1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. This week we talked about Elizabeth 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Bisland and her trip around the world and her whole 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: career as a journalist outside of that trip. I didn't 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: spell it out in the episode, but I kept calling 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: her Bisland after she got married because that was the 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: professional name that she continued to use for the whole 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: rest of her life, and it seemed kind of weird 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: to jump back and forth. 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: I also called Lafcadio. 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: Hearne Herne the whole time, even though his name changed, 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: because he only made that brief appearance at the beginning 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: and the end. Because since he only made a very 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: brief appearance at the beginning and the end, it seemed 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: potentially confusing to change what name I was using for 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: him and then also talk about his wife, who was 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: using the same family name. If we do an episode 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: on him at some point, that may proceed differently in 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: that full length episode. 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a wild one. Yeah, he's like one that's 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: been on my list for a while, and I look 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: at it, and I go later for you maybe maybe, yeah, 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: we'll see. Trying to narrow down how much of him 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: to talk about in this was a little tricky because 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: I can't like, it's clear that they they were important 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: to one another and that they were in touch with 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: each other for their whole his whole life after they met. 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: But I didn't want that episode to become too focused 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: on him because the episode was not really about him, right, 32 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: And then every time I learned a new thing about him, 33 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: I was like, man, he's so fascinating. Also kind of 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: a mess and fascinating, a fascinating mess similarly in some 35 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: ways kind of a mess or a mixed bag. 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: Maybe Elizabeth Bislind, Oh yeah. 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: I would read some things from her and go wow, 38 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: that's really lovely, and other things and go wow, yikes, 39 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: that was girl? 40 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: What offensive? 41 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: And then some stuff where it's like I wish I 42 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: could figure out more of your specific opinions on things 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: just because of you know, when and where you lived 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: and where your upbringing. Was like, yeah, you know, the 45 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: people of history have all kinds of different feelings, but 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: it is just it's nice to know, Yeah, when you're 47 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: talking about people, do you know what I've been thinking 48 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: about lately in regard to that, what is how easy 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: it is to forget? This is gonna sound so stupid, 50 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: and to me it seems so profound in the moment 51 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: I thought it, how easy it is to forget that 52 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: like any of these people we talk about historically, particularly 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: like in the twentieth century, that have a dicey mix 54 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: of like some of your concepts and your worldview is 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: great and some of. 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: It is not cool at all? 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: Is how much less information they had at their fingertips 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: at any given time, Oh yeah. 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: To what we have. 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: So their experiential learning would have left huge gaps that 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: they just couldn't quickly fill in the way we can 62 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: with like a rapid Internet search. And so it's made 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: me feel a little more graceful for figures like her 64 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: that maybe just don't know. I know, she went around 65 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: the world, but in many ways she wasn't worldly, you 66 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Still sucks, her position still sucks 67 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: on a variety of things. But like I'm not as 68 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: much like monster as I am. Like, you just didn't 69 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: have the knowledge, You just didn't have it. Yeah, I 70 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: sometimes think about things that I didn't have the knowledge. 71 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, about for sure. 72 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: Say, for yeah, having grown up in the nineteen seventies 73 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: and eighties, you know, and started college in nineteen ninety three, 74 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: what a different understanding so many things in the world 75 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: between then and now. Oh yes, radically different access to 76 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: information now versus then. Yeah, so yeah, I do find 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: her to be a mixed bag. But boy do I 78 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: love how crabby she was about going on this trip. 79 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: I get it. Had I had so much. 80 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: Empathy for her being called into her boss's office to 81 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: do with things she didn't want to do and to 82 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: start right now, and like, well, and a pretty heavy 83 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: hitting assign you know what I mean. Like, I love 84 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: to travel. I live in the modern age when I 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: always have kind of like a go bag ready in 86 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: case I have to travel last minute. But if you 87 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: told me right now you have to leave on an 88 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: around the world trip that's going to take you more 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: than two months and you got to leave in six hours, 90 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: I yeah, would shout an expletive at you. I would 91 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: lose it. Yeah, yeah, I lose it about smaller things 92 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: than that. 93 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big ass. Yeah. 94 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: I read a couple of things that, you know, things 95 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: written by modern people and written in recent years, who 96 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: characterized her almost as ungracious about it, And I'm like, 97 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: she was being told to drop everything and go on 98 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: a trip that was going to be uncomfortable at best 99 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: and exhausting, Yeah, with no notice whatsoever like that. 100 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, to be cranky. 101 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: It's not like winning a luxury trip around the world. 102 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: It's hustling. You're not getting to enjoy any of those 103 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: cultures very much. Yeah, you're not really exploring. You're just 104 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: going from like trained to train to train to boat 105 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,559 Speaker 1: to train to boat to train. 106 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thank you, right. Yeah. 107 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, as a person prone to sea sickness, I also 108 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: would have an added layer of how frustrating I would 109 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: find such an assignment given with no notice. 110 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. 111 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: I really liked her early life experience of trying to 112 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: keep secret that she was writing poetry and that they 113 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: thought she was an old dude from England. Yeah, which 114 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: made me think a little bit of Edna Saint Vincent 115 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: Malay because oh yeah, she was not using a fake name, 116 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: but because Vincent was part of her name, people initially 117 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: thought she must be a mature man. And it just 118 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 1: tickles me in each case. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the number 119 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: of times that apparently people buy her writing thought that 120 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: she was a man amused me a little bit. And 121 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: the idea of suffering through something that it turned out 122 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: that you hated while churning the butter. Yeah, because George 123 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: Elliot said that it was the best thing. Listen, I 124 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: one hundred percent understand all of that. That is exactly 125 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: the kind of thing I would do where I'd be like, well, 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: this is these are two things that I feel like 127 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: I need to do. I'm going to combine them. Yeah, 128 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: that makes all the sense on earth to me. So 129 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: week I agree. 130 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: I agree. 131 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: There were a lot of moments in her story that 132 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: I was like, yep, I completely have empathy with that, 133 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: not all of them, obviously we already talked about that. 134 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 135 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: I love the idea of aside from the fact that 136 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: she thinks all men will be chivalrous, I love the 137 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: idea of early sort of like packing lists practical advice 138 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: for lady travelers. 139 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do like that a lot. Yeah. 140 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: I was just so delighted by the descriptions of what 141 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: she thought would be good luggage and this newly developed 142 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: bureau trunk. I was like, Yeah, that would be really 143 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: handy if what you are traveling with is a big 144 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: old steamer trunk. Being able to open the top lid 145 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: and have that be drawers organized with all your small 146 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: items instead of having to have like a lot of 147 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: little interior boxes that you had to wrangle around for 148 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: your small items. Seems like it would be a lot 149 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: more convenient or just throwing your things into a trunk 150 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: and then having to pull them out and figure out 151 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: where everything was later on. Yeah, I had to look 152 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: up what a shawl strap was. Yeah, how exactly does 153 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: that work? It could just be you could just have 154 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: your shawl and it would be the strap that your 155 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: shawl was wrapped up in, so that you can sling 156 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: it over your shoulder, not have it to wear it 157 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: with you, but have it accessible when you got on 158 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: the train. All of those things. I do something similar 159 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: sometimes if I am taking a long trip and checking luggage, 160 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: I will often have in my purse or backpack that 161 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm taking onto the airplane, I will have a change 162 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: of closed toothbrush, the deodorant, like basic things so that 163 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: just in case the checked luggage goes awry, I can 164 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: manage on what I put under the seat in front 165 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: of me. Do you remember on our first of you 166 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: misson history class trip, which was to Paris. The check 167 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: luggage going awrye for me, Am, I beloved no because 168 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: the first two and a half days we were in Paris, 169 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: Brian had nothing. I forgot this completely. Oh yeah, it 170 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: was like a little bit of a wild ride because 171 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: we had gotten to Charles de Gaul. Everyone from our 172 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: flight got to baggage claim. About half of them got 173 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: bags and rolled out, and the rest of us just 174 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: stood there for a long time. And then someone from 175 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: AYR France came over and was like, what are you doing? 176 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: We were like waiting on our bags and they're like 177 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: nuh uh. And it became this whole wacky brigamarole where 178 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: we were one of my bags had come out. At 179 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: that point I had two check bags, he had one 180 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: and my you know, mediocre French and this very kind 181 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: Air France woman like we were trying to work out 182 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: what was going on. The funniest part was when all 183 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: of our luggage that we usually travel with is the 184 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: American tourist line that came out years ago that looks 185 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: like droids from Star Wars. 186 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: So once I. 187 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: Showed her a picture, she was like, oh, like this 188 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: changed thing significantly, and she started calling departments around the 189 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: airport asking if they had seen R two D two 190 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: or C three PO because those are the two that 191 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: were missing. And at one point she talks to someone 192 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: and she makes a very excited face, hangs of the phone, 193 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: takes my hand and says, let's go, and we go 194 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: running to a different, completely different terminal, and shoved behind 195 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: a potted plant in a corner is my C three 196 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: PO bag. 197 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: Wow. 198 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: But Brian's R two D two ever shows up, And 199 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: I really think like some poor junior staff member overturned 200 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: one of their chain their little train of luggage trucks 201 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: and didn't know what to do and just hid things around. 202 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: Your phone, but his was not there, and we got 203 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: back to the we got to our hotel because she 204 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: was like, we're not going to find it today, go 205 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: to your hotel. Poor Brian had not packed anything in 206 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: his carrier like for overnight. Yeah, And so like those 207 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: first couple of days, we would get back to the 208 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: room and be like, did luggage show up? And they 209 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: had called our room at one point and said, we 210 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: found your luggage, were bringing it, but the number they 211 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: gave was the ticket that was on my C three 212 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: PO bag. We already had. Oh, and then we went 213 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: out one day and we did our tour and we 214 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: got home and it was that day and we asked 215 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: at the front desk and they were like no. But 216 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: then we got to our room and there was our 217 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: two D two like with light shining off of it 218 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: like it was a holy relic. And Brian hugged that 219 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: luggage for so long. So yeah, it's our story of 220 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: international not having your luggage. 221 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 222 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,119 Speaker 1: On our on our trip to Morocco last year, I 223 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: had a checked bag, but I also had like a 224 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: roller board to go in the bin above, and that 225 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: contained enough clothing that was all stuff that could be 226 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: like washed out in the sink and dry really quickly. 227 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: It had enough that I would be washing stuff in 228 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: the sink every day. But if the big checked bag 229 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: got lost, you'd be okay. I would be able to 230 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: make it through the trip because that trip we were 231 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: in a different place almost every day, Like there were 232 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: a couple of places that we spent two nights. Yeah, 233 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: if you're if a piece of luggage did not come 234 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: on our arrival to Morocco, odds of it catching up 235 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: to us were slim to none. 236 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 237 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I had planned for the worst outcome of that, 238 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: and it was unnecessary. Everything was fine, did not need 239 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: it at all. I do a different thing in that scenario, 240 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: which is that I put everything I possibly can into 241 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: carry on. I do no checked bag going out m h, 242 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: but coming home, I'll check everything. Yeah, I checked everything 243 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: coming back. So I don't want to Yeah, don't want 244 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: to carry that Bizra and I did. I just laid 245 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: a piece of luggage while we were there. Yeah, because 246 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: on our last day we got additional treats that we 247 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: weren't expecting, like pieces of tari and I was like, 248 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: I've maxed out my luggage. 249 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: Now we have to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 250 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: Well I'm trying to imagine Elizabeth Bislin would have a 251 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: lot to say about all of these things. 252 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: With our travel. 253 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: We talked about Gustave Flaubert this week. 254 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: We did. 255 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: I could swear that this came up briefly at some 256 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: point in another episode, but my so of the old 257 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: outlines yielded nothing, And I'm like, did I dream it? 258 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 259 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: I like flow Bear a lot. The nice thing about 260 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: this one is that I had so many books already 261 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: on my shelf for the Russians that I was good. 262 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: Like I said, I was very fascinated by Madame Bowerie 263 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: when I read it in high school, so much so 264 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: that when I was in college, my high school English 265 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: teacher asked me to come back and do a guest 266 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: lecture on it to her then seniors. Okay, which was 267 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: super fun because I just like talking about it. I 268 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: like the questions you can raise about it, etc. One 269 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: of the things we didn't talk about in this episode 270 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: is how many other literary figures Gustav Flaubert knew right like, 271 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: he and George Soalnd were good friends, for example, and 272 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: there were many others, and I just didn't bring all 273 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: of them up because talking about other stuff sometimes. 274 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: She got to edit. 275 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: Let me tell you how much I love disdain for cliches. Yeah, 276 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: this will reveal a less than noble part of my personality, 277 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: of which there are many, Okay, but one of my 278 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: pet peeves. Oh, just even thinking about it makes me 279 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: like physically and it's mean. So know that this is 280 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: mean on my part. 281 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: I have. 282 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: No grace or tolerance. And again I want to say, 283 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: as I'm saying all of these things, I'm the jerk. 284 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: I have no grace or tolerance for when people say 285 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: or do mundane things but act as though they are novel, 286 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean, like capital offense. It makes me so irrationally 287 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: angry when people are like blah blah blah, and it's 288 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: something everybody knows and they've just realized it. And I 289 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: should not be that way. I should be like, that's 290 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: so cool that you've just had this realization. Welcome, But 291 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: instead I'm just like, ugh, I hide it because I 292 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: know that's monstrous behavior. But it makes me understand when 293 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: he and his friend are like, let's write down all 294 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: the stupid things that people say thing, yeah, they're clever. 295 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, write them all down. That's a good 296 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: way to get it out. This reminds me of the 297 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: XKCD comic. I think it's called The Lucky ten thousand, 298 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: and the basic idea is that there are things that 299 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: you think that everyone knows, but like maybe one in 300 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: ten thousand people don't. I'm recapping this from memory, like 301 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: I could be saying this totally wrong. Randallman Rope, Please 302 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: don't be upset with me if I'm recapping your work badly. 303 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: But how when somebody, for example, has never heard of 304 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: the whole Mentos and Diet Coke thing, and they see 305 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: the Mentos and Diet Coke video for the first thing 306 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: can be like, oh, you're the lucky ten thousand, like 307 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: you were the lucky person who was seeing this for 308 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: the first time today. Yeah, can be a way to 309 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: think of that besides being like. 310 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: You know what what I get? I try to what 311 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: do you get? 312 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: I have a childish kind of mean fixation on the 313 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: people who say I was today years old when I 314 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: figured out and then the thing that they figured out 315 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: isn't a real thing. It's like I was today years 316 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: old when I figured out you're supposed to unroll the 317 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: little paper ketchup cups at the you know, fast food restaurant, 318 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: because then it holds way more ketchup. And it's like, no, 319 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to unroll the lip. 320 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 2: Of the thing. 321 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: You can do that, but that's not what it's made for. 322 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: That's the thing I get real frustrated by. 323 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 324 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: I've also started just blocking anyone on any you know, 325 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: any kind of social media who puts up obvious rage bait. 326 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I saw somebody one time that was 327 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: doing a video in which they were using a can 328 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: opener to open the can of biscuits that you're supposed 329 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: to open by like pressing into the seam, yeah, or 330 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: maybe smacking it against your cabinets. And they were like, 331 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: and I was like, I think you're just doing this 332 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: so people will engage with your video respites telling you, yeah, 333 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: that you're doing it wrong. I'm just blocking you so 334 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: I never have to see this again. Speaking of which 335 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: I think flow Bear would hate social media. 336 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably because it is so. 337 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: Full of people having revelatory experiences that aren't really that revelatory. Yeah, 338 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 1: which I understand. There is a flip though not related 339 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: to flow bear at all, But after you're talking about 340 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: the Lucky ten thousand, have you had that opposite experience 341 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: where something that you thought was a universal experience people 342 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: are like or no, crazy, not everybody had that. 343 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: Yes. 344 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: Mine are so odd and goofy and so stupid that 345 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: I would ever have thought everybody had that experience. 346 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have an example off the top of 347 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: your head. I thought everybody read Jim Carroll growing up. Uh. 348 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: No, So when I would like casually reference the Book 349 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: of Nods, like I was, you know, hipster extraordinary in 350 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, they would be like, what are you 351 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: talking about? And I'm like, Jim Carroll, what's wrong with you, 352 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: Jim Carroll, here's the basketball diaries. Come on, Jim Carroll. 353 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: And they would be like, Holly, we did not read 354 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: all of the heroin journals that you read apparently growing up. 355 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: But to me, I was like, of course you did. 356 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: Everybody I knew read them, my like seven friends. Ah sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. 357 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm hard pressed to think of like an actual good 358 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: example right now, but I have had this experience at 359 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: work on the show. Not in a while, but like 360 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: in the past, we have gotten emails from people that 361 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: were like, hey, I just found this thing out for 362 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: the first time. You should do an episode on it, 363 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: because like, I don't think anybody knows about this, and 364 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: it's something that was like a part of my fifth 365 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: grade history class or something where I'm like, obviously everyone right, 366 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, no, Tracy, you just you learned 367 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: that because you lived in North Carolina and that's where 368 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: whatever the thing was happened, right. Yeah. 369 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: My other said I thought everybody knew clowns. I love 370 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: that though. 371 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: That's funny to me because I grew up in you know, 372 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: like Florida where there is clown school. 373 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 374 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can't throw a rock without hitting a clown, like, 375 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you're in theater or the arts at all, 376 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: you know people who were clowns. Yeah, And so I 377 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: just thought everybody knew clowns. 378 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: It turns out they don't. No, I know clowns. 379 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: So when I would say things casually like the clowns 380 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: taught me that, right, people would be like, shouldn't excuse 381 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: I know clowns because it's but it's because of the 382 00:20:49,160 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: theater stuff more broadly, right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. One 383 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: thing we didn't talk about was contextualizing Flaubert's trial in 384 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: relation to other writers that did not get the same 385 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: good fortune. 386 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: Right. 387 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: Charles Baudlaire, poet that I love, was put on trial 388 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: like essentially the same thing six months after Gustave Flaubert, 389 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: and he was found guilty. I think he was put 390 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: on trial for thirteen poems, yeah, and six of them 391 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: were found to be immoral. But he didn't suffer a 392 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: lot because of this. He was fine and his publisher 393 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: was fine. 394 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 395 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 1: Incidentally, one of the first poems I ever memorized was 396 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: the first part of by Charles Baudlair, and I to 397 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: this day I still know it. Soissages madulau reti to 398 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: recula melesis il dessent le'voisi an atmospherub. 399 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: Lucisi. 400 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: Forever I will be on my deathbed and I will 401 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: still be able to say that poem. It's a good one. 402 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: Read it in English, it's also good. Yeah, be still 403 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: my pain. I also had a revelation okay, that I 404 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: have never had before. Okay, while trying to like summarize 405 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: Madame Bowerie this round. 406 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: This is gonna be so funny to me. 407 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: If your revelation is something that everyone already knows, Probably 408 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: it is, but I don't know. I in trying to 409 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: write the summary of the novel and trying to point 410 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: out that Emma Bovary is ultimately revealed to be quite selfish, 411 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, even when she's up against it and people 412 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: are like no, no, no, no no, She's like, yeah, 413 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: of course, let's buy more curtains. I was like, oh, 414 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: my gosh, was she part of the inspiration for Daisy 415 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: and Gatsby? 416 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: Oh? 417 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: But like from a different point of view, because Daisy 418 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: is very wealthy and can afford all these things. But 419 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: she is empty and kind of pursuing things that will 420 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: give her a thrill. And I was like, oh, my goodness, 421 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: is this a could I if I travel back in time, 422 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: could I go to graduate school and write an entire 423 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: thesis on this? 424 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: Maybe? 425 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe. But also that also falls under that same 426 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: idea that everybody understands wanting more than you have or 427 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: different than you have, and wanting to find something that 428 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: excites you. My Gatsby memory, aside from having read that 429 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: also for school, maybe in college, is that when I 430 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: was getting married and we were planning our wedding and 431 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 1: I decided that we were going to have a twenties 432 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: theme wedding, I realized that there were a lot of 433 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: other people who were writing about their wedding inspirations, who 434 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: were describing their like roaring twenties kind of flapper wedding 435 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: as as that. And I'm like, no, not a great 436 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: Gatsby wedding. You shouldn't have a great Gatsby wedding, Greg, 437 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: the great Gasbee is not a good theme for a wedding. Well, 438 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: I'll make the case that that great party is worth 439 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: recreating that. 440 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: I can see that argument. 441 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: I think that's probably what people are doing, not like, hey, 442 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: let's use people and run them over with our car, 443 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: right right, And that's sort of why I think it's 444 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: weird to say that your wedding is a Great Gatsby wedding. 445 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: So that when I when then I was like, you know, 446 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: having meetings about wedding planning, I was like, it's the 447 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: twenties wedding, not Great Gatsby. It's not a Great Gatsby wedding. 448 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: It's just, Yeah, that doesn't bother me as much because 449 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: I presume they're borrowing the style of it and not 450 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: the mentality of the characters, and that is a good 451 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: shorthand for a lot of people that maybe are having 452 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: trouble like the twenties. 453 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: Nineteen twenties. 454 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, although now like you timed it right, 455 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: because I feel like now the nineteen twenties is so 456 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: played out. Sure as a party theme, maybe, Yeah, it 457 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: was super fun though. I had a good time. You 458 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: made my dress, thank you, I did. I did make 459 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: your dress. There's a lot of beads on that third dress. 460 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 461 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: I've only made a couple of wedding dresses since then. 462 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: I used to do them all the time, and I 463 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: have slowed down in my old age. You have to 464 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: be very much a person that I really really adore 465 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: before I'll make you a wedding dress at this point, 466 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: because I used to do a lot of bridle, like 467 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: as a size asshole, and that was not fun because 468 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: one like, there's just too much. There's too much stress 469 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: on what people think a garment can do. 470 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: For sure. Sure that made it not very fun for me. 471 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: And also I just realized pretty quickly I just want 472 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: to design clothes for me and like the style I want. 473 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to create other people's visions. 474 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 2: Go for it. 475 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: Go for it I do all the time, all the time, 476 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: all day, every day, stitching away over here. If anybody 477 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: has not read Gustav Labert's Madam Bovary, I highly recommend it. 478 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: There are also some good movie adaptations. They all take license, sure, 479 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: like the one from is It fourteen with Miawazakowska is 480 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: pretty good. It leaves out some stuff like in the 481 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: novel Madame Bovarie and Charles have a child. 482 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: She does not appear in it. 483 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: The coda where the apothecary kind of gets great recognition 484 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: even though he's kind of a social climber. Weasel that 485 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: is not in none of that's in there. It ends 486 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: with just the end of Emma Bovary, but it's still 487 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: pretty good. There's an actor in it who has some 488 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: very questionable stuff in his life that m you got 489 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: to overlook if you're going to do it. 490 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: But it is quite good. 491 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: There are many others to French language and English language 492 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: if people just want to watch movies. But I really 493 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: like this book because I think it is a good 494 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: examination of the way people can be very intoxicated by 495 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: the promise of something else giving their life. Meaning, oh sure, sure, 496 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: Like I said, I will talk about Bovy all day 497 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: every day. 498 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: I just love it. There you go. It was very funny. 499 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: I was talking you with one of my very best 500 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: friends the other day and I was telling her I 501 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: was working on this, and she's like, have you read 502 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: Madam Brain. 503 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, have I read Madam over? 504 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: Like she been off more than she was ready for 505 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: in the I was like, I'm sorry, I've nerded up 506 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: this conversation. I'm just like, and then this happens, and 507 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: this is important because and it was like, yeah, don't 508 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: do it. Don't open Pandora's box. If you're not ready. 509 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: If this is your weekend coming up, I hope you 510 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: don't accidentally open up any Pandora's boxes you don't want. 511 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: If you get to read some books, whether that's classic literature, 512 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: new trashy fiction, great, I'm never gonna judge whatever is 513 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: going to make you happy and feel enriched. If you 514 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: don't have time off and you have to do you know, 515 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: work or have other responsibilities, don't get to sit on 516 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: your bedonc on your couch like is my favorite activity 517 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: on the weekend. I hope that your days go smoothly, 518 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: everyone is kind to one another, that we all remember 519 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: to take care of each other. These are the important things. 520 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: We sure are grateful that you are here listening. We 521 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: will be back on Monday with something brand new, and tomorrow. 522 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: We will have a classic. 523 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: Stuff you missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. 524 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 525 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.