1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: That's promises. We are talking to Gary Jay Burn. The 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: book is called Crisis of Character. It is selling like hotcakes. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: Many of you may have heard mister Burn over the 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: last month to six weeks doing interviews about this book 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: and who he is, why he wrote this, these sorts 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: of things. I'm going to presume that some of our 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: audience has heard those interviews and try to go beyond that, 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: particularly including including some of the media criticism, because much 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: of the media has refused to talk to him and 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: yet has gone out of their way to criticize the book, 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: which seems a bit odd, doesn't it? 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: All? 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 3: Right? 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: Gary Byrne, author of Crisis of Character, Gary, why did 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: you write this book about Hillary Clinton? What did you 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: intend to accomplish? 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: Well, I want to the American people know who the 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: real Hillary Clinton is. You know, we're always hearing politicians, 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: government employees talk about transparency, transparency, transparent to this and 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 3: you know, after twenty nine years in the federal government, 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: I saw a lot of things that weren't transparent, and 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 3: one of them is to who the real Heroly Clinton is. 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: Now to really keep it in perspective, you know, you 24 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: mentioned some of my detractors, people who are bashing me. 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: You know, the one thing I'd like to your listeners 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: to know is the way I got here, so to speak, 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: is I was the first employee in the history of 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 3: the Secret Service to ever be compelled to testify against 29 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 3: the sitting president in a criminal case. And that was 30 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: the Monothelawinsky case. And there was actually subpainted six times. 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: And then eventually, after about four or five months, I 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: was ordered to test as the Chief of the Supreme Court, 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: Judge Innquist. Not something I wanted on my resume. But 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: with that said, this isn't about getting even It's about 35 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: getting the truth out. It's about two years ago, year 36 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: and a half ago, I realized missus Clinton was going 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: to run for office again. I was at the end 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: of my career. I never thought I would tell this story. 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: I thought I would take these stories to my grave, 40 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: which is what most people expected. But I decided then 41 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: now my mission is to just to get the truth out. 42 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 3: This is who the real Hillary Clinton is. If you 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: still want to vote for fine, that's your conscience, not mining. 44 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: But that's why I wrote the book. 45 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: Let's bounce around a little. I heard an interview that 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: you gave. It was a National Show. I can't remember 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: which one, but you talked about testifying, and at that 48 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: moment I made a mark to myself. I knew I 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: was going to be talking to you. I wanted to 50 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: go to and let's do that. Let's transport ourselves to 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: the moment that you get a subpoena. How does that 52 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: come in? What are your thoughts? Who else has to 53 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: be consulted? Because, as you noted, this is a case 54 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: of first impression. We've never had this happen before, so 55 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: walk me through that. 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's go a little bit further before the subenias. 57 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 3: I'm out of the Secret Service Training Center at the time. 58 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: I'm working on the security detail. I transferred from the 59 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: White House a little time a little before that. So 60 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: a couple of year and a half has gone by 61 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: since you know, the Monica Lewinsky stuff. Two years now. 62 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: The story is gonna break now, the story comes out, 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: it leaks out like it always does. And I'm driving 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: down the New Jersey Turnpike on my way back to 65 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: the Secret Service Training Center in Maryland, and I hear 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: Howard Stern listening to Howard Stern. I hear Howard Stern 67 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: talked about Mike, excuse me, the judge report breaking a 68 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: story about Bill Clinton and an affair with an intern, 69 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: Monica Winston Well. I almost drew up the car off 70 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: the side of the road. I pulled over and I 71 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: threw up. I knew we were screwed. I was with 72 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: two supervisors and they were like, Oh, I don't see 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: the big deal because we never myself and these other officers, 74 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: especially me, and we never told people what was going on. 75 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: We never told people what we saw. That was the 76 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: beginning of the of the incredible pressure and downhills fly 77 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: for me. So then you go fast forward to what 78 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: you talked about when I got When we got back 79 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: that day, I pulled my one supervisor aside at the 80 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: office and I said, listen, I need you to do 81 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: me a favorite. I need you to contact the chiefs, 82 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: go through the chain of command, whatever you want to 83 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: do that this is gonna blow up in our faces 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: and we're all gonna be involved in this. And he 85 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: kind of rolled his eyes at me and told me 86 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: I was making a big deal out of nothing. And 87 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: a little a little while later he came back to me, 88 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: he said, you know, I gave a second thought to 89 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: what you said, and I made the phone call. So 90 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 3: I went home. When I got home, my wife said, 91 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: the chief called. And you know, it's not every day 92 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: that a Uniform Division officer gets a phone call from 93 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: the chief of the Uniform Vision. So you know, I 94 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: called him back. His wife got on the phone. He 95 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: was very nice. The first thing he said was Gerry, 96 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: for God's sake, whatever you do, don't tell me anything. 97 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: So I said, okay, Chief, he said, you know, just 98 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: I want you to know that I'm in contact with 99 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: the Legal Counsel's Office of the Secret Service. They're gonna 100 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: take it from here, and you're gonna let me know 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: what you need from us, and you know, hang in there, 102 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: and you know. And that was that. So that was 103 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: the beginning of it, and it just spiraled completely out 104 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: of control. There was about twenty people originally subpoena and 105 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: then because of testimony that the Judge Starr's investigation had 106 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: gotten from former employees of the Clintons who I guess 107 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: had an axe to grind. They they they've eventually focused 108 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 3: on me and a couple other officers because they were 109 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: because of the access that we had. We worked in 110 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: the old we worked outside the oval office. We worked 111 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: in the West Wing. We were we had a good 112 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: rapport with the Clinton staff and the Clintons of themselves 113 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: to a certain extent as far as their senior staff, 114 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: and and so they knew if there was anything going on, 115 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 3: we knew. They believe that's what they knew, and they 116 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: were right. And and the pressure was incredible. I you know, 117 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: there was there was. The Secret Service contacted us, and 118 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: basically our lives was changed traumatically. For months, I stopped 119 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: going to my regular job. I would go to the 120 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 3: training center, drop my car off, I'd take a government car, 121 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: and I drove downtown DC to Secret Service headquarters and 122 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: I started we start with introductions who I was. You know, 123 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 3: they introduced me to the Secret Service attorneys who worked 124 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: for the Secret Service, but they were government lawyers, and 125 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: they made it very clear that nobody had attorney attorney 126 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 3: client privilege because we're all government employees. That was the 127 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: first craziness. The second craziness was is that every week 128 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: the rules changed what I could say, what I couldn't say. 129 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: And then when they started talking to me about what 130 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: we did. And this is where it really gets funny, 131 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: because when you hear people slanger me and say, oh, 132 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 3: I never could have access. Well, it was the stuff 133 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: that we did. It was so important for the security 134 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: of the president and classified material that I couldn't even 135 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: tell these lawyers at first what it was we did 136 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: and some of the procedures because I didn't know if 137 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: they had a high enough clearance, and so they had 138 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 3: to actually go take a tour. The heads of the 139 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: Secret Service had to give them a tour one late 140 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: one night. They kind of not stuck them in there, 141 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: but they went in late one night, showed them what 142 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: it was we did, talked about the things that, you know, 143 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: that they needed to know, and then we could talk 144 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: about it. But once I discussed it with them, we 145 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: couldn't discuss it with any other other lawyers because then 146 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: we had the other lawyers from the government that were 147 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: from the Justice Department, and they were split into two teams. 148 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: They were the team that were trying to supposedly help us, 149 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: and then there was the team that was trying to 150 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: crucify us because they wanted to get President Bill Clinton 151 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: because they you know, and everybody thinks it was about sex, 152 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: it wasn't. It was about perjury. It was about suborning perjury. 153 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: Bill Clinton signed an affidavit saying that he never had 154 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: contact with Monica Lewinsky, and he signed and then the 155 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 3: Affidavid also said they were never in a room alone together. 156 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: She signed the same thing. The only reason she's not 157 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: in jail, Monica Lewinsky, is because she made a deal 158 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: with the FBI. And so that's how it started. And 159 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: it was incredibly the pressure office was unreal, And I 160 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: did you know what a lot of people do when 161 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: you're that age and you're under pressure, You know, you 162 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: work out harder, you hold it inside, and you hope 163 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: for the best. 164 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: Thirty seconds before the end of the segment, how old 165 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: were you at that moment? 166 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: It was about thirty five or so, thirty three? 167 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: About thirty three, all right, We're going to continue our 168 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: conversation with Gary Byrne. He's the author of the best 169 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: selling Crisis of a Character. Ant This is an interesting 170 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: look into one of the two presidential candidates while she 171 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: was in the White House, and I think it gives 172 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: us an opportunity to learn a lot about her. Now 173 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: Michael Berry's show, we're talking to Gary Byrne. He's the 174 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: author of Crisis of Character. It is one man's perspective 175 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: on what he saw about Hillary and Bill during the 176 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky era. Exactly what was your position and title, Gary, 177 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: and if you could go from there into you talked 178 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: about that. People have criticized that you didn't actually have 179 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: much access, that you were standing so far out that 180 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: you didn't see what was going on. Can you have 181 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: that discussion? 182 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: Sure? It started actually before they got there. I was 183 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 3: trained during George Harbor walker Bush's presidency the end of 184 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 3: his presidency to work inside the West Wing. Once you 185 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: when you want to go in, when you want to 186 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: work at these posts in the West Wing, the ground 187 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: floor of the West Wing outside the Oval office, the 188 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 3: West Wing lobby, and the post in the mansion, you 189 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 3: you actually get they have a separate interview with the 190 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 3: Watch commanders that you'll be working with. They're usually captains, 191 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: and they interview you and they're looking for a certain 192 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: type of person, looking for somebody to get the job done, 193 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: who's diplomatic but won't buckle under pressure from a protectee, 194 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: you know, and make sure they're protected. And so anyway, 195 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: I applied for it, I got accepted, I took the training. 196 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: Why did you want that job? 197 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 3: It just it looked like the place to be. I mean, 198 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: standing outside the Oval Office. I mean to me, that 199 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: was like, you know, standing on the edge of the 200 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: first cloud in Heaven. It was just it was where 201 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: all the action was. You know, I had already been 202 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: in the Air Force as a security policeman. I had 203 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 3: already locked up people, had already been beat up, made arrest, 204 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: been thrown up on. I'd already done that stuff. This 205 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: was a very nice, clean, controlled environment. I didn't think 206 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: anything could go at the time. 207 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: What was the first moment you realized, uh, oh, these 208 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: people aren't above board, this, this could be, this could 209 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: compromise me. 210 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, actually, very early in ninety one, when George 211 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: Herbert worker Bush is still president, you know, he's running 212 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: against Bill Clinton or vice versa. And so I'm down 213 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 3: in Arkansas on this detail. And we're right on the 214 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: board of Arkansas and I think at one point earlier 215 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: in the day but actually in Memphis, Tennessee. But anyway, 216 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: we're in Arkansas and I'm on post with this local 217 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: share for like six hours and very nice guy, and 218 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 3: we're talking, and uh, we're talking and he says, he said, 219 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: you know, I said, uh, I don't think this guy, 220 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 3: this Bill Clinton is governor. You're is There's no way 221 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: this guy can become president. Look at all these rumors 222 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 3: about scandaling women and you know, the supposed drug use, 223 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: and there's no way. And this guy looked at me 224 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: right in the eye, look it through me, he said, Gary, 225 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: let me tell you something about these people. They can 226 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: spin manure in the gold, he said. They. He goes, 227 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 3: they there's a reason we call them the Arkansas office. 228 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: He goes. Believe everything you hear about them. And if 229 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: he runs for office, he will win. He'll be there 230 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: for eight years, mark my words. He said, these people 231 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: are unbelievable. True, it was true. 232 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: I think it's it's no less true today what those 233 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: people are capable of doing. 234 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: No. 235 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 236 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: So then talk about the access because that's one of 237 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: the things that mean our outlets have attacked you for 238 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: where were you and how much did you see on 239 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: a day to day basis? 240 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: So basically, if you were today shift, you came in, 241 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: you know, the ship started at like six o'clock in 242 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: the morning and you fell in for roll call around 243 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: five there. I used to come in a like four 244 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: point thirty in the morning, so I could get a 245 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: workout in first, and I go to posts, and you 246 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 3: know basically what you did when you came in early 247 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: in the morning. My post was right outside the Oval office. 248 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: There was a small chest of drawers like a cudenza there, 249 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: and it was made especially. It had alarms in it. 250 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: There was also a safe in the bottom of the cadenza, 251 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: just to think a piece of furniture. But you know, 252 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: when you opened up the bottom drawer there there was 253 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: a safe in there. There was extra equipment for emergencies 254 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: and that kind of stuff. And you came in, you 255 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: checked the alarm board. When you relieved the officer for midnights, 256 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: he closed all the doors. He closed the cabinet room doors, 257 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: the doors in the presidents Secretary's office, the Oval office doors. 258 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: You secured all the doors and then you let yourself 259 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: back in and you walk through the whole suite from 260 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: the back of the dining room to the back of 261 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 3: the cutter room, and you made sure there was nothing wrong. 262 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: There was nothing left out, nothing leaking. You know, you 263 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: check the bathrooms and you made sure the place was 264 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: ready to be used by the president, and you check 265 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 3: for any which is one of your primary jobs. There 266 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: was that if there's any Class five material left out, 267 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: you picked it up and you secured it, and then 268 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: you notified that that person or the president's assistant when 269 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: they came in. So that kind of stuff happened from 270 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: time to time. That's why we were boasted back. So 271 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: then after you do you do that check, you open 272 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: everything back up, You put the rope across the door, 273 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: you open the oval office door, and you wait for 274 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: the president to show off, and you watch everything that happens. 275 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: You make sure that people come by have passes. When 276 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: there's a problem with somebody getting in. When your coworkers 277 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: out on the perimeter have problems with someone checking somebody in, 278 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: they called me. I checked with the president's secretary, you know, 279 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: and vice versa. And that's how that's how I kind 280 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 3: of got the relationship to that did because whenever there 281 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: were problems, and I wasn't the only officer there. There 282 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: was about six of us, roughly two day work, two afternoons. 283 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: People We rotated an hour on, an hour off, sometimes 284 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: too on, too off, depending like if you wanted to 285 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: go have a long lunch or work out. And then 286 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: the midnight guy was just one guy. And we know 287 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: we we had. There were special guidelines, like when stuff happened, 288 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: you didn't write it down. When you worked there, you 289 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 3: went to this certain inspector and you really ate stuff 290 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: that they needed to know in person, you didn't. You 291 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: didn't do a lot of memos when you worked outside 292 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: the Oval Office, and that was one of the requirements. 293 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: You know. They not that they're trying to hide anything, 294 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: but they didn't want things get out of control, which 295 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: you know eventually they do sometimes. It was a great job. 296 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: I saw the greatest things. I talked about it in 297 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: my book. Unfortunately I can only put a small part 298 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: in about that. But I saw some of the coolest 299 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: things happen, you know, not just the scandal, but you know, 300 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: I watched a woman that was one hundred and fifteen 301 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: years old walk into the Oval Office and rebuild built 302 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: Clinton and the asked that he was standing by the 303 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: resolute desk was the same age as she was. Woe, 304 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: and it was just fascinating stuff. Wow. 305 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: Gary Bourne is the author of Crisis of Character. The 306 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: only reason to me the Monica Lewinsky issue matters. I mean, 307 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: it's a morality issue where people can decide, you know, 308 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: how salacious and awful these things were that happened, But 309 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: I leave that to individuals. But whether he lied or not, 310 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: in a word, did he lie about Monica Lewinsky? 311 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: Tell me he did. Yes, he absolutely did lie, and 312 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 3: so did she. That's why they that's why the judge 313 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: Stark could go forward, because they believed they had the information. 314 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 3: Bill Clinton signed an out for David saying that he 315 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: never had contact or was alone with Monica Lewinsky, and 316 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: it turned out not to be true. How do you 317 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: know that? What's that? 318 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: How do you know that? How can you absolutely certainly 319 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: know that? 320 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: Because he admitted to it later on. Here's here's how 321 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: it happened. Because Monica Lewinsky, one of her one of 322 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: her interludes with the president, one of their times where 323 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 3: they were together, she got some of his fluid on 324 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: him on a dress. She kept that dress, and then 325 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: later on, when she started spilling her guts to her 326 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: friend Linda Tripp, Linda Tripp suggested, you know, that she 327 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 3: give her the dress to secure it in case something 328 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: ever happened to Monika or whatever. And and so Linda 329 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: Tripp had to dress with the President's DNA DNA on it. 330 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: And so she contacted the FBI because she knew her 331 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: friend was getting in trouble. She had the whiskey, told 332 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: Trip that she was basically had signed this aff of 333 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: Dated's lying, saying they never had this relationship. You know, 334 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: how do you have not have relationships with some man 335 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: but you get his man fluid on your left? 336 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: In this segment, Gary, did you ever see her go 337 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: behind closed doors alone with Bill Clinton? 338 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes I did, and that's what I testified to 339 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: I did. Yep. 340 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: So there is no doubt in your mind, leaving aside 341 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: what was found on the dress, the behavior you would 342 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: say is consistent with what you always expected. 343 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, they had no relationship. I tried to give 344 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: him the benefit of the doubt. If your lead readers 345 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: are nice enough to ever read my book, I tried 346 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: to give him the benefit of the doubt. And I 347 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: talked about two times in the book where I actually 348 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: tried to help him. You know, I wasn't covering up 349 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: evidence because at the time I didn't know there was 350 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: an investigation. But two times I did things where I 351 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 3: tried to protect him, protect Gary hole with me. 352 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: I'm up against a break. More of a conversation with 353 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: Gary Byrne, author of Crisis of Character, coming. 354 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: Up Southern Pride. Southern Pride to Michael Barry Show. 355 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this interview for a while. 356 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: Gary Byrne is the author of Crisis of Character, about 357 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: what went on in the Clinton White House. He had 358 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: firsthand knowledge, he was there. Gary, I want to focus. 359 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: I want to turn our focus to Hillary Clinton. As 360 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: interesting as the Bill Clinton stuff is, and obviously you 361 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: were there to witness it. What was your title while 362 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: working right outside Bill Clinton's door? 363 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 3: I was the Secret Service Uniform Division officer and my 364 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: post was the post six, the over office post. 365 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: Talk to me about Hillary's role, you know, how often 366 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: did she come and meet with Bill? How often was 367 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: she in on important meetings? On her role as a 368 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: first lady outside the traditional norms of being a first lady. 369 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: What what did you witness? 370 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you basically you hit the nail on the head. 371 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: You know, traditionally the first lady is the head of 372 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 3: the East Wing, the social Office. But missus Clinton, you know, 373 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 3: they kept counting her as this, you know, brilliant lawyer, 374 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: which you know, if anybody does any investigation into word 375 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: find out that's really not the case. But anyway, this 376 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: lawyer that came from the Rose Law firm in Arkansas, 377 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: and she assumed a lot of power and an important position, 378 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 3: and there was no accountability to her. She had an 379 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: office over in the Legal Council's office on the second 380 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: floor of the West Lang, which was not normal. And 381 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 3: so the first thing she tried to tackle that I remember, 382 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 3: was universal health care. And you know, whether you believe 383 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: in it or not, you have to look at don't 384 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 3: look at the fact that it failed or that they 385 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 3: tried to get it, Look at the way she tried 386 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: to do it. She did it behind closed doors in 387 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 3: the Roosevelt Room. I stood outside the Roosevelt Room. The 388 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: Roosevelt Room was right across the hallway from n Oval office. 389 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: It's six feet at the most. Many many times myself 390 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: and my coworkers stood post outside the Oval office and 391 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 3: watched these people meet day in and day out in 392 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 3: the Roosevelt Room behind closed doors. And everybody in the 393 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: world in Congress knew it, and they weren't getting any 394 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: information out there. Tried to do it in secret. And 395 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: that's my point. Don't look at what was they tried 396 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: to do. Look how they tried to do it. They 397 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 3: tried to do everything in secret, and then when it failed, 398 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 3: she had nobody else to blame but herself. But she 399 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 3: lasted out at all these other people. And and that's 400 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: just the Hillary Clinton modus operandi. You know, she makes 401 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 3: these crazy decisions, she tries to do stuff in secret, 402 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 3: and then when it blows up, she blames everybody else. 403 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: She gets wrapped around the axle and blames everybody else. 404 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: And I say many examples in my book Crisis of 405 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: Character along those same lines where she's just so hostile 406 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 3: towards the employees. If you saw your doctor, or your dentist, 407 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: or even the guy that fixed your car treating his 408 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: employees like this, you would never go to them again. 409 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: What would be an example of bad behavior or directives? 410 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: We're talking to Gary Byrne, author of Crisis of Character. 411 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 3: One of the one of the women that used to 412 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: work with her in the Lows Rose Law firm came, 413 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: you know, worked in the East wing. And there was 414 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: three women in this particular story. There were three women 415 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: and they were off of Arkansas, and like I said, 416 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: one of them worked in the Rose Law firm with 417 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: missus Clinton, and they had one of them made a 418 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: mistake they had, and they had given a job to 419 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 3: an intern to do, and the job was the order 420 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: stationary for the White House for like the next four 421 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 3: years while the Clintons were there. It was their first term. 422 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 3: And it's tens and tens of thousands of invitations that 423 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: go out all over the world for different White House functions. Well, 424 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: the intern had made a mistake and the invitations were 425 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: ordered and delivered and they were useless. There was a 426 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 3: mistake there and they couldn't use them, and it wasted 427 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars. That's not what they 428 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: were upset about. What they were terrified of was who 429 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: was going to tell Who werey Clinton, somebody they'd been 430 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 3: working with for years and supposedly we're friends with. They 431 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 3: were terrified of telling her because the one lady said 432 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: to me, I worked with it the Rose Law Firm, 433 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: and I know what's going to happen. She gets she 434 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: yells and screams, and she always wants to fire somebody. 435 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: And that's what they were really They were debating who 436 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 3: was going to tell her and who was going back 437 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 3: to Arkansas, and they were terrified of her. Now that's 438 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: turned out the one lady who was from Arkansas. Another 439 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: person took the well, she didn't take the blame for 440 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 3: but she went and told Missus Clinton. This woman's name 441 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: was Robin, and she had a pretty high position. And 442 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 3: nobody lost their jaws because Robin intervened. But these women 443 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: were really concerned about this, and based on what I 444 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 3: had seen before and what I saw all those years after, 445 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: you know, they were exactly right. And that's the way 446 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 3: she acts. 447 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: So let's assume she's a bad person to the staff. Yeah, 448 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: let's assume Bill was frightened hover of her. That's not 449 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: reason enough not to vote against her. What about her 450 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: bothered you most. I don't like people that treat those 451 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: around them badly. 452 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: But what bothered you? Here's why. Here's why. I think 453 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: that is the reason that they vote for because that 454 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 3: same mentality that you saw is the reason is one 455 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: of the reasons. Now I wasn't there, so I get this, 456 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 3: but hear me out. When the incident happened in Benghazi, 457 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: for thirteen hours, a handful of men and women fought 458 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: with about one hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment because 459 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: Missus Clinton and her staff wouldn't make a decision to 460 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: save these people. They fought for thirteen hours while there 461 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: were hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment sitting 462 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 3: around the country, and then and women ready to go 463 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: rescue them. It's the same mentality. She gets wrapped around 464 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: the axle. She can't think straight. She worries about what 465 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 3: the problem is instead of fixing it. A real leader 466 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: would have fixed that problem, would have got them the 467 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 3: help they need it, and it wouldn't have been a 468 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 3: disaster that it was. Or in the first place, she 469 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: wouldn't have sent them there, or she would have listened 470 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: to the six hundred or more requests for more security 471 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 3: and equipment, but it was all ignored. That is the 472 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: same person I'm talking about, and that is that mentality. 473 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: What was the response they've claimed Folks on the media 474 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: have claimed that you've been shunned by other law enforcement 475 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: official and colleagues and things. 476 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: What is the truth. 477 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: I haven't been shown by any law enforcement. I'm getting 478 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: all kinds of messages. I mean, they're not coming out 479 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 3: in public and support me. But I didn't ask anybody to, 480 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: and I wouldn't. I purposely wrote my book without telling 481 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: anybody that I ever worked with. I never asked anybody 482 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 3: for any information from the Secret Service employees that I 483 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 3: worked with or the Air Marshals that I worked with, 484 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: because I wanted to give them complete deniability, and because 485 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 3: I know how vindictive the Clintons are. I know how 486 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 3: vindictive homeland security can be, and I know how vindictive 487 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: and retaliatory the Secret Service mentality is and the Air 488 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 3: Marshal mentality. 489 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: Have you felt that vindictiveness is? There is there a 490 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: point you can you can look, you can direct us 491 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: to and you say, this just doesn't happen otherwise the. 492 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: Former Secret Service Agents Association has come out and slandered me. 493 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: Just think they slandered me eighteen years ago when the 494 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 3: story first happened. Trying to say this is a funny, 495 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 3: kind of a funny point, but it makes a very 496 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: good point. When the subpoena started flying back going to 497 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: Lewinsky scandal, this Retired Secret Service Agents Associated came out, 498 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 3: association came out. 499 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Gary, I managed the time awfully. We have 500 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: one more segment hole with me. We'll go right to it. 501 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: The Michael Berry Show. 502 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: Our guest is Gary Byrne, and he's trying to tell 503 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: an interesting story, but I keep mismanaging the clock. We 504 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: are back, it's our last segment. He's the author of 505 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: Crisis of Character. We're talking about the former Secret Service 506 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: officers and what exactly has been said about him from 507 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: his colleagues and from law enforcement and from these organizations. 508 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: Just pick up, if you would, where you left off. 509 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: Sure, So this Retired Secret Service Agents Association during the 510 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: Monica Lewinsky case came out with slandering myself and the 511 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: other officers. Oh, we don't have that kind of access. 512 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: And these guys, whether they knew what they were talking 513 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: about or not, which they obviously didn't, of old goats 514 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: that hadn't you know, touched the handgun in twenty years. 515 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 3: The truth of the matter is is that the reason 516 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: that we were pushed forward to testify is because the 517 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 3: high ups of the Secret Service, who knew exactly what 518 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 3: we knew, didn't want to testify in front of ken 519 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: stars grand jury. They protected themselves, so they made a 520 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: deal with the Treasury Department and with Judge Starr's office, 521 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: and they propelled us forward. The guys that round the 522 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 3: Secret Service could have told them exactly what they wanted 523 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: to know, and then more. But they propelled us forward. 524 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 3: So we did what we were asked to do. We 525 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: did the right thing. We were honest, you know, we 526 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: were sworn in, and we did the right thing. This 527 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: agency came out, this Retired Secret Service Agency Association came out, 528 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 3: slanders them, and then the Secret Service had to go 529 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: to them and tell them to shut up before Judge 530 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 3: Star changed his mind, and of course they did, and 531 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: then you know what happened happened, and then you fast forward. 532 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 3: I decided that I want to write my story, I said, 533 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 3: and this is you know, I don't want to mislead anybody. 534 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: This story is also about my life and how the 535 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: Clintons crashed into my life and vice versa. And I 536 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: wanted to tell my story because I want the American 537 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: people to know the truth about Hillary Clinton. And these 538 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: are coming out for me again, but now I can 539 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: pint them back and I am serving them and David 540 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 3: Brock and medium matters with decease letters. But the funny 541 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: thing is is these brave Secret Service agents from the 542 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 3: Retirement Association are dodging my subpoenia, are my letters of 543 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 3: decease and desists, and they're hiding in their basements and 544 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 3: the Service can't find them, and they're chasing them all 545 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 3: over the country. So it's kind of funny to watch now. 546 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: Gary Byrne is the author of Crisis of Character. Why 547 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: not write this book sixteen years ago? 548 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: Well, because I said I wouldn't. I was still an 549 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 3: active police officer at that time. I was still with 550 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: the Secret Service. I only left federal service this past March. 551 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: I started writing the book about a year and a 552 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 3: half before that. And I were talking, I mean, I 553 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: could have stayed another five years, but I feel so adamant. 554 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll be honest with you. I was exhausted. 555 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 3: I mean, twenty nine years as a federal cop is 556 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 3: a long time, and my last thirteen years was as 557 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: an air marshal. I loved the job, but it was exhausted. 558 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 3: It was time to write the book and tell my 559 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 3: side of the story. And again you have to remember, 560 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 3: you know when people say, oh, you know you couldn't 561 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 3: have that kind of access, Okay, well then why was 562 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 3: that subpoena? Six times? And I ended up testifying that's. 563 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: A position to be in. Let me ask you when 564 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: you first got the subpoena. You said earlier in our discussion, 565 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: you said that when you received the subpoena, your response was, 566 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: we were screwed. Why were you worried about your position 567 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: because you knew you hadn't done anything wrong. 568 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 3: And I had witnessed what I got. I mean, it's 569 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: just you know, picture in your mind. You know you've 570 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: seen these things happen. You find out this investigation is 571 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: going on, and you know you have the mind of 572 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: a cop. I looked at everything as an investigation. I 573 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: looked at what's happening, you know, what's going on. What 574 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: are the ramifications, What are the ramifications right now, fifteen 575 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 3: minutes from now, and fifteen years from now, and what 576 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: I had seen in the witness And I'll be honest 577 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: with all the crazy stuff that I saw, I never 578 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: thought it would be a woman that would take these 579 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: guys down because I saw a lot of other stuff. Now, 580 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 3: I don't talk about it in my book. There's some 581 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 3: stuff that I'll never talk about. I'll I will take 582 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: to the grave. There's only fifty percent that I put 583 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 3: into the book because I thought it was pertinent telling story, 584 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: and in some cases the stories kind of damage other people, 585 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 3: and I just don't think they need to be beat 586 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: up anymore. So, you know, there's only a half of 587 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 3: what you know I could talk about, but I'm not 588 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: purposely talking about it. 589 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: But I knew go ahead, Gary. There has been a 590 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: lot of speculation that Hillary knew, if not about specific 591 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: incidents like Monica Lewinsky, but that she was complicit in 592 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: Bill's dalliance as long as he kept them discreet. Do 593 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: you believe that's true. 594 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 3: I do. I do up with one exception, one exception 595 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: at one point her only in my opinion, when I 596 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 3: observed her. Only the reason she cared that when he 597 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 3: got caught is because it damaged the Clinton brand that 598 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 3: the Clinton named two. I don't think she actually believed 599 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: that he would have an affair with a girl that 600 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: was only a few years older than your daughter, basically 601 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: in the same place that they were living. You know, 602 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 3: Monica Lewinsky was twenty one, almost about twenty one or 603 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 3: twenty two years old at the time. I don't I 604 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 3: didn't think she thought that he would stoop that low. 605 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 3: And then I do know this for a fact that 606 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 3: the way she found out that it was true was 607 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 3: his lawyer had to come over. His lawyer walked over 608 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: from the West wing one night to the mansion and 609 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: told her, and then it's funny the next time, I 610 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: like that weekend that Sunday after he told him, I 611 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 3: told missus Clinton that it was true. They went to 612 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 3: Camp David, and when they came back, there was a 613 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: picture of them walking off the helicopter and as they 614 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 3: walked to the bottom of the steps, Bill Clinton grabbed 615 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 3: her hand like they always did, and you should just 616 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 3: seeing a look on her face. It's you know, you 617 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 3: could probably find the tape on YouTube somewhere. 618 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: It's chilling. 619 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. 620 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Gary Gary Byrne is the author of Crisis of Character. 621 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: It's a bestseller right now. There there has been discussion 622 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: that she threw a lamp at him, that she raged 623 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: in his presence, that he was sort of bowed before her. 624 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: Did you ever witness anything like that related to Monica 625 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: Lewinsky or anything else. 626 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know that I ever witnessed her raging. 627 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 3: I don't know what she was raising about in some cases, 628 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 3: But the two I do know about, I tell two stories, 629 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 3: and there's always been a story floating around that she 630 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 3: threw a base at him, or broke a vase or 631 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 3: la it was extra base. And the story is I 632 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: came in to work one morning and that the houseman 633 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 3: and some of the sigare service people going off shift. 634 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 3: It told me that they had a huge argument the 635 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 3: night before, and I don't know what sparked it, but 636 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 3: they had a fight so loud upstairs and living all 637 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: this streaming and yelling was coming down the steps in 638 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: the elevator chare and at some point during the fight 639 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: there was a crashing step and when it was investigator 640 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: later on, they found this broken blue vase. Now, as 641 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 3: soon as my coworker told me the story, I walked 642 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: right down the hallway to the curator's office. When the 643 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: curator's office is the place where there are the people 644 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: that take care of the artwork and artifacts in the 645 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 3: White House, because it's basically a working museum. So I 646 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 3: walked in, looked into the curator's office stuck behind in 647 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: the doors, this really small office, and sure enough, there 648 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 3: in a cardboard box was a broken based blue mostly 649 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: blue some way in about seven pieces in a cardboard box. 650 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: So then later on when I went back over to 651 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 3: the mansion, excuse me, back over to the west wing, 652 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 3: the president came over later on, and he had this 653 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: black mark under his eye now and he was clearly 654 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 3: trying to conceal it with makeup. They'd make up that 655 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 3: who would wear huge TV. And so the facts are 656 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 3: that there was a very bad loud flight, there was 657 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: a broken vase. I saw the broken vase, and then 658 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: later on when President Clinton came over to the Oval Office, 659 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 3: there was a black mark under his eye. He was 660 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 3: clearly trying to conceal with makeup. 661 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: Gary Byrne, appreciate your time, appreciate your sharing your experiences 662 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: with you, and I know a lot of our listeners 663 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: are going to want to read Crisis of Character in bookstores, 664 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: on Amazon and anywhere else you buy books. 665 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: Thank you, buddy,