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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 1: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal, we do soccer.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back with thank you. I appreciate it. Had an

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Speaker 1: amazing trip. Love Japan.

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Speaker 3: Ohi ghos imas as they say in Japan in terms

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Speaker 3: of good morning. Very difficult language and incredible country. For

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Speaker 3: everybody out there, if you have the opportunity, please do,

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Speaker 3: especially if you live in California. It's the same flight

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Speaker 3: time to Europe. What are you doing? Why are you

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Speaker 3: find a Paris?

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Speaker 1: Are London? Go to Tokyo, same flight time.

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Speaker 4: I would love to go to Tokyo.

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Speaker 1: It is hands down my favorite country I've ever visited it.

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Speaker 3: I think'm gonna do a monologue tomorrow about everything that

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Speaker 4: And you saw some pressures and I love you, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you Arigato.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, really showing off my conversational Japanese that I

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Speaker 1: But no, it was.

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Speaker 3: It is one of the most stunningly beautiful countries I

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Speaker 3: have ever visited. Unique culture, cuisine, history sites, everything about them.

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Speaker 3: I love the way that they live life. So thank

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Speaker 3: you Japan. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Well we missed you while you were gone.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you got it wonderful as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, there's a lot to talk about this morning.

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Speaker 2: So we got the news last night Hunter Biden is

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Speaker 2: going to be pardoned by his father. That has sparked

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Speaker 2: As you know, multiple powers are distracted, whether in Ukraine

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Speaker 3: Wasn't so shocking President Biden issuing a pardon for his

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Speaker 3: to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled

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Speaker 3: his case came about only after several of my political

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Speaker 3: Hunter was singled out only because he is my son,

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Speaker 3: and that is wrong. There have been an effort to

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Speaker 3: even in the face of unlimiting and tax and selective prosecution.

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Speaker 3: In trying to break Hunter, they have tried to break me.

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Speaker 3: And there's no reason to believe it will stop here,

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Speaker 3: and that is enough. For my entire career. I have

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Speaker 3: couldn't you. And it also flies a little bit in

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Speaker 3: White House spokesperson Karine Jean Pierre said on multiple occasions

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Speaker 2: First briefing, since Hunter was indicted again in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 5: As we sit here in Normandy, your son Hunter is

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Speaker 5: Matter what it is. Yes, And have you ruled out

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Speaker 1: Would I do it too? Absolutely most people would.

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Speaker 3: But the preening the states that, you know, there's viral

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 3: Fine, you know, the idea of president's pardon is already

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Speaker 3: an insane thing. Why it's exactly in the Constitution basically

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Speaker 3: It's an insane tradition in the late in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Abused by basically every abused by every president literally ever,

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Speaker 3: Okay, in terms, look at the number of insane pardons

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Speaker 3: The point is that every president has abused it. Every

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Speaker 3: So fine, whatever, Biden, You're just like abody else. But

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Speaker 3: the jury's decision. So the little juxtaposition there, especially in

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Speaker 3: As you said, a very consequential appointment. Man, I was

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Speaker 3: In this regard, Donald Trump says, I am proud to

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Speaker 6: Your cops, go be cops. Go chase down murderers and

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Speaker 6: drug dealers and violent offenders. What do you need seven

443
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Speaker 6: thousand people there for? Same thing with de Ojenny. What

444
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Speaker 6: are all these people doing here? Looking for the next

445
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Speaker 6: government promotion, looking for their next fancy government title, looking

446
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Speaker 6: for their parachute out of government. So while you're bringing

447
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Speaker 6: in the right people, you also have to shrink. We

448
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Speaker 6: need a twenty four to seven declassification office, roll in

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Speaker 6: papers out twenty four to seven, and not just like

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Speaker 6: tick Orta, and not just nine to eleven and you're

451
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Speaker 6: talking to the guy that's read the whole nine eleven

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Speaker 6: report and those seven pages of people talk about But

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Speaker 6: I believe, as like the guy who is an intel

454
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Speaker 6: guy who believes wholeheartedly in the classified system of information,

455
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Speaker 6: I believe that it has been over abused by these

456
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Speaker 6: corrupt officials in government to hide the truth and the

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Speaker 6: and enact more corrupt activities. We will follow the facts

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Speaker 6: and the law and go to courts of law and

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Speaker 6: correct these justices and lawyers who have been prosecuting these

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Speaker 6: cases based on pololitics and actually issue doing them as lawfare.

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Speaker 5: We will go.

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Speaker 6: Out and find the conspirators, not just in government, but

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Speaker 6: in the media. Yes, we're going to come after the

464
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Speaker 6: people in the media who lied about American citizens, who

465
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Speaker 6: helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections. We're going to come

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Speaker 6: after you. Whether it's criminal or civilly, we'll figure that out.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. He's also been selling books. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this on the screen.

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Speaker 3: He's got a children's book currently out, The Plot against

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Speaker 3: the King, written by Cash Patel, which details the actions

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Speaker 3: against Donald Trump. I mean, look, let's not sugarcoated. Cash

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Speaker 3: is a loyalist. That's that's pretty much.

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Speaker 1: What he is. Yeah, and I think that's whatever.

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Speaker 3: It's fine, I guess, especially in the context of what

475
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Speaker 3: we just talked about with Hunter Biden, he will face

476
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Speaker 3: some difficulty in confirmation. So, just to explain the FBI

477
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Speaker 3: directors their term is actually basically Chris ray is set

478
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Speaker 3: to serve three more years after his confirmation. What would

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Speaker 3: have to happen Donald Trump A course, as the President

480
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Speaker 3: has the prerogative to fire Christopher Ray as as the

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Speaker 3: director of the FBI. This indicates that he will on

482
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Speaker 3: day one and then put forward Cash Bettel as the nominee. Now,

483
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Speaker 3: whether his confirmation goes through is a very open question,

484
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Speaker 3: but at the very least he would have the ability

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Speaker 3: to serve as the acting director of the FBI for

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Speaker 3: two hundred and ten days after his appointment.

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Speaker 1: It's a possible that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's certainly possible to get confirmed, right,

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Speaker 3: he actually could get fifty some senators. I personally think

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Speaker 3: it will be as difficult as the Matt Gates and

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Speaker 3: the RFK junior ones, just because of this certain makeup

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Speaker 3: of the Justice the Oversight Committee in the Senate and

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Speaker 3: people like Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, people like John Cornyn

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Speaker 3: as well, who as a senior position in that. But

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Speaker 3: if Trump wants it to happen, it's very possible that

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Speaker 3: it could happen. I mean, it seems likely right now

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Speaker 3: that Bobby Kennedy and Pete Hesath are going to make

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Speaker 3: their way through. They seem to have the votes from

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Speaker 3: the people that I've spoken to. And the one of

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Speaker 3: the reasons that Matt Gates dropped out is he was

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Speaker 3: the He was the one person where even after JD

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Speaker 3: took him to the Senate and they had all the meetings,

503
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Speaker 3: they were like, it's not going to happen. So, Kasha,

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Speaker 3: it certainly looks possible. He would, I believe, be one

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Speaker 3: of the first directors of the FBI to not actually

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Speaker 3: have previously served as an agent, where all previous ones

507
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Speaker 3: had had a long career in the bureau. But to

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Speaker 3: be honest, I view, I mean, you know, last time

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Speaker 3: I was here, what I kept saying is I think

510
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Speaker 3: people should get what they voted for, and should get

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Speaker 3: and actually get to see what actual trump Ism in

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Speaker 3: practice looks like. It's about blowing shit up, and that's

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Speaker 3: what Cash Betel is, So I say, confirm him let's

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Speaker 3: see it. I mean, he wants to blow up the FBI,

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Speaker 3: declassify all this stuff. He genuinely is I think it's

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Speaker 3: fair to say, like an actual enemy of at least

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Speaker 3: you know, quote unquote the deep state, et cetera. He's for,

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Speaker 3: you know, d classic case and transparency.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, great. You as a member of the media,

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be fantastic. So I hope that's confirmed.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see it.

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Speaker 2: So Ken Klippenstein, our friend wrote a report about he

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Speaker 2: read Cash's book and watch a bunch of his appearances

524
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Speaker 2: and whatever, and what he points out is while the

525
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Speaker 2: language is very sort of adversarial to the deep state,

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Speaker 2: even in that clip that we played where he's like,

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Speaker 2: take the seven thousand people here, and it's not fire

528
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Speaker 2: though or firesome portion of them. It's send them about

529
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Speaker 2: the country, so keep it in place, just not in DC.

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Speaker 2: And what he gleaned from his book was that, you know,

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Speaker 2: and this won't be a surprise to anyone, he doesn't

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Speaker 2: actually want to blow up the deep state. He wants

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Speaker 2: to weaponize it against Trump's adversaries, which is part of

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Speaker 2: what he talks about there. I mean, I think this

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Speaker 2: is a pick that says yes, all of the things

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Speaker 2: that I said about retribution. I mean, and this is

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Speaker 2: going to be one of my weapons in the arsenal

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Speaker 2: for fulfilling that campaign pledge. So I think people should

539
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Speaker 2: be clear eyed about you know, it's not like this

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Speaker 2: is going to be some wholesale FBI reform. It's just

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Speaker 2: instead of, you know, an FBI already does plenty of

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Speaker 2: surveillance of like you know, and like pro Palestine protesters

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Speaker 2: and lots of lefties already. But I'm going to make

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Speaker 2: sure that the FBI is a consistent weapon against Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's adversaries. I think that would be the goal of

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Speaker 2: Cash Matel. Now whether he's even able to fully achieve

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Speaker 2: that goals another question because he doesn't know his way

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Speaker 2: around this agency.

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Speaker 1: As you point out this, these people have a career.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the FBI as an institution's entire career is

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Speaker 3: built on insulating itself right from political pressure, going back

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Speaker 3: to the days of Jay Edgar Hoover. And you know,

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Speaker 3: for somebody like Cash Betel and others, they're going to

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Speaker 3: fight with everything they possibly have against you. So he's

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Speaker 3: got his work cut out. I mean, I want to say,

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Speaker 3: for what you said, though, yeah, I think it's viewed

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Speaker 3: a little bit differently. For what he said, it seems

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Speaker 3: to be the correct thing. Why are we not spending

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Speaker 3: more resources on, like what prosecuting murderers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Larry Naser case.

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Speaker 4: Is the perfect problem with that.

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Speaker 1: I've then a problem with that.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that we should like be uh.

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Speaker 2: I think it's quite clear that the direction he wants

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Speaker 2: to take the FBI in is not like to dismantle

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Speaker 2: the agency in some way that like a leftist would want.

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Speaker 2: He wants to use it in an aggressive way, but

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Speaker 2: against Trump's adversaries and leftists. And you know, I fully

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Speaker 2: expect surveillance of like you know, social justice organizers or

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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters or whatever to continue what pace.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's my.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, But I mean Republicans won the election,

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Speaker 3: so they get to govern the way that they want, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's it's not going to be a leftist fantasy,

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Speaker 3: anybody ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I just think there's a lot of misleading talk about

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Speaker 2: how he's just against the deep state, I see, and

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Speaker 2: that is not accurate. No, No, I'm trying to give

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Speaker 2: an accurate interpretation of what his goals could be in

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Speaker 2: that is he.

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Speaker 3: Going to be the person who's going to stop you know,

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Speaker 3: surveilling policy and activists. No, okay, Like Republicans won the

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Speaker 3: election like they have, and they have the ability to govern,

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Speaker 3: and they're going to do what they said that they're

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Speaker 3: going to do. I think the best case actually would

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Speaker 3: be the decentralization of the agency.

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Speaker 1: Also, by the way, this is a very intra.

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Speaker 3: DMV beef, but the Biden administration illegally shunt shafted Virginia

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Speaker 3: out of FBI headquarters and sent it over to Maryland.

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Speaker 3: So I hope that he reverses that and he can

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Speaker 3: give it to the state of Virginia. This is a

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Speaker 3: big economic development thing, which is it's an interesting DMV beef,

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Speaker 3: but actually billions of dollars are at stake. The interesting

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Speaker 3: thing too behind it is around what he was talking

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Speaker 3: about with the Hoover building and headquarters with the FBI,

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Speaker 3: the question about why there are all these bureaucrats here.

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Speaker 3: There's actually been a long standing kind of question inside

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Speaker 3: the agency. One of the things that he is correct

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Speaker 3: about is that post nine eleven and post Patriot Act,

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Speaker 3: the FBI the counterintelligence, and they're fusing with the CIA

601
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Speaker 3: and other of the National Intelligence Bureau has effectively turned

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Speaker 3: it from a law enforcement organization into an international surveillance

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Speaker 3: organization on US citizens. Now, even if you don't believe in,

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Speaker 3: you know, like making sure that what you like you

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Speaker 3: said for dismantling the deep state or whatever, simply decentralizing

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Speaker 3: and getting all of those people out of Washington would

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Speaker 3: itself be a major net benefit, because again, the centralization

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Speaker 3: of power here in Washington is basically created all of

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Speaker 3: these arms of the Bureau, which did not even exist

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Speaker 3: since two thousand and one prior. The other thing that

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Speaker 3: really annoys me are all of these MSNBC preming legal

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Speaker 3: anthrowers that you can't inject politics into the FBI.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, does anyone want to know the history of

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Speaker 1: the FBI? Shut up? All right?

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Speaker 3: And first of all, they're the ones who made themselves

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Speaker 3: quote uno quote political in twenty sixteen with Russia Gates.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, you can't you can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 3: There are consequences to elections, especially one in which you

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Speaker 3: had a president who's like basically ally completely against you know,

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Speaker 3: this very quote unquote law fare et cetera, which is

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Speaker 3: based upon him. Will it be quote unquote leftist principle?

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Speaker 1: No, it won't. No, Donald Trump, he won the election, right, But.

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Speaker 2: The Republican's posture like, we want to depoliticize this agency.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to depoliticize them, but you shay want

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Speaker 2: to politics.

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Speaker 1: Of course you couldn't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, ideally, yes, you would, but.

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Speaker 1: Read in American history.

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Speaker 2: But the ideal would be that you're not spying on

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Speaker 2: American citizens and infiltrating and doing like co Intel pro

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Speaker 2: quite bullshit against American citizens.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that would be the ideal.

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Speaker 2: And Republican's posture like that's the direction that they would

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Speaker 2: like to go, and that they would like to make

635
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: the agency neutral, that they would like to depoliticize it,

636
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: and that is a lie. They want to politicize it

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Speaker 2: on behalf of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: That's the plan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. Again, they won.

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Speaker 3: He's he talked this way pretty openly about what he wanted,

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Speaker 3: and people seem to be totally okay with it.

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Speaker 1: Will there be backlash et cetera, We'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the real backlash I think will come from

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Speaker 3: the actual agency. I would never underestimate these people, some

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00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: of the most powerful people in America. They can I

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Speaker 3: mean in terms of the leaking operation, for what they

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Speaker 3: can do and all of that against you, their knowledge

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Speaker 3: of bureaucracy, the law, being able to sue.

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Speaker 1: Et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Get ready, folks, because actually, if you even try to

651
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Speaker 3: implement ten percent of this, you will see one of

652
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Speaker 3: the biggest freak outs in modern like Washington.

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Speaker 2: List I think the other people are delusional about is

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Speaker 2: the idea that will get some fulsome accounting of like Epstein,

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Speaker 2: just given the fact that Trump himself has been.

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Speaker 4: Like, I don't know about that and multiple times.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the dec.

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Speaker 2: Declassification, yeah know that, and yes, and I mean Trump

659
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: was Epstein's best friend for a decade. So I wouldn't

660
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: hold your breath on that one. Maybe some other declassification.

661
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Speaker 2: Potentially it will not be a.

662
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Speaker 3: Positive if it's on the UFO. Look JFK alone, I

663
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: would be happy UFO. I'mistatic Epstein. I mean, it'd be great,

664
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: but at this point, as you said, there's probably still

665
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: too many people to actually get.

666
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: It out there.

667
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: It'd be great if we could, though, I mean, listen again,

668
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Speaker 3: the other fun thing with a twenty four to seven

669
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Speaker 3: D classification or whatever. Is almost certain that they wouldn't

670
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: they wouldn't actually be able to do it in their

671
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: traditional way where they cover up everything, and so we

672
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: may get some very inadvertent and good details about some

673
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: things that were happening, which I would love to see.

674
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Speaker 2: So the other thing this will help this transition to

675
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: the next pieces that we can roll through is Trump

676
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: is kind of testing the limits of how effective basically

677
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: like media influencers can be in real positions of power.

678
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: That's a good point because.

679
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: I mean that's effectively what cash fatal is. He's out

680
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: there selling like children's books and also these weird supplements

681
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: that he claims falsely can reverse the impact of the

682
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: COVID vaccine, like Hawk's merchandise, all this sort of stuff.

683
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: And obviously, as you pointed out, going on all these

684
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: various podcasts and being really a mag World influencer, Pete

685
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: Haig Seth obviously Fox News personality similar sort of like

686
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: MAGA influence Sir RFK Junior kind of a similar deal. Obviously,

687
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: Matt Gates was kind of a similar deal, even though

688
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: he was a member of Congress. So there are a

689
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: number of these picks that you know, their primary credential

690
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: is like their notoriety or their influence within the magasphere,

691
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: and how that translates into actually being able to effectuate

692
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: the changes that they are promising will also be.

693
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Speaker 4: Interesting to work.

694
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Speaker 3: So I'm trying desperately to find what is in a

695
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: quote unquote novo covideo here. I've got this supplement in

696
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: fact in front of this is the supplement that he

697
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: has there. It says chronium, magnesium, selenium, vitamin D and zinc.

698
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean it's not going to hurt you.

699
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: So not assuming that's actually what's in it, because none

700
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Speaker 2: of these things are actually really regularly by the FDA.

701
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Speaker 3: That we get Bobby on that, right, We got to

702
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: get Bobby Kennedy on that. All right, let's put the

703
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: next one up there on the screen. This is wild

704
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: getting around this one. This is absolutely insane. So a

705
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: New York Times has obtained an email showing Pegs Pete

706
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: hag Set's own mother sent him a scathing email in

707
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: twenty and eighteen calling him quote an abuser of women.

708
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no gettinger. This is one of the

709
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: most insane things I've ever read. If my mom ever

710
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: said this to me, I don't even know.

711
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: There's no coming back from as a mother.

712
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine it.

713
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: Is you are an abuser of women. That is the

714
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: ugly truth.

715
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: I have no respect for any man that belittles, lies, cheets,

716
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: sleeps around, and uses women for his own power and ego.

717
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: You are this man and have been for years as

718
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: your mother. It pains me and embarrasses me to say that,

719
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: But is the sad sad truth continues on for a while.

720
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: The mom says she immediately regretted it, and then she

721
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Speaker 3: no longer stands by it.

722
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: So okay, that's what it is.

723
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Speaker 4: I don't send this out in nowhere.

724
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: I wonder how they got this email. My theory is

725
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: she probably ces Seed, the ex wife who heg Seth deleted,

726
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: and I guess the ex wife, then, you know, is

727
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: leaking this. I guess fairly in terms of in terms

728
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: of retribution.

729
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Against Pete hag Seth.

730
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Speaker 3: He's no Bobby say to me, Bobby Kennedy said, I

731
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: have a lot of skeletons in my closet something along,

732
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: and you.

733
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: Would say, like I had a rambunctious.

734
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: I had a rambunctious youth. I think we could say.

735
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: An allegation he was like forty six years old or something.

736
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: He's seven year old man forty three.

737
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Speaker 4: So I appreciate that definitely.

738
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Speaker 3: There you go, you are, you're the promise in the Yeah,

739
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: we could forgive everybody or indiscretion. So there it goes.

740
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: Now in terms of its overall effect for everyone I've

741
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: spoken to, and I just checked in yesterday, I think

742
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: Pete's got the votes. From what I can tell, he's

743
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: got at the very least, he's got a majority of

744
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: the defense Hawks on his side. He has made a

745
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: lot of the phone calls. He's playing ball, it seems

746
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: with most people in Washington, and most of the senators

747
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: seem I feel like Gates, they personally really detested. It

748
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: wasn't about policy, it was really just personal. Whereas here

749
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: with you said they don't know him. He's I mean

750
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: on a personal level. You know, they may not like

751
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: him or anything but the vendatta's of course, of course,

752
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: look exit you.

753
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: Know THE'SE got.

754
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: You don't become a TV star and you know, nationally

755
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: famous maga icon from nothing. You got to be at

756
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: least somewhat good at this. So I think he's probably

757
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: got it going. I also think what Ruddy really has

758
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: on his side right now is this gets to the

759
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: Cash thing, that there is something really interesting about the

760
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: fact that these people, I mean just even in the

761
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: Shawn Ryan Show, how many of these nominees for Immense

762
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: Power have appeared on the Sean Ryan Show in the

763
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: last what twelve months. That's kind of astonishing if you

764
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: if you think about it, they had laid out very

765
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: clearly their view. They actually have genuine like democratic constituencies,

766
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: which is really interesting to me because it's very rare

767
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: to have people who are like FBI director or even

768
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense. I mean, you know Mark Asper, Secretary Defense.

769
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Speaker 3: Does Mark Asper have a fan club you know in Spokane, Washington. No,

770
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: But Pete Hexath he actually does. Like millions of people

771
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: love Pete x Seth. They you know, his book was

772
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: number one in the whole country. Cash Pattel is a

773
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: MAGA star. If you are a Maga mema who is

774
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: out there you know who Cash Betel is.

775
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: Those are people who are buying his books and his

776
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: T shirts and all that stuff.

777
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: So it is fascinating to me to watch these people

778
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 3: become and actually see what it will look like in power.

779
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: Whether it'll work out, I have no idea.

780
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean, in general, the biggest problem that these people

781
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: always outsiders always face this when they come into Washington,

782
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: and Washington is a machine. It knows exactly how to

783
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: deal with outsiders. It's like, oh, you wrote a book,

784
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: that's cute. You know I'm going to fuck you sideways

785
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 3: because I know exactly, you know where all the bodies

786
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 3: are buried, et cetera.

787
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: I can drag this shit out as long as possible.

788
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: That's why, in general, a little bit of experience and

789
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: also being an outsider, those two things are the things

790
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: that really can make you successful. But you know, I

791
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: don't want to speak too soon. It's still certainly possible,

792
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: is something you have.

793
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: I think the other question with Pete Hegseath is if

794
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 2: there's any other shoes to drop, you know, it's obviously

795
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: these allegations emerged against him, claiming that he raped a

796
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: woman at this like Republican conference, and then it further

797
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: emerged that he had paid her off something. Reportedly, the

798
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: Trump people were pissed off at him, not that like

799
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: the allegations existed, but that he wasn't upfront with him

800
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: about all of that, and especially the payoff details, which

801
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: you know obviously like no admission of guilt, but it

802
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: doesn't look that great then, you know, I don't think

803
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: the mom email is probably gonna be a game changer,

804
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: but also doesn't look great or speak like to your

805
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: character if your mother is writing things like this about you.

806
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: So I think that's one of the questions is if

807
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: there's potentially another shoe to drop with Pete tag Seth

808
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: in terms of his confirmation. Another one that is interesting,

809
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: which speaks to some of the potential policy direction of

810
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: the Trump administration, which really does have a lot of

811
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: contradictions within it. At this point, can put this up

812
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: on the screen. We've got the AG secretary nominee, and

813
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: this is a bit of a rebuke to RFK Junior. Effectively,

814
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: the person that Trump has picked here, Brooke Rawlins. She's

815
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: considered to be more sort of like corporate friendly. I'll

816
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: at Sager speak to the specifics of her. But RFK Junior,

817
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: they write in this piece, had spent weeks lobbying Donald

818
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: Trump to nominate and AGS secretary who be his ally

819
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: in a war with the sugar, soybean, corn and other

820
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: farm commodity interests, he argues are poisoning Americans. He meticulously

821
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: vetted and put forward his own list of candidates, but

822
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 2: Trump went in a different direction, making a wild card

823
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: pick a former White House aid with little formal experience

824
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: and ad policy, no record on public health concerns driving

825
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: countities agenda. That choice would be Brooke Rollins, who co

826
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: founded the Trumpelne think tank America First Policy Institute. And

827
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: so you know, she's seen as being much more likely

828
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: to be attuned to the concerns of industry. And this

829
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: is very significant because if you actually want to I mean,

830
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: first of all, if you actually want to pull the

831
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: subsidies from like the corn.

832
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Speaker 4: Lobby, good luck.

833
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: Incredibly powerful interest here in Washington, and you know, very

834
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 2: important in a lot of farm states, including places like Iowa.

835
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: And it's the reason the fact that we subsidize corn

836
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: so much is part of the reason why you have

837
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: you know, high fructose corn syrup all of our foods,

838
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Why if you go in the

839
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: grocery store at the centerisles are just basically like recombinations

840
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: of corn. So having someone in this slot who was

841
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: not aligned with what RFK Junior wants to see is

842
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: a quite significant development in terms of his goals with Maha.

843
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: As I have been trying to tell people, it's a coalition.

844
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: And if you think that, you be you know RFK

845
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 3: Junior's let's I think he is responsible for Trump becunn president.

846
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: I will say that.

847
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: So he's got a lot of power and he got

848
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: himself hhs. That's a big deal. But let's be honest,

849
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: it's a big tent, right. And Brooke Rollins is the

850
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: former Rick Perry staffer. She created America First policy. People

851
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: will remember us talking about her before the election because

852
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: I said she was a potential in the running for

853
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: chief of staff.

854
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: She's a very powerful woman here in DC.

855
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: She's played her cards perfectly in terms of getting a

856
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: lot of corporate money Larry Cudlow and all these other

857
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 3: people behind her organization, and she was going to get something.

858
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm surprised that she got something as a

859
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 3: quote unquote low as agriculture. But as you said, agriculture,

860
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: especially for what RFK wants to do, is very very

861
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: important from the USDA. But the other thing that many

862
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: people don't understand is that the SNAP program, otherwise known

863
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: as food stamps is under the purview of the Farm bill,

864
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: it's actually attached to the farm bill. A major MAHA

865
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: priority is to not allow snap EBT dollars to be

866
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 3: applied to junk food things like Coca cola, cereal, et cetera.

867
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: This is something I've seen you know, Cali Means and

868
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 3: others in the MAHA movement talk about.

869
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Speaker 1: I actually think it's totally reasonable.

870
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Speaker 3: But the point is that you will need the cooperation

871
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: of the Agricultural Secretary in negotiating the Farm bill if

872
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: you want some policy like that to happen. Now, you

873
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: know that will have I mean, one of the most

874
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: titanic lobbying campaigns in American history if that actually ever.

875
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: You guys did a segment about this.

876
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: I think about how all of these food companies are

877
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 3: just about to pump billions into propaganda for Oh, here's

878
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: why it's very important that we use food stamps to

879
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: buy seven to eleven pizza, you know, and Coca cola

880
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: or something like that. That is going to be insane,

881
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: especially and you know, look, there's also going to be

882
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: an organic pushback. I mean, remember, you know, Mike Bloomberg

883
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: tried some of this stuff and people didn't like it.

884
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: There's a very libertarian streak. If you drink a lot

885
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: of coke and you know one day you can and

886
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: you can use your food stamps to buy it, and

887
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: one day it gets taken away, it might make people angry.

888
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to see.

889
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: And on top of the all of the dollars that

890
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: we spent on the lobbying campaign, this is very, very consequential.

891
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

892
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: In fact, I think, to be honest with you, the

893
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: if what you care is the you know, food supply,

894
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: I think you have a lot more power as AG

895
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 2: secretary than you do as HHS secretary because so much

896
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: of the food dollars and the farm policy, I mean

897
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: that all runs through AG secretary, So it definitely curtails

898
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: what that what the MAHA goals are going to be,

899
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: what they're going to be able to do.

900
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: It'll just look it will be as I thought it

901
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: would be. There will be very This is not coherence.

902
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: If anybody's looking for that, you went, you are for

903
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: with the wrong people. This will be the same as.

904
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: It was last time.

905
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: There are internal constituencies now, don't get me wrong, they

906
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: have a lot more power the time.

907
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: Let's be honest.

908
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: You know, you have a lot more power if you're

909
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: you have a chance at getting you know, some of

910
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: what you want. But this is government, and especially in

911
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: a Republican party the way that it's currently constituted, where

912
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: big corporations and RFK Junior have to subsist in the

913
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 3: same administration with the same lobbying powers, under the same umbrella.

914
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: It will be Washington and its finest in terms of

915
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: what can actually happen and what can And this is

916
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: an indication that this is reality. People who have immense

917
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 3: influenced billionaire backers and others, they're not going to go

918
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: silently into the good night. They know how to work

919
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 3: the system. And so that's what will happen. Again, let's

920
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: go to the next part. This is equally hilarious in

921
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: the context of the pardon discussion. Trump has now appointed

922
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: Charles Kushner, Jared's father, will be the US ambassador to France.

923
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: The good news for US is that the US Ambassador

924
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 3: of France is a meaningless position. It's basically you get

925
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: to be a playboy and you get to hang out

926
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: and throw great parties abroad. They're usually reserved for billionaire donors.

927
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: So in a certain sense, is a change from the

928
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 3: status quo.

929
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: Charles Kushner nepotism instead of.

930
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: It's nepotism instead of bills oligarchy.

931
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: So you know, it's a nice little throwback.

932
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: Well, and I said this in the last segment, just

933
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 2: to remind Charles Kushner was the recipient of a Trump

934
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: pardon in the first term. What did he do, you asked, Well,

935
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: first of all, tax fraud. Second of all, he set

936
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: up his own brother in law, who was participating in

937
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: the tax investigation with a prostitute, recorded that interaction, sent

938
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: it to his sister to use as like blackmail and

939
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: to intimidate them out of cooperating with the Feds. That's

940
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: what he was found guilty of and was pardoned for.

941
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: And now he is ambassador to France.

942
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, there there you go, all right, and we

943
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: got one war I say.

944
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: He said, he's like one of the most venal character

945
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 3: Christie went after.

946
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 4: He's the one who prosecuted him.

947
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 2: And that's why Jared Kushner always had a vendetta against

948
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: Chris Christie. When we go back to like twenty sixteen,

949
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: after Trump wins and Chris Christy, he's supposed to be

950
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: involved in the transition. Kushner ices him out. Anyway, that's

951
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: who Charles Kushner is. And then we have a little

952
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: more nepotisity for you. We put this one up on

953
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: the screen. So this is Tiffany Trump's father in law.

954
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: So the father of Tiffany Trump's husband is Masad Bulus

955
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: is going to serve as senior advisor to the president

956
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: on Arab and Middle Eastern affairs. He's an accomplished lawyer,

957
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: highly respected leader, blah blah blah. As far as I

958
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: could tell, we don't know a lot about what his

959
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: actual like ideology is.

960
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: He's with respect in Middle East.

961
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 2: There was some reporting that he had sought a position

962
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: in the Lebanese parliament at some point in two thousand

963
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: and nine, but then he disputes that. So anyway, we'll

964
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: see what we get with him. But you know, in fairness,

965
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: it can't be worse than the advisors that Biden has

966
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: had when it comes to right.

967
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: In a certain sense, Trump is returning to the monarchical

968
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 3: traditions of the American presidency. You appoint your family members

969
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: as a part of the imperial family, to be your ambassadors.

970
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: When I was Japan, I started, I was reading a

971
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: lot of books on Japan. Actually reminds me a little

972
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: bit of all of that.

973
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: So anyway, there you go.

974
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 3: It's things certainly are the same here in Washington, aren't they.

975
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: At the same time, there's been a major effect in

976
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: tariff policy. Let's go ahead and put this up there

977
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: on the screen. Arguably the most consequential tariff argument that

978
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has made since he won the election. Trump

979
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: is threatening one hundred percent tariffs on the bricks nation Brazil,

980
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: bricks nations, the Brazil, India, China, and South Africa. It's

981
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: a term that was coined by Goldn Sachs and the

982
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: mid two thousands.

983
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: It's not really all that useful.

984
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: Because all of these countries aren't exactly all allies, but

985
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: it is important.

986
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: Sorry, Russia also is the It's.

987
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: Also expanded and now also ron Saturabi, Uae, Argentina, Egypt,

988
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: and Ethiopia.

989
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

990
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: So, I mean, basically, bricks was a theory that these

991
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: the quote unquote bricks nations would rise up as global

992
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: GDP increased and would challenge US hegemony in the global

993
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: banking system and in trade. So it's not about the

994
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: bricks itself. It's the ideo, and the idea is basically true.

995
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: Especially in twenty thirty, fifty percent of global GDP will

996
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: be in Asia. It will not be in Europe and

997
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: the United States. So the point is is that there

998
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: are alternative rising centers of power. Another very important thing

999
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: within the Bricks framework has been the US insane sanctions

1000
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: regime on Russia, which obviously number one has not worked

1001
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: and has basically created an alternative global financial system which

1002
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: allows the Indians, the Chinese, and the Russians to all transact.

1003
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: I was just reading yesterday about how the Chinese have

1004
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: been deeply studying how the Russian economy has been able

1005
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 3: to evade Russian sanction or US sanctions, and they're like, oh,

1006
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: this is an very easy playbook. And frankly, I mean,

1007
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: China is ten times more powerful than Russia, so their

1008
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: ability to evade would be even easier than anything we

1009
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: have done. One reason, perhaps the Russian sanctions We're a

1010
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: dumb idea in the first place, But the point being

1011
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: that clearly Donald Trump has a very old old school

1012
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: mercantilist view, especially when it comes to the dollar. He

1013
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: wants a strong dollar, he wants people using transacting upon

1014
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: the dollar and with the bricks. You know, we talked

1015
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: previously there had been an introduction of a resolution about

1016
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: perhaps creating their own bricks currency. That's what this was

1017
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: really aimed against. And especially because it has come on

1018
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: the heels of Trump is currently down in mar A Lago.

1019
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: He's receiving foreign dignitaries to come and to pay homage

1020
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: to the new king, and one of the things that

1021
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: has been mentioned to him obviously is the potential rise

1022
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 3: of bricks.

1023
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: I mean, those are all great points. I think this

1024
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: is basically a gamble that the US still has a

1025
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: level of influence in the world that frankly, I'm not

1026
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: sure that it does, and it could potentially hasten the

1027
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: move towards an alternative you know, reserve currency or competing

1028
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: global reserve currency. Because to your points are and this

1029
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: is kind of a long time coming the US, not

1030
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: just with regard to Russia, but when you look at

1031
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: a cube of Venezuela, any number of other nations around

1032
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: the world, and actually Jeff's Dyne is an incredible, incredible

1033
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: work tracking the ever expanding US sanctions regime, you know, countries.

1034
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 2: Gotsmartn said, hey, we need to have our own systems

1035
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: in place so that the US cannot just like at

1036
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: will destroy our economy. And so China and Russia in

1037
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: particular have been working to kind of sanctioned proof their economy.

1038
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: And obviously we see with Russia that paid a lot

1039
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 2: of dividends when the Biden administration decided to really drop

1040
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: the hammer on them. They are now the most sanctioned

1041
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: nation in the entire world. And yet you know, wasn't

1042
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: great for their economy, but they've been able to survive

1043
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: and in some ways even thrive under that incredible sanctions regime.

1044
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: So that was a real thwarting and undermining of US power.

1045
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 4: They kind of called our bluff.

1046
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: And China has been working to set up those alternative

1047
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: banking structures so that you know, they've helped to facilitate

1048
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Russia and these other allied nats to also undercut that

1049
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 2: sanctions regime. So yeah, this is Trump trying to throw

1050
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: you know, the US is weight around. How much weight

1051
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: do we still have though is kind of an open

1052
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: question here. So that's why this is so incredibly incredibly

1053
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: sing them. And there's always you know, talk about Saudi

1054
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: Arabia floating flirting with you know, undermining the petro dollar

1055
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: and these sorts of things. So you know, it's possible

1056
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: that this threat works. We've already seen justin Trudeau. We're

1057
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: going to get to that in Claudia Shinbau. I'm kind

1058
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: of like talking to him like, oh, well, let's try

1059
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: to work together. Let's try to like, you know, short

1060
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 2: circuit whatever tariff regime you're thinking of putting on us.

1061
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: So it'd be very interesting to see how these these

1062
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: allied nations respond because they do represent a kind of

1063
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: alternative already power structure within the global systems.

1064
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to overstate or understated.

1065
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: To understate it would say that these are not powerful

1066
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 3: and you should not consider it. To overstate it would

1067
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: also be like, oh, they're totally independent, bullshit, Okay. Other

1068
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: than Russia, the vast majority of these countries rely all

1069
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: on the United States is their number one trading partner,

1070
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: especially China. I mean, that's why tariffs on China are

1071
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: so effective, because we import the fast majority. They're goods now,

1072
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 3: though that doesn't mean that they could move to an

1073
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 3: alternative system.

1074
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: But the other thing I would say that that I'm

1075
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: curious your thoughts on this, Like I think that people

1076
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: in other nations are more willing to accept pain in

1077
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: service of a national project.

1078
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: Oh than we are.

1079
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: Like I think the idea that Americans, you know, I mean,

1080
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: if you look at these nations. Brazil is a significant

1081
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: trading to China obviously massive trading partner. When you add

1082
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: to that Canada and Mexico to top trading partners, and

1083
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: already sanctions are threatened against all of these Like this

1084
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: would definitely in the short term increase prices. We are

1085
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: going to cover probably tomorrow. Retailers are also, just like

1086
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: they did during the COVID supply shocks, et cetera, they're

1087
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: going to use the excuse also to further jack up prices.

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Speaker 2: And I just don't know that the you know, American consumer,

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Speaker 2: like our whole social contract is basically built upon you're

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Speaker 2: going to get low prices. So there's an expectation here

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Speaker 2: that maybe doesn't exist in other places around there.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, an homogenous, more nationalistic countries, they're much more willing.

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Speaker 3: That said, you know, economic stagnation and issues does not

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Speaker 3: come at no costs. So in Russia, the Putin regime

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Speaker 3: has survived. That said, people in Russia. They're suffering. Let's

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Speaker 3: be honest. I mean, look, you know, if their economy

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Speaker 3: has been able to survive, but basically it's a wartime nation.

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Speaker 3: Everybody relies on the state. Inflation, you know, is totally

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Speaker 3: out of control. They've lost a lot of connections to

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Speaker 3: the what I don't think average daily life in Moscow

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Speaker 3: has gotten better as a result of the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: So it's possible, right, you know, they think could move on. Now,

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Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that, you know, they're not gonna have

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Speaker 3: a revolt like Americans want them to. But it's not

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Speaker 3: like it hasn't come at zero.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Remember too, in China, there's a real social contract to

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Speaker 3: with them. They gave up all their freedoms and they

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Speaker 3: get to get rich, and the Chinese oligarchs saw plenty

1111
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: of them in Japan having a great time. They get

1112
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Speaker 3: to roll around the globe and stay at all these

1113
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: fancy hotels. The middle class gets to have Huawei phones

1114
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 3: that they're nice, They get to live in apartments. If

1115
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: you take that away, you know, one of the reasons

1116
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: that there's been some issues in China as you went

1117
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: from a whatever eight percent economic growth a year to

1118
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Speaker 3: like six, you drop six to four, suddenly you get

1119
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Speaker 3: to around two. Like America, things are not accelerating the

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Speaker 3: same way, and the social contract changes. So it's just

1121
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Speaker 3: it's different. But you know, again, don't overstate, don't understate. Now,

1122
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Speaker 3: in the Canada Mexico case, I actually think it's totally different.

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Speaker 3: And that is because Mexico, Canada, and the United States

1124
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Speaker 3: we all rely on each other. Forty percent of all

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Speaker 3: US trade is Mexico and Canada. I mean Texas in particular,

1126
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 3: my own home state. That place runs on Mexican goods.

1127
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Speaker 3: Like if you look at NAFTA and all that, I

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Speaker 3: don't think it should be that way, but that's the

1129
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Speaker 3: reality that NAFTA created, either Mexico or Canada.

1130
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Speaker 1: I believe you send us a map. I don't think

1131
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: we cut it.

1132
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: But what is it forty something of forty out of

1133
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: fifty states, our top trading partners either Mexico or Canada.

1134
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Speaker 3: I mean that's especially if we live in the north

1135
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Speaker 3: that you know, Canada exports so many goods to the

1136
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Speaker 3: United States. It's also a major trans shipping hub both

1137
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Speaker 3: Mexico and Canada of Chinese goods in order to evade

1138
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Speaker 3: tariffs and other trade policy, So that is where the

1139
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Speaker 3: tariffs will have will be most consequential.

1140
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Speaker 4: The auto industry alone.

1141
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Speaker 2: There are some auto parts, oh that are literally across

1142
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: the border eight separate times, back and forth in the

1143
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Speaker 2: course of production before finally you know, coming typically to

1144
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Speaker 2: the US for assembly or I mean Mexico has a

1145
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Speaker 2: significant number of auto assembly plants at this point as well.

1146
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: So if you're thinking, every time that part crosses the border,

1147
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: it's going to get you know, tariff tariff, tariff, tariff tariff. Yeah,

1148
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: that is going to add significant cost to the price

1149
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: of production. And that's just one example. Obviously, we get

1150
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Speaker 2: a lot of crude oil from Canada as well, so

1151
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: you know, if there wasn't an exemption for oil, then

1152
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: you're talking about immediate spike and gas prices, especially a

1153
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: lot of that crude oil goes to Midwestern refineries, so

1154
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: in the Midwest you would see an immediate you know,

1155
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Speaker 2: gas price spike. So those would be some of the

1156
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: immediate consequences if this actually comes to me.

1157
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Canada is lumber, oil, milk.

1158
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: A lot of building goods like the lumber.

1159
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I mean that's literally Calgary exists basically

1160
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: as an alterna like a US province effectively. But the

1161
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: point is is that our economies, we are all very interrelated.

1162
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 3: That is a result of NAFTA and of now the USMCA.

1163
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. This is

1164
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: from Claudia Shinebahm, the Mexican president. She says, quote, there

1165
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: will be no potential tariff for with the US after

1166
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: a call with Donald Trump. This came their phone call

1167
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 3: after Donald Trump. I think you guys covered it so

1168
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: that he would impose a twenty five percent tariff on

1169
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Speaker 3: Mexican and Canadian goods as long as all as long

1170
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Speaker 3: as they continue to allow illegal immigration and fentanyl smuggling

1171
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Speaker 3: into the United States.

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Speaker 1: That immediately set off.

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Speaker 3: A diplomatic crisis in Mexico and in Canada, both of

1174
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Speaker 3: those leaders reaching out to Donald Trump.

1175
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Speaker 1: Almost immediately.

1176
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Speaker 3: Trump effectively declared victory in Mexico or were with Mexico

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Speaker 3: and he said they've agreed to stop all illegal immigration.

1178
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 3: Claudia shine Bomb's like, well, not really, but we had

1179
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 3: substantive discussions or whatever on the subject. Both sides are

1180
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: declaring victory and kind of trying to cool down the temperature. Basically,

1181
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Speaker 3: the same thing happening now with Canada. Let's put B

1182
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Speaker 3: three please up on the screen. Justin Trudeau he was

1183
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: summoned to meet with the monarch, with the king as

1184
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Speaker 3: part of the American It's like when the Roman emperor

1185
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 3: would summon the governors of the provinces and so. Justin

1186
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Speaker 3: Trudeau has been spotted down in mar Lago. He says,

1187
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Speaker 3: thanks for dinner last night, President Trump. I look forward

1188
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Speaker 3: to the work that we can do together.

1189
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Speaker 1: Again.

1190
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Speaker 3: A source in Canadian media, let's put this on the screen,

1191
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 3: gave some of the details of the meeting. He says,

1192
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 3: quote no guarantee Trump tariffs are coming off. Trump didn't

1193
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: specifically say I need X, Y and Z to drop tariff.

1194
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 3: Both sides see a solution as attainable. The key Trump

1195
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: needs to be able to start his presidency by saying

1196
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Speaker 3: I have taken steps to save American lives. He wants.

1197
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Speaker 3: This is what he wants. The fentanyl thing is huge quote,

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Speaker 3: despite Canada's minor role in it. Justin Trudeau told Trump

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Speaker 3: he would be happy to step up helicopter patrols at

1200
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Speaker 3: the border. Quote that said incoming. Trump team likes tariffs.

1201
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: They will raise again and again trade deficits as a

1202
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: reason for them. Canada will need to be pointing out

1203
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: the reason that the US has a trade deficit is

1204
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: its oil. So there could be a solution to this

1205
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 3: one threat, but that doesn't mean that it will not

1206
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: pop up again. I think the TLDR of it is

1207
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: that this is the Trump reality is that there will

1208
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: be a ton of negotiation on international trade. One of

1209
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: the reasons that Canada and Mexico are uniquely vulnerable, as

1210
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: I said, is all of our economies are so deeply intertwined,

1211
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: also on oil and specific types of goods. Trump has

1212
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: better use of the National Security Designation under the Commerce

1213
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: Department to be able to impose tariffs on those certain goods.

1214
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 3: And he also has frameworks within USMCA, which was the

1215
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: framework which replaced NAFTA that was negotiated by Bob Leitheiser

1216
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 3: that gives them like accelerated adjudication and tariff imposition. But

1217
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 3: that said, it will be a legal mess in terms

1218
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 3: of you know, our courts, their courts, the Internet, World

1219
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: Trade Organization, there's intra adjudication processes.

1220
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: And all of that.

1221
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: But this is the course that Donald Trump wants to take.

1222
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: It's very clear he was serious. He actually wants to

1223
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 3: do it, So we'll see how it actually works out

1224
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 3: in terms of manufacturing and in terms of what it

1225
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: will actually look like for our trading relationship with these

1226
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: two nations.

1227
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was part of what was noteworthy about

1228
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Speaker 2: his framing this as being about fentanyl and migration, because

1229
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 2: that fits into that like national security.

1230
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: It only makes framework Mexico. That's what the iron I mean.

1231
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not in Canada stand but like, we don't

1232
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: have a ton of illegal drugs coming across the Canadian board.

1233
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 3: There are a lot of trade beefs with the Canadians.

1234
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: They take us to the cleaners on milk and car

1235
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 3: parts and a lot of oil and a lot of

1236
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: different stuff.

1237
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Speaker 1: But like that has nothing to do with fentanyl.

1238
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: But the reason why he's saying fentanyl is like you

1239
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 3: just said, you have specific national security designation to protect

1240
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 3: the United States of America, where if you classify it

1241
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 3: under that, you can impost certain.

1242
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: It can't just be like we're not happy with this

1243
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: trade relationship because that's not a national security emergency. And

1244
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: so I think they feel they have broad latitude, and

1245
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 2: I think my understanding is in the past the courts

1246
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: have granted broad latitude. You know, president gets to what

1247
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: is a national security emergency and what's not. So if

1248
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: he says it is, then I think it's unlikely the

1249
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 2: courts are going to be like, oh no, it's not really.

1250
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 2: I think he probably does have broad latitude. I think

1251
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: the assumption should be he probably does have broad latitude

1252
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: to implement across the board tariffs effectively wherever he wants to,

1253
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: and so that's part of the power that he's wielding here.

1254
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: You know, I was curious, Sager, for your reaction to

1255
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: this next part. Let's put this up on the screen.

1256
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: You just mentioned Bob Leithheiser, who negotiated that, you know,

1257
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: revamped NAFTA, and he has been iceed down so far

1258
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: of this administration. Reportedly, according to Axios, Trump thought he

1259
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: was too scared to go big. You know, he's seen

1260
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: as one of the more sort of like serious thinkers

1261
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: when it comes to tariff and trade policy in general.

1262
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: I know he's someone that you appreciated in the first administration.

1263
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 2: Frankly I did too, you know, I supported the Trump

1264
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: tariffs against China and Bind's continuation of those as well.

1265
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Speaker 4: So I wonder what you make of him being left

1266
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 4: off the line.

1267
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Speaker 1: I think it's all personality based. I mean, the truth

1268
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Speaker 1: is that l.

1269
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 3: Lightheiser is his own person He had a very successful

1270
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 3: tenure as the USTR previously. He doesn't need Donald Trump,

1271
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 3: and he's not a loyalist in the same way. He's

1272
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: his own man. And I think, look, I think I

1273
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: was telling you guys on the phone. I vividly remember

1274
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: there was a big meeting on China tariffs, and Lightheiser

1275
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: basically corrected Trump in the Oval Office because he didn't

1276
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 3: want markets to crash because Trump had understated or whatever

1277
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: whatever the deal was with our trade deal with China.

1278
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 3: Trump was furious with him over that. So I think

1279
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 3: a lot of this is personality based. In terms of

1280
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: Lightheiser was always a realist. He would tell the president.

1281
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: He'd be like, look, you can do X, Y and

1282
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 3: Z on soybeans. He negotiated USMCA. He was a very

1283
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: serious negotiator in his ability to actually get a real

1284
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 3: trade framework through. Trump wants somebody who's like, yes, mister President,

1285
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: that's what we're going to do, and we'll try and

1286
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: figure it out. That's not Lightthheiser's deal. He was a

1287
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 3: serious guy. He was always willing to push back if

1288
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 3: he needed to. But you know, I mean personally saddened

1289
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: by it. I thought he would be a great pick. Frankly,

1290
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: I thought he'd me and better pick. I thought he

1291
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 3: could be the U. S. Secretary of State. But it's

1292
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: also clear that Trump may have asked for some loyalty

1293
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: pledge and be like, you need to pledge to me

1294
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: that you will always carry out whatever I say and

1295
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 3: Lightheiser again, because you literally had the job. Was probably

1296
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 3: somebody who was like, I can't make you that promise.

1297
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: That's not how international trade works.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well, and also Trump in the yeah that

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Speaker 2: could entail It's like, I'm not sure that I'm down.

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Speaker 4: For all of that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely anyway, We'll be interesting to see how fans out.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to see it personally, I really am, especially

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Speaker 3: you know, who doesn't want to see Canada put in

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Speaker 3: this place