WEBVTT - Girls Girling: Pride (Bonus) 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.240 We should have shame as like a monthly holiday. I 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:09.360 celebrate shame every day in my personal life. I don't 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.559 know about you. For me, shame is three, six or 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.440 five days a year. Honey, Please never say honey like 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:24.040 that again. Honey. No. Actually, though, there should be Pride 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.520 month in June and then shame for the month of July, 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.639 because I feel like, honestly, with all the ship that 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.800 I do, I do need like some shame to process, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:39.600 like you know what exactly happened. Shame is a very 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:46.479 useful emotion. Oh you found Yeah, well, shame is one 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.040 of those well okay, I guess. Like, on the one hand, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.040 shame is kind of like a landfill emotion. On the 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:58.160 other hand, I think shame, like embarrassment, in a way, 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.920 is like social caution take or like a social bumper. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:07.520 It's like it's the same way that like pain lets 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.280 you know to not stop doing something. Like pain is 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.200 like your body being like, don't do that, that's bad 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.200 for you. I think shame is kind of like that, 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.120 but about your behavior so you don't do it again. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.720 But I don't think it's as like cut and dry, 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:29.119 because it's not always yes, because shame can be very 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.840 extremely valid, and there are things that you should to 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.000 be ashamed of, But then there's also shame that is 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:40.039 totally grafted onto us by society, by other people. What 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.399 have you right? For example, tonight, when I go to 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.840 a party at the Boom Hoom Room and inevitably get 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:52.080 monkey pocks, I will experience cham I what I don't want. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.240 I'm not going to ask. This is not that podcast. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.640 This is not that kind of podcast. But what we 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.960 will discuss is the Boom Boom Room. Let me tell you, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.240 do you like or do you dislike the Boom Bom Room. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.920 I've had fun there me too. I feel like it's 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.959 it is a completely overrated I've had fun there, and 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.400 I've also found it extremely lame. Yes, I think it's 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:18.560 an extremely overrated New York institution that is also iconic, 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.880 and you can't help but feel a type of way 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.280 when you're at it. The last time I was at 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.640 the Boom Bom Room was with you Um for the 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.360 after party for the out Pride dinner, at which I 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.799 had a hundred and two degree fever. Oh wait, but 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.800 do you stay for little Kim? I didn't stay for 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.320 Little Kim, but I went up briefly to the Boom 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.240 Boom Room. Wait was that the Yeah, that was the 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.080 last time I was there. I was there, I was 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.880 there some other time before that. I will say that 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.160 around there that I can't remember. That party is very 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.400 easily the best party I have ever thrown. And I 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.320 can take like a lot of credit for how well 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.320 that party went, and to the queens that I booked 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.160 to do back up for a little Kim and like, 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.880 I feel like I hauled ass, as did the out 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.360 Events team. Did you ever see content from the Madonna 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.000 party at the Boomoom Room, the one that was like 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.160 the Boom Boom Room is back. Unfortunately, I I have 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.200 that was one of what truly some of the worst 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.280 things I've ever seen in my life. And everyone knows 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.720 how much I love Madonna, but that was she should 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.880 have stayed home that night. Getting into that party was 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:30.280 actually the most difficult party I've ever gotten into. And 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.200 I have gotten into a lot of crazy parties, but 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:38.120 like that was like a labyrinth of gay nonsense. And 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:39.760 you know, the Boom Boom Room for those that are 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.640 the virgins at home who don't know, it's like a 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:47.240 truly like multiple elevators and like a labyrinth of like 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:51.640 halls and mirrors and staircases that kind of lead to 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.200 the same places, but it's still really difficult to navigate 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.600 sometimes if you're like you know, drunk or cooked out. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.920 And I basically got into the party by like sneaking 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.120 in through one of like the back elevators, by following 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.080 a group of people that I thought was V I 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.840 P or whatever. But like every corner of this party 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.720 was like crammed with like B and C list like 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.440 gay celebrities or whatever. Like I was like elbow to 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.400 elbow with like Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper who were 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.479 like yanking each other by the arm to get through 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.080 this like sardines crowd of people. And like Adam Lambert 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.560 had like his like shoulder pads with like studs on them, 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.080 like muscling through this like crowd of Madonna fagets. And 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.040 let me tell you you probably know this already. Madonna 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:41.320 fans are the worst class of people. That's you know, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.719 we're speaking of people who stand pop stars. I think 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.880 it's very hard to call any of them the worst. Yeah, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.080 that's true, that's that's sure. It's like Madonna stands are 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.560 like I would say generally like in the context you're 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.960 talking about like a sort of older white man, white 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.800 gay man. Oh yeah, I get what you're saying, but 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.920 I think there are you know, worse stands out there, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.080 and yeah, true, true, true, there are you know. It 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.680 was it was too flippant to say the worst. There 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.840 are so many stand bases um to take that title. 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.640 But um, Madonna, you know, obviously she did like I 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.799 think four songs which were actually like she was great, 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:25.720 but like after her performance, she was like, Okay, I'm 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.560 gonna bring up my friend Zachary Quinto and we're gonna 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:33.560 raise some money for LGBTQ homeless youth. It's like two 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.840 o'clock in the morning and this this venue is like, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.160 I mean, the booming Room is like so so illegally 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.200 packed with like Madonna bags that are like coked out 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.280 of their minds and have been waiting for hours for 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.279 Madonna and don't want to be there for the fundraising portion. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:54.000 It was insane. The thing about Madonna is that Madonna 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:58.280 does still think it is at the at the latest 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:03.600 two thousand three, maybe a dozen six, So that is 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:07.240 that is truly the setting of any um, you know, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.640 interaction with her I have also had my own Pride 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:16.240 experiences with Madonna positive So is this turning into a 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.719 Madonna episode? I mean, it's Pride, after all, it is Pride. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:26.800 So the fiftieth anniversary of Stonewall, you know, Pride fifty, 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:32.919 I interviewed Madonna for out and that was crazy to 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.640 talk to Madonna for ten minutes and then saw her. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.919 It was the first time I'd ever seen her live. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.919 Saw her concert after when she performed at the Pier 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:48.440 Um truly incredible. She did four songs and it was amazing. UM. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.400 And then I saw her again that year when she 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:55.760 was touring. Um, madam X. I love Madonna. I don't 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.880 love Pride as much, you know, I guess because we 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.720 are people whose works Center's queerness three sixty five days 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:09.400 a year, twelve months, fifty two weeks, and by the 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.600 time that this month rolls around every year, it's exhausting. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:19.080 We also, both you know, have worked places where we 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:24.960 had to lean into the very you know, like corporate ties, 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:30.200 Hello fellow gays. Kind of pride. We have cynical outlook 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:35.400 on the state of pride and LGBTQ and LGBTQ media 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.120 in general. I think, I mean I haven't. I haven't 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:43.960 not worked during Pride since I was I don't know, 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:49.080 like twenty four saying maybe, you know, like my whole 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.240 adult life, Pride has been a thing where I was 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:57.520 either working parties, working as a journalist, working as like 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.600 a corporate queer. And then this year even we're still 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.239 kind of working during Pride because we're making this podcast 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.160 and we're doing our show in New York. So I 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.840 mean it's great because, like, you know, the girls get 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:16.640 their coins during Pride and that's fab. But also it's 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.080 just not something that I care about or have any 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.720 real stakes in. It's just like we are, you know, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.840 cynical queers who know that this is a good time 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:31.480 to get like attention and money because it's unfortunately the 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.720 only time of the year that you know, culture at 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.840 large is willing to give us those things. Yeah, And 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.920 I feel like that the way you feel is kind 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.960 of how a lot of people feel, right Like, I 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:45.120 think that there's just like a cultural exhaustion around the 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.959 Pride industrial complex, and like, you know, the June one memes, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:53.319 like we see it in that right Like, but I 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.680 I don't know, it kind of bums me out sometimes 0:08:55.760 --> 0:09:00.440 because capitalism really has ruined it for every on like 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.880 capitalism and police and all the other things that make 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.200 pride something very icky, and it doesn't feel like it 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.240 belongs to us anymore. But like, really like pride in 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.520 its best form or the best version of pride is 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.400 like when you do it on your own, and it 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.040 has nothing to do with like the parties you go 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.560 to or the programming that you figure out, or like, 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.120 you know, the coin that you make. It's about finding 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.240 excuses to take off work. That's literally, it's just like 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.120 figuring out how to avoid work and doing something dumb 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.200 and gay and slutty instead. I do feel kind of 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.960 haunted by pride, and there was actually a summer where 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.760 I was hunted by Pride. One summer that I spent 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:44.920 in Europe. I was traveling a bunch and every city 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.760 I went to, it would be Pride in that city 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.439 that weekend. And I had left New York at the 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.280 end of June, so I left Pride and then went 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.559 to Europe, and like every new city I went to, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.720 they were like, oh, this weekend is our big Pride Pride, 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.240 And I was like, no, I'm being punch across across 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:05.080 the continent by Pride international haunting this and people would 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:06.760 be like, do you want to go do a Pride 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.880 thing this weekend? It's like, please, no, don't take me 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:14.240 to a club and give me some speed. Oh my god. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.000 I I mean I love International Prides. I've been to 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.520 a lot of different kinds of prides. I unfortunately the 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.160 opposite of you, I slash. I'm like the opposite of everyone. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.160 Like I really love Pride and I are disgusting. I 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.400 love this month and it enlivens me and makes me happy. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.600 I do, yes, love this month. Yes, because babe, like 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.960 you're so pure, friend, But this is what I'm saying. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:39.920 I don't love the month because I'm gonna go to 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.880 the fucking parade, you know what I mean. Like I 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.840 don't love this month because like I'm gonna go to 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:50.520 thinking Harry's shaving companies like Cocktail Party or whatever, you 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.920 know what I mean. Like we're like we're like cock sucking, 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.800 you know, Like I don't care about the Spahn con. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.920 Like I'm telling you that when I'll give you a 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:05.400 cocktail when the clock strikes June one, I will not 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:10.400 do anything that I don't want to do, period, Like 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.000 I will not do it, and that I think is 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.560 the mentality that everyone should have around this month because 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.800 you know, it depends on what your job looks like, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.160 but like you really can maneuver your way into like 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.440 really not doing things that you don't want to do, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.319 you know. And I want to validate that because we 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.559 have had to have some annoying conversations with people this month, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:37.559 and I love that you're taking no ship from straight people. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:45.400 Attitude is on a thousand this month, and it is 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.520 great because I like, I have, you know, sort of 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:53.000 like a low level um like apathy about all things 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.200 three six or five days a year. Um, but you, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.320 I think, especially during this month, just absolutely we have 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.400 no time for this had her own nonsense. No. I 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.720 love that I have gotten to benefit from the roses 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.080 referring to a very specific incident that we can't talk 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.640 about on the camera, but um, I did choose someone 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.600 out recently. Well, we're only on camera for each other, 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.320 We're not on camera for the listeners. Look, look, mama, 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.440 I come camera. We are camera ready. You look stunning. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.840 You have beautiful blonde hair, luscious locks. The virgins should 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.480 know you like You're You're back to blonde baby, and 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.959 you need to stay. The color did not change at all. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.800 I just got a trim and a blowout. I know, 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.320 but it looks just that my hair looks disgusting all 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:40.760 the time. Wait, do you want to know, but your 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.240 hair looks more blonde? Do you want to know why 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.920 I got my hair trimmed? Why? Because yes, cover they 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:52.720 come yes, no, um, but still sex related. Yesterday I 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:58.040 was hooking up with someone and they very sexily were like, 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.120 I love your hair, like you know, the blonde is 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:08.080 so hot um, and then went to tenderly um you know, uh, 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.520 run their fingers through my hair and couldn't because it 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.000 was so tangled and dry and nodded at the ends, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:26.000 and I thought, well, I'm getting a haircut tomorrow. Wow, 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.840 that's that's pretty. Did he notice or were you able to? Like? 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.320 Kind of he kind of like? Um, he was nice. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.520 He didn't recoil, He did not recoil. He you know, 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:42.280 um gracefully pulled out my hair um, and did not 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.920 try that move again. Um. But it was a nice 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:52.560 You know, sometimes sometimes the universe calls you in and says, honey, 0:13:53.600 --> 0:14:10.000 it's time, it's time. So do you have like a 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:15.760 favorite pride memory? Yeah, I was actually just talking to 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:20.000 our friends Coco and Mars about this. Um. I my 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.160 first year in New York. I you know, didn't really 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:24.400 think I was going to live in New York. I 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.200 thought I was going to just be here for a 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.640 graduate certificate program and then like you know, moved to 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:34.760 the mountains or some ship. And I experienced basically my 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:39.480 first like big city pride and had never seen so 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.800 many queer people in my life. And that was the 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.880 year that Domo was struck down, and so Pride was 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.880 particularly lovely. And that was also the year that Gaga 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.240 gave a surprise speech at the New York like opening 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.200 rally or whatever. And I remember lining up like waiting 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.000 and since like noon to go see Gaga speak because 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.880 I had literally never seen a celebrity before in my 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.640 entire life. And her speech was beautiful. By the way, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.760 it made me cry. It's like on YouTube somewhere, but 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.360 she talked about I hate that I'm recounting this, but 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.400 it really was beautiful. She talked about how she said 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.280 love winds No, I mean that too, but she said, um. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.840 She was like, you know a lot of people like 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.280 to say to me, Gaga, I knew you when like 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.240 I knew you when you were, you know, playing at 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.480 piano dive bars, and like I knew you when you 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.480 had like you know, no social media followers or whatever 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.840 she was saying. And she was like, and now I 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.120 get to say to you, I knew you when you 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.560 didn't have rights in this country, and like I knew 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.480 you when you couldn't get married, and like, like it 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.360 was it was really beautiful. She She's delivered in a 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.720 much better way that I'm doing. Um, and then she 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.960 like transitioned. She was like, um, I would like to 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.960 think Mark who does my hair, and I would like 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.720 to thank John who does my makeup. And it's like 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.960 she was just thinking all of her gay friends is 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.560 so beautiful. And then she's saying the Star Spangled banner, 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.560 but instead of saying that flag was still there, she 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.800 said that Pride flag was still and she pulled out 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.040 a bride flag. Um, anyways, we are really discovering that 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.280 friend is like a yes, God, no, like a chase. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.400 It's literally it's literally the only time I've gone into 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.560 gone to like you know, a sanctioned rally or whatever. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.920 But like you have to know that, like I was 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:33.480 coming here from corn fields in Indiana. I was coming 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.040 from a place where you could scroll grew then you 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.520 got corn Holds and Williamsburg. I wish I was coming 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.440 from a place where you could scroll through the entire 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:45.600 Grinder roll in like two minutes. And that was all 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.600 the gay people in your like you know, square my radius, 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.240 like all the people grinder on grinder, you know what 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.360 I mean. And I just like, I had just felt 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.119 so overwhelmed by that feeling of being surrounded by queerness. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.040 And the next day I accidentally her into the Dike March, 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:06.080 and Edie Windsor was like, is the moment the moment 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:10.160 if you also do love the Drag March, which is oh, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.800 I've never seen that. Actually, march is great. It starts 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.719 in the East Village in Tompkins Square Park. I believe 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.879 um and and that stonewall and everyone sings over the rainbow. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.240 Of course, that's very sweet. Although I had a really 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.040 horrible dysphoric experience the last time I went to the 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.720 Drag March. Oh no, I'm sorry, that sucks. Well. It 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.800 was the year that Pearl put me in drag for 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.840 her YouTube channel. Oh god, that would make me feel insane, 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:44.840 and it was really cool. But then I went to 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:50.120 the Drag March and just felt like everyone thought I 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.479 was a drag queen and that I was a dude, 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:57.679 and it was like the most psychotic I've ever felt 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.080 in public. It was really crazy. See. And then I 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.880 went to a lady fag party afterwards and my friend 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.560 and I were like, we can't deal with this right 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.320 now and went back to his apartment and just railed 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.720 a lot of ketamine. Oh that's nice. So that was 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:17.480 not my favorite Pride memory. Oh um. At the Dike March, 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.439 there was like a surprise. Basically. I was like, I 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:24.640 wandered out of an hnm into the Dike March on accident, 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.480 and I was kind of a metaphor it really is, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.040 it really is. And I was like, what is the spirit? Like, 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.560 you know, just like lesbians like drumming with their tops 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.400 off and I'm like, wow, I'm home, mama. And then 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.920 there were these saundered out of a and m into 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.440 the Dike March. So beautiful. That should be on Love Victor. 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.959 And there were all these lesbians holding up this huge 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.199 Dike March banner and they lifted up the banner and 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:53.000 from underneath the banner crawls out, you know, five ft 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.840 five Eady Windsor back when she was alive the year 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.240 that Dolma was struck down. So she is the literal 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.560 superhero of this moment. It And she comes out from 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:03.359 under the banner and she's wearing a T shirt that 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:05.880 says nobody knows I'm a lesbian, And I was just 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.040 immediately started crying. Like I just looked at her. I 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.080 was brought to tears. And that was like a really 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.440 crystallizing moment. Like that weekend, I was just like, I've 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.240 never experienced so many kind of like queer magical things 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.240 in a row. There was more that happened that weekend, 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.639 and I just kind of got addicted to that feeling, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.440 I guess. But like I mean, obviously those things were 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.160 like very pride e but like pride sanctioned events aside, 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.760 like that magic happens all the time. Um, a horrible 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.239 pride memory that I have. Well, this is actually kind 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.960 of dark, but it's also was. I was writing about 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.600 it yesterday and infuriated me. Um. Remember the year that 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:47.840 Nick Jonas was like gay bating out the wazoo, So 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.840 that was also the year which you support I mean, 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.280 his thighs were incredible. Um, there's actually a BuzzFeed video 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.880 of him reading a tweet of mine about his thighs. 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.800 But this is, unfortunately the year of the Pulse nightclub shooting, 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.639 and he came to the fucking vigil in New York 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:12.120 for Pulse and gave us speech and I was like, 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.560 that was It was so disgusting. And I remember being 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.280 in the crowd and being like, what the fuck is happening? 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.720 And everyone in the crowd was confused. But that just 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.280 goes to show it's like girls, like celebrities, like get 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.439 your ship together, like what are you doing? Like know 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.040 what space is yours? And what isn't you know? I 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.200 think that my favorite Pride memory. I mean, I'm sure 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:39.040 there's some like more ephemeral moments that are maybe like truer, 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.280 but I do think that watched so Um one year 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.840 I threw when I was still working in nightlife, I 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:54.640 threw this Pride rave called Oasis, and um, Charlene performed 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.560 because she was kind of like our She was like 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:01.320 the settine of our parties, like Allah Mulah rouge, and 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:06.439 she took her first shot of estrogen when she started 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:11.520 transitioning on stage at this rave full of like a 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:15.440 thousand people did. Yeah, I didn't know that. While she 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:21.959 while she performed Fruit by Marina I love Fruit and 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:29.720 it was like, truly one of the most transcendent communal 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:37.320 experiences I've ever had. I started sobbing. It was like incandescent. 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.640 It was amazing. Also, one year threw a party where 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.119 we had drag queen mud wrestling, which was pretty fun. 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.480 That's fun in New York. That was a good Pride Yeah, wow, 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.760 I love that chick. It was very messy. I have 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:53.840 so many good memories of like going to Rease. I'm 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.919 going to Rease this Sunday, skipping all the Pride things, 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.480 all the marches, like couldn't be me. I'm going to 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.639 go to the beach. Let's go to the beach. Beach 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:04.520 each let's go get away. I never want to go 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.159 to Reese again. Ever. I hate it. What, Yeah, I 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.880 want to go to a nice beach. Ah rees is 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:16.480 the best beach in the world. No, it's not. It's 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.240 really not, just because it's covered in garbage in the 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.840 in the water looks like sewage, like what and it 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:25.240 takes like seven hours to get to Yeah, so what's 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.240 but that's what you might as well just go to 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.000 Fire Island. It takes the same amount of time. It 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:32.800 doesn't take the same amount of time, first of all. 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.440 Second of all, I mean the Fire Island beaches are amazing, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.040 but the experience of Fire Island is kind of horrible 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:43.720 compared to like Reese. I feel like, just just we're 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.159 different girls, and wow, really I feel like Reese is 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.840 like crunchy queer core, like I've never seen so many 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.439 top surgery cars like and I like that part of it, 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:57.399 but like it's just the whole Like Reese is giving 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:01.600 like Queer Exchange Facebook group vibes, and that is not 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:06.160 that is kind of the vibe. But I don't know, 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.240 I just think it's so brief. Speach is someone posting 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:11.840 I have half a Margarita pizza in my fridge, does 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.360 anyone want it? And the first comment is a gluten 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:19.520 freeze that is exactly it, which is an actual post 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:24.200 that I've seen on Queer Exchange. Is it really? Yes? 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:26.719 One time I saw not on Queer Exchange, but one 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:28.639 sometime I saw a post on Facebook that was like, 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:30.400 does any want to come over and help me eat 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.760 this gluten free brownie? Penis that I have from a 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:38.159 bachelorette party and it was like the biggest, ugliest, gnarliest 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:42.520 looking penis made of brownie mix that I had ever 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:58.639 seen in my entire life. Okay, well, let's wrap up 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.960 our final Pride Phone this episode by looking back on 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:06.920 this Pride season, which has both flown by and dragged on, 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:11.200 and let's do this housewives style, or, as producer Phoebe said, 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:15.440 queer commune style, queer commune house meeting style, queer commune 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.399 nose meaning yeah, is there something we can hold to 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:24.760 show who's supposed to be speaking? Dildo we pass around? Well, 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:26.880