WEBVTT - From the Vault: Pacific Navigation, Part 1

0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. This is

0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And today we've

0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.160
<v Speaker 1>got an episode for you from the vault. This is

0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.480
<v Speaker 1>part one of our series on Pacific Island navigation, which

0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.480
<v Speaker 1>originally aired July seven. This was a really fun series.

0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh my mind was was truly expanded by the stuff

0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.000
<v Speaker 1>we read for this episode. Uh so we hope you

0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:35.400
<v Speaker 1>enjoy Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, production of

0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:44.600
<v Speaker 1>My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.080
<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And

0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.239
<v Speaker 1>for a couple of episodes, maybe more. We're not sure

0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.440
<v Speaker 1>how these things ultimately fall together, but we're gonna be

0:00:54.480 --> 0:01:00.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about how humans discovered and ultimately colonized the Polynesian Islands,

0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.760
<v Speaker 1>places we know today as uh the Islands of Hawaii,

0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Easter Island, New Zealand, Tonga, Samoa, Tahiti, the Cook Islands, Fiji,

0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:14.000
<v Speaker 1>uh Tuvalu, and more so in our in our information

0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.560
<v Speaker 1>and intercontinental travel age. Though I feel like these names

0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.800
<v Speaker 1>may seem very familiar and known, even though they might

0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:25.000
<v Speaker 1>be places that we also paradoxically know are very far away.

0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.080
<v Speaker 1>From us. We may know that they are, in many cases,

0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:34.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, vastly separated from other islands. But just because

0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.080
<v Speaker 1>we can pull up pictures of them, just because we know,

0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:38.840
<v Speaker 1>we could book a flight to one of these if

0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.080
<v Speaker 1>we so desired, Uh, they may seem closer, they may

0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.520
<v Speaker 1>see the world may seem smaller than it actually is.

0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a very limited way of imagining what

0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.360
<v Speaker 1>planet Earth is where you know, you say, okay, somebody

0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.000
<v Speaker 1>picture the Earth, and and what do people picture. I

0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.200
<v Speaker 1>think they probably picture looking down at some continental part

0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.360
<v Speaker 1>of the Earth, maybe seeing mountain ranges, maybe seeing the

0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Sahara Dessert or something. But often people picture land, right,

0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.000
<v Speaker 1>they picture the continents. But if you look at Earth

0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.520
<v Speaker 1>from space, what it's really characterized by his ocean. Ocean

0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.920
<v Speaker 1>covers most of the Earth's surface, and there's one ocean

0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.240
<v Speaker 1>in particular that really takes the cake. It's the Pacific Ocean. Yeah. Yeah,

0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.200
<v Speaker 1>but but I definitely wanted to drive home just how

0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.960
<v Speaker 1>large the territories we're talking about here, and we're when

0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.240
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the colonization of this region, we're not

0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.320
<v Speaker 1>talking about European colonization. We're talking about the original human

0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:31.840
<v Speaker 1>sailors who departed from Asia and gradually settled the remainder

0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.680
<v Speaker 1>of the world, uh, setting off into the unknown. But

0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:41.400
<v Speaker 1>then also depending on navigation, some really fascinating navigation techniques

0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that we'll get into in order to uh to to

0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.639
<v Speaker 1>chart this region. So yeah, when you look at at

0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a map of the globe, it depends on how you're

0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.280
<v Speaker 1>looking at it. Right, If you're you're taking a very

0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.040
<v Speaker 1>um uh, North America centric version and a very North

0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.639
<v Speaker 1>America centric globe, you're like, all right, there's the Earth,

0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.760
<v Speaker 1>it's mostly US, it's mostly North America. But you turn

0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.280
<v Speaker 1>it around, you uh, you turn it to the Pacific side,

0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.160
<v Speaker 1>and you're looking at a water world, a true water world.

0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.480
<v Speaker 1>You're you're looking at a side of the globe that

0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.840
<v Speaker 1>is almost all Pacific Ocean. Because the Pacific Ocean is

0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.560
<v Speaker 1>just simply enormous. It's the largest and the deepest averse oceans.

0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:24.160
<v Speaker 1>We're talking sixty three million, eight hundred thousand square miles,

0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.200
<v Speaker 1>that's approximately a hundred and sixty five million, two hundred

0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand square kilometers, and it takes up one

0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.600
<v Speaker 1>third of Earth's surface or thirty percent of it, depending

0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.320
<v Speaker 1>on who's doing the calculation. It contains the deepest parts

0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.880
<v Speaker 1>of the oceans, and it contains more than half of

0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the world's open water supply. Specifically within the realm of

0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.680
<v Speaker 1>of Polynesia and Micronesia, these these subdivisions of parts of Oceania,

0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.920
<v Speaker 1>which is the you know, the region of the Pacific

0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.200
<v Speaker 1>containing the Pacific Islands where people live, um there in

0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.119
<v Speaker 1>this part of the world. There's an author named David

0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Lewis whose book I'm going to refer to throughout these episodes.

0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:01.640
<v Speaker 1>But there's a part of his book where he says

0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.240
<v Speaker 1>that if you exclude New Zealand, within Polynesia and Micronesia,

0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:10.160
<v Speaker 1>there are two parts land to every one thousand parts water.

0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Uh So this is this is an area characterized almost

0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.960
<v Speaker 1>entirely by water, but polka dotted with these little hubs

0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:22.400
<v Speaker 1>of land throughout. Yeah, various far flung islands that people

0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.400
<v Speaker 1>were able to to eventually colonize and and and make

0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.880
<v Speaker 1>their home. And it's yeah, it's it's fascinating. How again,

0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I've I've been to I've been fortunate enough to travel

0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.200
<v Speaker 1>to you know, say that some of the Hawaiian islands

0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.039
<v Speaker 1>and you get there and you know, they're they're amazing

0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.599
<v Speaker 1>But but like, I don't have the experience of of

0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.800
<v Speaker 1>just the open Pacific, of of the of the many places,

0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the majority of the places in the Pacific Ocean where

0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.839
<v Speaker 1>there is no side of land, where there is only

0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.160
<v Speaker 1>the open water. Now, you don't have to be deep

0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:57.800
<v Speaker 1>into historical theories of human migration to grasp the question

0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.479
<v Speaker 1>of like looking at all these islands in the Pacific,

0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.600
<v Speaker 1>seeing how far away they are from each other, how

0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.120
<v Speaker 1>how small a percent of the area of the Pacific

0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Ocean the islands represent, and notice how many of them

0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.640
<v Speaker 1>are populated by people, and wonder, how on earth did

0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that happen? How did people find and settle on all

0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.360
<v Speaker 1>of these tiny islands in this vast ocean. Yeah, it's

0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.320
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a fascinating question one that one that we're

0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.440
<v Speaker 1>still exploring to this day. We're still figuring out. But

0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be getting in a little bit more into

0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the history of it and certainly into the navigational techniques

0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.760
<v Speaker 1>the amazing ways that these these ancient sailors made their

0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.480
<v Speaker 1>way across the open ocean. But first of all, let's

0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.200
<v Speaker 1>let's go ahead and just drive home that while while

0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.960
<v Speaker 1>human colonization of the Pacific Islands is one of the

0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:50.440
<v Speaker 1>most recent human migration movements in our history. It still retains,

0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, more than a few mysteries and using everything

0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.240
<v Speaker 1>from traditional histories and linguistic analysis to climate models and genetics,

0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.000
<v Speaker 1>researchers are still continuing to try and figure out exactly

0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:05.760
<v Speaker 1>how this migration occurred, when it occurred, where, uh, you know,

0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.720
<v Speaker 1>where where we went where humans migrated to first in

0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.800
<v Speaker 1>this and so we're going to be dealing with some

0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.240
<v Speaker 1>tentative dates here as we we roll through, like the

0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.320
<v Speaker 1>basic story of human migration across the Pacific. So, according

0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to Linda Noreene Schaefer in Maritime Southeast Asia to five hundred,

0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:30.080
<v Speaker 1>this was a book that came out in the ancestors

0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:34.920
<v Speaker 1>of Maleo Polynesians left the mainland to settle Um the

0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:39.760
<v Speaker 1>island of Taiwan around four thousand BC, and from there

0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.480
<v Speaker 1>they moved into what is now the Philippines and Indonesia,

0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and then during the third millennium BC, they moved on

0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.520
<v Speaker 1>to settle the islands uh And and Peninsula peninsulas of

0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:54.279
<v Speaker 1>what Schaefer refers to as Southeast Asia's maritime realm, and

0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.839
<v Speaker 1>the people who remained there came to be known as

0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the Malays. So from here we see movement of the

0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.360
<v Speaker 1>aim people's further out into the Ocean UH, the very

0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:07.520
<v Speaker 1>movement of human migration that would eventually become the Polynesians.

0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.280
<v Speaker 1>By fifteen hundred b C. They had reached as far

0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.840
<v Speaker 1>as the Bismarck Archipelago north east of New Guinea and

0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Um and Schaefer rights that within a few centuries they

0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.760
<v Speaker 1>had spread to West Polynesia that's Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, and

0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Polynesian sailors, explorers and colonists continued and eventually they're eventually

0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.360
<v Speaker 1>reached and colonized the far more remote eastward islands of Hawaii,

0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.880
<v Speaker 1>UM what is now New Zealand, and what we have

0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.200
<v Speaker 1>also come to refer to as Easter Island or Rapa Nui.

0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.720
<v Speaker 1>All right, so now let's try and put some dates

0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.080
<v Speaker 1>on all of this. But of course all of this

0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.520
<v Speaker 1>is UH is playing out over a long period of time,

0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's still an area of ongoing study and discussion,

0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:54.440
<v Speaker 1>So these dates are tended. In schaefer work, Some of

0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:58.040
<v Speaker 1>the estimated dates she sites include Rapa Nui around five

0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:02.840
<v Speaker 1>hundred CE, although estimates seem I've seen estimates that suggest

0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.640
<v Speaker 1>as early as three hundred c E. And then uh

0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:11.320
<v Speaker 1>in ninete, the University of Hawaii's Dennis um Kawajarada suggested

0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the following dates. He says, Okay, hundreds and gathers inhabited

0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Australia and New Guinea by fifty thousand years ago, and

0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.880
<v Speaker 1>then around the between sixteen hundred and twelve hundred b

0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:26.600
<v Speaker 1>c E. A cultural complex called Lapita had spread from

0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:30.760
<v Speaker 1>New Guinea in Melanesia to as far east as Fiji, Samoa,

0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and Tonga, and then Polynesian culture developed at the eastern

0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.040
<v Speaker 1>edge of this region. And then he says that around

0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.440
<v Speaker 1>three hundred b C. Or earlier, seafares from Samoa and

0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Tonga discovered and settled islands to the east what are

0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.599
<v Speaker 1>known now it's the Cook Islands, uh Tahiti, Nui, uh To,

0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Omotos and Hiva. And then around three hundred sea or earlier,

0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.640
<v Speaker 1>voyagers from central or eastern Polynesia discovered in settled eastern island,

0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.719
<v Speaker 1>and then around four hundred sea or earlier, voyagers from

0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the Cook Islands Tahiti, Nua and or He settled Hawaii.

0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.000
<v Speaker 1>And then around one thousand CE or earlier, he wrote

0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that the voyagers from the Society Islands and or the

0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Cook Islands settled what is now in New Zealand. Now again,

0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.840
<v Speaker 1>these are just tentative dates. Um. There. You know, there's

0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.640
<v Speaker 1>been a lot of other work. For instance, according to

0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the University of Hawaii at Manoa anthropologist Terry Hunt, and

0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:24.240
<v Speaker 1>this is via Hokalua dot com, which will refer back

0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.640
<v Speaker 1>to that website some more in the future. Uh. They

0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.040
<v Speaker 1>were part of a radio carbon study looking at artifacts

0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.680
<v Speaker 1>from the island and they adjusted some of the suggested

0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.160
<v Speaker 1>timelines based on that work, ultimately arguing for a more

0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:39.360
<v Speaker 1>rapid and recent colonization of the outer islands. Specifically, he

0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.160
<v Speaker 1>proposed Samoa around eight hundred b c e, the Central

0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Society Islands between ten and eleven twenty, and dispersal into

0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.520
<v Speaker 1>New Zealand, Hawaii and Rapa Nui in other locations between

0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:57.040
<v Speaker 1>eleven ninety and twelve nineties. Um, and I've seen twelve

0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred CE is sometimes cited as the most recent possibilit

0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.200
<v Speaker 1>pity for Rappa Newly colonization. And so yeah, I know

0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:04.920
<v Speaker 1>we're hitting every one of a lot of dates here.

0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.959
<v Speaker 1>I highly suggest going out on your own and finding

0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.000
<v Speaker 1>some of these sources and pouring over them in more

0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.160
<v Speaker 1>detail if you want to get get a clear picture

0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:13.840
<v Speaker 1>of how this is going. There are also some wonderful

0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.960
<v Speaker 1>visual aids depicting uh, you know, exactly how these waves

0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.719
<v Speaker 1>of migration might have looked UH. And I'm always fascinated

0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.600
<v Speaker 1>by those uh even though they you know, they often change. Again,

0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.680
<v Speaker 1>they're subject to the same uh level of change that

0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.600
<v Speaker 1>we see with some of the possible dates for arrivals

0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.080
<v Speaker 1>and colonizations, etcetera. And again, it's a very exciting area

0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.240
<v Speaker 1>of study, and you'll you'll see papers arguing for the

0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.839
<v Speaker 1>for for other things as well, the likes of South

0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:45.160
<v Speaker 1>American and even Antarctic contact by various Polynesian people, UM

0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and UH. And I it's my understanding I didn't go

0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:48.960
<v Speaker 1>deep into some of those. I think some of those

0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.040
<v Speaker 1>are are kind of controversial or some of them and

0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.720
<v Speaker 1>certainly some of the evidence is maybe not as as solid.

0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.959
<v Speaker 1>But it just to give you an idea of where

0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.400
<v Speaker 1>some of the research is going today and what people

0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.480
<v Speaker 1>are looking at. UM. Regardless of the exact dates, you know,

0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:07.359
<v Speaker 1>we can't discount the wonder and accomplishment of the whole scenario.

0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.840
<v Speaker 1>You know that this This was this last age of

0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:16.360
<v Speaker 1>true human um exodus, true human discovery and colonization, visiting

0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:21.319
<v Speaker 1>places that humans had never been before, creating a foothold

0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.760
<v Speaker 1>of human civilization in places that had belonged only um,

0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, to various animals before, in the case of

0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.400
<v Speaker 1>the Laggan Islands, places where the no mammals had ever

0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.880
<v Speaker 1>arrived there, that had not flown or swam through the seas.

0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.360
<v Speaker 1>You know that you had to have been a bat

0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.320
<v Speaker 1>or a seal. I want to read a quote from

0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.120
<v Speaker 1>from the University of Hawaii's Dennis Colorada here for which

0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.720
<v Speaker 1>he he really sums a lot of this up um.

0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.319
<v Speaker 1>And again this is from there. That um hoku lea

0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.960
<v Speaker 1>website at hokal dot com. That's h o k u

0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.800
<v Speaker 1>l e a dot com. Uh, he writes quote. The

0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Polynesian migration to Whai was part of one of the

0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.720
<v Speaker 1>most remarkable achievements of humanity, the discovery and settlement of

0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.200
<v Speaker 1>the remote, widely scattered islands of the Central Pacific. The

0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.760
<v Speaker 1>migration began before the birth of Christ, while Europeans were

0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.440
<v Speaker 1>sailing close to the coastlines of continents before developing navigational

0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.080
<v Speaker 1>instruments that would allow them to venture out into the

0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.920
<v Speaker 1>open ocean. Voyagers from Fiji, Tonga, and Samoa began to

0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.080
<v Speaker 1>settle islands in an ocean area of over ten million

0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.640
<v Speaker 1>square miles. The settlement took a thousand years to complete

0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and involve finding and fixing in mind the position of

0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.520
<v Speaker 1>islands sometimes less than a mile in diameter, on on

0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.800
<v Speaker 1>which the highest landmark was a coconut tree. By the

0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:43.160
<v Speaker 1>time European explorers into the Pacific Ocean in the sixteenth century,

0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.520
<v Speaker 1>almost all the habitable islands had been settled for hundreds

0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.559
<v Speaker 1>of years. It's truly remarkable. Yeah, especially when you, I

0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.840
<v Speaker 1>mean you get beyond the exact timelines and you start

0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.319
<v Speaker 1>looking at how they traveled and how they navigated, UM,

0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and what these islands were like when they found them. Uh,

0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.280
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be you know, we're gonna get into more

0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.240
<v Speaker 1>into the navigation models UM, either later in this episode

0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.400
<v Speaker 1>or in the next. But as Calahorada points out, what

0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.920
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about voyages conducted entirely in canoes made from

0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.640
<v Speaker 1>wood and coconut fiber, constructed with tools made from bone,

0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.760
<v Speaker 1>rock and coral. They use sails woven from coconut or

0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.560
<v Speaker 1>or pandana sleeves, and when no win was available, they paddled.

0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.480
<v Speaker 1>And these were dangerous voyages as well, not only at

0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.199
<v Speaker 1>open sea, but when you arrived on some of these places,

0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:33.000
<v Speaker 1>it's easy to imagine this sort of stereotypical like Paradise Island. Uh,

0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.400
<v Speaker 1>you know vision where Okay, you've reached the island, the

0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.679
<v Speaker 1>dangerous part is done. Now you're in this place. It's

0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:42.560
<v Speaker 1>lush and full of life, but that's not really when

0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you get there. Yeah, like there's gonna be you know,

0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of animals ready for the picking, and you know,

0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.480
<v Speaker 1>there there. If you get into specifics, there are some

0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.880
<v Speaker 1>cases where there's some sort of of of of of

0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.480
<v Speaker 1>of natural, naturally occurring animal on that island or the

0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.599
<v Speaker 1>waters around it that are perhaps easier pickings. But in

0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.920
<v Speaker 1>other bass you're dealing with environments where again, like they're

0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.000
<v Speaker 1>they're just no mammals, there are no large meaty birds.

0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, they're they're desolate, they're played. In some cases,

0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.880
<v Speaker 1>there was very difficult for humans to you know, find

0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the resources they needed to survive, unless they of course

0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.560
<v Speaker 1>brought them with them on voyages, which adds this other

0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.120
<v Speaker 1>wrinkle to these to these voyages, that you would have

0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to bring things like pigs, chickens, et cetera. So at

0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the same time, I want to drive home that there's

0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.760
<v Speaker 1>no one island environment here. There's a wide variety in

0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the sorts of islands and island environments you encounter across

0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.600
<v Speaker 1>this vast region. Uh So the story is gonna be

0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.160
<v Speaker 1>a little different each time. So again, in many cases

0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.480
<v Speaker 1>they had to bring important plant or animal species with them,

0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.560
<v Speaker 1>which of course is the same story you see in

0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.040
<v Speaker 1>land based migration, except with the challenges of an open boat.

0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.120
<v Speaker 1>And so you'd end up with this first wave of

0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.000
<v Speaker 1>invasive species on the island. And these are often called

0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.880
<v Speaker 1>canoe plants and canoe animals because again that's how they

0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.960
<v Speaker 1>reach their destinations. And ultimately we're talking daw pigs, chickens,

0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:05.040
<v Speaker 1>but also plants such as sugarcane, banana, coconut, taro, and

0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.080
<v Speaker 1>bad boot. So some of these plants that are so

0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, linked in the mind and linked culturally to

0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.040
<v Speaker 1>these islands, that you have to remind yourself that they

0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.200
<v Speaker 1>were not always there. They were brought with them with

0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the people who settled these islands. Yeah, though personally right

0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.120
<v Speaker 1>now my mind is fixated on the idea of having

0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to make long sea voyages with like a canoe full

0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.520
<v Speaker 1>of chickens. Yeah, but it it was done. And uh,

0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and as we'll get into much later, you know, in

0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.800
<v Speaker 1>order to prove that these voyages were possible, they had

0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:34.680
<v Speaker 1>to do things like bringing animals with them on the

0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.600
<v Speaker 1>test voyages. So uh, it's it's fascinating now on this

0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.080
<v Speaker 1>topic of of the the environments on these different islands

0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.760
<v Speaker 1>and how they weren't fully stocked life nourishing buffets. I

0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.320
<v Speaker 1>thought that that David Lewis made an excellent point in

0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.280
<v Speaker 1>that book that you you mentioned briefly earlier. Oh yeah,

0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.240
<v Speaker 1>So to name this book, I'm gonna be referring to

0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.600
<v Speaker 1>it throughout these episodes. It's one I've been reading that

0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.520
<v Speaker 1>is a seminal work in the history of studies of

0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Pacific island navigation. And this was originally published by the

0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.240
<v Speaker 1>University of Hawaii Press in nineteen seventy two. It was

0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.280
<v Speaker 1>by a medical doctor, sailor and scholar named David Lewis,

0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's called We the Navigators, The Ancient Art of

0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Land Finding in the Pacific. I was published in seventy two,

0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.800
<v Speaker 1>but I think updated with some subsequent editions at least

0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.960
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen nine, and it may have gone through other

0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.680
<v Speaker 1>editions since then. But this is a really interesting book

0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:29.080
<v Speaker 1>because its studies traditional Pacific navigation and land finding techniques,

0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.160
<v Speaker 1>not just by the the indirect evidence of trying to

0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.080
<v Speaker 1>like look at the history, but actually by putting them

0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:40.600
<v Speaker 1>to direct experiments, so navigating with experienced master navigators from

0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:45.920
<v Speaker 1>various Pacific islands and studying their techniques firsthand. Yeah. Yeah.

0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.360
<v Speaker 1>And and the point that that Lewis makes about the

0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.720
<v Speaker 1>stark environments was really neat because it meant that the

0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.560
<v Speaker 1>dangerous voyage to get to these islands and establish yourself

0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.480
<v Speaker 1>on these islands. You it didn't mean that you could stop.

0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.400
<v Speaker 1>In many cases, you would have to keep making voyages

0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.440
<v Speaker 1>because there were certain resources that you could not get

0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.280
<v Speaker 1>at the new island. But we're worth the dangerous journey

0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.719
<v Speaker 1>to acquire. Uh. The example that that Lewis brings up

0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.080
<v Speaker 1>is the lack of hard stone on the Cook Island

0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.760
<v Speaker 1>of Puka Puka, requiring journeys to take place uh two

0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.359
<v Speaker 1>islands where hard stone could be acquired for use in

0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.000
<v Speaker 1>vital tool construction. And he writes that these would have

0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.880
<v Speaker 1>been complex trading cycles that would have also been influenced by,

0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, other human factors like the sense of you know,

0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.879
<v Speaker 1>the desire for adventure, the um or, and also the

0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.879
<v Speaker 1>necessity of exile, which I found interesting, like ultimately the

0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.359
<v Speaker 1>idea of having a complex culture and cultural dynamics on

0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a single island. What what where do you send people?

0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Where do people run to? Uh? If if there if

0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.359
<v Speaker 1>there's some sort of political turmoil on the island, so

0:17:50.480 --> 0:18:00.280
<v Speaker 1>contact sometimes remains in place because of that as well. Now,

0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.320
<v Speaker 1>before we get into the specifics of of of navigation

0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:08.520
<v Speaker 1>in among Pacific islanders and the colonizing of Polynesia, I

0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.600
<v Speaker 1>thought we might briefly touch on some of the basics

0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:16.119
<v Speaker 1>of sailing and navigation, is larger trends and human technology. UM.

0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.400
<v Speaker 1>We could easily do a proper even multi episode invention

0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.080
<v Speaker 1>episode about ships. But here are some of the key

0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.960
<v Speaker 1>dates provided in the seventy grade Inventions of the Ancient

0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.680
<v Speaker 1>World by Brian Fagan at all um, a book I

0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.280
<v Speaker 1>refer to that I referred to a lot, uh because

0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.800
<v Speaker 1>it's really good and again highly recommend people pick up

0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.720
<v Speaker 1>a copy of it. UM. But Fagan and the various

0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.440
<v Speaker 1>co authors that he worked on with the various sailing

0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.639
<v Speaker 1>and ship based chapters points out that seagoing watercraft just

0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.600
<v Speaker 1>in general dates back probably before forty thousand b CE.

0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:53.000
<v Speaker 1>In Southeast Asia and Indonesia. We see longboats from Neanderthal

0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.520
<v Speaker 1>cultures from seventy two hundred b c E and we

0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.920
<v Speaker 1>see low graphs from seventh century BC and mess of Botania. Again,

0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.199
<v Speaker 1>these are just general dates based on some of the

0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.040
<v Speaker 1>earliest evidence we have. And then as far as things

0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 1>like plank boats, and that goes back to like three

0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:13.160
<v Speaker 1>thousand BC in Egypt Um. And then finally we get

0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.240
<v Speaker 1>up to the frame first boats in the second and

0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.440
<v Speaker 1>third century CE in in my in what is now

0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:22.720
<v Speaker 1>all England. And as far as sailing, we have depictions

0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:26.159
<v Speaker 1>of sales from thirty one b C in Egypt. We

0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.879
<v Speaker 1>see two masted ships from sixth century in BC BC

0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.760
<v Speaker 1>in Egypt, and the oldest surviving sale comes from the

0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.320
<v Speaker 1>second century BC in Egypt. But again these are just

0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:42.520
<v Speaker 1>some of the oldest direct evidence that we have or depictions, descriptions, etcetera.

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.399
<v Speaker 1>As Fagan points out in the section on navigation, with

0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Sean mcgrail, author of Boats of the World and professor

0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.600
<v Speaker 1>of Maritime archaeology. The earliest voyages for our ancestors would

0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.240
<v Speaker 1>have remained within sight of land. Landmarks and sea marks

0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.679
<v Speaker 1>would have been key to navigation. And we see this

0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:03.200
<v Speaker 1>reflected in record did traditions and classical and medieval sailing manuals.

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Makes sense, right, I mean it's like if if any

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.320
<v Speaker 1>of us were to set out on a boat into

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.440
<v Speaker 1>the water, I would want to keep land in sight.

0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I need to know where that land is. So all

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.640
<v Speaker 1>of this early Uh, you know, oceanic activity would have

0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.800
<v Speaker 1>taken place withinside of land, and we depended upon things

0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.240
<v Speaker 1>you could notice on land. Uh. You know your frame

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.720
<v Speaker 1>of reference. Reference was based on the place you came from. Sure,

0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.240
<v Speaker 1>but what happens when you leave side of land. Well,

0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.720
<v Speaker 1>by the mid second millennium BC, sailors in the South

0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Pacific were of course doing this by means of what

0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:40.520
<v Speaker 1>we call environmental navigation. We'll be getting into this at length. Uh,

0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.520
<v Speaker 1>but you know, at this point you have to travel

0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.119
<v Speaker 1>beyond dependence on coastal landmarks and sea marks. But that

0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that there's not an order and language to

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the open ocean. And for those who had the wisdom

0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.720
<v Speaker 1>and the observational skills, of the accumulated knowledge of their ancestors.

0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 1>They could plot their way by these queues, they could

0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 1>recognize them, they could read them app of the ocean.

0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Now we'll get into the details of this in a bit,

0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.720
<v Speaker 1>but as Fagan and mcgrail point out, you'll find indirect

0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:11.560
<v Speaker 1>references to environmental navigation methodologies in Homer's the Odyssey as

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.800
<v Speaker 1>well as in the medieval text of the Life of St. Brendan.

0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And environmental navigation would have been used in some form

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:22.680
<v Speaker 1>worldwide by the first millennium CE, and that's when instruments

0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:24.880
<v Speaker 1>began to pop up. That's when we begin to use

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:29.520
<v Speaker 1>these various technological things to help us, uh make our

0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.320
<v Speaker 1>way across the open water. But with the navigators of

0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Islands, we're talking again about peak environmental navigation,

0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.879
<v Speaker 1>a level of advancement that exceeded anything else in the

0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:42.760
<v Speaker 1>rest of the world, anything else that the rest of

0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the world was capable of, or had been capable of,

0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.880
<v Speaker 1>um aweing some of the first Europeans to encounter such

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.439
<v Speaker 1>techniques and for a while seeming simply impossible to some

0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Western minds. Uh, you know that, for for a while

0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.600
<v Speaker 1>it just seemed impossible that, oh, the people who are

0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, they live in these islands. They must be

0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.240
<v Speaker 1>here by accident, they must be here by mistake, and

0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:08.040
<v Speaker 1>they're merely survivors of the ocean. They're not masters of

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.919
<v Speaker 1>its navigation. But as we'll get to they were. They

0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.639
<v Speaker 1>were the masters. That's exactly right, And that's actually one

0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.200
<v Speaker 1>of the main points that David Lewis makes in this book,

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:20.200
<v Speaker 1>We the Navigators. Um. He was responding in some ways

0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 1>to kind of trends in scholarship on the on the

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.000
<v Speaker 1>settlement of the Pacific Islands that had tended to say that, well,

0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a large number of these islands must have just been

0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 1>settled and discovered by accident, right, that maybe a fisherman

0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.679
<v Speaker 1>or traders were out at sea and they became lost,

0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:40.440
<v Speaker 1>they drifted off course, and just by happenstance they drifted

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.439
<v Speaker 1>to new islands that hadn't been settled before, and then

0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.680
<v Speaker 1>having discovered them, those islands could be settled. Of course,

0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:49.400
<v Speaker 1>it is possible that some islands were discovered this way,

0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.679
<v Speaker 1>but Lewis pushes back, arguing that there's actually a pretty

0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:57.119
<v Speaker 1>good evidence for a a program of deliberate exploration and

0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.240
<v Speaker 1>very accurate navigation by the sailors of the time time

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.200
<v Speaker 1>to to locate islands and settle them. So maybe actually

0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:07.120
<v Speaker 1>it's time to introduce this book more fully that I've

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 1>been reading, because I wanted to mention a number of

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 1>things that he talks about in it. So again, the

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.040
<v Speaker 1>book is called We the Navigators, The Ancient Art of

0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Land Finding in the Pacific. It was first published in

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two, and the author, David Lewis, was, as

0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, he was a medical doctor. He was an

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.800
<v Speaker 1>experienced amateur sailor, so he had participated in like you know,

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.840
<v Speaker 1>yacht races and things like that, and a scholar. He

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.280
<v Speaker 1>was born in England, but he was raised in New

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Zealand and Rahirotonga in the Cook Islands in the South Pacific.

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:40.640
<v Speaker 1>And Lewis had been a sailing and kayaking enthusiast for

0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:43.560
<v Speaker 1>much of his life. He had done some competitive sailing,

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:47.879
<v Speaker 1>including a Transatlantic single handed yacht race in nineteen sixty

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and at least one circumnavigation of the globe in a catamaran,

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and inspired by his experiences with long sea voyages in

0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:00.600
<v Speaker 1>small boats and his love of Polynesian culture since his childhood,

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties, he got a grant from Australian

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:09.720
<v Speaker 1>National University to study traditional Polynesian navigation techniques that did

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 1>not rely on charts or scientific instruments. And he did

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:18.679
<v Speaker 1>this research by learning directly from several older Polynesian sailors

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 1>and master navigators, experimenting firsthand with voyages across the Pacific

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:26.239
<v Speaker 1>with these navigators at the helm or experimenting with what

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:30.400
<v Speaker 1>they taught him. And so there are three basic sources

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.360
<v Speaker 1>of non documentary information that he talks about. So one

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:39.680
<v Speaker 1>is shore based instruction on ancient navigation techniques from knowledgeable

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 1>navigators in the Carolinians, the Santa cruz Reef Islanders and

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 1>two groups of Tucopeans uh Niningo Islanders, Gilbert E's and Tongans.

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 1>And then he also gets instruction during navigation itself on

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:58.480
<v Speaker 1>his yacht known as the Ispjorn, which is under the

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.359
<v Speaker 1>command of two older mass Ster navigators who helped him

0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 1>with his research. One is a man named Tivak of

0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 1>the Santa cruz Reef Islands and another is named Hippo

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Or of Pula Watt in the Carolines. And I like

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 1>the approach here because actually uh he opens his book

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:18.919
<v Speaker 1>by talking about the fact that understanding indigenous navigation of

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the Pacific has been really held back by what he

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>calls an overly theoretical approach. Uh, you know, just people

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 1>trying to, uh look at indirect evidence to understand how

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:34.439
<v Speaker 1>the navigation happened, rather than doing firsthand voyages with the

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 1>navigators themselves. Yeah, actually diving into the accumulated knowledge of

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 1>these cultures on navigation in some cases. So there's a

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of interesting stuff about this book. One of the

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 1>interesting things he mentions early on is he says when

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>he was growing up in Polynesia, he says to his

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 1>elder Polynesian cousins, Uh, the ocean quote was a homely

0:25:55.840 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and not unfriendly place. And that's interesting because it, I mean, obviously,

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 1>as a land lubber like me thinks the idea of

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 1>voyaging out on the ocean in a canoe is like

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:11.120
<v Speaker 1>inherently just sounds terrifying, right, But to some extent that

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 1>is cultural. That's like, because I'm not used to the

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:16.959
<v Speaker 1>idea and to people that have a culture of of

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 1>long ocean voyages in small watercraft like these canoes and catamarans. Uh,

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 1>It's it's not necessarily such a scary thing. I mean,

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 1>of course, ocean voyages do always involve dangers, but under

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>the guidance of these long tested, ancient navigational techniques, if

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:34.120
<v Speaker 1>you know what you're doing and you know where you're going,

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 1>it is actually not necessarily a scary thing to do.

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 1>In fact, it could be a sort of joyful part

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>of your culture. But on the other hand, thinking about

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the ocean as a homely and not unfriendly place, this

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>might cause you to assume that spending a lot of

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>time at sea would would make ancient Pacific islanders have

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 1>a kind of intuitive feel for ocean navigation that couldn't

0:26:58.280 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 1>be put into words the same way that you have

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.439
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of skills you have. You know, there

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:03.160
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of things that if you do them

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>enough and you get good at them, you know what

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 1>to do and you can do it well. But you

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 1>couldn't necessarily explain to somebody else why you're doing what

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 1>you're doing. But Lewis strongly resists this type of characterization

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 1>about Pacific island navigation. He says it's in fact the

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>exact opposite. He writes, quote one further notable feature of

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>what we were told and had shown to us was

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>that never once did anyone lay claim to any form

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 1>of quote sixth cents. A navigator had reason to believe

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that land lay over the horizon because he had observed

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>certain signs that told him so, not on account of

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.440
<v Speaker 1>some vague intuition. And I think this is a really

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 1>important point to hammer home about how ancient Pacific island

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>navigation worked. It wasn't that you've got a feel for

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>it and then you just instinctively knew what to do.

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>It was based on knowledge and well calibrated external signs,

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>And so I think that means it it probably makes

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 1>more sense to think of ancient Pacific navigation as more

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 1>of a science than an art. You're not just getting

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>a feel for things and relying on your intuition, but

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>referencing specific markers and indicators of your position, though these

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 1>markers might be mostly invisible to people who didn't know

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>exactly what to look for. Yeah, I mean it makes

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>sense right the science, that you would need the science

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to get there, because that the the ocean is ultimately unforgiving.

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you were just going on a gut instinct,

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you might you might be right some of the time,

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.639
<v Speaker 1>but if you get it really wrong once then you

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>might not be coming back to shore exactly, and that

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>really comes through in studying these techniques. It is based

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:46.239
<v Speaker 1>on specific markers, specific pieces of knowledge, specific cues in

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the environment, and a major point of of Lewis's book

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>is how accurate these specific techniques and external markers were

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>in the hands of a master Pacific navigator who knew

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>what they were doing UH. He writes that navigators of

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Polynesia and Micronesia seem to employ basically all of the

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 1>same techniques with only slight variations. He says the only

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>major differences were the features of local geography, because a

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of these UM methods of navigation do rely on

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 1>knowing where specific islands in the area you're navigating are,

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>so that would be different depending on what island groups

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 1>you're sailing between. But otherwise the techniques are extremely similar,

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and he says that throughout Polynesia and Micronesia, he said

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 1>that the techniques were employed basically with the same level

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:37.479
<v Speaker 1>of effectiveness, measured by the accuracy at landfall, which in

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>general was highly accurate, especially astonishingly accurate for not using

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>UH tools and equipment that are available to twentieth century navigators.

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Than now. I wanted to come back to a fact

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.719
<v Speaker 1>I already mentioned once earlier, but it's this astonishing figure

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>that that Lewis gives talking about the world Old of

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the Polynesians and the Micronesians, saying that they inhabit a

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>world of ocean. Again, if you exclude New Zealand, this

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>area of the globe has two parts land to every

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 1>one thousand parts water. And then he mentioned something about

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>this that I thought was really interesting. He writes, quote,

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>ocean spaces can inhibit contact, though terrestrial features like mountain

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>ranges may do so equally, but they become highways rather

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>than barriers as marine technology, especially navigation, becomes effective. I

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>had never thought about that before, but I think that

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly right. So you can have various barriers to

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>travel and communication between different regions and cultures. But whereas

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>a mountain on land is always a barrier, you know,

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 1>even if you build a road through it, the mountain

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 1>will still slow you down. You're making a road through

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>it just makes it sort of less of a barrier.

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>The ocean is something that can transition from a brick

0:30:56.600 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 1>wall to a super highway once you have the the

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>skill and the knowledge and the technology of to figure

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>out where you're going and how to get there, and

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>you have the right kind of watercraft, the ocean turns

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>into the most efficient method of travel in the world. Yeah,

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>that's an excellent point. Now, there's one thing that has

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 1>made studying Pacific islander navigation more difficult than it might

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 1>otherwise be, which is that in many of these societies,

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>or maybe all of them, and definitely most of them, Uh,

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>navigational lore seems to have been something that was often

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>kept secret and only shared with a small group of

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>initiated experts. So it wasn't just that everybody in a

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>in a Micronesian or Polynesian society knew how to navigate

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>on the open ocean, but that you would have sort

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>of a class of educated navigators who would have this

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>this lore about how to get from place to place

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>within their brains and would be passed on to the

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>next generation of navigators. But it wouldn't be general knowledge

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>that was shared by everyone. And that will make even

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>more sense as we'd get into some of the details

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>of say, navigating by stars and what that entailed, you

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>realize that this required specialized training and a specialized eye

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 1>and not everybody who's going to necessarily be cut out

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>for it, and it wouldn't make sense for everyone to

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>to invest this level of time and energy into the

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>understanding of it, right, And it's interesting. I don't know

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>exactly what all of the pressures leading to it being

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>a sort of specialized bit of of exclusive lore among

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>a special class of navigators would be. I mean, there

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>might have been economic concerns keeping it contained that way,

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>or it might have just been sort of you know,

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the difficulty of training people to to have all of

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>this knowledge in their head. I'm not quite sure, but

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>that's an interesting question as well. Now there's another thing

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>that Lewis gets into in his book which I thought

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>was really interesting about Again, when you just look at

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 1>the problem of you look at a map of the

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Pacific Ocean and you think, how could it be possible

0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>to navigate you know, these vast distances without you know,

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>modern scientific types of equipment or charts and that kind

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>of thing. And uh. And there is one aspect of

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>it that helps make the problem seem more comprehensible, and

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>it's this Lewis writes that it is possible, quote to

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>sail to almost all the inhabited islands of Oceania from

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Southeast Asia without once making a sea crossing longer than

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>three hundred and ten miles. The only exceptions are Easter Island,

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Hawaii and New Zealand, though the most predictable routes between

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Eastern and Western Polynesia are also long such isolated lands apart.

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 1>The majority of gaps between islands and even archipelagos are

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>well under three hundred and ten miles, and usually in

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the fifty to two hundred mile range. Since no one

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>wants to cross more open ocean than necessary, it follows

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that most passages were of this order. So if you

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>know your Pacific geography and you know where the islands

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>are and how to navigate to, the the problem of

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>crossing the vast ocean actually can sometimes be decomposed into

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>many smaller journeys between islands, and the vast Pacific ocean

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>problem can be broken up into a kind of stepping

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>stone pattern. However, this does not mean that ancient Pacific

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>islanders were incapable of longer sea voyages. They were not,

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes they did make them. Now, coming back to

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the idea that Lewis pushes back against that many of

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>the islands of the Pacific would have been settled initially

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 1>through random drifts of people who found new islands by

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 1>accident while drifting about after you know, becoming lost or

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.879
<v Speaker 1>something like that. Lewis pushes back against that, and one

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>line of evidence he sites is computer simulations of human

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 1>spread and settlement through random drifts. He writes of this

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>subject quote, Contrary to expectations, the results showed that while

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.760
<v Speaker 1>accidental advent upon a number of island groups was likely,

0:34:56.120 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>drifts could not account for certain crucial contact stages. These

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 1>were virtually impossible except as exploratory probes and subsequent deliberately

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>mounted ventures. The probability of drifts occurring was negligible or

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>zero across the following seaways Western Melanesia to Fiji, Eastern

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Polynesia to Hawaii, New Zealand, or Eastern Island Eastern Polynesian

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:23.360
<v Speaker 1>contact with the America's in either direction, the probability of

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 1>their having been drifts from western to Eastern Polynesia, and

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>from Western Polynesia to the Marquesas zone was very low,

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and so here Louis is arguing that not only were

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.240
<v Speaker 1>the navigators of the ancient Pacific islands able to travel

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>uh with with great accuracy between known islands and island groups.

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>That they also appear to have mounted these deliberate, intentional

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>exploratory ventures into new waters to find islands that had

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 1>not yet been discovered, and of course, in doing so,

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 1>would have the knowledge to be able to locate these

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>islands again upon you know, going back home and then returning,

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>which again is astounding. Yeah, yeah, simply astounding. And I

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of these the counter ideas, the ideas, yeah,

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 1>that that these had to be accidents, these you know,

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 1>these people, that people could possibly have set out and

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 1>discovered these I mean, it's such a I guess a

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>landsman approach, you know, based on a you know, it's

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the kind of analysis that a culture that is that

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>is more situated on the land and and does not

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>view the ocean as the majority of the world or

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 1>their world. I keep coming back to this, uh analysis

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that for the for instance, the Polynesians, most of the

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>world was ocean and and and generally that's not the

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of worldview you encounter with with with Western civilizations.

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>And now certainly you have certain you know, civilizations and

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>cultures within the civilizations that are more uh nautical and

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>more dependent on maritime traditions. But but even then it's

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it's it's often the case that they are they're more

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 1>attached to the land, they closer to the continent, and

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>in these cases we're dealing with with with islands within

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>just a vast world of water. Now, there's one big

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>question that Lewis also addresses in his book, which is

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the question of what happened to so much of this,

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 1>this ancient Pacific navigational knowledge. Right, clearly some people in

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century still possess it, but this seems to

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>have become increasingly rare. Uh. And you could easily blame

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the import of foreign navigation equipment and techniques by other cultures. Right, So,

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 1>if you have brought in charts and compasses and things

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:36.280
<v Speaker 1>like that from from elsewhere, there's less need to rely

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>on the ancient navigational lore to get from place to place.

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately it doesn't seem like that's the only cause.

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 1>It also seems that by the last few centuries, many

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>island groups in the Pacific came to be ruled by

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>foreign empires, and those empires in many cases simply forbade

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:58.279
<v Speaker 1>travel between islands. Lewis writes in in one footnote in

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>the book, quote the banning by your European administrations of

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Inner Island canoe travel must have been a potent cause

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 1>of navigational decline. Voyages were forbidden, for instance, in the Carolines.

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 1>In German times, it Illan attributed the loss of traditional

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 1>lore on Nningo to the effect of the old German regulations.

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Prohibitions remain in force today, and this would have been

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:23.800
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy two in among other places, the Tahiti group,

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and voyaging is strongly discouraged in the Gilbert's Not only

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>must atrophy of knowledge have resulted, but deliberate voyages had

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>to be kept secret. Advent upon another island was invariably

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 1>attributed to accident. So this seems to be one of

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the detrimental effects of various colonialisms on on on the

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Pacific islands that it would have led to a steepening

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:50.359
<v Speaker 1>decline in the ancient navigational lore and the passing down

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of this knowledge about how to navigate by the stars

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>and these other signs, because there was simply less opportunity

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 1>for people to navigate to, you know, go out in

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the open ocean the way they would have for now

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting too though that there are exceptions to this,

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:08.320
<v Speaker 1>uh as well. I was looking at this on that

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>that Hokolea website and over there that they discussed and

0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 1>this is also discussed at UM on the website for

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the for the Bishop Museum UM in Hawaii on the

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.720
<v Speaker 1>island of Oahu, which is an excellent museum about various

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.399
<v Speaker 1>Polynesian cultures and gets into a lot of what we're

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>discussing here. Definitely worth visiting if you if you make

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 1>it out to Oahu. UM. But that as as discussed

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>these on the both of these sources, the art of

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>deep sea voyaging in Hawaii had it been extinct for

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 1>several hundred years before contact with Europeans. So this period

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>of of long voyages ended along with all contact with

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>other Polynesian islands, and they lived in near complete isolation

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 1>until seventeen seventy eight, right, So that's fascinating as well. Yeah,

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>so there could be a number of causes there. So

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 1>there's also there's like, in one sense, you could have

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a kind of natural atrophy of knowledge, and then there

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>could be some loss of knowledge by by imposition of

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>colonial rule, and then also some loss of knowledge by

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the introduction of alternative methods for travel. Yeah, but fortunately

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 1>not all the knowledge was lost, and so we have

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the accounts of of Lewis doing this firsthand research with

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:22.399
<v Speaker 1>with master navigators like hip or and and Tevik. And

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I was going to get into some of the specifics

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 1>of of these navigation techniques in this episode, but we're

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 1>already running kind of long, so I think maybe we

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>should call it there and then come and talk about

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the navigation techniques in part two. Yeah, how to read

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 1>these environmental cues and engage in environmental navigation and then

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 1>and then also some of the history of proving it

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>out and then what what that those experiments those uh uh,

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 1>those those voyages approved about history itself. So join us

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>next time as we continue to discuss this topic. In

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 1>the meantime, if you would have liked to listen to

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>other episodes of Stuff to Blow Your Mind, you'll find

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>them in the Stuff to Blow your Mind podcast feed,

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.480
<v Speaker 1>and that can be found wherever you get your podcasts.

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 1>We just asked that wherever that happens to be, just rate,

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 1>review and subscribe if you have the power to do so.

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>We we greatly appreciate anyone that does that. That helps

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 1>us out. I love a good star rating, Love Good subscription,

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>keep it in huge thanks as always to our excellent

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>audio producer Seth Nicholas Johnson. If you would like to

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>get in touch with us with feedback on this episode

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>or any other, to suggest a topic for the future,

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 1>just to say hello, you can email us at contact

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>that Stuff to Blow Your Mind dot com Stuff to

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Blow Your Mind's production of I Heart Radio for more

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 1>podcasts for my heart Radio with the iHeart Radio app,

0:41:45.480 --> 0:42:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Apple Podcasts, or wherever you're listening to your favorite shows.

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Proper char