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Speaker 1: Hello, My name is Jason and I'm Rosie Knight, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back.

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Speaker 2: The x Ray Vision of the podcast will be dive

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Speaker 2: you to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: Movies, comics to pop culture coming from her podcast will.

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Speaker 2: We're bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're going to start off by arguing

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Speaker 1: about what constitutes the science fiction movie and will that

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Speaker 1: take up most of the podcast potentially potentially because it's

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Speaker 1: been taking up most of our life in the group chat.

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Speaker 1: And then we will be presenting our faith.

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Speaker 3: Each of us will.

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Speaker 1: Present our five favorite science fiction movies, see if the

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Speaker 1: judging panel of our peers agrees with them, and then

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Speaker 1: you will all be able to vote on whom do

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Speaker 1: you think has the best five top science fiction films.

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Speaker 2: And the democracy will take place across multiple platforms, mail

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Speaker 2: in voting, DMS, post scored, wherever. However, you want to

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Speaker 2: reach out to us and tell us whose list of

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Speaker 2: five is the best, you go ahead and do that.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we are. We're about to put up our

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Speaker 2: x Ray Vision crew list of our favorite sci fi

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Speaker 2: movies that are not Star Wars. Oh yes, important, No,

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Speaker 2: Star Wars and no Star Wars, and we may exclude

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Speaker 2: other things. But first let's introduce the crew. It's me Jason,

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Speaker 2: it's you Rosie, of course, but let's welcome in the

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Speaker 2: Superducer team for today.

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Speaker 1: Joelle, how are you yo?

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Speaker 4: Devastated to learn that so many people don't know what's that.

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Speaker 1: Coming out?

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Speaker 2: I haven't even introduced everybody Else's no ability for everybody

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Speaker 2: else to retort. Super producer Aboo.

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Speaker 5: Welcome, great to be here. I'm personally devastated that Joel

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Speaker 2: But wait, okay, okay, hold on, please college calm down.

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Speaker 2: And finally, our final super producer, Carmen. Carmen welcome, thank you.

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Speaker 6: Hello. I am just here because I love to discourse,

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Speaker 6: so I cannot wait to discourse.

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Speaker 3: I came to be messy.

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Speaker 1: She's like, I can't. She's like, my android phone has

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Speaker 1: been messing up the iPhone group chat, and please let's

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Speaker 1: not get into that.

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Speaker 2: It is. I mean, there's a multiverse right now where

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Speaker 2: different versions of ourselves are taking place, are discoursing in

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Speaker 2: different group chats through time, and we don't even know

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Speaker 2: where they all are. It's like messages are only going

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Speaker 2: to like different people in the group chat at different

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Speaker 2: times in different places. Anyway, here's the question before us today,

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Speaker 2: what are the best? What are our personal best non

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Speaker 2: that question, let's first talk about what is sci fi?

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Speaker 2: I think we all have our own ideas about what

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court's definition of pornography from like thirty years ago, now.

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Speaker 1: It also feels like it's kind of a know it

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Speaker 1: when you see its situation.

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Speaker 2: Yea, and I think the borders of sci fi are,

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Speaker 2: definition whatever that is. So let's talk about it first.

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Speaker 1: What Joel, I.

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Speaker 2: Feel you like bucking in the in the pen ready

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Speaker 2: to be released?

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Speaker 1: We got it, we gotta we have. Because Joel doesn't

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Speaker 1: even think that Star Wars is a science fiction THEA,

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Speaker 1: let's start there, Joe, what is what is your definition

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Speaker 4: absolutely like have science in it. It's science fiction. It's

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Speaker 4: the whole points analyze science. Okay, And people are like,

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Speaker 4: you actually don't need science, which is bananas. Why even

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Speaker 3: Okay, it doesn't make sense to me. Star Wars is

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Speaker 4: You know, there are droids, which I might make an

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Speaker 3: We do have droids.

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Speaker 4: We have robots on planet Earth. But here's here's why

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Speaker 4: it makes a difference. Okay, here's why I don't count it.

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Speaker 4: we're not. We're like, droids are just there. They're so commonplace.

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Speaker 2: So let me just to just to clarify for the audience. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So that's your position, which, by the way, I'm respecting, right, No,

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Speaker 2: Can I can I as a pushback? As a slight pushback?

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Speaker 1: Aren't.

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Speaker 2: Hasn't this kind of market and efficiency been corrected by

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Speaker 3: Because hard sci fi is because.

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Speaker 2: Hard sci fi is more of the you know three

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Speaker 4: Sure, you know what's an actual scientific theory?

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Speaker 2: Rightly?

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Speaker 3: You know sci fi?

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Speaker 4: Right if Freakinsteign kicks off the genre that's not based

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Speaker 4: I really like that. I think for me that's what

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Speaker 2: Okay, does anybody have any drastically different definitions of sci fi?

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Speaker 1: For a control?

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Speaker 2: Well, I uh, I've said my piece. I will push

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think my definition of sci fi, rather than

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Speaker 5: Star Trek and it's like zap zapp lasers and space battles.

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Speaker 5: Both of those to me are equally science fiction because

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Speaker 2: Can I can I with a gentle pushback as well,

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Speaker 2: is name me any genre of storytelling that does not quote,

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Speaker 5: I don't think the main goal and the main message

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Speaker 2: Does anyone have any other meaningful critiques or things to

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Speaker 1: I will just say I do think that sci fi.

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Speaker 1: I am in the mindset of it being broader. Like

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Speaker 1: which is the first science fiction book. As much as

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Speaker 1: why don't you jump in with your nerdy fact that

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Speaker 1: You know, I would say, like, that's eighteen seventeen. In

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Speaker 2: I see I also have a I think a larger

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Speaker 2: it would be too destabilizing to the.

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to encounter in our discussions stories

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Speaker 2: And so is does anything else rise to that level

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Speaker 6: home theater demonstration, and it was the scene where they're

442
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 6: actually like generating Leelou's body and then putting like the

443
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 6: clothes on her, and I remember being I remember being

444
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 6: absolutely mesmerized by that, and I remember my dad being like,

445
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 6: we gotta go, we gotta go, and I'm like, no,

446
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 6: I'm watching this movie like this is cool. I love it. Actually, yeah,

447
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 6: it's like it's I rewatch it constantly because to me,

448
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 6: it's like the one of the gayest sci fi movies

449
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 6: that exists. Chris Tucker is amazing a Mealy, Bruce Willis

450
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 6: is at his peak of sexiness, costumes done by Jean

451
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 6: Paul Gautier, amazing McDonald's costumes by Jean Paul Gautier. Okay,

452
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 6: I'm there for it. And then the last thing that

453
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 6: I'm still obsessed with today from this movie is the

454
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Speaker 6: Chanelle branded I Makeup applicator where she puts it over

455
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 6: and it instantly gives her an I makeup. Like we're

456
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 6: still waiting for that in twenty twenty five.

457
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: That's technology that doesn't exist.

458
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Speaker 6: Yeah, next one is gonna be for me. You're gonna

459
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 6: notice a big theme on minus cyberpunk. Ghost in the

460
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 6: Shell love the original Ghost in the Show choice animated movie.

461
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 6: It inspired the Matrix if you don't know, And yeah,

462
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 6: it's it's one of these amazing stories of like transhumanism

463
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 6: and if all of my parts are replaced with robotic parts.

464
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 6: Am I human or am I a robot? Which is it?

465
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: You know?

466
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 6: And so it's a very very interesting question of what

467
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 6: makes someone a human and what makes somebody synthetic? And

468
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 6: I just love that theme. Next one for me is

469
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Speaker 6: one that I watched recently. This is nineteen ninety seven's Gatica.

470
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Speaker 1: There's a banga movie, I you really pay.

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Speaker 6: Gattica is a great one for me because aesthetically, I

472
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 6: love the way that it combines film noir aesthetics with

473
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 6: that kind of like sci fi aesthetic. And so I'm

474
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 6: really obsessed with the film nor aesthetic, which we see

475
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 6: in Blade Runner as well, and I love that that's

476
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 6: like just so throughout Gatika, the hair, the makeup, the styling,

477
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 6: the clothes. I don't the script doesn't even have to

478
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 6: be good for me, y'all. It could just be about

479
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 6: the aesthetics. Okay, okay. Next movie nineteen seventy four's or

480
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 6: two thousand and four's The Stepford Wives. I rewatched it

481
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 6: last night and I changed my mind. I'll tell you why.

482
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 6: It's kind of a boring movie and not a lot happens.

483
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 6: And then I realized, and then I realized, wait, Companion

484
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 6: is a movie that I saw earlier this year that

485
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 6: I'm absolutely obsessed with. And thematically they're not at all

486
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 6: about the same thing. They're obviously about two separate things,

487
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 6: but thematically, thematically, yeah, I think it touches on a

488
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 6: lot of the same issues of what it's like to

489
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 6: be a woman in a relationship that you feel powerless

490
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 6: in and you feel like a piece of property in,

491
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 6: you know. And so Companion is a great, I think

492
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 6: upgraded version of the Stepford Wives.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I also think you saved yourself

494
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Speaker 1: because Stepford Wives is definitely getting into that, like what

495
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: does it count? Like where which version of it? What's

496
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: the reveal at the end? Like you you depend on.

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Speaker 6: That right exactly, And it's it's such a slow burn too,

498
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 6: I'm like, damn.

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Speaker 1: Call Companion definitely a science fiction yes, so what is it?

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00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: So?

501
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: Is it so Stepford Wives? Is your is on your list?

502
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: It is?

503
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: Or Companion has taken its.

504
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 6: Companion has taken its place. But I wanted to tell

505
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 6: a little story, Okay, okay, okay. And then my last

506
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Speaker 6: one is of course the classic Blade Runner in nineteen

507
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 6: eighty two. I live that it combines the film noir

508
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 6: aesthetic with the cyberpunk aesthetic, which I think this is

509
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 6: probably one of the films that like really establishes the

510
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 6: cyberpunk I think.

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Speaker 2: You're I can feel the audience screaming, which cut Carmen,

512
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: which yeah, common.

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Speaker 6: Look, can I be honest with you all? When I

514
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Speaker 6: go to the movies, I am the I have the

515
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 6: propeller hat on, I have the big lollipop man. I've

516
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 6: just I love the movies.

517
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Speaker 2: I don't let me let me.

518
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Speaker 1: That has do you like compassion? That has the voiceover

519
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: or doesn't have the.

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Speaker 6: Voice no voiceover?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's at least.

522
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Speaker 2: Woman original director, original directors.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and I own that one, so yes, yes. And

524
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Speaker 6: that's my list.

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Speaker 1: Great, great list. Up next A boo, A boo? Your five?

526
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Speaker 5: Okay, my five? And this is in order. Starting out

527
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Speaker 5: one is Children of Men, followed by This is already controversial,

528
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Speaker 5: This has been blown up the group chat. Number two

529
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Speaker 5: is heard.

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Speaker 1: Been one of my favorite movies of all. Yes, mine too,

531
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Speaker 1: and I will be arguing in favor of a food.

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00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 5: Number two is her number three, District nine, number four Arrival,

533
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: and number five ppacific fucking spacific.

534
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: Rim some interesting things to talk about.

535
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Speaker 5: Considering discourse exactly, considering we divided kaiju into a different category.

536
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: But I will say though in Pacific rim they are

537
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: naturally occurring creatures that come through a portal. They do

538
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: not grow to a crazy size.

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Speaker 2: All save it for the discussion, but I agree this

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Speaker 2: is an important details. You know, I think all great

541
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Speaker 2: movies I'm eager to debate my list. Here is my list,

542
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: in no particular order. Edge of Tomorrow twenty fourteen, the

543
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise box office bomb that I think is one

544
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 2: of the modern day sci fi classics lived I repeat,

545
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 2: et cetera. One of the great groundhog day genre subgenre

546
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: movies based on a comic, The Eternal Sunshine of the

547
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: Spotless Mind two thousand and four.

548
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: Come on, it's such a beautiful girl. Will take away

549
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: credit from Garden State. I think to me, Garden State

550
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: really did it. I would get it in a way

551
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: that was that Eternal Sunshine cemented it as a as

552
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: a genre staple.

553
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: I think to me it Garden State, because of the

554
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: soundtrack track aspect, really put the manic pixie dream girl

555
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: center stage in pop culture because it like surrounded her

556
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: with this sound, with this uh suite of songs, that.

557
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I was. That was

558
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: in my iPod, iPod shuffle or iPod or whatever I

559
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: was using at the time.

560
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: Sorry.

561
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: So Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind. I just think

562
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful, incredibly beautiful, beautiful looking, beautifully shot movie.

563
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey, if you're ever like that, guy's not a

564
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: real actor. Eternal Shunshine, he goes the full, he gives

565
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: you everything in that film. Kate Winslet at him, unbelievable,

566
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: shocking chemistry.

567
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Speaker 1: It's just a good movie. Strange Days.

568
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: I think, here's my bubble pit, Here's the one that

569
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: I could feel people maybe trying to shoot down. I

570
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: think that this and Children of Men are two of

571
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: the most prophetic dystopia's, Like we live in Strange Days

572
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: now and Children of Men we will be there in

573
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Speaker 2: fifteen years. It feels like Strange Days.

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Speaker 1: Great movie.

575
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Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, I believe it's on Criterion

576
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: and you can probably watch it on Max or.

577
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: Something like that.

578
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: Also, Hot Hot Ray Fie, does everybody does anybody remember

579
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: pre Voldemort when Ray fines.

580
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: Angela, Yeah, it fine as hell.

581
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: That rembers.

582
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god, good god, really good movie. And it

583
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: gives you a version of Los Angeles that feels like

584
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: old and new. Aniara twenty eighteen. I saw this movie recently.

585
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 2: It's a Swedish film about You can watch it on Hulu,

586
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: and I recommend you do. The thing I love about

587
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: international sci fi, recent international sci fi is you know,

588
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 2: like we're so CGI dependent here with like Western big

589
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 2: budget movies that it can feel kind of lifeless. And

590
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: Aniara has there's a dramatic, like a human quality of

591
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: the kind of practical effects of like the more focused

592
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 2: utilization of the CGI they do have of there's a creativity,

593
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: like it's clearly shot in the mall.

594
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: It stands in for a.

595
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: Spaceship and it's about a journey to Mars that gets

596
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: rerooted because of space debris and the collapse of the

597
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: internal society over time of this spaceship. And it's really

598
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: dark and really scary, but also very human and.

599
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: It's good, it's worthwhile.

600
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: And then finally they live nineteen eighty eight, John Corp

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Speaker 2: That just just one of the great political sci fi thrillers,

602
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: with everything completely over the top. I think it you

603
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: could convince me that this is John Carpenter's masterpiece.

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Speaker 1: I think people are. I think people are having that

605
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: conversation now, especially because this is an extreme, extremely influential movie.

606
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: I yes, up next, Rosie, It's me.

607
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: This is very hard. I love lots of movies in

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00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: this genre, but I am going to say number one

609
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: pick is a Kira. I think that's one of the

610
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: best movies ever made, obviously one of the best animated

611
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: movies ever made, very defiantly about the strange world of

612
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of experiments and esp It could also be argued,

613
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: I am aware of this that is more of like

614
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: a supernatural movie if you really dig into it. But

615
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: I think with like the visuals of Neo Tokyo and

616
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: the kind of way that a Tomo perceives the future,

617
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: I think is I think it fits. Also, I will

618
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: say my second pick is of two Jehoven movies on

619
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: here at Starship Troopers. I think that's like a really

620
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: fast ready to do my part. I'm ready to do

621
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: my part, and I will say, who knows, maybe somebody

622
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: will argue that akin to Black Mirror, this is actually

623
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: very much in the space of like a satire more

624
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: than a side. I think that monster is monster. I

625
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: think it's sci fi in its establishing tropes, trappings and

626
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: story that it tells with the satire on side. Our

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00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: third pick is my second Verhoven movie. I could have put,

628
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: honestly done like five Viehoven science fiction films, but this

629
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: is RoboCop. I think it is a masterpiece. I think

630
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: it's a sci fi masterpiece. I also think it's very

631
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: prescient and scary and all that kind of stuff. My

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00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: next pick is the far more family friendly but still

633
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: ultimately terrifying Jurassic Park, one of the greatest science fiction

634
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: books and movies ever made. Is it more of a

635
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: monster movie? Let's argue about it in a minut And

636
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: then my last pick is the really, really weird and

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00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: haunting High Life from twenty eighteen, directed by Claire Denis,

638
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: who I love, stars Robert Pattinson and Julia Binochet. I

639
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: was originally going to include her movie from two thousand

640
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: and one, which is called Trouble every Day, which is

641
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: about to be showing at Bleak Week in la and

642
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: it is so horrible and scary and part of the

643
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: French New Extremity. It really launched the French New Extremity movement,

644
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: though she didn't get any credit for it, but I

645
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: decided that was like much more in the horror vein,

646
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: even though it does have a lot of the conversation

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Speaker 1: kind of points that we said about starting a horror

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00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean starting as about science that we don't have

649
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: and experimentation. But yeah, I'm going for High Life because

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00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: it is set on a spaceship. It's about space colonies

651
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: and space prisons and the way that people are exploited

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00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: in prison and in kind of capitalist society. So I

653
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Speaker 1: think that works. I also have five alts for whenever

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Speaker 1: you guys are trying to take my off the list,

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Speaker 1: and then finally Joelle.

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Speaker 4: All right, here we go by first one is the

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Speaker 4: day that Erst is still the nineteen fifty one edition, not.

658
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 3: The two thousand. With love and respect to Keanu.

659
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: No.

660
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: I mean, if you haven't seen the film, it's genuinely

661
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 4: a masterpiece, but it's it's an exploration of like, when

662
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 4: humans feel threatened, what is our reaction? And it's mostly

663
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: violent and it's pretty horrible.

664
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

665
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: To the Fly one of the most Disma original.

666
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: Wait wait wait wait, I remake I remake sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,

667
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 4: Jeff Goldbloom, Jeff gold Bloom. One really works for me

668
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 4: because Juloom is unbelievably hot in that movie, but also

669
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 4: the bodygore transformation. I think we live in a world

670
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 4: really obsessed with plastic surgery right now. And if you

671
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 4: watch The Fly and this like like incredible push to

672
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: just constantly be altering and changing and advancing, and then

673
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 4: the like complete falling apart of it, Like I just

674
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: I really really love The Fly. I went back and

675
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: forth on my time table movies guys. Originally I was like,

676
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 4: Back to the Future, it's epic, and then Aaron said,

677
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 4: I can't believe nobody has said everything everywhere all at once,

678
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, pause. And I think because time

679
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 4: travel is more essential to everything everywhere all at once

680
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 4: in that there's a constant use of it and a

681
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 4: flux and a twist, where as opposed to, you know,

682
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 4: in Back to the Future, it's a it's a direct thing.

683
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: You go there, you got this car, you come back.

684
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: Yes, if he doesn't. If he doesn't go there, he's

685
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: going to not exist. So I would say it is

686
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: quite important.

687
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: Also, we know all the history of popular culture is okay.

688
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: This white boy just store black history.

689
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: I could come on, never have had the idea it's

690
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: not for Marty Fly.

691
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think you know everything everywhere all at once.

692
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: Just a good point. Then I was gonna selling harm

693
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: in this morning.

694
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I had Smart House on the

695
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 4: list because Guys as a child more game changing than

696
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 4: Smart House.

697
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: Watch it's such a good movie.

698
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: But then I was thinking about, okay, well, this is

699
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 4: my kid's movie sort of on my list. Is there

700
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: some a movie that does it better? And The Iron

701
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 4: Giants like one of my favorite films.

702
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: Of all time.

703
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 4: We do not have this technology, and the exploration of

704
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 4: like what is a gun.

705
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: O my heart?

706
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: I do not have an Iron Giant?

707
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: We could use one? We could use one.

708
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: And finally Alien for I think reasons I should be obvious,

709
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 4: but could technically be voted out.

710
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: We'll see.

711
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is a fan whatever happens after

712
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: the ad break, let's just acknowledge this is a fantastic Yeah.

713
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: Good for us.

714
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: If you are gonna go out and watch some sci

715
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: fi movies, you're gonna be pleasantly surprised to find an

716
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: fae from this list. No question, like whatever else happens

717
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: after the break, whether we are still a pulcast after that,

718
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: whether we still are friends, after that. Just remember, guys,

719
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: we put together an incredible list.

720
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: The knives are coming out, accrat and we are back. Okay,

721
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: so should we go? Let's go in reverse order with

722
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: peopless films to vote out films. So we'll start with

723
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: Joelle's film Bring It, and here I will repeat the

724
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: list again today. The Earth should Still nineteen fifty one,

725
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: a true classic, The Cronenberg, The Flyes, starring Jeff Goldbloom

726
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: and Geena Davis looking super hot, both of them. Uh,

727
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: everything everywhere, all at once. The Daniels Kaye Kwon. I

728
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: mean what is to be has not be, said Michelle Yo.

729
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: The Iron Giant, A heart and actually a movie that's

730
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: so good that I don't rewatch it because it makes

731
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: me feel too feelings that are too deep and alien.

732
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: Just one of the great, one of the great films.

733
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: Okay.

734
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: Does anybody have any uh pressing criticisms or issues to

735
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: raise with the list?

736
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: If not, I will start, he said. Guess what I do?

737
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: I do have one, I think, and I'm happy to

738
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna get voted out, but I want

739
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 2: to raise this. I think Animated is its own thing.

740
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 2: I think Animated is its own an can't be I'm

741
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: not saying it. I'm not saying it can't be sci fi,

742
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: but I'm saying the surreality and pure imaginative nature of

743
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: animated like Superhero is a super container for genres. It's

744
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: not that it's not sci fi. It's not that it's

745
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: not fantasy. It's not that it's not a family drama.

746
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: It's that because it's not based in material objects that

747
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: are filmed, it is a pure imagination space that can

748
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 2: be all of those things. And therefore I am voting

749
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: to exclude.

750
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: I may be.

751
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: Voted down because of the lists that are out there,

752
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: but I just wanted to raise he said, I.

753
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: The Spielberg film. You remember The Battle of Leader? Or

754
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 4: do we consider this film sci fi or not? Based

755
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: off of your animation?

756
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: Anim but it.

757
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 4: Is not fully captured either, and the scope of limitation

758
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: is about the same as well.

759
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: Guys, I'm going to tell you the issue here. The

760
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: real issue is that we are no longer talking about though.

761
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: I do believe that if we had laid this out before,

762
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: we could have separated animation potentially, but that is a

763
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: format issue that is like a medium, it's not a

764
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: genre issue. So I don't think we can take things

765
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: out just as like we couldn't take out other live

766
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: action movies because there like, I just don't think I

767
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: think it's a format issue. A boo. I saw that

768
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: you had some thoughts.

769
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 5: I agree entirely. I don't think we can entire storytelling.

770
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 5: Animation is a medium. Superhero films are not a different,

771
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 5: entirely different medium.

772
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: Jesus right, But I love but we all love our pixels.

773
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: Okay, selective hearing is wild.

774
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 4: I feel I feel like Rosie has a great point.

775
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: I agree with.

776
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: It's a medium in this well, I agree that it

777
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: is a kind of storytelling, but I think the medium

778
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: is still film, is it not? So? I I kind

779
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: of feel like the medium is still film, but the

780
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: style of storytelling is animated. And I take Joel's point

781
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: that there certain stories lean on animation to a lesser

782
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: and fuller degree. But I do think fully animated films

783
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: now you know, now we're going to talk about motion

784
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: cap and what about what if? What if the characters

785
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: are motion caps? But I still fully animated films. Well,

786
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: I think we did for but I think that fully

787
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: animated films personally, I feel like should be excluded are

788
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: its own thing, and we should have our own list

789
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: of those films.

790
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: But I know I'm going to vote.

791
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: With hands yes, sure the eyes the eyes animated are

792
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: voting no.

793
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: The the animation is in.

794
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: Okay, animation is in. I raise your hands like animation is.

795
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: So that's three. Animation is out.

796
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 7: Four to one.

797
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm voted down. Okay, So animation I will bring I

798
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: will bring up the issue an issue that I think

799
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: we could talk about. The Fly is undoubtedly a science

800
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: fiction movie. But is it also is it like nowadays

801
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, is it also to perceived as

802
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: a horror movie? Like are we? Are we giving? Where

803
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: do we put the lines on that? Because like the

804
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: Fly is a fact, it is a science fiction movie

805
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: about well if you could, uh like meld the man

806
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: with a fly? First of all, why would you do that?

807
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: So now we don't have the technology. But like I

808
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: also do wonder if like is it is it like

809
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: too horror or are we I guess alien is also

810
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: horror sipers, So I guess the question is how subgenrely

811
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: are we getting in?

812
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 5: But you could see a world in which it would

813
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 5: be billed as a horror movie. First, you know, like

814
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 5: the and it was marketed that way.

815
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: Is genre horror or is it sci fi?

816
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 6: No, he didn't try to turn himself into a fly.

817
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 6: It was an accident.

818
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: It was an accident. He was trying to teleport himself success,

819
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: but he did turn into a fly.

820
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And basically I'm.

821
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: Hearing that despite Joelle's controversial ideas of what Star Wars

822
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: is or is not, whether it does fit into the

823
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: sci fi genre, I'm hearing that her pigs are actually

824
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: quite uncontroversial. Well, well, I would say that I have

825
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: another tells. Yeah.

826
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 5: Look, I don't even know if I entirely believe that

827
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 5: I have thought out loud, if when I think of

828
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 5: everything everywhere, all at once, I don't think my first

829
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 5: thought is not sci fi. I was about to say,

830
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 5: you know, I understand that it's a parallel timeline story.

831
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 5: There's time travel to some extent multiverse, like yeah, multiverses

832
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: at its core, those are all sci fi elements. But

833
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 5: for some intangible reason, I do not think of that

834
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 5: as a sci fi film.

835
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 2: It feels, well, can I try to Can I try

836
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: to clarify because a boo, I have the same feeling.

837
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: Although again, I'm happy to be voted down. Here is

838
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: my feeling with everything everywhere all at once, I think

839
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: I think the version of time travel that is being

840
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: displayed in this movie is essentially like a higher understanding

841
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: of the natural world and less using science to access

842
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 2: the time stream. It's like, hey, nature and the quantum

843
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: realm give rise to this kind of thing that's happening

844
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: independently of our story, and our characters kind of get

845
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: sucked into it. There's very little like Okay, although I

846
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: will I will eat hold on. I do agree that

847
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: characters build technology to access the multiverse. But that's why

848
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to ancillary to the kind of existence of

849
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: the multiverse.

850
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: To me, it's on the bubble.

851
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm happy to have it, but I have the same

852
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: kind of reservations that a Boo has. Carmen, I see

853
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 2: you the fingers up the nails, the clause.

854
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 6: I'm well, I'm just I'm thinking about other things on

855
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 6: the list, and I'm thinking if we don't consider Everything

856
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 6: Everywhere All at Once a sci fi for the fact

857
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 6: that they are using a higher consciousness to access time travel,

858
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 6: then Arrival would also fall under that same category.

859
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: When well, well, let's stick to let's stay we I

860
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: don't disagree, but let's let's stick to the list. Let's

861
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: take the vote on everything, everywhere, all at once. Let's

862
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: take a vote on everything everywhere, all at once. The

863
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 2: yes is it is sci fi. Let's see the show

864
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: of hands. Two, let's see the show of hands.

865
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: It is not sci fi. I think I.

866
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: Might not have spoken up and the bravery of that man,

867
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: so we're gonna have to go to an alt But

868
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: let's let's go through the rest of the list.

869
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: I now, I just want to raise this issue.

870
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: I think I don't subscribe personally to Joel's I think

871
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: a little too targeted definition of sci fi.

872
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: But I have to.

873
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: Wonder if the films on Joel's list actually rise to

874
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: Joel's definition of sci fi. Alien for Existence, for instance,

875
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: I agree that there's a science officer and there's an AI,

876
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: and there's a discussion of like stuff mining and geology,

877
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: but it's.

878
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: Also like not super explored. I don't know. And I

879
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: think you could say the same of.

880
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: The Iron Giant, which is like they never talk about

881
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: what the giant can do. In fact, like explicitly the

882
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: technology behind the Giant is just kind of like mysterious

883
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: and just almost disx machina. Do you have any I

884
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: sense you having a retort? Joel, what is your retort

885
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: to that?

886
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 4: Okay, so for alien to start there, because your big

887
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 4: bad is ultimately a deceiving droid who is so human

888
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 4: they don't even know. And then the mother of sist,

889
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 4: like the plot is you've been set up to die,

890
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 4: so you could worth alien here.

891
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 3: That to me is what makes it sci fi.

892
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: I would agree that if it was more alien, we

893
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 4: could be more creature focused, but aliens sort of like

894
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: almost like you know, also lured into this trout like

895
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 4: also a victim on some level, and so that's why

896
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 4: I classify that sci fi. Now for Okay, Iron Giant,

897
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 4: I hear your argument. I think for me, what makes

898
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 4: it sci fice? And maybe this is getting too niche,

899
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 4: but like it's set in the fifties, so like this

900
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 4: robot is like already like sort of like this way

901
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 4: futuristic appeal to this character, and so he doesn't really

902
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 4: need to understand the science because the whole point is

903
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 4: like could science create something that then is like so horrific?

904
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 4: The device itself is like I'm not interested in being

905
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 4: what you've programmed me to be and that to me

906
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: is what makes it science fiction. It's like this again,

907
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 4: a human reacting to the technology and then the technology

908
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 4: reacting back.

909
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: Like that's peak science fiction.

910
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: I would I would also say, I do think I

911
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: don't fully buy it, but I'm excited.

912
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 7: I am also saying, guys, this is this is the

913
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 7: cause of what we have, what we have tried to

914
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 7: sell out here is you start laying out boundaries outside

915
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 7: of just like vibes, because then you're like, well, the

916
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 7: day the US, that's still like, I mean, yeah.

917
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: Obviously it is a science fiction because there's like an alien,

918
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: But then you're like, so does any movie with an

919
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: alien count as science fiction?

920
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: So let's just murte on the let's just moan on

921
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: these alien. Yes, it's sci fi science fiction.

922
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, I was the only one who said,

923
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: let's hear the dissenting opinion. What do you say, No,

924
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: it's not.

925
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, you were just lacking. Sorry, So alien is

926
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 2: unanimous sci fi? The Fly sci fi? Yes, I think unanimous,

927
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 2: The Daily still sci fi.

928
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sci fi. The Iron Giant there is no

929
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: double jeopardy.

930
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: But who agrees with me that the Iron Giant does

931
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 2: not rise to Joel's definition. Rise to Joel's definition Joel,

932
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: Joel is already in.

933
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 8: Guys, I'm I'm proposing because of how in depth this is,

934
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 8: and because we could obviously talk about it, so they

935
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 8: how about instead of proposing alts for the five, the

936
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 8: final list that we recommend is just all the stuff

937
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 8: that didn't get strike sure.

938
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: I like that.

939
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: I like that we can certainly the the altar are

940
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: gonna get heavily talk. Okay, next up Rosie's films.

941
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: RoboCop, Jurassic Park, Highlight.

942
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: Does anybody have any outstanding issues with any of these films?

943
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: We could start there before we start votes.

944
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: Perfect I'll raise the bubble. I think it's on the bubble.

945
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park? Is it not monster? I understand those genetic engineering,

946
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: but is it? But is it primarily monster? I also, well,

947
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to do this of my own thing,

948
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: But I also do think you raised an interesting point

949
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: about like the notion of like effects and animation, because honestly,

950
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: is Jurassic Park not in hindsight more of like an

951
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: unbelievable step forward in special effects making it a special

952
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: effects monster movie. I could agree, but I think I'm

953
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: gonna make the argument because I did pick this. The

954
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: science of Jurassic Park is such a huge part of it,

955
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: but there are literally when you go to Universal Studios,

956
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: they have toys of the like you can buy you

957
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: and buy stuff. It's so much a part of it

958
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: that we all understand. We even know the lore of it,

959
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: which is that the reason that they couldn't control it

960
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: and life would find a way is because they used

961
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: a frog that could change its gender, which allowed the animals.

962
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's so much a part of

963
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: it that we almost might forget it. But I do

964
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: think that discussion.

965
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 5: Is that I think Jura part films lean more monster film,

966
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 5: but the first I agree with enough.

967
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: Science, I tend to agree to it. So we don't

968
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: seem to mind that the science takes place in the

969
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: first fifteen minutes of the movie and eighty five percent

970
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: of the rest of the movie is a monster run.

971
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: If they did do science, that they didn't do science,

972
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: the monsters would not exist. I tend to agree with you.

973
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: I just think we need to be rigorous. Okay, any

974
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: other outstanding issues that anybody has with this list? A

975
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: cure Starship Trooper Robochopterissic Park, High Life.

976
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 5: I mean, if we're gonna talk about animation, I've already.

977
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: Raised my issues.

978
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: I feel like I said my piece.

979
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: I got shot.

980
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 6: I think it's so multi genre that it's hard to

981
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 6: pin down. You know what I mean. It's it's definitely

982
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 6: got the sci fi elements.

983
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: I do think that that is the case. That was

984
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: my issue with everything everywhere once, So I will hate you.

985
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm also just gonna warn you comment and you know

986
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: I love I'm gonna warn you this, this very argument

987
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: could potentially be an issue for one of your picks.

988
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: They're very still.

989
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 6: Hold on, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say. The thing

990
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 6: that goes through my mind and a Kira that doesn't

991
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 6: that that army kind of like sets is that the

992
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 6: supernatural children like that whole Like that's true?

993
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: Can I And I feel like I don't want to

994
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: feel like a broken record, but I want to ask,

995
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: just ask the question. Is it not more of a

996
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: kind of superhero story in that it is both animated

997
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: and a mashup of multiple genres. I agree that there's

998
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: a sci fi element, but like like the Iron Giant,

999
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: which is in there, I also feel like along with

1000
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: the genre mash, along with the issues that animated that

1001
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: I'm the only one that cares about if there's also

1002
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: the ancillary issue that it does not rise to the

1003
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: Joel definition of sci fi.

1004
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true, and so there's that. Sorry, any other?

1005
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 5: Is the sci fi aesthetic and backdrop of Neo Tokyo

1006
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 5: enough to call the whole movie side.

1007
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: From dramatic great points?

1008
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're So let's take a vote.

1009
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: Let's let's vote on the list. Let's we'll start with

1010
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: a curra.

1011
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: A curra. It is sci fi hands.

1012
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 9: O curra is not sci fi hands for one, it's

1013
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 9: not sci fi Oh my god.

1014
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: Struck out.

1015
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: Starship Troopers.

1016
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: It is sci fi show of hands.

1017
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: Yes, he.

1018
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: It is sci fi show of hands. Yes, okay, good.

1019
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: The Jurassic Park it is sci fi show of hands.

1020
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 2: All of us unanimous, despite the significant issues.

1021
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: With the balance. Thank you, high life.

1022
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: It is this, shouts declared, she's amazing.

1023
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: It is sci fi show of hands.

1024
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: Five to one.

1025
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: Okay, your vault, what are you gonna put in there?

1026
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: As the alt seeing as I feel like this is

1027
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that is least controversial as we've

1028
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: already essentially we have already essentially agreed that this does

1029
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: count as science fiction and not a monster movie because

1030
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: they're getting very, very small. I am alting with the

1031
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: classic Inner Space about a man who gets shrunk so

1032
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: tiny and then injected into another man in the mall.

1033
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I fucking love this movie as

1034
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: a kid like I just think it's a really fun

1035
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: kind of family throwback movie. Yeah, and bait and it is,

1036
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: like I will say, the one thing I will say,

1037
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: definitely in the comedy space, but we spend a lot

1038
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: of time both inside of somebody's human body in a

1039
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: little capsure ship, and then there is kind of a

1040
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: more broad action comedy experience going on outside.

1041
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 2: But I will bring that in as I think it's

1042
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: gonna win. I think that's a unanimous it's science fiction.

1043
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: I think we all agree with that. That is x

1044
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: ray vision, x ray Vision's law. Shrink is science fiction.

1045
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: Grow is miss.

1046
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: That's gonna really start some conversations. Okay, let's go to

1047
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: a quick break and then we'll be back with more.

1048
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: And we're at okay. Next up is my list Edge

1049
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: of Tomorrow.

1050
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: Eternal Sunshine is spotless sign Strange Days, Aniara, they live.

1051
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: Anybody have any issues with my list? Okay, and I

1052
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: can see I'm gonna I'm gonna bubble issues.

1053
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for them. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna put something

1054
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: out there, Shine of Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Okay,

1055
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: it is based on a technology, as Joelle was saying,

1056
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: but if Akira is essentially like, it's got the aesthetics

1057
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: of a side but is not a sci fi is

1058
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: a title Sunshine and Spotless Mine a movie by one

1059
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: of my favorite directors, by the way, which I do love,

1060
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: but like, is it sci fi enough? Or is it

1061
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: like an indie kind of drama with the sci fi element? Interesting?

1062
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: This is going to bring up her issues, I can see,

1063
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: But the rest is effectively I will. I see your point,

1064
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: And I was, and I was anticipating this. I think

1065
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to raise the Jurassic.

1066
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: As soon as I said it, as I said, it

1067
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: was like sh.

1068
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 2: And say that that because everything happens because of the

1069
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: mind to race Son, it's true, therefore it's sci fi correct.

1070
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: But I'm any other issues with this, I'll raise so

1071
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 2: to me, Strange Days has a little bit of the

1072
01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: same issue. It's essentially a very very immersive arc technology,

1073
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: and with the kind of all future take I could

1074
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: see it being on the bubble. I just want to

1075
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: raise the issue with it.

1076
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: I think. I think the thing about Strange Days is

1077
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: that falls into almost.

1078
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 10: Your Akira Blade Runner issue, which is like, is it

1079
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 10: is the esthetic and the vibe and the vision enough.

1080
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: Is it more of a post apocalyptic movie? Is it

1081
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: more of a sci fi movie? I love this movie.

1082
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: I would actually come down on the side that it

1083
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: fits within the general parameters, though I don't necessarily know

1084
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: if we have, like off the top of my head,

1085
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: a very incisive conversation about the technology as it exists.

1086
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: But I do think generally I would like it to

1087
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: be on the list because I think it's a really

1088
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: great movie and for a long time was not available

1089
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: for people to watch, So I do think it fits in.

1090
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 1: I think the number one to me for the way

1091
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: we're doing the list, I think the absolute safe one

1092
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: on your list is Ani first of all, because I

1093
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: think that's like a heart I love that movie. I

1094
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: think it's a direct science fiction film A lot of

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01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: times actually the notion of a low budget sci fi

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01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: It's why I picked high life. They often feel a

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01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: lot more like the science fiction we grew up with,

1098
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: and like this very physical, touchable sci fi. I would say,

1099
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: I do think there is an element. I'm not gonna lie.

1100
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: As much as I do love this movie, I think

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I have watched the fucking Jijak like They

1102
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: Live breakdown of the trash fight like five hundred thousand times.

1103
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: You know the aliens, you know the they common state

1104
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: they are are politicians with the new liberal politicians.

1105
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the technology of the glasses in They

1106
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: Live is very fucking bad. Like you put them on,

1107
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of magic.

1108
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 6: You put them on, you can see them.

1109
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: And then like they don't really talk. Then the it's

1110
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: kind of more of like a conspiracy thriller. So I

1111
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: would say, but aliens. It does have aliens aliens, but

1112
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: is aliens enough for it to be a sci fi movie.

1113
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: Isn't technology so advanced that you don't understand it essentially magic?

1114
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: Well guess what that is? Exactly? Yes, Also, I mean

1115
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna lie. That is basically like

1116
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: the biggest argument about all sci fi. So yes, very good,

1117
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: you know me.

1118
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 3: I treat features.

1119
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: Features in that case, Man, I gotta tell you something.

1120
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: You bet you lucky that the day the up stand

1121
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: still because that's a Preacher features alien.

1122
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: Let's vote. Let's vote, okay. At Edge of Tomorrow it

1123
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 2: is sci fi.

1124
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's a time lisk, but it's sci fi.

1125
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, it is sci fi.

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01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1127
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 2: The Jurassic corollary gets it in there straight days. It

1128
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: is a sci fi show of hands yep, okay, five Aniara,

1129
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: it is a sci fi.

1130
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: They're all going through that.

1131
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 2: Here is the bubble one they live. Is it a

1132
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: sci fi?

1133
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: It's not a sci fi? Four to one? Hold on what?

1134
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 3: Okay?

1135
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: So let's hear it though. What is not a sci fi?

1136
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: I can see if you want to tell me, like,

1137
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: it's a political thriller with sci fi compiracy thriller festival.

1138
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 6: Where does he gets the glass movie?

1139
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: It's also a horror movie. He finds the glasses just

1140
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: in a ball, and I look.

1141
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 6: I need them to come from.

1142
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: I mean the science of broadcast communications and the electro magnetic.

1143
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: List of I no, the hacker takes over the TV,

1144
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: but I'm sorry, both of those technologies do exist, and

1145
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: I would say the book it does just like it's

1146
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: just like crash Box.

1147
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 2: I want to just point out that one of the

1148
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 2: things we did establish with the Iron Giant is as

1149
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 2: long as the science was futuristic for the period, that

1150
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: is true.

1151
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: But but but somebody taking open like a somebody being

1152
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 1: a hacker in the late eighties that existed in the termina.

1153
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm willing to again, I I I get it. I'm

1154
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: willing to. Okay, So we voted it's out?

1155
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it out?

1156
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: I think it's out.

1157
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 2: Okay, So then I'm going to gosh, let's I'm gonna

1158
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 2: look at my I do, but but I can see

1159
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 2: I can see some uh some holes in some of

1160
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: them despite them being great.

1161
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: Okay, what about this, I'm gonna go with I know

1162
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: what should goodness, you don't know you're gonna go with.

1163
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with nineteen eighty five Enemy Mind, And

1164
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: then I know it as a sci fi movie, guys,

1165
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: I just know he loves this movie.

1166
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: It's it's so I do love this movie. Dennis Quaid

1167
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: and Lewis Gossip Junior are are a human and alien, respectively,

1168
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 2: on two sides of a galactic war. They get maroon

1169
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 2: together on an icy planet, and they have to bridge

1170
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 2: their differences. Dennis Quaid also in Innerspace, what a sci

1171
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: fi career he had in the Ees. Let's take the

1172
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 2: vote on it, Enemy mind.

1173
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: Is it a sci fi? Yes?

1174
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 4: Sorry, I haven't seen these, so I just want to

1175
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 4: just want to clarify one point. So he's a space

1176
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 4: traveler who runs into an alien.

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01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's a there's a galactic war going

1178
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,440
Speaker 2: on and he they are both starship pilots on opposite

1179
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 2: sides of war, and they're right, and they they crash

1180
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: on an icy planet. And uh, I should say that

1181
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 2: the plot hinges significantly on the alien biology of of

1182
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: Jeribah Lewis Gossa Jr. And the fact that the males

1183
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: of the species, in their of their race give birth,

1184
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: and so Lewis gossip Junior gives birth to Zamus, and uh,

1185
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 2: Dennis Quaid's characters feelings of warmth and a fatherly love

1186
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 2: for this child is part of what brings peace to

1187
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: these two warring nations.

1188
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 4: I gotta say, it's giving me a little children of

1189
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 4: men where it's like, okay, where is this scientist someone.

1190
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 1: Right now? And then there's and then there's the science.

1191
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: Where's the science of like an alien species giving birth?

1192
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: And how they definitely humans.

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01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 3: Delivering the baby?

1194
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: Are they?

1195
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 3: Dennis Quick? That helps?

1196
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: Louisconsin Junior is like, you need to help me give

1197
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: birth to this child. I'm going to talk you through crazy.

1198
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 3: Okay, we can't.

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01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 2: Beautiful and forgotten film it.

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01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: Is, but not forgotten on X ray vision, not a

1201
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: Let's hold her vote? Is it sci fi?

1202
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm gonna give this okay.

1203
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: Oh Joelle, you never actually voted in an all after

1204
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: you lost everything everywhere. We'll come home. Up next to

1205
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: boot film.

1206
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: Children Children of Men Her District nine Arrival Pacific rim

1207
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: any outstanding issues from the group for a Boo's List, Joel,

1208
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 2: I see Carmen, excuse me, I see the I see

1209
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: the nail up.

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01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 6: A cool claw. So Children of Men I was definitely

1211
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 6: on the fence about because I kept saying in the

1212
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 6: group chat, I'm like, it's just a dystopian probable future,

1213
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 6: possible future. There's no future tech in it. Now A

1214
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 6: Boo has very cleverly, very very cleverly, It's included a

1215
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 6: screenshot here that is what is this?

1216
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: It's a at best minor plot. This is the son

1217
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: of a This is the son of a of a

1218
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 2: character who's playing like a Tetris style video game on it.

1219
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 2: They never discuss it, and it has nothing to do.

1220
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 6: With the.

1221
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 5: This show came out in two thousand and six, which

1222
01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 5: is before the iPhone, and we're seeing like touch interface

1223
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 5: in the screenshot.

1224
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: So by the rules I does that's fair. I also

1225
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 1: just have to say, guys, sorry to get bleak, but

1226
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something that exists in this movie that

1227
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: doesn't currently exist but could soon exist. I mean, there

1228
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: is like an entire economic, uh kind of landscape in

1229
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: this movie that A big part of it is that

1230
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: they have like special pills and then areas where old

1231
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: people can go and kill themselves. But it's not like

1232
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: your traditional suicide like we have seen. It's this like

1233
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: mass version of it where it's also like essentially mandatory.

1234
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: I think that that is a technology that we don't

1235
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: currently have, thank god. And I will also say I

1236
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: just I do for me. Children of Men is a

1237
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: science fiction because it also is based on the notion

1238
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: without this nothing would happen. That there is like a

1239
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: human evolutionary change, and the evolution very changes that nobody

1240
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: can give birth anymore?

1241
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 8: Right?

1242
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: That is interesting to me. That is a science fiction hypothetical,

1243
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: even though it's not about creating a technology, it is

1244
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 1: about the science of human beings and how we evolve

1245
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: and how we.

1246
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 2: Like special point of it. I'm going to here's my

1247
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 2: issues with it again.

1248
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: I love this film.

1249
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 2: One throw out the game console. You've got much stronger

1250
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 2: arguments than that, because it really does not impact this wave.

1251
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 2: I think, to me, is this not more of a

1252
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 2: this is a story about public health and societal collapse?

1253
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: And I agree with you that is it an evolutionary change?

1254
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 2: Is it a public health issue? I think we've all

1255
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 2: lived through an event that feels broadly like Children of

1256
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: Men that in ways that feel that feel very now

1257
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:07,759
Speaker 2: true to life. Would I would argue that this falls

1258
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 2: under the I would argue that is this not a dystopia,

1259
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: which are not necessarily sci fi?

1260
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: Right?

1261
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 2: This is more of a collapse of society story less

1262
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: a science fiction story.

1263
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: Those are the issues I have with it.

1264
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,919
Speaker 2: Does anybody else have anything else about that or anything else.

1265
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: Well on the list?

1266
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 6: Or should we just I would say to just kind

1267
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 6: of I guess okay, I said this in the group chat,

1268
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 6: but if if Children of Men is considered a sci

1269
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 6: fi and we have like maybe one example of future

1270
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 6: tech in it, would we consider The Handmaid's Tale a

1271
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 6: sci fi if it had future tech in it?

1272
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: No?

1273
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's aciehy, Yeah it's not. I

1274
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 1: do think the delineation here between dystopia and sci fi

1275
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: is blurry, And so I can understand how this is

1276
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,799
Speaker 1: a controversial one. I'm believe them.

1277
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: Mount amount of has been going games not a sci fi?

1278
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 6: Right?

1279
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: WHOA is a sci fi? S Okay?

1280
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 5: Sorry you guys, I think you were just saying, to

1281
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 5: Rosie's point, if we're going to start splitting hairs between

1282
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 5: what is dystopian, what is post apocalyptic, what is not?

1283
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 5: I suppose that while we're here, but we risk a

1284
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 5: slippery slope.

1285
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1286
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 5: I think we've already slipped very far down the slope

1287
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 5: by knocking Akira off of the list, honestly, But if

1288
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 5: we continue.

1289
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: Down this, which which you have.

1290
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 5: Later, I'm utterly regretting my choice because it throws most

1291
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 5: of my listed Like the way as well, if if

1292
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 5: we knock off Children of Men, you could argue, like

1293
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 5: iconic sci fi films snow Piercer Fahrenheit four fifty one,

1294
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 5: The road like these are these could all also just.

1295
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: The roads the road vote pier.

1296
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 3: Not being uh.

1297
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 2: That yeah, the children a train is like nineteenth century.

1298
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 11: Never say that Snip has an infinite engine that does

1299
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 11: not exist.

1300
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 2: Let's just say, well, let's not it's not on the list,

1301
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 2: so let's not get into snow here, sir. Let's not

1302
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 2: get diverted snow here, sir. Okay, films on the list

1303
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 2: that we I'm going to raise a couple. I lean

1304
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: that her is included, but I but I just want

1305
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 2: to raise it like we're it's basically relating problem of

1306
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: phones like that, it's here. This is technology people are

1307
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 2: falling in love with as right now.

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01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like till till this year, I

1309
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: would have been like, yeah, huh, great indie sci fi pick.

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: But I will say I have seen many screen grabs,

1311
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 1: many men who are like falling in love with AI.

1312
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 1: I also have many close friends who play the hilarious

1313
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: game Love and Deep Space, which is essentially about having

1314
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 1: a sexy AI boyfriend. And there are people who are

1315
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: just having chat GTP be their real life girlfriend. Now,

1316
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: so I don't know we have to basically, yea changed

1317
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 1: we a like a are we at like a weird

1318
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: transition point when stuff that we are experiencing we have

1319
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: to accept is still in a science fiction.

1320
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 4: Change just because time has passed and and and that's

1321
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 4: an interesting question because I know that does happen if

1322
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 4: you live, we might what was once considered comedy might

1323
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 4: now be a drama because of how these situations.

1324
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 3: Sure, but I do think that it's it's strange.

1325
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 4: To say, like, just because the technology is caught up

1326
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 4: to where we were at that it no longer qualifies.

1327
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 1: I think it's the technology.

1328
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 2: I do you think it's a bubble question? And then

1329
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 2: finally I gotta say, I Pacific rim feels more. I mean,

1330
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 2: there's a there's a portal under the sea, and the monsters.

1331
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 1: Come out of it, and I think that how.

1332
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 3: It's a challenge because there's so many mech suits in it?

1333
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: Yes, how are they don't? I don't know? Okay, no, no,

1334
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: no no.

1335
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: I was also the issue of like, why here's the

1336
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: thing that's bothered me up a Pacific forever? Use the

1337
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 2: fucking sword every single time? Why is why does he

1338
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 2: only pull the sword out?

1339
01:19:54,120 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: What you get that makes it side by. I don't no,

1340
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you that. I'm gonna tell you something. Guys,

1341
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: somebody has watched it, has I've watched Specific Rim a lot.

1342
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: But I do think actually in this case, I think

1343
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: a boo has found a get around on our fried

1344
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,799
Speaker 1: you rule because not only do they not grow bigger,

1345
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: but also there are mech suits, and not just that

1346
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: the technology within the mech suits is overly explaining that

1347
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: maybe some people do not like it that you have

1348
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: to drift, you have to connect with someone psychologically. There's

1349
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: a lot of technology there that does not exist and

1350
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: will probably never exist, but is a major part of

1351
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: the first specific Can I just think he works? I

1352
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,560
Speaker 1: agree it's on the bubble? Does it not?

1353
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 2: Though fall a foul of extra Vision's lag growing as much?

1354
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 2: I think that while it is monster with sci fi elements,

1355
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: is it not?

1356
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: Is it not monster?

1357
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: That's all the masters growing, But if it's still tall,

1358
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 2: it's still one hundred feet two hundred feet tall. I think,

1359
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 2: like we don't see God's will grow, but it's still

1360
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 2: obviously monster anyway.

1361
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 5: Okay, And I will readily admit that Pacific Rim doesn't

1362
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 5: even meet my standard of sci fi, like what.

1363
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: So comary.

1364
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1365
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: And like, but it is just okay, children of Men,

1366
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: it is sci fi. Show of Hands. I think it's

1367
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: sci fi. It's just too it's so, it's two.

1368
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 2: To three not sci fi.

1369
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: Crossed it off. I listen.

1370
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 5: It's one of my top we've gone so far, we've

1371
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 5: crossed the room conversations.

1372
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 3: It is sci fi.

1373
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: It's not show of hands, it's sci fi. I do

1374
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: think it's yeah five, it's sci fi.

1375
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: Christ nine. I think clearly this is sci fi, has

1376
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: tech elements, it's very interesting.

1377
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 2: Uh, it's sci fi very clearly. Side by Pacific rim

1378
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 2: it's side by show up hands.

1379
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:08,879
Speaker 6: I'm gonna.

1380
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I think you know what.

1381
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: I think that the brain drifting technology.

1382
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: I know.

1383
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.

1384
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna vote against it. Okay, your altaboo.

1385
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 5: Honestly, I could divert for another twenty minutes by picking

1386
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 5: snow Piercer as my alt.

1387
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 2: But don't do it, Please don't do it.

1388
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 5: So I'm going to I'll throw a blade Runner twenty

1389
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 5: forty nine. Let's have two.

1390
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeaheah, Okay, that's it, and I think we all agree

1391
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: that that's sci Fi. Yes, if Blade Run side far

1392
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 1: sci fi?

1393
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1394
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, let's go finally to Carmen's films. Here

1395
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: we go, Boy, the Fifth Element, Ghost in the Shell, Gadica, Companion,

1396
01:22:56,439 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 2: Blade Runner. Any outstanding issues that any that he has

1397
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 2: I've raised my I think the Ghost and Shell might

1398
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 2: have the cura issues.

1399
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: Can we start there?

1400
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 2: Does Ghost of Michelle have a cura issues?

1401
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: I think that it does, even as the person who

1402
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: raised as I'm saying, I'm saying, I do think. I

1403
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: do think. Actually specifically in this case, I am on

1404
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: common side because I think that the technology aspect of

1405
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: Ghost of Michelle is incredibly important.

1406
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,759
Speaker 6: It's at the core and the transhuman history.

1407
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,560
Speaker 1: It's the transhumanism. It's all also just like aesthetically and

1408
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: the images that leave an impact on us. They are

1409
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: about the technology, they are about the way that this

1410
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: character moves throughout this super high tech world. So I

1411
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: actually think Ghost of Michelle is sci Fi. I'm onside, I.

1412
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 3: Lean to agree with you.

1413
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: Any other issues I have something else?

1414
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 5: I guess I have a please, I guess I have

1415
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 5: a question Karmen about Companion. I haven't seen it, but

1416
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 5: earlier we raised the potential issue of is this horror

1417
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 5: first and sci fi second? And isn't Companion also about

1418
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 5: like falling in love with Ai? So are we running

1419
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 5: into her issue here as well?

1420
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 6: Well, he's actually not in love with her, He's okay, No,

1421
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 6: she's a possession the way.

1422
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say the issue with Companion is that

1423
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: you could argue, and I really enjoyed this movie too,

1424
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 1: I think that you could argue that Companion is like

1425
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: a broader movie kind of in this space of like

1426
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: a ton of Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but more

1427
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: in like a comedy crime space. But the movie doesn't

1428
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: exist without the Companion technology.

1429
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 6: Yes, so I mean we do have to.

1430
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it exists today or yes, no, no, No,

1431
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: it's a full it's imagine if you had a imagine

1432
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,560
Speaker 1: if you essentially had like a sex robo, but like

1433
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: it's not just like it's not just like a Silicon

1434
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: sext door like they sell now. It's a full human

1435
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: being who also doesn't know that they're a robot sentience

1436
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 1: and it's controlled by an app. So we're kind of

1437
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: far away from that, maybe only thirty I'm gonna look,

1438
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say my controversial opinion here, which I feel

1439
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: like has probably just been absolutely erased by the fact

1440
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: that we just voted Blade Runner twenty forty nine through.

1441
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: I think that Blade Ranner, Oh, he has a lot

1442
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: of the same issues as a Kira. It's noir, It's

1443
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: it's about a visual I escape there. It's not a

1444
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 1: lot of conversation about how a replicant exists or a

1445
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: replicant is more just like something that is created and

1446
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: is human and robot.

1447
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,480
Speaker 6: It also raises questions of transhumanism.

1448
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: I think, no, it's honestly the fact that the replicants

1449
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,560
Speaker 1: are like the main point. I can't really argue this,

1450
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: but I will say some of the arguments used against

1451
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 1: Kira esthetically the way.

1452
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 2: I think that there is I think, to me, the

1453
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 2: biggest question mark on this is the fifth element, which

1454
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 2: I think has I thought.

1455
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 1: Enough fantasy elements Like it's really.

1456
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 2: It's you know, we're talking about like ancient Egyptian culture

1457
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 2: like integrating with this high space operatness that doesn't actually

1458
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 2: have any discussion of it's more like just by that

1459
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 2: this whole world exists and that there's like an ancient

1460
01:26:55,960 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 2: Egyptian space cult that has a chosen one that has

1461
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 2: risen again after they've been broken out of like their

1462
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 2: like rock Crypt. It feels like this could be an

1463
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones movie, also, which I agree has sci fi elements,

1464
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to raise it.

1465
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:15,799
Speaker 1: Listen.

1466
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 2: I think it's it's objectively true that the fifth element

1467
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 2: does not rise to the Joel definition.

1468
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: It does not, but I will say fifth element, this

1469
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: to me is like past flying.

1470
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 6: Future, yeah, and which they create an entire human out

1471
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 6: of just like a little bit of you know.

1472
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 5: So I don't know.

1473
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's take the let's ship this Common.

1474
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: I think Common might have the first full five.

1475
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 6: Let's see.

1476
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 2: Let's well, let's vote on it. The fifth element. Yes,

1477
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 2: it's sci fi.

1478
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 6: They generate a whole person.

1479
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm I will say that I voted for, but I'm

1480
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: like only three and a half ghost in the shell.

1481
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:11,520
Speaker 2: It is sci fi, Gadica, it's sci fi. Great companion,

1482
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 2: it's sci fi.

1483
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be bleed. N't get it?

1484
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: First five?

1485
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: You got ya?

1486
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 2: Okay, so everybody's tween Joe and Joelle.

1487
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 4: Let's get your alt okay, uh, the matrix and do

1488
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 4: another Aaron poll. Aaron was upset it wasn't on the list.

1489
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 4: Going back, I agree, it's completely technology based.

1490
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 3: They have to. Yes, everybody knows the whole thing how

1491
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 3: it works.

1492
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: Loves this one.

1493
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: Also, let's guys, the Matrix. We could have a whole

1494
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,839
Speaker 1: episode on the conversations around the Matrix, but this episode

1495
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: is already like an hour and half long, so I'm

1496
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: saying it's a fucking side. Oh yeah, yeah, let's just

1497
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: be okay, a.

1498
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 6: Limited a video game.

1499
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

1500
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 2: So here are are finished lists, starting with Carmen Carmen,

1501
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: who is the only person who got every movie through

1502
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 2: the fifth elment nineteen ninety seven, Ghosts in the Shelf

1503
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety five, Ganica from nineteen ninety seven, Companion

1504
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 2: from Just This Summer, Blade Runner from nineteen eighty two,

1505
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: a Boo Children of Men crossed off, replaced with Blade

1506
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 2: Runner twenty forty nine, followed by Her, followed by The

1507
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 2: I Mean the Classic District nine, followed by Arrival, followed

1508
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 2: by Pacific Rim which just sneaks through the portal at

1509
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 2: the bottom of the scene. There we go to my films,

1510
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 2: Edge of Tomorrow, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which

1511
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 2: got through on the Jurassic part corollary Strange Days from

1512
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, Aniara from twenty eighteen, An Enemy Mine

1513
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty five. We Go to Rosie Akira knocked off,

1514
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 2: much to Rosie's complete shock and replaced with the legendary alien,

1515
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 2: followed by Starship Troopers, followed by a RoboCop. It's a

1516
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 2: double Verhoven, followed by Jurassic Park, High Life and the

1517
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 2: underrated Inner Space, which replaces the shock knockoff Cura knocked

1518
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,799
Speaker 2: off four to one, followed by the double Verhoven, Starship

1519
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 2: Troopers and RoboCop, and followed by a Jurassic Park which

1520
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 2: created the Jurassic Park corollary. As long as the science

1521
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 2: essential to the creation of everything else that follows, it

1522
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 2: only has to be in the first ten minutes of

1523
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 2: the movie, and then in High Life, and then finally

1524
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 2: Joelle The Day the Earth Stood Still from nineteen fifty one,

1525
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 2: pineer and classic in the genre, The Fly from nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty six. Jeff Goldbloom is hot and shirtless. The Matrix

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Speaker 2: replaces everything everywhere all it.

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Speaker 1: Was a shock knockoff Scandal.

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Speaker 2: Of the Iron Giant for nineteen ninety nine, which I

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Speaker 2: contend should not be There, but it's there and Alien

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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine. Wow, those are our films.

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Speaker 1: What is the audience think?

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Speaker 2: We get at us through Instagram, through the Blue Sky,

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Speaker 2: through the Discord, go to the discord, through the YouTube comments.

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Speaker 2: Tell us what you think should be in there? What

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Speaker 2: are your definitions of sci fi? And that's it for

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Speaker 2: this episode. This has been really fun. Thanks for hanging

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Speaker 2: with us. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're

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Speaker 2: continuing our summer movie coverage with another popcorn pop out

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Speaker 2: and we'll give you our immediate reaction to the live

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Speaker 2: action How to Train Your Dragon and discuss live action

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Speaker 2: remakes are they worth it or not? Hi, Carmen, Aboo, Joelle,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: So great. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and

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Speaker 2: Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Common Laurent, Dean Jonathan and Bai Wag.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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Speaker 1: Heidi our discord moderator,