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Speaker 4: Good morning, everyone, Welcome to Breaking Points. We have some

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Speaker 4: breaking news actually to get to in just one moment,

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Speaker 4: and it's a heavy news cycle. I mean, Pambondi was

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Speaker 4: fired yesterday as well, so there's a lot for us

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Speaker 4: to get to. Let's start, though, just by welcoming Ryan

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Speaker 4: and Griffin. How you guys doing today?

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Speaker 1: Doing good?

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Speaker 5: I got a giant purge of the military underway, just

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Speaker 5: as there's a search and rescue operation going on in

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Speaker 5: southern Iran, So not great timing for that, but you know,

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Speaker 5: never great timing for a purge.

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Speaker 1: I guess I think we can say we're all flying high.

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Speaker 4: This is my life right now. I'm not even in

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Speaker 4: I'm not even in Cedar rapids. I'm in cedar falls

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Speaker 4: outside of Cedar rapids. So that's that's where I'm coming

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Speaker 4: to everyone from today. And it is it's dreary, but

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Speaker 4: and we were talking speaking of independent journalism just before

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Speaker 4: we went to air. Here you think Jeremy, Jeremy's Khelle

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Speaker 4: here colleague over at drop Site, might have been the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so this morning, an Iranian official told Jeremy that

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Speaker 5: This comes after, you know, within twenty four hours of

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Speaker 5: This is a revieweling jet flying at an extremely low altitude.

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Speaker 5: although we do know for sure that this jet was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you have.

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Speaker 4: What's what's up on the screen is just within the

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Speaker 5: Yep, right, so this is ahead of a potential ground operation.

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Speaker 5: This is not even part of the kind of boots

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is exactly I mean, I don't mean

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Speaker 4: doing a two week bombing run. This is a limited

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Speaker 4: the escalation trap. Again, not in a papien sense, but

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Speaker 4: Stone Age. But exactly historically, the way that these things

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Speaker 5: And Trump himself is out with a new statement on

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Speaker 5: truth social that will do nothing to call him anybody's fears.

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Speaker 5: He says, with a little more time, we can easily

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Speaker 5: open the horror moves straight, take the oil and make

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Speaker 5: a fortune. It would be a gusher for the world.

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Speaker 5: But then question marks, Sorry, it would be a gusher

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Speaker 5: for the world. Question three question marks. Okay, I don't

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Speaker 5: I don't know why the question marks. So, by the

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Speaker 5: way he's posting this and the President Donald G. Trump,

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Speaker 5: he's posting this after he must have been briefed that

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Speaker 4: And it's in the New York Times. He's been briefed.

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Speaker 5: He posted this at eight twenty this morning, since two hours. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: he'd been briefed on this. Uh yeah, when did when

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Speaker 5: did Jeremy post his? Yeah, Jeremy posted his at three.

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Speaker 5: So so Jeremy posts. So Jeremy posts at three o

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Speaker 5: nine am. Let me put this up here, and I

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Speaker 5: so here's so, here's Jeremy's proposed. At three am this

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Speaker 5: morning and from normal working hours, war plane hit by

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Speaker 5: have been found. Five hours later, Trump is tweeting about

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Speaker 5: how we're going to make a fortune. It's going to

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Speaker 4: That's a really good point, Ryan, Like he's just been

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Speaker 5: And they clearly have some intel that they might be

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Speaker 1: The world question mark, Yeah, the world.

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Speaker 4: Well it was a question mark. I guess to be faz.

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Speaker 4: So interesting bylines on the story, Griffin, I'm glad you

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Speaker 4: the Tasha bertrand Jim Shuddo story. And Ryan, you could

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Speaker 4: He worked for the Obama administration. He was, he was

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Speaker 4: According to recent US Intel assessments, three sources familiar with

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Speaker 4: the Intel told CNN quote, they are still very much

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Speaker 4: poised to wreak absolute havoc throughout the entire region end quote.

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Speaker 4: One of the sources set of Iran. And finally, the

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Speaker 4: What did you make of this one, Ryan.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think what we don't seem to

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Speaker 1: And also Trump has released Pam Bondy into the private sector.

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Speaker 1: But first, why don't we start with the hag set Bondi.

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Speaker 4: Bondi is Pambondi. It has been traded ahead of the deadline.

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Speaker 4: what I'm hearing as well. Quote Pam Bondi did almost

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Speaker 1: And then we have you know, Trump here saying a

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Speaker 1: nineteen hundred. Very interesting. We love Pam and she will

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Speaker 5: There was no reason for her to say that she

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Speaker 4: She made this situation two hundred times worse in her

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Speaker 4: prosecutions in the autopen scandal, which we know Trump is

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Speaker 4: obsessed with, and that's kind of a proxy. It's not

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Speaker 4: it's not just about you know, oh, none of the

436
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Speaker 4: autobend people got locked up or there's been no justice.

437
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: It's more saying like, if you can't prosecute the autopen

438
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Speaker 4: stuff with the president, which the president is obsessed with,

439
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Speaker 4: then what aren't you doing that should be going like

440
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Speaker 4: remember when Tulca Gabbard went and was that the I

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Speaker 4: was the new media stef at the seat at this briefing.

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Speaker 4: It just happened that way where she comes up and

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Speaker 4: talks about this investigation, sprawling investigation into Obama and John

444
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Speaker 4: Brennan that the White House and the Justice Department is

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Speaker 4: looking into. Well, conservatives are getting impatient and saying where

446
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Speaker 4: are the actual charges? Like why have no charges been brought?

447
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Speaker 4: So I think that's where Trump probably is personally just

448
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Speaker 4: obsessed with the autopens scandal, the autopen prosecutions, but they're

449
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Speaker 4: looking for more heads to roll.

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Speaker 1: Basically, didn't Trump set her off on James Comy and

451
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Speaker 1: she she sent something off for that. It just was

452
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Speaker 1: like kind of made up, right.

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Speaker 4: Comy, Well, it's a whole that's a such a mess.

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Speaker 4: It was, I don't want to say necessarily thin, but

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Speaker 4: there was a whole thing with the Statute of limitations

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Speaker 4: and it was, if I'm remembering the details correctly, essentially

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Speaker 4: like a perjury charge.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a problem.

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Speaker 4: Maybe also a good example of a prosecution being bungles

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Speaker 4: by Trump's perspective, because that was a hot mess. But

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Speaker 4: I don't know to what extent that was Pam Bondi's fault.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously she's the head of the Justice Department,

463
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Speaker 4: but uh, it just it sounds like, you know, vicious operator.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who's going to fit that Bill. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if it's Lee's Helden. I don't think Lee's

466
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Speaker 4: Elden vicious operator. So we'll see, maybe Matt Gates comes

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Speaker 4: out of retirement.

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Speaker 1: Oh that'd be cool, Ryan, though there are more heads

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Speaker 1: potentially to roll. Trump is not just considering or has

470
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Speaker 1: not just fired Bondi, but it's considering he's firing others.

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Speaker 1: Who else is on this hill list? Well, the Pentagon.

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Speaker 5: Stuff is like it's extremely intense, like the fact that

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Speaker 5: we're doing this, like right in the middle of this war.

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Speaker 5: So so he has pushed out General Randy George, and

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Speaker 5: I'm told this is basically a clash between heg Seth

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Speaker 5: and Driscoll, the Army secretary, and ultimately will kind of

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Speaker 5: evolve into a a heg Seth versus jd Vance clash.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you've heard anything about that, Emily,

479
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Speaker 5: but this weirdly, like I know a lot of people

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Speaker 5: on the left are like worried that this is like

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Speaker 5: Seth like consolidating power and that Trump's going to do

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Speaker 5: some coup or something. It feels like it's actually more

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Speaker 5: related to like heg Seth's hostility to d e I

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Speaker 5: and he's gone after a bunch of other He's he's

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Speaker 5: tried to block a bunch of promotions of women and minorities,

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Speaker 5: and Driscoll has pushed back against him, And this is

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Speaker 5: HEG Seth kind of company firing back around that the

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Speaker 5: Washington Posts reporting, you know, two other army generals remove

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Speaker 5: were removed along with George. They are General David Hodeney,

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Speaker 5: who became the head of the Services Training and Transformation

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Speaker 5: Command in October, and Major General William Green Junior, the

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Speaker 5: chief of Army Chaplains. So it's like, but at what,

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Speaker 5: like what what is this? What is this guy doing here?

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Speaker 1: So Ryan, are you saying the straight of her moves

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Speaker 1: is not open yet because of woke? Is that essentially

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Speaker 1: the administration's here.

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Speaker 4: They've been way too focused on the gaze of horror

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Speaker 4: moves and like this is the problem with the EI

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Speaker 4: is it's all about the gay of hormus and not about.

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Speaker 5: The straight of horrmuves got to focus on the Straits. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and so Hegseth has been trying. It has been consolidating

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Speaker 5: power from the beginning. You know, they've fired a whole

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Speaker 5: ton of people.

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Speaker 1: It looks like.

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Speaker 5: Here's again from the post with George's auster. Hegseth has

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Speaker 5: remade nearly the entire Joint chiefs of Staff.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 5: The only ones remaining from when Hegseth took office just

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Speaker 5: over a year ago are General Eric Smith of the

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Speaker 5: Marine Corps and General Chance Saltzman, head of the Space Force.

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Speaker 5: Everybody else and the joint chiefs of Staff has been

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Speaker 5: has been replaced.

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Speaker 1: Like extremely unusual has there been in this kind of

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Speaker 1: a head change in past wars like with Iraq againnis

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Speaker 1: Dan at the beginning? Was there a big period?

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Speaker 5: Not not in peace time war general like the purges

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Speaker 5: purges are not really a thing in kind of US

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Speaker 5: military history, like.

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Speaker 1: Which by the way, is the Civil War.

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Speaker 5: When Lincolns like pissed off at all generals. We can

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Speaker 5: get saga on here to run through it. But like

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Speaker 5: it's not a thing. Like it's a much more routinize, methodical,

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Speaker 5: hierarchical like orderly system than than even in Trump won.

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Speaker 5: But Trump is clearly bringing Trump energy to the to

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Speaker 5: the Pedagon.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the flip side of it, is that

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Speaker 4: the Pentagon is a bureaucratic not of people who are

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Speaker 4: way too comfortable and probably should be purged. I don't

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Speaker 4: know the It would be very difficult for me to

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Speaker 4: say the particulars of like who should go, who's worthy,

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Speaker 4: and who's unworthy, but that's obviously I think it's very clearly,

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Speaker 4: I think a problem at the Pentagon, and then if

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Speaker 4: you don't come up with a sane solution to the problem,

534
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Speaker 4: you end up getting people who just go and take

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Speaker 4: Leo DiCaprio's blow towards at the end of Once Upon

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Speaker 4: a Time in Hollywood to the entire operation in wartime.

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Speaker 4: So the General Ryan pointed this out as we were

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Speaker 4: opening the show. George is ousted. We don't know the

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Speaker 4: exact timeline yet, but basically, as we have fighter pilots

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Speaker 4: missing or killed in action over Iran, like these things

541
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Speaker 4: are unfolding simultaneously and that's a horrible look, and we're like,

542
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Speaker 4: this is pretty new news. This is like fairly recent development.

543
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Speaker 4: So we'll learn more about what was happening behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: But that's a they have a lot to answer for,

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Speaker 4: probably when it comes to exactly what was happening behind

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Speaker 4: the scenes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think Griffin, you were referring to Trump

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Speaker 5: apparently polling his advices on whether he should fire Tulsea Gabbard.

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Speaker 1: Yest and I or do not invite is as they

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Speaker 1: call her. I believe. Yeah, also, go ahead, Well I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say.

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Speaker 4: They're also apparently, according to Playbook, he's quote express frustrations

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Speaker 4: with Commerce Secretary Howard Lutneck and Labor Secretary Loris shots

554
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Speaker 4: de Rumer Lori shot Is the rumor has been drowning

555
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Speaker 4: in scandals over the last so many months. So that's

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Speaker 4: one that you can eat. That's a head you could

557
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 4: easily see rolling quote. Rumors also continue circling around FBA.

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Speaker 1: I forget. Oh no, there's her husband doing a bunch

559
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Speaker 1: of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, her husband's been kicked out, well her too. It's

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Speaker 4: it's like pretty typical DC type stuff like misuse of

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Speaker 4: public resources, and her husband has a little bit of

563
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Speaker 4: a problem, like they're not even letting him back into

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Speaker 4: the labor building because.

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Speaker 1: People like Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Also apparently Army Secretary Dan Driscoll, So in addition to

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Speaker 4: Tulsi and Pam Bondi and christin Nome. It's it's beginning

568
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Speaker 4: to be Trump one ish and covering Trump one, it

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Speaker 4: was just Jeff Sessions and like it was just this

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Speaker 4: constant switching of personnel, a top key personnel. And that

571
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Speaker 4: was one of the big differences between Trump one and

572
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Speaker 4: Trump two is that he came in with this sort

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Speaker 4: of well considered slate, meaning they had thought long and

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Speaker 4: hard about the strategy of who they were putting where

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Speaker 4: and who could get Senate confirmed and the like. And

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Speaker 4: now a year in, it's starting to feel a little

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Speaker 4: bit much sort of shakier on the palace intrigue front.

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Speaker 4: And that was always seen as like a good A

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Speaker 4: lot of conservatives saw that as like this was Trump

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Speaker 4: two point zero knew and improved.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it looks like Tulsi, you know, is gonna

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Speaker 5: just let herself get fired. It's just so embarrassing. You know,

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Speaker 5: her friend Joe Kent went out on top, like he

584
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Speaker 5: went out with viral post, he did the circuit. And

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Speaker 5: so now they're gunning for Tulsi because they know that

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Speaker 5: she kind of agrees with him, but she doesn't have

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Speaker 5: the stones to just like say it, and I don't what, like,

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Speaker 5: what is she staying for it? It's election to get

589
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Speaker 5: fired then to quit over principle, but okay whatever. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 5: Trump is asking the Congress for one point five trillion

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Speaker 5: dollars for the Pentagon, which and for ship like a doubling.

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Speaker 5: It's a it's like a doubling of the budget over

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Speaker 5: the last couple of years. It included yeah, forty one warships.

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Speaker 1: When when can't get anywhere near Iran? Well, that's to

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Speaker 1: fix the laundry rooms on all the future ships so

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Speaker 1: they don't catch on firerye. And but but the one

597
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Speaker 1: way drone attacks, we're still gonna have issues with that.

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Speaker 1: How many drones could you buy with one point five trillion?

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Speaker 1: You could buy? Yes, all the drones, all the truth,

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Speaker 1: all the drones.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy, like these ships are these ships cost billions

602
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Speaker 5: and they can't even get close to Iran because of

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Speaker 5: these twenty thousand dollars shot had drones And so now

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Speaker 5: we're going to go build a whole bunch more of

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Speaker 5: them inste while cutting spending on healthcare, education, infrastructure like

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Speaker 5: things that the American people need here at home. Like

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Speaker 5: he's he's now consciously and explicitly linking. Like we saw,

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Speaker 5: he's like making campaign ads against himself on a regular basis.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, the social Security thing, or the yeah.

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Speaker 5: We can't do daycare, we can't do all we can't

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Speaker 5: do medicaid, met medicare, we can't do all of these things.

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Speaker 1: We got to do war. Let the states do those,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, they can raise their taxes. States

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Speaker 1: can raise their taxes.

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Speaker 4: I was listening to Zaraba. Mario was on Megan Kelly yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I was listening to it, and he was saying, like,

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Speaker 4: that is this is a great point. He was like,

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Speaker 4: that is the one. One of the hardest red line

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Speaker 4: differences that Trump drew intentionally strategically between himself and the

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Speaker 4: old Republican Party was he said, over and over again,

621
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Speaker 4: because he understood the GOP base better than the GOP politicians,

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Speaker 4: we are not touching your entitlements. He didn't use the

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Speaker 4: word entitlement, but he said, we are not touching this.

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Speaker 4: And we're not going to do stupid wars. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: new stupid wars. We're gonna focus here at home. And

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Speaker 4: when you combine those two things, the politics of it

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Speaker 4: is like to your point, Ryan about Trump posting on

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Speaker 4: true social while he's clearly been briefed on UH two

629
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Speaker 4: fighter pilots missing in action in Iran, Like he's always

630
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Speaker 4: had a screw or twenty loose, but he's there's an

631
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Speaker 4: ungluing happening right now, the great ungluing right.

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Speaker 5: So Donald Trump is trying to destroy the American Empire,

633
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Speaker 5: destroy the fossil fuel industry, and destroy the Republican Party,

634
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Speaker 5: and somehow people are on the left are mad at

635
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Speaker 5: him about that. That's the part I don't understand, Like

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Speaker 5: this is the greatest revolutionary figure the left has ever

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Speaker 5: kind of put into power.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's almost like the Democrat any lessons, The Democrats

639
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Speaker 1: won't have to learn a single lesson they're so excited

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 4: This is this is a vindication of Susan Sarandon who

642
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Speaker 4: went on Chris Hayes and she said something along the

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Speaker 4: lines is like twenty sixteen of She was being challenged

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Speaker 4: on Bernie stuff at the time by Chris Hayes and

645
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Speaker 4: he was like, so are you saying that maybe Trump

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Speaker 4: will be better, you know, for like revolutionary purposes, like

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Speaker 4: and I think she said something to the along lines

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Speaker 4: of like heightening the contradictions, like and he said, you

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Speaker 4: mean that like a she said he might bring the

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Speaker 4: revolution faster.

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Speaker 1: That was the quote.

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Speaker 4: He said, goes, do you mean that in like a

653
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Speaker 4: Leninist way? And she was like yeah, yeah, she's doing it,

654
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Speaker 4: which it was a huge controversy. They tried to cancel her.

655
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, sorry to cut you off, Emily. We

656
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Speaker 1: do have a guest coming in right now, and just

657
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Speaker 1: a flag. This is a long Easter weekend, so we

658
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Speaker 1: probably expect a lot more excursions and events to occur

659
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Speaker 1: over this long weekend because I believe markets are not

660
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Speaker 1: open on Monday, if if I'm correct, so expect quite

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Speaker 1: a lot more action today right there, close today, Oh

662
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Speaker 1: you're right, is because it's good Friday. All right. Well,

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Speaker 1: on that note, we do have a candidate joining us.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we get to her.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're joined now by Fie Phillips' daily candidate for

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Speaker 5: Congress in New York seventeenth district. This is running against

667
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Speaker 5: Mike Lawler and kind of like that that area like

668
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Speaker 5: upstate just north of kind of Manhattan, well, sometimes referred

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Speaker 5: to as a little bedroom community for people up there.

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Speaker 1: Effie, thanks so much for joining us here.

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Speaker 6: Thanks so much for having me excited.

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Speaker 5: Beyond, of course, we wanted to start with a little

673
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Speaker 5: bit of the kind of Hassan mania that is kind

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Speaker 5: of gripping CNN and the Democratic establishment. Although I repeat myself, Griffin,

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Speaker 5: do you have do you have this latest latest clip

676
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Speaker 5: from Jake Tapper where they they kind of allow their

677
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Speaker 5: kind of mental illness to be on kind of full

678
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Speaker 5: display this when it comes to their kind of Hassan

679
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Speaker 5: de arrangement syndrome.

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Speaker 1: Boy, Yes, apologies, I'm sure you've already gotten enough of

681
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Speaker 1: these clips, but this is a collab. Also, this is

682
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Speaker 1: a third way tweet who's been making quite a lot

683
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Speaker 1: of noise about Hassan specifically that's been there in a

684
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Speaker 1: time of uh the Iran War, massive economic job loss,

685
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Speaker 1: They're decided to focus on Hassan Piker. They say, left

686
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Speaker 1: wing anti semitism is often savvier than the brash, neo

687
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Speaker 1: Nazi rhetoric of the right. Their attacks are loaded with

688
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Speaker 1: words taught in social justice seminars and are often less blatant.

689
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Speaker 1: They replace the word Jew with Zionists while pushing age

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Speaker 1: old tropes about Jewish wealth and influence. Let's take a

691
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Speaker 1: listen to Jake Tappicker for a second that I talked

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Speaker 1: about the think tank Third Way. They wrote, we're all

693
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Speaker 1: for a big tent.

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Speaker 5: The Democratic Party needs to drawl line in the Santa

695
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Speaker 5: San Piper and his fellow Jew Haterlong on the other side.

696
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Speaker 1: Tonio s. Pelivan asked Piper.

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Speaker 8: People of his able to do is they try to

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Speaker 8: inoculate themselves against claims of Jew hatred by pointing it

699
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Speaker 8: out in places that aren't them. He's been clear pointing

700
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Speaker 8: things out on the right of that's anti Semitism. These

701
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Speaker 8: are the tropes they use, and then he'll use the

702
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Speaker 8: exact same tropes.

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Speaker 1: And just sub jew for is Realm, which is the

704
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Speaker 1: place where all Jewics collectively.

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Speaker 9: Have a connection to and is the homeland where more

706
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Speaker 9: than fifty percent of Jews on planet Earth lived. So

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Speaker 9: it's not you would never see Jews control the media,

708
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Speaker 9: but Israel controls the media. And you know, the Jews

709
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Speaker 9: didn't listen to the war with Iran and control the

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Speaker 9: American government, but Israel does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Just so curious for your reaction to this, because if

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Speaker 5: you've been getting criticism as well for doing campaigning with

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Speaker 5: or maybe if you did an interview with Hassan something

715
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Speaker 5: along those lines. First of all, just as a fact

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Speaker 5: check for viewers, Marco Rubio himself said that it was

717
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Speaker 5: Israel that initiated the attack on Iran and that we

718
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Speaker 5: went because Israel had done that. I don't believe Hazan

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Speaker 5: Piker has ever said that Israel controls the American media.

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Speaker 5: That's just completely bar bizarre thing to say. And relatedly,

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Speaker 5: on the day that this segment was aired, the Israel

722
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Speaker 5: Kaness had passed a death penalty law that would apply

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Speaker 5: only to Palestinians, and his suggestion there is that anybody

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Speaker 5: who criticized that must be smuggling in, you know, quote

725
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Speaker 5: unquote Jew hatred and couldn't possibly have actual genuine criticism

726
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Speaker 5: of this law that the Kanessa had just put into place,

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Speaker 5: which I don't believe was covered at all on that program.

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Speaker 1: So Effie, what what what? Why?

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Speaker 5: Why are people coming after you about Hassan Piker, Like,

730
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Speaker 5: What's what's going on in this race?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 6: I think you just describe the frame that we're imperfectly.

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Speaker 7: It's like the the the democratic establishment hasn't learned the

734
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Speaker 7: lesson of say, the election of Mom Donnie. You know,

735
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Speaker 7: we saw all that was thrown at him right by

736
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Speaker 7: by Cuomo and his race, and what that did was further.

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Speaker 6: Alienate all of the young people, all of the.

738
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Speaker 7: People who had previously felt disenfranchised from politics. And you know,

739
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 7: it's like it baffles me that we want to sacrifice,

740
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Speaker 7: you know, the participation of all of those young people,

741
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Speaker 7: so many people who mistrust the party and pursue this bizarre.

742
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Speaker 6: Framing that Third Way is doing it. I'm to be

743
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Speaker 6: honest with you, I'm at a complete loss.

744
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Speaker 7: Why we would sabotage our own party in this way

745
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Speaker 7: and allow this type of violent framing of anti Semitism

746
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Speaker 7: of people who in many ways are on the right

747
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Speaker 7: side of history. I mean, we could all speculate here,

748
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Speaker 7: but to what end For me as a candidate? What

749
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 7: I see are thousands and thousands of young people who

750
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Speaker 7: mistrust the Democratic Party because they do not see the

751
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 7: violence that the State of Israel is perpetrating, and that

752
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Speaker 7: there it is like the Vietnam.

753
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Speaker 6: Of this generation.

754
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Speaker 7: And I don't know, I mean, like, I just feel

755
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 7: like our party is blowing itself up over this when

756
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 7: it could actually be creating a human rights centered and

757
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 7: people centered agenda that our nation wants and frankly the

758
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 7: world wants.

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Speaker 4: You know. It's so interesting because I think if this

760
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Speaker 4: in this almost like media historic framing where what Hassan

761
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Speaker 4: Piker does is sit in front of a computer to

762
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Speaker 4: the point where it would be impossible for him to

763
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Speaker 4: lie or be inauthentic about what he's feeling because he

764
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Speaker 4: has a camera on him, like he's on Big Brother

765
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Speaker 4: or you know, the real world back in the day

766
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Speaker 4: at all times. And it's like this is the streaming economy,

767
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Speaker 4: And I'm just curious as a candidate if you think

768
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Speaker 4: that's kind of a lot of people see some of

769
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Speaker 4: this and and actually even Israel policy itself as kind

770
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Speaker 4: of a proxy for whether you are being honest and

771
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Speaker 4: like real to paraphrase the real World tagline with voters,

772
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Speaker 4: like there's just this expectation that you have to be

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Speaker 4: more kind of like I hate the word authentic, but

774
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Speaker 4: there's something to that like raw almost.

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Speaker 7: I think that, you know, and I'm speaking as a

776
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Speaker 7: person who is gen X right, Like so this Big

777
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Speaker 7: Brother sort of world of showing authenticity is entirely new

778
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Speaker 7: to me, and I can tell you it is entirely

779
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Speaker 7: new to the Democratic chairs who came after me as

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Speaker 7: on Hazan Piker.

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Speaker 6: I think that they.

782
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Speaker 7: We joke internally because it's like it's like they hit

783
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Speaker 7: a horneance ness the size of a house, and they

784
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 7: had no idea because they had no idea of of

785
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 7: of Hassan Piker. They perceive him to just be a person,

786
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Speaker 7: not a media outlet. He is both, and that media

787
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 7: is taking this form now of this authenticity to the

788
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 7: degree where you see all the warts, all the misstatements,

789
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Speaker 7: all the angry things that people would typically blip out,

790
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Speaker 7: that people would would screen. And so it's almost like

791
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Speaker 7: there's a generational difference in the reaction, right So and so,

792
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Speaker 7: for example, all of the young people on my team

793
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 7: and all of the young people who they talked to,

794
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 7: they all follow Hassan Piker. They all thought it was

795
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Speaker 7: extraordinary that I was on Hassan Piker. One of them

796
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 7: actually asked if they could come along, and he did

797
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 7: because he wanted to meet Hassan Piker versus establishment, which

798
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 7: is like, you know, I mean, they literally had no

799
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Speaker 7: idea that the AI generated complaints that they wrote, which

800
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Speaker 7: is frankly what it looks like would be viewed and

801
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Speaker 7: interrogated by millions and millions of people, and maybe this

802
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 7: is part of the problem that they don't see the

803
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 7: opportunity to speak to the very people. At every indivisible protest,

804
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Speaker 7: I go to where they say, where are the young people?

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Speaker 7: Where are the young people? Well, I'll tell you where

806
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Speaker 7: they are. They're on Hassan Piker. That's why I went

807
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Speaker 7: on the That's why I went on the stream.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 5: Since then there's been this kind of weird, contradictory, bifurcated response.

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Speaker 5: So David From I think it was David From said

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Speaker 5: he asked an AI agent to tell him and his audience,

812
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Speaker 5: and that the AI agent told him that Piker has

813
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Speaker 5: twenty thousand to thirty thousand concurrent viewers, you know, he

814
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Speaker 5: streams for eight to twelve hours a day. And then

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Speaker 5: David From looked up the number of viewers that like,

816
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Speaker 5: you know, MSNBC has in primetime or something, and I

817
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 5: think was very confused about the way that viewership stats

818
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Speaker 5: are analyzed and understood, and so was his AI. He

819
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Speaker 5: posted something and then that became like a thing that well,

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Speaker 5: actually a saw and Piker doesn't have an audience. It's

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Speaker 5: just a it's just a tiny, little rounding error. So

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Speaker 5: you're then left with the question, well, then why is

823
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Speaker 5: there why are you freaking out right? Why is this

824
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Speaker 5: multimillion dollar Schumer connected, you know, think tank doing op

825
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Speaker 5: eds and an entire campaign around a guy who that

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Speaker 5: nobody watches. But I'm curious from your perspective, what was

827
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Speaker 5: the fallout? Not the fallout? What was the kind of

828
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Speaker 5: reaction to you going on? How did how did it

829
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Speaker 5: affect your campaign or not affect your campaign?

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Speaker 1: Is if it did?

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Speaker 5: If if it's true that nobody actually watches his program,

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Speaker 5: then well, first of all you wouldn't be here and

833
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Speaker 5: we wouldn't be talking about it, so well then it

834
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Speaker 5: would be no effect.

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Speaker 1: What what was the effect there were?

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Speaker 6: The effect was was there were two sides of it.

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Speaker 7: The first was the immediate, in frantic, i think, surprising

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Speaker 7: response by the chairs of the Democratic committees of New

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Speaker 7: York seventeen district. It was within an hour that this

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Speaker 7: response that they put out was generated. And I will

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Speaker 7: say that the very first thing they quoted as evidence

842
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Speaker 7: against Hassan Piker was Fox News And that just blew

843
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 7: my mind because to complain about, you know, all the

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Speaker 7: things that people are saying about Hassan Piker in this

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Speaker 7: moment from a news organization that you know, you know,

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Speaker 7: like has advanced some of the most hateful rhetoric about immigrants,

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Speaker 7: about Hispanics, about Muslims, about Jews without any way of

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Speaker 7: you know, without looking at that critically in relation to

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Speaker 7: what they were saying to me, which is to say

850
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Speaker 7: that they were flamed. They were flamed, like ratioed is

851
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Speaker 7: the word that me as Jenks, just learned. And I

852
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 7: don't know that they actually expected that. I don't know

853
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Speaker 7: that they expected so many people to see their statement

854
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Speaker 7: as evidence of bias within the Democratic Party, as evidence

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Speaker 7: of the kind of attacks that we're seeing right now

856
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Speaker 7: from third wave and that further disenfranchises people.

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Speaker 6: So the effect has.

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Speaker 7: Been thousands of new followers, so many comments, a major

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Speaker 7: uptick and contributions, and people saying to me what they

860
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Speaker 7: often say to me because I've been very transparent about

861
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Speaker 7: my position on Israel and Palestine, like keep going, like

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Speaker 7: don't stop, like you are saying the things that people

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Speaker 7: want to hear.

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Speaker 6: And what I hope in the end, because I'm a.

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Speaker 7: Democrat, I'm a progressive Democrat, is that the party learns

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Speaker 7: the lesson right that our job is to listen to

867
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Speaker 7: the public. Listen to the public, hear what they're saying,

868
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Speaker 7: represent the positions through a moral lens. And when I

869
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Speaker 7: say a moral lens, that means we have to fight

870
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Speaker 7: anti Semitism, which is on the rise, we have to

871
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Speaker 7: fight Islamophobia which is on the rise. My goodness that

872
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Speaker 7: when you think about the kind of violence that's happening

873
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Speaker 7: in our country, with eyes to kinds of discrimination that

874
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Speaker 7: bias all these things like these are the things that

875
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Speaker 7: we have to fight. And frankly, when people reach out

876
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Speaker 7: to me and they say, keep going, this is what

877
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Speaker 7: they're saying, and the party hear it, they seem to

878
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Speaker 7: be very far from it at this point right now, though,

879
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Speaker 7: which is very baffling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it seems like the big thing from the

881
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election was that the modicum was we

882
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Speaker 1: need a bigger tent for the Democratic Party, we need

883
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Speaker 1: to bring in young people, or what have you. And

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to pull up this article from The

885
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Speaker 1: Bulwark where they interviewed Jonathan Cowen, who's the founder of

886
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Speaker 1: Third Way, and he says, if people are really arguing

887
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Speaker 1: that the price of winning is becoming like a bigoted,

888
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Speaker 1: misogynist like a son Piker. Then I'll take not winning.

889
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Speaker 1: So it seems the third way position is actually to

890
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Speaker 1: lose with Grace. Now, what do you make of that?

891
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Speaker 1: It seems like they're upset about Israel, but he says

892
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Speaker 1: misogynist there as well. Is there other reasons that they

893
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Speaker 1: could potentially be trying to sequester or demean Hassan because

894
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Speaker 1: Hassan has been going around and I think he's spoken to,

895
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Speaker 1: interviewed about twenty different Democratic candidates across the country, and

896
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Speaker 1: some people accuse him of being a purity test, litmus test,

897
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Speaker 1: wants to wreck the Democratic Party, doesn't want it to win.

898
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Speaker 1: Yet we see him on the road with candidates all

899
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Speaker 1: over the country. What do you make of this big

900
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Speaker 1: tent strategy, You.

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Speaker 6: Know, it's a great question.

902
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Speaker 7: What I think is and I believe firmly, is that

903
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Speaker 7: Hassan Piker speaks for and the young people who have

904
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Speaker 7: been disenfranchised right and in a way, what we're seeing

905
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Speaker 7: between Midway and they're framing, which I think is awful,

906
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Speaker 7: and Hassan Piker, you know, and the people who follow him,

907
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 7: is like a battle for the soul of the Democratic Party.

908
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Speaker 7: In the way that I see that the fight between

909
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Speaker 7: Cuomo and Mamdani in New York City was a battle

910
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 7: sort of for the soul of the Democratic Party. What

911
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 7: young people want is on authenticity. They want people to

912
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 7: recognize that our tax dollars are going to fund military

913
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 7: aid for the very nation that created this horrendous death

914
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Speaker 7: penalty in an apartheid form, like there is no escaping that.

915
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Speaker 7: And frankly, a lot of people who I speak to

916
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Speaker 7: or question me. I get emails every day questioning me

917
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Speaker 7: saying I agree with you on the Palestine issue, but

918
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 7: why Hassan Piker right? And they in that respect, they

919
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 7: agree with Hassan Piker on the Palestine issue. And what

920
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 7: I you know, I'm furious about with the Democratic Party

921
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 7: is that we actually have a capacity to build consensus

922
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Speaker 7: around this, and yet the framing that Third Way puts

923
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Speaker 7: out and focusing on misogyny, the way Cuomo's team focused

924
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Speaker 7: on anti semitism when dealing with Mom Danni.

925
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Speaker 6: Is completely blowing up our party to what ends?

926
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Speaker 4: You know?

927
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Speaker 7: That's the answer that I don't. I can speculate, but

928
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Speaker 7: I don't yet have. But we're doing it again. We're

929
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Speaker 7: handing it over to the Republicans, and it is completely

930
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 7: it is completely appalling and it is outrageous. But what

931
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Speaker 7: I'm hopeful for is that young people, people under forty

932
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Speaker 7: four is really what I say, and people see through it,

933
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Speaker 7: and they're going to come out and they're going to vote.

934
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Speaker 7: They're going to vote their conscience. And so we'll see

935
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Speaker 7: in New York seventeen is supposedly a purple district. I've

936
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Speaker 7: taken a very what I hope that people perceive to

937
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Speaker 7: be an authentic and progressive human rights focused platform, and

938
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Speaker 7: we're going to test it here too. You know, I'm

939
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Speaker 7: making it on the ballot where you know, we're going

940
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Speaker 7: to we're going to take it to the primary.

941
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Speaker 6: We're going to debate with the other candidates.

942
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Speaker 7: Who take no position at all on this and are

943
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Speaker 7: very quiet about a lot of things like ice, like

944
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 7: what our tax systems should be, how to make it

945
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Speaker 7: more fair by taxing the ultra wealthy, all of these things.

946
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Speaker 6: So you know, yeah, why they Yeah, what can I say?

947
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Speaker 6: It's free?

948
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Speaker 1: There's almost been a louder Yeah, there's been a louder

949
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: retribution against the song from Democrats than the Iran War.

950
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: People are are being louder about a streamer than this

951
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: disastrous war that's putting our global economy into peril. Any

952
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Speaker 1: final questions, Ryan and Emily, all right, I think you're muted.

953
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Speaker 5: Ryana, No, anything that doesn't for me. You really appreciate you, Uh,

954
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Speaker 5: joining that must have been an interesting ride. Imagine that

955
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Speaker 5: you didn't quite expect, You didn't quite know what you

956
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Speaker 5: were getting into, or at least you wouldn't have before.

957
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't have felt as a fellow gen xer. We

958
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 5: don't know what twitters. It's just a fact.

959
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Speaker 7: I'm trying to keep up because gen X you know,

960
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Speaker 7: we think we're the coolest in the room.

961
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Speaker 1: But no, no we're not, and not for a long time.

962
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, thank you for all you do in

963
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Speaker 6: your time.

964
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Speaker 4: You know.

965
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Speaker 7: It's I did expect this to a degree, you know,

966
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Speaker 7: because I've seen the way the Left is starting to

967
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Speaker 7: be framed in this way as advancing an antiput.

968
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Speaker 6: But I want to say this I think is really important.

969
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Speaker 7: When I was in Israel, what I learned was that

970
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Speaker 7: so many people, so many Israelis this was my time

971
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Speaker 7: in Israel and the occupied West Bank, are fighting so

972
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Speaker 7: hard for justice because they recognize that their own government

973
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Speaker 7: is becoming what they describe in their words as a

974
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Speaker 7: fascist government, and the government that can do the most

975
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Speaker 7: horrendous things like this, like this death penalty that's within

976
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Speaker 7: an apartheid frame. I mean, that is staggering, and Israelis

977
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Speaker 7: are fighting hard against this in partnership with Palestinians. And

978
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Speaker 7: to me, that gives me an immense amount of hope.

979
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Speaker 7: Because it's as dark and awful as the trajectory of

980
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Speaker 7: this nation, there are lots of people out there who

981
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Speaker 7: understand that the key is that we have to stop

982
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Speaker 7: attacking each other. We have to come together around our

983
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 7: shared values, which is people deserve justice and they deserve

984
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Speaker 7: the opportunity to thrive and through all of this, and

985
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Speaker 7: in despite of some of the very awful things so

986
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Speaker 7: San Piker has said in the past, in my meeting

987
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Speaker 7: with him, I believe that that is what he wants,

988
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Speaker 7: and I think that his millions of followers believe.

989
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Speaker 6: That that is what he wants, and that is the

990
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Speaker 6: direction that our nation needs to be going in.

991
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Speaker 7: Not the further splitting, accusations, attacks and own goals as

992
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 7: I see that we see coming from Midway and this

993
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 7: and this appalling campaign that they're putting forward.

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Speaker 6: It's staggeringly destructive. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Third Way, I believe. I don't know if Midway is

996
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: catching strays there. If that's is it the same thing

997
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Speaker 1: Ryan the third Way?

998
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Speaker 6: I meant to say, right.

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Speaker 1: For everyone's happening in the way, maybe yeah, mid Okay, Effie,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned Zora, And can you give us a quick,

1001
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Speaker 1: just quick bullet point list of some proposals or policies

1002
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: you want to bring to your district and where can

1003
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Speaker 1: people find and support your campaign if they so choose.

1004
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 6: So yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: Like so, the most critical things I think in New

1006
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 7: York seventeen are housing. So housing affordability, like increasing the

1007
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 7: number of housing in the district by sixty six thousand.

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 6: At least is critical. Medicare for all.

1009
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Speaker 7: We have to just get this done, like too many

1010
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 7: people are suffering, and in a nation as wealthy as ours,

1011
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 7: we can do it. Universal childcare. The state of Arizona

1012
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 7: has already done it. These are critical things to the

1013
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 7: people of.

1014
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Speaker 6: New York seventeen. Of course, just immigration reform.

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Speaker 7: We have to stop giving governments like our current one

1016
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 7: and opportunity to weaponize immigrants for their political gain. We

1017
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 7: need a clear, fair immigration system, and my goodness, it

1018
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 7: just keeps going on. And this is the of course,

1019
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Speaker 7: the one that I hear about the most. Justice at

1020
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Speaker 7: home and justice abroad. Right, we have to take care

1021
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Speaker 7: of the problem with us. We have to take care

1022
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Speaker 7: of human rights within our nation, and we cannot fund

1023
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Speaker 7: nations that violate human rights, particularly against our own laws

1024
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Speaker 7: and against international laws.

1025
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Speaker 6: That absolutely has to stop.

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Speaker 1: All right, people find you.

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Speaker 7: You can find me at fyfour Congress dot com, e

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Speaker 7: f f I, e f O R congress dot com

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Speaker 7: and on Instagram, all the places.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for this half. We'll do some fun stories,

1031
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Speaker 1: a quick little AMA in the second half and if

1032
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Speaker 1: you want to get access to that Breakingpoints dot Com

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Speaker 1: and we'll see there.