WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Alan Leeds (Part 3 of 3) 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:03.760 This is umpay Bill from Team Supreme, here to give 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:07.360 you the latest Quest Love Freme Classic episode. Back in October, 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.719 Alan Leaves was our fifth guest on q LS. That conversation, 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:13.440 which I encourage you all to check out, has been 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.400 re released. But even three hours Allan was not enough. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.079 He came back for a two part interview. Last week. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.239 We ran part two, which you also need do here 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:28.040 Now Here's Allen's third QLs episode, first aired March. In 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:30.240 this final of three parts, Allen talks a lot about 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.279 as James Brown. There's some really great stuff, especially if 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.160 you're a fan of Prince D'Angelo and Chris Rock. Alan 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.199 leads definitely deserved three QLs episodes, and we're happy to 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:50.120 share the leading episode one O two in Jodan. Okay, 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:56.680 see you. You walked us thoroughly through UH prime early 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:05.600 younger James Brown in the in the beginning, So no, no, no, Well, 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.360 I actually want to skip because it's more about the 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.600 business of tour managing than anything um and this stuff 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.160 I really didn't get to touch upon the last time 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:20.000 you were here. So I mean, assuming that by the numbers, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.160 I would I would think that Prince was your biggest 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:27.759 artist at least by the numbers. Yeah, touring wise, So 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:32.759 when you're okay, so when it's like okay, we're going 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:39.840 to tour, what is step number one in tour managing 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:45.480 at least by the eighties contemporary version, which I which 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.360 I assume hasn't changed much now except for the communication. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.200 Probably not, but it's a lot of it depends on 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.280 your relationship with the artist and his person, his or 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:58.360 her personal manager. Because you take three tours in the chemistries, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:04.080 that can be three different things. Um. Most tour managers 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.000 don't get involved in routing. We're dealing with the agents. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:12.240 I did. Um. I knew routing from having done it 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.400 for five years with Brown. I knew arenas at new buildings. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.639 So for not only let me deal with Rob Light 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:27.120 and we would sit and agent at the time and 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.760 the tour promoters, which were usually Jeff Sharp and Quentin 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.919 Perry has partners. Wait, Jeff Sharp, he can goes back 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:39.040 to the early eighties, Damn. Okay. I know Jeff started 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.360 from my my days of like smoking grooves and whatnot. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.359 But I didn't realized that he was early eighties into 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:51.480 the Yeah. Yeah, because he was he was independent on 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.400 the had his own company. It was long before a 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:59.960 e g. Which is now Latin. But and we would 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.760 sit down and talk about, Okay, you know, how many 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.000 days do we want to play in certain cities? And 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.760 you know, Sharpen the agent would do their research and 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.600 come back and say, okay, Baltimore is worth two nights, 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.880 bill these worth three nights, Detroits worth six nights. And 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.680 then we would sit there and digest that, and then 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.519 we would decide what we wanted to do with that information. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.639 Do we want to underplay it? Do we want to 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.080 sit in Detroit for a week? Um? And didn't you 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.920 know we would route a tour. So most two managers 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.960 don't do that. They just get an itinerary from the 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.280 agents and says, this is where you're going. I know, 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.800 I know with an artist like Prince who was kind 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.240 of hands off as far as you're getting to know him, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.400 and so you I guess the last time you're you're 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.600 saying that chick was like if you asked him any questions, 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:55.440 he'll think you don't know what you're doing. But it's like, well, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:03.600 one the narrative of the of the Purple Rain phenomenon, 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.400 what I assume was unprecedented to everyone on how successful 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.360 this is going to be or not. I mean, the 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.240 movie could have came out and did Cherry Moon numbers 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.280 and then it's like, well does he have life? I 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.599 would assume that the success of the movie meant more 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:24.040 dates had to be added, and it was crazy. So 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:29.160 then I'm I'm thinking, are you like, Okay, well this 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.640 guy likes to do these man in three hour shows. Uh, 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.320 maybe we'll let him do three nights and then get 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.279 time off the rest. Or would he say no, work 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.000 me to the bone? I want to know he would 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.400 he would? You know? I mean what you described about 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.440 not asking too many questions applied when I was new, 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.560 before he really got to know me. Okay, but from 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.840 then on it was like what the problem? I mean, 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.560 we would talk about anything that was necessary to talk about. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.960 Would no hesitation? I mean the tiptoe. So when I 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.120 started with him, as in how many nights do you 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.520 want to do? How many nights do you want off? 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.760 And a person that's addicted to recording would would he 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.479 want equal time off to like, Okay, well let's do 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.120 four nights on the road. And but then you have 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.160 this large tour on your back. You have to make 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.360 money exactly exactly. Yeah, every every night, off the meter 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.360 is still running, everybody's in hotels, the trucks and busses 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.720 are still running. Everything. Was he fin was he financially aware? 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.560 What was he sort of it pays for itself somehow? Yeah, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.880 he wasn't really financially aware in those in the days 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.320 I was there. I mean he'd radically changed that in 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:47.960 time past. You think, Um, I wish I could see 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.479 the erow we just did, here's a here's a latitude 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.480 in my room, because we used to begging to try 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.800 to cut costs and because I mean, you're doing this phenomenal. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.400 I mean, I'll flash forward to Love Sexy, a tour 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.599 that barely broke even if in fact it did probably 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.840 lost money, and saw the final accountings of the tour, 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.839 but you know it's a very very expensive tour to 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.760 mount and um, you know he can't get rich off 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.919 that tour. I mean it's a legendary tour for the 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:24.680 production value, but it was financially not successful. Purple ring was. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:29.320 I mean, that phenomenon was beatlesque. It was crazy, just 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:37.839 car around. True. I would I would also think that, uh, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.960 he didn't care his his attitude towards money. Every time 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.680 we go to say we can't afford he said, but 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:47.159 I pay you guys to find the money. I want this, 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:53.640 so figure it out. So there wasn't logic at all. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.280 Just make it happen. Yeah, pretty pretty much. This is 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:01.560 what I want. Make it happen. I see, okay, So 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.000 not to compare the two. One of the one of 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:09.280 the prevalent problems of the Voodoot tour was that if de' 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:13.160 angela ever went super hard with his voice, there might 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:17.240 be the risk of us canceling the next night. Whereas Prince, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.440 well known for his screaming and use of his voice. 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.200 I mean, were there ever problems of like his voice 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.120 gave out tonight, we have to cancel the show. And 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.640 it was never a major concern. I mean, having said that, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:34.360 it probably were times where his voice was in shape 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.920 than it was, like I mean the trap of a feather, 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.880 Daniel was like, I cancel the ship. But where Prince 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.520 was Prince Moore Rider died. James Brown like, I don't 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.200 care that I could be sick. Yes, So he did 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:51.160 purple rain shows, even absolutely with a hurt knee and 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.000 you know what cold and you know I mean, which 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.600 nothing stopped it was. I think it was a TV 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.520 performance where like he hits himself in the face with 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.720 the yeah, like he did the whole set with like 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.119 a mouthful of blood or something like that. Well, yeah, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:12.040 he Susanna said that he busted his lip doing that. No, 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.240 he was a trooper. I mean you had to give 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.280 him so many days off. I mean, I don't think 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.640 we ever did more than three on before we took 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.920 an off date. And we tried to do to one 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.320 to one, but there were threes, but I don't really 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.480 think we did more than three. I'm starting with Purple 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.160 Rain two, where he was doing five and six a week. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.520 But um, but starting with Purple Rain, it was a 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.800 little less often because it was it was a strain 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:43.520 you were sure to do. I see. So then how 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.320 do you you You were out at the beginning, so 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.880 you built that into the routing and assuming that okay, well, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.560 I know that those Christmas shows were in Minnesota, so 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.920 you assume that he wanted to be home for Christmas 0:08:54.920 --> 0:09:01.319 and accident of course, okay, and and gave a band, 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.440 assuming that the band also lived in Minnesota well as well, 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.920 so and afternoon shows up to think like we did 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.400 do a couple of mats. I think and I know 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.880 we did one. It was either Christmas eve Day or 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.199 Christmas Day. I have to go look and don't remember. 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.600 So even then it was like not take Christmas off. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.320 It was no, because that's that's that's a big ticket. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.959 And again you can I think we were off Christmas Day. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.360 I think that mattinate was Christmas. I don't know. It 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.800 was either Christmas Day or Christmas eve Day. But you 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.520 know this is when you're on tour, you know this, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.400 and in the meter's running, you gotta be very strategic 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:48.440 about where your up dates are because okay, so but 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:54.040 thank you sir, the thing is very the most organized. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.400 That's why he's here. Wait wait, I just had an 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.240 important question about so. Well, what I'm trying to get 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:07.800 at is when handling uh what I call monkey wrenches 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:14.840 or eleventh hour avoid uh disaster. So I think with 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:21.080 Purple Rain, uh the when did he get the ideas 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.760 that he wanted to take off days to to do 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:28.240 shows at for deaf children at death at death schools 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.160 that we kind of built in from the beginning. I mean, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.760 it wasn't it wasn't wasn't just death. We we did 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.480 Gallant at College in Washington, d C. Which is a 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.720 university for hearing a prayered people. Well, hearing it parents 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.360 not become in this woke era. You know it's supposed 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.320 to say hearing it proods. So can you say that, um, 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.320 what do you say? I always said that I didn't 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.760 know hearing a parent was trust me. Tristan corrects me 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.720 on a regular basis. It's like, dadda, don't say that. 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.160 That's not cool. Was it his relationship with Tristan that 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.360 it often wondered if that influence did because certainly he 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.719 can do Tristan by then, and there was a possibility 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.920 that maybe because Trison would hang out, they shoot hoops 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.120 sometimes and you go into the students with him. How 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.800 is Tristan now? Wait what in my mind Tristan is 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:25.040 still like sixty, I wasn't ready for this. Ship is 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:30.840 a man, Yes, Tristan, Oh, he acts like it. It's 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:34.880 no mistaking he's a man. When you talk to him, dude, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:41.320 he's he's d's eh. That's how in my mind Tristan is. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.079 I think he would be like he's twenty nine now, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:49.760 like forty freaking five. Ship, I didn't realize that. Okay, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:54.080 so at the beginning of this happening, like was he 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.960 aware of lu Prince was, Like was Tristan Well, even 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.400 at the time he was, I mean if he's five 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:08.400 years than men, yeah he was seven eight If he wasn't, 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.920 he became a word pretty quickly, I mean certainly by 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.880 like he was. He was born in seventy four, so 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:22.600 Purple was, and he knew who Prince was. Definitely, And 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.880 Dad's in a movie. Okay, you know ten year old kid, 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:32.280 Dad's in a movie. I see, so it's up the time. 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.600 But but his relationship, I mean, Prince had seen him 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.480 and met him, but it was later that they got 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.240 close when once Paisley Park was up, which is of 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.080 course several years past Purple. But once Paisley Park goes 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.880 up and Tristan started spending more time with us in Minneapolis. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:50.520 He would come out with me and do you not 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.400 be going to work? And he's like, can I hang out? 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.480 And yeah, come on if you want, and he'd spend 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.040 the whole Yes, he'd take him in the studio and 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.280 play him stuff and sitting ask him like, okay, what 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.880 do you hear? What if this track can you feel 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.120 the base part. Can you hear the drums? Can you 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.040 hear the guitar? Because he was always interested in what 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:13.200 is his degree? His degree of hearing, because quite deaf 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:18.920 in the higher registers, but his hearing is maybe fifty 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.160 fifty and low registers. Okay, it's perfect for hip hop. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:29.800 Heaby and and I'll never forget. This is really off 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.800 the beating path, but I'll never forget. We were riding 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:37.679 in a car and Alexander's O'Neill's fake, fake, fake fake 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:44.640 came on the radio. Can I gets base? We're listening 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.880 to came? O j was another you can hear that 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:51.080 song coming from a mile away, and don't talk. Tristan 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.040 would hear that open being his low teens, ten eleven, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.280 twelve years old, and He's like that, that sounds like fake, 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.680 and Alan's drove off the road. Uh. And that's when 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:07.640 I realized that he had not just enough hearing, but 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:13.040 also the musical sensibility to recognize a song just based 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.920 on and it wasn't even jacked up loud, so it 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.800 was definitely base and drops, whatever the patterns were. And 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.600 it really it changed our lives because from that point on, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.200 you know, it was. It was very awkward to have 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.880 somebody who lives and breathes a passion for music. You 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.480 can't have a child that you can't share that with. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.560 And more importantly, it's not about me, it's about him, 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.480 because you don't want it to appear that something that 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.120 he can't get into is so important to dad, because 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.840 that creates a void. It creates a feeling of inadequacy, 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.440 which is the last thing you want him to have, 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.160 because the whole, the whole idea of raising a child 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.880 who has a hearing problem is that you can do 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.000 anything except here. And we're not going to give you 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:04.960 a pass because of that. You're gonna get out of 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.720 the car and go into the store and get what 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.040 you want. And if you have to write a note, 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.280 whatever the hell you have to do to communicate with 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.640 the store clerk or wherever the hell we are, you're 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.680 gonna do that. And that's how we raised him, and 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:21.120 and is totally self sufficient, and you know as a result, 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.880 and you're not gonna get any sympathy. It's like, you know, 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.320 this is this is the world, this is the world, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.680 and you gotta function and I ain't gonna be here 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:36.080 forever okay. So the idea that music was so important 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.760 to me was awkward because I didn't want him to 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.680 sense how important it was so as to feel like 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:49.920 an outsider or that he was somebody inadequate. So when 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.360 he started recognizing songs, I'm like, oh, I mean this, this, 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.840 this was the kid. When he was like five years old. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.200 We would look it up. He would see a Funkadelic 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.960 album cover. Of course, he was a track the Parliament 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.680 Delic album Carrots because of the graphics and every and 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:09.440 he's five years old, and god, that crazy George. Crazy George. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.200 So he had the disease it was in And now 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.160 he sends me YouTube clips of bands that I've never 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.440 heard of. If he turns me onto Mortarship that I mean, 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.840 it's it's it's crazy. Um. But then we were totally 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.160 off the beat and path. No, I'm wow. I'm still 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:32.920 mind blowing. That he's in his forties, so it's crazy. 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.840 So okay. So I'm also it's hard to explain to 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.480 people that I could have a son forty five and 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.480 that that he was born when I was only ten. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.360 That's there you go. Also, I guess I have to 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:52.040 take into account that Prince rarely got a no in 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:56.720 the eighties if he wanted something done correct or okay, 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:01.640 I pay you to figure it out. Just yeah, you 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.360 would have to figure it out, give you a story. 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.360 And I don't know if we if you cut me off, 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.560 if we did this before. But but this is this 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.639 is a metaphor for everything about Prince. Remember the Alphabet 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.760 Street video. Yeah you did tell us a story? I did. Okay, okay, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:17.399 you can go back and listen to that one in 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:22.280 the quest. Yes, so all right, So that's that's a 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.040 prime Is there any other Well, there was at least 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.000 one a day. When when when did the after shows? 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.320 I mean the earliest after show I've heard was, well 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.440 the sign, Well there was a parade. There's a few 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.639 parade ones in Europe, but what was There was one 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:45.720 in a hotel bar in I have that one. Well 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.200 where he just crashed a hotel bar that had a 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.800 band and just decided to take over and they were 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.320 fine with that. It was Prince, Yeah, it was Prince. 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.840 Was the Prince was like, who's this guy? No, it 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.439 was Prince Okay, yeah, okay, no, we we have a 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:04.320 I think one of the earliest ones we have is 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.479 a there's a Sam's Club. He debutsed all the critics 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.439 love you in New York and remember he said this 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.720 is this is just a dance. Yeah, so obviously, oh yeah, 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:16.920 that was an after show from that. That's a great 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.119 shop by the way. Yeah, it was. I'm trying to 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.359 find I don't know if it exists, but there's one. Uh. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.199 I think job Wobble was playing at First Avenue that 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.280 night and he got up on stage with Prince got 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.040 up on stage with him in the base. Yeah, it 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:38.879 was like, yeah, he licked the guitar. Yeah, Prince, we 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.520 were in a club in Paris. This was in the 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.040 pre Cheering Moon experiment of going to Paris to see 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.280 if he liked it and would we shoot in France 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.800 and we were. It was Farnoi and Prince and me 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.880 and don't forget who else, maybe Jerome, and we spent 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.480 a week in Paris just to hang out and see 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.400 if Prince might survive it. Yeah, and he spent most 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.920 of the time in his hotel suite with the keyboard 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.120 that we went on bought the first day we got there. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.560 Um writing music, most of which ended up this party. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:18.240 The Cherryman and Parade Elements on. Um. Long story short, 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:24.280 we were in some crazy club that was like a 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.960 low rent version of Mulan Rouge. They had they had 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.760 dancing girls that were exacted. Was it wasn't an outright 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.560 titty bar. I mean it wasn't you know, it wasn't sleazy, 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:41.080 but they were hot girls who were abbreviated outfits abbreviated. 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.120 I don't know how did you say that? I mean 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.879 they had clothes on, but barely. Okay anyway, Um, but 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.360 it was. It was just a little Parisian lounge and 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:56.359 it it, you know, and for some reason he liked it, 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.560 and so we went there a couple of times and 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.480 they had little combo and I I think it was like 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.240 a three piece combo of three local musicians that played 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:11.000 corny stuff. They were terrible, and he just one night 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.520 he looked at me and he said, would you ask 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.760 me if I could play? And I don't think those 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.040 musicians really knew who he was. I mean they were 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.480 they were older guys, and they were like the French 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.840 version of the De Polie trio or something. They were 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:29.320 just really really cheesy, and he just decided he wanted 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:30.840 to play. I don't know if he wanted to impress 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.639 one of the dancers or what. And he got up 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.920 there and he played and sang two or three songs. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.080 I can't even tell you what they were. He just 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.760 started band leading. No, no, no, he just went up 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.840 there and a almost he knew those songs. Oh he 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.919 did a solo. Oh ship, Yeah damn. That was a 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:53.199 treat at Maxims in Paris, France. It wasn't. It was 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:56.560 actually called La Milia dere Oh. Okay, okay, that one's 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:01.080 not here. No nobody knows. It was just off the 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:04.480 comp the first time it's ever been mentioned. Yeah, there's 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.879 so in one of those rehearsal tapes, I realized that 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.439 his level of wanting to play no matter who was 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:19.720 on instruments. Uh, there's all right. So there's there's a 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:24.920 tape of a forty five minute jam. Like, here's the thing. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.760 I love and respect the three of you in this room, 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.720 but I don't know if I would put two hour 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.480 efforts for us to have a jam session, because I 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.440 could sort of imagine what the result would be with 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.320 just the four of us in this room. Put me 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:44.040 on drums, I'll be all right. But alright, so Vanity 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:50.640 is on keyboards Jamie shop is on drums. I think 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:55.520 Jamie shoopers on drums, Vanity is on keyboards. I think 0:21:55.600 --> 0:22:00.320 Fink is on another keyboard, and Princess basically trying to 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:03.679 teach them how to jam or how to play. Okay, 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:09.119 what if the three of us were cute girls. I 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.920 never met Jamie Shoop until so in her heyday, Jamie 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.520 Shoop was Are you saying she's not fine now in 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.680 a non me two wish way? No, no, no, I 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.840 don't I don't know what I don't know. I mean, 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:25.920 Jamie was hot and she had a cool person that 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:27.320 I looked she was. She was going to be one 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.560 of the Hookers, wasn't she. Yeah, that's right, she had 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.760 to be hot. I forgot that she was a word. 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.840 Okay for those that don't know, those that do not know. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.480 Before before, before they were called Vanity six. Before Vanity 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.400 six was formed, Prince was going to perform a group 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:50.040 called the Hookers and the lead yes and our older 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.760 sister yes and um the lead the lead singer was 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.760 gonna Their stage name was going to be the Vaginas 0:22:55.880 --> 0:23:00.480 Vagina I guess or that yeah wow yeah. That obviously 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:04.200 did not work, so they changed it, Yeah, exactly so. 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.080 But the thing is is that he sounds just as 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:13.200 happy and he's got al Bolo about how do you say, 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.320 I see? I thought that was no. No, it's Alan 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:19.480 bol the photographer, petographer. He's also playing as well. He's 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.800 playing bass. But so that obviously means he has photos 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.840 from that probably ship, and it also means that his 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.280 story of him coming up with the river Let's go 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:33.479 Crazy is probably true as well. Damn good one, good one, 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:36.760 good one. Yeah. But my whole thing is that, well, 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.000 if who was there, they probably were shooting something. It 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:44.359 could have been promote pictures for god knows what, because 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.199 he wouldn't I mean, they weren't that close that he 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:50.399 was just gonna be hanging out house and play bass. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.680 I mean, that wasn't gonna happen. So then he must 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:56.639 have been there with a with a photographic purpose that 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.840 then turned into you know, maybe they drank a little. 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:05.120 But my question is that he just for him any 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:10.120 jam session was the equivalent of talking or I'd rather 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.920 be trying to play music with you than the small talk, 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:17.760 or maybe maybe after your tape runs out, he starts 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.800 making fun of him not being able to play you know. 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:25.399 It's also that I don't know. There's the famous Spruce 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:29.160 Springsteen Camy on one of his shows and way back 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.120 to the dressing room, he's looking at me and he's 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:33.800 bouncing up and down. I don't he can't play guitar. 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:41.879 There's that I have that I thought he was cool. 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:47.359 I mean, Bruce hung in there. But okay, in your observations, 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:53.720 I always thought that major towns were not as good 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.440 as the smaller towns as far as show is concerned, 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:02.000 because you think specifically for princes or in general in general, 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.600 but yes, also for princes. Uh. Based on the Purple 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.920