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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five. Like I tell most people,
Speaker 1: only forty five really count. That's the forty five I've
Speaker 1: been here. But regardless, we give you our breakdown of
Speaker 1: all things politics and culture. I am your host, Bakari Sellers,
Speaker 1: and I'm joined by my amazing black panther. Today. She's
Speaker 1: stressed for battle. She looks like one of Jesus' saints.
Speaker 1: I don't know what she's over there doing, but she
Speaker 1: is prepared for battle and for war none other than
Speaker 1: Angela RII how you doing, Angela w Where are you?
Speaker 2: Butkary, I just been traveling mind in my own black business,
Speaker 2: and here you go from I'm a black panther to
Speaker 2: I'm incognbro mission like I don't understand, but I am.
Speaker 2: I am in Texas and as you know, Carmelo Anthony
Speaker 2: has two really important hearings this week, and so I
Speaker 2: am here to support him and the family and this
Speaker 2: really incredible legal team and an effort that you know,
Speaker 2: hopefully we see a positive outcome. So prayers up and
Speaker 2: good vibes. Only from the community, please.
Speaker 1: So on today's episode, Episode and forty five, we're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about how the federal government started a
Speaker 1: surveillance program towards targeting progressive groups in Minnesota after the
Speaker 1: deaths of Alex Preddi and Renee Good. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: the Trump administration how would shut down an anti corruption
Speaker 1: database so griftis can grift money, launderers can launder, and
Speaker 1: scammers can scam. Shut out shout out to young Miami
Speaker 1: surrogate mother has fled to Texas after refusing to abort
Speaker 1: their pregnancy at the biological parents' request. We'll have more
Speaker 1: details in FYSA. That is a story that I'm kind
Speaker 1: of interested to hear the contours of it, because I
Speaker 1: think that may take us a little bit longer than
Speaker 1: just the FYSA. And Angela's just going to have to
Speaker 1: be mad then we talk about it so long. And
Speaker 1: then Northwestern University is ending its eighty year old program
Speaker 1: of African Studies, one of the most in depth programs
Speaker 1: in the country. They're taking our history away from us.
Speaker 1: And then actress Hayden Pennettier, best known for her Roland Heroes.
Speaker 1: She died at the age of thirty six in Greenville,
Speaker 1: South Carolina. We'll talk about that for a little while
Speaker 1: Trump's new Attorney General, Todd blanche is starting an initiative
Speaker 1: to restore Felon's gun rights. You'll probably be surprised to
Speaker 1: hear what I have to say about that. And we'll
Speaker 1: get to primary election results in Florida. There's a couple
Speaker 1: of big surprises. One huge surprise. Money doesn't win everything.
Speaker 1: Alex Vindermann probably had a different speech in mind evening,
Speaker 1: and we'll have a couple of longer topics. Maybe maybe not,
Speaker 1: but I think the main topic we'll discuss is what
Speaker 1: exactly is the democratic establishment. We'll also try to get
Speaker 1: to Professor Jason Arda, who was accused of plagiarism, hounded
Speaker 1: to death, and died. Many of you all probably have
Speaker 1: not heard about this story, but this is a story
Speaker 1: that hits home because it shows you the power of media,
Speaker 1: the power of ignorance, and what happens with black masculinity, fragility,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about mental health. All of that is
Speaker 1: coming up, so first, starting with four year Situational Little
Speaker 1: Awareness also known as FYSA and Angela Madam Madam Black Panther,
Speaker 1: please start off with what you got for us today,
Speaker 1: with what's going on in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Where is Madame Black Panther coming from?
Speaker 1: Because you got you you blacked up.
Speaker 2: I just got to my room, like I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to be here. Okay, I'm just trying to be here anyway.
Speaker 2: For your situational awareness, we are talking Operation puppet Master.
Speaker 2: Federal agents surveiled progressive groups and labor unions following the
Speaker 2: ice kielings of Renee Good and Alex Pretty in early
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. They infiltrated meetings, churches, schools, monitor group chats.
Speaker 2: What does this sound like? Anybody heard a coin? Tell bro,
Speaker 2: that's what it sounds like. It's giving. They never left
Speaker 2: the spirit of Jaeggar Hoover because they're still in the
Speaker 2: Jaeger Edgar Hoover building. And so it says that they
Speaker 2: collected years of financial records from organizations like the Sunrise
Speaker 2: Movement and major unions like our friends be at SCIU
Speaker 2: where they have the first black woman president, April Verit,
Speaker 2: and so it's important for us to understand this also
Speaker 2: communicat Workers of America, where there's also a black labor
Speaker 2: union president. So it's fascinating to see that. Of course,
Speaker 2: the FEDS are going to surveil where there is righteous
Speaker 2: work happening. What'd you say about that?
Speaker 1: You know we were there. It makes me always think about
Speaker 1: what they were listening to, what happens when we touched
Speaker 1: the ground. I know that's a very selfish thought process,
Speaker 1: but when I talk to people about dealing with the FEDS,
Speaker 1: the last thing you ever want them to do is
Speaker 1: go snooping around. And so when I think about people
Speaker 1: like Don Lemon, when I think about people like Georgia Fort,
Speaker 1: when I think about the people who are.
Speaker 2: Undergoing Jerome Richardson.
Speaker 1: I was going to get to Jerome Jerome Richardson. When
Speaker 1: I think think about people who are undergoing the full
Speaker 1: weight of the United States government, it just for me,
Speaker 1: it's troubling. I know that you and this is going
Speaker 1: to go kind of in the left field, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've been reading about the flock cameras
Speaker 1: recently and how how you've been seeing government rat up surveillance.
Speaker 1: And I remember a time when Republicans were like, no,
Speaker 1: we don't want government in our building, we don't want
Speaker 1: government in our space. And now they're in absolutely everything
Speaker 1: we do, which is it's kind of a segue because
Speaker 1: the federal governments and everything we do, unless they are
Speaker 1: a Trump colleague and they are pillaring, and I think
Speaker 1: pillaring is the word I want to use. Pillaring Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe not, or they're drifting at a very high level
Speaker 1: because the Trump administration announced recently that it's shutting down
Speaker 1: and deleting an anti corruption database at the Treasury Department.
Speaker 1: The unique part about this is this database track shell
Speaker 1: company ownership and these shell companies that exist only on
Speaker 1: paper to hold assets for businesses, ladies, and gentlemen. What
Speaker 1: they are shutting down is the database which keeps criminals
Speaker 1: and Monday launderers in one place so we know who
Speaker 1: they are. It was originally created in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: following up a bipartisan effort to pass the Corporate Transparency Act,
Speaker 1: which passed over then President Trump's veto so Angela. My
Speaker 1: question to you is, why do you think they're doing this?
Speaker 2: Criminals gonna crme like I'm sorry, Like it's for somebody
Speaker 2: that so blatantly violates the Emolument's clause, someone who has
Speaker 2: so many impeachable offenses, someone who hasn't engaged, you know,
Speaker 2: allegedly and sexual assault. I don't expect anything from him
Speaker 2: other than exactly this last week, as you know, we
Speaker 2: talked about how many bank accounts were flagged by Capital
Speaker 2: I from money laundering for him. So of course he's
Speaker 2: going to help the people who do the things that
Speaker 2: he does. You know, this is a man that's tearing
Speaker 2: up the White House and making the reflecting pool green.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, what else do you expect? I have nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, I think that I think that we have
Speaker 1: to be extremely we have to be extremely careful and
Speaker 1: cautious because as we said, as I tell everyone who listens,
Speaker 1: there is a great comparable, comparable, or or analogous phrase
Speaker 1: which is that Donald Trump is a bull in a
Speaker 1: China shop, which is probably very true. However, when that
Speaker 1: bull leaves that China shop, under whatever reason or for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, that China's forever destroyed. And although this was
Speaker 1: just a piece of legislation that's been signing in a
Speaker 1: lot of the last five years, what we're realizing is
Speaker 1: that is that it's more necessary than ever because we're
Speaker 1: seeing people. I mean, you can look at the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers and the sale thereof uh you can look
Speaker 1: at how individuals who are impacting our daily lives, insurance companies,
Speaker 1: the list goes on and on and on are participating
Speaker 1: in shady activity. And this was one way to maybe
Speaker 1: stamp that out, but instead we have this. I want
Speaker 1: you to take me to Texas because I need you
Speaker 1: to help me understand what's going on in Texas. Answer.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't ever know what's going on in Texas,
Speaker 2: but let's talk about this because this one is kind
Speaker 2: of fascinating to me. So there's a surrogate mother who
Speaker 2: was asked, obviously to give birth to a child by
Speaker 2: some parents who probably were struggling to have children. The
Speaker 2: parents wanted this woman to abort this child that she
Speaker 2: was carrying because it was diagnosed with a heart condition
Speaker 2: twenty weeks into the pregnancy, this baby boy. The surrogate
Speaker 2: mother is like, I'm not doing that. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: there's any any number of reasons why be in the
Speaker 2: South to have an abortion these days is really really
Speaker 2: treacherous and scary and you could end up in jail,
Speaker 2: let them tell it. And so anyway, this surrogate mother
Speaker 2: refused to abort the child. The baby was born in
Speaker 2: Texas and had to undergo several heart surgeries and the
Speaker 2: biological mother again because she refused to both the child
Speaker 2: kept the baby. Now the parents who asked for her
Speaker 2: to carry the baby have a restraining order against her
Speaker 2: and there is a custody battle. She's calling the baby Gabriel,
Speaker 2: they're calling the baby Roomy, and either way, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what they want her to do. Like
Speaker 2: y'all asked for the baby not to be here, and
Speaker 2: now you want the baby. It's fascinating to me. What's
Speaker 2: say you on this one?
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is one of the most confusing
Speaker 1: stories that I've been that I've had that it's it's
Speaker 1: truly fascinating. Like why Texas is my first question, That's
Speaker 1: my big question. Why Texas is an important question. I
Speaker 1: am very cognizant of the fact that you know, me
Speaker 1: and Al and we had our own iv F journey
Speaker 1: understanding iv F, understanding you know how difficult it is.
Speaker 1: We started out with iu I, we then went to
Speaker 1: iv F. You know, Ellen almost lost but her her
Speaker 1: life during childbirth. So I'm very cognizant of the difficulty
Speaker 1: it is to have a child. I pray for people
Speaker 1: all the time, not just to have healthy pregnancies, but
Speaker 1: to have healthy births. So I get all of that, right.
Speaker 1: This is interesting because I want to see what the
Speaker 1: contract looks like between and y'all be like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 2: See Oh that's a that's a fair point.
Speaker 1: I want to see what the contract looks like because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you're a surrogate,
Speaker 1: then you are just contractually carrying and as perverted as
Speaker 1: that sounds, you're simply contractually carrying a child for someone else.
Speaker 1: I want to see what rights the parents had in
Speaker 1: the contract, and I will tell you a lot about
Speaker 1: whose child it is. It's not like you can say
Speaker 1: they didn't want it, so now I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep it. I mean, that's not really the way surrogacy works.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but this is.
Speaker 2: If they say they want the mom to abort the baby,
Speaker 2: and the mother is like, I'm not comfortable with that.
Speaker 2: There's for legal reasons or moral or ethical reasons, or
Speaker 2: she was feeling some attachment to the child. Well, how
Speaker 2: did they have a right to get the baby back?
Speaker 1: Now, Well, that's that's a lot like fathers who say
Speaker 1: they want their baby mama is to abort the baby,
Speaker 1: and the mother's like, no, I'm gonna keep the baby.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean like that don't mean the father ain't
Speaker 1: the father no more. It don't mean like I.
Speaker 2: Guess that is the baby necessarily, just like, yeah, like
Speaker 2: you tried to abort the baby. Y'all wanted her to
Speaker 2: abort the baby, and she's like, I'm protecting So what
Speaker 2: if is it more like, you know, somebody throws the
Speaker 2: stray puppy on the side of the road, and somebody
Speaker 2: comes and rescues the puppy and keeps the puppy. Does
Speaker 2: the person who threw the baby distray on the side
Speaker 2: of the road, don't make that face? Follow me here,
Speaker 2: follow me here, you go and rescue astray? How are
Speaker 2: you not the custodio guardian of the stray?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: So this isn't that, Like what about Tupac Britta's got
Speaker 2: a baby? Hello? The brenda through the baby and the dumpster.
Speaker 1: This isn't that either. So there was a contraction the dumpster, No,
Speaker 1: this was they didn't the baby never reached what I.
Speaker 2: Want to know what constitutes a breach of the contract
Speaker 2: that's what I want.
Speaker 1: Well that I mean, we got that's we also have
Speaker 1: to read the contract for that.
Speaker 2: That's is that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Syracaucy is an interesting thing because I mean, like
Speaker 1: surrogacy is you literally, I mean, there are many ways
Speaker 1: to have children in the world. You can adopt children,
Speaker 1: I U I surrogacy, like all of those things are
Speaker 1: very valid just natural processes whereby you have children, and
Speaker 1: surrogacy means that. I mean, I'm not sure that you
Speaker 1: know saying being as Sirien, you can actually say I
Speaker 1: don't want the baby anymore. You have to have an abortion.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's actually a thing. But I'm also
Speaker 1: not sure by simply saying you wanted the baby to
Speaker 1: be aborted, that's no longer your child. I don't know
Speaker 1: where this I don't know where this lies on the
Speaker 1: court of law. I mean, this is this is kind
Speaker 1: of weird.
Speaker 2: What is Mari when we need him?
Speaker 1: Well, Mari ain't gonna help because I mean, we know,
Speaker 1: we know the baby.
Speaker 2: He knows she to mama, but he got to decide,
Speaker 2: like I know the other daddy and mama have a say.
Speaker 1: The baby needs one one name, or they gotta make
Speaker 1: it like Gabrielle Rooney or Roomy. Yeah, that's that, you
Speaker 1: know who I pray. I pray for the baby because
Speaker 1: this is this is a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean this, Lolo said in the chat. Also, the
Speaker 2: baby had hypoplastic left heart syndrome, which has one hundred
Speaker 2: percent fatality rate. Well a baby is here, God said,
Speaker 2: not so so anyway. Also, clearly we ain't seen the.
Speaker 1: Contract, and Lolo also didn't tell you when the fatality
Speaker 1: rate was within a year, within two years. Lo Lo
Speaker 1: just out here stating random ass footnotes that she she.
Speaker 2: Said, every case dies before thirty five.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I mean like thirty five. That's that you
Speaker 1: there are.
Speaker 2: There are a just died before that? When did Jesus die?
Speaker 2: When did Martin?
Speaker 1: Thirty three?
Speaker 2: See what I'm saying, You see how much life you
Speaker 2: can live, what you can give to the people.
Speaker 1: That was kind of my point exactly. So I think
Speaker 1: that point that you and.
Speaker 2: That's your point now because I have helped you through
Speaker 2: shrap puppies and Brenda's got a baby and everything else,
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I think I might be right on
Speaker 1: this one. I honestly don't think I'm gonna let you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you live on this.
Speaker 2: But wait, I mean, let me tell you this, because
Speaker 2: this is a really good point to bring this up.
Speaker 2: So breaking news. In my d MS, I got berated
Speaker 2: by some random man who said that I regularly emasculate you,
Speaker 2: and I yeah, he said, I regularly emasculate you. I
Speaker 2: don't let you talk and I'm condescending and I down
Speaker 2: talk to you. So I don't know how you feel
Speaker 2: about that, but I just want nigga.
Speaker 1: I thought you were about to apologize.
Speaker 3: I was about to apologize that I don't believe that
Speaker 3: you think I'm Does he not listen to you call
Speaker 3: yourself Beyonce on these episodes?
Speaker 2: Does he not hear you say? You just call me
Speaker 2: a black panther or whatever other kind of shit you
Speaker 2: accused me of robbing somebody?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 2: When I got out of here, you got so much
Speaker 2: stuff to say. He don't hear nothing you say to me.
Speaker 2: I think the brother is sexist. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: Oh oh it might It.
Speaker 2: Might be a bock farm. Actually might be a bock
Speaker 2: farm of ignorance.
Speaker 1: One person is.
Speaker 2: In my phone I'd have been created in the last One.
Speaker 1: Person is not a farm second. I think that you
Speaker 1: should apologize for your behavior. You should apologize for your behavior,
Speaker 1: and it's okay if you don't alogize.
Speaker 2: I apologize that you might possibly feel like you agree
Speaker 2: with this man.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with him, but I can understand.
Speaker 2: What are you trying to get me to apological? Move on
Speaker 2: to your next clip.
Speaker 1: I'm sad about my next clip. I was actually have
Speaker 1: my little dance. I don't know if you remember this
Speaker 1: dance right here, and she did this, and it was
Speaker 1: and she did that, and then she came and she swung.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: You remember when Hayden.
Speaker 2: Study bring it on the way you did it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she did this? She was like, I didn't.
Speaker 2: It looks like you think that this is a strip
Speaker 2: club situation. And I think you just need to move
Speaker 2: on because you don't choreograph like Janet Jackson or Living Color.
Speaker 1: But I do choreograph like I do choreograph like Hating
Speaker 1: Pennanty here. She was an actress and a child star.
Speaker 1: I've been reading her book recently. I asked all of
Speaker 1: you all to go pick it up. I was reading
Speaker 1: it on my flight to the West Coast today. I
Speaker 1: read the first six chapters of it, very tor minute.
Speaker 1: She died at the age of thirty six in Greenville,
Speaker 1: South Carolina. She starred in the TV shows Heroes in Nashville.
Speaker 1: And she also started like I do my dance and
Speaker 1: I do this. We started in a lot of movies
Speaker 1: that we.
Speaker 2: Listen to, you they have no idea what you're doing,
Speaker 2: So just doing the.
Speaker 1: Dance, doing the dance with her and Solange. She was
Speaker 1: found dance. She was found dead in her home with
Speaker 1: apparent signs of cardiac arrest. No foul play, although it's
Speaker 1: under further investigation. We're watching this play out. The book
Speaker 1: I was reading was her memoir This is Me, A Reckoning,
Speaker 1: which detailed her life as a child star and her
Speaker 1: struggles with depression, substance abuse, and domestic abuse. She was
Speaker 1: with her domestic abus her at the time she died.
Speaker 1: He's just awful human being, just a terrible, terrible, terrible
Speaker 1: person who actually served time in jail for domestically abusing her.
Speaker 1: And what we've seen is that there are a lot
Speaker 1: of different things that happened Hollywood, a lot of different
Speaker 1: things that happened in child stars growing up Hayden with
Speaker 1: somebody who you you know, you adored. She was right
Speaker 1: up there with Tapanga for most of us. And it's
Speaker 1: just a sad case of someone who you could tell
Speaker 1: has been tormented with the ghost of Hollywood for a
Speaker 1: very long period of time, but has always been there,
Speaker 1: like every year or every other year, there's been a
Speaker 1: movie or a series that she's played a role in.
Speaker 1: And so she recently died and there were two ambulances there.
Speaker 1: There was narcin in the house, and she was in Greenville,
Speaker 1: South Carolina. She had just after training order was lifted.
Speaker 1: She was spending time with her ex boyfriend, and she
Speaker 1: recently passed away. So that's my two cents on Hayden, Panitie,
Speaker 1: you got anything on that, Angela.
Speaker 2: It's devastating. No, sorry for her family's loss and to
Speaker 2: the many people who she impacted to bringing on in
Speaker 2: all of her other work.
Speaker 1: May she rest, Yeah, And she she has a beautiful daughter.
Speaker 1: I believe her daughter is. I believe her daughter is
Speaker 1: eleven now. And she has a daughter by the former
Speaker 1: Vladimir Vladimir Klitchka. I couldn't even get his name out
Speaker 1: of Vladimir Klitschko, who's a former boxing champion lives in
Speaker 1: Ukraine and this ship is just sad, so we'll move
Speaker 1: on something else. Said Northwestern University, one of the premier
Speaker 1: institutions for African studies, not African American Studies, but African Studies.
Speaker 1: They laid off their entire staff. It was started eighty
Speaker 1: years ago and was the first academic program focused on
Speaker 1: Africa in the entire United States of America. Was founded
Speaker 1: by American anthropologists.
Speaker 2: Man, listen, I'm Perskavitz, Melville Perskavitz.
Speaker 1: No, it's Melville Jherskovitz.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well you can't even get through the first part,
Speaker 2: so I was just helping you. Welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 1: You're always there for me. It's unclear if other Northwestern
Speaker 1: staff will take responsibility of continuing the African Studies program
Speaker 1: in Northwestern. Students who major in minor and African African
Speaker 1: studies have been left in the dark about the program's future.
Speaker 1: For me to sit home because my father was the
Speaker 1: director of African American Studies and people are like that
Speaker 1: don't really sound like the same thing, although it sounds
Speaker 1: like the same thing, but there was such overlap between
Speaker 1: the Africana Studies or African studies and African American studies
Speaker 1: and just the richness of the culture and how it
Speaker 1: prepared you for interdisciplinary future and career, and the things
Speaker 1: that Northwestern had that other people didn't have. Understanding colonialism,
Speaker 1: understanding the richness of the continent, understanding the diaspora. We
Speaker 1: are going to miss the program at Northwestern. And this
Speaker 1: is what happens. Elections have consequences. All you negroes who
Speaker 1: are out there talking about Trump and Hillary Clinton were
Speaker 1: the lesser or two evils. This is what happens and
Speaker 1: we're still dealing with that in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Well, on top of the elections have consequences, narrative will
Speaker 2: just keep that party going. The new Attorney General, Todd
Speaker 2: blanche is launching a process for formerly incarcerated individuals to
Speaker 2: apply to have their gun rights reinstated. They're expecting approximately
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty thousand people to apply in the
Speaker 2: first year of the initiative. I actually am not opposed
Speaker 2: to this beak where you.
Speaker 1: Say no, I actually think it's a great piece of legislation.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, individuals who are formally incarcerated,
Speaker 1: we need to do everything we can and make sure
Speaker 1: they get the gun now. Only there's a caveat The
Speaker 1: only people who do not need their gun rights back
Speaker 1: are people who are convicted of domestic violence.
Speaker 2: I think anybody that's also used a weapon like you know,
Speaker 2: like you know, attempted murder and you know, is proven,
Speaker 2: I think they should have to go through a more
Speaker 2: rigorous process. I will say one concern that I've had
Speaker 2: historically from family members and friends who are formally incarcerated.
Speaker 2: If you get like pulled over and you have a
Speaker 2: weapon on you, you like risk your whole life again.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's an important piece to this,
Speaker 2: Like you shouldn't have been this shouldn't be categorized as
Speaker 2: a reoffense, like you're reoffended and are now back in
Speaker 2: the carceral system. I think that that is a really,
Speaker 2: really huge problem. So hopefully this addresses some of that.
Speaker 2: What I will tell y'all is we got to read
Speaker 2: the fine print, which I have not done honestly yet.
Speaker 2: And this is important because the Trump administration regularly does
Speaker 2: things for the headlines, but not for the long run,
Speaker 2: and that is a different type of game. We saw
Speaker 2: some of that be with the first step back. They
Speaker 2: have renigged on a lot of the first step back commitments.
Speaker 2: We've seen that with you know, we've seen them do
Speaker 2: that on any number of occasions about a bunch of
Speaker 2: different things that are actually supposed to be helpful. I
Speaker 2: imagine that even with the Trump accounts, the baby bonds,
Speaker 2: which was Corey Booker's legislation, I am sure that at
Speaker 2: some point this dude is gonna renig on the baby
Speaker 2: bonds and getting people children some money right when they
Speaker 2: get come out the womb. So there's that. You guys
Speaker 2: got to make sure you read the fine print. Let's
Speaker 2: all read it together and talk about it next week.
Speaker 2: You've got some good results coming up in Florida and
Speaker 2: some not so good results results.
Speaker 4: Nobody knows.
Speaker 1: We got results coming up. So we got Wie Washerman
Speaker 1: shots who won PLU.
Speaker 2: So the black people see, let me just make sure
Speaker 2: we clear about this. But Kari not gonna say this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you all this. Wie Washerman Shoultz carpetbag
Speaker 2: to ass into a black district and stole a black
Speaker 2: seat from black people because black folks did not consolidate
Speaker 2: around a singular candidate on this particular graphic. You don't
Speaker 2: see the number of people who were in that seat running.
Speaker 2: There were I believe four black candidates. If you add
Speaker 2: up all of their numbers, they one of them would
Speaker 2: have beat w Washerman Shoults. It is the argument that
Speaker 2: many of us had with these candidates, the conversations that
Speaker 2: Uncle Luke who got on the phone with me and
Speaker 2: others and said that he was confident he was gonna
Speaker 2: be able to raise money. You asked him how much
Speaker 2: money he had cash on hand but car He said
Speaker 2: six thousand dollars, But he was confident he was gonna
Speaker 2: be able to raise money. Look at where he plays.
Speaker 2: He placed the same place he placed when he ran
Speaker 2: for mayor of Miami, was the mayor of Miami or
Speaker 2: Miami Beach, wherever whatever Miami he ran for. He was
Speaker 2: in fourth place. What place he in this time?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He got seven percent of the vote. Was it seven percent?
Speaker 2: I can't see on this graphic. I need to look
Speaker 2: at the graphic, I said, But the bottom line is
Speaker 2: he ain't placed. He placed like I used to do
Speaker 2: in track the place before last. Okay, So yeah, let's
Speaker 2: look Luther, I'm sorry, Luther Campbell right now. And the
Speaker 2: results they were with sixty seven percent of the votes.
Speaker 2: In maybe somebody has an updated graphic now he had
Speaker 2: seven point six percent of the vote be So he
Speaker 2: was the one that wanted people to consolidate around him.
Speaker 2: Even Sheila, who was about to be expelled from Congress,
Speaker 2: got more percentage of votes than him.
Speaker 1: Why are you mad at Luke?
Speaker 2: My god, I'm not just mad at Luke. I'm mad
Speaker 2: at all of them for not consolidating. But I think
Speaker 2: my bigger issue is consolid No, he tried to consolidate
Speaker 2: around him. He tried to consolidate around him. He didn't
Speaker 2: try to consolidate around Elijah or Dale Wholeness. Dale. And
Speaker 2: this is what I was telling people. I was, like,
Speaker 2: all of them, it's probably dal Wholeness that's the most
Speaker 2: formidable because he's the one who ran the ground game
Speaker 2: in that district for Andrews Race. That dude has contacts.
Speaker 2: So if they would have all consolidated around Dale Wholeness.
Speaker 2: I don't know Elijah that well, but I heard he
Speaker 2: was doing kind of Well, what's this Florida twenty. I'm
Speaker 2: just going to check theirs out to see where we
Speaker 2: are now with the time of recording this show, we're
Speaker 2: still in election return night, So yeah, it has uh
Speaker 2: Debue Washerman shows with thirty thousand plus, so forty five
Speaker 2: percent of the vote. You know in some states that
Speaker 2: would be runoff territory. Dan Dale Holdn has had twenty
Speaker 2: three percent of vote. Luther Campbell ended up with eight
Speaker 2: point four percent of the vote, five thousand, six hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy nine votes. You know what that is? You
Speaker 2: remember that's six thousand dollars. I don't you that's about
Speaker 2: a dollar person, that's six k. He had cash in cash.
Speaker 1: That ain't That's not bad. I mean, that's a good return.
Speaker 2: God damn. If you only got six thousand dollars cash
Speaker 2: on here, drop out. You're not gonna win a congressional race.
Speaker 1: Come on now, these black folks voted overwhelming lay nearly
Speaker 1: two to one for DeBie Washerman Shows and Emanuel Do
Speaker 1: we know the returns.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk to my former boss about that.
Speaker 1: I was happy she got thirty thousand, She got thirty thousand.
Speaker 1: The closest person and got fifteen thousand. That's two to one.
Speaker 2: Well, can we talk about somebody that we're happy about?
Speaker 2: At least I'm happy about I don't know if you're
Speaker 2: happy about it.
Speaker 1: Oh, go ahead, let's go. I mean I think we should.
Speaker 1: I think cause the biggest surprise all night was Debbie
Speaker 1: Washerman Show's winning that race at seven o one. But
Speaker 1: actually that's probably the second biggest surprise because what happened, No,
Speaker 1: that's the second biggest, because the biggest surprise actually happened
Speaker 1: on the United States Senate front with Alex Vindermann, who
Speaker 1: raised millions and millions of dollars, getting destroyed by a
Speaker 1: young lady.
Speaker 2: Progressive we got on our show who and Nixon.
Speaker 1: I'm an amazing progressive black woman who actually raised less
Speaker 1: than a million dollars and if you look at the
Speaker 1: vote count, she got more than ten percent, more than
Speaker 1: more than one hundred thousand votes more than the next person.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: You know, can I just say to you be? The
Speaker 2: thing that I respect about Angie is something really similar
Speaker 2: that we saw when Andrew ran in Florida. And I
Speaker 2: remember there being a time when people were like, it's impossible,
Speaker 2: there's no ways he's going to break through. But one
Speaker 2: of the moments Andrew had that was really telling and
Speaker 2: change the game was he decided to lean into his
Speaker 2: roots and there was something where he needed to kind
Speaker 2: of speak out in protest. I can't remember the particular issue,
Speaker 2: but Angie had a moment like that, and it was
Speaker 2: around redistricting. And what we know we're all experiencing is
Speaker 2: this thirst, this desire, this urge to have our elected
Speaker 2: officials speak up and be courageous and take a stand
Speaker 2: for something bold and different. And she had a breakout
Speaker 2: moment to the point where Rondo Santras was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: I'm pressing charges right, Like, she stood up for the
Speaker 2: people when people were like, well, now, if our voices
Speaker 2: are going to be erased in the redistrict process, what
Speaker 2: do we do? And Angie had that breakout moment. We
Speaker 2: talked about it on a solo pot here. She was
Speaker 2: phenomenal there, and I think that it's worth people paying
Speaker 2: attention to. They're labeling her as a democratic socialist, as
Speaker 2: a poison pill in this race, but really with democratic socialism,
Speaker 2: and I think we're gonna end up getting into this
Speaker 2: in this conversation around establishment versus whatever is this has
Speaker 2: become a name brand, a label for people who are
Speaker 2: not beholden to any particular set of issues. You know,
Speaker 2: any you know, folks who tell you what time it is,
Speaker 2: what the rules are going to be, or whatever. They're
Speaker 2: dancing to the beat of their own drum and they're
Speaker 2: following their instincts and they're getting labeled as democratic socialists
Speaker 2: because that is what the Republicans want to do, to
Speaker 2: kind of create a boogeyman situation. But it's backfiring.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's an interesting race because we saw
Speaker 1: someone what was a young lady who is a former congressman,
Speaker 1: former chief of police in the city of Orlando, who
Speaker 1: ran for the United States yademics, Val Demings. We saw
Speaker 1: Val Demings, who was a moderate by all intents and purposes,
Speaker 1: somebody who espouse progressive views, but who in this particular
Speaker 1: election environment would be considered to be a moderate. We
Speaker 1: saw her come up short. So it's going to be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how Angie plays out. But I do
Speaker 1: want to play this clip because to highlight the point
Speaker 1: that you were making. I want to play this clip
Speaker 1: from what David Jolly said, who's a former Republican. This
Speaker 1: is going to exacerbate the risks that we have in
Speaker 1: the party. But a former Republican who is now a Democrat,
Speaker 1: who won the Democratic nomination for governor in the state
Speaker 1: to run against Byron Donald's Let's play this clip from him.
Speaker 5: Is this a state Florida that can elect you as
Speaker 5: governor but also elects progressive Angie Nixon for the US
Speaker 5: Senate at the same time. Well, we're going to find out.
Speaker 5: We're going to find out. Look, I reject the DSA,
Speaker 5: I reject socialism. I'm a cap Listen. I think capitalism
Speaker 5: provides the greatest amount of economic mobility. I have been
Speaker 5: with Angie on the trail, and I'll tell you this,
Speaker 5: She's a fighter. She leaves it all on the field.
Speaker 5: She goes in every room talking about what I talk about.
Speaker 5: Can we improve your access to housing, affordable housing, to healthcare?
Speaker 5: Do you know where to educate your kids? What is
Speaker 5: it a government can do where the private sector is
Speaker 5: unable to improve your life? Angie's out there fighting for
Speaker 5: those same values. I think she and I have a
Speaker 5: very different approach to this. Look, I reject socialism, I'm
Speaker 5: a capitalist. We'll see how Florida's voters sort that out
Speaker 5: in November.
Speaker 1: So I just think that's an interesting He was very
Speaker 1: clear which most elected officials are not most politicians are not.
Speaker 1: He started out by answering the question that wasn't even
Speaker 1: asked of him, but then he actually did something. He
Speaker 1: came around and actually emboldened her by simply saying, Look,
Speaker 1: I've been in rooms that everybody else is an n
Speaker 1: I've been in rooms with her. She talks to people
Speaker 1: in ways that I talk to people. So I'm this
Speaker 1: is going to be This is going to be a
Speaker 1: race that is kind of fascinating to watch, and I
Speaker 1: want to see how nimble she is in being able
Speaker 1: to kind of not dodge rain drops, but be able
Speaker 1: to talk about issues that matter to people without being
Speaker 1: caricatured with issues that don't. If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: It does. I think that part of our work as
Speaker 2: people of goodwill, as Vince my brother Vince would say,
Speaker 2: is like, well, like what do the labels have to
Speaker 2: do with what you're ready to do for the people?
Speaker 2: Like how much do people like working people, every day people,
Speaker 2: the every day voter, how much do they care about
Speaker 2: those labels? And is it that socialism in Florida has
Speaker 2: a more dangerous context for some of the Latino voters
Speaker 2: because of folks proximity to Cuba or the fact that
Speaker 2: they are like white cube in there, like is this
Speaker 2: that why they're playing that up? I think that for
Speaker 2: him to say that they're in similar rooms having similar
Speaker 2: conversations with similar values, forget the label. What are your values?
Speaker 2: What do the people need? And how are you planning
Speaker 2: to meet those needs? How are you going to advocate
Speaker 2: for those people as an executive, as the governor David Jolly,
Speaker 2: or as a senator Angie Nixon, And I think that's
Speaker 2: really it. So this conversation that we're getting ready to
Speaker 2: have about the establishment, I think it's really important because
Speaker 2: there's almost like you know in church, you have an
Speaker 2: alter call, right, there's like there's like come to the
Speaker 2: front of the congregation. We're being asked to redefine what
Speaker 2: we stand for as this country celebrates it's two hundred
Speaker 2: and fiftieth. What do we really value what really matters
Speaker 2: to us? And is it the label of being a
Speaker 2: blue a donkey or a red elephant and a Democrat
Speaker 2: or a Republican or do you care if people have
Speaker 2: food to put on the table and wages that are
Speaker 2: fair and ability to survive childbirth and healthcare on the
Speaker 2: other side for the mom, the kid and everybody in
Speaker 2: the family. Do you care about your elders being able
Speaker 2: to pay their medical bills? You know? Do you care
Speaker 2: about children being able to eat free food at school
Speaker 2: and beyond meals when they get home? Like, those are
Speaker 2: the kinds of things that we should be talking about.
Speaker 2: And if I were them, if I were advising either
Speaker 2: of them, I'd say just this the labels altogether, because
Speaker 2: you're going to have to crisscross party lines and go
Speaker 2: find new voters that do not find themselves in the
Speaker 2: confines of these two parties.
Speaker 1: You just are yeah, that is the way in formula Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you're going to have to be willing to disassociate
Speaker 1: yourself with the things that are politically unpopular, which means
Speaker 1: that you just don't ascribe the litmus test, which drives
Speaker 1: me nuts because we live in a party and we
Speaker 1: live in a country where everybody wants to have a
Speaker 1: certain litmus test, meaning that you have to say x
Speaker 1: y Z to x y z issue and that's just
Speaker 1: not the way, not the way it that it works.
Speaker 1: Let's play a clip particularly about Medicare for All, actually
Speaker 1: for DSA first, before we get to Medicare for All,
Speaker 1: because Kristen Welker had an interview with a Kim Jeffries,
Speaker 1: which has made a lot of noise. And I think
Speaker 1: my larger question is, and this is what's been frustrating me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked, I've spoken to Jamial Hill, I've
Speaker 1: actually been on TV with Jamil. I mean, I've I've
Speaker 1: listened to Van, I've listened to Charlemagne, I've listened to
Speaker 1: all the individuals kind of talk about the establishment versus
Speaker 1: DSA or DSA versus progressive versus. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what it means anymore, but listen to Chris Kirsten Welker
Speaker 1: and Kim Jeffries had this conversation about DSA first, and
Speaker 1: then let's hope back in on.
Speaker 6: The other side, democratic socialists belong in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 7: Leader Jeffries, Well, what I can say is that I
Speaker 7: do not support defunding the police. I do not support
Speaker 7: open borders. I do not support abolishing the Senate. We're
Speaker 7: focused on actually solving problems that hard working American taxpayers
Speaker 7: want us to solve, which is to lower the high
Speaker 7: cost of living in a situation where life is far
Speaker 7: too expensive in this country. That's the democratic agenda, That's
Speaker 7: what House Democrats are fighting to achieve.
Speaker 6: Do you think, though, that there is room in the
Speaker 6: Democratic Party under the tent of the Democratic Party for
Speaker 6: Democratic socialists? Is it big enough?
Speaker 7: Well, listen, I don't support the DSA agenda as has
Speaker 7: been articulated by the DSAY itself. Now, you're going to
Speaker 7: have individual members who have been elected in Democratic primaries,
Speaker 7: and if they are elected in the general in November,
Speaker 7: will be part of the House Democratic Caucus. It's going
Speaker 7: to be a broad caucus. There will be Progressives, there
Speaker 7: will be new Dems, there will be blue dogs. What
Speaker 7: I'm excited about are the candidates who are running to
Speaker 7: flip seats in November to deliver us a majority that
Speaker 7: pushes back against Donald Trump's extremism and moves the country
Speaker 7: in the right direction. That means us House Democrats lowering
Speaker 7: the high cost of living in areas like groceries and
Speaker 7: gas and of course housing, and fighting to make health
Speaker 7: care affordable for every single American, while at the same
Speaker 7: period of time, pushing back against the corruption that has
Speaker 7: been leased on the American people and holding the crooks
Speaker 7: accountable beginning on day one in January.
Speaker 1: Of next year. Actually, you know, I've always said that
Speaker 1: there are certain things that King Jefferies needs to do
Speaker 1: and what I want them to do to make it
Speaker 1: easier to get to November and actually go into being speaker.
Speaker 1: I have no issue with nothing that he said in
Speaker 1: that clip, though.
Speaker 2: I do because I think that you can't expect to
Speaker 2: be welcomed as the speaker and voted for to be
Speaker 2: speaker for people whose policies you condemn. And I think
Speaker 2: that there's a way to say, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: always agree with the blue dogs. I don't always agree
Speaker 2: with people who identify as Democratic Socialists or Working Family
Speaker 2: Party members. I don't always agree with, you know, the
Speaker 2: progressives in our party. But everybody has a home here
Speaker 2: so long as we remain a big tent, and we're
Speaker 2: going to figure out how to elect our leadership team
Speaker 2: and get good policy paths for the American people that
Speaker 2: you know, ensure that people have affordable wages and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. There's a way to do that.
Speaker 2: I reject the idea that you have to fall into
Speaker 2: the trap of making these people the boogeyman, especially when
Speaker 2: the boogeyman has the juice. I'm Donnie busy jumping in
Speaker 2: pools with all his full suit on. In New York,
Speaker 2: he getting child care free, he getting people free bus
Speaker 2: passes and stuff. And they not mad at him, They
Speaker 2: mad at you. Yeah, So how do you make him
Speaker 2: your friend? Right now? There's not smart politics to go
Speaker 2: on air and condemn people based on a Republican talking point.
Speaker 2: That's not how you grow them. Because these people got
Speaker 2: to vote for him in January. On the other side
Speaker 2: of November is a democratic leadership election in January. He's
Speaker 2: not going to have positive results if he condemns these
Speaker 2: people all the way up to November, just.
Speaker 1: Not going to happen. I agree with you to the
Speaker 1: point whereby there has to be a realization that the
Speaker 1: politics of democratic socialism don't work everywhere. And like, that's
Speaker 1: why I say I agree with you to a certain
Speaker 1: extent because what you said, but what you said, But
Speaker 1: what you said, though is like not wrong, And what
Speaker 1: you said is embracing the philosophies and embracing the policies
Speaker 1: that work, embracing the policies that the American public are
Speaker 1: thirsting for, which I would argue many Democrats have been
Speaker 1: making for a long period of time. However, you know,
Speaker 1: we we have to. We have to understand that there's
Speaker 1: certain initiatives, certain policies, certain et cetera that just don't
Speaker 1: that that ain't flying in Georgia. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: flying in Pennsylvania where you got to win those.
Speaker 2: Houses because of how they're talking about it.
Speaker 1: No, it's because they're outside of the main stream. It's
Speaker 1: like there's nobody, there's nobody who believes that. There aren't
Speaker 1: people in the three swing states in Pennsylvania who believe
Speaker 1: that defunding police is a sound policy position.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I think I think that that is a
Speaker 2: cheap argument. Like when was the last time you've heard
Speaker 2: progressive people and I'm not talking about raging liberals or
Speaker 2: you know whatever you want to call these folks talking
Speaker 2: about defunding the police. Like, let's go. Let's go too.
Speaker 2: Since you want to call me a black canther today,
Speaker 2: let's go to the ten point program. We want freedom,
Speaker 2: we want empower to determine the destiny of our black community.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to be free. Let's call that. We want
Speaker 2: the American Dream Number two. We want full employment for
Speaker 2: our people. Everybody needs a job. We want everybody, everybody
Speaker 2: who is able to work in this country to be
Speaker 2: able to get a job. That's so this is what
Speaker 2: we're calling socialism. We want to an end to the
Speaker 2: robbery by the capitalists of our black community. That's talking
Speaker 2: about people who are the people that are getting these
Speaker 2: big tax breaks, the people that Donald Trump is helping
Speaker 2: the money launder we were just talking about earlier. They're
Speaker 2: taking away people's ability to have Medicaid Medicare snap benefits.
Speaker 2: We want decent housing fit for the shelter of human beings.
Speaker 2: These are all things that would have been deemed as
Speaker 2: socialism when the Black Panther Party for Self Defence put
Speaker 2: this platform out in nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not And I'm just saying, sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's not what we're talking about today, And that's
Speaker 1: not what we're talking must. But that's not But that's
Speaker 1: but that's not what we're talking about when you're talking
Speaker 1: about things like abolishing the Senate, when you're talking about
Speaker 1: you know that that's.
Speaker 2: Not there because those people don't say that. Antie Nixon
Speaker 2: is not saying abouts the Senate. Shit, she's running for
Speaker 2: the Senate, Like that's what I'm saying. Like some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that they're putting on DSAH.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not there putting. It's not they're
Speaker 1: putting on them. I mean, it's what it's It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't.
Speaker 2: Have anybody asks Angie Nixon why she's running for a
Speaker 2: seat that she seeks to abolish. It's because she doesn't
Speaker 2: believe in that. And what's unfortunate here is Hakem and
Speaker 2: everybody else who has not taken including David Jolly, who
Speaker 2: I really like as well, have not taken the time
Speaker 2: to figure out what the new iteration of their platform is.
Speaker 2: People are harkening back to a platform that they're no
Speaker 2: longer like building upon. These folks have pivoted and evolved.
Speaker 2: There's ship that the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton pushed for,
Speaker 2: including cutting food stamps, that the Democratic Party of today
Speaker 2: doesn't stand for. So I just think we have to
Speaker 2: be not be disingenuous in our approach about this. There
Speaker 2: are I think they probably agree eighty five percent at
Speaker 2: the time, you know what I mean, Why are y'all
Speaker 2: even writing on that, like you're letting Fox News dictate
Speaker 2: how you talk about DSA folks, And it sounds like
Speaker 2: goddamn Antifa again, and what is that. It's like it's
Speaker 2: a faux organization that they manufactured to scare the hell
Speaker 2: out of white.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's not anything that's that's that's
Speaker 1: like that far off. But I mean, you're talking about
Speaker 1: defund the police, You're talking about in all misdemeanors.
Speaker 2: Where is that? Where is that on Angie's platform? I'm
Speaker 2: just saying about Angie.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not talking about you have to.
Speaker 2: Talk about Angie because she but I think that that's.
Speaker 1: But I mean, the problem is.
Speaker 2: B what we end up doing is we put this
Speaker 2: DSA label on Casper and we don't look at that
Speaker 2: label on the actual candidate who's running. So the actual
Speaker 2: candidate who's running or the actual candidate who won, what
Speaker 2: do they stand for when you go to their site?
Speaker 2: What are they saying? I guarantee you abolishing the police
Speaker 2: and the Senate is not on Angie's page, So.
Speaker 1: Why you can't but you can't be a so that
Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't that doesn't work when you're trying
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff that we don't agree with
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party on and yet we still vote Democratic.
Speaker 2: It's not fair. What do what does she stand for?
Speaker 2: What does that candidate stand for?
Speaker 1: But I'm so My only point is if you're you're
Speaker 1: going to literally have to answer these questions in a
Speaker 1: general election. I'm not talking about a premire, the Premiariy is over.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in a general election. You're going to
Speaker 1: have to answer these questions because are you asking me?
Speaker 1: If I don't know the Moody girl's first name, but Ashley,
Speaker 1: I think, are you asking me? Is Ashley Moody better
Speaker 1: than Angie Nixon? The answers no, under no straightform or
Speaker 1: fashion however, that conversation, but Ashley, that that is the
Speaker 1: conversation that twenty percent of the people in Florida are
Speaker 1: going to have. And my point is when you are,
Speaker 1: when you but when you call yourself, when you are
Speaker 1: part of a party, right, whether or not you adopt
Speaker 1: everything that they say, you are saying, you're going to
Speaker 1: end all misdemeanors, You're going to abolish all prisons, You're
Speaker 1: going to disarmline. I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 2: Better you keep going back to this, and it cheapens
Speaker 2: and it flattens the analysis in ways that I don't
Speaker 2: think is fair to any candidate running for office, and
Speaker 2: as someone who who is a former candidate yourself, it's
Speaker 2: because because you can't let me just say this as
Speaker 2: an example, we have an autopsy report from the Democratic
Speaker 2: Party of what happened after Kamala's race. We don't agree
Speaker 2: with the ship that went down, so I'm not going
Speaker 2: to hold that back for them. Angie is she supports
Speaker 2: a working Families guarantee. She has medcare for all, universal
Speaker 2: childcare and pre K, quality public education, cradle to career housing,
Speaker 2: you can afford, standing with workers and unions, reigning in
Speaker 2: big tech and AI. A foreign policy rooted in diplomacy,
Speaker 2: human rights and restraints, climate action that magines together the crisis,
Speaker 2: protecting and expanding democracy, getting money out of politics, making
Speaker 2: billionaires and corporations pay their fair share. She sounds like
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren to me, she sounds like somebody who with
Speaker 2: a good, solid progressive platform. She don't have shit on
Speaker 2: here about abolishing.
Speaker 1: But you can't. But you can't be DSA when you
Speaker 1: want to win a primary. Not only this is my point,
Speaker 1: you can't be DSA when you want to win a
Speaker 1: primary and mobilized progression and then say and then say
Speaker 1: you're going to be and then say you're gonna be
Speaker 1: somebody else. And by the way, Elizabeth Warren can't win
Speaker 1: in Florida.
Speaker 2: No, never been, She's never been anybody else. But what
Speaker 2: it says on this website today, the day that she
Speaker 2: won the primary, and who she's been in the state's exactly.
Speaker 1: This disagreement is not about I don't know her or her.
Speaker 2: I'm just using utilizing Angie because I don't want to
Speaker 2: have a random Casper on this, like let's name the
Speaker 2: elected or lame the candidate and go to their platform
Speaker 2: rather than oh, they want to we went through.
Speaker 1: We went through. I mean, okay, so if we're going
Speaker 1: to do that, I mean we we just we saw that.
Speaker 1: We saw that, we saw that Francesca Fum didn't win.
Speaker 1: So that that is somebody who I believe that's that
Speaker 1: was her name. I don't want to miss because I
Speaker 1: think you just because you know, I haven't that's my.
Speaker 2: Her name is Francesca Hong.
Speaker 1: What did you call? I'm sorry, but let's go to.
Speaker 2: Lost, So let's talk about somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I know, I know, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: So I think that's the right thing to do, right
Speaker 2: we can go to Mam Donnie'm Donnie's in office, Democratic Socialists,
Speaker 2: what are you doing?
Speaker 1: So I wanted to go to and this is what
Speaker 1: I was trying to find the young lady who simply
Speaker 1: who recently won Daria Liza Chevalier, the Democratic candidate for
Speaker 1: Congress in New York, who is a Democratic socialist, and
Speaker 1: where she talked about abolishing the police. She wanted to
Speaker 1: abolish prisons, She wanted to get rid of borders. She
Speaker 1: praised communism, She called for open borders and zero deportations
Speaker 1: even for criminals. She attacked Joe Biden, she attacked Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris and her posts. So my only point is that
Speaker 1: we're going to use the same litmus test that you
Speaker 1: did Hues for Angie, which is fair. I think that
Speaker 1: is absolutely fair if you're going to judge them and
Speaker 1: in that vacuum, which is hard, it's really hard to do.
Speaker 1: But for the purpose of this show, I think if
Speaker 1: we're going to live in that truth, then that's let's
Speaker 1: let's live in that truth. We have to look at
Speaker 1: all of them and you know, feed them out the
Speaker 1: out the same spoon.
Speaker 2: You give them the opportunity to say, do you still
Speaker 2: stand by what you said on this X y Z date.
Speaker 2: Because sometimes when they get to the general, as you know,
Speaker 2: they pivot, people get moderate a little bit. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: now I don't have to break out as much. So
Speaker 2: what's really good? My mayor is supposed to I'm not
Speaker 2: even call her my mayor. The Seattle mayor, as you know,
Speaker 2: because I talk about it on multiple shows, is highly problematic.
Speaker 2: And she's supposed to be progressive. To me, she's just
Speaker 2: a raging liberal with limited experience, and she talks about
Speaker 2: some of the dumb shit you're saying. It's not practical,
Speaker 2: it's not rooted in any type of policy analysis, no
Speaker 2: type of data, nothing. I'm not with that, But I'm
Speaker 2: saying to label everybody who falls under that umbrella is
Speaker 2: as ignorant as labeling any of us who vote a
Speaker 2: Democratic ticket the same way. It's just not And I
Speaker 2: think we got to resist the earth to be lazy
Speaker 2: and to do like the complicated work of being like
Speaker 2: where can we align? Where are the values? And I
Speaker 2: think the biggest issue is I really would encourage everybody,
Speaker 2: whether you a moderate, a blue dog or you know,
Speaker 2: whatever kind of dog or red dog, whatever, kind of
Speaker 2: whatever freedom party, you know, liberal Black liberation, What are
Speaker 2: your values? Lead with your values and don't lead with
Speaker 2: the label. The labels are gonna get you played.
Speaker 1: Well. I think that I agree with that, But I
Speaker 1: will say this, and I think that that I agree
Speaker 1: with that. No, I do. But I like when you
Speaker 1: when you look at somebody like Chevallera, who I just
Speaker 1: wanted to because I was pulling it up, you know,
Speaker 1: who said that I have no nuance to add Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: like what are we? What are we doing? Like? I mean,
Speaker 1: so when you talk about Dixon and what she may
Speaker 1: espouse today or what not me what she does because
Speaker 1: you went to it and you read from it what
Speaker 1: she does espouse today, it's a part of.
Speaker 2: Nixon.
Speaker 1: What I said, what I said, Nixon didn't Dixon. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry it's late, y'all. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: It's later for me.
Speaker 1: No, it's later for me.
Speaker 2: It's not aren't you on the West coast? Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not later for you.
Speaker 1: It's later in spirit. Anyway. My only point is that
Speaker 1: when you when you, when you wear the DSA hat,
Speaker 1: you have to wear all of this crazy shit too.
Speaker 1: And while we agree, I don't I'm not. I don't.
Speaker 1: My point is that I agree with you it ain't fair. Oh,
Speaker 1: I trust me. I agree with you that it ain't fair. However,
Speaker 1: when you talk about winning a race, and when you
Speaker 1: talk about winning a race in Georgia, you talking about
Speaker 1: winning the race in Missouri or Florida, were talking about
Speaker 1: winning something in Texas. When you talk about winning something
Speaker 1: and it ain't baby Blue, it gets extremely difficult to
Speaker 1: do that and answer these questions before we get out
Speaker 1: of here, though I want to. There's something else we
Speaker 1: got to talk about, because we could talk about this
Speaker 1: all day. I really risked my brother Andrew talking about this.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get the professor our day real quick, because
Speaker 1: many people don't know what happened. But I think we
Speaker 1: got a couple of a couple of clips and posts
Speaker 1: we wanted to put up quickly. Go ahead, go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: go ahead. What I was going to say is simply
Speaker 1: that this is a young man that social media lynched
Speaker 1: and accused him of being a plagiarist. We saw the
Speaker 1: person who sparked this up. He recently committed suicide in
Speaker 1: the UK because of all the pressure he was undertaking.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to have Nick, I believe we have
Speaker 1: a couple of clips, well not excuse me, clips, but
Speaker 1: headlines we wanted to put up. He resigned on August fifth,
Speaker 1: with the letter saying he had reached the limits of
Speaker 1: what any person should reasonably be expected to endure. The
Speaker 1: media response it with one hundred and eighty eight more
Speaker 1: articles in nine days. On the fourteenth of August, he
Speaker 1: was found dead. He was only forty one years old.
Speaker 2: This man was and I know we have some other
Speaker 2: graphics to show, but this man was the youngest black
Speaker 2: professor well the black period. The fact that he was
Speaker 2: a professor in the UK, particularly at Cambridge, and then
Speaker 2: the youngest that they've had in their history is astonishing.
Speaker 2: And he said in his resignation letter like I'm just
Speaker 2: because I'm resigning, don't meet, doesn't mean that I am,
Speaker 2: you know, saying that I did any of this. And
Speaker 2: now you know he doesn't have anything to say in
Speaker 2: his defense. So I want to I want to play
Speaker 2: this because there were thirty thousand people who attended a
Speaker 2: vigil for Jason our day and I had the privilege
Speaker 2: of meeting Simon Wooley, Lord Simon Woolley, who is who
Speaker 2: you'll hear from next. I heard from him. I met
Speaker 2: him during a leadership, an international leadership convening in Denmark
Speaker 2: some years ago, and he is particularly impressive and brilliant,
Speaker 2: and we'll hear from him now as he speaks about Jason.
Speaker 4: That needs to be some reckoning, that there needs to
Speaker 4: be some justice. But today, today, today, from all of you, today,
Speaker 4: with all of you say after me, I am Professor
Speaker 4: Jason Awday. This was a vicious campaign, but it wasn't
Speaker 4: just a campaign against a professor.
Speaker 1: It was a campaign against Uliver so Angela. If you
Speaker 1: can just from from the beginning, if you can just
Speaker 1: tell people the cliff notes version of what he was
Speaker 1: accused of and how they followed through with their vicious attacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and I know again we have the post
Speaker 2: where it shows how many articles are written. But Jason
Speaker 2: arde again, he became the youngest black professor in the
Speaker 2: history of Cambridge. He was diagnosed as autistic and was
Speaker 2: nonverbal until he was eleven years old. But yet, the
Speaker 2: thing that I think is important is even if someone
Speaker 2: runs a foul of the rules, how do you hold
Speaker 2: them right? What are the accountability metrics? And I think
Speaker 2: for me, I believe for him. If he says he
Speaker 2: did not plagiarize Cambridge, I'm sorry. The institution that he
Speaker 2: attended for school and where he got his doctorate said
Speaker 2: that they had investigated it and they didn't find any
Speaker 2: incidents of plagiarism. That is the kind of thing that
Speaker 2: people should hold fast to, and instead people attacked him.
Speaker 2: One of the people who was chief among them is
Speaker 2: someone who thinks that black people should be limited to
Speaker 2: playing sports and being entertainers. So this is the same
Speaker 2: type of narrative we're seeing here as the nation, and
Speaker 2: then of course the world takes on. DEI we have
Speaker 2: to really reckon or like wrestle with what that means
Speaker 2: for us and our belonging and what types of space
Speaker 2: that creates for us, and the types of harm it
Speaker 2: creates for this for us when we are able to
Speaker 2: show up excellently, because we are still able to do
Speaker 2: that even when people erect elect erect roadblocks, and I
Speaker 2: think that is the other big part of this here.
Speaker 2: So I am you know my thoughts. My heart goes
Speaker 2: out to his family. He's a father, he's a husband,
Speaker 2: somebody's child, and he did not deserve this type of
Speaker 2: disgrace and shame and humiliation. I know, we have a
Speaker 2: graphic that shows how many articles were written overall. There's like,
Speaker 2: you know, in the number of articles in one publication
Speaker 2: was astronomical. And yeah, two hundred and forty nine articles
Speaker 2: in twenty two days. B I don't know about you,
Speaker 2: but when you get hit with that negative press, when
Speaker 2: it's two or three articles, two or three to five blogs,
Speaker 2: that's overwhelming. The comments are overwhelming when people disagree with you.
Speaker 2: The Bob farms now that they deploy, that's not unique
Speaker 2: to just America. These people cyberbullied and harass this man
Speaker 2: literally to death. And that's something we got to talk
Speaker 2: about because there was a time where Clarence tom Ass,
Speaker 2: as my dad would say, he called his nomination hearing
Speaker 2: a high tech lynching. This is actually a high tech lynching. No, And.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, it's it's extremely sad because you see,
Speaker 1: and we were hearing about the stories, and as as
Speaker 1: soon as we begin to hear about the story begin
Speaker 1: to percolate, he he killed himself. And it seems as
Speaker 1: if the weight of the world was just It's like
Speaker 1: if you stand in front of a fire hose and
Speaker 1: you realize that they're one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten fire hoses just pointing directly at you, and you
Speaker 1: ask yourself why, You're not even able to get an
Speaker 1: answer to why, And when you're trying to have moments
Speaker 1: of silence, you still hear the chaos of the lack
Speaker 1: of peace or the lack of serenity, and you know
Speaker 1: it's there are people who consciously went after him, showing
Speaker 1: using him as an example that black people do not belong,
Speaker 1: point blank period. And I think there's a lesson to
Speaker 1: be learned that I teach my kids all the time,
Speaker 1: which is we still have to be better than them.
Speaker 1: We cannot live in any gray areas. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he did, but I'm saying we just have to be
Speaker 1: We have to run faster, be cleaner, do everything better
Speaker 1: than the people who, unfortunately the world does not deem
Speaker 1: us equal to be, although we perform and excel and
Speaker 1: do things on a level many times that we find
Speaker 1: to be superb.
Speaker 3: Who cares about truth when the last more than seen it.
Speaker 2: What's your call to action, Angel, for us to just
Speaker 2: be better, be better to each other. I'm seriously.
Speaker 1: Because as simple as it is, I was like, that's
Speaker 1: absolutely like nail meet Ham or me nailhead.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, can we just do better by people?
Speaker 2: Like we don't know? Somebody actually warned some of the
Speaker 2: media outlets that they were going to cost him his life.
Speaker 2: So if somebody's telling you that, like take heed to that.
Speaker 2: We are living in such a fragile state globally. People
Speaker 2: don't know how to make ends meet. People are struggling
Speaker 2: on every side, like just be kind, you know, like
Speaker 2: really just be kind, Like fine, whatever, better angel, you
Speaker 2: need just be kind. And I'm telling myself that because
Speaker 2: I definitely will have road rage and ACTI full. I
Speaker 2: don't know where do people going. They may be rushing
Speaker 2: somebody to the emergency room where they might be dragging
Speaker 2: slow because they contact lens, fill out or whatever. Let's
Speaker 2: just be kind. I'm gonna work on it on road rage,
Speaker 2: y'all see me cutting up, Tell me I'm cutting up.
Speaker 2: I'm working.
Speaker 1: You know, mine is a little different minus to be better.
Speaker 1: And so I've always said that we have to be
Speaker 1: excellent and Benjamine Mays, who's the greatest educator of all time,
Speaker 1: said and all things that you do, you do them
Speaker 1: so well. That no man living dead or yet to
Speaker 1: be born can do them better. Unfortunately, we have to
Speaker 1: have that standard of excellence. And the problem that we
Speaker 1: have is right now we live in a culture of
Speaker 1: low expectation and oftentimes you get what you back. And
Speaker 1: so make sure that you're teaching your kids that if
Speaker 1: they want to be a doctor, b David Satcher. If
Speaker 1: they want to be a lawyer, beat Thurghend Marshal. If
Speaker 1: they want to be a scientist, I'd be George Washington Carver.
Speaker 1: I know if you want to be a if you
Speaker 1: want to be a politician, be Nelson Mandela, be extremely
Speaker 1: extremely good everything that we're possibly doing. So but that y'all.
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