Speaker 1: This is umpay Bill from Team Supreme, here to give
Speaker 1: you the latest Quest Love Freme Classic episode. Back in October,
Speaker 1: Alan Leaves was our fifth guest on q LS. That conversation,
Speaker 1: which I encourage you all to check out, has been
Speaker 1: re released. But even three hours Allan was not enough.
Speaker 1: He came back for a two part interview. Last week.
Speaker 1: We ran part two, which you also need do here
Speaker 1: Now Here's Allen's third QLs episode, first aired March. In
Speaker 1: this final of three parts, Allen talks a lot about
Speaker 1: as James Brown. There's some really great stuff, especially if
Speaker 1: you're a fan of Prince D'Angelo and Chris Rock. Alan
Speaker 1: leads definitely deserved three QLs episodes, and we're happy to
Speaker 1: share the leading episode one O two in Jodan. Okay,
Speaker 1: see you. You walked us thoroughly through UH prime early
Speaker 1: younger James Brown in the in the beginning, So no, no, no, Well,
Speaker 1: I actually want to skip because it's more about the
Speaker 1: business of tour managing than anything um and this stuff
Speaker 1: I really didn't get to touch upon the last time
Speaker 1: you were here. So I mean, assuming that by the numbers,
Speaker 1: I would I would think that Prince was your biggest
Speaker 1: artist at least by the numbers. Yeah, touring wise, So
Speaker 1: when you're okay, so when it's like okay, we're going
Speaker 1: to tour, what is step number one in tour managing
Speaker 1: at least by the eighties contemporary version, which I which
Speaker 1: I assume hasn't changed much now except for the communication.
Speaker 1: Probably not, but it's a lot of it depends on
Speaker 1: your relationship with the artist and his person, his or
Speaker 1: her personal manager. Because you take three tours in the chemistries,
Speaker 1: that can be three different things. Um. Most tour managers
Speaker 1: don't get involved in routing. We're dealing with the agents.
Speaker 1: I did. Um. I knew routing from having done it
Speaker 1: for five years with Brown. I knew arenas at new buildings.
Speaker 1: So for not only let me deal with Rob Light
Speaker 1: and we would sit and agent at the time and
Speaker 1: the tour promoters, which were usually Jeff Sharp and Quentin
Speaker 1: Perry has partners. Wait, Jeff Sharp, he can goes back
Speaker 1: to the early eighties, Damn. Okay. I know Jeff started
Speaker 1: from my my days of like smoking grooves and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But I didn't realized that he was early eighties into
Speaker 1: the Yeah. Yeah, because he was he was independent on
Speaker 1: the had his own company. It was long before a
Speaker 1: e g. Which is now Latin. But and we would
Speaker 1: sit down and talk about, Okay, you know, how many
Speaker 1: days do we want to play in certain cities? And
Speaker 1: you know, Sharpen the agent would do their research and
Speaker 1: come back and say, okay, Baltimore is worth two nights,
Speaker 1: bill these worth three nights, Detroits worth six nights. And
Speaker 1: then we would sit there and digest that, and then
Speaker 1: we would decide what we wanted to do with that information.
Speaker 1: Do we want to underplay it? Do we want to
Speaker 1: sit in Detroit for a week? Um? And didn't you
Speaker 1: know we would route a tour. So most two managers
Speaker 1: don't do that. They just get an itinerary from the
Speaker 1: agents and says, this is where you're going. I know,
Speaker 1: I know with an artist like Prince who was kind
Speaker 1: of hands off as far as you're getting to know him,
Speaker 1: and so you I guess the last time you're you're
Speaker 1: saying that chick was like if you asked him any questions,
Speaker 1: he'll think you don't know what you're doing. But it's like, well,
Speaker 1: one the narrative of the of the Purple Rain phenomenon,
Speaker 1: what I assume was unprecedented to everyone on how successful
Speaker 1: this is going to be or not. I mean, the
Speaker 1: movie could have came out and did Cherry Moon numbers
Speaker 1: and then it's like, well does he have life? I
Speaker 1: would assume that the success of the movie meant more
Speaker 1: dates had to be added, and it was crazy. So
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm thinking, are you like, Okay, well this
Speaker 1: guy likes to do these man in three hour shows. Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll let him do three nights and then get
Speaker 1: time off the rest. Or would he say no, work
Speaker 1: me to the bone? I want to know he would
Speaker 1: he would? You know? I mean what you described about
Speaker 1: not asking too many questions applied when I was new,
Speaker 1: before he really got to know me. Okay, but from
Speaker 1: then on it was like what the problem? I mean,
Speaker 1: we would talk about anything that was necessary to talk about.
Speaker 1: Would no hesitation? I mean the tiptoe. So when I
Speaker 1: started with him, as in how many nights do you
Speaker 1: want to do? How many nights do you want off?
Speaker 1: And a person that's addicted to recording would would he
Speaker 1: want equal time off to like, Okay, well let's do
Speaker 1: four nights on the road. And but then you have
Speaker 1: this large tour on your back. You have to make
Speaker 1: money exactly exactly. Yeah, every every night, off the meter
Speaker 1: is still running, everybody's in hotels, the trucks and busses
Speaker 1: are still running. Everything. Was he fin was he financially aware?
Speaker 1: What was he sort of it pays for itself somehow? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't really financially aware in those in the days
Speaker 1: I was there. I mean he'd radically changed that in
Speaker 1: time past. You think, Um, I wish I could see
Speaker 1: the erow we just did, here's a here's a latitude
Speaker 1: in my room, because we used to begging to try
Speaker 1: to cut costs and because I mean, you're doing this phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll flash forward to Love Sexy, a tour
Speaker 1: that barely broke even if in fact it did probably
Speaker 1: lost money, and saw the final accountings of the tour,
Speaker 1: but you know it's a very very expensive tour to
Speaker 1: mount and um, you know he can't get rich off
Speaker 1: that tour. I mean it's a legendary tour for the
Speaker 1: production value, but it was financially not successful. Purple ring was.
Speaker 1: I mean, that phenomenon was beatlesque. It was crazy, just
Speaker 1: car around. True. I would I would also think that, uh,
Speaker 1: he didn't care his his attitude towards money. Every time
Speaker 1: we go to say we can't afford he said, but
Speaker 1: I pay you guys to find the money. I want this,
Speaker 1: so figure it out. So there wasn't logic at all.
Speaker 1: Just make it happen. Yeah, pretty pretty much. This is
Speaker 1: what I want. Make it happen. I see, okay, So
Speaker 1: not to compare the two. One of the one of
Speaker 1: the prevalent problems of the Voodoot tour was that if de'
Speaker 1: angela ever went super hard with his voice, there might
Speaker 1: be the risk of us canceling the next night. Whereas Prince,
Speaker 1: well known for his screaming and use of his voice.
Speaker 1: I mean, were there ever problems of like his voice
Speaker 1: gave out tonight, we have to cancel the show. And
Speaker 1: it was never a major concern. I mean, having said that,
Speaker 1: it probably were times where his voice was in shape
Speaker 1: than it was, like I mean the trap of a feather,
Speaker 1: Daniel was like, I cancel the ship. But where Prince
Speaker 1: was Prince Moore Rider died. James Brown like, I don't
Speaker 1: care that I could be sick. Yes, So he did
Speaker 1: purple rain shows, even absolutely with a hurt knee and
Speaker 1: you know what cold and you know I mean, which
Speaker 1: nothing stopped it was. I think it was a TV
Speaker 1: performance where like he hits himself in the face with
Speaker 1: the yeah, like he did the whole set with like
Speaker 1: a mouthful of blood or something like that. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he Susanna said that he busted his lip doing that. No,
Speaker 1: he was a trooper. I mean you had to give
Speaker 1: him so many days off. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: we ever did more than three on before we took
Speaker 1: an off date. And we tried to do to one
Speaker 1: to one, but there were threes, but I don't really
Speaker 1: think we did more than three. I'm starting with Purple
Speaker 1: Rain two, where he was doing five and six a week.
Speaker 1: But um, but starting with Purple Rain, it was a
Speaker 1: little less often because it was it was a strain
Speaker 1: you were sure to do. I see. So then how
Speaker 1: do you you You were out at the beginning, so
Speaker 1: you built that into the routing and assuming that okay, well,
Speaker 1: I know that those Christmas shows were in Minnesota, so
Speaker 1: you assume that he wanted to be home for Christmas
Speaker 1: and accident of course, okay, and and gave a band,
Speaker 1: assuming that the band also lived in Minnesota well as well,
Speaker 1: so and afternoon shows up to think like we did
Speaker 1: do a couple of mats. I think and I know
Speaker 1: we did one. It was either Christmas eve Day or
Speaker 1: Christmas Day. I have to go look and don't remember.
Speaker 1: So even then it was like not take Christmas off.
Speaker 1: It was no, because that's that's that's a big ticket.
Speaker 1: And again you can I think we were off Christmas Day.
Speaker 1: I think that mattinate was Christmas. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: was either Christmas Day or Christmas eve Day. But you
Speaker 1: know this is when you're on tour, you know this,
Speaker 1: and in the meter's running, you gotta be very strategic
Speaker 1: about where your up dates are because okay, so but
Speaker 1: thank you sir, the thing is very the most organized.
Speaker 1: That's why he's here. Wait wait, I just had an
Speaker 1: important question about so. Well, what I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: at is when handling uh what I call monkey wrenches
Speaker 1: or eleventh hour avoid uh disaster. So I think with
Speaker 1: Purple Rain, uh the when did he get the ideas
Speaker 1: that he wanted to take off days to to do
Speaker 1: shows at for deaf children at death at death schools
Speaker 1: that we kind of built in from the beginning. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't wasn't just death. We we did
Speaker 1: Gallant at College in Washington, d C. Which is a
Speaker 1: university for hearing a prayered people. Well, hearing it parents
Speaker 1: not become in this woke era. You know it's supposed
Speaker 1: to say hearing it proods. So can you say that, um,
Speaker 1: what do you say? I always said that I didn't
Speaker 1: know hearing a parent was trust me. Tristan corrects me
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. It's like, dadda, don't say that.
Speaker 1: That's not cool. Was it his relationship with Tristan that
Speaker 1: it often wondered if that influence did because certainly he
Speaker 1: can do Tristan by then, and there was a possibility
Speaker 1: that maybe because Trison would hang out, they shoot hoops
Speaker 1: sometimes and you go into the students with him. How
Speaker 1: is Tristan now? Wait what in my mind Tristan is
Speaker 1: still like sixty, I wasn't ready for this. Ship is
Speaker 1: a man, Yes, Tristan, Oh, he acts like it. It's
Speaker 1: no mistaking he's a man. When you talk to him, dude,
Speaker 1: he's he's d's eh. That's how in my mind Tristan is.
Speaker 1: I think he would be like he's twenty nine now,
Speaker 1: like forty freaking five. Ship, I didn't realize that. Okay,
Speaker 1: so at the beginning of this happening, like was he
Speaker 1: aware of lu Prince was, Like was Tristan Well, even
Speaker 1: at the time he was, I mean if he's five
Speaker 1: years than men, yeah he was seven eight If he wasn't,
Speaker 1: he became a word pretty quickly, I mean certainly by
Speaker 1: like he was. He was born in seventy four, so
Speaker 1: Purple was, and he knew who Prince was. Definitely, And
Speaker 1: Dad's in a movie. Okay, you know ten year old kid,
Speaker 1: Dad's in a movie. I see, so it's up the time.
Speaker 1: But but his relationship, I mean, Prince had seen him
Speaker 1: and met him, but it was later that they got
Speaker 1: close when once Paisley Park was up, which is of
Speaker 1: course several years past Purple. But once Paisley Park goes
Speaker 1: up and Tristan started spending more time with us in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: He would come out with me and do you not
Speaker 1: be going to work? And he's like, can I hang out?
Speaker 1: And yeah, come on if you want, and he'd spend
Speaker 1: the whole Yes, he'd take him in the studio and
Speaker 1: play him stuff and sitting ask him like, okay, what
Speaker 1: do you hear? What if this track can you feel
Speaker 1: the base part. Can you hear the drums? Can you
Speaker 1: hear the guitar? Because he was always interested in what
Speaker 1: is his degree? His degree of hearing, because quite deaf
Speaker 1: in the higher registers, but his hearing is maybe fifty
Speaker 1: fifty and low registers. Okay, it's perfect for hip hop.
Speaker 1: Heaby and and I'll never forget. This is really off
Speaker 1: the beating path, but I'll never forget. We were riding
Speaker 1: in a car and Alexander's O'Neill's fake, fake, fake fake
Speaker 1: came on the radio. Can I gets base? We're listening
Speaker 1: to came? O j was another you can hear that
Speaker 1: song coming from a mile away, and don't talk. Tristan
Speaker 1: would hear that open being his low teens, ten eleven,
Speaker 1: twelve years old, and He's like that, that sounds like fake,
Speaker 1: and Alan's drove off the road. Uh. And that's when
Speaker 1: I realized that he had not just enough hearing, but
Speaker 1: also the musical sensibility to recognize a song just based
Speaker 1: on and it wasn't even jacked up loud, so it
Speaker 1: was definitely base and drops, whatever the patterns were. And
Speaker 1: it really it changed our lives because from that point on,
Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was very awkward to have
Speaker 1: somebody who lives and breathes a passion for music. You
Speaker 1: can't have a child that you can't share that with.
Speaker 1: And more importantly, it's not about me, it's about him,
Speaker 1: because you don't want it to appear that something that
Speaker 1: he can't get into is so important to dad, because
Speaker 1: that creates a void. It creates a feeling of inadequacy,
Speaker 1: which is the last thing you want him to have,
Speaker 1: because the whole, the whole idea of raising a child
Speaker 1: who has a hearing problem is that you can do
Speaker 1: anything except here. And we're not going to give you
Speaker 1: a pass because of that. You're gonna get out of
Speaker 1: the car and go into the store and get what
Speaker 1: you want. And if you have to write a note,
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you have to do to communicate with
Speaker 1: the store clerk or wherever the hell we are, you're
Speaker 1: gonna do that. And that's how we raised him, and
Speaker 1: and is totally self sufficient, and you know as a result,
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna get any sympathy. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is this is the world, this is the world,
Speaker 1: and you gotta function and I ain't gonna be here
Speaker 1: forever okay. So the idea that music was so important
Speaker 1: to me was awkward because I didn't want him to
Speaker 1: sense how important it was so as to feel like
Speaker 1: an outsider or that he was somebody inadequate. So when
Speaker 1: he started recognizing songs, I'm like, oh, I mean this, this,
Speaker 1: this was the kid. When he was like five years old.
Speaker 1: We would look it up. He would see a Funkadelic
Speaker 1: album cover. Of course, he was a track the Parliament
Speaker 1: Delic album Carrots because of the graphics and every and
Speaker 1: he's five years old, and god, that crazy George. Crazy George.
Speaker 1: So he had the disease it was in And now
Speaker 1: he sends me YouTube clips of bands that I've never
Speaker 1: heard of. If he turns me onto Mortarship that I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy. Um. But then we were totally
Speaker 1: off the beat and path. No, I'm wow. I'm still
Speaker 1: mind blowing. That he's in his forties, so it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So okay. So I'm also it's hard to explain to
Speaker 1: people that I could have a son forty five and
Speaker 1: that that he was born when I was only ten.
Speaker 1: That's there you go. Also, I guess I have to
Speaker 1: take into account that Prince rarely got a no in
Speaker 1: the eighties if he wanted something done correct or okay,
Speaker 1: I pay you to figure it out. Just yeah, you
Speaker 1: would have to figure it out, give you a story.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if we if you cut me off,
Speaker 1: if we did this before. But but this is this
Speaker 1: is a metaphor for everything about Prince. Remember the Alphabet
Speaker 1: Street video. Yeah you did tell us a story? I did. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to that one in
Speaker 1: the quest. Yes, so all right, So that's that's a
Speaker 1: prime Is there any other Well, there was at least
Speaker 1: one a day. When when when did the after shows?
Speaker 1: I mean the earliest after show I've heard was, well
Speaker 1: the sign, Well there was a parade. There's a few
Speaker 1: parade ones in Europe, but what was There was one
Speaker 1: in a hotel bar in I have that one. Well
Speaker 1: where he just crashed a hotel bar that had a
Speaker 1: band and just decided to take over and they were
Speaker 1: fine with that. It was Prince, Yeah, it was Prince.
Speaker 1: Was the Prince was like, who's this guy? No, it
Speaker 1: was Prince Okay, yeah, okay, no, we we have a
Speaker 1: I think one of the earliest ones we have is
Speaker 1: a there's a Sam's Club. He debutsed all the critics
Speaker 1: love you in New York and remember he said this
Speaker 1: is this is just a dance. Yeah, so obviously, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that was an after show from that. That's a great
Speaker 1: shop by the way. Yeah, it was. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find I don't know if it exists, but there's one. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think job Wobble was playing at First Avenue that
Speaker 1: night and he got up on stage with Prince got
Speaker 1: up on stage with him in the base. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he licked the guitar. Yeah, Prince, we
Speaker 1: were in a club in Paris. This was in the
Speaker 1: pre Cheering Moon experiment of going to Paris to see
Speaker 1: if he liked it and would we shoot in France
Speaker 1: and we were. It was Farnoi and Prince and me
Speaker 1: and don't forget who else, maybe Jerome, and we spent
Speaker 1: a week in Paris just to hang out and see
Speaker 1: if Prince might survive it. Yeah, and he spent most
Speaker 1: of the time in his hotel suite with the keyboard
Speaker 1: that we went on bought the first day we got there.
Speaker 1: Um writing music, most of which ended up this party.
Speaker 1: The Cherryman and Parade Elements on. Um. Long story short,
Speaker 1: we were in some crazy club that was like a
Speaker 1: low rent version of Mulan Rouge. They had they had
Speaker 1: dancing girls that were exacted. Was it wasn't an outright
Speaker 1: titty bar. I mean it wasn't you know, it wasn't sleazy,
Speaker 1: but they were hot girls who were abbreviated outfits abbreviated.
Speaker 1: I don't know how did you say that? I mean
Speaker 1: they had clothes on, but barely. Okay anyway, Um, but
Speaker 1: it was. It was just a little Parisian lounge and
Speaker 1: it it, you know, and for some reason he liked it,
Speaker 1: and so we went there a couple of times and
Speaker 1: they had little combo and I I think it was like
Speaker 1: a three piece combo of three local musicians that played
Speaker 1: corny stuff. They were terrible, and he just one night
Speaker 1: he looked at me and he said, would you ask
Speaker 1: me if I could play? And I don't think those
Speaker 1: musicians really knew who he was. I mean they were
Speaker 1: they were older guys, and they were like the French
Speaker 1: version of the De Polie trio or something. They were
Speaker 1: just really really cheesy, and he just decided he wanted
Speaker 1: to play. I don't know if he wanted to impress
Speaker 1: one of the dancers or what. And he got up
Speaker 1: there and he played and sang two or three songs.
Speaker 1: I can't even tell you what they were. He just
Speaker 1: started band leading. No, no, no, he just went up
Speaker 1: there and a almost he knew those songs. Oh he
Speaker 1: did a solo. Oh ship, Yeah damn. That was a
Speaker 1: treat at Maxims in Paris, France. It wasn't. It was
Speaker 1: actually called La Milia dere Oh. Okay, okay, that one's
Speaker 1: not here. No nobody knows. It was just off the
Speaker 1: comp the first time it's ever been mentioned. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: so in one of those rehearsal tapes, I realized that
Speaker 1: his level of wanting to play no matter who was
Speaker 1: on instruments. Uh, there's all right. So there's there's a
Speaker 1: tape of a forty five minute jam. Like, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I love and respect the three of you in this room,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I would put two hour
Speaker 1: efforts for us to have a jam session, because I
Speaker 1: could sort of imagine what the result would be with
Speaker 1: just the four of us in this room. Put me
Speaker 1: on drums, I'll be all right. But alright, so Vanity
Speaker 1: is on keyboards Jamie shop is on drums. I think
Speaker 1: Jamie shoopers on drums, Vanity is on keyboards. I think
Speaker 1: Fink is on another keyboard, and Princess basically trying to
Speaker 1: teach them how to jam or how to play. Okay,
Speaker 1: what if the three of us were cute girls. I
Speaker 1: never met Jamie Shoop until so in her heyday, Jamie
Speaker 1: Shoop was Are you saying she's not fine now in
Speaker 1: a non me two wish way? No, no, no, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jamie was hot and she had a cool person that
Speaker 1: I looked she was. She was going to be one
Speaker 1: of the Hookers, wasn't she. Yeah, that's right, she had
Speaker 1: to be hot. I forgot that she was a word.
Speaker 1: Okay for those that don't know, those that do not know.
Speaker 1: Before before, before they were called Vanity six. Before Vanity
Speaker 1: six was formed, Prince was going to perform a group
Speaker 1: called the Hookers and the lead yes and our older
Speaker 1: sister yes and um the lead the lead singer was
Speaker 1: gonna Their stage name was going to be the Vaginas
Speaker 1: Vagina I guess or that yeah wow yeah. That obviously
Speaker 1: did not work, so they changed it, Yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that he sounds just as
Speaker 1: happy and he's got al Bolo about how do you say,
Speaker 1: I see? I thought that was no. No, it's Alan
Speaker 1: bol the photographer, petographer. He's also playing as well. He's
Speaker 1: playing bass. But so that obviously means he has photos
Speaker 1: from that probably ship, and it also means that his
Speaker 1: story of him coming up with the river Let's go
Speaker 1: Crazy is probably true as well. Damn good one, good one,
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah. But my whole thing is that, well,
Speaker 1: if who was there, they probably were shooting something. It
Speaker 1: could have been promote pictures for god knows what, because
Speaker 1: he wouldn't I mean, they weren't that close that he
Speaker 1: was just gonna be hanging out house and play bass.
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't gonna happen. So then he must
Speaker 1: have been there with a with a photographic purpose that
Speaker 1: then turned into you know, maybe they drank a little.
Speaker 1: But my question is that he just for him any
Speaker 1: jam session was the equivalent of talking or I'd rather
Speaker 1: be trying to play music with you than the small talk,
Speaker 1: or maybe maybe after your tape runs out, he starts
Speaker 1: making fun of him not being able to play you know.
Speaker 1: It's also that I don't know. There's the famous Spruce
Speaker 1: Springsteen Camy on one of his shows and way back
Speaker 1: to the dressing room, he's looking at me and he's
Speaker 1: bouncing up and down. I don't he can't play guitar.
Speaker 1: There's that I have that I thought he was cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, Bruce hung in there. But okay, in your observations,
Speaker 1: I always thought that major towns were not as good
Speaker 1: as the smaller towns as far as show is concerned,
Speaker 1: because you think specifically for princes or in general in general,
Speaker 1: but yes, also for princes. Uh. Based on the Purple
Speaker 1: Rain shows. None of the l A shows we're exciting.
Speaker 1: To me. I have a theory. I think that if
Speaker 1: people are watching you, and this has been for every
Speaker 1: show I've ever done in l A, and stars come
Speaker 1: out girls you like her movies and on television show,
Speaker 1: they're in the audience. Yeah. I always think that shows
Speaker 1: in front of celebrities freezes the artists, whereas towns that
Speaker 1: you have little expectations, you bring out your your A game.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the artist. I think it might
Speaker 1: be you know, the major publications are there, you know
Speaker 1: they you know, new York Times may send a reviewer
Speaker 1: out or Rolling Stone or somebody in that case in
Speaker 1: Minnesota must be a nightmare because John Breen is there watching.
Speaker 1: Was that was the rivalry with John Breen really real?
Speaker 1: Or was it like playful and he got tired John
Speaker 1: brute at one point and they kissed him, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, because it was like it wasn't a it
Speaker 1: was it was kind of a Trumpish moment. It was like,
Speaker 1: you're not loyal. You actually wrote something negative. If you're
Speaker 1: not loyal, fake news. Okay, you know you of all people, John,
Speaker 1: you were there at the beginning, you got you're supposed
Speaker 1: to stay loyal. Nelson George can write something bad, I
Speaker 1: might make a record about it, but well you know,
Speaker 1: I expect it, but not from you, not from uh
Speaker 1: like John's from the hometown. Yeah, you're supposed to. You
Speaker 1: were there from the beginning, and you wrote great things
Speaker 1: from the beginning, and you were way ahead of everybody
Speaker 1: else and recognizing I see whatever. So I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm surmising. But I mean, in your years of tour managing,
Speaker 1: what was your favorite period, Like, do you have a
Speaker 1: fine memory? The travel was great. I didn't have to,
Speaker 1: you know, fa a situation. It was, you know, I
Speaker 1: can I hit your pause button for minutes and rewind
Speaker 1: for a second, back to the intimidation factor of playing
Speaker 1: big cities, And I think Bill's right. I mean, certainly,
Speaker 1: the fact is you can't unless you're remarkably disciplined. If
Speaker 1: you know there's a media focus on what you're doing,
Speaker 1: if you know there's people in the audience whose opinions
Speaker 1: you care about or trying to impress for one reason
Speaker 1: or another, then you're going on stage with all of
Speaker 1: that somewhere in your head. Even if you can kick
Speaker 1: it to the rear burner, it's still there. So instead
Speaker 1: of going on stage in your normal zone where all
Speaker 1: you're thinking about is the music and who you're playing,
Speaker 1: It was m that it just makes sense that that
Speaker 1: would affect you. Now, there's some people who could overcome that,
Speaker 1: um but I think about Miles Davis used to say,
Speaker 1: and this was in Quincy Cher, the Miles Davis autobiography,
Speaker 1: talks about the fact that he could always tell when
Speaker 1: anybody in his band either we're looking at a girl
Speaker 1: in the audience of their old lady was there because
Speaker 1: they'd show off they played different they'd overplay, and he said,
Speaker 1: you it's a driving crazy out of the point where
Speaker 1: told Jack Dgent it do not bring a woman into
Speaker 1: these clubs. Really. Now it's Miles probably exaggerating a little
Speaker 1: bits the truth, but but yeah, he's telling the truth.
Speaker 1: And particularly in the context of a jazz quintet, where
Speaker 1: it's so much of it is improvisational, as opposed to
Speaker 1: a Prince concert where the band is pretty much playing
Speaker 1: the same thing that after night, Um, it would be
Speaker 1: that much more noticeable. And I suppose it's human nature.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, you're right, you know, we all
Speaker 1: look in the mirror once or twice extra if you're
Speaker 1: gonna see somebody you really care about. Okay, So anyway
Speaker 1: back to your question, what was your favorite period of
Speaker 1: tour managing or what was the easiest? Alright, alright, okay,
Speaker 1: what was the easiest? Like, just I suppose physically you
Speaker 1: would say, Chris Rock. Okay, I can see that because
Speaker 1: there's just there's five grown men who are responsible, mature,
Speaker 1: flying on private jets, staying in for its Carton's and
Speaker 1: nobody has to wake anybody up, nobody misses the plane. Um,
Speaker 1: the only time we'd ever spat was who gets the
Speaker 1: art section of the New York Times first on the flight?
Speaker 1: You know? Um? Now the gig was was you think
Speaker 1: the gig is easy because it's stand up. There's no production,
Speaker 1: there's at least very little. But the other side of
Speaker 1: that point is what that with that tour you're wearing
Speaker 1: because you don't have the staff, you're out there by
Speaker 1: yourself in terms of management, and you're wearing every hat.
Speaker 1: So you're overseeing the production. You're overseeing the local crews
Speaker 1: that do sound in lights, you're overseeing, um, the promoters,
Speaker 1: you're overseeing the settlements. You're doing the settlements. Um. I
Speaker 1: would assume that you do and you do settlements anyway though, right, yeah?
Speaker 1: But or do you send someone But here, here's here's
Speaker 1: the point. If I'm on the Angelo to or not
Speaker 1: gotta who do settlement? I just tell Bill Reeves, I
Speaker 1: won't be around for a now, or I'm going in front.
Speaker 1: If you need to be be hit me, text me I'm
Speaker 1: in the box office. Okay. But with Chris, you're scared
Speaker 1: to leave because who's in Terence? There's no backup? I see, okay,
Speaker 1: you know. So it got to the point where his
Speaker 1: personal assistant who really had nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: shows themselves, but was just his personal assistant. Um, I
Speaker 1: would always have him. If I'm going up front, I
Speaker 1: would say, Okay, you gotta keep your eyes on the stage.
Speaker 1: But also, I mean, Chris is a level celebrity, so
Speaker 1: it's just the five of you. Yeah, but he's a list.
Speaker 1: So like he's he's got a personal security. He's got
Speaker 1: one security. Okay, he's got his personal assistant. There's Chris,
Speaker 1: there's the opening comic. He usually travels with us, the
Speaker 1: support act and myself. Okay, that's it. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: And and I'm still doing the other things that too
Speaker 1: were manager does, which is do all the advancing with
Speaker 1: the venues we're headed next, and making sure this is
Speaker 1: set up and set up and make sure the cars right,
Speaker 1: and make sure that the staying in touch with the
Speaker 1: pilots and airports and knowing what the flight conditions, you know,
Speaker 1: all the ship that goes with the logistics and hotels
Speaker 1: and and is that always having a plan. B. You're
Speaker 1: looking at the weather app and it's raining in Tennessee
Speaker 1: and we might have to take a bus. Yeah, or
Speaker 1: either we're just gonna sit here and wait for the
Speaker 1: rain depending on forecast. So yeah, you always have to
Speaker 1: keep your on the weather. Okay, that's just part of it.
Speaker 1: So that's the easiest. What's the most historical Let me
Speaker 1: say this, it's it's it's a lot of work. It's
Speaker 1: long days, and Chris is one of the few comics
Speaker 1: I know who actually in system doing sound checks. As
Speaker 1: you know, because you've been there, so you know. So
Speaker 1: the day it starts at three or four o'clock in
Speaker 1: the afternoon, it doesn't end till midnight. Um, by the
Speaker 1: time you've unsettlement. Frequently the show would be down, but
Speaker 1: I would still have business and to stay back and
Speaker 1: wouldn't get to the hotel until that later. So there
Speaker 1: was there was a workload, curious workload, but it was.
Speaker 1: But it was not stressful because you didn't have to
Speaker 1: worry about knucklehead bass player who won't get up, disappears
Speaker 1: and you know, damn that Palladina and I'm playing. No,
Speaker 1: that's actually the one band where it wasn't the bass player.
Speaker 1: Historically it's always been the bass player that's a knucklehead.
Speaker 1: I can never really yeah, not the case we do, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in that case, the base was the responsible person. Yeah, Rumber,
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. He wouldn't he wouldn't. We'll see,
Speaker 1: he had his days, right, But yeah, right? What was
Speaker 1: what did you feel was the most historical in hindsight?
Speaker 1: What was the most historical run you did? It had
Speaker 1: to be purple, right, so you consider that more historable
Speaker 1: than the night that like sex Machine came together or
Speaker 1: well you're comparing him six months two or two a
Speaker 1: one night gig. I have a yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: you know, it was there a historical significant success of course,
Speaker 1: but you know, what did you feel was historical as
Speaker 1: it was happening, because that's rare to know that capturing
Speaker 1: So for you, I was relieved that he could take
Speaker 1: this new band that had its weaknesses and go in
Speaker 1: and cut what so obviously was going to be a
Speaker 1: smash hit. So it was really relief. Okay, because because
Speaker 1: the jury still out on whether or not they were
Speaker 1: still good or exactly. I mean, we knew Boots and
Speaker 1: Captures were keepers. That wasn't hard. But Clayton Connal's and
Speaker 1: all those cats were Yeah, right, I see, I see.
Speaker 1: Do you have any regrets or places that you haven't
Speaker 1: gone to or things that you haven't done yet tour wise,
Speaker 1: or what's well damn Okay, I know, with the exception
Speaker 1: of the D word, you where, but what stopped you
Speaker 1: from the next level? Like what kept you at tour
Speaker 1: manager as opposed to let me get a nine to
Speaker 1: five at you could easily worked at William Morris. No,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a conversation ahead with Bob Cavallo. When
Speaker 1: I took over Paisley Park Records, Bob called me and
Speaker 1: he was on the way out because it was around
Speaker 1: the same time, and it Pritts cleaned house a little
Speaker 1: bit after I took over the label. I know. Let
Speaker 1: me I'm rewind when he cleaned house and fired his lawyers,
Speaker 1: his business managers and his personal managers, Steve Farnoli and
Speaker 1: Bob Cavallo. When he fired them, that's when I actually
Speaker 1: went to him and said, Okay, I need a votal
Speaker 1: confidence if I next you're cleaning house and just need
Speaker 1: to know what's else going on. I told you you're fired. No,
Speaker 1: but you know what time out? What do you do?
Speaker 1: The firing it was Jane you were he second of
Speaker 1: nineteen after Graffiti Bird, Before Graffiti, it was after look
Speaker 1: sexy for Batman. But I'm saying, would he himself do it? Now?
Speaker 1: He said he sent he had he had another attorney
Speaker 1: who sent ledgers. He had already cooked up the deal
Speaker 1: with Albert made Nolie to be as manager. They had
Speaker 1: hatched this plan. Magnoli introduced him to a new lawyer,
Speaker 1: who then issued the seas and his sisters or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call him, the notifications that I'm breaking
Speaker 1: away from you guys. I'm only asking because all right,
Speaker 1: I've maybe the last two years, I've had to fire
Speaker 1: six people from my camp, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: most painstaking, especially when you're like super close to them.
Speaker 1: This week alone, last Saturday, I had to fire someone
Speaker 1: that's worked for me for like ten years. And it
Speaker 1: was like it was like asking for a divorce. I
Speaker 1: always wanted to know, like literally, like is he going around?
Speaker 1: Asked of advice, like how do you let someone go?
Speaker 1: How do you because he first of all, he didn't
Speaker 1: personally do it. Oh that's easy. I thought you had
Speaker 1: to do it yourself. Like no, he was a pump
Speaker 1: like that, wait should you? If you were all right?
Speaker 1: So he had me fire people. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: you've I'm sure you've had to fire many a person,
Speaker 1: not many, but yeah, right sure, But is there what's
Speaker 1: the proper way to do so? Because the thing is
Speaker 1: you're such you're such a paternal It really litherly figure.
Speaker 1: It depends on who it is and what the relationship is.
Speaker 1: It really does. Um. We had a road manager on
Speaker 1: a tour and I'm not going to say which one,
Speaker 1: who was out from the beginning of the tour and
Speaker 1: he was going to be the road manager of my
Speaker 1: tour manager. Can you say the tour or that would
Speaker 1: give it away? That gives it away? Yeah, and just
Speaker 1: as soon poor guys no longer Whether he since passed away,
Speaker 1: but he was totally qualified, had worked on other major tours,
Speaker 1: was a good guy, but for one reason or another,
Speaker 1: Prince Chick didn't like him, dropped the dime on and
Speaker 1: Prince didn't like him. The band loved him, and we
Speaker 1: were about two or three weeks into the tour if that,
Speaker 1: and Prince called me to his dressing room before show
Speaker 1: Who and he said, don't want you to fire us
Speaker 1: on so And I actually sucked it up and tried
Speaker 1: to make up a case because I felt it was
Speaker 1: totally unfair. That was he just playing for whatever stupid reason,
Speaker 1: just didn't like him. The guy hadn't done anything wrong.
Speaker 1: It was perfectly qualified. It was gonna give me personally
Speaker 1: a headache because now I had to replace him in
Speaker 1: the middle of a tour. I was gonna say, how
Speaker 1: do you find a b person? You know? Um, well,
Speaker 1: we did you do. I mean, it's part of having
Speaker 1: something filed away in the back of your head just
Speaker 1: in case. But the long june of it is is
Speaker 1: I had to go to this guy and you basically
Speaker 1: didn't speak to me for two years, and and he
Speaker 1: actually and if he knew that you weren't the person
Speaker 1: that pulled the trigger, or you're not allowed to say,
Speaker 1: look I love you, but dog no, that's exactly what
Speaker 1: I said that you gotta know this isn't coming from you.
Speaker 1: The band and they adore you, but there's a problem
Speaker 1: with the boss and he wants somebody else, and I
Speaker 1: worked for him, and I don't have his choice. And
Speaker 1: it was really really uncomfortable because I cared about Scott.
Speaker 1: It was it was unfair, okay, but he was the
Speaker 1: gold makes the girls, and I mean, deep down the
Speaker 1: guy understood, he got it. But from that point one
Speaker 1: and he actually ended up opening a business in l A.
Speaker 1: And Um I would occasionally drop by his business and
Speaker 1: it was always awkward, and he was close to Gwen.
Speaker 1: I mean it was really awkward. Um. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: on the Purple Rain tour, Princess business manager found a
Speaker 1: tour accountant that he assigned to the tour. And this
Speaker 1: guy came on the road and he too had worked
Speaker 1: on other tours. He had a resume. None of us
Speaker 1: knew him, but you know, it's gonna be the zour
Speaker 1: accountant and that's fine. You know, the business manager who
Speaker 1: we all knew and not a close relationship, was trusted him,
Speaker 1: so no reason not to trust him. So this was
Speaker 1: Purple Rain. We played Detroit. We ended up in Greensboro,
Speaker 1: which I think was the second stop, and Big Chick
Speaker 1: comes to me and he says, hey, buddy, what do
Speaker 1: you know about this accountant. Dude, nothing, I guess he's okay.
Speaker 1: He said, Well, he was chatting with being talking about
Speaker 1: he thinks you're overpaid, and he was talking about that
Speaker 1: that they could get a good tour manager for less
Speaker 1: money and this one and he didn't like Bill Reeves.
Speaker 1: He thought he was overpaid and some of the bands
Speaker 1: was overpaid, and he was just I said, chick, you
Speaker 1: just don't like him. You're dropping a dime on him
Speaker 1: by saying this, or you sirid he actually is just
Speaker 1: discussing people's salaries with you. And he says, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really have a horse in this race. But
Speaker 1: the guy ain't cool. Um m hmm. I called the
Speaker 1: business manager in l A and I said, I need
Speaker 1: somebody else. We were going to Philly Thanksgiving, yep, and
Speaker 1: we we actually where did we go first? I think
Speaker 1: we went to d C next, because we we we
Speaker 1: we busted from DC to Philly. I'll never forget. We
Speaker 1: busted as as opposed to find. And I called the
Speaker 1: business manager from d C and said, I want this
Speaker 1: guy out of here. He said, what happened? Did you verify?
Speaker 1: Did you verify? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I went to
Speaker 1: me denied it. But because my first thought was all right,
Speaker 1: it's chicken agitator and he could be. But I went
Speaker 1: to the guy and talked to him, and who was
Speaker 1: obvious that he his whole attitude. He's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that, you know, you need to
Speaker 1: streamline this, and you know, all I'm doing is trying
Speaker 1: to protect the artist. And I'm like, okay, you're the
Speaker 1: one guy in this whole crew. The artist doesn't even
Speaker 1: know right and this is my house. And if you
Speaker 1: want to streamline something because you think it's the right
Speaker 1: thing to do, then you should have come to me
Speaker 1: at the bodyguard and I'll have that conversation with you
Speaker 1: because I'd appreciate it if you can help us make
Speaker 1: more money. But don't be coming in my house behind
Speaker 1: my back. He's like, okay, I'm sorry, pop up. I
Speaker 1: call the business manager and said I don't want to
Speaker 1: see him after tomorrow. He rode the bus with us
Speaker 1: to d C to Philly. We got to the hotel
Speaker 1: in Philly and there was a message waiting for him
Speaker 1: to get on the first plane out the next morning.
Speaker 1: Everybody said what time did he come? M hm. So
Speaker 1: it totally to pay ends. It just totally depends. And
Speaker 1: the first lesson is don't hire your friends, son, you
Speaker 1: out now starting fire people. That's the key. Let me
Speaker 1: just mark this off. Do not ask for a raise
Speaker 1: because because I have I have had a situation um
Speaker 1: in the last ten years where I hired a friend
Speaker 1: who was qualified but for whatever reason, didn't satisfy the
Speaker 1: situation and or the artist, and I hesitated to fire him,
Speaker 1: and I should have. If it had been anybody else,
Speaker 1: I would have replaced him right um, And I didn't
Speaker 1: because I pumped out next subject before we wrapped up.
Speaker 1: I've heard quasi heard step Gordon's version of this, only
Speaker 1: because he's owner of Carlos and Charlie's. And we've had
Speaker 1: Huey Lewis on the show, and we're just discovering that
Speaker 1: Huey Lewis saying what was supposed to be Princess parts
Speaker 1: on We Are the World? Can you I've never asked
Speaker 1: you this question? What the hell actually happened the night
Speaker 1: of American Music Awards and why? How did you get
Speaker 1: the word that there was a song called we Are
Speaker 1: the World? And he's expected to participate, Like I assume
Speaker 1: that the call would have came to you first, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: not to you? Yeah, I mean I was involved into
Speaker 1: conversations and farnly pitched it to him. So do what
Speaker 1: Quincy's doing. He's reached out. He really wants you on this.
Speaker 1: Here's who everybody else is gonna be there in prison. No,
Speaker 1: he was just not interested. It's just I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be like everybody else. But he did contribute a song
Speaker 1: ultimately to that, and and he offered to do that
Speaker 1: at the beginning. He's like, I'll give my song for
Speaker 1: the album, but I'm just not that guy. I don't
Speaker 1: do group things that I don't have everything controlled over. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know that's understandable. Okay, but but but that night
Speaker 1: at Carlos and Charley's, like what happened that? What what
Speaker 1: happened is is we tried to convince him like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're not going to do that, but understand something, this
Speaker 1: recording session is bigger than the ords show. This is
Speaker 1: like the biggest thing of the year because everybody's there,
Speaker 1: and by you not doing it, you can't go out clubbing.
Speaker 1: That was the actual concern of you guys back then.
Speaker 1: It was a huge consitent This could be a pr disaster,
Speaker 1: Like why are you not singing for starving children? Yeah? Exactly,
Speaker 1: you I would think, like now just been like Rianna
Speaker 1: didn't make it. Well maybe now, but but there wasn't
Speaker 1: No Prince couldn't make it because um Quincy was pissed.
Speaker 1: He's like, who does he think The reaction was from him?
Speaker 1: Midtalanto Routie was, who does he think he is? Michael's here?
Speaker 1: Diana Ross is here, fucking Ray Charles is here? Is here? Okay?
Speaker 1: Left right? And the Canadian, the Canadian who was part
Speaker 1: of USA for Africa. Um, but no, it was a
Speaker 1: serious concern. So they just literally thought that he would
Speaker 1: jump at this opportunity. I suppose. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: who does he think he is? Park here? He goes
Speaker 1: at the door? Everybody else who's famously private and diva ish,
Speaker 1: no more than Donna Ross, right, Michael was no joke.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if they can do it, why can't
Speaker 1: he do it? Not to mention the fact that it's
Speaker 1: a cause he should be associated with. So I still
Speaker 1: think decision. I'm not saying it wasn't. But the issue
Speaker 1: wasn't whether he did it. It was to Quincy because
Speaker 1: he took it personally, because that's just how exactly. But
Speaker 1: the issue was don't go out drinking in clubs when
Speaker 1: everybody else is doing that. Because the media was out there,
Speaker 1: I mean, this was a big event and everybody at
Speaker 1: the Oars was talking about it. See at the studio.
Speaker 1: You know, this was huge. It's never been a an
Speaker 1: assemblage of the Empany people to make one record on
Speaker 1: on that level. It was crazy. It was unamagine somebody said,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have all of those people in a recording
Speaker 1: studio at the same time, You'd be like, what, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, so we begged him and we had
Speaker 1: a plan. We were staying at the Westwood Markuee out
Speaker 1: in Westwood. Yeah, it was kind of one of the
Speaker 1: hot hotels at that point, and it was also off
Speaker 1: the beaten path because it was all the way west.
Speaker 1: And we went back to the hotel to celebrate and
Speaker 1: we got Bobby, and Vickie was there and Gwen was there,
Speaker 1: and we all went up to his suite and hung
Speaker 1: out and I said, Okay, none of us are going
Speaker 1: to paid early tonight. We're gonna hang out with him
Speaker 1: because we gotta keep him in the hotel. So we
Speaker 1: got to create your was absolutely a plan. Is that
Speaker 1: a party with six people? Well there were more, the
Speaker 1: whole band was there, a few other people, and you know,
Speaker 1: but it was basically in the house. Because that's not
Speaker 1: really like socialized. It doesn't let any nobody come hang
Speaker 1: in the hotel suite. But the whole point was just,
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's keep the talk going. It was
Speaker 1: a great night. We won awards, and to celebrate, and
Speaker 1: let's toast and even have a couple of extra drinks
Speaker 1: or maybe he'll fall asleep because he wasn't a drinker.
Speaker 1: He was like, he'd have two drinks in Carloston Charlie's
Speaker 1: and be sitting on the floor gagling literally literally, Um
Speaker 1: yeah when it come to drinking. Absolutely so that that
Speaker 1: was the whole plan. And I guess it got to
Speaker 1: be about one o'clock, maybe one three. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you exactly what time. And um, we finally figured okay,
Speaker 1: and it was a piano in his sweet and he
Speaker 1: was playing, and you know, it was, you know, big
Speaker 1: party the in house, all of us celebrating because it
Speaker 1: has been a great night. And um, so finally figured
Speaker 1: it was safe and I was exhausted, so Gwen and
Speaker 1: I went to our room and the little party broke up,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking mission accomplished. It's all good. About three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, the phone rings in my room
Speaker 1: and it's chick buddy. We got a problem. That's how
Speaker 1: it always starts. How many times wait, wait with pause?
Speaker 1: How many times have you gotten a call from Chick
Speaker 1: where it's buddy, we got a problem. Knock that often.
Speaker 1: We didn't have a lot of problems. But so you
Speaker 1: already were bracing yourself. No, I thought we were cool.
Speaker 1: I thought mission accomplished. Said he's had a couple of drinks,
Speaker 1: he's getting sleepy, he's you know, he had his his
Speaker 1: fun was his with his posse, and we gave him
Speaker 1: all the props he needed to feel important. Didn't feel
Speaker 1: good about the night, you know, and he was already
Speaker 1: talking about the song he was gonna do for the album.
Speaker 1: It's Steve reminded us of So I'm thinking we're good. Well,
Speaker 1: not only did he called Chick to go out after
Speaker 1: we all disappeared, and they also had I think Wally
Speaker 1: was with him, Wally Stafford and another bodyguard named Larry,
Speaker 1: and they went to Carlos and Charlotte's, and some paparazzi
Speaker 1: mobbed the car and they got into a pushing. I
Speaker 1: guess they tried to stick the camera in the window
Speaker 1: of the car window or something. And and at any rate,
Speaker 1: there was a spat and the photographer said that he
Speaker 1: had been attacked, and um um, I guess Larry the
Speaker 1: bodyguard who was like twice your size. I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy was freaking huge. He's like he was like Tyson
Speaker 1: Fury huge. And um, I guess he did push him
Speaker 1: or shove him or smack him or something. I don't
Speaker 1: know what he did. At any rate, the police locked
Speaker 1: up Larry. So it wasn't just about Princes having this
Speaker 1: issue that is now going to be in the press.
Speaker 1: But you also had our bodyguard dudes on tour with
Speaker 1: us in jail, so I had to deal with that
Speaker 1: how to get him out? And sure enough USA today
Speaker 1: and a lot of the papers that they're talking about
Speaker 1: prints attacking and photographer at Carlos and Charley's, while the
Speaker 1: whole record industry is doing, We're in the world and
Speaker 1: it's exactly what happened. So do you think it was
Speaker 1: ego that made him not want to participate in that,
Speaker 1: or like he's notorious for not letting people watch him
Speaker 1: record his vocals. Do you think that might have been
Speaker 1: played a part of it. I never thought that that
Speaker 1: might have been part of it. But he wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be doing really lead vocals. So I don't think
Speaker 1: that was that big of an issue. It's like he
Speaker 1: never never wanted to be part of anything that that
Speaker 1: he didn't have control over. I mean, if you if
Speaker 1: you think of all the other people's records that he
Speaker 1: appeared on, they were almost was tracks he produced or
Speaker 1: head input or head control. He just the same goes
Speaker 1: with you're gonna play like this, Yeah, but then you
Speaker 1: guys mix him like so you can't hear him? So
Speaker 1: is he even really there? Yes, he's there that you
Speaker 1: know what now that HUEI So Huie reveals that, um,
Speaker 1: I didn't know Chef Carloson Charley. Yeah, so he has
Speaker 1: a story like he he has a Eddie Murphy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he chef was part owner of Carlson Charles. He tells
Speaker 1: the story of Eddie Murphy getting into a tussle with
Speaker 1: a fan the night before his first day of shooting
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills cop and so Eddie actually has to go
Speaker 1: to the Beverly Hills jail and it took method acting
Speaker 1: and it took I guess the president of Paramount had
Speaker 1: to call up Sheep to see if chef could pull strings.
Speaker 1: Chef had like pulled with the Beverly opd back then
Speaker 1: or whatever, and said, look, this guy has to be
Speaker 1: on set tomorrow at five am. Yeada YadA woo, and
Speaker 1: took a lot of easing into that. But Sheep also remembers,
Speaker 1: uh that night, that's how I knew that he owned
Speaker 1: was part owner Carlos and Charlie. The thing is is
Speaker 1: that when Huey lewis Revelle, so there's a point when
Speaker 1: you's like telling what the experiences like. And I think
Speaker 1: at the last minute they realized, ship, we don't know
Speaker 1: everbody's singing Prince's part. And just at the last minute,
Speaker 1: Quincy looking from the huie, you sing it. And then
Speaker 1: I realized, oh, Michael Jackson, you slide devil like you
Speaker 1: purposely set up this, this this game of horse once
Speaker 1: again for Prince to follow you. And it's done in
Speaker 1: a key. Prince rarely sings in in uh e minor.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's too high for him to sing, it's
Speaker 1: too low for like he rarely sings. It was shokodels
Speaker 1: in e minor like I can count like and and
Speaker 1: Dorothy Parker he changed the speed of his voice on
Speaker 1: that song too, exactly That's what I'm saying is done
Speaker 1: in that. And you know, Dorothy Parker is more him
Speaker 1: going all over the place but not sticking in that key.
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine him singing. I've never heard him
Speaker 1: singing a song. So when I realized that, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh damn, Michael Jackson set him up again. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I don't want to end it on a bad prince.
Speaker 1: All right, that's enough, no, okay for you. Purple Rain
Speaker 1: was the most historical, and yeah, I mean it's as
Speaker 1: a tour, it had to be. I mean, what James Brown,
Speaker 1: We didn't tour. We worked. It's so there were certain
Speaker 1: gigs that were more significant than others. But but it's
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to isolate a tour because we just
Speaker 1: worked all the time out of the year exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: So my last question is what do you think you
Speaker 1: have a top three? Damn, this show is good moment
Speaker 1: and I know that most of the time your backstage,
Speaker 1: you know, handling business, preparing for Like do you have
Speaker 1: you ever watched any of your clients shows from beginning
Speaker 1: to end from the front of the house occasion, sure,
Speaker 1: just for nothing to do or just just to make
Speaker 1: sure that nothing goes wrong, like are you looking at
Speaker 1: the lights of and or are you just They're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I trust that for the next hour and a half,
Speaker 1: the world's not gonna come to an end and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Has this backstage? Or there was a James
Speaker 1: Brown show at the at the Old Spectrum in Philly
Speaker 1: and the Cells were on the show right and the
Speaker 1: Dells were red hot at the time, and they killed
Speaker 1: and James was backstage. I tell the story in the book.
Speaker 1: He was backstage pacing, going berserk. He told Danny Ray
Speaker 1: to go out there and pull him off stage. They're
Speaker 1: staying on too long. They had they had the crowd
Speaker 1: in the poplar hands. Now they're blown it because they didn't.
Speaker 1: They're not professionals. They don't know when to come off.
Speaker 1: And it was all because they were killing. The place
Speaker 1: was going to preserve m hmm. And wait, was there
Speaker 1: stage though that good? Or is this the Hits or
Speaker 1: just Marvin Jr. Was just God of singing. They could sing.
Speaker 1: The Dells were no joke. I mean, they had the
Speaker 1: typical choreography and they were good at it. But but
Speaker 1: and a couple of more decent looking guys. But I
Speaker 1: mean they weren't the Temptations, but goddamn they could sing Marvin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: neither was Johnny cart exactly. And their harmonies, they their
Speaker 1: group harmonies tended to be a little more sophisticated than
Speaker 1: the average duop group. Right. Um and they and they
Speaker 1: had they had a string of great sun Stepney before
Speaker 1: he did their biggest hits. Um, and they were killing.
Speaker 1: This was right at the peak of their their thing.
Speaker 1: James was going crazy. I've never seen him like that,
Speaker 1: and it really was remarkable to me because I had
Speaker 1: never seen him actually show any nerves like that. And
Speaker 1: I mean he was dressed and pacing and smoking a cigarette,
Speaker 1: which you never did until he would he would smoke.
Speaker 1: He didn't smoke, but he would smoke a cigarette as
Speaker 1: he walked to this age and then hand it to
Speaker 1: somebody as he walked onto the stage. And I guess
Speaker 1: it had something to do with his voice, and he
Speaker 1: believed it did something for his voice that raps came from.
Speaker 1: Unless it was just a nervous happened or is this
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, This is seventy or seventy one, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: This is super prime James yeah. Oh yeah, that guy
Speaker 1: was good. Yeah. I think he meant mustache. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, no, no no no, this was this
Speaker 1: was no facial hair James. This was a James. And
Speaker 1: this is nineteen seventy. My parents are at this show
Speaker 1: because my mom said that my first kicks were at
Speaker 1: a Dell's concert. Anyway, Okay, so you were there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: suffice it to say, if you remember the Spectrum, the
Speaker 1: stage was in the round, in the middle of the arena,
Speaker 1: and it actually revolved through it slowly revolved. So the
Speaker 1: idea was that every seat would get a front review
Speaker 1: at some point. Spectrum or Valley Forge Music Fair, Spectrum, yeah,
Speaker 1: they have one, not the only place that had it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, long story short places soldier. It's packed,
Speaker 1: it's really big show. And he comes out and in
Speaker 1: order to get to the stage because it's in the
Speaker 1: middle of the green and you got to create a
Speaker 1: space to get from the locker rooms across to the stage,
Speaker 1: and of course as security, and you create a human
Speaker 1: fence with security and so on and so on, and
Speaker 1: and I mean he got mopped. I mean they were
Speaker 1: people were diving over the security just to tear at him.
Speaker 1: He got to the stage, his jacket was already torn.
Speaker 1: I mean literally he hit the stage with it was
Speaker 1: kind of a shirt jacket and it was like a
Speaker 1: jumpsuit type town or seventies and and it was torn.
Speaker 1: And he looked a little bit disheveled because he going
Speaker 1: through this. And it was probably the most intense show
Speaker 1: I've ever seen him too before since. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was just absolutely on fire and memorably so. And who
Speaker 1: was the band probably so it was it was boosting
Speaker 1: them and I can't remember if they don't have any um,
Speaker 1: but I mean, he was just amazing. He was just
Speaker 1: just just the Bambo was tight. Clyde was there. He
Speaker 1: had come back, so we had Clyde and Jabbo both
Speaker 1: on stage. I can't remember if Pinkney was back yet,
Speaker 1: probably because he was he had come back. But it
Speaker 1: was just and in the place, and of course a
Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with the audience was amped.
Speaker 1: It was just people weren't preserved um. So that's memorable.
Speaker 1: But quite honestly, and Princeman Annex will hate me for this.
Speaker 1: The most musically gratifying shows I've been part of since
Speaker 1: my James Brown years. Thank you very much, Dalter, don't
Speaker 1: do that. Don't do that. That's not true. That's not
Speaker 1: good man. Yeah, seriously, dude, but no question. Our show
Speaker 1: was just by the transitive accium. This show was a parade. Parade.
Speaker 1: Now do you see how he says our show? He
Speaker 1: doesn't realize I could be talking about the more recent
Speaker 1: shows with Chris. Are you telling me good ones? Good one? No? Seriously,
Speaker 1: I played agree with you. I played tapes of those shows.
Speaker 1: Like their new records, they're in steady constant rotation in
Speaker 1: my house. We're never gonna get that live album? Are
Speaker 1: we that voodoo live albums? No, we aren't. That silence there,
Speaker 1: there were some coded words there. It's always a possibility, never,
Speaker 1: never say never. That's the That's the one moment in
Speaker 1: my life where I felt I was living history in
Speaker 1: real time, like something historical. And it wasn't that because
Speaker 1: it wasn't because like that was my first taste of
Speaker 1: something major, you know, because by that point, like we
Speaker 1: had just broken through the other side as the roots
Speaker 1: and you know, like just slowly started to creep to
Speaker 1: a satisfactory level of celebrity whatever. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: for me, nothing will ever beat that Minneapolis show and
Speaker 1: got Prince Fans will kill me. It was just it starts.
Speaker 1: See the Minneapolis show starts with we. We were summoned
Speaker 1: to the park at one m. At one M. Well,
Speaker 1: are you talking about that experience? Are you're talking about
Speaker 1: the actual gig? No? No, no no, But that experience
Speaker 1: leads to the gig. And you know, it was a
Speaker 1: really weird night with him. I've had great nights wood prints,
Speaker 1: I've had weird nights wood prints. We had nights wood prints.
Speaker 1: But it's like we we were there for three hours,
Speaker 1: and to me, the highlight of the whole night. Now,
Speaker 1: we played with him for an hour. We sat in
Speaker 1: the studio with him for an hour, listen to music
Speaker 1: for an hour, And to me, the best part of
Speaker 1: the whole night was the forty five minutes we took
Speaker 1: out to watch an HBO special by a comedian named
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle that was on rotation in his nightclub. You know,
Speaker 1: this guy is really funny, you said, And we sat
Speaker 1: and watched it. He had Dave on that one on
Speaker 1: the Beach one special, which one the Love for One
Speaker 1: Enough other special. Yeah, Dave comes out like in the
Speaker 1: middle of it and does like a five minutes see
Speaker 1: or something like that. I was disinvited from that, remember,
Speaker 1: were then I became disinvited. Even Richie the driver, who's
Speaker 1: the driver, Robbie the driver like couldn't drive us in
Speaker 1: the gates because he had been banned from Like we
Speaker 1: had to walk through the snow to get there, not
Speaker 1: the snow, like I just remember he could. It was
Speaker 1: the summertime, right or honestly, no, I started the show
Speaker 1: started in March. Yeah, it was summertimes or early fall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just remember that Robbie was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: allowed to drive through, so you guys to walk through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's weird. And that's where the night got weird. But
Speaker 1: he had worked for him for years, right, old person assistant,
Speaker 1: you know we know. So wait, don't we saw that, Robbie?
Speaker 1: Yeah we do? Yeah? Yeah. And that was August of
Speaker 1: two damn. What the internet is amazing? Damn? And this
Speaker 1: the show I saw? It was two days after that.
Speaker 1: What did you see Indiana the expo? No, I'm you're anyway?
Speaker 1: So uh we left is that there must be a
Speaker 1: Perkins restaurant or some sort of pancake house that's near
Speaker 1: there and Robbie took us to it, and me and
Speaker 1: d were our first words was like, yo, man, I
Speaker 1: feel like we didn't know how to feel because the
Speaker 1: night was just weird, Like he was talking weird. What
Speaker 1: didn't you call me? And I don't remember who? And
Speaker 1: you said, We've been quiet in the car all the
Speaker 1: way and I feel like I need a bath. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, never forget it. It was such a weird
Speaker 1: violation because I'd never experienced. You know, now, I'm very
Speaker 1: careful about like, oh, don't meet your idols, they might
Speaker 1: disappoint you. But that was such an ambush that we
Speaker 1: weren't ready for. And we sat there for like three minutes.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, like wait, was he trying to
Speaker 1: diss us or what do you what do you think?
Speaker 1: That's what? Like? We just sat there like not knowing
Speaker 1: what happened to us. It was like some aliens side
Speaker 1: in your heads. He he didn't get in our heads?
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, you just said he did? Basically, it
Speaker 1: wasn't he. I was disappointed he tried to get in
Speaker 1: our heads because you know, I mean, no no secret.
Speaker 1: I know he was like, you know, dude, watch out
Speaker 1: for like you whatever, and yeah, all that stuff label,
Speaker 1: but I bootlegged old stuff that's out there, and so
Speaker 1: we said, I don't know. The next day, like you know,
Speaker 1: we we went to our rooms next day, and then
Speaker 1: backstage I was he was like, how do you feel, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I was just like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: let's just let's do it. Because the thing was we
Speaker 1: wanted to know was he gonna come to this and
Speaker 1: he had conveniently Well, we should also preface that John
Speaker 1: Breen didn't help at all with this one. Like John
Speaker 1: Breen probably wrote the most scathing Prince taunt, and I
Speaker 1: felt like he thought he was doing something good but
Speaker 1: like trying to provoke Prince into or no, just to
Speaker 1: return to his yeah, that sort of thing. So he
Speaker 1: wrote this whole he wrote yeah, but he wrote this
Speaker 1: whole thing about like you know, like a new Kings
Speaker 1: in town. And I read the article and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is so over the top, Like John, you're not helping,
Speaker 1: You're making people hate us. And I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just when we performed, when he performed Devil's Pie, he
Speaker 1: brought that halle Berry energy and by the time we
Speaker 1: got to we asked your brother to uh Solong lady,
Speaker 1: and it was just like I felt we were on fire,
Speaker 1: like I thought we were going to levitate, and the
Speaker 1: audience was dead, and I was nervous about all that,
Speaker 1: like we're in his town and we know his spies
Speaker 1: are here and whatnot. I don't even believe that he
Speaker 1: went to Egypt that day. I just think he just
Speaker 1: told us that, just know he knew enough to know
Speaker 1: you were gonna kill and he didn't want to be
Speaker 1: man I was. You know, it's it's that's that's the
Speaker 1: side of him. God rest assult just as so annoying
Speaker 1: and not necessary. It's it's just like an a really
Speaker 1: brief comparison. Talk about this in the book too um
Speaker 1: for him to talk to you and d And I
Speaker 1: remember D told me because John had also done a
Speaker 1: story about me becoming Deed's part manager co manager and
Speaker 1: you know, it's small media towns and that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: And Prince sent the Deeds all only it's your manager,
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of like what's wrong with two?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, didn't you think that he would
Speaker 1: be proud that somebody who learned the business a great
Speaker 1: part of the business through him with him goes on
Speaker 1: and their career grows the same way that he hires
Speaker 1: you because you And this is the comparison when Purple
Speaker 1: Rain Blue Up, James Brown did an interview with MTV
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and one of the questions they asked
Speaker 1: him was, how do you feel about the fact that
Speaker 1: you're playing clubs and you've got Michael Jackson and particularly
Speaker 1: Prince who are selling out to reading us all over
Speaker 1: the world and they're basically this generation's version of you.
Speaker 1: And Brown says, well, there's a lot of my people
Speaker 1: over there in Princess Camp, you know, namely Alan Leads.
Speaker 1: And I was like, thank you, godfather, you know. But
Speaker 1: now that was also him trying to take credit for
Speaker 1: you know. It's like, well, that's because I let him
Speaker 1: have my people. But but he was the next time
Speaker 1: I saw I might tease him about that, and he
Speaker 1: was like proud. I mean, he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: when I hired your kids, I knew you were going
Speaker 1: places and you gotta be careful now you you're in
Speaker 1: a fast track now. And he gave me fatherly advice.
Speaker 1: But he was actually proud that somebody who was a
Speaker 1: novice under him had worked his way at to the
Speaker 1: point where he was on the biggest freaking tour in
Speaker 1: the decade, and you know that ain't gonna be Prince.
Speaker 1: And it was just unnecessary because Prince and I never
Speaker 1: really fell out. He called me, you know, usually when
Speaker 1: he's through with somebody's through, but he called me back
Speaker 1: to set up a Japanese tour for him in the nineties.
Speaker 1: He needed somebody to deal with the promoters. I didn't
Speaker 1: go on the tour, but at that particular time, he
Speaker 1: didn't have a tour worthy staff of of of back
Speaker 1: line people, and he said, I need you to find
Speaker 1: me a production manager and I needs you to negotiate
Speaker 1: the deal with Hudo, the promoter in Japan. I owed
Speaker 1: him some dates, but I just need you to set
Speaker 1: up the crew and do some of the do the
Speaker 1: tour managers stuff. But you don't need to go on
Speaker 1: the tour. Just hire somebody to go. And he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it can't be like it used to be.
Speaker 1: You can't be calling me all the time. We're not
Speaker 1: going to hang out. But I'll pay you well and
Speaker 1: just do what you do. You know. I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: you know that's good for me, right, And then a
Speaker 1: couple of years later, he called me. Didn't ask me
Speaker 1: to do the liner notes for the Hits package UM,
Speaker 1: which was the first ever collection of his records outside
Speaker 1: of sequenced albums and UM, and he said, and I
Speaker 1: said okay, but he said, well there's certain things I
Speaker 1: once said, and I said, okay, so let me interview you.
Speaker 1: And he said, great, let's do that. And of course
Speaker 1: he had bright of approval or the finished products. You
Speaker 1: you interally said on the phone, and most of what's
Speaker 1: in those liner notes, all the little tidbits about each
Speaker 1: song came from him. You recorded this, damn it Allen,
Speaker 1: because you know, I was glad man. It was all impromptu.
Speaker 1: If we had set it up in advance, I would
Speaker 1: if you don't men the famous phone stuff. But no,
Speaker 1: it was just like we're talking about and he says, well,
Speaker 1: just interview me, come on, do it now, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: tell me once telling you you know something, And with
Speaker 1: no preparation, we just just and you telling me stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, there was some respect there and
Speaker 1: we were cool. And occasionally I run into him on
Speaker 1: the road. I dropped in and released party once what
Speaker 1: used to be the Village Gate that it was life
Speaker 1: for a minute, and so on. And you were there
Speaker 1: that night. We were there with Chris ship I didn't
Speaker 1: know you. That was I didn't know you. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's the night I first met him and I was
Speaker 1: not then listened and there was a problem getting it
Speaker 1: and Chris, Chris said it me, you got a let
Speaker 1: him in and just pulled one of those things and
Speaker 1: Prince gave me a huge hug and we talked for
Speaker 1: a few minutes. You know, um, and you know so,
Speaker 1: I mean it's I don't get it. I just don't
Speaker 1: get it, and us don't know the out of me,
Speaker 1: because that means that you did some beef. That means
Speaker 1: you did something right. Like if you weren't a threat,
Speaker 1: there's an artist now, that's that's that's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: And and and you gotta understand when we came through
Speaker 1: with Voodoo, and particularly in light of the video and
Speaker 1: how everybody was obsessing over the video, which became MTVS
Speaker 1: Video of the Year. Yes, I'm sorry, and you know
Speaker 1: that that was a threat to him. He didn't know
Speaker 1: how far this was going to go. There was a
Speaker 1: threat because this is this is a kind of commotion
Speaker 1: that he got when he broke out exactly the same
Speaker 1: kind of commotion. It's like, here's this sex symbol, this
Speaker 1: this crazy guy that girls are going reserk over. And
Speaker 1: he wears you know, tights and crazy clothes that men
Speaker 1: don't wear. And the song was obviously influenced by well
Speaker 1: what wasn't Yeah, you know, but I mean that one
Speaker 1: was almost like a rewriter. She's just a baby. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest. We didn't know that then, really, I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: we didn't know that. We didn't know that. Then maybe
Speaker 1: it's a deep too. I mean I I didn't know
Speaker 1: who cares? No, they didn't, who cares? You know? It worked? Um,
Speaker 1: so I think he really did. And that's that's why
Speaker 1: the that's why the weird news that night. So, uh,
Speaker 1: your third one, Black Massariah tours over anything. We're prints. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just about personal where my spott is musically, Um okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's about the churchiness. It's about the fact that
Speaker 1: he had amazing bands that had more freedom to play
Speaker 1: than princess bands did. Princess bands were always scripted. It's
Speaker 1: not they weren't good bands. It's not that they couldn't play.
Speaker 1: Eight but everything he did was scripted. Mhm. It feels
Speaker 1: like D was going for more the after show Vive
Speaker 1: m hmm. Yeah, but even that I don't think gives
Speaker 1: a credit because there's a there's a jazz mentality that
Speaker 1: goes with um. The Voodoo Tour was a little more
Speaker 1: scripted than the stuff that we did later, because the
Speaker 1: stuff we did after Black Massiah was a little looser.
Speaker 1: And actually we would change sett lists from night to
Speaker 1: night for a bit, and and and he he didn't
Speaker 1: have the same relationship with Chris Dave that he had
Speaker 1: with you. So as a result, Chris would go rogue
Speaker 1: occasionally and it might drive d crazy. And then there
Speaker 1: were nights where d would be like, yo, I love
Speaker 1: that ship. That's dope, And the next night Chris would
Speaker 1: do something crazy and he would be like, man, would
Speaker 1: you tell him to just keep time not need a mirror?
Speaker 1: You know? It was that kind of thing Yang and Yang.
Speaker 1: But at some music head, I'm loving this ship because
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there watching him and Pinot every night, and
Speaker 1: it's like every night they surprised me with something, so
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like pretending it's jazz and I'm not even
Speaker 1: listening to everybody else, I'm just listening to the rhythm section,
Speaker 1: and Sharky is like amazing. Um, you know. So, so
Speaker 1: here's an artist who has had two landmark bands now
Speaker 1: overall Soultronic. It's that's the band of the the era.
Speaker 1: That's no, there won't be a better better for lack
Speaker 1: of a better way of putting its soul band. Um,
Speaker 1: probably in our lifetime. Um the Roots and his next
Speaker 1: band are probably next. And it's a lot of the
Speaker 1: same people. So duh. But that's what Matt see. What
Speaker 1: got me into James Brown wasn't just James Brown? Who
Speaker 1: was the band love music and and And I'm the
Speaker 1: person who listens to her record And it doesn't even
Speaker 1: hear the singing until I hear the track. And if
Speaker 1: the track doesn't move me, I don't care what the
Speaker 1: singing is. And I don't care if I like the
Speaker 1: singer or not. If the track is smoking, I like
Speaker 1: the record, And forget lyrics. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: lyrics are. The lyrics always come last for me too. Um,
Speaker 1: sometimes they may even come at all to because I
Speaker 1: don't even care unless they're unusually profound. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Sometimes I find out the lyrics
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, maybe I should just continue
Speaker 1: ignoring them, right, all right, So when is your next
Speaker 1: book coming out? I gotta figure out what it is first,
Speaker 1: And I had a couple of ideas, have actually started
Speaker 1: on one, but I'm I don't know. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: like I'm the angel loads I think I want to
Speaker 1: do the most is not the most commercially viable. So
Speaker 1: I've got to figure out, like, Okay, the one I
Speaker 1: want to write, it couldn't actually get published, and is
Speaker 1: there a chance somebody would publish it? A and B
Speaker 1: you could sell a few copies? Um, you know, as
Speaker 1: opposed to everybody says, right, a Prince book, that's the
Speaker 1: fastballs down in the middle, because there's more of a
Speaker 1: market and for the kind of things I would write about,
Speaker 1: it's probably the most marketable idea. But there's so many
Speaker 1: Prince books. But I will say that, but you you
Speaker 1: and Gwen's take in wax Poetic, I've read that ten
Speaker 1: fifteen times at least, Like I think, really, I feel
Speaker 1: like if there's someone that would give us the definitive
Speaker 1: oral history of at least the I mean, I'm limited
Speaker 1: by just saying the Purple Rain Tour or whatever I
Speaker 1: think all Revolution members which trust you to talk to them,
Speaker 1: or whatever I feel like you could get and now
Speaker 1: or maybe ladies and gentlemen, you know the guyfather of
Speaker 1: all tour management, Quest Love Supreme, the Quiet Edition, We
Speaker 1: miss you all right and so more with Allen Lee's
Speaker 1: definitely check out our interview from with him in the archives, Yes,
Speaker 1: the archives. Yeah, well, thank you. Uh, and uh, hopefully
Speaker 1: you'll be here for a third round of course. Love
Speaker 1: Supreme beat Jimmy Jams record. Yes, because I think we're
Speaker 1: not tied now. Yes, you're so tired with him? All right,
Speaker 1: I wanna be up of Sugar Steve and Boss Bill
Speaker 1: and I'm paid Bill and Fonte and lay Brood here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're coming on one day. Uh, this question Love,
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