1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Taken a Walk Podcast on Buzz Night, 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: and we're closing out our Valentine's Week celebration with love 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: songs and heartbreak stories. And today we're exploring love, loss 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: and legacy through a truly unique perspective. Today's guest is 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 2: John Paycheck, son of the legendary country outlaw Johnny Paycheck, 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: and a man who carries forward a remarkable musical heritage 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: while forging his own path. John offers an intimate look 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: into what it's like growing up as the sun of 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: one of country music's most complex and talented figures, a 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: man whose songs about heartbreak, longing, and lost love weren't 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: just performances but reflections of a turbulent life. Johnny Paycheck's 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: catalog is filled with some of the most raw and 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: honest relationship songs in country music, from She's All I 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: Got to Slide Off Your Satin Sheets, songs that expose 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: the messy, painful reality of love and loss. But John 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: paycheck story is also about a different kind of love, 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: the complicated love between a father and son, the love 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: it takes to understand someone's demons while honoring their gifts, 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: and the love required to preserve a legacy while living 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: your own life. This Valentine's Week, we are reminded that 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: love takes many forms, and sometimes the most profound love 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: stories are about family. Coming up next on Taking a Walk, 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: John Paycheck. 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: Well, John Paycheck, Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: So, since we do call this podcast taking a Walk, 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you if you could take a 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: walk with somebody living or dead, somebody involved with music 31 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: but doesn't have to be up to you. 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 5: Who would it be and where would you take a 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 5: walk with him? 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 6: John Boy, I'll tell you that's an interesting one because 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 6: I've got so many facets to my life. There'd be 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 6: people in the military, like people from history that would 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 6: be interesting. But since we're talking about music, I gotta 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 6: say this is going to be probably a ridiculous well 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 6: not a ridiculous answer, but a lame answer, I guess. 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 6: But it probably would be my dad again. And the 41 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 6: reason being is I wasn't in music when he was alive, 42 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 6: and I learned a lot from him. But there are 43 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 6: so many questions I have now and things that I 44 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 6: would like to talk to him about now that that 45 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 6: would be. That would be really cool is to be 46 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 6: able to just walk with him one more time and 47 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 6: talk with him, ask him all these questions and things 48 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 6: that I have now you know again, And that's also 49 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 6: kind of a I guess that's kind of a rite 50 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 6: of passage to as an adult. 51 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: You know, you lose your parents eventually. 52 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 6: And you have a lot of things you wish you 53 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 6: would have had and said and done, but you know, 54 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 6: now we're here and you're you're an orphan once again. 55 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 6: But yeah, no, it's uh that that I think that 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 6: would probably be. That's the first person that came to mind. 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 5: John. 58 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: There's nothing lame about it, uh, And I sometimes try 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: to guess in my own head what the individual might answer. Yeah, 60 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: so it's your answer. It's your life and it's your 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: pop so nothing lame about it, sir. 62 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 6: It'd be interesting if some of somebody living that would 63 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 6: be interesting. It would probably I'd love to talk because 64 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 6: I admire how he does business and how he has 65 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 6: managed his life. Is George Strait, that would be somebody 66 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 6: I would like to talk to you about just how 67 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 6: they've done things and why they've done things a certain way, 68 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 6: as far as just uh, managing well, heck, managing their 69 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 6: life and everything too, because uh, yeah, I I admire 70 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 6: the way he's kept on the good side of things 71 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 6: as far as I can see, you know what I mean. 72 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 6: And he's been very, very responsible. Just seems like a 73 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 6: down to earth, really really good person. 74 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, and has figured out too, in an ever 75 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: changing ecosystem, how to you know, stay true to his 76 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: core but also how to you know, evolve as well. 77 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, hundred percent, Yeah, he really has. 78 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: So talk about your military history and and then maybe 79 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: bring it full circle into some of what that has 80 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: taught you to this. 81 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 5: Day around being you know an artist. 82 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 83 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 6: Well, I started out really in the fire Service as 84 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 6: a firefighter and that was my first experience with an 85 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 6: organization with that military feel. 86 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 4: Right when in after a. 87 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 6: While I got that call to go serve and kind 88 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 6: of stemmed from my grandfather really, but that Greatest Generation 89 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 6: it was nine to eleven, kind of tipped it off 90 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 6: for me to finally just push the button and go. 91 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 6: And yeah, served started out with a heavy armor unit 92 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 6: with Abrams tanks, was there for a short while and 93 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 6: then commissioned, became commissioned officer and went into aviation, well 94 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 6: intelligence first, then in aviation, then intelligence aviation, and then 95 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 6: finally ended up with where I'm at now, which is 96 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 6: back in intelligence. But flew black Hawks, was with an 97 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 6: assault unit, flew Kiawa Warrior, flew the C twelve, which 98 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 6: is a fixed wing aircraft King Air. It's a King Air, 99 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 6: two props and everything going out, looking at doing circles 100 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 6: and looking at bad guys and tell them where the 101 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 6: tell them the good guys where the bad guys are, 102 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff, collecting information at all. How 103 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 6: did it get back to music? Well, I had gotten 104 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 6: to a point where the it's it's a regimented life 105 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 6: to a degree within the army, and it's it's, uh, 106 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 6: you're you're told what to do, but you're also doing 107 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 6: things on your own as well, and there's some creativity there, 108 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 6: but it's not the same type of creativity. 109 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: It's not the artistic creativity. And I missed that. 110 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 6: I had gone to a an opening at the Country 111 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 6: Music Hall of Fame and it was an outlaw exhibit 112 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 6: they were doing, and had met up with a bunch 113 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 6: of people that I hadn't seen in a long time. 114 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 6: Shooter Shooter Jennings was one of them. Tyler Coe and 115 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 6: met up with them afterwards, was talking with them, and 116 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 6: I missed that camaraderie, that type of camaraderie. I missed 117 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 6: the music business a little, not the business, but more 118 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 6: of the art. And uh yeah, it kind of steered 119 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 6: me back to doing this and here I am back 120 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 6: to doing music and back to touring and creating, creating 121 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 6: albums and everything else. Which, yeah, it's been fun, it's 122 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 6: been interesting, and we're trying to make a run of 123 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 6: it as far as as far as we can. 124 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: I guess when you talk to somebody like a Shooter Jennings, 125 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: who obviously, like you, comes from a household that was 126 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: a music household, any similarities to his journey to yours 127 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: as you have gotten to know him. 128 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, me and Shooter we have. 129 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 6: There's a lot of similarities, honestly. I mean I remember 130 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 6: being around him when I was much much younger. 131 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 4: We were both young. 132 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, your parents are gone all the time, 133 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 6: you kind of learned to grow up a little a 134 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 6: little earlier than than most. I'm from that generation too, 135 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 6: where we were you know, latchkey kids, so a lot 136 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 6: of us grew up a little quicker than most. So 137 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 6: there's there's that, but uh yeah, no, we uh there's 138 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 6: some chaos in the household too that we all have. 139 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 4: That's similar. 140 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 6: Me and Tyler have a lot of similarities as well, 141 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 6: growing up, just with some of the craziness. Uh Whylan 142 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 6: didn't didn't stray too far from from uh acting like 143 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 6: a country singer. 144 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: And Dad did. 145 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 6: Dad kind of went off, kind of thought he was 146 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 6: a pirate there for a little while, you know, doing 147 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 6: just ridiculous things. But it was just part of that 148 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 6: time and who they were in the business and everything else. 149 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 6: But uh yeah, I mean there were times when bills 150 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 6: didn't get paid, a home and you didn't have electricity, 151 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 6: or you didn't you know, or you know, dad didn't 152 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 6: come home because he was you know, outroaring. But things 153 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 6: things happened. It just is what it is. And yeah, yeah, 154 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 6: you grow up with it, and yeah, I learned to 155 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 6: accept it. But uh, me and me and Tyler probably 156 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 6: a little more similar, Me and Shooter as far as 157 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 6: the music stuff and being around you know, famous people 158 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 6: and all that. Yeah, we got that in common. Yeah, 159 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 6: and it's comforting too to be around somebody who gets it. 160 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: You know. There's a there's a club I guess you 161 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: could call. 162 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 6: It of us that that's just we all identify really 163 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 6: well and understand how how each other. 164 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: I will say this, there is a little bit. 165 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 6: There are some there's there's there's that culture, and then 166 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 6: there's two other types of cultures within this within the 167 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 6: music business. And then when you have the ultra ultra 168 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 6: ultra famous types and they were making millions of dollars, 169 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 6: that family is going to be a little bit different 170 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 6: than the ones that were going through hard times and 171 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 6: lost everything, and you know, so there's there's a little 172 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 6: bit of difference there, but not much, not much. 173 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: So growing up as the son of Johnny Paycheck that 174 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: can you describe the earliest. 175 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 5: Memories of music in your in your household? 176 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 6: With the earliest one I remembers, I was heck, I 177 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 6: wasn't like I wasn't even in kindergarten yet. Actually even 178 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 6: before that though, I actually thought about this for that, 179 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 6: I remember when I was just a little one, being 180 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 6: on the road and being on a tour bus and 181 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 6: things like that. I am that that definitely kind of 182 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 6: started shaping my. 183 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 4: View of the world a little bit. 184 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 6: But as far as music, it's it's funny because you 185 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 6: don't realize that your parents are famous until way later 186 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 6: in life, and uh, you don't realize just how influential 187 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 6: or how creative they were because they were just dad. 188 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 4: You know. It was that was dad. That was dad's job. 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 4: That's what he did. 190 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 6: It was you know, you kind of thought at one point, 191 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 6: you think everybody does this, but it's yeah, it becomes 192 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 6: very evident later that that's that's. 193 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 4: Oh, no, he was. He was actually unique. 194 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 5: You know. 195 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 6: But I remember when I was a little one, just 196 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 6: going and playing his guitar and playing with it and 197 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 6: you know, learning about it and things like that from 198 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 6: very very young age, even before I wasn't even in 199 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 6: like kindergarten. So but yeah, music was always always around 200 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 6: the house and Dad was always either writing or you know, resting. 201 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 4: So it was pretty much the way it was. 202 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 5: Because your dad was on the road, it's hunt, wasn't he. 203 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that was uh, that was pretty much what 204 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 6: he lived. He lived for touring and being out in 205 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 6: front of a crowd and entertaining. So and that was 206 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 6: also how he made an income. 207 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 5: Right. 208 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 6: Mom didn't work. She was a stay at home mom, 209 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 6: so or an entertainer's wife. But uh, yeah, he was. 210 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 6: He was always on the road, always touring. 211 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, so the pressure of living up to being 212 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: the uh, might as well just get with it, right, 213 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: being the the son of a famous performer. How have 214 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: you dealt with that through your life? 215 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 4: Well? 216 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 6: It it didn't affect really much in the fire service 217 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 6: or in the in the military, besides some ribbing and 218 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 6: you know, just people being you know kind of like, whoa, really, 219 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 6: that's that's who your dad is. 220 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, yeah, that's that's it. And off we go, 221 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: you know, just doing whatever we do. 222 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 6: Now, coming back to music, I've had some critics that 223 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 6: have been a little harsh, Oh he's not like his father, 224 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 6: and it's like, well, no, no kidding, I'm not my father. 225 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 6: I was like, And and for that critic who was 226 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 6: writing those comments, by the way, you're not Shakespeare either, 227 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 6: so I mean, what are you going to do? You know, so, 228 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 6: you know, comparing me to someone that is was so 229 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 6: so influential and such a great writer and everything else, 230 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 6: it's kind of it's a fool's errand doesn't make sense. 231 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 6: It's you know, I stand on my own merits and 232 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 6: what I do, so judge me for you know, the 233 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 6: people that I am my peers now, which would make 234 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 6: sense because you know, who's judging anybody against like George 235 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 6: Jones or or you know, Johnny Paycheck or Whalen or 236 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 6: anybody that's kind of foolish and and and for as 237 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 6: great as they were, they were also just human as well, 238 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 6: and they were just doing what they could, you know. 239 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 6: So there's plenty of great singers and entertainers out there. 240 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 6: As far as me, I don't. It got to me 241 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 6: a little bit in the beginning. And the main concern 242 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 6: I had was not wanting to let my family down. 243 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 6: My family just named my legacy and all that stuff. 244 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 6: I didn't want to disappoint you body, especially my mom, 245 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 6: who was around when I started out. But you know, 246 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 6: as I got more into it, you know, and she, 247 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 6: my mom, was very critic So yeah, she would have 248 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 6: let me known right away. It is like, oh, the 249 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 6: same for you if I if it was you know, 250 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 6: if that was the case. She never never buy any chance, 251 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 6: would would lie to me about anything like that. And 252 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 6: she was she was pleasantly surprised and said, no, you know, 253 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 6: because I didn't sing around them. 254 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 4: I didn't, uh, you. 255 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 6: Know, I played instruments and things like that, and they 256 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 6: all thought I was My mom and dad thought I 257 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 6: was a good musician, but you know, I never I 258 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 6: just never sang around them, singing some choirs and things 259 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 6: like that, but never like anything a solo. So they 260 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 6: never really got a chance to hear me do that until, 261 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 6: you know, until I did this, and Mom was surprised. 262 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: She she was happy with it. 263 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 6: And you know, her biggest advice to me was she's like, well, 264 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 6: your name will get you in the door. She's like, 265 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 6: you got to be able to stay in the room. 266 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 6: So she's like, you can't back down. You have to 267 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 6: keep working at this and keep keep crafting its. He's like, 268 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 6: but she's like, I think you'll do fine. So yeah, 269 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 6: as far as everyone else, it doesn't really matter. 270 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 5: You know. 271 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 6: It's like it's okay, Well, people have their opinions. People 272 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 6: want me to I don't like being viewed as a 273 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 6: tribute act, and I absolutely refuse to be a tribute act. 274 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 6: I've only this year started putting a few songs to 275 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 6: Dad's in the in the show because I started feeling 276 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 6: bad because people want to hear some of his stuff. 277 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 6: So I'm like, okay, fine, I'll do some of his 278 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 6: songs too. And that only came actually after talking with 279 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 6: Ned Ludo and his manager about how us as children 280 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 6: really have the most right to be able to sing 281 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 6: our parents' songs. 282 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 4: And I was like, well, that's a kind of a 283 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 4: good point. Didn't really think of it that way. 284 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 6: And you know, it's kind of up to us to 285 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 6: keep that going, you know, because I mean, if you 286 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 6: think about it, if the if, the the Cash family, 287 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 6: you know, of all them, if if they never would 288 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 6: have done any kept that music going, then it would 289 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 6: have it would have faded. 290 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 4: Right, So I don't know. 291 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's an interesting thing being compared, but yeah, 292 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 6: who cares. 293 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 4: People are gonna do what they're gonna do. 294 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Right on, we'll be right back with more of the 295 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a 296 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: Walk Podcast. 297 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: So you had a unique perspective, uh, being a runner 298 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: to a guitar tech and kind of getting a sense 299 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: of the behind the scenes aspect of touring and the 300 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 3: music business. 301 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 5: That must to this day still shape you as you 302 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 5: have an appreciation that's unique for those that are working 303 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 5: on your behalf around you. 304 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, it's a it's funny, you know, you'll 305 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 6: get other artists who they'll look at. 306 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 4: You and be like, well, you need to pay your dues. 307 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 6: He's like, man, I've been paying my dues before you 308 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 6: were even in the business. It's like I was a 309 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 6: guitar at tech, I was a roadie, and Dad didn't 310 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 6: show favoritism. I got treated just like anybody else in 311 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 6: the band. So yeah, it has shaped the way. That 312 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 6: has shaped the way I treat my band. But it 313 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 6: also what has shaped it is, you know, being a 314 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 6: military leader as well. It's first and foremost and priority 315 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 6: that we take care of our soldiers and we take 316 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 6: care of our people. So there have been a few 317 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 6: gigs where I've walked away with nothing because I made 318 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 6: sure the band's paid. I make sure that they have 319 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 6: hotel rooms. I make sure that they're taking care of 320 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 6: that they get per diem on the days off and 321 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 6: things like that, because you know, I mean, they're the 322 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 6: ones that help you get where you're going, you know. 323 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 6: Without the band, I mean, yeah, I could go out 324 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 6: and do solo as and just play acoustic guitar, but 325 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 6: there's so much more energy and it's so much more 326 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 6: fun and for me and for the listener to have 327 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 6: that big band. There's right it's the same reason why 328 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 6: I won't compromise. And I don't like not having a 329 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 6: steel guitar and and not having a fiddle. I want 330 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 6: both of those in my music right. 331 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: So it just it. 332 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 6: Adds so much more. It's it's it's important to me 333 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 6: so and taking care of everybody. I couldn't do this. 334 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 6: I couldn't live with myself if I were to not 335 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 6: do that. It's just yeah, and Dad did that too. 336 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 6: Dad always took care of the band. You always make 337 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 6: sure everbody was always taken care of. I learned from 338 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 6: that as well. I the man would have gave the 339 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 6: shirt off his back for others, and he did at times. 340 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 6: So that shaped it. The military shaped it. Yeah, that's 341 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 6: that's just how I how I run things. 342 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: Who are some of those other visionaries or artists obviously, 343 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: aside from from your father you mentioned, you know, like Tyler, 344 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 3: But who are some of the other folks that you 345 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 3: really look at today? 346 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 5: And and and Meyer? 347 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, well definitely, Like I said, George Strait, I really 348 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 6: liked the way he has has managed his career in 349 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 6: what he's done. I look kind of back to you know, 350 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 6: Roy Rogers. That might sound odd, but he was he 351 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 6: he had a lot of unique and cool ideas and 352 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 6: the way he did things, and I know a lot 353 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 6: of it was the movie career too, got that, But yeah, 354 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 6: I liked I liked his honesty and how he how 355 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 6: he just you know, kept to the cowboy code and 356 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 6: all that it was. It hit him and Dale really really. 357 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 4: Cool cool people. 358 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 5: Well you you earlier referenced the Cash family, so I 359 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 5: would have I would assume within the Cash family there's somebody. 360 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 4: Definitely the Cash family. 361 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 6: The way they've kept everything alive and going and have 362 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 6: kept their their their the father's legacy a lot alive 363 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 6: and flourishing, is something that I admire. 364 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 4: I think that's it's a good thing. 365 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 6: I know it's a business thing, and some people will say, well, yeah, 366 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 6: it's about keeping the money going, but it's I'm telling you, 367 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 6: for a lot of us, it isn't about keeping money going. 368 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 6: It is about keeping their memory alive, and it's about 369 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 6: wanting to make sure the future generations can hear that 370 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 6: music and appreciate it. 371 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 5: Right. 372 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 6: It's the same reason why I keep hoping, I keep 373 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 6: hoping Dad will make it into the Hall of Fame 374 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 6: because he's a Hall of Fame and get there. He 375 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 6: should get there on his merits, not for the couple 376 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 6: the crazy things that he did, right, he did some 377 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 6: goofy things, We got all that, But he did so 378 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 6: much that people just I don't think realize within the 379 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 6: history of country music and affected other artists from Ray Price, 380 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 6: George Jones and up and through, you know, even modern 381 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 6: day artists like Tracy Bird. 382 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 4: So I mean modern. I guess he's not modern anymore, 383 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 4: is he? 384 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 6: But anyway, yeah, well modern for me nineties guy, but 385 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 6: uh yeah, it's uh, those are some of the ones, 386 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 6: you know that affect the way I do things and 387 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 6: how I view things. 388 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: Heck, Danny Shirley from Confederate Railroad. 389 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 6: He he's another one that's kind of started to you know, 390 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 6: gear my focus my career and move my career a 391 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 6: little bit just because of me and him talking and 392 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 6: him you know, offering advice and things like that. He 393 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 6: was the first one that really, uh, for a working 394 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 6: act that's still out there. He was one of the 395 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 6: first ones that ever called me up and was just 396 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 6: asking like, hey, how you doing and how things going, 397 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 6: and so you're taking on music and you know, how's 398 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 6: that going, and just just offering friendly advice and he's 399 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 6: you know, not asking for nothing, just just being friendly. 400 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 6: So that's another good thing about the country music industry 401 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 6: as well, the country music business business industry. I don't 402 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 6: know how to say the community. Sure, yeah, exactly. It's 403 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 6: it's small really in the in the grand scheme of things, 404 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 6: it's small. And you know, a lot of the players 405 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 6: in this business are very friendly and good people and 406 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 6: uh are willing to help. 407 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 4: You know, it's not as cutthroat as he might think. 408 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 6: When you get into the business pieces of it, with 409 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 6: the actual business people, it can be. But even then 410 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 6: there's there's there's a lot of really good people in 411 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 6: this business. 412 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 5: I'm shocked at what you said earlier. I did not 413 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 5: realize that your dad is not in the Country Music 414 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. 415 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, his memorabilia's in the museum, the show of guitar 416 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 6: and some things, and I know they've got some things 417 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 6: in archive as well. 418 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 4: But he has not been inducted. And yeah, it's a shame. 419 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 6: But I'm told that every year he comes up on 420 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 6: the ballad and he gets close, so hopefully one year 421 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 6: he'll he'll uh, he'll make it in. 422 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 3: How do you think he would view that information, or 423 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: that he is viewing this that information as we speak. 424 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 4: I don't know if he would care. He just you know, 425 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 4: those things are nice. 426 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 6: But what really, really honestly meant something to him was 427 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 6: being able to go out there and sing and perform. 428 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 6: And that didn't affect that. So I'll tell you what 429 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 6: he loved. He loved being a member of the Grand 430 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 6: Ole Opry. He was so thrilled that night when he 431 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 6: got inducted, and he was so happy to be able 432 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 6: to say he was a member of the grand o Lopry, 433 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 6: which you know, twenty years before that he didn't care 434 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 6: for the Opry and it was a institution and all 435 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 6: this other stuff. But I mean the seventies were different, right, 436 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 6: So yeah, his view as he got more mature and 437 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 6: wised up and then also got clean changed, So yeah, 438 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 6: he realized, I mean, what a great institution the Grand 439 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 6: Opry is. I know they've got there's some turmoil around 440 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 6: it with other artists and things like that, but I mean, overall, yeah, 441 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 6: the Grand Ole Opry is a is an amazing institution. 442 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: So congrats on the new album More Days Behind. First 443 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 3: of all, you you co wrote much of it with 444 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: or all of it with with Scott Gabby, what was 445 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: that writing process like for that project? 446 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 6: So on the first album, on this album, on the 447 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 6: next one one after that, I write most everything, or 448 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 6: a co writes every co write everything, and me and Scott. 449 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 6: Me and Scott have known each other for a long 450 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 6: time since we were kids, and we actually had a 451 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 6: heavy metal band together when we were kids, so we've 452 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 6: known each other quite a while, and writing with him 453 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 6: is just really really easy. 454 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 4: We all sat. 455 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 6: Down and, uh, you know, depending on what we're going 456 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 6: to write, we may have some whiskey with us, or 457 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 6: we may just sit there with a soda, depends on 458 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 6: depends on what we're writing, and yeah, we'll we'll just 459 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 6: start pitching stuff back and forth and go from there. 460 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 6: That's that's really kind of how simple it is. But 461 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 6: the idea for the album is a little more a 462 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 6: little more complex because what I'll do is, you know, 463 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 6: I'll say, well, for this album, I want twelve songs, 464 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 6: and I'll start drafting out a skeleton, almost like if 465 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 6: I'm writing a book, where it's like I want this 466 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 6: chapter to be about this, and this to be about this. 467 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 6: That's that's kind of how I do with writing an album. 468 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 6: Where I'll say, well, I want to want to love ballad, 469 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 6: I want a Rodeo song, I want this, I want that, 470 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 6: and we'll go through it that way. And one thing 471 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 6: is I always I like Western history, American West history. 472 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 6: So I usually try to have at least one song 473 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 6: that touches on a figure from that time, somebody that 474 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 6: I find interesting and maybe nobody's heard about. 475 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 4: And I do that. 476 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 6: But yeah, in this one, we had a murder ballad, 477 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 6: which was something unique for me. I was a little 478 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 6: worried about putting that out, but yeah, that's it turned out, okay. Yeah, 479 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 6: So yeah, that's that's kind of how the writing writing works. 480 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 6: We lock ourselves away for a couple of months and 481 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 6: come out with a come out with an album full 482 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 6: of songs. I mean, and we're writing all the time, 483 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 6: especially when we're on the road. He's also my rhythm 484 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 6: guitarist in the band, and uh, we we may be 485 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 6: sitting on the bush and cope with the idea and 486 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 6: we'll sit back there and try to strum through it 487 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 6: and figure out the basic form of it and and 488 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 6: get something, get something down. 489 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 4: But yeah, it happens all throughout the year. 490 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 6: But yeah, there's definitely a process, a little bit, a 491 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 6: little bit of a process there when we start getting close. 492 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 4: To album time. 493 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 5: You mentioned George Straight earlier and you cover when Did 494 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 5: You Stop Loving Me? 495 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 4: Uh? 496 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 5: For the album? Talk about what that song means to you? 497 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 6: Well, it was, it was definitely, Uh, it was cool 498 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 6: doing that and uh, George Jones covered it as well. 499 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 6: He did it after after Straight did. It didn't do 500 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 6: as well for George, but George Jones, but. 501 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, that one was off of it was. It was 502 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 4: in the movie too. 503 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 6: That George did, and that's where I first heard it. 504 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 6: And man, I've always just like I said, I've always 505 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 6: loved George's music, and it was it was neat to 506 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 6: be able to and intimidating, neat and intimidating to do 507 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 6: something that he did and try to try to make 508 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 6: it at least close to his good. 509 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 4: Definitely not as good, but close to his good. 510 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 6: And hopefully hopefully somebody has in his camp has went. 511 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 6: Paycheck's kid covered your song and he and he got 512 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 6: to chuck a lot of it. 513 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know, so. 514 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure he'll hear about it, Yeah, no doubt. 515 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 6: I mean, he he covered Dad's old violin and and 516 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 6: he would play it in the shows and everything. And 517 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 6: I remember when his people contacted me about that, They're like, hey, 518 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 6: we need the rights to be able to do this. 519 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 6: I was like, oh, most definitely sure, and he did. 520 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 6: He did a good job with that. He was probably 521 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 6: one of the few. That song is really important to 522 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 6: my family because it was dad's funeral song, and there's 523 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 6: very few people that have sang it that I like 524 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 6: the way they sing it. I didn't mind the way 525 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 6: he sang it. 526 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 3: So have you heard George Strait's version of the Tom 527 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 3: Petty song You Wreck Me? 528 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? I saw We saw him at uh In. 529 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 6: We were at Me and my wife were at National 530 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 6: Finals Rodeo this year in Vegas and we saw the 531 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 6: We saw the show in Vegas, and that's where I 532 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 6: heard him sing it. 533 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: I was just like, man, that's really cool. It was 534 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 4: really neat. 535 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 5: What a version that is? 536 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 4: My God. 537 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 5: Talk about some of the other songs you want to 538 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 5: highlight from the album. 539 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 6: Well, I'm real proud right now, especially of Foolish Ways 540 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 6: that one. I wrote from the perspective of somebody who 541 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 6: is either uh in depression, suffering from depression badly, or 542 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 6: as possibly an addict. It's from that perspective where you 543 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 6: just don't really believe what people are telling you, that 544 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 6: things don't feel like they're going to get better, and 545 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 6: you understand what people think, but there's not much you 546 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 6: can do about it. It's it's that feeling. And I've 547 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 6: been there, so I get I get I get it, 548 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 6: trust me. But we released the new video on that 549 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 6: one this uh this beginning of the month, and uh 550 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 6: we also were donating the money, uh any any of 551 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 6: the royalties I make off of it this month and 552 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 6: everything we're going to uh the American Association for Health 553 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 6: and Wellness. Yeah, so yeah, we're we're doing that. But 554 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 6: real proud of that song. 555 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 4: I like that song. 556 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 6: Uh, I thought I thought it came out, Okay. I 557 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 6: also like More Days Behind. More Days Behind. It's fun 558 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 6: and it's the title track, but it's it's fun because 559 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 6: it is a kind of an awakening of you know, hey, 560 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 6: I've lived this long. There are more days behind me 561 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 6: than there are in front of me now, and it's 562 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 6: like I never really thought of that until just now, 563 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 6: And it's kind of just talks about you know, you 564 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 6: need to kind of appreciate what you got and try 565 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 6: to make the best of what what's left and what 566 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 6: are you gonna do with it? 567 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 5: You know? 568 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 4: So that's that's that's what that song is about. 569 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 6: It. It's got a happy vibe and tone to it, 570 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 6: so it's not depressing. It's it's more of a it's like, okay, 571 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 6: well why be depressed about it? This is just where 572 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 6: you're at. So you know, we're all doing the same thing. 573 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 6: So so yeah, that those two. 574 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 4: Tracks, I like, real well, the murder Ballot's pretty good. 575 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 6: But again, uh, it's not an actual it's it's a 576 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 6: made up story. So everybody, this is not something I 577 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 6: think about doing. It's it's it's it's a good song 578 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 6: though it's a good story. 579 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 4: We wrote it kind of like. 580 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 6: A we we listened to some oh the podcast or 581 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 6: not podcast, the uh the true crime shows and stuff. 582 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 4: We were listening to some. 583 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 6: Of that, and uh, that's where we got some of 584 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 6: the ideas, and we're like, man, this is it'd be 585 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 6: kind of interesting to write a song this way, like 586 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 6: a like a true crime story, and that that's that's 587 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 6: what we were attempting. Came out good, came out good. 588 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 6: It's uh, it's a little little shocking towards the end. 589 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 6: But yeah, that's an. 590 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 4: Interesting one too. White Lights was good. Let me bring 591 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 4: up that one too, White Lights. I like that one. 592 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 6: That's my only trucking song right now, and I like 593 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 6: I like, I like trucking songs. 594 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 4: But I took that one as. 595 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 6: A a trucker kind of running away from a bad 596 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 6: relationship type type thing, and yeah, it turned out it 597 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 6: turned out good too. 598 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 4: So all of this is thanks to Bill McDermott. 599 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 6: He's my producer there in Nashville, and it's all thanks 600 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 6: to him and the session musicians and everything else, because 601 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 6: without them, none of this would come out the way 602 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 6: we we have it. 603 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 4: It's it comes out great. 604 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 5: So and coming to a city near you also, you'll 605 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 5: be hitting the road. 606 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, we we're all over the place right now. 607 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 6: Well we've slowed down here for this month, try to 608 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 6: catch our breath after we were just out in New Mexico. 609 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 6: But yeah, we're we're gonna be a lot of Texas dates. 610 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 6: All my dates and everything are up on my bands 611 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 6: in town and on my website and at johnpaycheck dot com. 612 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 4: It's easy easy to find. 613 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's been a nice response 614 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 6: this year. We're getting getting more dates and building as 615 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 6: we go here hopefully you know, it just keeps building. 616 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 6: And yeah, well I want to get to this medium 617 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 6: level of success where I can, you know, take care 618 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 6: of the band and everybody and we're we're all making 619 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 6: you know, an okay wage and able to get our 620 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 6: music out there to everybody and have good time. 621 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 3: So goals for the next chapter of your career, both 622 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 3: in the studio and on the road. 623 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're gonna start right well, we started writing already, 624 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 6: but we're gonna start writing for the next album because 625 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 6: there'll be another one next year. I'm trying to do 626 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 6: one every other year. I was trying to do one 627 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 6: every year, but with that time, schedule gets really cramped, 628 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 6: so we're doing one every other year. 629 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 4: I want to at least do three more albums. 630 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 6: It's for a total of five, and then we'll kind 631 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 6: of reevaluate what we're doing at that point. But yeah, 632 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 6: another album next year. Touring, we're just trying to keep 633 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 6: building on that. 634 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 4: Every year. 635 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 6: I tour from May till about mid November every year, 636 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 6: and the rest of that time there I want my 637 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 6: band and everybody to go home and be with families, 638 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 6: and spend time for the holidays and not have to 639 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 6: think about when am I coming off the road, when 640 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 6: I'm going to go back on the road. 641 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 3: Well, John, congrats on more days behind. Thank you so 642 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 3: much for the service that well you and your wife 643 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: really give to our country nothing and thank you for 644 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 3: the music that you give us as well. Really appreciate 645 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 3: you taking the time to be on Taking a Walk. 646 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 4: No, thank you for having me. 647 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 648 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 649 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,479 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 650 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 651 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts.