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Speaker 1: talks some draft right here on the John Subtle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Eric Man, Usually we catch up at the combine and

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Speaker 1: we didn't see each other. We hung up, we chatted,

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Speaker 1: we just couldn't figure out the time to do it.

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Speaker 1: But this is good. Now I get all your more

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Speaker 1: you know, close to the draft nuggets that you've been

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Speaker 1: kind of digging up over the past few weeks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I warned, I warned you in about nineteen other people.

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Speaker 1: I said, I want to do the show is this

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Speaker 1: being my first combine with NFL media, let me kind

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Speaker 1: of see how things go. And you know, it was steady,

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Speaker 1: it it was pretty busy the whole time. It was

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Speaker 1: the same basic sort of concept is what I did

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Speaker 1: for Yahoo, but a few other little things along the way.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm more than happy to pop on now

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Speaker 1: and make it up to you. Nah, dude, you don't

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Speaker 1: always anything. We appreciate your time. And Eric is one

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Speaker 1: of the guys that's always locked in at least one

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Speaker 1: know he does all the work. So let's go to

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Speaker 1: your most recent monstraft, Eric gos last week. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have at least two more coming before the

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Speaker 1: draft shows up, which I'm sure you're very excited about doing.

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Speaker 1: But in the one you did last week, you add

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Speaker 1: Zap Flowers going to the Giants at number twenty five,

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Speaker 1: So let's take that as a launching off point. Are

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Speaker 1: you really leaning wide receiver for the Giants at twenty five?

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Speaker 1: You just put up a top needs for each team

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Speaker 1: article this week? As well? Is that where you're looking?

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Speaker 1: Is there another position that maybe you think is more

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Speaker 1: of a need how do you see that in terms

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Speaker 1: of the Giants, in terms of needs. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, when you go down to the

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Speaker 1: seat your bowl and eventually to the combine, obviously you're

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Speaker 1: talking a lot of different people, and you know, even

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Speaker 1: secondhand you can get some some interesting information at times,

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Speaker 1: and the words seem to be that the Giants were

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Speaker 1: on the lookout for a receiver. Now that doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: lock them in, of course to a Round one selection,

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Speaker 1: but you know it was partly neat and especially given

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Speaker 1: away last year went. You know, obviously Aerill pointing up

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Speaker 1: far being back together. And you know, it's tempting to

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Speaker 1: kind of go with, boy, if we had a speed

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Speaker 1: just it's just sort of interesting. Obviously, you know, Waller helps,

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Speaker 1: but you'd love somebody to stretched the field. But in

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Speaker 1: this case, if I recall the way the board kind

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Speaker 1: of fell, receiver made a lot of sense given what

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Speaker 1: here in this draft, you would Zay Flowers to the

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Speaker 1: So let's take availability out of the mix for a second.

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Speaker 1: Let's just talk pure if the Giants could you know,

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Speaker 1: Guy that's great after the catch. It's it's just it's weird.

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Speaker 1: But he's the one with a chance, and he's guy.

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Speaker 1: teach impressman? Yeah, I don't know that he's quite as

428
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 1: physical as he probably needs to be, but you know,

429
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 1: he redirects pretty well off the line and all that,

430
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,879
Speaker 1: and you know, the body control and the length of

431
00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 1: really what get people excited. So yeah, it wouldn't stun me.

432
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 1: In fact, I had somebody in medias asked me like,

433
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 1: would it be crazy to put him in round one?

434
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 1: And I had to be like, well yeah, and then

435
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, it wouldn't be shocking, And

436
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 1: so I've been thinking about it for a little over

437
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,400
Speaker 1: a week because that conversation. But yeah, I think he's

438
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,479
Speaker 1: more likely a day two guy. But yeah, that wouldn't

439
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: shock me any sleeper corners that that you think. And

440
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned Roll Smith that maybe you think people are

441
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: not talking enough about. Yeah, he's probably the one who's

442
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 1: maybe most interesting. And yeah I mentioned Tyreek Stevenson. I

443
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: think people are excited, especially the teams to play a

444
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: decent amount of man defense. I think you're going to

445
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 1: be interested in him. And the mystery guy would be

446
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:47,719
Speaker 1: Eli Ricks I think from Alabama via LSU. People remember

447
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 1: his freshman year who followed college football, he looked like,

448
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the next sort of star at

449
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: the position. In fact, it almost follows a little bit

450
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,479
Speaker 1: of what we saw from I'm Blanking Stingley, who the

451
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 1: Texas took last year, in that you know, some of

452
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: his best tape was his freshman year. Does that concern you, well,

453
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: yeah it does. But there's obviously a talented player in

454
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: there who's played on two really competitive defenses, and whether

455
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: you can kind of get the most out of him

456
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: is the big question. Buddy's chock full of talent, and

457
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 1: there's no question. All right, let's head over now, to

458
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: the other big giant kneed, which I think is center Eric,

459
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: and you only had one offensive guard going. You're depending

460
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 1: on what you think of Skarnsky will call him a

461
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: tackle for this conversation. You only in one straight up

462
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: guard go in the first round of year in mock

463
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: that was Osirius Torrence, who was off the port the

464
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: Giants even picked. He did not have a center go.

465
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: And we're starting to see more of John Michael schmidtzlide

466
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: into the first round. I think of Daniel Jeremiah's last march.

467
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: I think he had Tipman even going to the Giants

468
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: in round one, if I recall properly. So your thoughts

469
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: on those centers. Is this a philosophical thing for you

470
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: where you just don't think center's worth it in the

471
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: first and those guys not worth the bank for your buck.

472
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 1: Give me a breakdown at the top the center class here. Yeah,

473
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes general manager, especially those with you know,

474
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: obviously pro scouting experience or maybe they have a background

475
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: and that they'll understand that, you know, center is one

476
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: of the lower ranked positions. If you were to make

477
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: a you know, a totem pole or whatever, you know,

478
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: like a positional hierarchy. Quarterback is at the top, and

479
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: then you decide corner, left tackle, receiver, whatever pass rusher.

480
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 1: As it went down, you get you know, right guard,

481
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 1: you know the special deam. Center would be in the

482
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: in the bottom third of the of the positional value chart.

483
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: So the highest I think we've seen a center goes

484
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: about the eighteenth pick in recent years. In fact, actually

485
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: that may go back to like Damian Woody. I remember

486
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: looking at this a couple of years ago. But top

487
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: twenty centers just don't happen very often. Where they where

488
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: they can come is that back third round one, early

489
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: part around two For me, when I watched John Michael

490
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: Schmitz had a good senior Bowl, nice college player. He

491
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: just screamed round two to me. That was my impression

492
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: of watching him. It was almost like, you know, watching

493
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: a like an eighty eight percent version of Creed Humphrey,

494
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: Like he's almost that good, but not, by the way,

495
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't think he's as good as Creed Humphrey was. No,

496
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't go there, but I like him

497
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: as a player. He could start for eight years and

498
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: be the captain of your line in time. Joe Tipman

499
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: is unusually tall for the position, but you don't notice

500
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: it when you watch him. I mean, I don't feel

501
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: like I sit there and go, oh, he's you know,

502
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: he's upright, and he's gonna get you know, cut down

503
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: that way and this is gonna lose his leverage and

504
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I never noticed it. Like usually a

505
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: guy six six with you know, I guess his arm

506
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: length isn't special, but still usually that kind of a

507
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: size guy you see you tend to see more on

508
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: the outside. But um, he gets a little wide with

509
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 1: his hands and a little kind of loose with some

510
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: of this pass pro stuff. But I think he's a

511
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: really smart guy with all the ingredients to be a

512
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: very strong, solid, rock solid center. So I go back

513
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: and forth on those guys, and I can't quite decide

514
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: which one I like more. But I might be leaning

515
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: slightly tipman. I think it's it's close. They're both starting

516
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: caliber centers who are probably just shy of Pro Bowl

517
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: level at this, you know, for the first couple of

518
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: years of their career. If you want a center, do

519
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: you need to get one of those two guys? Who

520
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: are someone after those two that you're trust enough done? Like,

521
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: do you like a Wippler. Do you think Steve a

522
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: Villa could move over? Who were some of the guys

523
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: a little bit later on? Maybe that I think a

524
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: Villa is a better guard, but he has played center.

525
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: As you pointed out, you could try in there, you wouldn't.

526
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you get killed. I'll give you a

527
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: sleeper at this position. Yeah, you mentioned whippler from from

528
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: Ohio State. I think he's good. He's young. I think

529
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: he still needs a little time. You know Cam Jurgens

530
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: who came out from Nebraska. He's like a slightly less

531
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: athletic version of him, maybe in some ways a little tougher,

532
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: maybe a little more physical, but you know, I mean

533
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: they had to. They've played him a guard and they

534
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of worked him into the lineup in Philly. So

535
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: that's I would still say he's around two or three guy.

536
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: But Ricky Stromberg East West Shrine guy Arkansas, he feels

537
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: like he's been there for a while. Uh, kind of

538
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of a meat potatoes guy. But boy,

539
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: I like him. I mean, I feel like you can

540
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: get a value with him, and he may, you know,

541
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean I would say round three, round four, possibly

542
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: round five. I mean somewhere in that round four range

543
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: is where I think he'll end up going, and I

544
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: would I would love that value there, do you scrugs?

545
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: Some people really like I mean, I think he's okay.

546
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: Olo with Timmy from Michigan is another one. I think

547
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: he's a little stiff and a little short, but he's

548
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: he's clearly got the desire to play the position. He

549
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: just reminds me a little bit of Lloyd Cushionberry, who

550
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: went to the Broncos and really hasn't pad out yet. Yeah,

551
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's the mind for it. I think, yes,

552
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: I think he does everything right. But even at the

553
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, he just seemed to get overwhelmed physically a

554
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: lot in those one on one drills, which I think

555
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: for a shorter guy like that, it just it doesn't

556
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: favor guys like that in my opinion, unless they're just

557
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: ox bull strong, you know. But I'm happy you said Whippler.

558
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: I've called him whippler for a year. This past week

559
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: I've heard three people call him whipler, and I thought,

560
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: I No, I'm with it's whip. I get it in

561
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: my hand and I just lock it in, you know,

562
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: all right? Pass Rusher. I think you were ahead of

563
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: the curve here. Eric. You had Miles Murphy dropping the

564
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: twenty nine in your mock draft and don't do don't

565
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: make the face. No, I know I like him, but

566
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I wouldn't. I've seen more and more

567
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: of it though. And we were talking to Big Blue

568
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: kickloff live Um Fowler, he does um um, who is it? No,

569
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: it was Mickey Piler, who does Clemson radio down there

570
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, and he was telling us that, look,

571
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, their head coach, Davil Sweeney never says a

572
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: bad word about a player. He publicly kind of got

573
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: on him a little bit it this year for dogging

574
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: it a little bit and not you know, finishing plays

575
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: and such. And frankly, I watched the tape and when

576
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: I watched him, it was back in like November, and

577
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, top ten pick, and I'm like, honest

578
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: with you, Yeah, where like I don't see the burst,

579
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't see the explosive, bendy, fast guy. I see

580
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: more of kind of a power guy, but not like

581
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: an overwhelming power guy. So how is that a top

582
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: ten pick? Frankly, I think this is where he belonged,

583
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: which doesn't mean he's a bad player. Yeah, I just

584
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: don't see a top ten, top fifteen guy, to be

585
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: honest with you, Yeah, that's that's what when I asked

586
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: somebody in the league about him, probably like around November

587
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: December maybe if I had to guess, No, actually was

588
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: later than that. It was that it was during bowl season,

589
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: so I had to be December January or something. And

590
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: I said, you know, kind of the same thing, like,

591
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, top fifteen, just on athleticism. He said, if

592
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: you watched him, and I say, yeah, probably three four games.

593
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: He said, did he ever dominate? And I said, well, no,

594
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, he had a pretty good game against you know,

595
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: Duke and then he beat this to him, you know,

596
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: and they say, yeah, I mean that's the that's the

597
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: problem is that, like I don't know that anyone's gonna

598
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: gonna just go head over heels for him. If it

599
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, if it works out where that the board

600
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: shapes up and he's the guy and you're sitting at

601
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: number twenty six to eight, you know, twenty seven, whatever,

602
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: maybe he's your pick. But like you said, I just

603
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: I felt like there wasn't that superpower to his game.

604
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: He like you said, he wants to be in a

605
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: little bit of a you know, he's like a little

606
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: bit of an in between er in terms of the

607
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: power and the finesse and and but I mean he

608
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: looks beautiful, you know. I mean that just you know,

609
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: like the height and the athleticism and everything. But he's

610
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: not a he's not a big edge setter in my opinion,

611
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: he's not a he's not long for for a guy

612
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: that I say. He doesn't have those you know, the

613
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: raptor you know kind of arms. So there's just a

614
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a little bit of acquired

615
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: taste in terms of how I use him. I think

616
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good player, but never a great one. Yeah,

617
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: look like with you, I think he's gonna be solid

618
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: as a rock. I'm with you. Hu Um van Ness

619
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: and Cancy. You know, is that also kind of a

620
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: flavor of the month type of thing where it's gonna

621
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: have to fit what a team wants for them to

622
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: draft those guys, because you know, van Ness, he seemed

623
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: he seems like a bit of a tweener to me too,

624
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: right like he like if this was two thousand and twelve,

625
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: I'd say he's a three four defensive end. Those guys

626
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: don't really exist anymore, right, Yeah, so I'm pretty sure

627
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: he on passing situations, he's a three technique and I guess,

628
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: and run situations, he's your end. I guess that's how

629
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: you would probably play him, right, I think so? And

630
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: then Cancy, you know, I struggle with this tape, Eric

631
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: and I don't you know, while we saw on Van

632
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: Nest person and then we'll jump to Cancy or people

633
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: are just gonna fall in love with his frame and

634
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: his raw athleticism and figure he's kind of just a

635
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: bowling ball on tape, just go straight really fast and

636
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: he wins. Yeah, that's what people are gonna fall in

637
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: love with and figure they can develop into something more. Yeah.

638
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: I think it's the quickness, the athletic trades. I really

639
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: think that had he gone anywhere else in the country

640
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: besides pitt where we're not going to be comparing to

641
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, that would have actually done him a favorite.

642
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: May have heard his draft stock a little bit in

643
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: a strange kind of way. What I'm basically trying to

644
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: say is that if you go in thinking you're gonna

645
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: see Aaron Donald, or at least what Aaron Donald was

646
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: his final year at PITT. I think you're gonna be

647
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: a little bit disappointing. But then again, we're still talking

648
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 1: about the AP the ACC Defensive Player of the Year,

649
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he's still made a lot of

650
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: plays in the backfield. He's a he's a he to

651
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: your point, he's a scheme specific guy. I mean, could

652
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: a creative coach who isn't used to having that kind

653
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: of guy find a way to use him, of course, right,

654
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be your your gap slanting guy, you know,

655
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: the one gap only. I don't think he's got anywhere

656
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: near the anth or mass that you want to to

657
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: hold up blocks in two gaps. Then then don't draft him, right,

658
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you're running that kind of a system,

659
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: it's just pointless. So with van Este you made a

660
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: great point, which is that him kicking inside is probably

661
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: what he does best right now. I mean, the quickness

662
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: for the interior guards, he gave him some trouble. I

663
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: think he's going to be like a little bit like

664
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: George Carlaftus was for the Chiefs, where he plays and

665
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: he's in a rotation and he helps out a you know,

666
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: a good defense get better or an average defense become

667
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: good or whatever. But I don't know that he's going

668
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: to be anywhere close to a finished Productate. You have

669
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: to still have to figure out can he play on

670
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: his feet? You know, does he have the benniness to

671
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: play the edge or is he kind of your strong

672
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: side guy? And yeah, I mean I still think he's

673
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: got a lot of talent. Shocked that, you know. I mean,

674
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: even though he led the d lineman and snaps, you know,

675
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: this is still starting thing. He's never started a game,

676
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: come on, But you know you get over that quickly. Yeah, Nancy,

677
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: I think what gets me with him and you mentioned

678
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: that Iron Donald comp which to me is ridiculous because

679
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: the first thing I'll do with these guys, and I

680
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: try to do more if I can find the time,

681
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: I watch all their winds. Right, So I'll go through

682
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: everyone of Canci's pressures. I will go through everyone of

683
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: Canci's tackles for loss. And now this got me in

684
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: trouble with Hutchinson last year because all of Hutchinson's pressures

685
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: and sacks were the same. He would go into the

686
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: defensive the offensive tackles kind of chest win the hand battle,

687
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: and he win that way, you know, like he didn't bend.

688
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: It was kind of the same thing every time. And

689
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: look he developed into a lot more than that in Detroit.

690
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: So take that with a great assault. But if you

691
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: watch Cancy's winds, it's all quickness wins, right, It's a

692
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: lot of swims, a lot of overmoves, a lot of

693
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: quick moves to your point, slanting to the gaps. You

694
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: watch Aaron Donald, I remember him plowing a meg in

695
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: zachmart at the Senior Bowl. He would overpower people, he

696
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: would big boy people his you know, violent hands, and

697
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't see that type of play from Canty necessary

698
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: severally that we saw from Donald. So to me, Cancy

699
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: is quick is right now primarily a guy that wins

700
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: with his quickness, and I really do think he needs

701
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: to develop more of his strength, especially if he wants

702
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: to be an early down defensive tackle, because I'll tell

703
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: you what, some of these three in of twenty pounds,

704
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, grown men guards get get their hands on him,

705
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: it's over. Yeah, it's over. That's that's if he doesn't

706
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: win initially, whether it's bye speed or some other way,

707
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, if he doesn't win initially, you do you

708
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: do see him stall. Hell, he'll even sometimes kind of

709
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: duck his head, you know, kind of kind of lose

710
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: the momentum. He stalls out. Now that's a stalemate, so

711
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a loss if you if you could

712
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: push the guy a little bit or get him off

713
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: a spot. But still, I mean, yeah, I think there

714
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: are some instances where you say to yourself, it's gonna

715
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: be tougher for him. I mean, Aaron Donald was so,

716
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, freaky strong for his size, Like I mean,

717
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: not too many defensive lineman with a true six pack

718
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: at his age two. Now it's like, well, like if

719
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: you would just like stand combine Aaron Donald next to

720
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: Kalijah Cancy combine, It's like it's not even in the

721
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: same part. Like, yeah, honestly, if you put him next

722
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: to at a barre from Northwestern Aaron Donald, that's closer.

723
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: Like at a bar he's at least rocked up a

724
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: little bit. Yes, if he stows a lot of upper

725
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: body development that he needs to do. In my opinion,

726
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: at least, I think you're right. I think you're right. Yeah,

727
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna have to be a rotational guy at first,

728
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: but he can add some juice to a unit on

729
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: third downs and you know, hopefully you get a more

730
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: rounded game from him. But I think he's he's he's

731
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: he's top fifty. I think he's at worst if he

732
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: doesn't go in round one, I still think he goes

733
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: fairly early in round two. Oh yeah, no, I'm with you.

734
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a first round pick. You know,

735
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: guys that can rush and win inside in the past

736
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: rusher are hard to finement, and teams are gonna draft

737
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: those guys once you get past that first group. How

738
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: big of a drop of is if you eric to

739
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: the you know bj Ojalaris, the at a Bara do

740
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: I just mentioned before Northwestern that kind of the next

741
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: group of guys that you can ask to get after

742
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: the passer. And when would you be comfortable taking them

743
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: in that kind of second round area? And who are

744
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: some of your favorites? Yeah, if you're looking for an

745
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: interior pass rush shirt, Kancy's probably your only hope. If

746
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: you're looking exterior, there's a lot more promise out there. Yeah. Yeah.

747
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: Tweet two Pilotto, I think from USC is being severely underrated.

748
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Isaiah Fosky fan from Notre Dame.

749
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: Like kind of what we talked about the tape is

750
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: he's traits and you see the wins and you get

751
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: excited and then you see a lot of nothing for

752
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: a while. I think he's gonna be a developmental player

753
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: who could be good in time. Bijolari though with the

754
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: bend and the quickness, long arms, too long arms. Yeah,

755
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's interesting and a Dkzama from from

756
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: Case State. I kind of like a lot. He's a

757
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: high motor guy. Derek Hall the same kind of way,

758
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: the fascinating one. You know, there's holes, got some burst

759
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: by the way, dude, dude, Derek Call, he's got some

760
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: speed off the edge man who I went to Missouri.

761
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: You don't have to tell me about that. He gave

762
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: us the business in the first quarter of that game,

763
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: if I recall. So, yeah, Derek Call. And he's a

764
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: high character guy from what I can tell. And you

765
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: know he's he's gonna give you a hundred percent effort

766
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: all the time. He's just a little stiff. He's just

767
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: not like a juicy edge rusher. But Will McDonald, however,

768
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: is and you know He's not for everybody either. You know,

769
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: it's the it's the Hassan Reddick body type and the

770
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: slimmer Brian Burns body type. So some teams are gonna

771
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: love that and he'll be in the first round picture

772
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: for them. Other teams won't, and they would, they probably

773
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: won't end up drafting them. All right, give me some

774
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: americ at home specials here. Give me some guys you

775
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: really like any position, anyone you want to bring up

776
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: some things you're hearing. I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna do

777
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: something that NFL dot Com does not have the guts

778
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 1: to do. I'm gonna give you an open floor. I'll

779
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: tell you to write about any say anything you want,

780
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna listen to you about this draft. Go ahead,

781
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna trying to give you a bunch

782
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: of little nuggets. Brian Burns. I don't know that. I

783
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: mean Brian Burns. Brian Um, I'm all messed up. Alabama.

784
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: We just talked about him, the Nickel guy Branch. Branch

785
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: I was saying, yeah, I had Brian Burns in my head.

786
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: My god, I don't know that. He goes round one.

787
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: His workout scared some tea pull off. Jordan Battle a

788
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: little bit of concern with him as well. So those

789
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: are two Bama guys who could go a little lower.

790
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on the Chargers for Bjen Robinson. Their

791
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: a team that I wouldn't be shocked if they kind

792
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: of make a move for him. Um. I think teams

793
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: feel okay about Tyree Wilson the past rush. Obviously it's

794
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: going to go ahead of where the Giants are at.

795
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: I think they there they feel a little bit better

796
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: about the medical stuff. Dalton kin Kai, the tight end

797
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: from Utah him love him as a player, but as

798
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: a receiver he gives the Yeah he tries, but let's

799
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: be honest, but they teams are anxious to see that

800
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: workout that he's planning because he wasn't able to go

801
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: with the pro day he had. You know, he'd hope

802
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: to be ready by then. It's a back, so it's

803
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: a worrisome thing. It was a fracture. Wasn't like a

804
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: fracture one of those little bones, right? Yeah? Six C seven,

805
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: I want to say, yeah. So, Um, A lot of

806
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: buzz for Paris Johnson Junior is tackle one. Broderick Jones

807
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: could end up being tackle three. Most teams see Scarronsky

808
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: as a guard, some tackle willing to try. Luke Musgrave,

809
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: the tight end from Oregon State. Don't be shocked if

810
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: he stays around until day two. I know there was

811
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: some top twenty five talk for him, but I think

812
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, he's gonna have to

813
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: wait a little bit. Here Drew Sanders to the linebacker

814
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: from Arkansas. There's some teams that are fascinated with him,

815
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: but do you take them round one? He is at

816
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: a value position at that spot. I don't they fascinated

817
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: because of the middle linebacker player, because of the past

818
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: rushability of past rushability. Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean,

819
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: you can use him. He's a three down linebacker, but yeah,

820
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: obviously that past rushability is like the States had kid

821
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: from Ohio State, and I'm blanking on his name right now,

822
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: had a you know, step right in and look the part.

823
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: He's got some similarities to him, but he's longer. I'm

824
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: just I'm blanking on him right in a thirty number thirty.

825
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: I know exactly you're talking about. He just came out

826
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: two years ago. Too many names. Yeah, yeah, you know

827
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about so just I don't know, just a

828
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: few things that I've just sort of been talking to

829
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: people about the last couple days. I know there's a

830
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: lot of information, But you told me to vomited out.

831
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: No I did. That was fantastic. Um quick, quick, quick,

832
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: rapid fire, really fast. Yeah, favorite mid round running back.

833
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: There's a million of them. Mm Roshan Johnson, Texas Bijean's backup,

834
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: let's go. I like him a lot. I like who

835
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: am I forget? And there's another good one there. I

836
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: move on to the next one. I'll think about somebody

837
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: else later. Yeah, okay, that's good. Give me your favorite

838
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: guard in the draft. Where you're gonna get value on

839
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: that position? Was all value is tricky because I wasn't

840
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: gonna say John Gaines, who had the big combine workout,

841
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, but value McLennan Curtis, the kid down to

842
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: the downomobile like that. I thought he looked pretty good,

843
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, from the Chattanooga I mean, I thought he

844
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: held his own. Anthony Bradford's his stock has really kind

845
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: of risen. I think as teams have seen how thin

846
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Speaker 1: guard is war he's towards acl you know, cher from

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Speaker 1: Alabama may go a little higher now, but saldave Arry,

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Speaker 1: But I really think of those guys that Bradford's gonna

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Speaker 1: rise and somebody like Curtis make it kind of lost

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Speaker 1: in the shuff a little bit. First inside linebacker off

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Speaker 1: the board. Yeah, that's a good question. That's a tricky

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Speaker 1: depends what you. I would say Sanders probably okay, but Campbell,

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Speaker 1: Jack Campbell from Iowa maybe or Trenton Simpson or do

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Speaker 1: you think people with them is as a will and

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Speaker 1: not a middle I I haven't talked anybody about Simpson

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Speaker 1: lately about but I think the athlete traits, he's more

857
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Speaker 1: of like you're probably your will linebacker if I had

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Speaker 1: a guess, see, teams kind of look at that position

859
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Speaker 1: a little differently than they used to, so it's constantly

860
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: having a kind of recalibrate. That's a good question. Diane

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Speaker 1: Henley from from Washington State's another one who could maybe

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Speaker 1: surprise people's good coverage. I'll go Sanders. I think someone's

863
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Speaker 1: gonna maybe take him a little higher than we expect.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's make believe Brian Branch is a slock corner.

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Speaker 1: Who's the first safety that gets taken? Oh? Good one?

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, assuming he's not the Yeah, because Jayar Brown

867
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Speaker 1: didn't work out the way we hoped. Antonio Johnson probably

868
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: people like him. People like him, they do. Yeah, I

869
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Speaker 1: think he's a good player. I don't know that he's

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Speaker 1: a game changer. The only one who really kind of

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Speaker 1: fascinates me to the point where I could, you know,

872
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Speaker 1: like Christopher Smith could be a good play Caravan Merryweather, Maryland.

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00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: I like a lot. Jason Taylor, the second from oak State,

874
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: but Jartavious Martin for Illinois. It's another name people might

875
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Speaker 1: want to file away. He's a corner, he's a nickel,

876
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: he's a safety. I would try him an outside corner,

877
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: but he's playing a lot at safety, so that maybe

878
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: his natural position. He had a really nice workout in Indy's.

879
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: He's one that may go a little bit higher than

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Speaker 1: some people think. All right, then I have to ask you,

881
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: just because I have you, who's getting picked first. Overall,

882
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: my initial reaction when that trade went down, I tweeted it.

883
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I think it's stroud. I just have

884
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: a feeling and that kind of felt like the buzz

885
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Speaker 1: for a while. I try not to listen all the

886
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Speaker 1: daily updates because I know somewhere baked in there is

887
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Speaker 1: a song or two that I don't need to know

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00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: the lyrics of, you know. So I'm gonna stick with

889
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: Stroud because I haven't heard anything concrete lately that says

890
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: it's definitely Bryce Young. But they claim they're they're they're

891
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: doing their work on him. They say that Josh m

892
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: Account supposedly likes him better than Straube. This is all

893
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: different from what I had heard before. So I'm willing

894
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: to admit I don't always get, you know, the pristine

895
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: information on every prospect. I don't know. I think Straube,

896
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. And then I'll just stick on

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Last question, Yeah, does anyone trade up for

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00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: a quarterback? And if so, whom I think so? I

899
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: don't know what the cults are going to do. They

900
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Speaker 1: are sitting there at four spot, man, I think they

901
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: hate that spot. They'd either rather be you know, one

902
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: or twentieth right, And that's a that's a tricky one.

903
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: I wonder if Chris Ballard is he's sitting back thinking

904
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: of any way he can to not trade up and

905
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: helpe you know, they get the right result at four.

906
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: But that's the you know, that's that would be the

907
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: first possibility Levis, though, you know, if he starts sliding

908
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: a little bit, don't watch Vikings, Yeah, or if the

909
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Speaker 1: Titans pass on with the Raiders pass on him, you know,

910
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's it's he's gonna go

911
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: into a kind of a Noman zone there for a

912
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: little bit. So if not the Colts, who do you

913
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Speaker 1: think would look up to go to three? If anyone?

914
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: Maybe one of those teams I just mentioned either Tennessee

915
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: or or or almost said Oakland Las Vegas. I know

916
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: it sounds crazy, people. Did they just signed Jimmy Garoppolo? Yes, year,

917
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: but yeah, essentially a one year deal hurt every single year,

918
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Speaker 1: like love Jimmy right does does what you need to do,

919
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: but always hurt. Um. I'm sorry, I don't think you

920
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: can count on him as to be your your seventeen

921
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: game starter. I really think they're they're they're looking really hard,

922
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Speaker 1: and I think Richardson has to fascinate him. I think

923
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Speaker 1: Levis interests them. So keep an eye on the Raiders,

924
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: all right, Eric, tell the folks waiting to find all

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Speaker 1: your stuff. NFL dot com. It's the easiest website for

926
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Speaker 1: any football fan, and remember that's why I signed up

927
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Speaker 1: for the team. And yeah, man, drafts closing in soon.

928
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Speaker 1: It's hard to believe this year's guy is flown by.

929
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, when when this airs, we are going to

930
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: be exactly three weeks out, So buckle up. It's coming fast, man.

931
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Speaker 1: And I think I'm getting to the point now where

932
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Speaker 1: I haven't gone to all the guys I want to. Again,

933
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 1: I'm closing it on a hundred, but I haven't gotten

934
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, but at this point you almost just want

935
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Speaker 1: to just start seeing guys get picked. Like it's I know,

936
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Speaker 1: if we could just get like a pick a day

937
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: or something, you know, just the gig get it going right,

938
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Speaker 1: you know. It's like one of those long term that

939
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Speaker 1: is drafts. Everyone draft by email email draft Yeah exactly, Eric,

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Speaker 1: good stuff. That always good to see your brother, all right, buddy,

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Speaker 1: Good time. Other episode of the John Subtle Podcast brought

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Speaker 1: to you by PSC and Gee, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us for our again. Hold my I am John Schmulk.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody