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Speaker 1: This is umpay Bill from Team Supreme, here to give

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Speaker 1: you the latest Quest Love Freme Classic episode. Back in October,

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Speaker 1: Alan Leaves was our fifth guest on q LS. That conversation,

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Speaker 1: which I encourage you all to check out, has been

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Speaker 1: re released. But even three hours Allan was not enough.

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Speaker 1: He came back for a two part interview. Last week.

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Speaker 1: We ran part two, which you also need do here

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Speaker 1: Now Here's Allen's third QLs episode, first aired March. In

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Speaker 1: this final of three parts, Allen talks a lot about

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Speaker 1: as James Brown. There's some really great stuff, especially if

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Speaker 1: you're a fan of Prince D'Angelo and Chris Rock. Alan

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Speaker 1: leads definitely deserved three QLs episodes, and we're happy to

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Speaker 1: share the leading episode one O two in Jodan. Okay,

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Speaker 1: see you. You walked us thoroughly through UH prime early

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Speaker 1: younger James Brown in the in the beginning, So no, no, no, Well,

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Speaker 1: I actually want to skip because it's more about the

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Speaker 1: business of tour managing than anything um and this stuff

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Speaker 1: I really didn't get to touch upon the last time

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Speaker 1: you were here. So I mean, assuming that by the numbers,

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Speaker 1: I would I would think that Prince was your biggest

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Speaker 1: when you're okay, so when it's like okay, we're going

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Speaker 1: to tour, what is step number one in tour managing

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Speaker 1: at least by the eighties contemporary version, which I which

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Speaker 1: I assume hasn't changed much now except for the communication.

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Speaker 1: Probably not, but it's a lot of it depends on

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Speaker 1: your relationship with the artist and his person, his or

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Speaker 1: her personal manager. Because you take three tours in the chemistries,

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Speaker 1: that can be three different things. Um. Most tour managers

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Speaker 1: don't get involved in routing. We're dealing with the agents.

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Speaker 1: I did. Um. I knew routing from having done it

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Speaker 1: for five years with Brown. I knew arenas at new buildings.

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Speaker 1: So for not only let me deal with Rob Light

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Speaker 1: and we would sit and agent at the time and

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Speaker 1: the tour promoters, which were usually Jeff Sharp and Quentin

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Speaker 1: Perry has partners. Wait, Jeff Sharp, he can goes back

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Speaker 1: to the early eighties, Damn. Okay. I know Jeff started

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Speaker 1: from my my days of like smoking grooves and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't realized that he was early eighties into

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Speaker 1: the had his own company. It was long before a

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Speaker 1: e g. Which is now Latin. But and we would

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Speaker 1: sit down and talk about, Okay, you know, how many

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Speaker 1: days do we want to play in certain cities? And

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Speaker 1: you know, Sharpen the agent would do their research and

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Speaker 1: come back and say, okay, Baltimore is worth two nights,

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Speaker 1: bill these worth three nights, Detroits worth six nights. And

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Speaker 1: then we would sit there and digest that, and then

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Speaker 1: we would decide what we wanted to do with that information.

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Speaker 1: Do we want to underplay it? Do we want to

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Speaker 1: sit in Detroit for a week? Um? And didn't you

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Speaker 1: know we would route a tour. So most two managers

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Speaker 1: agents and says, this is where you're going. I know,

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Speaker 1: I know with an artist like Prince who was kind

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Speaker 1: of hands off as far as you're getting to know him,

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Speaker 1: and so you I guess the last time you're you're

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Speaker 1: saying that chick was like if you asked him any questions,

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Speaker 1: he'll think you don't know what you're doing. But it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: one the narrative of the of the Purple Rain phenomenon,

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Speaker 1: what I assume was unprecedented to everyone on how successful

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Speaker 1: movie could have came out and did Cherry Moon numbers

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Speaker 1: and then it's like, well does he have life? I

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Speaker 1: would assume that the success of the movie meant more

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Speaker 1: then I'm I'm thinking, are you like, Okay, well this

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll let him do three nights and then get

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Speaker 1: before he really got to know me. Okay, but from

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Speaker 1: then on it was like what the problem? I mean,

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Speaker 1: Would no hesitation? I mean the tiptoe. So when I

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Speaker 1: And a person that's addicted to recording would would he

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Speaker 1: money exactly exactly. Yeah, every every night, off the meter

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Speaker 1: in my room, because we used to begging to try

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll flash forward to Love Sexy, a tour

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Speaker 1: but you know it's a very very expensive tour to

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Speaker 1: production value, but it was financially not successful. Purple ring was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that phenomenon was beatlesque. It was crazy, just

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Speaker 1: he didn't care his his attitude towards money. Every time

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Speaker 1: we go to say we can't afford he said, but

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Speaker 1: I pay you guys to find the money. I want this,

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Speaker 1: so figure it out. So there wasn't logic at all.

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Speaker 1: Just make it happen. Yeah, pretty pretty much. This is

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Speaker 1: what I want. Make it happen. I see, okay, So

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Speaker 1: not to compare the two. One of the one of

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Speaker 1: the prevalent problems of the Voodoot tour was that if de'

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Speaker 1: angela ever went super hard with his voice, there might

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Speaker 1: be the risk of us canceling the next night. Whereas Prince,

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Speaker 1: well known for his screaming and use of his voice.

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Speaker 1: I mean, were there ever problems of like his voice

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Speaker 1: it was never a major concern. I mean, having said that,

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Speaker 1: it probably were times where his voice was in shape

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Speaker 1: Daniel was like, I cancel the ship. But where Prince

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Speaker 1: was Prince Moore Rider died. James Brown like, I don't

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Speaker 1: care that I could be sick. Yes, So he did

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Speaker 1: purple rain shows, even absolutely with a hurt knee and

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Speaker 1: assuming that the band also lived in Minnesota well as well,

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Speaker 1: so and afternoon shows up to think like we did

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Speaker 1: So even then it was like not take Christmas off.

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Speaker 1: And again you can I think we were off Christmas Day.

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Speaker 1: and in the meter's running, you gotta be very strategic

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Speaker 1: like forty freaking five. Ship, I didn't realize that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so at the beginning of this happening, like was he

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Speaker 1: But but his relationship, I mean, Prince had seen him

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Speaker 1: be going to work? And he's like, can I hang out?

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Speaker 1: the whole Yes, he'd take him in the studio and

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Speaker 1: Heaby and and I'll never forget. This is really off

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Speaker 1: like John's from the hometown. Yeah, you're supposed to. You

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00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: were there from the beginning, and you wrote great things

427
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: from the beginning, and you were way ahead of everybody

428
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: else and recognizing I see whatever. So I'm just you know,

429
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm surmising. But I mean, in your years of tour managing,

430
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: what was your favorite period, Like, do you have a

431
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: fine memory? The travel was great. I didn't have to,

432
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, fa a situation. It was, you know, I

433
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: can I hit your pause button for minutes and rewind

434
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: for a second, back to the intimidation factor of playing

435
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: big cities, And I think Bill's right. I mean, certainly,

436
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: the fact is you can't unless you're remarkably disciplined. If

437
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: you know there's a media focus on what you're doing,

438
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: if you know there's people in the audience whose opinions

439
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: you care about or trying to impress for one reason

440
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: or another, then you're going on stage with all of

441
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: that somewhere in your head. Even if you can kick

442
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: it to the rear burner, it's still there. So instead

443
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: of going on stage in your normal zone where all

444
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: you're thinking about is the music and who you're playing,

445
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: It was m that it just makes sense that that

446
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: would affect you. Now, there's some people who could overcome that,

447
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: um but I think about Miles Davis used to say,

448
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: and this was in Quincy Cher, the Miles Davis autobiography,

449
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: talks about the fact that he could always tell when

450
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: anybody in his band either we're looking at a girl

451
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: in the audience of their old lady was there because

452
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: they'd show off they played different they'd overplay, and he said,

453
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: you it's a driving crazy out of the point where

454
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: told Jack Dgent it do not bring a woman into

455
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: these clubs. Really. Now it's Miles probably exaggerating a little

456
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: bits the truth, but but yeah, he's telling the truth.

457
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: And particularly in the context of a jazz quintet, where

458
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: it's so much of it is improvisational, as opposed to

459
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: a Prince concert where the band is pretty much playing

460
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: the same thing that after night, Um, it would be

461
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: that much more noticeable. And I suppose it's human nature.

462
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, you're right, you know, we all

463
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: look in the mirror once or twice extra if you're

464
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: gonna see somebody you really care about. Okay, So anyway

465
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: back to your question, what was your favorite period of

466
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: tour managing or what was the easiest? Alright, alright, okay,

467
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: what was the easiest? Like, just I suppose physically you

468
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: would say, Chris Rock. Okay, I can see that because

469
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: there's just there's five grown men who are responsible, mature,

470
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: flying on private jets, staying in for its Carton's and

471
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: nobody has to wake anybody up, nobody misses the plane. Um,

472
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: the only time we'd ever spat was who gets the

473
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: art section of the New York Times first on the flight?

474
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: You know? Um? Now the gig was was you think

475
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: the gig is easy because it's stand up. There's no production,

476
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: there's at least very little. But the other side of

477
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: that point is what that with that tour you're wearing

478
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: because you don't have the staff, you're out there by

479
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: yourself in terms of management, and you're wearing every hat.

480
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: So you're overseeing the production. You're overseeing the local crews

481
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: that do sound in lights, you're overseeing, um, the promoters,

482
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: you're overseeing the settlements. You're doing the settlements. Um. I

483
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: would assume that you do and you do settlements anyway though, right, yeah?

484
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: But or do you send someone But here, here's here's

485
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: the point. If I'm on the Angelo to or not

486
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: gotta who do settlement? I just tell Bill Reeves, I

487
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: won't be around for a now, or I'm going in front.

488
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: If you need to be be hit me, text me I'm

489
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: in the box office. Okay. But with Chris, you're scared

490
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: to leave because who's in Terence? There's no backup? I see, okay,

491
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: you know. So it got to the point where his

492
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: personal assistant who really had nothing to do with the

493
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: shows themselves, but was just his personal assistant. Um, I

494
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: would always have him. If I'm going up front, I

495
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: would say, Okay, you gotta keep your eyes on the stage.

496
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: But also, I mean, Chris is a level celebrity, so

497
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: it's just the five of you. Yeah, but he's a list.

498
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: So like he's he's got a personal security. He's got

499
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: one security. Okay, he's got his personal assistant. There's Chris,

500
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: there's the opening comic. He usually travels with us, the

501
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: support act and myself. Okay, that's it. Okay, that's it.

502
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: And and I'm still doing the other things that too

503
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: were manager does, which is do all the advancing with

504
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: the venues we're headed next, and making sure this is

505
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: set up and set up and make sure the cars right,

506
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: and make sure that the staying in touch with the

507
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: pilots and airports and knowing what the flight conditions, you know,

508
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: all the ship that goes with the logistics and hotels

509
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: and and is that always having a plan. B. You're

510
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: looking at the weather app and it's raining in Tennessee

511
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: and we might have to take a bus. Yeah, or

512
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: either we're just gonna sit here and wait for the

513
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: rain depending on forecast. So yeah, you always have to

514
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: keep your on the weather. Okay, that's just part of it.

515
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: So that's the easiest. What's the most historical Let me

516
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: say this, it's it's it's a lot of work. It's

517
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: long days, and Chris is one of the few comics

518
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: I know who actually in system doing sound checks. As

519
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, because you've been there, so you know. So

520
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: the day it starts at three or four o'clock in

521
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: the afternoon, it doesn't end till midnight. Um, by the

522
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: time you've unsettlement. Frequently the show would be down, but

523
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: I would still have business and to stay back and

524
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't get to the hotel until that later. So there

525
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: was there was a workload, curious workload, but it was.

526
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: But it was not stressful because you didn't have to

527
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: worry about knucklehead bass player who won't get up, disappears

528
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: and you know, damn that Palladina and I'm playing. No,

529
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: that's actually the one band where it wasn't the bass player.

530
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: Historically it's always been the bass player that's a knucklehead.

531
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: I can never really yeah, not the case we do, okay, Yeah,

532
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: in that case, the base was the responsible person. Yeah, Rumber,

533
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. He wouldn't he wouldn't. We'll see,

534
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: he had his days, right, But yeah, right? What was

535
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: what did you feel was the most historical in hindsight?

536
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: What was the most historical run you did? It had

537
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: to be purple, right, so you consider that more historable

538
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: than the night that like sex Machine came together or

539
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: well you're comparing him six months two or two a

540
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: one night gig. I have a yeah, I mean it's

541
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, it was there a historical significant success of course,

542
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: but you know, what did you feel was historical as

543
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: it was happening, because that's rare to know that capturing

544
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: So for you, I was relieved that he could take

545
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: this new band that had its weaknesses and go in

546
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: and cut what so obviously was going to be a

547
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: smash hit. So it was really relief. Okay, because because

548
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: the jury still out on whether or not they were

549
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: still good or exactly. I mean, we knew Boots and

550
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: Captures were keepers. That wasn't hard. But Clayton Connal's and

551
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: all those cats were Yeah, right, I see, I see.

552
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: Do you have any regrets or places that you haven't

553
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: gone to or things that you haven't done yet tour wise,

554
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: or what's well damn Okay, I know, with the exception

555
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: of the D word, you where, but what stopped you

556
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: from the next level? Like what kept you at tour

557
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: manager as opposed to let me get a nine to

558
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: five at you could easily worked at William Morris. No,

559
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a conversation ahead with Bob Cavallo. When

560
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: I took over Paisley Park Records, Bob called me and

561
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: he was on the way out because it was around

562
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: the same time, and it Pritts cleaned house a little

563
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: bit after I took over the label. I know. Let

564
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: me I'm rewind when he cleaned house and fired his lawyers,

565
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: his business managers and his personal managers, Steve Farnoli and

566
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: Bob Cavallo. When he fired them, that's when I actually

567
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: went to him and said, Okay, I need a votal

568
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: confidence if I next you're cleaning house and just need

569
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: to know what's else going on. I told you you're fired. No,

570
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: but you know what time out? What do you do?

571
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: The firing it was Jane you were he second of

572
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: nineteen after Graffiti Bird, Before Graffiti, it was after look

573
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: sexy for Batman. But I'm saying, would he himself do it? Now?

574
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: He said he sent he had he had another attorney

575
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: who sent ledgers. He had already cooked up the deal

576
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: with Albert made Nolie to be as manager. They had

577
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: hatched this plan. Magnoli introduced him to a new lawyer,

578
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: who then issued the seas and his sisters or whatever

579
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: you want to call him, the notifications that I'm breaking

580
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: away from you guys. I'm only asking because all right,

581
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: I've maybe the last two years, I've had to fire

582
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: six people from my camp, and that's one of the

583
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: most painstaking, especially when you're like super close to them.

584
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: This week alone, last Saturday, I had to fire someone

585
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: that's worked for me for like ten years. And it

586
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: was like it was like asking for a divorce. I

587
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: always wanted to know, like literally, like is he going around?

588
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: Asked of advice, like how do you let someone go?

589
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: How do you because he first of all, he didn't

590
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: personally do it. Oh that's easy. I thought you had

591
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: to do it yourself. Like no, he was a pump

592
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: like that, wait should you? If you were all right?

593
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: So he had me fire people. I was gonna say,

594
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: you've I'm sure you've had to fire many a person,

595
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: not many, but yeah, right sure, But is there what's

596
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: the proper way to do so? Because the thing is

597
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: you're such you're such a paternal It really litherly figure.

598
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: It depends on who it is and what the relationship is.

599
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: It really does. Um. We had a road manager on

600
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: a tour and I'm not going to say which one,

601
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: who was out from the beginning of the tour and

602
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: he was going to be the road manager of my

603
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: tour manager. Can you say the tour or that would

604
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: give it away? That gives it away? Yeah, and just

605
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: as soon poor guys no longer Whether he since passed away,

606
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: but he was totally qualified, had worked on other major tours,

607
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: was a good guy, but for one reason or another,

608
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: Prince Chick didn't like him, dropped the dime on and

609
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: Prince didn't like him. The band loved him, and we

610
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: were about two or three weeks into the tour if that,

611
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: and Prince called me to his dressing room before show

612
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: Who and he said, don't want you to fire us

613
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: on so And I actually sucked it up and tried

614
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: to make up a case because I felt it was

615
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: totally unfair. That was he just playing for whatever stupid reason,

616
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: just didn't like him. The guy hadn't done anything wrong.

617
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: It was perfectly qualified. It was gonna give me personally

618
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: a headache because now I had to replace him in

619
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: the middle of a tour. I was gonna say, how

620
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: do you find a b person? You know? Um, well,

621
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: we did you do. I mean, it's part of having

622
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: something filed away in the back of your head just

623
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: in case. But the long june of it is is

624
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: I had to go to this guy and you basically

625
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: didn't speak to me for two years, and and he

626
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: actually and if he knew that you weren't the person

627
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: that pulled the trigger, or you're not allowed to say,

628
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: look I love you, but dog no, that's exactly what

629
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: I said that you gotta know this isn't coming from you.

630
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: The band and they adore you, but there's a problem

631
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: with the boss and he wants somebody else, and I

632
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: worked for him, and I don't have his choice. And

633
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: it was really really uncomfortable because I cared about Scott.

634
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: It was it was unfair, okay, but he was the

635
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: gold makes the girls, and I mean, deep down the

636
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: guy understood, he got it. But from that point one

637
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: and he actually ended up opening a business in l A.

638
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: And Um I would occasionally drop by his business and

639
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: it was always awkward, and he was close to Gwen.

640
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean it was really awkward. Um. On the other hand,

641
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: on the Purple Rain tour, Princess business manager found a

642
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: tour accountant that he assigned to the tour. And this

643
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: guy came on the road and he too had worked

644
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: on other tours. He had a resume. None of us

645
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: knew him, but you know, it's gonna be the zour

646
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: accountant and that's fine. You know, the business manager who

647
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: we all knew and not a close relationship, was trusted him,

648
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: so no reason not to trust him. So this was

649
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: Purple Rain. We played Detroit. We ended up in Greensboro,

650
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: which I think was the second stop, and Big Chick

651
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: comes to me and he says, hey, buddy, what do

652
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: you know about this accountant. Dude, nothing, I guess he's okay.

653
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: He said, Well, he was chatting with being talking about

654
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: he thinks you're overpaid, and he was talking about that

655
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: that they could get a good tour manager for less

656
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: money and this one and he didn't like Bill Reeves.

657
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: He thought he was overpaid and some of the bands

658
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: was overpaid, and he was just I said, chick, you

659
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: just don't like him. You're dropping a dime on him

660
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: by saying this, or you sirid he actually is just

661
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: discussing people's salaries with you. And he says, no, I mean,

662
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't really have a horse in this race. But

663
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: the guy ain't cool. Um m hmm. I called the

664
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: business manager in l A and I said, I need

665
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: somebody else. We were going to Philly Thanksgiving, yep, and

666
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: we we actually where did we go first? I think

667
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: we went to d C next, because we we we

668
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: we busted from DC to Philly. I'll never forget. We

669
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: busted as as opposed to find. And I called the

670
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: business manager from d C and said, I want this

671
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: guy out of here. He said, what happened? Did you verify?

672
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Did you verify? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I went to

673
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: me denied it. But because my first thought was all right,

674
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: it's chicken agitator and he could be. But I went

675
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: to the guy and talked to him, and who was

676
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: obvious that he his whole attitude. He's like, well, you know,

677
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that, you know, you need to

678
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: streamline this, and you know, all I'm doing is trying

679
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: to protect the artist. And I'm like, okay, you're the

680
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: one guy in this whole crew. The artist doesn't even

681
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: know right and this is my house. And if you

682
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: want to streamline something because you think it's the right

683
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: thing to do, then you should have come to me

684
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: at the bodyguard and I'll have that conversation with you

685
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: because I'd appreciate it if you can help us make

686
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: more money. But don't be coming in my house behind

687
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: my back. He's like, okay, I'm sorry, pop up. I

688
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: call the business manager and said I don't want to

689
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: see him after tomorrow. He rode the bus with us

690
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: to d C to Philly. We got to the hotel

691
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: in Philly and there was a message waiting for him

692
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: to get on the first plane out the next morning.

693
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Everybody said what time did he come? M hm. So

694
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: it totally to pay ends. It just totally depends. And

695
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: the first lesson is don't hire your friends, son, you

696
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: out now starting fire people. That's the key. Let me

697
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: just mark this off. Do not ask for a raise

698
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: because because I have I have had a situation um

699
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: in the last ten years where I hired a friend

700
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: who was qualified but for whatever reason, didn't satisfy the

701
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: situation and or the artist, and I hesitated to fire him,

702
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: and I should have. If it had been anybody else,

703
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: I would have replaced him right um, And I didn't

704
00:43:51,400 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: because I pumped out next subject before we wrapped up.

705
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: I've heard quasi heard step Gordon's version of this, only

706
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: because he's owner of Carlos and Charlie's. And we've had

707
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Huey Lewis on the show, and we're just discovering that

708
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: Huey Lewis saying what was supposed to be Princess parts

709
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: on We Are the World? Can you I've never asked

710
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: you this question? What the hell actually happened the night

711
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: of American Music Awards and why? How did you get

712
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: the word that there was a song called we Are

713
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: the World? And he's expected to participate, Like I assume

714
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 1: that the call would have came to you first, Okay, okay,

715
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: not to you? Yeah, I mean I was involved into

716
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: conversations and farnly pitched it to him. So do what

717
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: Quincy's doing. He's reached out. He really wants you on this.

718
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: Here's who everybody else is gonna be there in prison. No,

719
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: he was just not interested. It's just I'm not gonna

720
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: be like everybody else. But he did contribute a song

721
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: ultimately to that, and and he offered to do that

722
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: at the beginning. He's like, I'll give my song for

723
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: the album, but I'm just not that guy. I don't

724
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: do group things that I don't have everything controlled over. Yeah, okay,

725
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: you know that's understandable. Okay, but but but that night

726
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: at Carlos and Charley's, like what happened that? What what

727
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: happened is is we tried to convince him like, okay,

728
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: you're not going to do that, but understand something, this

729
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: recording session is bigger than the ords show. This is

730
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: like the biggest thing of the year because everybody's there,

731
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: and by you not doing it, you can't go out clubbing.

732
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: That was the actual concern of you guys back then.

733
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: It was a huge consitent This could be a pr disaster,

734
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: Like why are you not singing for starving children? Yeah? Exactly,

735
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: you I would think, like now just been like Rianna

736
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: didn't make it. Well maybe now, but but there wasn't

737
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: No Prince couldn't make it because um Quincy was pissed.

738
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: He's like, who does he think The reaction was from him?

739
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: Midtalanto Routie was, who does he think he is? Michael's here?

740
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: Diana Ross is here, fucking Ray Charles is here? Is here? Okay?

741
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: Left right? And the Canadian, the Canadian who was part

742
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: of USA for Africa. Um, but no, it was a

743
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: serious concern. So they just literally thought that he would

744
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: jump at this opportunity. I suppose. I mean, you know,

745
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: who does he think he is? Park here? He goes

746
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: at the door? Everybody else who's famously private and diva ish,

747
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: no more than Donna Ross, right, Michael was no joke.

748
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: So I mean, if they can do it, why can't

749
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: he do it? Not to mention the fact that it's

750
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: a cause he should be associated with. So I still

751
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: think decision. I'm not saying it wasn't. But the issue

752
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: wasn't whether he did it. It was to Quincy because

753
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: he took it personally, because that's just how exactly. But

754
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: the issue was don't go out drinking in clubs when

755
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: everybody else is doing that. Because the media was out there,

756
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this was a big event and everybody at

757
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: the Oars was talking about it. See at the studio.

758
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: You know, this was huge. It's never been a an

759
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: assemblage of the Empany people to make one record on

760
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: on that level. It was crazy. It was unamagine somebody said,

761
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna have all of those people in a recording

762
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: studio at the same time, You'd be like, what, I

763
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: don't think so, so we begged him and we had

764
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: a plan. We were staying at the Westwood Markuee out

765
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: in Westwood. Yeah, it was kind of one of the

766
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: hot hotels at that point, and it was also off

767
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: the beaten path because it was all the way west.

768
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: And we went back to the hotel to celebrate and

769
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: we got Bobby, and Vickie was there and Gwen was there,

770
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: and we all went up to his suite and hung

771
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: out and I said, Okay, none of us are going

772
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: to paid early tonight. We're gonna hang out with him

773
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: because we gotta keep him in the hotel. So we

774
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: got to create your was absolutely a plan. Is that

775
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: a party with six people? Well there were more, the

776
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: whole band was there, a few other people, and you know,

777
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: but it was basically in the house. Because that's not

778
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: really like socialized. It doesn't let any nobody come hang

779
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: in the hotel suite. But the whole point was just,

780
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's keep the talk going. It was

781
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: a great night. We won awards, and to celebrate, and

782
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: let's toast and even have a couple of extra drinks

783
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: or maybe he'll fall asleep because he wasn't a drinker.

784
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: He was like, he'd have two drinks in Carloston Charlie's

785
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: and be sitting on the floor gagling literally literally, Um

786
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: yeah when it come to drinking. Absolutely so that that

787
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: was the whole plan. And I guess it got to

788
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: be about one o'clock, maybe one three. I can't tell

789
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: you exactly what time. And um, we finally figured okay,

790
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: and it was a piano in his sweet and he

791
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: was playing, and you know, it was, you know, big

792
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: party the in house, all of us celebrating because it

793
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: has been a great night. And um, so finally figured

794
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: it was safe and I was exhausted, so Gwen and

795
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: I went to our room and the little party broke up,

796
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking mission accomplished. It's all good. About three

797
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, the phone rings in my room

798
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: and it's chick buddy. We got a problem. That's how

799
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: it always starts. How many times wait, wait with pause?

800
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: How many times have you gotten a call from Chick

801
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: where it's buddy, we got a problem. Knock that often.

802
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: We didn't have a lot of problems. But so you

803
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: already were bracing yourself. No, I thought we were cool.

804
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: I thought mission accomplished. Said he's had a couple of drinks,

805
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: he's getting sleepy, he's you know, he had his his

806
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: fun was his with his posse, and we gave him

807
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: all the props he needed to feel important. Didn't feel

808
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: good about the night, you know, and he was already

809
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: talking about the song he was gonna do for the album.

810
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: It's Steve reminded us of So I'm thinking we're good. Well,

811
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: not only did he called Chick to go out after

812
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: we all disappeared, and they also had I think Wally

813
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: was with him, Wally Stafford and another bodyguard named Larry,

814
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: and they went to Carlos and Charlotte's, and some paparazzi

815
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: mobbed the car and they got into a pushing. I

816
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: guess they tried to stick the camera in the window

817
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: of the car window or something. And and at any rate,

818
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: there was a spat and the photographer said that he

819
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: had been attacked, and um um, I guess Larry the

820
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: bodyguard who was like twice your size. I mean, the

821
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: guy was freaking huge. He's like he was like Tyson

822
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: Fury huge. And um, I guess he did push him

823
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: or shove him or smack him or something. I don't

824
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: know what he did. At any rate, the police locked

825
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: up Larry. So it wasn't just about Princes having this

826
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: issue that is now going to be in the press.

827
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: But you also had our bodyguard dudes on tour with

828
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: us in jail, so I had to deal with that

829
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: how to get him out? And sure enough USA today

830
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of the papers that they're talking about

831
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: prints attacking and photographer at Carlos and Charley's, while the

832
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: whole record industry is doing, We're in the world and

833
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: it's exactly what happened. So do you think it was

834
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: ego that made him not want to participate in that,

835
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: or like he's notorious for not letting people watch him

836
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: record his vocals. Do you think that might have been

837
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: played a part of it. I never thought that that

838
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: might have been part of it. But he wasn't going

839
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: to be doing really lead vocals. So I don't think

840
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: that was that big of an issue. It's like he

841
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: never never wanted to be part of anything that that

842
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: he didn't have control over. I mean, if you if

843
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: you think of all the other people's records that he

844
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: appeared on, they were almost was tracks he produced or

845
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: head input or head control. He just the same goes

846
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: with you're gonna play like this, Yeah, but then you

847
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: guys mix him like so you can't hear him? So

848
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: is he even really there? Yes, he's there that you

849
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: know what now that HUEI So Huie reveals that, um,

850
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know Chef Carloson Charley. Yeah, so he has

851
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: a story like he he has a Eddie Murphy. Yeah,

852
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: he chef was part owner of Carlson Charles. He tells

853
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: the story of Eddie Murphy getting into a tussle with

854
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: a fan the night before his first day of shooting

855
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills cop and so Eddie actually has to go

856
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: to the Beverly Hills jail and it took method acting

857
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: and it took I guess the president of Paramount had

858
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: to call up Sheep to see if chef could pull strings.

859
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: Chef had like pulled with the Beverly opd back then

860
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: or whatever, and said, look, this guy has to be

861
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: on set tomorrow at five am. Yeada YadA woo, and

862
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: took a lot of easing into that. But Sheep also remembers,

863
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: uh that night, that's how I knew that he owned

864
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: was part owner Carlos and Charlie. The thing is is

865
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: that when Huey lewis Revelle, so there's a point when

866
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: you's like telling what the experiences like. And I think

867
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: at the last minute they realized, ship, we don't know

868
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: everbody's singing Prince's part. And just at the last minute,

869
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: Quincy looking from the huie, you sing it. And then

870
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: I realized, oh, Michael Jackson, you slide devil like you

871
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: purposely set up this, this this game of horse once

872
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: again for Prince to follow you. And it's done in

873
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: a key. Prince rarely sings in in uh e minor.

874
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: It's it's it's too high for him to sing, it's

875
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: too low for like he rarely sings. It was shokodels

876
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: in e minor like I can count like and and

877
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: Dorothy Parker he changed the speed of his voice on

878
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: that song too, exactly That's what I'm saying is done

879
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: in that. And you know, Dorothy Parker is more him

880
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: going all over the place but not sticking in that key.

881
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine him singing. I've never heard him

882
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: singing a song. So when I realized that, I was like,

883
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: oh damn, Michael Jackson set him up again. Oh wait,

884
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to end it on a bad prince.

885
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: All right, that's enough, no, okay for you. Purple Rain

886
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: was the most historical, and yeah, I mean it's as

887
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: a tour, it had to be. I mean, what James Brown,

888
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: We didn't tour. We worked. It's so there were certain

889
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: gigs that were more significant than others. But but it's

890
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to isolate a tour because we just

891
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: worked all the time out of the year exactly. Okay,

892
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: So my last question is what do you think you

893
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: have a top three? Damn, this show is good moment

894
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: and I know that most of the time your backstage,

895
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, handling business, preparing for Like do you have

896
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: you ever watched any of your clients shows from beginning

897
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: to end from the front of the house occasion, sure,

898
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: just for nothing to do or just just to make

899
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: sure that nothing goes wrong, like are you looking at

900
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: the lights of and or are you just They're like, okay,

901
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: I trust that for the next hour and a half,

902
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: the world's not gonna come to an end and blah

903
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: blah blah. Has this backstage? Or there was a James

904
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: Brown show at the at the Old Spectrum in Philly

905
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: and the Cells were on the show right and the

906
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: Dells were red hot at the time, and they killed

907
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: and James was backstage. I tell the story in the book.

908
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: He was backstage pacing, going berserk. He told Danny Ray

909
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: to go out there and pull him off stage. They're

910
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: staying on too long. They had they had the crowd

911
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: in the poplar hands. Now they're blown it because they didn't.

912
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: They're not professionals. They don't know when to come off.

913
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: And it was all because they were killing. The place

914
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: was going to preserve m hmm. And wait, was there

915
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: stage though that good? Or is this the Hits or

916
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: just Marvin Jr. Was just God of singing. They could sing.

917
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: The Dells were no joke. I mean, they had the

918
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: typical choreography and they were good at it. But but

919
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: and a couple of more decent looking guys. But I

920
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: mean they weren't the Temptations, but goddamn they could sing Marvin. Yeah,

921
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: neither was Johnny cart exactly. And their harmonies, they their

922
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: group harmonies tended to be a little more sophisticated than

923
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: the average duop group. Right. Um and they and they

924
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: had they had a string of great sun Stepney before

925
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: he did their biggest hits. Um, and they were killing.

926
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: This was right at the peak of their their thing.

927
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: James was going crazy. I've never seen him like that,

928
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: and it really was remarkable to me because I had

929
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: never seen him actually show any nerves like that. And

930
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: I mean he was dressed and pacing and smoking a cigarette,

931
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: which you never did until he would he would smoke.

932
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: He didn't smoke, but he would smoke a cigarette as

933
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: he walked to this age and then hand it to

934
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: somebody as he walked onto the stage. And I guess

935
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: it had something to do with his voice, and he

936
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: believed it did something for his voice that raps came from.

937
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: Unless it was just a nervous happened or is this

938
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, This is seventy or seventy one, I can't remember.

939
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: This is super prime James yeah. Oh yeah, that guy

940
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: was good. Yeah. I think he meant mustache. No no, no, no,

941
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: no no no, no, no no no, this was this

942
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: was no facial hair James. This was a James. And

943
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: this is nineteen seventy. My parents are at this show

944
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: because my mom said that my first kicks were at

945
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: a Dell's concert. Anyway, Okay, so you were there, Yeah,

946
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: suffice it to say, if you remember the Spectrum, the

947
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: stage was in the round, in the middle of the arena,

948
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: and it actually revolved through it slowly revolved. So the

949
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: idea was that every seat would get a front review

950
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: at some point. Spectrum or Valley Forge Music Fair, Spectrum, yeah,

951
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: they have one, not the only place that had it.

952
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, long story short places soldier. It's packed,

953
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: it's really big show. And he comes out and in

954
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: order to get to the stage because it's in the

955
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: middle of the green and you got to create a

956
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: space to get from the locker rooms across to the stage,

957
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: and of course as security, and you create a human

958
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: fence with security and so on and so on, and

959
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: and I mean he got mopped. I mean they were

960
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: people were diving over the security just to tear at him.

961
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: He got to the stage, his jacket was already torn.

962
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: I mean literally he hit the stage with it was

963
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: kind of a shirt jacket and it was like a

964
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: jumpsuit type town or seventies and and it was torn.

965
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: And he looked a little bit disheveled because he going

966
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: through this. And it was probably the most intense show

967
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: I've ever seen him too before since. I mean, it

968
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: was just absolutely on fire and memorably so. And who

969
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: was the band probably so it was it was boosting

970
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: them and I can't remember if they don't have any um,

971
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: but I mean, he was just amazing. He was just

972
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: just just the Bambo was tight. Clyde was there. He

973
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: had come back, so we had Clyde and Jabbo both

974
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: on stage. I can't remember if Pinkney was back yet,

975
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: probably because he was he had come back. But it

976
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: was just and in the place, and of course a

977
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with the audience was amped.

978
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: It was just people weren't preserved um. So that's memorable.

979
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: But quite honestly, and Princeman Annex will hate me for this.

980
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: The most musically gratifying shows I've been part of since

981
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:13,479
Speaker 1: my James Brown years. Thank you very much, Dalter, don't

982
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: do that. Don't do that. That's not true. That's not

983
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: good man. Yeah, seriously, dude, but no question. Our show

984
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: was just by the transitive accium. This show was a parade. Parade.

985
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: Now do you see how he says our show? He

986
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: doesn't realize I could be talking about the more recent

987
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: shows with Chris. Are you telling me good ones? Good one? No? Seriously,

988
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: I played agree with you. I played tapes of those shows.

989
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: Like their new records, they're in steady constant rotation in

990
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: my house. We're never gonna get that live album? Are

991
01:02:54,280 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: we that voodoo live albums? No, we aren't. That silence there,

992
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: there were some coded words there. It's always a possibility, never,

993
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: never say never. That's the That's the one moment in

994
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: my life where I felt I was living history in

995
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: real time, like something historical. And it wasn't that because

996
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't because like that was my first taste of

997
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: something major, you know, because by that point, like we

998
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,959
Speaker 1: had just broken through the other side as the roots

999
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: and you know, like just slowly started to creep to

1000
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: a satisfactory level of celebrity whatever. But um, you know,

1001
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: for me, nothing will ever beat that Minneapolis show and

1002
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: got Prince Fans will kill me. It was just it starts.

1003
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: See the Minneapolis show starts with we. We were summoned

1004
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: to the park at one m. At one M. Well,

1005
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: are you talking about that experience? Are you're talking about

1006
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: the actual gig? No? No, no no, But that experience

1007
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: leads to the gig. And you know, it was a

1008
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: really weird night with him. I've had great nights wood prints,

1009
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: I've had weird nights wood prints. We had nights wood prints.

1010
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: But it's like we we were there for three hours,

1011
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: and to me, the highlight of the whole night. Now,

1012
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: we played with him for an hour. We sat in

1013
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: the studio with him for an hour, listen to music

1014
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: for an hour, And to me, the best part of

1015
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: the whole night was the forty five minutes we took

1016
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: out to watch an HBO special by a comedian named

1017
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle that was on rotation in his nightclub. You know,

1018
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: this guy is really funny, you said, And we sat

1019
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: and watched it. He had Dave on that one on

1020
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: the Beach one special, which one the Love for One

1021
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: Enough other special. Yeah, Dave comes out like in the

1022
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: middle of it and does like a five minutes see

1023
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: or something like that. I was disinvited from that, remember,

1024
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: were then I became disinvited. Even Richie the driver, who's

1025
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: the driver, Robbie the driver like couldn't drive us in

1026
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: the gates because he had been banned from Like we

1027
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: had to walk through the snow to get there, not

1028
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: the snow, like I just remember he could. It was

1029
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: the summertime, right or honestly, no, I started the show

1030
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: started in March. Yeah, it was summertimes or early fall. Yeah,

1031
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: but I just remember that Robbie was like, I'm not

1032
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: allowed to drive through, so you guys to walk through. Yeah,

1033
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: that's weird. And that's where the night got weird. But

1034
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: he had worked for him for years, right, old person assistant,

1035
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: you know we know. So wait, don't we saw that, Robbie?

1036
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah we do? Yeah? Yeah. And that was August of

1037
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: two damn. What the internet is amazing? Damn? And this

1038
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: the show I saw? It was two days after that.

1039
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: What did you see Indiana the expo? No, I'm you're anyway?

1040
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: So uh we left is that there must be a

1041
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: Perkins restaurant or some sort of pancake house that's near

1042
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: there and Robbie took us to it, and me and

1043
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: d were our first words was like, yo, man, I

1044
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: feel like we didn't know how to feel because the

1045
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: night was just weird, Like he was talking weird. What

1046
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: didn't you call me? And I don't remember who? And

1047
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: you said, We've been quiet in the car all the

1048
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: way and I feel like I need a bath. Yeah,

1049
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,959
Speaker 1: I said, never forget it. It was such a weird

1050
01:06:55,120 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: violation because I'd never experienced. You know, now, I'm very

1051
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: careful about like, oh, don't meet your idols, they might

1052
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: disappoint you. But that was such an ambush that we

1053
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: weren't ready for. And we sat there for like three minutes.

1054
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, like wait, was he trying to

1055
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: diss us or what do you what do you think?

1056
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: That's what? Like? We just sat there like not knowing

1057
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: what happened to us. It was like some aliens side

1058
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: in your heads. He he didn't get in our heads?

1059
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, you just said he did? Basically, it

1060
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: wasn't he. I was disappointed he tried to get in

1061
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: our heads because you know, I mean, no no secret.

1062
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: I know he was like, you know, dude, watch out

1063
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: for like you whatever, and yeah, all that stuff label,

1064
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: but I bootlegged old stuff that's out there, and so

1065
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: we said, I don't know. The next day, like you know,

1066
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: we we went to our rooms next day, and then

1067
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: backstage I was he was like, how do you feel, man,

1068
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I was just like, yo, man,

1069
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: let's just let's do it. Because the thing was we

1070
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: wanted to know was he gonna come to this and

1071
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: he had conveniently Well, we should also preface that John

1072
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: Breen didn't help at all with this one. Like John

1073
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 1: Breen probably wrote the most scathing Prince taunt, and I

1074
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: felt like he thought he was doing something good but

1075
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: like trying to provoke Prince into or no, just to

1076
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: return to his yeah, that sort of thing. So he

1077
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: wrote this whole he wrote yeah, but he wrote this

1078
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: whole thing about like you know, like a new Kings

1079
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: in town. And I read the article and I was like, oh,

1080
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: this is so over the top, Like John, you're not helping,

1081
01:08:55,240 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: You're making people hate us. And I don't know. It's

1082
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: just when we performed, when he performed Devil's Pie, he

1083
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: brought that halle Berry energy and by the time we

1084
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: got to we asked your brother to uh Solong lady,

1085
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: and it was just like I felt we were on fire,

1086
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: like I thought we were going to levitate, and the

1087
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: audience was dead, and I was nervous about all that,

1088
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: like we're in his town and we know his spies

1089
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: are here and whatnot. I don't even believe that he

1090
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: went to Egypt that day. I just think he just

1091
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: told us that, just know he knew enough to know

1092
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 1: you were gonna kill and he didn't want to be

1093
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: man I was. You know, it's it's that's that's the

1094
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: side of him. God rest assult just as so annoying

1095
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: and not necessary. It's it's just like an a really

1096
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: brief comparison. Talk about this in the book too um

1097
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: for him to talk to you and d And I

1098
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: remember D told me because John had also done a

1099
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: story about me becoming Deed's part manager co manager and

1100
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's small media towns and that's a big deal.

1101
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: And Prince sent the Deeds all only it's your manager,

1102
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of like what's wrong with two?

1103
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, didn't you think that he would

1104
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: be proud that somebody who learned the business a great

1105
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: part of the business through him with him goes on

1106
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: and their career grows the same way that he hires

1107
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: you because you And this is the comparison when Purple

1108
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: Rain Blue Up, James Brown did an interview with MTV

1109
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and one of the questions they asked

1110
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: him was, how do you feel about the fact that

1111
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: you're playing clubs and you've got Michael Jackson and particularly

1112
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: Prince who are selling out to reading us all over

1113
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: the world and they're basically this generation's version of you.

1114
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: And Brown says, well, there's a lot of my people

1115
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: over there in Princess Camp, you know, namely Alan Leads.

1116
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, thank you, godfather, you know. But

1117
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: now that was also him trying to take credit for

1118
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: you know. It's like, well, that's because I let him

1119
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: have my people. But but he was the next time

1120
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: I saw I might tease him about that, and he

1121
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: was like proud. I mean, he was like, you know,

1122
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: when I hired your kids, I knew you were going

1123
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: places and you gotta be careful now you you're in

1124
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: a fast track now. And he gave me fatherly advice.

1125
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: But he was actually proud that somebody who was a

1126
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: novice under him had worked his way at to the

1127
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: point where he was on the biggest freaking tour in

1128
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: the decade, and you know that ain't gonna be Prince.

1129
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: And it was just unnecessary because Prince and I never

1130
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: really fell out. He called me, you know, usually when

1131
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: he's through with somebody's through, but he called me back

1132
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: to set up a Japanese tour for him in the nineties.

1133
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,759
Speaker 1: He needed somebody to deal with the promoters. I didn't

1134
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: go on the tour, but at that particular time, he

1135
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: didn't have a tour worthy staff of of of back

1136
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: line people, and he said, I need you to find

1137
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 1: me a production manager and I needs you to negotiate

1138
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: the deal with Hudo, the promoter in Japan. I owed

1139
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: him some dates, but I just need you to set

1140
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: up the crew and do some of the do the

1141
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 1: tour managers stuff. But you don't need to go on

1142
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: the tour. Just hire somebody to go. And he's like,

1143
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, it can't be like it used to be.

1144
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: You can't be calling me all the time. We're not

1145
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: going to hang out. But I'll pay you well and

1146
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: just do what you do. You know. I'm like, okay, cool,

1147
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: you know that's good for me, right, And then a

1148
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: couple of years later, he called me. Didn't ask me

1149
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: to do the liner notes for the Hits package UM,

1150
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: which was the first ever collection of his records outside

1151
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: of sequenced albums and UM, and he said, and I

1152
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 1: said okay, but he said, well there's certain things I

1153
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: once said, and I said, okay, so let me interview you.

1154
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: And he said, great, let's do that. And of course

1155
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: he had bright of approval or the finished products. You

1156
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: you interally said on the phone, and most of what's

1157
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: in those liner notes, all the little tidbits about each

1158
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: song came from him. You recorded this, damn it Allen,

1159
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: because you know, I was glad man. It was all impromptu.

1160
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: If we had set it up in advance, I would

1161
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: if you don't men the famous phone stuff. But no,

1162
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: it was just like we're talking about and he says, well,

1163
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: just interview me, come on, do it now, and I'm like, well,

1164
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: tell me once telling you you know something, And with

1165
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: no preparation, we just just and you telling me stuff.

1166
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: So it's you know, there was some respect there and

1167
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: we were cool. And occasionally I run into him on

1168
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: the road. I dropped in and released party once what

1169
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: used to be the Village Gate that it was life

1170
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: for a minute, and so on. And you were there

1171
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: that night. We were there with Chris ship I didn't

1172
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: know you. That was I didn't know you. That's right,

1173
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: that's the night I first met him and I was

1174
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: not then listened and there was a problem getting it

1175
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: and Chris, Chris said it me, you got a let

1176
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: him in and just pulled one of those things and

1177
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: Prince gave me a huge hug and we talked for

1178
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: a few minutes. You know, um, and you know so,

1179
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's I don't get it. I just don't

1180
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: get it, and us don't know the out of me,

1181
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: because that means that you did some beef. That means

1182
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: you did something right. Like if you weren't a threat,

1183
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: there's an artist now, that's that's that's it. That's it.

1184
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: And and and you gotta understand when we came through

1185
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: with Voodoo, and particularly in light of the video and

1186
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 1: how everybody was obsessing over the video, which became MTVS

1187
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: Video of the Year. Yes, I'm sorry, and you know

1188
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: that that was a threat to him. He didn't know

1189
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: how far this was going to go. There was a

1190
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: threat because this is this is a kind of commotion

1191
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: that he got when he broke out exactly the same

1192
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: kind of commotion. It's like, here's this sex symbol, this

1193
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: this crazy guy that girls are going reserk over. And

1194
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: he wears you know, tights and crazy clothes that men

1195
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: don't wear. And the song was obviously influenced by well

1196
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: what wasn't Yeah, you know, but I mean that one

1197
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: was almost like a rewriter. She's just a baby. Let's

1198
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 1: be honest. We didn't know that then, really, I'll be honest,

1199
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: we didn't know that. We didn't know that. Then maybe

1200
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: it's a deep too. I mean I I didn't know

1201
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: who cares? No, they didn't, who cares? You know? It worked? Um,

1202
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: so I think he really did. And that's that's why

1203
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: the that's why the weird news that night. So, uh,

1204
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: your third one, Black Massariah tours over anything. We're prints. Yeah,

1205
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: that's just about personal where my spott is musically, Um okay,

1206
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: it's it's about the churchiness. It's about the fact that

1207
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: he had amazing bands that had more freedom to play

1208
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: than princess bands did. Princess bands were always scripted. It's

1209
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: not they weren't good bands. It's not that they couldn't play.

1210
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: Eight but everything he did was scripted. Mhm. It feels

1211
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: like D was going for more the after show Vive

1212
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: m hmm. Yeah, but even that I don't think gives

1213
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 1: a credit because there's a there's a jazz mentality that

1214
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 1: goes with um. The Voodoo Tour was a little more

1215
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: scripted than the stuff that we did later, because the

1216
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: stuff we did after Black Massiah was a little looser.

1217
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 1: And actually we would change sett lists from night to

1218
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: night for a bit, and and and he he didn't

1219
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: have the same relationship with Chris Dave that he had

1220
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: with you. So as a result, Chris would go rogue

1221
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: occasionally and it might drive d crazy. And then there

1222
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: were nights where d would be like, yo, I love

1223
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: that ship. That's dope, And the next night Chris would

1224
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: do something crazy and he would be like, man, would

1225
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: you tell him to just keep time not need a mirror?

1226
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: You know? It was that kind of thing Yang and Yang.

1227
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: But at some music head, I'm loving this ship because

1228
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there watching him and Pinot every night, and

1229
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: it's like every night they surprised me with something, so

1230
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like pretending it's jazz and I'm not even

1231
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: listening to everybody else, I'm just listening to the rhythm section,

1232
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: and Sharky is like amazing. Um, you know. So, so

1233
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 1: here's an artist who has had two landmark bands now

1234
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: overall Soultronic. It's that's the band of the the era.

1235
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: That's no, there won't be a better better for lack

1236
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: of a better way of putting its soul band. Um,

1237
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: probably in our lifetime. Um the Roots and his next

1238
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: band are probably next. And it's a lot of the

1239
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: same people. So duh. But that's what Matt see. What

1240
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: got me into James Brown wasn't just James Brown? Who

1241
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: was the band love music and and And I'm the

1242
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: person who listens to her record And it doesn't even

1243
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: hear the singing until I hear the track. And if

1244
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: the track doesn't move me, I don't care what the

1245
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: singing is. And I don't care if I like the

1246
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: singer or not. If the track is smoking, I like

1247
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: the record, And forget lyrics. I don't even know what

1248
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 1: lyrics are. The lyrics always come last for me too. Um,

1249
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: sometimes they may even come at all to because I

1250
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: don't even care unless they're unusually profound. I mean, you

1251
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Sometimes I find out the lyrics

1252
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, maybe I should just continue

1253
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: ignoring them, right, all right, So when is your next

1254
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: book coming out? I gotta figure out what it is first,

1255
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: And I had a couple of ideas, have actually started

1256
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: on one, but I'm I don't know. It's it's it's

1257
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: like I'm the angel loads I think I want to

1258
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: do the most is not the most commercially viable. So

1259
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: I've got to figure out, like, Okay, the one I

1260
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: want to write, it couldn't actually get published, and is

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Speaker 1: there a chance somebody would publish it? A and B

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Speaker 1: you could sell a few copies? Um, you know, as

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Speaker 1: opposed to everybody says, right, a Prince book, that's the

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Speaker 1: fastballs down in the middle, because there's more of a

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Speaker 1: market and for the kind of things I would write about,

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Speaker 1: it's probably the most marketable idea. But there's so many

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Speaker 1: Prince books. But I will say that, but you you

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Speaker 1: and Gwen's take in wax Poetic, I've read that ten

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Speaker 1: fifteen times at least, Like I think, really, I feel

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Speaker 1: like if there's someone that would give us the definitive

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Speaker 1: oral history of at least the I mean, I'm limited

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Speaker 1: by just saying the Purple Rain Tour or whatever I

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Speaker 1: think all Revolution members which trust you to talk to them,

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Speaker 1: or whatever I feel like you could get and now

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Speaker 1: or maybe ladies and gentlemen, you know the guyfather of

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Speaker 1: all tour management, Quest Love Supreme, the Quiet Edition, We

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Speaker 1: miss you all right and so more with Allen Lee's

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Speaker 1: definitely check out our interview from with him in the archives, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the archives. Yeah, well, thank you. Uh, and uh, hopefully

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Speaker 1: you'll be here for a third round of course. Love

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Speaker 1: Supreme beat Jimmy Jams record. Yes, because I think we're

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Speaker 1: not tied now. Yes, you're so tired with him? All right,

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Speaker 1: I wanna be up of Sugar Steve and Boss Bill

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Speaker 1: and I'm paid Bill and Fonte and lay Brood here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're coming on one day. Uh, this question Love,

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Speaker 1: Thank you all. I appreciate it. And this Supreme Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio see all the next go round. Quest Love Supreme

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. This classic episode was produced

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Speaker 1: behind the team at Pandora. For more podcasts from my

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.