Speaker 1: Well, hello, Hey, what's up man?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say, like, I remember you used
Speaker 3: to do our morning announcements.
Speaker 1: Dude, you met, You sent me a text and you
Speaker 1: said I wanted to talk about how you used to
Speaker 1: do the morning announcements at our school. Yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: a gecko. Uh yeah, I went to Franklin High School.
Speaker 3: Uh back in weren't you used to dude, they used
Speaker 3: to do our morning announcements.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to do the morning announcements of Franklin
Speaker 1: High School back in two thousand, shit those ten years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: That's fucking crazy, dude.
Speaker 1: Now you're a gecko, now, my gecko.
Speaker 2: That's insane.
Speaker 3: That's so inspirational, and you could be anything you ever
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 1: I thought, what did you say? Did you think I
Speaker 1: was good at the morning announcements?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I thought you were pretty solid at it. I thought
Speaker 3: you going to like a new station or something, but
Speaker 3: you did it your own way.
Speaker 4: What.
Speaker 1: I don't don't give you your last name, but what's
Speaker 1: your first name? I don't know who you are?
Speaker 2: Dan? Daniel?
Speaker 1: Fuck, I actually actually have no idea who you are.
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were you graduated like I think a year
Speaker 3: or two before I did. I graduated twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Wait, do we know each other?
Speaker 3: You probably know my older cousin.
Speaker 1: What's your older cousin's first name?
Speaker 2: Alan?
Speaker 1: Did your older cousin once throw a huge party? Dude?
Speaker 3: That was he did once?
Speaker 1: Were you were you there?
Speaker 2: I was not. He actually dicked me. He didn't invite me.
Speaker 1: He didn't fucking invite you. I don't think he invited me.
Speaker 1: I think I just showed up.
Speaker 3: He just dicked me. I live right down the street too.
Speaker 3: I kind of touched off.
Speaker 1: That was a legend. That was a legendary party. I
Speaker 1: remember showing up at that party and feeling like it's
Speaker 1: maybe the weirdest I've felt in my whole Some of
Speaker 1: the weirdest I've ever felt in my whole life is
Speaker 1: like being at like a college party where I can
Speaker 1: not a cost the high school party, where like I
Speaker 1: could see other people like who were good at socializing
Speaker 1: and like being whatever. I was so nervous. I was
Speaker 1: just like standing in I remember, just like I was
Speaker 1: at the party. I was just standing in one spot,
Speaker 1: just trying really hard to like get through the night
Speaker 1: or find someone that I knew that I could talk
Speaker 1: to just to like get through the night. I used
Speaker 1: to be really bad. I used to be a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to just like not know how to just
Speaker 1: inhabit space. I had so much social anxiety. And then
Speaker 1: what happens is, over the course of the next ten years,
Speaker 1: I slowly realized that uh uh, nothing and no one
Speaker 1: matters at all, And now I have and now I
Speaker 1: don't have enough social anxiety. I actually need more to
Speaker 1: prevent myself from uh uh, annoying someone by talking to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not true. I actually I do. I do still
Speaker 1: have social anxiety in some situations, but less of in
Speaker 1: less of a like, No, that's not true. I have
Speaker 1: social anxiety in some situations. I was recently in a
Speaker 1: situation where I had some social anxiety. But I also
Speaker 1: I don't social this is I don't. I've kind of
Speaker 1: come to the conclusion. I've come to the conclusion that
Speaker 1: I am correct in all of my social interactions, not
Speaker 1: in the sense of like I'm like right about everything,
Speaker 1: but that as long as I'm not being a dick, like,
Speaker 1: however our interaction goes is fine. Like if I'm a
Speaker 1: little awkward or if I'm a little cringey or whatever, like,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm still I'm valid in my own existence
Speaker 1: as a human being, and so I don't there's no
Speaker 1: way for me to embarrass myself in front of someone.
Speaker 1: There's only like, there's only like I like, if I'm
Speaker 1: like being a dick or if I'm being rude, that's different.
Speaker 1: But there's no way for me to like be annoying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could, you could be annoying, but you're
Speaker 1: still if you're annoying, you can still be correct and
Speaker 1: valid in your existence. Do you know what I do?
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: I do get what you're saying. It's it's deep. It's
Speaker 3: like if you're if you're trying to just speak your arm,
Speaker 3: you know, and like you're not being disrespectful, Like there's
Speaker 3: no way you could be wrong technically.
Speaker 1: Exactly right, exactly because the social anxiety comes from like, oh,
Speaker 1: people are judging me, and it's like, well, judging you
Speaker 1: on what you know, what the.
Speaker 3: Dress up as a get go for the first time?
Speaker 3: What inspired that?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: What are you doing now, Daniel? What do you what
Speaker 1: do you what did you grow up to be?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm accounting, but I just got fired.
Speaker 1: So, oh, you get why'd you get fired?
Speaker 3: I said it was performance related, but it was really
Speaker 3: I think because I took.
Speaker 2: Some time off work.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, yeah, they probably weren't happy about it around this.
Speaker 1: What did you take? What did you take time off
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: How do I explain the how do you I spent
Speaker 3: some I spent some time in jail. Let's just let's
Speaker 3: just say that.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, is that related to why you got fired?
Speaker 3: Probably they said it was performance related, but I mean
Speaker 3: you take some time off and uh, you know you're
Speaker 3: performance really in it.
Speaker 1: I mean when you say you took some time off,
Speaker 1: did you like call out of work for personal reasons
Speaker 1: and not explain why? Like how long were you in
Speaker 1: jail for?
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, like I told him, Hey, I got some
Speaker 3: personal stuff going on, like I had to messag, jump
Speaker 3: off my laptop.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So how long were you in jail for? For?
Speaker 3: Like ten days?
Speaker 2: It was a fun experience at all.
Speaker 3: I highly recommend that not be a good experience and
Speaker 3: not to go there.
Speaker 1: What hap what happens?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: I don't I really don't want to talk about the
Speaker 3: details because the storm.
Speaker 1: I'm going, well, you don't have to, but like can
Speaker 1: I what what? What can we hear? Because I'm so
Speaker 1: we I feel like I gotta know some I.
Speaker 3: Mean, like long story short, like a domestic situation where
Speaker 3: my ex started breaking things and called the cops and
Speaker 3: I was when I got in trouble.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. I thought I thought I would have
Speaker 1: thought I would I I knowing, I thought you were.
Speaker 1: I thought you were trapping.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I did
Speaker 3: that back in the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah that runs of the family.
Speaker 3: Not in the family, No, just just the mind, dumb
Speaker 3: ass on.
Speaker 1: I thought your cousin trapped?
Speaker 3: No, no, what were you?
Speaker 1: Were you trapping? In high school?
Speaker 2: A little bit?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Here and there Ermin and German?
Speaker 1: Did I ever buy weed? Did I ever buy weed
Speaker 1: for you in high school?
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I really don't it.
Speaker 1: Maybe who who did you sell weed to? In high school?
Speaker 1: Give me their full name. Don't give me their full name,
Speaker 1: give me their first name.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of people that were like, I don't,
Speaker 3: I don't know, like I don't, I don't even like
Speaker 3: it's so long ago, I don't even remember. Like everyone
Speaker 3: it was a lot of different random people from all
Speaker 3: took me really to the random at parts of Maryland,
Speaker 3: a farm where I myself in like Prell County.
Speaker 1: Can I be? Can I actually be honest with you?
Speaker 3: Be something?
Speaker 1: So when I was in high school, I had a
Speaker 1: lot of friends who trapped, and it always that was
Speaker 1: kind of that actually might still to this day be
Speaker 1: one of my great aspiration. I mean, it's never gonna
Speaker 1: come to It's another lifetime, right, But like selling, we
Speaker 1: like being, you know, being twenty, Like Okay, what am
Speaker 1: I gonna say? Like the lifestyle of trapping while you're
Speaker 1: in high school, it always looked so fun to me.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be fun to do.
Speaker 3: I remember this guy named Sasha, I tell tell me more, bro,
Speaker 3: He's mean, he's just gotten himself in like the craziest
Speaker 3: situations I've ever heard of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like the like all the guys who would
Speaker 1: like and I was friends with some of them, like
Speaker 1: the dude, the drug dealer guys. They always seemed like
Speaker 1: they were having like I'm sure it was like it
Speaker 1: was stressful. There was like a ton of like obviously
Speaker 1: you know you're uh. This was like ten years ago
Speaker 1: before weed was like fucking legal everywhere, but like there
Speaker 1: was always like like obviously it's a lot of stress,
Speaker 1: like you can get caught, you go to jail for
Speaker 1: a long time, but it just looked fun like some
Speaker 1: like like one of the things I love about like
Speaker 1: my life right now is like I love running around,
Speaker 1: you know, like I like being able to like travel
Speaker 1: running around. They would always be running around. They're always
Speaker 1: running around, like they're alway, They're always getting a text
Speaker 1: from some guy. They're always like they seemed like it
Speaker 1: seemed like they had a lot of friends and like
Speaker 1: they had a lot of places to be. And yes,
Speaker 1: I know, of course it's like, well they're only friends
Speaker 1: with them for their weed or you know this anything,
Speaker 1: but it just seemed like a fun way to like, yes,
Speaker 1: it just seems like a fun way to like connect
Speaker 1: with a bunch of people. Now, listen, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it now. If I were twenty eight and
Speaker 1: selling weed the high schoolers, I that does not sound
Speaker 1: like a fun experience. But being sixteen and just like
Speaker 1: driving around like you would smoke everyone up, you know,
Speaker 1: like because everyone knew that you were fucking uh, that
Speaker 1: you were packing right, and you kind of felt like
Speaker 1: the man. You kind of felt like an alpha provider.
Speaker 1: You know, you were like packing everyone's bowl, Like I
Speaker 1: just the kids, the kids who did that. I just
Speaker 1: was like I always envied that lifestyle. I was wondering
Speaker 1: how they got it.
Speaker 3: Do you remember do you remember there used to be
Speaker 3: a lifestyle where people used to buy like glass and
Speaker 3: bongs for like thousands of dollars, and like you would
Speaker 3: walk into the plug's house and he would have like
Speaker 3: a bong or like a fucking y rig that he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, this thing is made by.
Speaker 2: Some wook on.
Speaker 3: Top of a mountain with the lightning stright, and he
Speaker 3: carves his.
Speaker 2: Name into it.
Speaker 3: You can see, like with a lead pencil. He carves
Speaker 3: his name into it. And yes, it's the most rare
Speaker 3: thing on earth. If you smoke out of this thing,
Speaker 3: if she smoked this hash out of this, it will
Speaker 3: cure cancer.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2: No. You can't use tap.
Speaker 3: Water in my bong. It'll leave a mark. You have
Speaker 3: to distilled water.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely no. I remember like there was a certain
Speaker 1: level of Again, I like, everything is like there's so
Speaker 1: many there's so many pros and cons to like the
Speaker 1: ten year experience of realizing that like, none of none,
Speaker 1: none of the fucking shit matters, because I kind of
Speaker 1: miss back in the day when uh, like, social status
Speaker 1: was so easily pronounced by just like who had the
Speaker 1: coolest and most expensive rig. You'd go to the plugs
Speaker 1: house and you'd have, yeah, like a fucking Rick and
Speaker 1: Morty bong that was worth like one thousand dollars, and
Speaker 1: you'd be like, holy shit, how did this guy get
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars piece? And now if you go to
Speaker 1: if you go to your friend's house and he has
Speaker 1: like a thousand dollars bong, You're like, dude, what are
Speaker 1: you doing with your life?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 3: Man, I got to bounce off the phone in a second.
Speaker 3: But it was good chatting with you.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, it was a good chat.
Speaker 3: Definitely good Ermin and German on the phone and like
Speaker 3: reminiscent a little bit about the path.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, maybe in another life I'll sell way to
Speaker 1: you in high school, in whatever the next universe we
Speaker 1: we inhabit is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, come buy Riser Tound sometime.
Speaker 1: All right, wait, what's going on over there? Absolutely nothing
Speaker 1: sounds fun. It's all right, man, Well good luck, I'll
Speaker 1: see I'll see you around the universe. Wait, what do
Speaker 1: you wait? What are you gonna go do? What are
Speaker 1: you doing right now?
Speaker 2: I'm actually about to go buy a car.
Speaker 1: At a car Okay, car two.
Speaker 3: Thousand and four Mercedes Benz E five hundred.
Speaker 1: Well who you buying it from?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Somebody in the city. I'm actually sending my friends to
Speaker 3: buy it because I think it's just a better idea.
Speaker 1: Wait, so why do you have to leave if your
Speaker 1: friends are going to go buy it?
Speaker 3: I'm not They're here to like pick like pick up
Speaker 3: some stuff and go do that for me. But I'm
Speaker 3: on hoom detention, so I can't wait.
Speaker 1: If you're okay, I was gonna ask why you couldn't
Speaker 1: go that you have. That's nice of your friends to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, I got to bounce off the phone man.
Speaker 3: All right, another time.
Speaker 1: I'll see you around the universe. See you, Dan. God
Speaker 1: the party that that guy's cousin through was I was
Speaker 1: an awful night in my life, so racked with anxiety
Speaker 1: and I know how to even do anything. Fucking Dan, dude. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see he turned out. Okay, glad to
Speaker 1: see you turned out. Well, everything works out in the end.
Speaker 3: To accept press one to send a voicemail.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: Oh hey, what's that man?
Speaker 1: What's your name?
Speaker 2: Dude? Uh? You can call me beat b B.
Speaker 1: What's going on? B? How's life?
Speaker 2: Life is life? And you know I been going through
Speaker 2: a rough patch, but just closed on a house the
Speaker 2: other day, and you know, chilling?
Speaker 1: What's been rough? How about this this here patch?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: So went through a bit of depression after I stopped
Speaker 2: drinking alcohol sober now? And then I cheated on my
Speaker 2: wife with her sister.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, why why I keep going?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, just poor decisions and very bad mental health.
Speaker 1: So you're so, I actually find this fascinating because I'm
Speaker 1: so quitting drinking made you more depressed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I had coped with like depression for like
Speaker 2: eight or nine years with alcohol and alcohol alone. So
Speaker 2: once I stopped drinking, I didn't have that coping any
Speaker 2: coping skills.
Speaker 1: So what how are you? When did you quit drinking?
Speaker 1: When did you quit drinking?
Speaker 2: Uh? A little over two years ago?
Speaker 1: Ah, So what do you How do you cope now?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Spend a lot of time with my kid and smoke
Speaker 2: some weed, okay, and play Little Stardy Valley whenever I'm
Speaker 2: not working on my house now, so.
Speaker 1: You swapped alcohol with like weed and video games and
Speaker 1: hanging out with your kid.
Speaker 2: Kind of been spending as much time as I can
Speaker 2: with my kid.
Speaker 1: Are you depressed?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would say so. Still on medications, trying
Speaker 2: to find the right one. But you know, getting a
Speaker 2: house is a big step in the right direction for me.
Speaker 1: Pretty good, Pretty good, I've been you.
Speaker 2: Know, I'm thirty and I've been living with my parents
Speaker 2: for like seven months.
Speaker 1: How many kids do you have?
Speaker 2: I only have the one?
Speaker 1: Okay, how old are they?
Speaker 2: He is four years old, and luckily my ex wife
Speaker 2: and I we are able to co parent very well.
Speaker 2: Less in that scenario.
Speaker 1: Is she like still is she still pissed off of
Speaker 1: you for cheating on her with your sister? With her,
Speaker 1: not with if she if you cheat on her with
Speaker 1: your sister, she'd probably be like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: not even mad. Just keep them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she would have. It probably would have been better. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's where my life has been. Uh, just
Speaker 2: trying to fix the uh wreckage I caused and me
Speaker 2: and her sister are no contact because once everything blew up,
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, I fucked up, and then I
Speaker 2: stopped talking to her.
Speaker 1: Hm hm, why did you have some form of like
Speaker 1: actual like romantic relation, Like were you involved with the sister?
Speaker 2: Like it got into like a romantic kind of thing. Uh.
Speaker 2: She I realized, well, well too late and after everything
Speaker 2: blew up that she's like a really good manipulator and
Speaker 2: she took advantage of my depression and where I was mentally. Whoa,
Speaker 2: So I noticed that after I didn't know that that
Speaker 2: was happening at the time. She was feeding me information,
Speaker 2: telling me like how her sister, my wife at the time,
Speaker 2: was wanting to leave me and all this stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: making me even more depressed, and then basically pulled me
Speaker 2: into her to comfort me with that. And then it
Speaker 2: led to more.
Speaker 1: Whoa, dude, how does something like that even start? Like
Speaker 1: you're at a family dinner and you're like, let me
Speaker 1: get your number.
Speaker 2: I have known both of them for like twelve years.
Speaker 2: So her sister actually introduced me to my now ex
Speaker 2: wife because we worked at the same place back in
Speaker 2: the day. Ah.
Speaker 1: She knew the sister first.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, and.
Speaker 2: She is married with three kids. And I don't even
Speaker 2: know what that scenario is, Like, I stay out of that,
Speaker 2: stay away from that I'm cleaning up my own mess.
Speaker 1: So how often do you have the kids?
Speaker 2: I have him? You know, three or four times a week?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And that it's just the one right like
Speaker 1: you're I mean, I know you said, just hope. Does
Speaker 1: your like wife have ur ex wife have any other kids?
Speaker 2: Nope, just the one.
Speaker 1: And so you and your ex wife co parent pretty decently.
Speaker 2: We do an excellent job, to the point that we
Speaker 2: both like get pissed off at me for fucking things
Speaker 2: up because we get along so well.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting When did this all go down?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: She found out about everything like the end of August
Speaker 2: last year. Then I had sort of a little mental break,
Speaker 2: spent a few days in a not so great psych ward,
Speaker 2: spent about five days there, and then was released to
Speaker 2: go sign my divorce papers.
Speaker 1: Damn the exit paper combo. She picked up from the hospital.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she picked me up from the psych ward and
Speaker 2: drove me. It was like an hour drive. She was
Speaker 2: her choice to do that. Strangely enough, we even stopped
Speaker 2: at Red Lobster and had lunch together on the way home.
Speaker 1: So did you enter a psych ward right after she
Speaker 1: found out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was everything finally just cracked and boiled over
Speaker 2: for me to where like, you know, I had been
Speaker 2: hiding a secret. I had been living alive for a
Speaker 2: long time, and once it was exposed, I just cracked.
Speaker 2: And there's kind of a fear I live with of
Speaker 2: like what if one day I do want to hurt myself?
Speaker 2: And it's never of like oh I want to hurt myself.
Speaker 2: But I felt weak that day and I just checked
Speaker 2: myself into a hospital. Who wait?
Speaker 1: So yeah, so what's that like? Like you just are like,
Speaker 1: oh I can't handle this and you check yourself into
Speaker 1: a psych word.
Speaker 2: I was on my way to work and I could
Speaker 2: either take the left to go to work or right
Speaker 2: to go to the emergency room and check myself in.
Speaker 2: And I just ended up taking it right and went
Speaker 2: to the hospital.
Speaker 1: Whoa. And what do you do? You just say, you
Speaker 1: just go in and you're like, yo, I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna think I'm gonna Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like yo, like I don't feel super safe,
Speaker 2: just want to check myself in.
Speaker 1: Whoa.
Speaker 2: And then you know I had to like get a
Speaker 2: hold of work to be like, hey, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: be a work for a grip. And then you know,
Speaker 2: I had to get a hold of my parents, let
Speaker 2: them know what was going on on.
Speaker 1: So what so what do you do? Like, what are
Speaker 1: you doing there? You like read books?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read a book. They encourage you to do
Speaker 2: like art. I have never been an artistic person, so
Speaker 2: I fucking hated it. But it was like the more
Speaker 2: you participate in their programs, uh, the quicker they release you.
Speaker 1: But you check yourself out get out of there anytime. Uh.
Speaker 2: They they were gonna hold me to three days, which
Speaker 2: is like their normal amount they'd do. And then my
Speaker 2: wife at the time came to visit and was like, hey,
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm filing for divorce. And then they
Speaker 2: claimed that was grounds enough that I might leave and
Speaker 2: hurt myself, so they kept me an extra two days.
Speaker 1: Fucked damn wait.
Speaker 2: I was like, you couldn't have Like when I got out,
Speaker 2: I was like, you couldn't have waited until I got
Speaker 2: back to the telling that's been another two days in there.
Speaker 1: So you're in the psych world and then your wife
Speaker 1: comes and serves you divorce papers and then the doctors
Speaker 1: or the staff is like, yeah, we're gonna keep you
Speaker 1: in here for a little bit longer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They were just like we're gonna They even told,
Speaker 2: like specifically, were like, hey, the reason is is because
Speaker 2: your ex wife said she's going to divorce you. That
Speaker 2: was kind of a bogus call because I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: like I already knew that one coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. That is the I think
Speaker 1: if you are if you're like I already knew that
Speaker 1: this might happen, they should be like all right, well no,
Speaker 1: they were, hey, go, so what's what's why are you depressed?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I mean there's a cog. I mean, there's eighty billion
Speaker 1: ways to questions, but what's why you depressed?
Speaker 2: You know that's been trying to figure out, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: what really is the root of my depression? And I
Speaker 2: have not found it therapist yet to be able to
Speaker 2: help me quite answer that question if there is a
Speaker 2: root cause or if there is just a chemical imbalance.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you like your life?
Speaker 2: I'm in the process of trying to get a new
Speaker 2: job because to make things even more interesting, I still
Speaker 2: work with the said sister. Oh no, yeah, it's fuck,
Speaker 2: it's fucking shitty.
Speaker 1: You guys still wait you're no contact but you don't
Speaker 1: but you work together?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't. I just don't speak to her
Speaker 2: at work.
Speaker 1: I okay, you're like no eye contact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a keep my head down around her. I'm
Speaker 2: not like, I don't want anyone to ever be like, hey,
Speaker 2: he was talking to her and get back to my
Speaker 2: ex wife because then she's she would take the kid away,
Speaker 2: and I choose my child over anyone else.
Speaker 1: So yo, what the fuck that's crazy?
Speaker 2: But yeah, working on getting a new job.
Speaker 1: That's good. What else is going on?
Speaker 2: Bought a house other day, been working on that and
Speaker 2: that's about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, hmmm.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have friends?
Speaker 2: Uh not? I mean I do, but nobody I speak
Speaker 2: to the past few days. One of my friends has
Speaker 2: been helped me help me work on like electrical stuff
Speaker 2: at the house. But like, that's the most I've interacted
Speaker 2: with another human being in a long time.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm not a real therapist, but I mean, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: the most depressed, the most depressed I have been in
Speaker 1: my life is always when I'm like fucking alone, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I try to plan things and then I
Speaker 2: like back out last minute, you know, just the energy
Speaker 2: of doing it. Do you like when I am planning Michigan.
Speaker 2: So I am, I'm going to follow through with that
Speaker 2: and I'm going up there with some friends.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: What what other?
Speaker 1: What things have you been like planning? Like your friend's
Speaker 1: text you like, yo, let's go out to the thing,
Speaker 1: and then you say yes, but you know, show up.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, we'll make plans to do something, and then
Speaker 2: last minute I'm like, hey, like, I can't do it.
Speaker 2: I got to do this instead, you know, like or whatever, bullshit,
Speaker 2: excuse I want to make up.
Speaker 1: And that's because you're just like exhausted.
Speaker 2: Exhausted even if I haven't done anything. Yeah hmm.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what do you do when you get home
Speaker 1: from work?
Speaker 2: Typically I will hang out with my kid for a
Speaker 2: little while if he's going to be going back to
Speaker 2: his mom's house. If not, I am either just trying
Speaker 2: to pick up time at work or I am playing
Speaker 2: video games.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about doing something that is gets you
Speaker 1: around like other people?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing about Plack. That's the thing about plans.
Speaker 1: I don't know like plans are. Actually I think plans
Speaker 1: are a bad plan. I say, I mean this is
Speaker 1: the I've repeat this on like every episode of the
Speaker 1: podcast by now. But like you have to find some
Speaker 1: activity or community where like it's the antithesis of plans.
Speaker 1: It's something where you just show up and life happens,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am from a small town, like small area
Speaker 2: in general, there's no like big towns around, so it
Speaker 2: is hard to find like a group of people too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what I mean in places like that,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what like churches for I don't know if.
Speaker 2: It really just I damn NERO went to church just
Speaker 2: to try it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that No, that means seriously, that is like what
Speaker 1: like the main reason for like it's just church in
Speaker 1: a small town is just like something where you can
Speaker 1: like show up and there's just like people you know there.
Speaker 2: I tried doing AA for the same kind of reason,
Speaker 2: just to yeah there we go, you know. But those
Speaker 2: are all like church based and it's hard to get
Speaker 2: into whenever they're like preaching instead of just like talking
Speaker 2: about life and it's more of just a church session I.
Speaker 1: Guess, sorry, talking about when they talk about like the
Speaker 1: higher power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the ones I've been to, I've been to
Speaker 2: two or three different ones, and each one They're all like,
Speaker 2: the only way you can do this is with God. Like, well,
Speaker 2: I've been doing it two years without them.
Speaker 1: Well God, well God and like higher power. Uh aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily the same thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they but they definitely are like pushing God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know what's God mean to you,
Speaker 1: like a like a physical.
Speaker 2: Anything floating around in the universe, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: different to you than he is to me and to
Speaker 2: the next person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well church is side. The only reason I mentioned
Speaker 1: church is because it's the only thing I didn't think of.
Speaker 1: That's like in a small town, I would say you
Speaker 1: should move, but you have a child and you want
Speaker 1: to child, and he just bought a house. Uh, it
Speaker 1: can't be that. I mean, dude, you there's gotta be
Speaker 1: something right, like you just need you just you just
Speaker 1: you need something where you're like out and around people,
Speaker 1: like I do think that is everyone's wired differently, but
Speaker 1: that at least just in my own life, that that
Speaker 1: to me is like one of the just the power
Speaker 1: players against you know, depression.
Speaker 2: If I could get past uh the bars being you
Speaker 2: know bars and serving alcohol and just being around at a bunch,
Speaker 2: I do enjoy playing pool. That's the setting is wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting. Oh that's fucking sucks. Yeah, damn because pool,
Speaker 1: because that's a good that's a good, that's a good
Speaker 1: thing like doing like a pool. Are you at a
Speaker 1: point where you can be Yeah, that sucks right because
Speaker 1: pool is like a good like legit ass like a
Speaker 1: community hobby thing like they have like tournaments and it's
Speaker 1: very social, but like it is inherently always around alcohol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I'm good around alcohol. I just realized I
Speaker 2: don't really like being around it too much. It does
Speaker 2: like trigger a little bit like wanting it. But I
Speaker 2: do kind of fight that off with when I get
Speaker 2: like an urge, I'll drink a THHC.
Speaker 1: Drink oh really like you know mix.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like bubbly and.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: So like that kind of fights the it or like
Speaker 2: itches the scratch there a little bit.
Speaker 1: So why don't you go to more and you start
Speaker 1: like going to more pool halls?
Speaker 2: Coming back to depression again, just not bringing myself to
Speaker 2: do it, not holding myself accountable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get you, man, I get you. I get you.
Speaker 1: I get you. I uh no, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like I have I have Yeah, I have friends who
Speaker 1: when they get depressed, they just like cut everyone off
Speaker 1: and they like don't want to do shit or talk
Speaker 1: to anyone. I feel the opposite where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: feel like, I like, if I'm depressed, I need to.
Speaker 3: Be around out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so at a certain point, against your
Speaker 1: own will, because that's the thing, where is it some
Speaker 1: part like against your own will? You have to do
Speaker 1: these things because it's not gonna feel because you for whatever,
Speaker 1: like our bodies are designed so stupidly, you know, because
Speaker 1: like you don't know how you're gonna feel in any
Speaker 1: given situation until you're actually there. But you have to
Speaker 1: like physically bring yourself to the thing before you realize
Speaker 1: that the thing is going to make you feel better
Speaker 1: than you would just sit around not doing shit.
Speaker 2: No, that totally makes sense. I did you know. A
Speaker 2: couple months ago, I finally brought myself to go to
Speaker 2: a reptile show.
Speaker 1: Well, why did sucks? Why did it suck? Why did
Speaker 1: it suck?
Speaker 2: They had so much packed into a tiny They had
Speaker 2: like a three story building and put it in one
Speaker 2: tiny room, and it was just like too much in
Speaker 2: one little room to like try to be able to
Speaker 2: see anything. So all the animals were cool. Uh, but
Speaker 2: I did find like the most authentic, like Mexican restaurant
Speaker 2: I could sign by just walking into a random place and.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: See that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the did you live your life?
Speaker 2: Non English or only English speaking person in there, And
Speaker 2: I was like, this is to be the best goddamn
Speaker 2: food I ever had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go. See that's fucking see. I listen,
Speaker 1: I'm no expert on solving depression, but I like, I've
Speaker 1: I have it, and I know what the fucking like.
Speaker 1: Depression just it goes it goes away as a result
Speaker 1: of like actually living your life, and it comes to
Speaker 1: you as a result of like stewing about your life,
Speaker 1: and so situations like that where you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited by walking into a new restaurant. Oh
Speaker 1: I'm in the moment of being with my kid. This
Speaker 1: that The other thing is whatever you can do to
Speaker 1: like be in your fucking life is is really like
Speaker 1: the only cure for it. No, you're absolutely right, And
Speaker 1: that's why alcohol. That's why alcohol is so Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's why people that's why alcohol is so addicting.
Speaker 1: Is because that's why addictions are addicting, is because they're
Speaker 1: people are just looking for ways to, you know, get
Speaker 1: into the present. Whether it's like sex or weed or
Speaker 1: food or whatever. We just want some dopamine hit that
Speaker 1: brings you into the present moment.
Speaker 2: And I do believe that's probably a part of the
Speaker 2: reason that, like, you know, coming back to the cheating,
Speaker 2: I needed that dopamine of someone I don't know, I
Speaker 2: guess showing affection in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's the That's a device
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know you can get addicted to it, for sure,
Speaker 1: but but that good news is you can also get
Speaker 1: addicted to pro social things like playing pool or hanging
Speaker 1: out with your friends or your kid or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know. No, you're right, I I do need to
Speaker 2: get out and try something.
Speaker 1: What's your name again, man?
Speaker 2: Uh, you can call me b B.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad we got to talk. This was this
Speaker 1: was nice, man.
Speaker 2: I'm glad I listened to you almost every day.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks man, I appreciate I'm honored to be part
Speaker 1: of your routine.
Speaker 2: But it was a pleasure talking to you. Man.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to say to the people of
Speaker 1: the computer before we go.
Speaker 2: I just talk to your spouse as if you're having
Speaker 2: issues your significant others than you, and that is.
Speaker 1: All it was. Either it was either B or D,
Speaker 1: but whichever one was, have a good rest of your
Speaker 1: entire life.
Speaker 2: You too, See you around.
Speaker 1: See you man, pool hall. Maybe I'll go to a
Speaker 1: pool hall, be a cool guy at the pool holl,
Speaker 1: smoke a cigarette, get addicted to cigarettes. You know what,
Speaker 1: Fuck the pool hall. I'll just stay home and smoke cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Hello is this Lyle?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's up man? What's your name?
Speaker 2: My name is Jacob?
Speaker 3: And you called me eating some purple Doritos?
Speaker 1: What? What flavor is the purple dorito? Is that? What
Speaker 1: the doritos? The doritos themselves aren't purple?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: You're eating the purple The bag is purple. That's the
Speaker 1: sweet and spicy chili flavor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 3: I know my put them away.
Speaker 1: Now that's out. I keep them out. Who cares? Live
Speaker 1: your life anyway? What's up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: What's up with you? How are you? Who are you?
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 2: Jacob?
Speaker 1: Jacob? What did you do today?
Speaker 3: I worked most of the day. I worked as a
Speaker 3: pool tech. I clean pools and work on filters and
Speaker 3: palm and systems and all that. So that took up
Speaker 3: most of my day. I thought I was supposed to
Speaker 3: go do something for the county uh, and then I
Speaker 3: checked my email and realized that I was wrong as
Speaker 3: I was on my way there. So I had dinner
Speaker 3: with some friends and then I came home to work
Speaker 3: on my uh little a little side hustle.
Speaker 1: What's your side hustle?
Speaker 2: Well, I do.
Speaker 3: A concert photography and videography, and I worked with a
Speaker 3: bunch of artists and do like music videos and stuff
Speaker 3: like that in every spare minute that I have though, Wait.
Speaker 1: You have a you have a pretty cool life. Actually,
Speaker 1: do you like your life?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: I get to uh get to go to concerts for free.
Speaker 3: I might be shooting a band at a soccer game
Speaker 3: tomorrow in DC. I'm also uh a Maryland resident. I
Speaker 3: know you come from the land of Maryland. So shout
Speaker 3: out Maryland.
Speaker 1: Shout out, shout out Maryland. What part I shit? I
Speaker 1: want to ask you, like where specifically in Maryland you are,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to dos you. But also if
Speaker 1: you don't care, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Well, it's up to you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I live in like the northern part of Maryland.
Speaker 3: I can tell you if you want to, I could
Speaker 3: tell you, like roughly, I don't know where in Maryland
Speaker 3: you're exactly from. I could tell you where I'm from
Speaker 3: if you want to bleep it.
Speaker 1: Out, dude. I I today, someone swatted me like five
Speaker 1: years ago. Have I ever told this story? Somebody fucking
Speaker 1: uh like found where I live and they like, they
Speaker 1: found where I live, and they called the police and
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, I live at and then they
Speaker 1: gave my address, like pretending they lived at my place,
Speaker 1: and they were like, I live at you know such
Speaker 1: and such a dress, and a man has broken into
Speaker 1: my house wearing a and he's wearing a gecko costume
Speaker 1: and he has a gun. And the idea of being
Speaker 1: they were trying to get the cops to come to
Speaker 1: my house and think I had a gun so they
Speaker 1: would kill me. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Where I don't know what scale you were at five
Speaker 3: years ago to And I feel like I see it
Speaker 3: happening to like these giant streamers, but like, were you
Speaker 3: streaming at the time or did it just happen?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The question is whether or not I had enough clout
Speaker 1: to be uh, to be to be swatted. All that's
Speaker 1: to say, I don't want that to happen to you.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want that to I don't want
Speaker 1: somebody to say, you know, I clean pool filters and
Speaker 1: I have a gun whatever? Uh anyway, ah fuck you're
Speaker 1: uh your name one more time? Jacob, Jacob, Jacob. It's
Speaker 1: it's genuinely, it's completely okay if not. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be a little more loose today. Sometimes, you know what's
Speaker 1: funny for the past. For a lot of times on
Speaker 1: this podcast, I say to someone it's okay if not,
Speaker 1: but do you have something you want to talk about?
Speaker 1: And a lot of times I don't actually mean it
Speaker 1: when I say it's okay if not, I mean that
Speaker 1: about fifty percent of the time depends on what mood
Speaker 1: I'm in today. I'm I could take her to leave it.
Speaker 1: We could talk about pools for an hour, But do
Speaker 1: you have something you want to talk about today?
Speaker 3: Do you call me because I called you? Or did
Speaker 3: you call me because I texted you.
Speaker 1: We're on the phone together right now. That's all that matters.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, because I left you at text,
Speaker 3: but I saw you might find interesting didn't read it. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: I can reiterate if you'd like.
Speaker 1: To please, please please.
Speaker 3: I have this kind of conglomerate that I call the
Speaker 3: Mysterious that is really a embodiment of all the failed
Speaker 3: relationships and situationships I had in like middle school, high school,
Speaker 3: you know, like kind of those early I don't know
Speaker 3: what I'm doing, I don't know how to talk to girls,
Speaker 3: made a lot of mistakes. Yeah, and I call it
Speaker 3: the Mysterious X because I like, I was kind of
Speaker 3: the first of my friend group to really like start dating,
Speaker 3: and me and my buddies weren't really like public with
Speaker 3: like we didn't talk too much about like the girls
Speaker 3: we were talking to. It was kind of weird, like
Speaker 3: the anount. We didn't talk about it, but when it
Speaker 3: would be brought up, it's like, oh, I just kind
Speaker 3: of you know, it's a conglomerate of multiple different females,
Speaker 3: but it's like, oh, that is was just an experience
Speaker 3: I had with the mysterious X.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have multiple questions. I'm also looking at your
Speaker 1: text now. You said, dear GEK, life has been good,
Speaker 1: but the conglomerate. That is, the mysterious X haunts me
Speaker 1: too often. I also long for the nomadic lifestyle because
Speaker 1: the housing market sucks and I do not dream the
Speaker 1: American dream, but I feel held down by my girlfriend
Speaker 1: and current situation. Okay, those are two things. Let's start
Speaker 1: with the first thing. What Okay, when you say the
Speaker 1: mysterious X. Ex. By the way, it's not like a
Speaker 1: chemical or whatever. When you say the mysterious X. This
Speaker 1: is a conglomerate. This is multiple people that you are
Speaker 1: referring to as one person. Correct, Yeah, okay, and these
Speaker 1: are okay. So the mysterious X is a force that
Speaker 1: is created by the traumas endured you at the hands
Speaker 1: of all of your previous ex girlfriends.
Speaker 2: Girl, yeah, pretty much?
Speaker 1: Okay, how many of how many ex girlfriends make up
Speaker 1: this force that is the combination of all your ex girlfriends?
Speaker 3: It was it was really like middle school high school situationships.
Speaker 3: There was only like one or two that was like
Speaker 3: we were kind of dating but not really, but it's
Speaker 3: essentially like.
Speaker 1: Middle school. These are middle school situationships.
Speaker 3: It was like people I was talking to as like
Speaker 3: you know, getting through puberty, like learning how to talk
Speaker 3: to and like, you know, lots of you know, emotional
Speaker 3: mistakes made. It's like just growing up learning how to.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm only I'm only nineteen now.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna ask how old you are? Because yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, do you guys, I you're nineteen? How
Speaker 1: are in what way? Is your your middle school relationship
Speaker 1: still haunting you?
Speaker 3: Unfortunately? It's like people that I still see every once
Speaker 3: in a while and like randomly come across them at
Speaker 3: the gym or like there is still kind of in
Speaker 3: friend circles. So it's like I get reminded of like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, me and that person used to talk and
Speaker 3: we're like a thing for a while, and now we're not.
Speaker 3: It's just awkward.
Speaker 1: But dude, it's like, why is that? Why is that awkward?
Speaker 1: It's middle school, man.
Speaker 3: It's it's really not awkward. It's just me stuck in
Speaker 3: my head making it awkward. Like exactly full conversations with them,
Speaker 3: like nothing happens, but like in my head it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I got reminded of that one text I sent to
Speaker 3: them that one time.
Speaker 1: You know, dude, yeah, I listen, my friend, you have
Speaker 1: a free listen. You have a free pass to be
Speaker 1: as cringy and stupid as you want in middle school
Speaker 1: and high school. Man, you're your knight to Why are you?
Speaker 1: What are you doing with your life?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Are you in college?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: I was in college. I dropped out of community college, okay,
Speaker 3: because I've been doing all this like concert media stuff
Speaker 3: and ended up kind of getting successful with it and
Speaker 3: making decent money with it. And I was taking classes
Speaker 3: for it just because I was interested in it. And
Speaker 3: then I like didn't learn anything from my classes, and
Speaker 3: I was learning way more by just being a doer
Speaker 3: and going out and actually getting stuff done and networking
Speaker 3: and meeting people and you know, going to do stuff
Speaker 3: that I was like, this is kind of dumb. I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna stop paying for classes and just go do
Speaker 3: what I enjoy doing.
Speaker 1: Cool, Okay, all right? So, uh you have a girlfriend now,
Speaker 1: I do, well, So why and you're happy in that relationship?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, very much. We've been together, uh a little over
Speaker 3: three years now.
Speaker 1: Okay, So dude, what I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're I don't know how serious you are about any
Speaker 1: of the ship. But like the conglomerate known is the
Speaker 1: Mysterious ex I mean is that Is that really a thing?
Speaker 1: That's like, you're in a you have a successful business
Speaker 1: and you're in a successful relationship. Why do you give
Speaker 1: a shit about anything that happened to middle school?
Speaker 3: I really don't. I'm really like past them ultimately. But
Speaker 3: then it's like, you know those late night thoughts where
Speaker 3: I'm up too late, you know, working on stuff I
Speaker 3: just like get reminded. It's like, oh, you know, I
Speaker 3: gotta reminded that person or like one of them randomly
Speaker 3: added me on Snapchat like semi recently. Is like all
Speaker 3: this just like brings back weird, awkward memories, you know,
Speaker 3: throw my mood off for a day or two. And
Speaker 3: then it's like, you know, when I'm back to like
Speaker 3: normal life and I completely forget about it. And then
Speaker 3: a couple of months later, it's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm reminded of them again.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna do, Actually, I'm gonna make it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this worse. You want to hear something
Speaker 1: that that will actually make you feel worse, go for it.
Speaker 1: You know how You're like you're uplate at night and
Speaker 1: you start ruminating about like, uh, cringey stuff that you
Speaker 1: did in middle school. Right, I'm gonna make it worse
Speaker 1: for you. And in just a few years you're gonna
Speaker 1: be up late at night ruminating about cringey stuff that
Speaker 1: you are doing right now.
Speaker 3: Cringy stuff that I'm telling a get go.
Speaker 1: On the phone exactly exactly. This is the kind of
Speaker 1: thing that you're It's like a cycle. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: reminist saying on how cringey it was to cringe over
Speaker 1: your middle school ex girlfriend.
Speaker 3: I just remembered, can I go on like a slight
Speaker 3: side tangent, I have a little story that kind of
Speaker 3: pertains to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, Wait you have a story about story.
Speaker 3: So you had an episode recently about a woman who
Speaker 3: worked with rats, and you talked about like, oh, what
Speaker 3: if one of the rats became sentient, and like would
Speaker 3: you let the rat free?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, like the next night, I had the most vivid dream.
Speaker 3: I haven't had like vivid dreams in a while. I
Speaker 3: had the most vivid dream about a sentient rat that
Speaker 3: like came out of a pool and was like talking
Speaker 3: to me. I was like in my dream, I was
Speaker 3: like I heard about this somewhere, and then I was like,
Speaker 3: thinking about you in my dream talking to this sentient rat?
Speaker 2: Is that weird?
Speaker 1: So you had had a dream about me?
Speaker 3: Well, I had a dream about a sentient rat, and
Speaker 3: then it kind of came like a lucid dreamer, I
Speaker 3: kind of realized I was dreaming, and then I like
Speaker 3: was consciously like.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is what Lyle talked about.
Speaker 3: This is like it's like that trained situation where you
Speaker 3: like you can either hit five people or you change
Speaker 3: the track and it hits you know, one person and
Speaker 3: you're responsible for their death.
Speaker 2: It's like what am i?
Speaker 3: Am I gonna let the sentient rat go? Or am
Speaker 3: I gonna like turn it?
Speaker 1: Having the dream itself is like the train situation.
Speaker 3: No. Well, in the in the episode, when you were
Speaker 3: talking to a woman, she like raises rats to be
Speaker 3: sped to like cats and snakes and stuff, And the
Speaker 3: situation you posed to her was like, if you found
Speaker 3: the sentient rat, would you just let him go or
Speaker 3: would you keep him there to be fed to the snakes?
Speaker 3: And I was like faced with that same situation of like, oh,
Speaker 3: do I like talk to the rat and let him
Speaker 3: go free and just let him like live a ratitudy life,
Speaker 3: or do I like turn him into a lab and
Speaker 3: like let people do science on him and find cures
Speaker 3: to cancer or something.
Speaker 1: What's your name again, Jacob? I don't think it's weird, Jacob.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to say to the people
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, just just be a go getter.
Speaker 3: Do things. It doesn't matter what you do, as long
Speaker 3: as you're doing something. That's been my one of my biggest.
Speaker 2: Things in life.
Speaker 3: I've gotten to do some really cool stuff I got
Speaker 3: I've gotten to shoe for a bunch of cool bands
Speaker 3: and meet a bunch of cool people and do all
Speaker 3: these cool things with you know, a hobby and an
Speaker 3: art that I never thought i'd be doing, only just
Speaker 3: because I thought it was fun, and then I went
Speaker 3: and did it. And now I get to, you know,
Speaker 3: you do what I love doing and make money from it.
Speaker 3: And it's a lot of fun and I love it
Speaker 3: every single day. So just go do just don't don't
Speaker 3: sit still. Just go do something.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jacob.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Well, thank you, Lyle. Have a good night.
Speaker 1: Hey you too, man, good luck, good luck with the
Speaker 1: mysterious X.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm thank you.
Speaker 1: See Jacob. That was Jacob. Hello, Hi, Hello?
Speaker 5: Oh is this the Get Go?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Who is this? My name's Riley, Riley have do you
Speaker 1: ever see this show? This is fucking Nickelodeon show. It's
Speaker 1: called The Replacements.
Speaker 5: Oh, I haven't heard of it.
Speaker 1: Ah, there's a character in the name, right the show
Speaker 1: goes Todd and Riley were oh so sad. Then they
Speaker 1: replaced all the people in their life. You know.
Speaker 3: That's that.
Speaker 1: It's about these two kids and they can point at
Speaker 1: someone and press a button and they replaces them with
Speaker 1: a different guy. Uh huh.
Speaker 2: I one thing I ever watched.
Speaker 5: Oh, we just looked familiar.
Speaker 1: Oh you looked it up. Okay, I'm looking it up too.
Speaker 1: This is definitely something that uh what years is from?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Who created it? Wonder what they're doing? Now? Wow's let's
Speaker 1: see created by Dan Santat. What's he up to?
Speaker 5: What did he get my text?
Speaker 1: Dan Satat was born in nineteen seventy five to Thai
Speaker 1: immigrants in Brooklyn before moving to California when he was three.
Speaker 1: What's he doing right now? Hold on, he's a commercial illustrator.
Speaker 1: Well he's doing pretty good. He's like put you always.
Speaker 1: He's making books.
Speaker 5: Now like children's books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made a book called a fish boy named Sashimi.
Speaker 5: But did he get my text?
Speaker 1: Are you hold on? Hold on, Riley, hold on, hold
Speaker 1: your horses, Riley, Jesus Christ?
Speaker 5: Can't we on talking to the get go?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Interesting? He was a commercial illustrator for GQ Russia. Oh uh,
Speaker 1: he's got two sons, a bird, three dogs, and a cat.
Speaker 1: This guy is cool. Imagine you just make like a
Speaker 1: like if you just have three years where you make
Speaker 1: a Disney Channel show and then you write children's books
Speaker 1: and you have a and then you buy a bird?
Speaker 5: Is it like a parrot?
Speaker 1: It doesn't say what kind of birdie? He just says
Speaker 1: he has a just says a bird, three dogs and
Speaker 1: two cats. All right, what did you want to talk about?
Speaker 5: I was going to ask your opinion on what you
Speaker 5: think about if smut books h are equivalent to porn?
Speaker 1: Are smut books equivalent to porn? Well, smut books have
Speaker 1: from what I understand, I from what I understand, smut
Speaker 1: books kind of vary in their level of graphicness. Correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh.
Speaker 1: Do you I mean do you read smut books?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean there's like that really popular one it's uh, like,
Speaker 5: the really popular one is a Court of Thorns and Roses.
Speaker 1: And who does that?
Speaker 5: Oh, let me check. I have the book, but I
Speaker 5: haven't read it yet. It's by Sarah J.
Speaker 3: Moss.
Speaker 1: Wait okay, so you have you have the book, but
Speaker 1: you haven't read it yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But uh but okay, but you read books of this genre.
Speaker 5: Like romantic fantasy books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah. And do you I mean, do you
Speaker 1: think that they are on the same level as porn?
Speaker 5: I don't think so. But obviously a lot of men
Speaker 5: like and like the Manisphere saying that, like it's equivalent
Speaker 5: kind of but I disagree.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, so what so these guys from the manisphere
Speaker 1: are saying their equivalent? What what's what's their arguments?
Speaker 5: I mean, none of the men in like the Manisphere
Speaker 5: really have good arguments, to be honest.
Speaker 1: So well, I didn't ask if it was a good argument.
Speaker 1: I just what is the argument of uh that it's
Speaker 1: that it's porn.
Speaker 5: Well, but you're like reading it versus seeing the actual
Speaker 5: videos of porn, you know, uh huh, So I don't really,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I can kind of see it a
Speaker 5: little bit of being equivalent, but not to the extent
Speaker 5: that men's I think it is.
Speaker 1: Do like the men in your real life, do they
Speaker 1: do they believe that they're they're equivalent?
Speaker 5: Uh in my own personal life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there is an aspect of okay, and
Speaker 1: there is an aspect of it where it is like
Speaker 1: genuinely for the plot correct like that, Like the plot
Speaker 1: lines of these books are meant to be engaging. You
Speaker 1: don't watch poor and for any sort of like engaging
Speaker 1: plot line exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And honestly, a lot of the smut books that
Speaker 5: are popular are more it's like eighty no, like even
Speaker 5: like ninety percent of it is just storyline, and there's
Speaker 5: like ten percent of smutt you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, are you jacking off to this stuff? That's
Speaker 1: another big thing. No, if you're not jacking off to
Speaker 1: the star, then it's not even on the same and
Speaker 1: it's not even in the same universe, right, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: have you.
Speaker 5: Ever read any spot books?
Speaker 1: When I was younger, I was like fourteen, I there
Speaker 1: was I actually actually think I've talked about this on
Speaker 1: the podcast before, but there was this like website called
Speaker 1: my first Time dot com where people would like tell
Speaker 1: stories about like losing their virginity and whatnot. I think
Speaker 1: there was just people, but a lot it was probably fake,
Speaker 1: but like people would just tell like stories about like
Speaker 1: meeting someone and then like having sex with them for
Speaker 1: the first time. And I used to jack off to
Speaker 1: that when I was like fourteen, But since then I
Speaker 1: haven't really.
Speaker 5: Been like, how did you even like come upon that?
Speaker 5: Because like when I was fourteen, I didn't even think
Speaker 5: of looking for something like that, Okay.
Speaker 1: But when you were But when you were fourteen, you
Speaker 1: don't look for these things. They just they find you,
Speaker 1: you know, like when you were fourteen exactly, like you're like,
Speaker 1: you're listen, you're you read smell you're former Tumblr person? Correct,
Speaker 1: I'm not?
Speaker 2: Actually no?
Speaker 1: I mean no, yeah, what was your site? What was
Speaker 1: your thing for?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: For the Internet?
Speaker 5: I mean it was really just Instagram and Snapchat. You know.
Speaker 1: How how old are you?
Speaker 5: Twenty two?
Speaker 1: Okay? Uh, that's that's so that's a that's about that's
Speaker 1: enough of a generational gap. Uh.
Speaker 5: How old are you?
Speaker 1: Uh? Forty seven?
Speaker 3: You're forty seven.
Speaker 5: You're like you were young.
Speaker 1: I'm not forty seven. I am not forty seven years old.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm who cares? Okay, so, I mean, what can
Speaker 1: I say you? Why did you want to ask me this?
Speaker 5: I don't know, because I feel like it's like a
Speaker 5: controversial question, and I've gotten like mixed reviews as to
Speaker 5: like other people's responses and everything. So I was curious
Speaker 5: to see your stance on smut books versus porn.
Speaker 1: Does if I search up Rouge the Bat from Sonic Nude,
Speaker 1: that's not smut, right, that's like what does that count as?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: That's what would you? What category would you put that under?
Speaker 1: If I wanted to read stories about Rouge the Bat
Speaker 1: engaged in in a tryst with Shadow or perhaps on
Speaker 1: on one regardable evening the Eggman, that would that would
Speaker 1: be under a under smut?
Speaker 5: I guess I would. Yeah, that would be under smut.
Speaker 5: And it's probably gonna be on.
Speaker 1: On what what bad?
Speaker 5: You don't know what good?
Speaker 1: What wet pad? Yeah? W A T TPA D it
Speaker 1: does this is a porn fan fiction? No? No, no no.
Speaker 5: It was just like a like an app that you
Speaker 5: could uh pretty much upload your own stories, like you
Speaker 5: don't have to be like a published off like a
Speaker 5: like author or whatever. But some of the stories on
Speaker 5: there actually did get published because they were super popular,
Speaker 5: but watpad was like a big thing when I grew up.
Speaker 1: At least, what was the most intriguing thing that you
Speaker 1: have read on? What ped?
Speaker 5: Oh it's been forever, but man, that I don't remember. Actually,
Speaker 5: I haven't been on it in years, Riley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should check out that show the replacements. It's
Speaker 1: pretty it's I want I'm gonna rewatch this guy Dan
Speaker 1: Okay's so I'm inspired by this guy. He's had a
Speaker 1: really long and good career. Man, he's fifty. How old
Speaker 1: was he when he made the replacements? He was like,
Speaker 1: my damn, he was like, what year was he born?
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy five? He's thirty one?
Speaker 5: Okay, so he was thirty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's pretty good. I feel like I'm almost thirty one.
Speaker 5: How old are you?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm almost thirty one, Riley? Is there anything else
Speaker 1: you want to say to the people of the computer
Speaker 1: before we go?
Speaker 5: No, I still didn't really get your opinion on if
Speaker 5: you think.
Speaker 1: What do you mean and give what do you mean?
Speaker 1: And give my opinion? Well, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Give?
Speaker 1: I totally? I absolutely gave my opinion.
Speaker 5: Do you think it's actually like equivalent?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Well, I gave you my opinion. I said, it's not
Speaker 1: they were not even in the same universe.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, perfect, thank you, that's perfect.
Speaker 1: You came in here with some kind of I don't
Speaker 1: do you feel like you got what you wanted out
Speaker 1: of this interaction. I don't know I can handle whatever
Speaker 1: the truth full answer is.
Speaker 5: I mean to be honest, I'm kind of drunk.
Speaker 4: Okay, and I didn't even think that I was ever
Speaker 4: gonna be able to talk to you, so I was
Speaker 4: kind of caught off guard.
Speaker 5: I thought it was, you know, shot in the dark.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you do? What do you It's
Speaker 1: Tuesday night? What do you are you celebrating something? No, well,
Speaker 1: every day is a day to celebrate.
Speaker 5: That's true. It's a you know, every day you should celebrate.
Speaker 1: I'll see you around the universe.
Speaker 5: Riley, all right, I'll see you.
Speaker 3: Get go, dude.
Speaker 1: Please tell me if someone else knows remembers this show. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a little strange that they can just like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1: Nancy Cartwright played the main kid. Gray de Leslie played
Speaker 1: the other kid. Why do I know who this woman is?
Speaker 1: She's like a super famous uh voice actress person who
Speaker 1: she played she played uh oh, she played Vicky, the
Speaker 1: babysitter on the line every nine nos Id just teaching
Speaker 1: you to how to have your life, but he's not
Speaker 1: really an expert.