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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like playing in Arizona, it was it was like

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Speaker 2: On TV point good point. Yeah, So I'm like, man, Arizona.

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Speaker 3: And then when I go out there, like I remember

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to get other dudes like to play

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Speaker 1: Because when you feel like you're playing with your brother

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Speaker 3: So I think in football it's a little more difficult

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Speaker 3: There's there's one guy in the locker room who you

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Speaker 2: Tear the whole great point.

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Speaker 2: Run the team.

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Speaker 3: When you win championships, players players that run the team.

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Speaker 2: That's beautiful. Like, and I'm no distrest.

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Speaker 3: I've had some great coaches, But if a coach has

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Speaker 4: You get a bad team, your.

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Speaker 2: Team ain't gonna be that good. You know that, Mike.

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Speaker 1: You remember there's times in the game, and as great

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't look at him, and we're not doing that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: There was times in the and when I played in Baltimore,

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Speaker 3: When I was in Arizona, I remember when Wizard Hunt

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Speaker 3: Back then, I remember when Wizard Hunt came, Like me,

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Speaker 2: Sees that drives me crazy. This is working. Why are

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Speaker 4: Even in basketball, coaching is not a is not a system,

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Speaker 4: it's personnel, I agree, right, Like, you can have the

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Speaker 3: So we I mean, again we buck We're like, we're

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Speaker 3: do things here. Like do you get on board?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So they came in, they met with us or whatever,

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Speaker 3: every time you touch the ball, like and that's legit.

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Speaker 3: But when I got to Baltimore, it was different, Like

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Speaker 3: the team was built different. It was run the ball

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Speaker 3: who can you know what I'm saying, make plays when

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Speaker 3: the ball ten times again, Yeah, because I want to

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like all of that, but like when it

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