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Speaker 1: On today's episode a Ticke of the Draft podcast, we

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Speaker 1: talk oh Line, the big Nasties, day, got Ben burst, kicksteps,

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Speaker 1: heavy hands, We go from ten to one my list

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Speaker 1: of offensive linemen as it stands right now, and then

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Speaker 1: for all you crazy draft nerds out there, the guys

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Speaker 1: that can't get enough, we throw out an extra ten names,

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Speaker 1: the guys you should keep an eye on. That all

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Speaker 1: starts right now. Welcome into Ticke of the Draft Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with Jessic guy Jason and as

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Speaker 1: always I'm so excited to be talking football with my

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Speaker 1: guy here. But make sure we want this to be

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Speaker 1: a collaborative experience on the podcast, so make sure you're

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Speaker 1: dropping comments, leaving suggestions. We need to fill the content.

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Speaker 1: If there's a name of a player you want to

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Speaker 1: hear about, we want to make that happen for you

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Speaker 1: because today we're doing offensive line review and we are

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Speaker 1: just gonna throw a lot of names. We watch a

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Speaker 1: lot of film and kind of give you our thoughts

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Speaker 1: on this group, but we want your feedback on this

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Speaker 1: and if there's someone we left out, please let us know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's the Monday after the Super Bowl. We

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Speaker 2: learned anything from watching that game building the trenches, right,

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Speaker 2: So it's offensive line time. And like you said, I

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Speaker 2: think the goal from what we're trying to do in

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Speaker 2: these podcasts is not just do a top ten list.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do a top ten list, but not

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Speaker 2: just do that a lot of other pods. Do you

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Speaker 2: that we want to give as many names as possible,

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Speaker 2: including later round guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, percent, because I do think there's this thing that

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Speaker 1: that's not like really in it, and it's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I heard about player X, and it's like, oh, we

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Speaker 1: there's no other good football players in the draft. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I understand why you think that every national pundit's mocking

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Speaker 1: good football players like Brandon Coleman last year. Was he

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Speaker 1: on anybody's bingo card to get drafted here to play

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Speaker 1: just shows you that these guys that do this professionally

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Speaker 1: again give you our top ten lists and we'll tell

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Speaker 1: you why they're in our top ten, but also just

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Speaker 1: give you some other names of guys that we think

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Speaker 1: are really good football players. And if by some miracle

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when we talk about top ten, especially with offensive line,

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Speaker 2: and that's a premium position, so they're going to go.

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Speaker 2: So if we talk about, oh, well here are the

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you, when you're looking at offensive line,

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Speaker 2: what are some traits that you're looking for. And as

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Speaker 2: As we go through and we talk about these guys,

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Speaker 1: Some people don't really understand that because I think they

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Speaker 2: So let me double click on a couple of terms

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and all right, so let's get into your top

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Speaker 2: ten offensive lineman with all those kind of in mine,

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Speaker 2: all those term clarifications and what you're looking for for

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Speaker 2: offensive linment. So we're going to go ten to one.

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Speaker 2: That's how you do it in the biziness call a tease.

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Speaker 2: So number ten offensive lineman for you.

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Speaker 1: Is Emery Jones from LSU. And he's a really interesting

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Speaker 1: Do you have here? Yeah? So I got Jalen Travis

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Speaker 1: this this this plays and I see a very clear path,

431
00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,760
Speaker 1: and I see a very high floor because of the athlete,

432
00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,359
Speaker 1: and I see a very high ceiling because of the measurables.

433
00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,840
Speaker 1: And so that's where it's like I like him a lot,

434
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 1: I think, And again we talked about tackles. I think

435
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,320
Speaker 1: Ariante and Travis are both tackles. I think Arian might

436
00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,880
Speaker 1: let me take that back Ersery could potentially play guard

437
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,399
Speaker 1: because of the lack of like true athleticism. But I

438
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,080
Speaker 1: think Jalen Travis is like one of the only guys

439
00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,640
Speaker 1: in this draft in my opinion that's like a tackle.

440
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,320
Speaker 1: So that's why he's all true true tackle, right, Yeah.

441
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,640
Speaker 2: Okay, number seven. Then we got Alabama on the board here.

442
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is our first like true interior player. Tyler

443
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,560
Speaker 1: Booker from Alabama. He's probably and again you know, we're

444
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,600
Speaker 1: gonna talk about grays Abel here in a second, Like

445
00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,320
Speaker 1: they're probably my number one guard, so I wanted to

446
00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,159
Speaker 1: have a true guard on here. So it's either was

447
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,760
Speaker 1: between him and Grey's Abel, and Gray's Abel had an

448
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,800
Speaker 1: excellent senior Bowl. He moves well, he's his film's fun

449
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,240
Speaker 1: to watch. He's nasty. He played left tackle at North

450
00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,639
Speaker 1: Akota State. But Tyler Booker is just he's more NFL ready.

451
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,200
Speaker 1: I guess he's sixty six, he's three point thirty. He's

452
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,119
Speaker 1: a big old hots, he's got long arms, he's got

453
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,679
Speaker 1: relatively quick feet, and it's just like the floor for

454
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 1: that player just seems like sky high. Like he's coming

455
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 1: in day one. Just a safe bet, get on base

456
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 1: kind of pick, like is Grey's Abel maybe better long

457
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 1: term because the athleticism, sure, but the size, the movement

458
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 1: skills for a man that big, the tenacity in the

459
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 1: run game, the pass protection field, the length, right, he's

460
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,639
Speaker 1: got big old mits, he gets some on people. He

461
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 1: just there's something about that floor like he's gonna be

462
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,920
Speaker 1: Is he for everybody? No, because I don't think he's

463
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,680
Speaker 1: going to play well in an outside zone only system, right,

464
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 1: whereas Grey's Abel would wright he'd be excellent in that role.

465
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,119
Speaker 1: But I just think the size, the strength, the ability

466
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 1: to pull, which is hard for big dudes, the ability

467
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,639
Speaker 1: to bend, it's all all those things you want to

468
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 1: check our there. I don't think he's got the lightest defeat,

469
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 1: but he's a guard, so he can have those heavier feet.

470
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 1: We don't need to worry about the space play quite

471
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,159
Speaker 1: as much. We can set up firm pocket and so

472
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 1: that's why he's he's number seven on my list.

473
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 2: Why does a guard not need to worry so much?

474
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 2: Is it because he's insulated?

475
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean the guy's like, you know, you can

476
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 1: reach out and touch the guy you're blocking. Most of

477
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 1: the time, right, And again you need to have some

478
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: movement skills, no doubt. But there are a couple of

479
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,120
Speaker 1: guards that are just big bodies in there. They have help,

480
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 1: they have, you know, help on the end from the center,

481
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 1: they have help from the tackle, just from body presence

482
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 1: and as long as like so, I think about Cyrus

483
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 1: Torrents from Florida last year, I didn't think he moved

484
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: that well like laterally, but again he's been a pretty

485
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 1: solid pro with Buffalo just because he's big, gets his

486
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,479
Speaker 1: hands on you, he can mirror enough, and he can

487
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 1: get to the second level. And I think all of

488
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 1: those boxes are checked. And I actually think it's a

489
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 1: little bit better technically from Tyler Booker. And I think

490
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 1: that's why again he's you know, Gray's Abel Tyler Booker.

491
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: I just think I thought Tyler Booker had a floor.

492
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Speaker 1: That's why he's on my list.

493
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Speaker 2: All right, our next guy here at number six, I'm

494
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: going to say a couple of things real quick, and

495
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess why you like him.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know I texted you about seven times.

497
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 1: I've switched him all over the place.

498
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna guess why you like If he was

499
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: a standout for you at the Senior Bowl if you

500
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 2: listen to our coverage on that. If not, you can

501
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 2: go back and listen to it. But he's a huge, huge,

502
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: be strong and aggressive and has comical power.

503
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, we're.

504
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: Talking about the NC State stand out here, Anthony Bent.

505
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: Anthony Benton. That's exactly right. So he's huge, sixty five

506
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: and three eighths, big guy, three forty five, that's probably

507
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 1: three point fifty three fifty five. He's got ten and

508
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: a quarter in chance, he's got thirty four and five

509
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 1: inchents arms, and he is explosives all outdoors, which is

510
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: weird to talk about for a big guy, like when

511
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: you see him like so, for example, let's say I'm

512
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: past that he plays left tack of frensis state, I'm

513
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: past setting the left defensive end he drops out in coverage.

514
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 1: His ability to snap down and just obliterate people like

515
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: the three technique that's looping out and just stone that

516
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: man is incredible. He can get to the second level,

517
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 1: he can get out on screens. He's got tremendous snap

518
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: and power in his hands, and he's got these lovely

519
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: light ballerina feet and you're just like, if there was

520
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: a guy and we're gonna talk about what I don't

521
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: like about him in a second, but just from a

522
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: body movement standpoint, he's my number one guy. Like just

523
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: if you were like, everything checks out across the board, right, Hey,

524
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: he's a good dude, he works hard, all those different things. Right,

525
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: he's probably one of my definitely top three. Right. Yeah,

526
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: there are some things that I worry about with him,

527
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: but physically, it's like, if I'm a coach, like, that's

528
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: the one I want. I want the guy who's big,

529
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: who's got the natural snap, who's got the length, who's

530
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: got this ability to like watching him track a linebacker

531
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: on the second level, you're like that shouldn't be possible,

532
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: and that's what you want to be feeling when you

533
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: watch a really high power offensive lineman. But he's number

534
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: six on my list.

535
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, how did he do at the Senior Bowl team?

536
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: I thought he did really well. It's funny, so I went.

537
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: I thought the Senior World practices he was excellent. Like

538
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: in the team drills, he was excellent. His physicality was awesome,

539
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: probably the most physical guy there as far as offensive lineman.

540
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 1: His ability to mirror and match with like Mike Green

541
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: and you know Osriiki from Boston College was really juiced

542
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: up edge rushers was awesome. He had great power. And

543
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: then I watched the Senior Bowl game last night at

544
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: one in the morning, and I was like, he looks

545
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: a little bit off, and I wonder if this is

546
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: the thing that kind of separates him from the rest

547
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: of the guys, is his highs are there's no higher highs.

548
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: Like he's tremendous, like his ability to track and get

549
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: on people and block people and get him on the

550
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: ground and finish and get that big belly moving all

551
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: that stuff. But there are also plays where you're like,

552
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: are you taking this playoff? Or are you super locked

553
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: in mentally, Like a lot of penalties, a lot of

554
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: false starts. I think he had a last year, not

555
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: as many as someone else we're going to talk about

556
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: here in a minute, but like he's a guy that

557
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: I wonder if you interview him, what that interview sounds like,

558
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: what it feels like in there, like if you love ball,

559
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: if he's locked in. He reminds me, I think I

560
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: said this to you. He reminds me of Tyler Smith

561
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: from Dallas when I watched Smith's tape, the explosiveness, the

562
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: movement skills were off the charts right, and every team

563
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: ended up liking him right before the draft happened because

564
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: the interviews went well. If he interviews well, like, I

565
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: think he could be like a bottom of the first

566
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: round type guy top of the second because he's just

567
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: a freak, you know what I mean. Yeah, but a

568
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: lot's got to go right for him.

569
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: So well, speaking of Senior Bowl, our next guy here

570
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: on the list, number five is Josh Connelly, junior from Oregon.

571
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: And here's the thing I'm gonna start with this. Okay,

572
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: he was on the negative end of.

573
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: A viral video of one viral video, right, a.

574
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 2: One viral video with Mike Green. This is this is

575
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 2: who Mike Green just bowled right over. And in that clip,

576
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: if you don't look at Mike Green and you look

577
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: at Connelly, his feet weren't set. Immediately got run over

578
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 2: because his feet were off the ground. So you're gonna

579
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: get pushed over when you have those set. It wasn't

580
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: right like out of the gate. He didn't set right,

581
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 2: which allowed him to get just bowled over. And I

582
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 2: think this is not to take anything away from Mike Green.

583
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: I think anybody on the other end would have pushed

584
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: him over because it was just yeah, it was just

585
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: like yeah, and us being there, we saw that, and

586
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: they immediately ran it back because I think Connley was like,

587
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: wait a minute, tripped, something happened that this isn't how

588
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: it should be. Any He did okay on the next

589
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: tip against Mike Green. So I want I want people

590
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: to know that one video that you see from this

591
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl where he it wasn't his best performance, doesn't

592
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: mean this guy is not number five on your all

593
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: your offensive lineers. He's a good player.

594
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: Logan Toll me, what, Yeah, Well, first off, I think

595
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: he's a true tackle, right, and I think he's a

596
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: little undersized, which is why you get that bull reaction, right,

597
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: that physicality, the bull kind of knocking him over, Yeah,

598
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: which is something I am worried about. When you just

599
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: watch him at Oregon, when you watch the Senior Bowl game,

600
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: he's just so consistent. He's got thirty four in charms,

601
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: he's got the length, he's got the hight. He's six

602
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: five of six four excuse me, six y four and

603
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: one eighth. He moves well, he's he's the athlete we're

604
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: talking about. He tracks well at the second level. He's

605
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: incredibly solid. He's so so solid. Right, he is almost

606
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: the antithesis of Anthony Belton, right, Like Anthony Belton is like,

607
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: oh this is great. Look at this dude. Smash this guy, right, Like,

608
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: if you want the guy blocked like our guy Connor,

609
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: he's gonna get it done. He's gonna He's got a

610
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: great consistent pass set. Again, he has his anchors a

611
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: little bit lacking. That's the thing that makes me a

612
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: little bit worried. I do look at him. I think

613
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: you could probably gain fifteen pounds and be totally fine.

614
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: But watching him pull like on transportation, like where you're

615
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: getting the down blocked by the tight end and he's

616
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: pulling on the perimeter. He moves like a deer. He

617
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: can track guys in space like. He's got a great

618
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: vertical set off the line of scrimmage, he's got a

619
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: jump set, He's got multiple things in the bag. So

620
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: when I look at him, I'm like your first round player,

621
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or low first round I

622
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: second round type of player. So Flora's high. He just

623
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: does the right things, and I think there's some physical

624
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: some physicality to develop in his game. But if they

625
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: if they were, like if Washington walked up there with

626
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: the twenty ninth pick and said, oh, Connorly, I'd be like, awesome, nice, amazing.

627
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: Yep. And here's the thing. He played against Abdua Carter.

628
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: This year, he's going to be a top five maybe

629
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: like the best edge rusher in this class easily.

630
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: Pretty good, pretty good day.

631
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying this is impressive. So he has tape against

632
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: NFL level.

633
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: If you watch his game film, it's good. It's like

634
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: objectively good. That's why we're talking about him. And so

635
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: for all of us kind of draft nuts out there,

636
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: it's like one clip against Mike Green does not a

637
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: bad good and does not it does not a does

638
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: not a bad career make So for him, I'm like,

639
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 1: this is awesome, great job. Like I think he's going

640
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: to be a heck of a heck of a pro

641
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: player again if you can get a little bit bigger,

642
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: a little bit stronger. But that happens every year. Guys

643
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: get bigger, stronger when they get to the NFL. They

644
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: get around NFL competition. Number four. Number four is I'm

645
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: on Menbou from Missouri. He's sixty three and three quarters.

646
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: He's three hundred and thirty two pounds, he's got thirty

647
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: three and one eighth inch arms, and he is a

648
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: really fun guy to watch because he just he can

649
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: do everything kind of He plays right for Missouri and

650
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: moves well, can kick vertically decent length, uses his length well.

651
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: You can tell he's really strong, Like when he lays

652
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: his hands on people, they just stop. It's like a

653
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: jolt of electricity through their body. I think he's probably

654
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: a guard. Actually I don't think so. He's probably a

655
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: guard at the next level or an interior player of

656
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: some kind. But he moves well, great physicality, good ben

657
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: kind of natural like like leverages because he's a little

658
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: bit shorter. He's six y three, right, so not the

659
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: tallest guy in the whole world. He's three hundred and

660
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: thirty pounds. He doesn't move like that. He just he's

661
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: got the again for a guy that weighs that much.

662
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: The snap in his hands is awesome. The way he

663
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: uses his length is awesome. He can mirror people in space,

664
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: which is great, and he's athletic enough to get out

665
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: and cover people up. So he I mean I thought

666
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: about putting him above Kevin Banks Junior, the guy from Texas,

667
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: but I again, I value tackles and I think Kevin

668
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: Banks could play tackle. I think Membo is a straight guard.

669
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. Tell me if you saw all

670
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: this as well with him, It's just it's just something

671
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: that stuck out to me when watching. He's a little inconsistent. Yeah,

672
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: he'll have a great play and it's like, oh, excellent technique,

673
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: good use of hands, and then the very next play lazy, right,

674
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 2: And so there's something there that's like, I don't know

675
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: what lazy is the wrong term. I'm not calling him lazy.

676
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying his hand movement was a little slow, So like,

677
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: what what do you think's going on there?

678
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: He would have been fun to watch at the Senior

679
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: Bowl because I do think the Missouri offense is a

680
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: little bit it encourages that a little bit. And what

681
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean by that is they'll give him like a

682
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: hard rep where he's like pass protection or he's cutting

683
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: somebody off on the back side, and then it'll have

684
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: like a draw or a screen or a on the

685
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: backside of a screen, or like a keeper where he's

686
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of just like mosing down the line of scrimmage.

687
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: Like I felt like I had to watch almost double

688
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: the amount of tape with him just to get a

689
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: feel for like how hard, how good he was at

690
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: the hard stuff, and like when he's taking plays off

691
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: on like those quote unquote easy reps. So I definitely

692
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: saw some of that and it was something you had

693
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: to negotiate. But I just had to watch more of them,

694
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, and to get to get a vibe. But

695
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: they athlete, the mover, the strength is all things you

696
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: want there. And again this is where I go back to,

697
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: like the interview stuff is so important. It's so incredibly

698
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: important because if the dude likes football, like loves football,

699
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 1: he's passionate about he's locked in. He knows the checks.

700
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: That's the other thing about like our guy Anthony Belton,

701
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you watch him and he's and there's like

702
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: a guy walked up in the A gap and he's

703
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: like tapping the guard incessantly because he doesn't know who

704
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: to block. You just tell right, yeah, membo, you can

705
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: tell he's smart. He kind of gets it. But that's

706
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: where the interview process and like understanding who this person

707
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: is is so incredibly important because like we can be like, hey,

708
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, why are we taking plays off or what's

709
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: going on here a little inconsistent and he can give

710
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: you an answer, or we can talk to his old

711
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: line coach and he can give us something to talk about.

712
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: So I think that's where I'm like, again, I see

713
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: what you're saying, but I think the body and the

714
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: good is very very good.

715
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: Number three, the guy you just mentioned, So it's not

716
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: really a tease anymore.

717
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: Kelvin Banks, Junior from Texas. This one was hard for me. Man,

718
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: have you watched him? Yeah?

719
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: I have, so let me uh, here's here's something that

720
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: I thought was interesting about him. I don't think I'm

721
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: like I've tapped into something interesting like unique here. I

722
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: don't know. I could be completely wrong about this. He

723
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: stares at who he's about the block is what he's

724
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: about to do, which bothered the heck out of me.

725
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: And I can't tell you why. But if it's a

726
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: I knew if it was a run play or a

727
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: pass play immediately because he's if he's got to go

728
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: to the second level. He is staring down that linebacker.

729
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: He has to go where that safety that's coming in

730
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: and you can see his head move with him, and

731
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, here comes a run. He's about to get

732
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: after that guy, and that annoyed me.

733
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Annoys me too, But also the same thing that happened

734
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: is he loops his outside hand in pass protection. Okay,

735
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: and that bothers the heck out of me too. I'm like,

736
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't like this, but again, I had to go

737
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: back to level of competition, which is really important. He's

738
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: playing big time schools, big time pass rushers every week.

739
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: He's competitive, he's tough, he's got the explosive short area

740
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: of quickness that you get from like and he Belton,

741
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: you know that kind of popped that snap where you're

742
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: getting on a linebacker. You're on a double team, which

743
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: I liked. And again the athletes there, so it's like

744
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: the level of competition, snappy, twitchy guy. Again, the technical stuff,

745
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: some of it bothered me a little bit, Like you

746
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: can hear it. I'm still like, but I felt like

747
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: he was more consistent than everybody else, maybe outside of

748
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: Josh Connerly, right, Yeah, And the thing is he's just

749
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger, a little bit stronger, and so

750
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: that's why he's ahead of Josh Connerly, do.

751
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: You think he can do that anchor pull that anchor

752
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: like you were talking about.

753
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: I think so. I think it's like when I watch

754
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: him again, he's doing this thing with his hands where

755
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: he loops his out his left hand because he plays

756
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: left tackle and he plans the inside hand and it's

757
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: really hard to sink a ball that way, like to

758
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: sit down on that, and he consistently finds a way

759
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: to stop guys running.

760
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: I think he's able to do that because he's got

761
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: a thick, solid base.

762
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: His legs are big. His legs at his butt are big.

763
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah big, So like I think that's helping him there.

764
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: But uh, I mean, he's a good player. I know

765
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: we started off I started off with like that, but

766
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: it's like like he's a.

767
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: Very good play good but there's something about him. Then

768
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because it's like he's good.

769
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: Would I be happy if the Commanders drafted him, Yeah,

770
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: of course. But there's something a little bit off or that.

771
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: I think it's a technical thing where if I was

772
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: a coach and I could go talk to the coach

773
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: and be like, why are letting him look all the

774
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: time and why is he loop in his left hand,

775
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: like can we get that fix? Like why is he

776
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: lunging at some of these guys on the second level?

777
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Like the consistency's good, but then there's a couple of

778
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: things Whe're like, we could probably clean this up. And

779
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: that's ultimately what I'm relying on is that I'd like

780
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: him in the meeting because again, he plays. They played Georgia,

781
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: They've got a bunch of guys going in the first round.

782
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: They played Ohio State, a bunch of guys go in

783
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: the first round. You know, they played Michigan. They've got

784
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys going the first round past Rusher wise,

785
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: and he does a great job versus all those guys.

786
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: So it's the level of competition the athletes. There some

787
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: technical things that are weird, but again, the bass, the anchor,

788
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: all seems to be there for him.

789
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me if you think I'm wrong here with this.

790
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: I said, he's he's he's got good verse for as

791
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: big as he is, right, he's got his size. He

792
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: knows how to use his size at times. And I

793
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: put down that he has all the tools that if

794
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: you get with a coach that tells him how to

795
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: reach in the bag and pull those things out. He

796
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: could be a Pro Bowl like player. He's got that

797
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: in it.

798
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: It feels that way. Yeah, And I think that's the

799
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: thing about him that's so interesting when watching him is

800
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: it's like there is like all that stuff's true, but

801
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: there's still a little bit of thing that's like, I

802
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe so again, he's the third guy on

803
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: our list. We like him. I think he's gonna go

804
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: probably top twenty, I would say, yeah, just based on

805
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: what I've seen of the other position groups right now,

806
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: maybe twenty five, depending because how many dbs go. But

807
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: like him a couple things here and there, but I

808
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: think overall gonna be a good pro.

809
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: All right, your number two would have been my number one.

810
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: I'm in love with this player. So tell me about

811
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: Josh Simmons from Ohio State.

812
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Dude, he would have been my number one if he

813
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: hadn't hurt himself. Right, Yeah, that's the thing. Like, So

814
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: he's number seventy one at Ohio State, plays left. Tackley

815
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: transferred from San Diego State. I want to say maybe

816
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: San very Saneo State, so smaller school guy that transferred

817
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: up kind of like our guy. Jyllen, Travis and Bro.

818
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: His movement skills are tremendous. He's three hundred and twenty

819
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: five pounds, he's six five and a half sixty six,

820
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: and he like all the things you see from Trent,

821
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: like Trent's special cut. So I hate making that comparison,

822
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: but like that's what I wrote down. Yeah, like Voderosov

823
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: from Minnesota who just got that big contract. I know

824
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: they were seventy one. Both those guys were seventy one,

825
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: But those movement skills, right, I can get out on

826
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: a screen, I can smoke a linebacker, I can bend,

827
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: I can sink a bowl. I can give I can

828
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: flash hands the defensive end, duck inside and capture the

829
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: linebacker and outside sot. Like he's just got all the

830
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: big top end movement stuff you want. Like he has

831
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: it one hundred percent, man, and that like is just

832
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: and so to me, he's the best athlete in the class.

833
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: Like and so I just recently saw a mock draft.

834
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jeremiah did it where he had Josh

835
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: Shimmons coming to the Commanders at twenty nine. Oh my gosh,

836
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: I'd have been like, oh my god, this is the

837
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: best day of my life because he and he's coming

838
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: off some type of knee injury. It's undisclosed. Yeah, he

839
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: missed the last half of the season. He played the

840
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: first six games the last of the season, and dude,

841
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: he's just like good, He's just good. He moves well.

842
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: He's a little technically raw. Upper body strength might be

843
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: a little bit lacking, but man like, he can just

844
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: move around at a high level.

845
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: He's got Here's what Here's what I wrote. It's just

846
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: what I see, and all I am is a spectator, right,

847
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: I see that he's an elite offensive tackle in this

848
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: draft pass He has all the tools and has polished

849
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: enough that upon entering his NFL floor is pretty high.

850
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: Just with that athleticism, it's the moon with him if

851
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: he's able to fit polish everything up, that athleticism. Just

852
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: he's nasty but nuanced, heavy but quick. Think of like

853
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: running back like athleticism at that size.

854
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: I think he's a top pick.

855
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: It's the knee, right, It's just a knee. But I

856
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: have no state and anything, right, Like, I don't run

857
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: this team. I don't know anything about how people decide here,

858
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: how Adam Peters are Anybody here decides anything. I'm just

859
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: a guy and I have because I have no stake

860
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: in the game. I don't care about the knee injury.

861
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm taking everything this guy brings me. And here's my

862
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: starting left tackle for ten next ten some years, protecting

863
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: Jane and Daniels. But again, I have no stake in it,

864
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: so I can take that risk. And then there's a

865
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: knee problem, and then you.

866
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, and again, like you know, if he tore

867
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: his ACL, that's fine because people come back from a cylindery. Yeah,

868
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: then there's a role it is. There's a rumor that

869
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: I know, and I hate even talking about this, but

870
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: he talks to me, I think it's a Pateell injury

871
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, we don't know what it is. Yeah,

872
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: we don't know. But again there's levels to it, right,

873
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: so it could be really bad, it could be fine.

874
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: So if it's fine, I think you do a backflip, man,

875
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: I think, because everything you said is one hundred percent truth.

876
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: So I think about Darrisol like what I had an

877
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: evaluation him coming out. I feel the same way about him,

878
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: like I love him. I think he's he's the guy

879
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: to me, And again it's it's close between him and

880
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: the number one R list. But man, like all the

881
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: things he said, he's quick, he's strong, he can bend

882
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: all the athletic check marks, and he seems to have

883
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: a good understanding of angles and leverages and play design

884
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I like he's again. If it wasn't

885
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: for the knee, he'd be the number one guy. It'd

886
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: be close as can we just talk about number one

887
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: real quick, because.

888
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: Goes ahead, here's your number one?

889
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Will Campbell from LSU. I don't know if that's

890
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: a surprise anybody, but as I watched so again, Josh

891
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: Simmons love him. I can't say enough good things about him, Right,

892
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: Will Campbell Is? I started off a little lukewarm on him, Right,

893
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: I watched a couple of games getting beat off the edge,

894
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: like is he this? The one thing about Will Campbell

895
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: that I will Two things that I will say about

896
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: him is he is a brilliant football person. You can

897
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: just tell by watching him. He understands protections, he's calling looks,

898
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: he's like a larning the quarterback to things like he's

899
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: very communicative and his balance is top shelf like you

900
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: talk about it, movement skills like he moves well, but

901
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: his balance is incredible. Like he's hand uses isn't great,

902
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: but his footwork and his balance are off the chain.

903
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: So like he'll take a bull, he'll basically let the

904
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: guy run right into his chest, which is ill advised

905
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: unless you're like three point fifty, like you know, a

906
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: big dude. But his he can just kind of sink

907
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: his hips, get his feet in there and block you

908
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: with almost just his chest because his lower half is

909
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: so good and his ability to redirect at the second

910
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: level very very high. He's never on the ground even

911
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: like when he's kind of missing, like he's able to

912
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: recover and kind of get back into a block. Like

913
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: his recover, his his ability to recover is very high.

914
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: And I go back to the balance, and I say,

915
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: that's why. So if that's a skill that translates to

916
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: the next level. The conversation between him and Josh Simmons,

917
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: I think is pretty close about who the number one

918
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in this class is. And I would just

919
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: have to I just keep hearing stories about his how

920
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: he prepares and how he studies. He's got all those

921
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: things kind of going for him, and Josh Shimmons might

922
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: be the same way. I don't know, but we haven't

923
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: heard that. So it's the balance, the intelligence, And again

924
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: it shows up when you're watching I'm trying to remember

925
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: what game Mark and saw I had a good game again.

926
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: But there are times where the thing that gets me

927
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: nervous where he'll get beat off the edge, like when

928
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: you watch Joel last year. Joel never got beat never

929
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: like he'd get bold, but he'd set it down. God

930
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: would beat him off the edge, but he pushed him

931
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: by like he never like Will Campbell has some quick

932
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: bad losses on film. Now they're few and far between,

933
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: but they're there, and so it makes me wonder, like

934
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: how long are your arms? I just set his hand

935
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: usage isn't great. But those are the things that's kind

936
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: of jump out to me about negativity with him.

937
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: So there is a conversation kind of going around in

938
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: the draft circles of maybe he's just a really elite guard.

939
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I see it. But after really like

940
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: diving into the balance thing, I'd probably let him take

941
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: a shot at tackle and if it goes, it goes great.

942
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: But he's gonna be good at guard. I mean, shoot,

943
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: he could play I think he could play all five

944
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, he could play any position on the offensive

945
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: line because of the intelligence, because of the competitiveness, because

946
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: of the toughness. I like him a lot, but again

947
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: there's questions about him as a tackle for me, and

948
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: again that's where the value is a little bit weird.

949
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: Like then, so sorry, I'm just pushing back because I

950
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: want I want you to like really dissect it here,

951
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: because is your number one? So if it's like, oh, well, okay, tackle,

952
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 2: we could try out, but I got a really good

953
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 2: guard anyway, and like you could play anywhere on the line,

954
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: I get that, but you want to tackle, right, Like,

955
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: if you're taking this guy as the number one offensive lineman,

956
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 2: don't you want him at that premier spot.

957
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: So we talked about last year, like mitigating risk with kicks, right,

958
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: mitigating risks, risks with a pick, And to me, I

959
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: don't say there's no risk, because there's always some risk.

960
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: But like he that's the kind of player he is,

961
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: Like he's just there. Floor is very high. The floor

962
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: is professional football player. Yeah, right, And like Josh Shimmons

963
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: is coming off the knee. Kelvin Banks junior. We talked

964
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: about some of the kind of quirky technical things right,

965
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm on menbu is close. But we talked about some

966
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: of the effort things, right, Josh Connerley. We talked about

967
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: the weight, you know, Anthony Belta, We talked about the

968
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: inconsistency of like mental mistakes, effort. The highs are very high. Well, Campbell,

969
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: I none of those. I don't really have those same concerns. Right,

970
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: It's just like you're going to be a good pro

971
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: whether it's a tackle or a guard. And again, the

972
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: balance is crazy good, Like it's dialed up to ninety nine.

973
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: It's about as good as it can get. And it

974
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: lets him get out a lot of stuff. So I'm like,

975
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: if we can get him to work with some of

976
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: the length stuff that we're talking about here, Yeah, punch

977
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: a little bit better, be a little more violent with

978
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: his hands, are we okay? Here? Maybe? But he's playing

979
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: SEC football. You know, he's playing against the guys from

980
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: A and M. You know that are everyone's you know,

981
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: two of those guys are going in the top twenty

982
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: five probably right, Nick Scranton and Sherman Samar Stewart from

983
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: and then both those guys are going to go probably

984
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: top twenty five. He did a great job versus both

985
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: those guys. Right, he played against Land and Jackson, the

986
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: big defensive enverd Arkansas. He did give up a quick loss.

987
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: But everything else is like he's going to war with

988
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: a guy who's going to be a at least a

989
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: second round, you know what I'm saying. Like, he's done it.

990
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: This is solid contact, if it's baseball solid contact. Maybe

991
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: maybe this is going to be a home run. Maybe

992
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: it's going to be a double.

993
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: Don't know.

994
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: But you've made good hard time.

995
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing is Like, I like,

996
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to make this comparison Will Campbell. I like that.

997
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: The baseball analogy is perfect. It's you're getting on base

998
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: right with Anthony Belton, it's going to be a grand slam,

999
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: or you're throwing the bat to the outfield because you

1000
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: struck out so bad. Like that's the that's the thing

1001
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: you're dealing with here with with him.

1002
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's your top ten.

1003
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: YEP.

1004
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: I will put in the link of the description here.

1005
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: I'll put in links to where you can jump around

1006
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: to these guys if you want to go back and

1007
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: listen the time codes here. Now, let's do one for

1008
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: the nerds. For the draft psychopaths like us. We're gonna

1009
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: throw out just a couple more names. We're not going

1010
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: to go as in adapt. What I put on here

1011
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: is maybe just like two words for each one of

1012
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: these guys, just describe them. So I'm going to give

1013
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 2: a couple. You're going to give a couple just names

1014
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on. We don't think that these

1015
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: guys are like eleven through fifteen or whatever. Just said

1016
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: adopt them. They're just names to know maybe the later

1017
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: round guys, but just keep an eye on them, fourth round,

1018
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,479
Speaker 2: fifth round, like there could be something there, So start

1019
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: with you.

1020
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. So grays Abel, we already talked about him. He's

1021
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: probably my second guard, you know what I mean. He's

1022
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: a really good player. I love hill of his compete,

1023
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: love his movement skills. Awesome, Like, keep an eye on that.

1024
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: Grays Abel from North a Gokota State. The other guy,

1025
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: Marcus Mbo from Burdue is so fun to watch because

1026
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: he's all the athletic measurables are dialed to a million

1027
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: and all of the strength measurables are like fifty percent.

1028
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: So he is like he's got great sets, got a

1029
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: lot of diversity to what he does, but it's like,

1030
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: are you strong enough to do it? And I think

1031
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: that's the thing that gives me pauses, Like the movement.

1032
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: Movement skills are crazy good. But that's why he's not

1033
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: in my top ten. Is I thought about putting him

1034
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: in there, but again I watched him with the Senior Bowl,

1035
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: watching him in college, like when a big, strong dude

1036
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: gets hands on you, it's like can you survive this?

1037
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that he can. All Right, I'm

1038
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: going to give you one.

1039
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: I liked Wyatt Millam from West Virginia and here's my

1040
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: two words. Yes, he's nasty and a good developmental prospect.

1041
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think part of this is I watch

1042
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: Wyatt Milham when everyone was like, this is the next

1043
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: this is the second coming. He's challenging for like a

1044
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: top five, not a first round spot here, And when

1045
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: I watched him, I was like the athletes good, lacks

1046
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: ideal length, lasts ideal anchor. But I think he could

1047
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: he play in the NFL absolutely, And I think that

1048
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: was the thing that jumped out to me is he

1049
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: only has thirty two and five agents arms, so a

1050
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: little bit substandard. Struggled playing guard at the Senior Bowl,

1051
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: which is probably what he's going to do at the

1052
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: NFL level because he's probably not going to buy tackle

1053
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: and just lacks that great and strength kind of the

1054
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: same thing with Marcus Imbo, like you know, quite frankly.

1055
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: So that's where I kind of why I like him.

1056
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a great fit for a lot

1057
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: of teams in the NFL, but feels a little bit

1058
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: more developmental then initially. I was kind of propositioned when

1059
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: I got his name on the work.

1060
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: Right, let me roll into another one for you, Cameron

1061
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: Williams from Texas.

1062
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: I have a raw but a freak Yeah, no, I

1063
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: ron freak are great words to describe him. Like. He

1064
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of like Anthony Belton, Benton Belton,

1065
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: excuse me, big like just big strong, athletic guys, you know,

1066
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: but they've survived being big, strong and athletic. And I

1067
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: think Belton has a lot more snap and a lot

1068
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: more explosiveness to his game than Cameron Williams does. But

1069
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought him up because he's a guy

1070
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: that you know. He's six five sixty six, he's three forty,

1071
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: he moves around pretty well. He had a ton of penalties,

1072
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: which drives me absolutely insane. Like I was watching the

1073
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: House State game. He had three false starts in the

1074
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: first half, Like, what, What's what's going on with this guy? Right?

1075
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: Like what is happening? So, yes, yes, but what I

1076
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: need to talk with you before we draft.

1077
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: You, probably, so all right, give me give me another one.

1078
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Chase Loots from Connecticut. Man, I turned on

1079
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: this guy's film. I forget who they were playing, it

1080
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: was North Carolina, and I was just like, you are

1081
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: a freak. You're six' eight, you're three hundred and ten pounds,

1082
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: you run like a deer. Like, so if you're playing

1083
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: outside zone, like he's got a great feel for outside zone,

1084
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: he's got a great feel for pass protection. I wonder

1085
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: about his arm length. It looks they looks like short

1086
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: arms and play strength man, Like he had a clip

1087
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: where he's like trying to block down on a three

1088
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: technique and the three technique loops out and like literally

1089
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: just crumples under the ground. So from a movement skills standpoint,

1090
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: like emphatically, yes, but all of these guys, if you

1091
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: don't have the play strength, I'm like, what's going on?

1092
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: You know? What I mean, like, what can we do here?

1093
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: And that's why I feel about him.

1094
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: Did you watch any of Charles Grant, William and Mary?

1095
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: I ask you that? All right? So uh, pass protection,

1096
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: run run blogging. Yeah, that's that's kind of how I

1097
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: felt about.

1098
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: That, dude when you cause I didn't watch them, and

1099
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: we were talking about last night, and so I watched

1100
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: him last night, and dude, he can move, man, he

1101
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: can move around a little bit. He's athletic, he's got

1102
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: a decent feeling pass pro. It's a little over the

1103
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: place developmental because he's playing against like what looks like

1104
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: high school kids sometimes like he's bigger and strong.

1105
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: Yea, because of William and Mary. The top tier competition

1106
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: just isn't there.

1107
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so a dude that you're like, I like you,

1108
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: but technically you got to develop. From a physicality standpoint,

1109
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: I think you're probably got to get a little bit

1110
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: heavier little. I think he weighs two hundred and eighty pounds,

1111
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: looks like two eighty five maybe on film, soh movement

1112
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: skills check, competitive check, physicality check. It's the level of

1113
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: competition and kind of the developmental arc because that's one

1114
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: thing that someone said to me last year is like

1115
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: with a guy from William and Mary, it's three years

1116
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: before he starts. A rookie contract is four years long.

1117
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: So do you want to wait that long and get

1118
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: give somebody else the fruit of your developmental labor? I

1119
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: don't know.

1120
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: But for a later round guy, yeah, Like there are

1121
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: things there where it's like, okay, I see something here,

1122
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: All right, give me, I'm just one more.

1123
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: Ozie Trapilo from Boston College six seven and five eighths,

1124
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty one pounds. He's got ten and

1125
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: a quarter inch hands, but he's got thirty three and

1126
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: a half inch arms. So technically man awesome, technically great,

1127
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: like he moves well, he's big, guy, can set, can

1128
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: get on a double team, They've run all this power

1129
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 1: at Boston College. The thing about him is arm length.

1130
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: Usually for a six to eight guy gotta be like

1131
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: thirty four in charms. So there's times where he's setting

1132
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: and the guy's dipping and it's like you can't even

1133
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: touch that guy because he's so like you're so high

1134
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 1: and he's so low. But in terms of like technical floor,

1135
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: I love him. I love what he does. Very competitive,

1136
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: but again the armleng thing might might relegate him to

1137
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: like a swing tackle type role.

1138
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 2: All right, Elied, I'll give you. I'll give you one

1139
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: more because I'm loving this too much. I like getting

1140
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: in the weeds with you. Jackson Slater is one on.

1141
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: So Jackson Slater. But I also want to talk about

1142
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: Miles Hilton, Like can we talk about.

1143
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got I was the one

1144
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: that put Miles Hilton on there from Michigan. So I'll

1145
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: say real quickly what I saw. I love you hearing

1146
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: what I saw because I'm waiting for you to tell

1147
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: me you're way wrong. But he's a solid player, nice

1148
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 2: physical frame. His superpower is his quick hands and feet.

1149
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: That's what I wrote. Uh, he's aggressive in the run game,

1150
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: but he looks like a high floor tackle at the

1151
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: next level, but really lacks an explosiveness.

1152
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I'd say that's a hundred right. Like when I

1153
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: watched Miles Hilt, I was like, why are people not

1154
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: talking about him? Was like a top ten player because

1155
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: again technically very sound. He's strong. Yeah, he gets it,

1156
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: like I think his dad played thirteen years in the

1157
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: NFL for you know what I mean. So he's got

1158
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: this pedigree and understands what it means to be a pro.

1159
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: That definitely shows up when you watch film. He's got

1160
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: a decent kickset, like he gets good verticality there. He

1161
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: understands the relationship to the quarterback. There's a little bit

1162
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: of stiffness to him, right, which is the thing that

1163
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: limits him. And I wonder about top shelf athleticism, and

1164
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: that's what I ultimately drew back on from not putting

1165
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: him in the top ten because I was like, you're

1166
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: not the athlete. These other guys are yea.

1167
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: And I feel like if he's a guy kind of

1168
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: like Brandon Coleman, it's taken around that time, right, Like great.

1169
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I think the other thing about him is

1170
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: after watching him, I think he'd be a really solid guard.

1171
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: I think you could play tackle on a pinch and

1172
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: so like with Cornelius Lucas potentially moving on, he's a

1173
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: free agent this year and been so good for the Commanders.

1174
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: Do you re sign Cornelius or do you pick up

1175
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: a guy like Miles Hilton, who again has played both

1176
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: tackle spots. Looks like heyes guardability he gets when you

1177
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: watch film, he understands like the timing of a double

1178
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: team where I need to get to on a screen. Again,

1179
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: not the best athlete, but neither was Corney. Neither was

1180
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: Luke like Luke may do with having crazy long arms

1181
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: and knowing what to do at a really high level.

1182
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: And I think he feels like he could be that

1183
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: type of guy. But he to me to your point,

1184
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: he feels like he's ready to go right now, you

1185
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, which is great. So and then

1186
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: you want to do Jackson Slater for second.

1187
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: To say, oh that's this is you love?

1188
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it at the Senior Bowl and I

1189
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: watched him like he just like the anchor, the foot quickness,

1190
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: the like all the technical like hands are snappy, elbows

1191
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: are tight, good bas ability to sink into your hips

1192
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: like anchor versus power quickness to get to the second

1193
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: level like he's got it all played at secondment of

1194
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: say he played left tackle right. He reminds me a

1195
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: lot of Gray's Abel And in some ways, after rewatching

1196
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and watching college film, I like Jackson

1197
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: Slater better as a guard. I think he's going to

1198
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: be a better guard because he's a little bit thicker,

1199
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: a little bit stronger, got a little more pop to him,

1200
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: but I really really liked him. I like a lot

1201
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: on the film. So he's a guy that I just

1202
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: in terms of throwing names out, just keep an eye

1203
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: on him, because like Senior Bowl was good, was better

1204
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: than good, it was great, And I thought his college

1205
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: film was very, very good.

1206
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: I think to put a bow on the offensive tackles

1207
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: here is it just feels like there are a lot

1208
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: of guys here that like they're tackles right in college,

1209
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: but they're probably going to be guards, right, So that

1210
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: could affect like how in comparison to the last year there

1211
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 2: were a lot of like, oh, you're definitely do right right.

1212
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: It could affect how.

1213
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: It moves people were trying to trade up in the

1214
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: first round. We get tackles because there's all these guys

1215
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: that are tackle tackles, tackle tackles, and this is not

1216
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: it's not the same commodity that it was last year

1217
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: at a position of value like these are you know,

1218
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: like I'm on menbu is going to be a good pro.

1219
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: But how high do you want to take a guard? Yeah, exactly.

1220
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: And it will be really interesting to see how this

1221
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: draft plays out with market value for offensive linemen as

1222
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: compared to the year because last year it's hard to

1223
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: compare things to because there were so many good quarterbacks.

1224
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: It just pushes everything down the line.

1225
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: I think we were talking about this Dina and Mobile,

1226
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: like good quarterbacks, great offensive lineman, yeah, great skill position players,

1227
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: like yeah, so you were getting something pushed down to

1228
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: you down the board. There.

1229
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: We look at the Eagles able to get Quinnon, Mitchell,

1230
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: and Cooper Dejane in a class that didn't have the

1231
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: quarterback depth that the last one that they're not falling way.

1232
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: It's not happened.

1233
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: So good for them.

1234
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: They got great players. It's no knock to them, but

1235
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: like also kind of lucky, yeah right, but also for

1236
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: us kind of lucky. Jane and Daniels is number two

1237
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: because in.

1238
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: This Mike Sander.

1239
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: Mike Sander's still there, right, like, but in this class,

1240
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels is number one, like but because of Caleb

1241
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: and I don't know, it's just even Drake May would

1242
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: be number one, I think in this class.

1243
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: So I honestly think like Drake May, JJ McCarthy, probably

1244
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: maybe bo Nicks even like That's where I'm at with

1245
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: this class is like, and I've watched just a little

1246
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: bit of quarterbacks, like or not like those guys, I

1247
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 1: think we've sleep Michael Pennock's junior probably, I think would

1248
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: I think you'd probably take if they were in last

1249
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: year's class. So Caleb Williams and shad Or Sanders were

1250
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: in the last year's class, you're taking them after Michael

1251
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: Pennick junior.

1252
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: I think it's right around there.

1253
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, You're like, oh, like

1254
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: that's that was like the sixth guy on my boy

1255
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know what I mean. Like so, and that.

1256
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: Affects everything, like if there's dominoes everything, So last year,

1257
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: it's hard to compare things last year just because that

1258
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: screws everything up. But I think there are a lot

1259
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: of good offensive linemen here. It's just are they all

1260
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: going to be tackles and because they're not sure that

1261
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: it may fall a little bit down the line.

1262
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: And I totally agree with you. And it's also like rolls,

1263
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: like I think last year was like, oh, this is

1264
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: a left tackle, Like maybe this is your swing guy,

1265
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: and that's a valuable piece for an offense, like having

1266
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: a guy that can play center garden tackle. Like let's

1267
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: say you draft Grey's Abel and you've got guys you

1268
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: like her starting, but he's your swing guy, like and

1269
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: he can develop for two years. Like yeah, Like that's

1270
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: a that's extremely valuable for Washington, right. I know it

1271
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: doesn't seem value, but it's crazy valuable. And I think

1272
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: like that maybe kind of adjust the thinking there. Maybe

1273
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna get a bona fide starter a week

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Speaker 1: one like you would have got last year. But this

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Speaker 1: year it's like, man, if you draft Anthony Belton in

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Speaker 1: the second round, like right before you know, like the

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Speaker 1: last pick of the second round, Dude, there's a guy

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Speaker 1: that could maybe be your left tackle bump bann and

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Speaker 1: Coleman inside just bigger, more fit. You know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what you're thinking about there.

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Speaker 2: So here's the thing I saw. You know, when you

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Speaker 2: get online, you'll look at like what other publications are

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Speaker 2: putting out on like what are team needs? And Washington

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Speaker 2: as team need offensive line? Okay, well every in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: every team your team need is offensive line. I was

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Speaker 2: listening to someone make this argument. I can't remember who

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Speaker 2: it is, but it was like, every year you should

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Speaker 2: be trying to draft an offensive lineman. Relatively high and

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Speaker 2: just keep doing that because you're gonna have guys get hurt,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have guys not work out, and you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have other teams that also need offensive linement. So maybe

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Speaker 2: you get pieces. But the Eagles are great example drafting

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Speaker 2: guys Like before they drafted I'm blakeing on the center.

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Speaker 1: Oh Cam Driggens. They drafted him.

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Speaker 2: Before Kelsey retires, right, so they had a plan in

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Speaker 2: place of Okay, Kelsey's going to eventually retire, Let's get

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Speaker 2: a guy in here and if he pans out and

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Speaker 2: there is a developmental project, we can go right in

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Speaker 2: and we're not missing a beat. And like every team,

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Speaker 2: I think Adam Peters is going to be like that

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Speaker 2: from the draft we saw last year with drafting Johnny Newton,

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Speaker 2: where they did Mike Sanders. Still like, these are some

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Speaker 2: positions where it wasn't like a desperate need was considered,

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Speaker 2: I think, right, but it's like, oh, that's best player available,

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Speaker 2: put him in, we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, And I think that that's this is why

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Speaker 1: the draft's so fun, is like what's the approach, you know?

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Speaker 1: Is it like I think the Las Vegas Raiders last

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Speaker 1: year drafting the tight end from Georgia. His name escapes

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Speaker 1: me at the moment, rock Powers, But like, is that

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Speaker 1: a position to need? No? But is that a good

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Speaker 1: football player? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So like trusting your evaluation, rushing your board, handling free

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Speaker 1: agency well before making sure the rosters filled out so

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Speaker 1: you don't have to draft overdraft for need is extremely important.

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Speaker 1: But I do think like that's one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: I thought it would be good to kind of talk

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Speaker 1: through a lot of these names, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: in the production meeting. Is just there. There is an

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Speaker 1: opportunity here to get some good depth, to get a

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Speaker 1: starting peace, even though it might not feel that way.

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Speaker 1: And I think it'll be really interesting to see how

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Speaker 1: it all falls to the commanders, especially picking later, because

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Speaker 1: now we got to talk about more people. Last year

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Speaker 1: was like, let's talk about Jane Daniels. Now we got

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Speaker 1: to talk about they could take anybody at twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Twenty nine exte you think so?

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Speaker 1: I think it's an exciting time to be a Washington

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Speaker 1: commander show.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, So leave comments, tell us if you

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Speaker 2: agree or disagree. You can definitely disagree with me. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just a guy,

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Speaker 2: but Logan's the expert here. Catch the more in Command Center.

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Speaker 2: You'll be doing more breakdowns and stuff like this. I

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Speaker 2: know you need to check out the get Loud podcasts

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Speaker 2: with Fred Smoot because he's trying to come for your

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Speaker 2: draft Guru is trying, right. He really gets upset that

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Speaker 2: you do all the draft stuff and he doesn't. And

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Speaker 2: we're going to keep coming to you every Monday. Drop

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Speaker 2: what position you would want us to do next, and

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Speaker 2: whoever gets the most I mean, we'll do it because

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Speaker 2: we have really no order.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just started off.

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Speaker 2: That's a lineman beyond right. We think it's a fun one.

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Speaker 2: So we just drop which positions you want us to

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Speaker 2: do next and we'll do them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's going to do it for Toda's show.

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Speaker 1: So thanks so much for joining and make sure you

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Speaker 1: check us out next Monday. That's it.