1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Blood on the Tracks is the production of I Heart 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Radio and Double Elvis. Bob Dylan was a musical genius 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: and one of the greatest songwriters of all time. He 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: didn't follow leaders. He chased that thin, wild mercury sound. 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: He never looked back. Even as the times changed, and 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: as the times changed, Bob Dylan changed. He tried on 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: and discarded identities like they were mass. He transformed. He 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: transfigured in somewhere along the way, the Bob Dylan that 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: you thought you knew died. This is his story. Day four, Yes, 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: it's day four, Monday, August first, nineteen. This is Dr 11 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: Ed Sailor. Once again, I'm reviewing the progress of the patient. 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: Robert Zimmerman, a k a. Bob Dylan. H. Bob is 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: still on a fair amount of distress. Fever, dreams and 14 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: moments of severe anxiety are not uncommon after the type 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: of distress he experienced. He has mentioned ghosts or apparitions 16 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: a few times in the last twenty four hours as well. 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: His physical injuries seemed to be healing just fine. There 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: are no problems to really speak of, but he has 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: taken to wearing a neck brace. Although it's my professional 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: opinion that that is more for mental comfort than it 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: is for physical support. He also, in more feverish moments, 22 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: has been talking about running away. I ran away from 23 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: home when I was very young. I told you that, 24 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: Yet the police picked me up. So I did it 25 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: again and again and again. I wanted to be a 26 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: circus hand, a carnival boy, a road bump. But I 27 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: couldn't get out. I couldn't slip the net. Eventually I did, though. 28 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: I guess that's where this need for reinvention came from, 29 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: a desire to get out and make yourself, to become 30 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: someone no one ever thought you could be that you 31 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: never thought you could be. When you break free from 32 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: life and go out and live, you really see what 33 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: it's all about. That's what I did in seventy five. 34 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: I got out and saw the world. Sure, I've been 35 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: to see it many times before, but this time I 36 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: really saw it. I really experienced it, and I was 37 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: the one who left so much blood on the tracks. 38 00:02:53,520 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: Chapter four, Bob Dylan is rolling thunder. Ye. I'm still 39 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 1: haunted by these people. There are people I've never even met, 40 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: but they haunt me. I guess I lost myself. And 41 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: what happened when writing that song. Sometimes songs can take 42 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: you over like that. I still see that man slumped 43 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: over a bar, his back all ripped up. You can 44 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: see flesh and bone and blood. This idea of transfiguration 45 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: that I'm always talking about, it's real, you know that, right. 46 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: The Rolling Thunder review was all about that. People ask 47 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: me why I wore masks and white makeup on that tour. Well, 48 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: when a man wears a mask, he's gonna tell you 49 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: the truth. I was living my truth, break free from life. 50 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: I grew up in northern Minnesota. The carnival came and 51 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: went when I was young. I was always captivated by it. 52 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: We all were. I wanted that for this tour, a 53 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: traveling show, a carnival. I wanted to do something I've 54 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: never done before. I wanted to invent for reinvention. The 55 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: tour I had staged the previous year had been huge. 56 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: It was all private jets, arenas and outdoor shows. I 57 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: got out and saw the world. The mid seventies was 58 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: like that. People realized music could be a global industry. 59 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: I just released an album called Blood on the Tracks, 60 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: and I was on a real high in my career. 61 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: But with this tour, I wanted the opposite. I wanted 62 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: to get back down to Earth. So that's what we 63 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: did when we were on the road. I even drove 64 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: the bus most of the time. I had this old 65 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: motor home i'd go around in. It was the antithesis 66 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: of a private jet. It wasn't just me, though, everyone 67 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: was like that. On Rolling Thunder. Roger mcgwinn from The 68 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: Birds went around in this thing called the Green Machine Man. 69 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: I don't even know how that thing started up, let 70 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: alone how it lasted. The whole run, the whole thing 71 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: really felt like I was at the start of my 72 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: career all over again, like I was a new man, reborn. 73 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: I was the happiest I think I've ever been. We 74 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: played all over the country, and our friends came with 75 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: us too. Joni Mitchell shown by is Rambling, Jack Elliott, 76 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: t Bone, Burnett Hell. Even a young Sharon Stone was there, 77 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: at least I like to pretend she was. There was 78 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: one person who summed up the whole thing. Her name 79 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: was Scarlett Rivera. I met her thanks to our old 80 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: friend Destiny. Before the tour, I was being driven around 81 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: Greenwich Village one day with no particular place to go, 82 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: and we passed a woman and I don't know. She 83 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: had a strangeness about her. I wanted to be a 84 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: circuit hint. She had long, flowing red hair, and she 85 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: was dressed like she had been beamed in from another time. 86 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: But I couldn't get out. You know. She was stick thin, 87 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: but she had a weight to her soul. I immediately 88 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: asked the driver to stop the car and jumped out. 89 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: I asked her if she could play the violin she 90 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: was holding, and she said she could, so I asked 91 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: her if I could hear it. The next thing, We're 92 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: in my apartment and she's playing man. She played her 93 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: violin sounded like an old traveler was playing it. It 94 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: was mystical. Go out and live. You really see what 95 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: it's all about. I had been writing a new album, 96 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: but it needed something, something I didn't have. I thought 97 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: that this, the sound of this mystical violin, might be 98 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: what is missing. But I needed to be sure, so 99 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: I tested her. I was due to go to a 100 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: Muddy Waters show at a bar in the village, so 101 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: I asked her if she would tag along. Of course, 102 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: she said, without missing a beat, so we went. I 103 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: took to the stage with Muddy that night. There was 104 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: always a pleasure to play with him. During the show, 105 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't stop looking at Scarlett sitting at the bar. 106 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: She was like nothing I'd ever seen before. She didn't 107 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: just look like a normal person, she didn't act like 108 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: one either. She was kind of scary, but fiercely interesting, 109 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: break free from life. After a few songs, I jumped 110 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: onto the microphone and announced to the crowd, I'm going 111 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: to bring my violin player up now. Scarlet's eyes wide 112 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: until they were the size of oranges. Ladies and gentlemen, 113 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: Scarlett Rivera, I said, I didn't know how she'd act 114 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: a desire to get out and make yourself. The bar 115 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: fell silent slowly, everyone started to look where I was looking. 116 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: It was now or never. She jumped up from her stool. 117 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I thought she might make a break for the exit, 118 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: but her eyes narrowed and she walked directly towards the stage. 119 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: She casually opened her violin case and said, shall we reinvention? 120 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: We kicked into the song with Muddy taking lead. Everybody 121 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: in the band got a solo, and so after a while, 122 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: Muddy nodded to Scarlett to take the spotlight. This is it, 123 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: I thought, let's see what she can do. Scarlett stepped 124 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: into the middle of the stage and burned the damn 125 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: place down. Her violin wasn't even miked up properly, but 126 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: it sounded like a fire tearing through the joint. The 127 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: crowd went crazy. Scarlett had shared the stage with the 128 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: blues legend and held her own. She had passed the test, 129 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: and thank god too. Scarlett ended up playing on that 130 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: album I was making, which turned into a record called Desire. 131 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: I co wrote that album with a friend of mine, 132 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: Jacques Levy. It featured great musicians like Emmy Lou Harris. 133 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: Even Eric Clapton was supposed to be on it, but Scarlett. 134 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: Scarlett made that album. During the recording, I'd already been 135 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: playing the Rolling Thunder toour, and it became obvious that 136 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: Scarlett sound her style, her soul. They were everything the 137 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: tour should be. She embodied its madness. Yet on the 138 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: road there were rumors she kept a snake in a 139 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: box in her dressing room. In fact, a few snakes. 140 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I do know she 141 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: had a whole collection of swords that she carried around. 142 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: They went everywhere with her. Also, I remember one day. 143 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: She was on the bus. We were driving somewhere and 144 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: she was chanting a Santa Rea type verse over and over. 145 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: No one knew what the hell she was saying or 146 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: where it had come from. T Bone Burnett looked unnerved 147 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: by the whole thing, terrified even. He turned to me 148 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: and said, this is the bus to Hell. I couldn't 149 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: stop laughing at him. That's what I did. It turned 150 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: into the best tour we've ever done. I laughed and 151 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: smiled for that whole tour. Thirty five shows that fall 152 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: and another leg in the spring. But you know, like everything, 153 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: that stuff never lasts. And what was up next? Divorce 154 00:10:31,679 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: and murder? There as a woman now she floats along. 155 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: She's wearing a uniform, a waitress uniform. It's covered in blood. 156 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: It's soaked right through, it's everywhere. I try to tell her, 157 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: but she can't hear me. The rolling thunder of You 158 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: was so long ago. I wasn't even born yet. There 159 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: was so much drinking on that tour, A lot of 160 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: coke too. I remember one day rambling. Jack Elliott said 161 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: it was suspicious if you weren't on drugs. While on 162 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: that tour. He refused to carry anything in case he 163 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: got busted, so he'd have someone else carry it for him, 164 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: and he'd just before walking out on stage. One night, 165 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen showed up, except he wasn't the Bruce we 166 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: all know today. Who's this guy at Springfield? I asked 167 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: my bass player Rob Stoner, Sorry, Bruce. My wife Sarah 168 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: had come on that tour too. She had come because 169 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: she was playing a role in the home we were 170 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: making on the road, my attempt at a European art 171 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: house Flip called Ronaldo and Clara. I wanted it to 172 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: be like Trufos, Shoot the Piano Player or Marcel Kanne's 173 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: Children of Paradise. Sam Shepard came to help too. He 174 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: met Joni Mitchell on that tour. That's when she wrote 175 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: that song Coyote. That song stopped us all dead in 176 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: our tracks. Did you know she wrote that one about 177 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: Sam to become someone no one ever thought you could be. 178 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: Joan Bayez was also with us, and in my film too. 179 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: I'd love Joanie. For years we had been called the 180 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: King and Queen of folk, and I guess that was true. 181 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: We've been involved too romantically, you know, back in the 182 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: early days, but it hadn't ended well. Yet one day 183 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: we went to a bar called Gypsy's Place. We were 184 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: all drinking hot toddies, and Joanie disappeared upstairs into an 185 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: apartment or this old traveler women lived. This woman showed 186 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: Janie a pillow that was stuffed with the ashes of 187 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: her dead husband. She said, the pillow was the best 188 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: night's sleep you ever had. She put on one of 189 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: the woman's old dresses and danced back into the bar. 190 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: We had a couple more and then she dragged me 191 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: outside and stood me under a huge oak tree. I 192 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: could tell something is wrong, something important. She looked me 193 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: right in the eyes and said, I've been wanting to 194 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: ask you this for a decade. Okay, before I finished 195 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: that part of the story, I have to fill you 196 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: in on the history between me and Janie. I remember 197 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: seeing her for the first time. She was something else. 198 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want to blink. I was worried that if 199 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: I blinked, she wouldn't be there when I opened my eyes. 200 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: She just didn't feel real. Eventually I did. Though. She 201 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: had an unusual way of playing guitar. I could never 202 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: master that. And her voice, my god, what a voice, 203 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: that soprano. It was heart stopping. She did a lot 204 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: for me in those early days. She brought me on 205 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: tour with her. I ran away from home when I 206 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: was very young. Johnny was a big deal then she 207 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: still is, but she was already the queen then, you know. 208 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: She brought me on stage with her, calling me her 209 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: little vagabond. She was even there for me at the 210 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: Newport Folk Festival. That was the summer of sixty three, 211 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: just a few months before the whole world would grow 212 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: a little darker from a most foul murder, and two 213 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: years before Newport grew darker with all that judas nonsense. 214 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: We started to spend time together, and by the summer 215 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: of sixty four we were close. But the truth is 216 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't always truthful with Joni, this need for reinvention. 217 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: We'd spent a lot of that summer at Albert Grossman's 218 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: house in Woodstock. Joan was taking a break between tours, 219 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: and I was either writing or riding around on my 220 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: three fifty Triumph, not the bike that get us into 221 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: this mess, but another one. I have sweet moments from 222 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: that time. We talked about our futures, our futures together. 223 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: We talked about maybe having kids one day, and we 224 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: even named one. I think I even proposed again and 225 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: again and again. I was kind of half joking, but 226 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: Joan was the sort of woman you could easily spend 227 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: the rest of your life with. We spent a lot 228 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: of time in a crummy hotel over in Washington Square two. 229 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: It was twelve dollars a night. I wanted to be 230 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: a circuit Hint had no room service and a regular 231 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: clientele of junkies, pushers, alcoholics, and other dubious New York 232 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: riff raff. It was like home to us, though. Joan 233 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: bought me a big black suit jacket with a white 234 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: shirt and crowning glory a pair of cuff links made 235 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: out of lumpy, opaque violet rocks. She wrote about that 236 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: in her song Diamonds and Rust. She wrote about it 237 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: almost word for word, no filter. I love that song 238 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: to be included in something that Joni had written. I mean, 239 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: to this day it still impresses me that you never 240 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: thought you could be. We did a tour together and 241 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: who played the packed houses with grave reviews. But by 242 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: the time we got to England and sixty five things 243 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: weren't so great. I had begun seeing someone else at 244 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: the same time Sarah, the woman who had become my wife. 245 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: I never wanted to hurt Jonie, so I kept the 246 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: two apart, couldn't slip the net. Sure that was the 247 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: wrong decision, but at the time I felt like I 248 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: was protecting the people I loved. I don't know. I 249 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: don't expect you to understand. It all came to a 250 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: head at the Royal Albert Hall, the Grandest Venues for 251 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: my betrayal. We were playing a show there at the 252 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: end of that England tour. I got out and saw 253 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the world. Me and Sarah were in this little dressing 254 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: room before the show, and all of a sudden, there's 255 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: a loud rap at the door. Sarah, still jet lags, 256 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: slowly got up and opened the door with a tire yawn. 257 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Who's standing on the other side, Joanie clutching a huge 258 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: present must have been for my birthday. I felt the 259 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: color drained from my face. I mean I actually felt it, 260 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: but I couldn't get out. Joanie had never seen Sarah before, 261 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: not knowing of her existence until this moment. Sarah, not 262 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: recognizing her, took the gift and politely said thanks. Joan 263 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: couldn't even bear to look at me as the door closed. 264 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: It's all over now, Baby Blue, was the final song 265 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: that night. I could barely get the words out. Back 266 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: to the story I was telling you under that old 267 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: oak tree with Joanie. I've been wanting to ask you 268 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: this for years, she said, and I felt the blood 269 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: drained from my face again, but this time, as I said, 270 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: it was a decade later, a breeze passed over us 271 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: and animated that traveler woman's dress. Why did you never 272 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: tell me about Sarah, she asked. I struggled to answer, 273 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: couldn't slip the net. She looked me dead in the eyes. 274 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: There was pain in there, deep pain. I didn't answer. 275 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: We just stood in silence, painful silence. It's because I'm 276 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: too political and you lied too much, she said, before 277 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: smiling one of the saddest smiles I've ever seen. I 278 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: really saw it, I really experienced it. She walked off 279 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: back to the bar, leaving me under that old oak tree. 280 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: No one had ever said a truer word in my life. 281 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: My marriage was falling apart at this point too, and 282 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: one night Sarah took to the stage and sang the 283 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: song I'd written for her, Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands. 284 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: She dedicated it to Joan. By the time it came 285 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: to book the second leg of the tour, I invited 286 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: Joanie to play the entire run, but she declined my invitation. 287 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: I didn't try to convince her otherwise. We'll be right 288 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: back after this word, word word. There's another man now. 289 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: He's walking towards me. His right hand is covering his eye. 290 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: His palm is pressed right over it. Slowly he takes 291 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: it away and there's there's nothing there. It's just an 292 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: empty socket. You know. I've always loved boxing right the 293 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: beast from Hibbing Sugar, Ray Zimmerm. That's what I would 294 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: call myself in the ring. I've even got a gym 295 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: in Santa Monica. Not many people know that. There's pictures 296 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: of Muddy Waters and those British bad boys, the rolling 297 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: stones on the wall. Boxing has always been a passion 298 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: of mine. You give me a boxer's name, and I 299 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: can give you his record, just like that. Boom oh. 300 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: Mancini thirty four fights, nine wins, twenty three knockouts, five losses. 301 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: Manny Pacquiao two fights, wins, knockouts, thirty nine eight losses. 302 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: I met him once he was a great fighter. But 303 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: there's one boxer I'll always forever be linked with, Ruben 304 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: Carter desired. I became involved in Reuben's story ten years 305 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: after he was convicted of murder. Someone had given me 306 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: his autobiography and I was hooked on his story, hooked 307 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: on the injustice of it all. You really see what 308 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: it's all about about. I wrote the song Hurricane about 309 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: him and what happened. So what happened is a tale 310 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: that is a lot like a boxing match. I guess 311 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: he was knocked down time and time again, but like 312 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: all fighters, he got back up. I admired that if 313 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: you don't know the story, then allow me to be 314 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: your narrator for the evening. Are you sitting comfortably well? Good, 315 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: give me a bell. Round one. It's Muggie and Patterson, 316 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Despite being two thirty in the morning, it's 317 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: July n s there's these two men. They enter a 318 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: place called the Lafayette Bar and grill. It's unusual because 319 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: they're black. Black folks stayed away from that bar. Hell, 320 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: most people stayed away from that bar. It was a dump, 321 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: but it wasn't friendly to people of color, so much 322 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: so that the bartender Jim Oliver slings a bottle at 323 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: the two men as they enter, just because they're black. 324 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: It would be the last thing he did on this earth. 325 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: A shotgun pellet severs his spinal cord moments later. Within seconds, 326 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: the two men are spraying bullets into the Lafayette. Some 327 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: bullets are coming from a shotgun, others from a pistol. 328 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: A woman called Hazel Tennis, who stopped into the bar 329 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: after her waitressing shift, jumps off for a stool and 330 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: tries to run, but the bullets catch her, knock her 331 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: to the floor and she starts bleeding out right away, 332 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: so much blood. Two other guys are having a conversation 333 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: at the bar there. Next one dies instantly. He doesn't 334 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: even have time to get off his stool. The other 335 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: turns his head at both the right and wrong moment. 336 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: A bullet passes through his eye and explodes out of 337 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: his forehead. He's not dead, but he passes out. Blood 338 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: stains the wall, the bar, the floor, and the ceiling 339 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: of the bar. So much blood, part of an eyeball 340 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: comes to rest on the pool table. Silence finally reigns 341 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: down on the bloody scene. Round two, Patty Valentine this 342 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: local woman who I'd go on to meet in person 343 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: in the courtroom by the way. Because a sleep on 344 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: her couch, her TV silent, the grainy picture dancing on 345 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: the wall of her unlit room above the Lafayette, she 346 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: as up to a loud noise gunshots possibly nothing unusual 347 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: there times. She goes to her apartment window and sees 348 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: these two men leaving the Lafayette, one holding a shotgun, 349 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: the other a pistol. They drive off into the night. 350 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: Valentine swiftly heads downstairs into the bar, and upon entry 351 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: she sees Hazel Tannis, her white waitress uniforms turning red. 352 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: This time I really saw it, blood soaked through the 353 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: white cotton, and Valentine screaming least she never has before 354 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: round three later, Ruben Carter, Middleweights wins nineteen knockouts, is 355 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: lying down in the bed of his rented sixty six 356 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: white Dodge Polara. It's been a long night. We've all 357 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: been there, right. He'd been out at a night spot 358 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: and now he was heading home. John Artists, a young 359 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: athlete and Ruben sparring partner, is driving the vehicle. A 360 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: red police light flicks across his eyeline and like a 361 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: silent alarm. It makes him uncomfortable. The lack of an 362 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: actual siren is unnerving even to a man like Ruben Carter, 363 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: who has had more than a few brushes with the 364 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: police due to his skin color. His car has stopped 365 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: for the second time that night. On the first occasion, 366 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: they were told by the police that they were looking 367 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: for two men fitting their description. This time, the officer 368 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: has decided it is them. I couldn't slip the net. 369 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: Within thirty minutes, Reuben is in the hospital where that 370 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: guy who was shot through the eye tells the cops 371 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 1: he ain't the one. Remember that, the guy that had 372 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: just been shot is telling the cops it ain't Ruben 373 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: Carter and John artists. You really see what it's all about. 374 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: Still they go back to the police station, of course 375 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: they do, and after seventeen hours, both men are released. 376 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: But round four, two men, Alfred Bellow and Arthur Dexter Bradley, 377 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: had been near the Lafayette Bar that night. Bellow was 378 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: on the lookout for Bradley. Bradley was a what do 379 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: you call it, a career criminal. He was apparently trying 380 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: to break into a nearby metal company below grew bored 381 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: of watching Bradley and turns to walk towards the bar 382 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: in search of cigarettes. After several loud noises, he sees 383 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: two men come out of the Lafayette, one carrying a pistol, 384 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: the other a shotgun. One he said was Ruben Carter, 385 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: the other John Artists. They jumped into a white car 386 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: and drove away. Pretty damning testimony, right, well maybe if 387 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't for the fact that this testimony came four 388 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: months after the shooting, when the police offered a ten 389 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward. Round five, the day after Bellow and 390 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: Bradley came out with that report, John Artist is stopped 391 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: while buying soda. A shotgun appears under his chin, and 392 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: he and Ruben Carter are arrested for triple murder. Do 393 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: you really see what it's all about? The trial is 394 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: a laughing stock. They both go down the final round. 395 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: Almost ten years later, there was a campaign for a retrial. 396 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: I was more than happy to get involved. We played 397 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: a gig at the prison where Reuben was being held. 398 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: Do you know what struck me the most when I 399 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: met him? It was only a small thing, but it 400 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: chilled me to my bones. I couldn't stop thinking about 401 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: his prison number. On his shirt, he had the number four, 402 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: five four seven two in black type. I couldn't stop 403 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: thinking how he had gone from the number one contender 404 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: to number four or five four seven to for reinvention. 405 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: We played another show for Reuben Madison Square Garden between 406 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: rolling thunder legs. Any day now I shall be released, 407 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: right wrong? It was all for nothing. In the retrial, 408 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: they found him guilty again, but I couldn't get out 409 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: of it. Wasn't until the nine teen eighties he finally 410 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: got free. Man. They took all that from him. I mean, 411 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: they literally stole his time. How do you recover from 412 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: something like that? When you leave something like that and 413 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: you come out of the other side, how can you 414 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: reinvent yourself from such a broken place? Someone told me. 415 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: In the mid nineties, he was arrested again when Toronto 416 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: police thought he'd sold drugs to an undercover officer. How 417 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: long have I been singing about this ship? How long 418 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: will the world be like? This makes you wonder will 419 00:27:35,280 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: it ever change? The Atlanta courtroom was hot. It was 420 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: the middle of July nine. Bob Dylan slouched in the 421 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: witness stand and watched a ceiling fans spin round and round. 422 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: Mr Dilon, the prosecuting attorney, ingrad, Pivnic asked, or should 423 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: that be Mr Zimmerman? She smiled. Dylan sat up, rubbed 424 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: his nose, and finally looked at Pivnic properly for the 425 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: first time. Sorry, what was the question? I was asking 426 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: about your wealth? Pivnic responded, How much money have you 427 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: made from the song Hurricane? The song from the The 428 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: attorney sentence tailed off. She checked her notes, pausing for 429 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: dramatic effect, her eyes scanning the page. In the courtroom 430 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: silence from the gold selling album Desire, she finally said. 431 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: Dylan took off his a v her sunglasses for the 432 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: first time and asked, you mean my treasure on Earth? 433 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: I suppose, the attorney said, but Dylan didn't continue. There 434 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: was silence. Once again. Pivnic, with growing impatience, directed her 435 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: next line at both Dylan and the courtroom at large. 436 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: In a case like this, defamation, invasion of privacy, unauthorized 437 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: publication of a name, it is only fair that my 438 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: client receives what is owned. She motioned to her client, 439 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: who sat behind a dark wooden table no more than 440 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: a few feet away from her. Her client was Patricia 441 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: and Valentine a k a. Patty Valentine, the witness to 442 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: the aftermath of the shooting at the Lafayette that landed 443 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: Reuben Carter in prison. Dylan's eyes drifted back to the ceiling. 444 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: Fan Pivnic carried on, I would assume you've made quite 445 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: a lot a big song like that, a song that's 446 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: been on the radio, one that you've played live, and 447 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: that was on a successful album. In the song, you 448 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: clearly imply my client has something to do with this 449 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: heinous crime, which I might add, was committed by a 450 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: man according to a court of law, by a jury 451 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: of your peers, that you yourself are defending. Dylan put 452 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: his shades back on. Why are you defending a criminal? 453 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: Pivnic asked, the question fell on deaf ears. She picked 454 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: up a sheet of paper from the table in front 455 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: of Patty Valentine. I was reading the lyrics to the 456 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: song Hurricane, and there's a fool mentioned. Who exactly is 457 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: the fool you speak of? Dylan sat upright in a flash, 458 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: suddenly engaged. He drew in close to the courtroom spindly 459 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: microphone and said, whoever Satan gave power to whoever was 460 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: blind to the truth, it was living by his own truth. 461 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: That's who the fool is. For the first time that day, 462 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: Pivnic was at a loss for words. Five days later, 463 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: the Washington Post published Bob Dylan's comments on Satan at 464 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: the very same time that it was revealed that he 465 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: had joined an evangelical Christian movement called the Vineyard Christian Fellowship. 466 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 1: Dylan's private embrace of Christianity had gone public. What started 467 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: that day in print would go on to give birth 468 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: to the next Bob Dylan. But while Dylan was moving 469 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: on and once again becoming someone knew like a slow 470 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: train coming, the same could not be said for Patty Valentine, 471 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: who was continuing her struggle to shake off the events 472 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty six, and the first thing she did 473 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: after her defamation trial against Dylan fell apart was to 474 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: drop Valentine as her last name. She moved from New 475 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: Jersey to Florida and sought out the quiet life. Years later, 476 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: in she met some friends for an evening out. They 477 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: were old friends she used to know from back in 478 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: her time in New Jersey. As they walk to the 479 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: Port St. Lucy Movie Theater, they passed a bar. Inside 480 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: was loud and hot. Condensation frosted the part of the 481 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: window not taken up by the red knee on bar sign. 482 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: She stole a glimpse inside two guys shooting pool. She 483 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: had been hiding her anxiety well, but now old memories 484 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: began to bubble to the surface. She barely talked to 485 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 1: her friends about the movie they were about to watch. 486 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: Inside the pitch Black Theater, Patty and her friends sat 487 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: waiting the moments later, the giant's screen was filled with 488 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: the image of Denzel Washington, who within the year would 489 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: win the Academy Award for Best Actor for his performance 490 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: as boxer Ruben Carter. Denzel's eyes dazzled as he stared 491 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: into the eyes of a young friend and asked, do 492 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: you believe I killed those people? His friend replied, I 493 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: know you didn't. And there was a moment of silence 494 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: in the St. Lucy Theater, and then someone in the 495 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: little row broke that silence with a steel, hard voice. 496 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: I know you did. The voice was Patty's. Sitting next 497 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: to her was James Lawless, a retired police officer who 498 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: lived less than two blocks in the Lafayette bar. He 499 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: was the man who spoke to Muhammad Ali when the 500 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: Greatest of All Times showed up with a quarter million 501 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: dollars in cash in a suitcase for Hurricane Carter's bail. 502 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: Also in her group was Patty's lifelong friend, her roommate, 503 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: who lived with her above the bar at the time 504 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: of the murders. Her name was not public knowledge, nor 505 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: will it ever be. On the night of the murders, 506 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: she was visiting her mother out of town. If she 507 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: had been home, there's a strong chance that she and 508 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: Patty would have been downstairs playing pool at the very 509 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: moment the two men entered the bar brandishing firearms. When 510 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: Patty was confronted by herself on the screen, played by 511 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: Pipa Pear, three, her friends broke the silence once again, 512 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: this time with laughter. The on screen version of Patty 513 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: looked gaunt and pale, like a junkie with no home. 514 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: In the theater, Patty laughed the loudest before declaring, I 515 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: hope I looked better than that. Now she was bluffing. 516 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: Her laughter couldn't hide the years of trauma she'd endured 517 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: since renting the room above the Lafayette. The sound of 518 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: the gunshots from under her floorboards, the bodies lying motionless, 519 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: the sleepless nights that followed, and there was so much 520 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: blood then, and every time she looked back, it was 521 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: all still there. The Blood on the Tracks. Blood on 522 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: the Tracks produced by Double Elvis in partnership with I 523 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. It's hosted an executive producer by me Jake Brennan, 524 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: also executive produced by Brady Sather. Zeth Lundie is lead 525 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: editor and producer. This episode was written by Ben Burrow, 526 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: Story and copy editing by Pat Healy. Mixing and sound 527 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: designed by Colin Fleming. Additional music and score elements by 528 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: Ryan Spreaker. This episode feature Chris Anzeloni is Bob Dylan. 529 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: Sources for this episode are available at double Elvis dot 530 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: com on the Blood in the Tracks series page. 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