WEBVTT - Are We Evolving Past the Two-Party System?

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<v Speaker 1>Native Lampod is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and forty five. Like I tell most people,

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<v Speaker 1>only forty five really count. That's the forty five I've

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<v Speaker 1>been here. But regardless, we give you our breakdown of

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<v Speaker 1>all things politics and culture. I am your host, Bakari Sellers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm joined by my amazing black panther. Today. She's

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<v Speaker 1>stressed for battle. She looks like one of Jesus' saints.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what she's over there doing, but she

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<v Speaker 1>is prepared for battle and for war none other than

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<v Speaker 1>Angela RII how you doing, Angela w Where are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Butkary, I just been traveling mind in my own black business,

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<v Speaker 2>and here you go from I'm a black panther to

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<v Speaker 2>I'm incognbro mission like I don't understand, but I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I am in Texas and as you know, Carmelo Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>has two really important hearings this week, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>am here to support him and the family and this

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<v Speaker 2>really incredible legal team and an effort that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully we see a positive outcome. So prayers up and

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<v Speaker 2>good vibes. Only from the community, please.

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<v Speaker 1>So on today's episode, Episode and forty five, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be talking about how the federal government started a

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance program towards targeting progressive groups in Minnesota after the

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<v Speaker 1>deaths of Alex Preddi and Renee Good. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration how would shut down an anti corruption

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<v Speaker 1>database so griftis can grift money, launderers can launder, and

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<v Speaker 1>scammers can scam. Shut out shout out to young Miami

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<v Speaker 1>surrogate mother has fled to Texas after refusing to abort

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<v Speaker 1>their pregnancy at the biological parents' request. We'll have more

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<v Speaker 1>details in FYSA. That is a story that I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interested to hear the contours of it, because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that may take us a little bit longer than

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<v Speaker 1>just the FYSA. And Angela's just going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>be mad then we talk about it so long. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Northwestern University is ending its eighty year old program

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<v Speaker 1>of African Studies, one of the most in depth programs

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<v Speaker 1>in the country. They're taking our history away from us.

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<v Speaker 1>And then actress Hayden Pennettier, best known for her Roland Heroes.

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<v Speaker 1>She died at the age of thirty six in Greenville,

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina. We'll talk about that for a little while

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's new Attorney General, Todd blanche is starting an initiative

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<v Speaker 1>to restore Felon's gun rights. You'll probably be surprised to

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<v Speaker 1>hear what I have to say about that. And we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to primary election results in Florida. There's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of big surprises. One huge surprise. Money doesn't win everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Vindermann probably had a different speech in mind evening,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have a couple of longer topics. Maybe maybe not,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think the main topic we'll discuss is what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly is the democratic establishment. We'll also try to get

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<v Speaker 1>to Professor Jason Arda, who was accused of plagiarism, hounded

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<v Speaker 1>to death, and died. Many of you all probably have

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<v Speaker 1>not heard about this story, but this is a story

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<v Speaker 1>that hits home because it shows you the power of media,

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<v Speaker 1>the power of ignorance, and what happens with black masculinity, fragility,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about mental health. All of that is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, so first, starting with four year Situational Little

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<v Speaker 1>Awareness also known as FYSA and Angela Madam Madam Black Panther,

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<v Speaker 1>please start off with what you got for us today,

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<v Speaker 1>with what's going on in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is Madame Black Panther coming from?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you got you you blacked up.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got to my room, like I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be here. Okay, I'm just trying to be here anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>For your situational awareness, we are talking Operation puppet Master.

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<v Speaker 2>Federal agents surveiled progressive groups and labor unions following the

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<v Speaker 2>ice kielings of Renee Good and Alex Pretty in early

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six. They infiltrated meetings, churches, schools, monitor group chats.

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<v Speaker 2>What does this sound like? Anybody heard a coin? Tell bro,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what it sounds like. It's giving. They never left

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit of Jaeggar Hoover because they're still in the

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<v Speaker 2>Jaeger Edgar Hoover building. And so it says that they

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<v Speaker 2>collected years of financial records from organizations like the Sunrise

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<v Speaker 2>Movement and major unions like our friends be at SCIU

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<v Speaker 2>where they have the first black woman president, April Verit,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's important for us to understand this also

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<v Speaker 2>communicat Workers of America, where there's also a black labor

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<v Speaker 2>union president. So it's fascinating to see that. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the FEDS are going to surveil where there is righteous

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<v Speaker 2>work happening. What'd you say about that?

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<v Speaker 1>You know we were there. It makes me always think about

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<v Speaker 1>what they were listening to, what happens when we touched

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. I know that's a very selfish thought process,

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<v Speaker 1>but when I talk to people about dealing with the FEDS,

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing you ever want them to do is

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<v Speaker 1>go snooping around. And so when I think about people

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<v Speaker 1>like Don Lemon, when I think about people like Georgia Fort,

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<v Speaker 1>when I think about the people who are.

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<v Speaker 2>Undergoing Jerome Richardson.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to get to Jerome Jerome Richardson. When

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<v Speaker 1>I think think about people who are undergoing the full

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<v Speaker 1>weight of the United States government, it just for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's troubling. I know that you and this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go kind of in the left field, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you've been reading about the flock cameras

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<v Speaker 1>recently and how how you've been seeing government rat up surveillance.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember a time when Republicans were like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want government in our building, we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>government in our space. And now they're in absolutely everything

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<v Speaker 1>we do, which is it's kind of a segue because

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<v Speaker 1>the federal governments and everything we do, unless they are

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<v Speaker 1>a Trump colleague and they are pillaring, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>pillaring is the word I want to use. Pillaring Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not, or they're drifting at a very high level

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<v Speaker 1>because the Trump administration announced recently that it's shutting down

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<v Speaker 1>and deleting an anti corruption database at the Treasury Department.

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<v Speaker 1>The unique part about this is this database track shell

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<v Speaker 1>company ownership and these shell companies that exist only on

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<v Speaker 1>paper to hold assets for businesses, ladies, and gentlemen. What

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<v Speaker 1>they are shutting down is the database which keeps criminals

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<v Speaker 1>and Monday launderers in one place so we know who

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<v Speaker 1>they are. It was originally created in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>following up a bipartisan effort to pass the Corporate Transparency Act,

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<v Speaker 1>which passed over then President Trump's veto so Angela. My

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<v Speaker 1>question to you is, why do you think they're doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>Criminals gonna crme like I'm sorry, Like it's for somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that so blatantly violates the Emolument's clause, someone who has

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<v Speaker 2>so many impeachable offenses, someone who hasn't engaged, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly and sexual assault. I don't expect anything from him

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<v Speaker 2>other than exactly this last week, as you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about how many bank accounts were flagged by Capital

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<v Speaker 2>I from money laundering for him. So of course he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to help the people who do the things that

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<v Speaker 2>he does. You know, this is a man that's tearing

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<v Speaker 2>up the White House and making the reflecting pool green.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, what else do you expect? I have nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, I think that I think that we have

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<v Speaker 1>to be extremely we have to be extremely careful and

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<v Speaker 1>cautious because as we said, as I tell everyone who listens,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a great comparable, comparable, or or analogous phrase

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<v Speaker 1>which is that Donald Trump is a bull in a

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<v Speaker 1>China shop, which is probably very true. However, when that

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<v Speaker 1>bull leaves that China shop, under whatever reason or for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, that China's forever destroyed. And although this was

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<v Speaker 1>just a piece of legislation that's been signing in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the last five years, what we're realizing is

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<v Speaker 1>that is that it's more necessary than ever because we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing people. I mean, you can look at the Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles Lakers and the sale thereof uh you can look

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<v Speaker 1>at how individuals who are impacting our daily lives, insurance companies,

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<v Speaker 1>the list goes on and on and on are participating

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<v Speaker 1>in shady activity. And this was one way to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>stamp that out, but instead we have this. I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to take me to Texas because I need you

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<v Speaker 1>to help me understand what's going on in Texas. Answer.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't ever know what's going on in Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's talk about this because this one is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fascinating to me. So there's a surrogate mother who

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<v Speaker 2>was asked, obviously to give birth to a child by

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<v Speaker 2>some parents who probably were struggling to have children. The

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<v Speaker 2>parents wanted this woman to abort this child that she

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<v Speaker 2>was carrying because it was diagnosed with a heart condition

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<v Speaker 2>twenty weeks into the pregnancy, this baby boy. The surrogate

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<v Speaker 2>mother is like, I'm not doing that. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's any any number of reasons why be in the

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<v Speaker 2>South to have an abortion these days is really really

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<v Speaker 2>treacherous and scary and you could end up in jail,

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<v Speaker 2>let them tell it. And so anyway, this surrogate mother

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<v Speaker 2>refused to abort the child. The baby was born in

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<v Speaker 2>Texas and had to undergo several heart surgeries and the

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<v Speaker 2>biological mother again because she refused to both the child

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<v Speaker 2>kept the baby. Now the parents who asked for her

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<v Speaker 2>to carry the baby have a restraining order against her

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<v Speaker 2>and there is a custody battle. She's calling the baby Gabriel,

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<v Speaker 2>they're calling the baby Roomy, and either way, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out what they want her to do. Like

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<v Speaker 2>y'all asked for the baby not to be here, and

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<v Speaker 2>now you want the baby. It's fascinating to me. What's

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<v Speaker 2>say you on this one?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. This is one of the most confusing

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<v Speaker 1>stories that I've been that I've had that it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>truly fascinating. Like why Texas is my first question, That's

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<v Speaker 1>my big question. Why Texas is an important question. I

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<v Speaker 1>am very cognizant of the fact that you know, me

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<v Speaker 1>and Al and we had our own iv F journey

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<v Speaker 1>understanding iv F, understanding you know how difficult it is.

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<v Speaker 1>We started out with iu I, we then went to

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<v Speaker 1>iv F. You know, Ellen almost lost but her her

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<v Speaker 1>life during childbirth. So I'm very cognizant of the difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>it is to have a child. I pray for people

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, not just to have healthy pregnancies, but

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<v Speaker 1>to have healthy births. So I get all of that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is interesting because I want to see what the

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<v Speaker 1>contract looks like between and y'all be like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about? Yeah, I want to.

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<v Speaker 2>See Oh that's a that's a fair point.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see what the contract looks like because

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, if you're a surrogate,

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<v Speaker 1>then you are just contractually carrying and as perverted as

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds, you're simply contractually carrying a child for someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see what rights the parents had in

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<v Speaker 1>the contract, and I will tell you a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>whose child it is. It's not like you can say

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want it, so now I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep it. I mean, that's not really the way surrogacy works.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but this is.

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<v Speaker 2>If they say they want the mom to abort the baby,

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<v Speaker 2>and the mother is like, I'm not comfortable with that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's for legal reasons or moral or ethical reasons, or

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<v Speaker 2>she was feeling some attachment to the child. Well, how

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<v Speaker 2>did they have a right to get the baby back?

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Well, that's that's a lot like fathers who say

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<v Speaker 1>they want their baby mama is to abort the baby,

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<v Speaker 1>and the mother's like, no, I'm gonna keep the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean like that don't mean the father ain't

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<v Speaker 1>the father no more. It don't mean like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess that is the baby necessarily, just like, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>you tried to abort the baby. Y'all wanted her to

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<v Speaker 2>abort the baby, and she's like, I'm protecting So what

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<v Speaker 2>if is it more like, you know, somebody throws the

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<v Speaker 2>stray puppy on the side of the road, and somebody

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<v Speaker 2>comes and rescues the puppy and keeps the puppy. Does

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<v Speaker 2>the person who threw the baby distray on the side

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<v Speaker 2>of the road, don't make that face? Follow me here,

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<v Speaker 2>follow me here, you go and rescue astray? How are

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<v Speaker 2>you not the custodio guardian of the stray?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>So this isn't that, Like what about Tupac Britta's got

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<v Speaker 2>a baby? Hello? The brenda through the baby and the dumpster.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't that either. So there was a contraction the dumpster, No,

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<v Speaker 1>this was they didn't the baby never reached what I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to know what constitutes a breach of the contract

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I want.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that I mean, we got that's we also have

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<v Speaker 1>to read the contract for that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's is that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Syracaucy is an interesting thing because I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>surrogacy is you literally, I mean, there are many ways

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<v Speaker 1>to have children in the world. You can adopt children,

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<v Speaker 1>I U I surrogacy, like all of those things are

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<v Speaker 1>very valid just natural processes whereby you have children, and

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<v Speaker 1>surrogacy means that. I mean, I'm not sure that you

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<v Speaker 1>know saying being as Sirien, you can actually say I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want the baby anymore. You have to have an abortion.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that's actually a thing. But I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>not sure by simply saying you wanted the baby to

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<v Speaker 1>be aborted, that's no longer your child. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where this I don't know where this lies on the

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<v Speaker 1>court of law. I mean, this is this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weird.

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<v Speaker 2>What is Mari when we need him?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Mari ain't gonna help because I mean, we know,

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<v Speaker 1>we know the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows she to mama, but he got to decide,

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<v Speaker 2>like I know the other daddy and mama have a say.

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<v Speaker 1>The baby needs one one name, or they gotta make

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<v Speaker 1>it like Gabrielle Rooney or Roomy. Yeah, that's that, you

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<v Speaker 1>know who I pray. I pray for the baby because

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this, Lolo said in the chat. Also, the

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<v Speaker 2>baby had hypoplastic left heart syndrome, which has one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent fatality rate. Well a baby is here, God said,

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<v Speaker 2>not so so anyway. Also, clearly we ain't seen the.

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<v Speaker 1>Contract, and Lolo also didn't tell you when the fatality

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<v Speaker 1>rate was within a year, within two years. Lo Lo

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<v Speaker 1>just out here stating random ass footnotes that she she.

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<v Speaker 2>Said, every case dies before thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but I mean like thirty five. That's that you

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<v Speaker 1>there are.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a just died before that? When did Jesus die?

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<v Speaker 2>When did Martin?

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty three?

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<v Speaker 2>See what I'm saying, You see how much life you

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<v Speaker 2>can live, what you can give to the people.

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<v Speaker 1>That was kind of my point exactly. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that point that you and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your point now because I have helped you through

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<v Speaker 2>shrap puppies and Brenda's got a baby and everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't I think I might be right on

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<v Speaker 1>this one. I honestly don't think I'm gonna let you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna let you live on this.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, I mean, let me tell you this, because

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<v Speaker 2>this is a really good point to bring this up.

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<v Speaker 2>So breaking news. In my d MS, I got berated

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<v Speaker 2>by some random man who said that I regularly emasculate you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I yeah, he said, I regularly emasculate you. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't let you talk and I'm condescending and I down

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you. So I don't know how you feel

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<v Speaker 2>about that, but I just want nigga.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were about to apologize.

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<v Speaker 3>I was about to apologize that I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 3>you think I'm Does he not listen to you call

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<v Speaker 3>yourself Beyonce on these episodes?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he not hear you say? You just call me

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<v Speaker 2>a black panther or whatever other kind of shit you

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<v Speaker 2>accused me of robbing somebody?

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<v Speaker 1>Right now?

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<v Speaker 2>When I got out of here, you got so much

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to say. He don't hear nothing you say to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the brother is sexist. That's what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh it might It.

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<v Speaker 2>Might be a bock farm. Actually might be a bock

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<v Speaker 2>farm of ignorance.

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<v Speaker 1>One person is.

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<v Speaker 2>In my phone I'd have been created in the last One.

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<v Speaker 1>Person is not a farm second. I think that you

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<v Speaker 1>should apologize for your behavior. You should apologize for your behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's okay if you don't alogize.

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize that you might possibly feel like you agree

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<v Speaker 2>with this man.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily agree with him, but I can understand.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you trying to get me to apological? Move on

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<v Speaker 2>to your next clip.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sad about my next clip. I was actually have

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<v Speaker 1>my little dance. I don't know if you remember this

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<v Speaker 1>dance right here, and she did this, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>and she did that, and then she came and she swung.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember when Hayden.

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<v Speaker 2>Study bring it on the way you did it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, she did this? She was like, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like you think that this is a strip

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<v Speaker 2>club situation. And I think you just need to move

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<v Speaker 2>on because you don't choreograph like Janet Jackson or Living Color.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do choreograph like I do choreograph like Hating

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<v Speaker 1>Pennanty here. She was an actress and a child star.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been reading her book recently. I asked all of

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<v Speaker 1>you all to go pick it up. I was reading

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<v Speaker 1>it on my flight to the West Coast today. I

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<v Speaker 1>read the first six chapters of it, very tor minute.

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<v Speaker 1>She died at the age of thirty six in Greenville,

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina. She starred in the TV shows Heroes in Nashville.

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<v Speaker 1>And she also started like I do my dance and

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<v Speaker 1>I do this. We started in a lot of movies

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<v Speaker 1>that we.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to, you they have no idea what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>So just doing the.

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<v Speaker 1>Dance, doing the dance with her and Solange. She was

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<v Speaker 1>found dance. She was found dead in her home with

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<v Speaker 1>apparent signs of cardiac arrest. No foul play, although it's

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<v Speaker 1>under further investigation. We're watching this play out. The book

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading was her memoir This is Me, A Reckoning,

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<v Speaker 1>which detailed her life as a child star and her

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<v Speaker 1>struggles with depression, substance abuse, and domestic abuse. She was

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<v Speaker 1>with her domestic abus her at the time she died.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just awful human being, just a terrible, terrible, terrible

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<v Speaker 1>person who actually served time in jail for domestically abusing her.

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<v Speaker 1>And what we've seen is that there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different things that happened Hollywood, a lot of different

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<v Speaker 1>things that happened in child stars growing up Hayden with

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who you you know, you adored. She was right

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<v Speaker 1>up there with Tapanga for most of us. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a sad case of someone who you could tell

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<v Speaker 1>has been tormented with the ghost of Hollywood for a

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<v Speaker 1>very long period of time, but has always been there,

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<v Speaker 1>like every year or every other year, there's been a

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<v Speaker 1>movie or a series that she's played a role in.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she recently died and there were two ambulances there.

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<v Speaker 1>There was narcin in the house, and she was in Greenville,

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina. She had just after training order was lifted.

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<v Speaker 1>She was spending time with her ex boyfriend, and she

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<v Speaker 1>recently passed away. So that's my two cents on Hayden, Panitie,

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<v Speaker 1>you got anything on that, Angela.

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<v Speaker 2>It's devastating. No, sorry for her family's loss and to

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<v Speaker 2>the many people who she impacted to bringing on in

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<v Speaker 2>all of her other work.

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<v Speaker 1>May she rest, Yeah, And she she has a beautiful daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe her daughter is. I believe her daughter is

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<v Speaker 1>eleven now. And she has a daughter by the former

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<v Speaker 1>Vladimir Vladimir Klitchka. I couldn't even get his name out

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<v Speaker 1>of Vladimir Klitschko, who's a former boxing champion lives in

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine and this ship is just sad, so we'll move

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<v Speaker 1>on something else. Said Northwestern University, one of the premier

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<v Speaker 1>institutions for African studies, not African American Studies, but African Studies.

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<v Speaker 1>They laid off their entire staff. It was started eighty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago and was the first academic program focused on

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<v Speaker 1>Africa in the entire United States of America. Was founded

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<v Speaker 1>by American anthropologists.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, listen, I'm Perskavitz, Melville Perskavitz.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's Melville Jherskovitz.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, Well you can't even get through the first part,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was just helping you. Welcome, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're always there for me. It's unclear if other Northwestern

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<v Speaker 1>staff will take responsibility of continuing the African Studies program

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<v Speaker 1>in Northwestern. Students who major in minor and African African

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<v Speaker 1>studies have been left in the dark about the program's future.

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<v Speaker 1>For me to sit home because my father was the

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<v Speaker 1>director of African American Studies and people are like that

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<v Speaker 1>don't really sound like the same thing, although it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like the same thing, but there was such overlap between

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<v Speaker 1>the Africana Studies or African studies and African American studies

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<v Speaker 1>and just the richness of the culture and how it

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<v Speaker 1>prepared you for interdisciplinary future and career, and the things

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<v Speaker 1>that Northwestern had that other people didn't have. Understanding colonialism,

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<v Speaker 1>understanding the richness of the continent, understanding the diaspora. We

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<v Speaker 1>are going to miss the program at Northwestern. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is what happens. Elections have consequences. All you negroes who

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:27.080
<v Speaker 1>are out there talking about Trump and Hillary Clinton were

0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.679
<v Speaker 1>the lesser or two evils. This is what happens and

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<v Speaker 1>we're still dealing with that in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, on top of the elections have consequences, narrative will

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<v Speaker 2>just keep that party going. The new Attorney General, Todd

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<v Speaker 2>blanche is launching a process for formerly incarcerated individuals to

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<v Speaker 2>apply to have their gun rights reinstated. They're expecting approximately

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and thirty thousand people to apply in the

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<v Speaker 2>first year of the initiative. I actually am not opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to this beak where you.

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<v Speaker 1>Say no, I actually think it's a great piece of legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, individuals who are formally incarcerated,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do everything we can and make sure

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<v Speaker 1>they get the gun now. Only there's a caveat The

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<v Speaker 1>only people who do not need their gun rights back

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<v Speaker 1>are people who are convicted of domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 2>I think anybody that's also used a weapon like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, attempted murder and you know, is proven,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they should have to go through a more

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<v Speaker 2>rigorous process. I will say one concern that I've had

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 2>historically from family members and friends who are formally incarcerated.

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<v Speaker 2>If you get like pulled over and you have a

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<v Speaker 2>weapon on you, you like risk your whole life again.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's an important piece to this,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you shouldn't have been this shouldn't be categorized as

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<v Speaker 2>a reoffense, like you're reoffended and are now back in

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<v Speaker 2>the carceral system. I think that that is a really,

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<v Speaker 2>really huge problem. So hopefully this addresses some of that.

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<v Speaker 2>What I will tell y'all is we got to read

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<v Speaker 2>the fine print, which I have not done honestly yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is important because the Trump administration regularly does

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<v Speaker 2>things for the headlines, but not for the long run,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is a different type of game. We saw

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<v Speaker 2>some of that be with the first step back. They

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<v Speaker 2>have renigged on a lot of the first step back commitments.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen that with you know, we've seen them do

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<v Speaker 2>that on any number of occasions about a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>different things that are actually supposed to be helpful. I

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<v Speaker 2>imagine that even with the Trump accounts, the baby bonds,

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<v Speaker 2>which was Corey Booker's legislation, I am sure that at

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<v Speaker 2>some point this dude is gonna renig on the baby

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<v Speaker 2>bonds and getting people children some money right when they

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<v Speaker 2>get come out the womb. So there's that. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>got to make sure you read the fine print. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>all read it together and talk about it next week.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got some good results coming up in Florida and

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<v Speaker 2>some not so good results results.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 1>We got results coming up. So we got Wie Washerman

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<v Speaker 1>shots who won PLU.

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<v Speaker 2>So the black people see, let me just make sure

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<v Speaker 2>we clear about this. But Kari not gonna say this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you all this. Wie Washerman Shoultz carpetbag

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<v Speaker 2>to ass into a black district and stole a black

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<v Speaker 2>seat from black people because black folks did not consolidate

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<v Speaker 2>around a singular candidate on this particular graphic. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>see the number of people who were in that seat running.

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<v Speaker 2>There were I believe four black candidates. If you add

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<v Speaker 2>up all of their numbers, they one of them would

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<v Speaker 2>have beat w Washerman Shoults. It is the argument that

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<v Speaker 2>many of us had with these candidates, the conversations that

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<v Speaker 2>Uncle Luke who got on the phone with me and

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<v Speaker 2>others and said that he was confident he was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be able to raise money. You asked him how much

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<v Speaker 2>money he had cash on hand but car He said

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<v Speaker 2>six thousand dollars, But he was confident he was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be able to raise money. Look at where he plays.

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<v Speaker 2>He placed the same place he placed when he ran

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 2>for mayor of Miami, was the mayor of Miami or

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Miami Beach, wherever whatever Miami he ran for. He was

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 2>in fourth place. What place he in this time?

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 2>He got seven percent of the vote. Was it seven percent?

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't see on this graphic. I need to look

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 2>at the graphic, I said, But the bottom line is

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 2>he ain't placed. He placed like I used to do

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 2>in track the place before last. Okay, So yeah, let's

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 2>look Luther, I'm sorry, Luther Campbell right now. And the

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>results they were with sixty seven percent of the votes.

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 2>In maybe somebody has an updated graphic now he had

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>seven point six percent of the vote be So he

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>was the one that wanted people to consolidate around him.

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Even Sheila, who was about to be expelled from Congress,

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 2>got more percentage of votes than him.

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Why are you mad at Luke?

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.880
<v Speaker 2>My god, I'm not just mad at Luke. I'm mad

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>at all of them for not consolidating. But I think

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 2>my bigger issue is consolid No, he tried to consolidate

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 2>around him. He tried to consolidate around him. He didn't

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 2>try to consolidate around Elijah or Dale Wholeness. Dale. And

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 2>this is what I was telling people. I was, like,

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 2>all of them, it's probably dal Wholeness that's the most

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 2>formidable because he's the one who ran the ground game

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 2>in that district for Andrews Race. That dude has contacts.

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.119
<v Speaker 2>So if they would have all consolidated around Dale Wholeness.

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know Elijah that well, but I heard he

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 2>was doing kind of Well, what's this Florida twenty. I'm

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 2>just going to check theirs out to see where we

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 2>are now with the time of recording this show, we're

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 2>still in election return night, So yeah, it has uh

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Debue Washerman shows with thirty thousand plus, so forty five

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 2>percent of the vote. You know in some states that

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>would be runoff territory. Dan Dale Holdn has had twenty

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 2>three percent of vote. Luther Campbell ended up with eight

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>point four percent of the vote, five thousand, six hundred

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 2>and seventy nine votes. You know what that is? You

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 2>remember that's six thousand dollars. I don't you that's about

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 2>a dollar person, that's six k. He had cash in cash.

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>That ain't That's not bad. I mean, that's a good return.

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>God damn. If you only got six thousand dollars cash

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>on here, drop out. You're not gonna win a congressional race.

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Come on now, these black folks voted overwhelming lay nearly

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>two to one for DeBie Washerman Shows and Emanuel Do

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 1>we know the returns.

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to talk to my former boss about that.

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I was happy she got thirty thousand, She got thirty thousand.

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>The closest person and got fifteen thousand. That's two to one.

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, can we talk about somebody that we're happy about?

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>At least I'm happy about I don't know if you're

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>happy about it.

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh, go ahead, let's go. I mean I think we should.

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>I think cause the biggest surprise all night was Debbie

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Washerman Show's winning that race at seven o one. But

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>actually that's probably the second biggest surprise because what happened, No,

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 1>that's the second biggest, because the biggest surprise actually happened

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>on the United States Senate front with Alex Vindermann, who

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 1>raised millions and millions of dollars, getting destroyed by a

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>young lady.

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Progressive we got on our show who and Nixon.

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm an amazing progressive black woman who actually raised less

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>than a million dollars and if you look at the

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>vote count, she got more than ten percent, more than

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>more than one hundred thousand votes more than the next person.

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness.

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, can I just say to you be? The

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>thing that I respect about Angie is something really similar

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 2>that we saw when Andrew ran in Florida. And I

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 2>remember there being a time when people were like, it's impossible,

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>there's no ways he's going to break through. But one

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 2>of the moments Andrew had that was really telling and

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>change the game was he decided to lean into his

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 2>roots and there was something where he needed to kind

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 2>of speak out in protest. I can't remember the particular issue,

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>but Angie had a moment like that, and it was

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:33.959
<v Speaker 2>around redistricting. And what we know we're all experiencing is

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>this thirst, this desire, this urge to have our elected

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 2>officials speak up and be courageous and take a stand

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>for something bold and different. And she had a breakout

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>moment to the point where Rondo Santras was like, Okay, well,

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm pressing charges right, Like, she stood up for the

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 2>people when people were like, well, now, if our voices

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 2>are going to be erased in the redistrict process, what

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>do we do? And Angie had that breakout moment. We

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>talked about it on a solo pot here. She was

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 2>phenomenal there, and I think that it's worth people paying

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>attention to. They're labeling her as a democratic socialist, as

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>a poison pill in this race, but really with democratic socialism,

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and I think we're gonna end up getting into this

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>in this conversation around establishment versus whatever is this has

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>become a name brand, a label for people who are

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>not beholden to any particular set of issues. You know,

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>any you know, folks who tell you what time it is,

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 2>what the rules are going to be, or whatever. They're

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 2>dancing to the beat of their own drum and they're

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 2>following their instincts and they're getting labeled as democratic socialists

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 2>because that is what the Republicans want to do, to

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of create a boogeyman situation. But it's backfiring.

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think it's an interesting race because we saw

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>someone what was a young lady who is a former congressman,

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>former chief of police in the city of Orlando, who

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 1>ran for the United States yademics, Val Demings. We saw

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Val Demings, who was a moderate by all intents and purposes,

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 1>somebody who espouse progressive views, but who in this particular

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>election environment would be considered to be a moderate. We

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>saw her come up short. So it's going to be

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>interesting to see how Angie plays out. But I do

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>want to play this clip because to highlight the point

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>that you were making. I want to play this clip

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>from what David Jolly said, who's a former Republican. This

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>is going to exacerbate the risks that we have in

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>the party. But a former Republican who is now a Democrat,

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>who won the Democratic nomination for governor in the state

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to run against Byron Donald's Let's play this clip from him.

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 5>Is this a state Florida that can elect you as

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 5>governor but also elects progressive Angie Nixon for the US

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 5>Senate at the same time. Well, we're going to find out.

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 5>We're going to find out. Look, I reject the DSA,

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 5>I reject socialism. I'm a cap Listen. I think capitalism

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 5>provides the greatest amount of economic mobility. I have been

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 5>with Angie on the trail, and I'll tell you this,

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 5>She's a fighter. She leaves it all on the field.

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 5>She goes in every room talking about what I talk about.

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 5>Can we improve your access to housing, affordable housing, to healthcare?

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 5>Do you know where to educate your kids? What is

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 5>it a government can do where the private sector is

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 5>unable to improve your life? Angie's out there fighting for

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 5>those same values. I think she and I have a

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 5>very different approach to this. Look, I reject socialism, I'm

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 5>a capitalist. We'll see how Florida's voters sort that out

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 5>in November.

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>So I just think that's an interesting He was very

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 1>clear which most elected officials are not most politicians are not.

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>He started out by answering the question that wasn't even

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:48.719
<v Speaker 1>asked of him, but then he actually did something. He

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>came around and actually emboldened her by simply saying, Look,

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been in rooms that everybody else is an n

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I've been in rooms with her. She talks to people

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>in ways that I talk to people. So I'm this

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>is going to be This is going to be a

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>race that is kind of fascinating to watch, and I

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 1>want to see how nimble she is in being able

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>to kind of not dodge rain drops, but be able

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>to talk about issues that matter to people without being

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>caricatured with issues that don't. If that makes sense.

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>It does. I think that part of our work as

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>people of goodwill, as Vince my brother Vince would say,

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 2>is like, well, like what do the labels have to

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 2>do with what you're ready to do for the people?

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Like how much do people like working people, every day people,

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.399
<v Speaker 2>the every day voter, how much do they care about

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 2>those labels? And is it that socialism in Florida has

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>a more dangerous context for some of the Latino voters

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 2>because of folks proximity to Cuba or the fact that

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 2>they are like white cube in there, like is this

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 2>that why they're playing that up? I think that for

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 2>him to say that they're in similar rooms having similar

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:11.800
<v Speaker 2>conversations with similar values, forget the label. What are your values?

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>What do the people need? And how are you planning

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 2>to meet those needs? How are you going to advocate

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 2>for those people as an executive, as the governor David Jolly,

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:22.879
<v Speaker 2>or as a senator Angie Nixon, And I think that's

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>really it. So this conversation that we're getting ready to

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>have about the establishment, I think it's really important because

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 2>there's almost like you know in church, you have an

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 2>alter call, right, there's like there's like come to the

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>front of the congregation. We're being asked to redefine what

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 2>we stand for as this country celebrates it's two hundred

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 2>and fiftieth. What do we really value what really matters

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 2>to us? And is it the label of being a

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 2>blue a donkey or a red elephant and a Democrat

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>or a Republican or do you care if people have

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 2>food to put on the table and wages that are

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 2>fair and ability to survive childbirth and healthcare on the

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 2>other side for the mom, the kid and everybody in

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.840
<v Speaker 2>the family. Do you care about your elders being able

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 2>to pay their medical bills? You know? Do you care

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.800
<v Speaker 2>about children being able to eat free food at school

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and beyond meals when they get home? Like, those are

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the kinds of things that we should be talking about.

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 2>And if I were them, if I were advising either

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 2>of them, I'd say just this the labels altogether, because

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have to crisscross party lines and go

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 2>find new voters that do not find themselves in the

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 2>confines of these two parties.

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>You just are yeah, that is the way in formula Yeah,

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 1>And you're going to have to be willing to disassociate

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>yourself with the things that are politically unpopular, which means

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 1>that you just don't ascribe the litmus test, which drives

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 1>me nuts because we live in a party and we

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>live in a country where everybody wants to have a

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>certain litmus test, meaning that you have to say x

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 1>y Z to x y z issue and that's just

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>not the way, not the way it that it works.

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Let's play a clip particularly about Medicare for All, actually

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 1>for DSA first, before we get to Medicare for All,

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>because Kristen Welker had an interview with a Kim Jeffries,

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 1>which has made a lot of noise. And I think

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>my larger question is, and this is what's been frustrating me.

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've talked, I've spoken to Jamial Hill, I've

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.800
<v Speaker 1>actually been on TV with Jamil. I mean, I've I've

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>listened to Van, I've listened to Charlemagne, I've listened to

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 1>all the individuals kind of talk about the establishment versus

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 1>DSA or DSA versus progressive versus. I don't even know

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 1>what it means anymore, but listen to Chris Kirsten Welker

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and Kim Jeffries had this conversation about DSA first, and

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 1>then let's hope back in on.

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 6>The other side, democratic socialists belong in the Democratic Party.

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 7>Leader Jeffries, Well, what I can say is that I

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 7>do not support defunding the police. I do not support

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 7>open borders. I do not support abolishing the Senate. We're

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:13.799
<v Speaker 7>focused on actually solving problems that hard working American taxpayers

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 7>want us to solve, which is to lower the high

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.399
<v Speaker 7>cost of living in a situation where life is far

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:22.839
<v Speaker 7>too expensive in this country. That's the democratic agenda, That's

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.760
<v Speaker 7>what House Democrats are fighting to achieve.

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 6>Do you think, though, that there is room in the

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 6>Democratic Party under the tent of the Democratic Party for

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 6>Democratic socialists? Is it big enough?

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.439
<v Speaker 7>Well, listen, I don't support the DSA agenda as has

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 7>been articulated by the DSAY itself. Now, you're going to

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 7>have individual members who have been elected in Democratic primaries,

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 7>and if they are elected in the general in November,

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 7>will be part of the House Democratic Caucus. It's going

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 7>to be a broad caucus. There will be Progressives, there

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 7>will be new Dems, there will be blue dogs. What

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 7>I'm excited about are the candidates who are running to

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 7>flip seats in November to deliver us a majority that

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 7>pushes back against Donald Trump's extremism and moves the country

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 7>in the right direction. That means us House Democrats lowering

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:26.359
<v Speaker 7>the high cost of living in areas like groceries and

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 7>gas and of course housing, and fighting to make health

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 7>care affordable for every single American, while at the same

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:36.319
<v Speaker 7>period of time, pushing back against the corruption that has

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 7>been leased on the American people and holding the crooks

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 7>accountable beginning on day one in January.

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<v Speaker 1>Of next year. Actually, you know, I've always said that

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>there are certain things that King Jefferies needs to do

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and what I want them to do to make it

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 1>easier to get to November and actually go into being speaker.

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I have no issue with nothing that he said in

0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that clip, though.

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I do because I think that you can't expect to

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 2>be welcomed as the speaker and voted for to be

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:19.319
<v Speaker 2>speaker for people whose policies you condemn. And I think

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 2>that there's a way to say, you know, I don't

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:25.400
<v Speaker 2>always agree with the blue dogs. I don't always agree

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 2>with people who identify as Democratic Socialists or Working Family

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Party members. I don't always agree with, you know, the

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>progressives in our party. But everybody has a home here

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.439
<v Speaker 2>so long as we remain a big tent, and we're

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:43.959
<v Speaker 2>going to figure out how to elect our leadership team

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 2>and get good policy paths for the American people that

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, ensure that people have affordable wages and blah

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:52.799
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah. There's a way to do that.

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I reject the idea that you have to fall into

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 2>the trap of making these people the boogeyman, especially when

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 2>the boogeyman has the juice. I'm Donnie busy jumping in

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 2>pools with all his full suit on. In New York,

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 2>he getting child care free, he getting people free bus

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 2>passes and stuff. And they not mad at him, They

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 2>mad at you. Yeah, So how do you make him

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 2>your friend? Right now? There's not smart politics to go

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 2>on air and condemn people based on a Republican talking point.

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 2>That's not how you grow them. Because these people got

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.399
<v Speaker 2>to vote for him in January. On the other side

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:37.439
<v Speaker 2>of November is a democratic leadership election in January. He's

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 2>not going to have positive results if he condemns these

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 2>people all the way up to November, just.

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:47.799
<v Speaker 1>Not going to happen. I agree with you to the

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 1>point whereby there has to be a realization that the

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>politics of democratic socialism don't work everywhere. And like, that's

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:00.399
<v Speaker 1>why I say I agree with you to a certain

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 1>extent because what you said, but what you said, But

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 1>what you said, though is like not wrong, And what

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 1>you said is embracing the philosophies and embracing the policies

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 1>that work, embracing the policies that the American public are

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 1>thirsting for, which I would argue many Democrats have been

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>making for a long period of time. However, you know,

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:29.680
<v Speaker 1>we we have to. We have to understand that there's

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>certain initiatives, certain policies, certain et cetera that just don't

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>that that ain't flying in Georgia. I mean, it's not

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>flying in Pennsylvania where you got to win those.

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Houses because of how they're talking about it.

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 1>No, it's because they're outside of the main stream. It's

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 1>like there's nobody, there's nobody who believes that. There aren't

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>people in the three swing states in Pennsylvania who believe

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 1>that defunding police is a sound policy position.

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but I think I think that that is a

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>cheap argument. Like when was the last time you've heard

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 2>progressive people and I'm not talking about raging liberals or

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.360
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever you want to call these folks talking

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 2>about defunding the police. Like, let's go. Let's go too.

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Since you want to call me a black canther today,

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 2>let's go to the ten point program. We want freedom,

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.480
<v Speaker 2>we want empower to determine the destiny of our black community.

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Everybody wants to be free. Let's call that. We want

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the American Dream Number two. We want full employment for

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 2>our people. Everybody needs a job. We want everybody, everybody

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.239
<v Speaker 2>who is able to work in this country to be

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 2>able to get a job. That's so this is what

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 2>we're calling socialism. We want to an end to the

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 2>robbery by the capitalists of our black community. That's talking

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 2>about people who are the people that are getting these

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.800
<v Speaker 2>big tax breaks, the people that Donald Trump is helping

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 2>the money launder we were just talking about earlier. They're

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.359
<v Speaker 2>taking away people's ability to have Medicaid Medicare snap benefits.

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 2>We want decent housing fit for the shelter of human beings.

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 2>These are all things that would have been deemed as

0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 2>socialism when the Black Panther Party for Self Defence put

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 2>this platform out in nineteen sixty eight.

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's not And I'm just saying, sorry, yeah,

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 1>but that's not what we're talking about today, And that's

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:10.879
<v Speaker 1>not what we're talking must. But that's not But that's

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:12.919
<v Speaker 1>but that's not what we're talking about when you're talking

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 1>about things like abolishing the Senate, when you're talking about

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you know that that's.

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Not there because those people don't say that. Antie Nixon

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 2>is not saying abouts the Senate. Shit, she's running for

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 2>the Senate, Like that's what I'm saying. Like some of

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that they're putting on DSAH.

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's not there putting. It's not they're

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 1>putting on them. I mean, it's what it's It's like,

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I don't.

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Have anybody asks Angie Nixon why she's running for a

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>seat that she seeks to abolish. It's because she doesn't

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 2>believe in that. And what's unfortunate here is Hakem and

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 2>everybody else who has not taken including David Jolly, who

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 2>I really like as well, have not taken the time

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.839
<v Speaker 2>to figure out what the new iteration of their platform is.

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 2>People are harkening back to a platform that they're no

0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 2>longer like building upon. These folks have pivoted and evolved.

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>There's ship that the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton pushed for,

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 2>including cutting food stamps, that the Democratic Party of today

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 2>doesn't stand for. So I just think we have to

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.919
<v Speaker 2>be not be disingenuous in our approach about this. There

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 2>are I think they probably agree eighty five percent at

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 2>the time, you know what I mean, Why are y'all

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 2>even writing on that, like you're letting Fox News dictate

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 2>how you talk about DSA folks, And it sounds like

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 2>goddamn Antifa again, and what is that. It's like it's

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 2>a faux organization that they manufactured to scare the hell

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 2>out of white.

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, it's not anything that's that's that's

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 1>like that far off. But I mean, you're talking about

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 1>defund the police, You're talking about in all misdemeanors.

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Where is that? Where is that on Angie's platform? I'm

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 2>just saying about Angie.

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not talking about you have to.

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Talk about Angie because she but I think that that's.

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, the problem is.

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 2>B what we end up doing is we put this

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>DSA label on Casper and we don't look at that

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:17.240
<v Speaker 2>label on the actual candidate who's running. So the actual

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:20.839
<v Speaker 2>candidate who's running or the actual candidate who won, what

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 2>do they stand for when you go to their site?

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:28.400
<v Speaker 2>What are they saying? I guarantee you abolishing the police

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:32.239
<v Speaker 2>and the Senate is not on Angie's page, So.

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Why you can't but you can't be a so that

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that doesn't that doesn't work when you're trying

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 1>to me.

0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.439
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of stuff that we don't agree with

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the Democratic Party on and yet we still vote Democratic.

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 2>It's not fair. What do what does she stand for?

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:50.319
<v Speaker 2>What does that candidate stand for?

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:55.560
<v Speaker 1>But I'm so My only point is if you're you're

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 1>going to literally have to answer these questions in a

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.680
<v Speaker 1>general election. I'm not talking about a premire, the Premiariy is over.

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about in a general election. You're going to

0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 1>have to answer these questions because are you asking me?

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 1>If I don't know the Moody girl's first name, but Ashley,

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I think, are you asking me? Is Ashley Moody better

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 1>than Angie Nixon? The answers no, under no straightform or

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>fashion however, that conversation, but Ashley, that that is the

0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:27.400
<v Speaker 1>conversation that twenty percent of the people in Florida are

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>going to have. And my point is when you are,

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:33.400
<v Speaker 1>when you but when you call yourself, when you are

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 1>part of a party, right, whether or not you adopt

0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:40.239
<v Speaker 1>everything that they say, you are saying, you're going to

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 1>end all misdemeanors, You're going to abolish all prisons, You're

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:50.800
<v Speaker 1>going to disarmline. I hear you, I hear you.

0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Better you keep going back to this, and it cheapens

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 2>and it flattens the analysis in ways that I don't

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 2>think is fair to any candidate running for office, and

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 2>as someone who who is a former candidate yourself, it's

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 2>because because you can't let me just say this as

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:09.760
<v Speaker 2>an example, we have an autopsy report from the Democratic

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Party of what happened after Kamala's race. We don't agree

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 2>with the ship that went down, so I'm not going

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.320
<v Speaker 2>to hold that back for them. Angie is she supports

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:22.320
<v Speaker 2>a working Families guarantee. She has medcare for all, universal

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 2>childcare and pre K, quality public education, cradle to career housing,

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 2>you can afford, standing with workers and unions, reigning in

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 2>big tech and AI. A foreign policy rooted in diplomacy,

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 2>human rights and restraints, climate action that magines together the crisis,

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 2>protecting and expanding democracy, getting money out of politics, making

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 2>billionaires and corporations pay their fair share. She sounds like

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Warren to me, she sounds like somebody who with

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:50.719
<v Speaker 2>a good, solid progressive platform. She don't have shit on

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 2>here about abolishing.

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 1>But you can't. But you can't be DSA when you

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:58.760
<v Speaker 1>want to win a primary. Not only this is my point,

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 1>you can't be DSA when you want to win a

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 1>primary and mobilized progression and then say and then say

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be and then say you're gonna be

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 1>somebody else. And by the way, Elizabeth Warren can't win

0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:09.120
<v Speaker 1>in Florida.

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 2>No, never been, She's never been anybody else. But what

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 2>it says on this website today, the day that she

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:20.840
<v Speaker 2>won the primary, and who she's been in the state's exactly.

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:25.400
<v Speaker 1>This disagreement is not about I don't know her or her.

0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just using utilizing Angie because I don't want to

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 2>have a random Casper on this, like let's name the

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:34.360
<v Speaker 2>elected or lame the candidate and go to their platform

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 2>rather than oh, they want to we went through.

0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 1>We went through. I mean, okay, so if we're going

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 1>to do that, I mean we we just we saw that.

0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 1>We saw that, we saw that Francesca Fum didn't win.

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 1>So that that is somebody who I believe that's that

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:56.480
<v Speaker 1>was her name. I don't want to miss because I

0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:59.239
<v Speaker 1>think you just because you know, I haven't that's my.

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Her name is Francesca Hong.

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 1>What did you call? I'm sorry, but let's go to.

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Lost, So let's talk about somebody.

0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I know, I know, I know, I know,

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:12.839
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's the right thing to do, right

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:16.840
<v Speaker 2>we can go to Mam Donnie'm Donnie's in office, Democratic Socialists,

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:17.359
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing?

0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:19.960
<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to go to and this is what

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to find the young lady who simply

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 1>who recently won Daria Liza Chevalier, the Democratic candidate for

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Congress in New York, who is a Democratic socialist, and

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 1>where she talked about abolishing the police. She wanted to

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.480
<v Speaker 1>abolish prisons, She wanted to get rid of borders. She

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:48.760
<v Speaker 1>praised communism, She called for open borders and zero deportations

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:53.400
<v Speaker 1>even for criminals. She attacked Joe Biden, she attacked Kamala

0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Harris and her posts. So my only point is that

0:50:57.040 --> 0:50:59.759
<v Speaker 1>we're going to use the same litmus test that you

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:04.279
<v Speaker 1>did Hues for Angie, which is fair. I think that

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>is absolutely fair if you're going to judge them and

0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:11.880
<v Speaker 1>in that vacuum, which is hard, it's really hard to do.

0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:13.440
<v Speaker 1>But for the purpose of this show, I think if

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.120
<v Speaker 1>we're going to live in that truth, then that's let's

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 1>let's live in that truth. We have to look at

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:22.080
<v Speaker 1>all of them and you know, feed them out the

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 1>out the same spoon.

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 2>You give them the opportunity to say, do you still

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.719
<v Speaker 2>stand by what you said on this X y Z date.

0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Because sometimes when they get to the general, as you know,

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 2>they pivot, people get moderate a little bit. It's like, Okay,

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:36.960
<v Speaker 2>now I don't have to break out as much. So

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:40.360
<v Speaker 2>what's really good? My mayor is supposed to I'm not

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:42.799
<v Speaker 2>even call her my mayor. The Seattle mayor, as you know,

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 2>because I talk about it on multiple shows, is highly problematic.

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:48.120
<v Speaker 2>And she's supposed to be progressive. To me, she's just

0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 2>a raging liberal with limited experience, and she talks about

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 2>some of the dumb shit you're saying. It's not practical,

0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 2>it's not rooted in any type of policy analysis, no

0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.440
<v Speaker 2>type of data, nothing. I'm not with that, But I'm

0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 2>saying to label everybody who falls under that umbrella is

0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:05.319
<v Speaker 2>as ignorant as labeling any of us who vote a

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Democratic ticket the same way. It's just not And I

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 2>think we got to resist the earth to be lazy

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 2>and to do like the complicated work of being like

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 2>where can we align? Where are the values? And I

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.920
<v Speaker 2>think the biggest issue is I really would encourage everybody,

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:22.719
<v Speaker 2>whether you a moderate, a blue dog or you know,

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 2>whatever kind of dog or red dog, whatever, kind of

0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>whatever freedom party, you know, liberal Black liberation, What are

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 2>your values? Lead with your values and don't lead with

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:36.920
<v Speaker 2>the label. The labels are gonna get you played.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I think that I agree with that, But I

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:42.399
<v Speaker 1>will say this, and I think that that I agree

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:44.719
<v Speaker 1>with that. No, I do. But I like when you

0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 1>when you look at somebody like Chevallera, who I just

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:49.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted to because I was pulling it up, you know,

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:55.240
<v Speaker 1>who said that I have no nuance to add Kamala Harris,

0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.520
<v Speaker 1>like what are we? What are we doing? Like? I mean,

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 1>so when you talk about Dixon and what she may

0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:03.959
<v Speaker 1>espouse today or what not me what she does because

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:05.279
<v Speaker 1>you went to it and you read from it what

0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:08.120
<v Speaker 1>she does espouse today, it's a part of.

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Nixon.

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 1>What I said, what I said, Nixon didn't Dixon. I'm

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.400
<v Speaker 1>sorry it's late, y'all. I'm sorry.

0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:19.239
<v Speaker 2>It's later for me.

0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:21.200
<v Speaker 1>No, it's later for me.

0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 2>It's not aren't you on the West coast? Yeah, it's

0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 2>not later for you.

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:31.600
<v Speaker 1>It's later in spirit. Anyway. My only point is that

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:34.399
<v Speaker 1>when you when you, when you wear the DSA hat,

0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:36.439
<v Speaker 1>you have to wear all of this crazy shit too.

0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:41.240
<v Speaker 1>And while we agree, I don't I'm not. I don't.

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:45.439
<v Speaker 1>My point is that I agree with you it ain't fair. Oh,

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I trust me. I agree with you that it ain't fair. However,

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 1>when you talk about winning a race, and when you

0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 1>talk about winning a race in Georgia, you talking about

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 1>winning the race in Missouri or Florida, were talking about

0:53:57.320 --> 0:53:59.959
<v Speaker 1>winning something in Texas. When you talk about winning something

0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:03.239
<v Speaker 1>and it ain't baby Blue, it gets extremely difficult to

0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:05.600
<v Speaker 1>do that and answer these questions before we get out

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 1>of here, though I want to. There's something else we

0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:08.759
<v Speaker 1>got to talk about, because we could talk about this

0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 1>all day. I really risked my brother Andrew talking about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's get the professor our day real quick, because

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.319
<v Speaker 1>many people don't know what happened. But I think we

0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 1>got a couple of a couple of clips and posts

0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:27.480
<v Speaker 1>we wanted to put up quickly. Go ahead, go ahead, No,

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:29.760
<v Speaker 1>go ahead. What I was going to say is simply

0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:32.480
<v Speaker 1>that this is a young man that social media lynched

0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:39.880
<v Speaker 1>and accused him of being a plagiarist. We saw the

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 1>person who sparked this up. He recently committed suicide in

0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the UK because of all the pressure he was undertaking.

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to have Nick, I believe we have

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:50.560
<v Speaker 1>a couple of clips, well not excuse me, clips, but

0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:53.320
<v Speaker 1>headlines we wanted to put up. He resigned on August fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>with the letter saying he had reached the limits of

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:59.360
<v Speaker 1>what any person should reasonably be expected to endure. The

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:01.759
<v Speaker 1>media response it with one hundred and eighty eight more

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 1>articles in nine days. On the fourteenth of August, he

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.799
<v Speaker 1>was found dead. He was only forty one years old.

0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.359
<v Speaker 2>This man was and I know we have some other

0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 2>graphics to show, but this man was the youngest black

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:21.960
<v Speaker 2>professor well the black period. The fact that he was

0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:25.279
<v Speaker 2>a professor in the UK, particularly at Cambridge, and then

0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:29.600
<v Speaker 2>the youngest that they've had in their history is astonishing.

0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:33.480
<v Speaker 2>And he said in his resignation letter like I'm just

0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:36.359
<v Speaker 2>because I'm resigning, don't meet, doesn't mean that I am,

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:40.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, saying that I did any of this. And

0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:44.120
<v Speaker 2>now you know he doesn't have anything to say in

0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:46.359
<v Speaker 2>his defense. So I want to I want to play

0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:52.600
<v Speaker 2>this because there were thirty thousand people who attended a

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 2>vigil for Jason our day and I had the privilege

0:55:56.680 --> 0:56:01.439
<v Speaker 2>of meeting Simon Wooley, Lord Simon Woolley, who is who

0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.239
<v Speaker 2>you'll hear from next. I heard from him. I met

0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 2>him during a leadership, an international leadership convening in Denmark

0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:13.920
<v Speaker 2>some years ago, and he is particularly impressive and brilliant,

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and we'll hear from him now as he speaks about Jason.

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<v Speaker 4>That needs to be some reckoning, that there needs to

0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:35.080
<v Speaker 4>be some justice. But today, today, today, from all of you, today,

0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:41.440
<v Speaker 4>with all of you say after me, I am Professor

0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:49.160
<v Speaker 4>Jason Awday. This was a vicious campaign, but it wasn't

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:52.400
<v Speaker 4>just a campaign against a professor.

0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:59.319
<v Speaker 1>It was a campaign against Uliver so Angela. If you

0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:01.360
<v Speaker 1>can just from from the beginning, if you can just

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 1>tell people the cliff notes version of what he was

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:08.760
<v Speaker 1>accused of and how they followed through with their vicious attacks.

0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, and I know again we have the post

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 2>where it shows how many articles are written. But Jason

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 2>arde again, he became the youngest black professor in the

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:27.720
<v Speaker 2>history of Cambridge. He was diagnosed as autistic and was

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>nonverbal until he was eleven years old. But yet, the

0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 2>thing that I think is important is even if someone

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:38.640
<v Speaker 2>runs a foul of the rules, how do you hold

0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:43.480
<v Speaker 2>them right? What are the accountability metrics? And I think

0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:48.120
<v Speaker 2>for me, I believe for him. If he says he

0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:51.800
<v Speaker 2>did not plagiarize Cambridge, I'm sorry. The institution that he

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:55.800
<v Speaker 2>attended for school and where he got his doctorate said

0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that they had investigated it and they didn't find any

0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:03.080
<v Speaker 2>incidents of plagiarism. That is the kind of thing that

0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:06.080
<v Speaker 2>people should hold fast to, and instead people attacked him.

0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 2>One of the people who was chief among them is

0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:12.480
<v Speaker 2>someone who thinks that black people should be limited to

0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 2>playing sports and being entertainers. So this is the same

0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:18.800
<v Speaker 2>type of narrative we're seeing here as the nation, and

0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:23.400
<v Speaker 2>then of course the world takes on. DEI we have

0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.880
<v Speaker 2>to really reckon or like wrestle with what that means

0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.920
<v Speaker 2>for us and our belonging and what types of space

0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 2>that creates for us, and the types of harm it

0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:34.000
<v Speaker 2>creates for this for us when we are able to

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:36.320
<v Speaker 2>show up excellently, because we are still able to do

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that even when people erect elect erect roadblocks, and I

0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:42.840
<v Speaker 2>think that is the other big part of this here.

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 2>So I am you know my thoughts. My heart goes

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 2>out to his family. He's a father, he's a husband,

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:56.160
<v Speaker 2>somebody's child, and he did not deserve this type of

0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:59.520
<v Speaker 2>disgrace and shame and humiliation. I know, we have a

0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 2>graphic that shows how many articles were written overall. There's like,

0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:07.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the number of articles in one publication

0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:12.320
<v Speaker 2>was astronomical. And yeah, two hundred and forty nine articles

0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:14.760
<v Speaker 2>in twenty two days. B I don't know about you,

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:17.520
<v Speaker 2>but when you get hit with that negative press, when

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:20.920
<v Speaker 2>it's two or three articles, two or three to five blogs,

0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 2>that's overwhelming. The comments are overwhelming when people disagree with you.

0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:28.720
<v Speaker 2>The Bob farms now that they deploy, that's not unique

0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:32.439
<v Speaker 2>to just America. These people cyberbullied and harass this man

0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:35.560
<v Speaker 2>literally to death. And that's something we got to talk

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:39.640
<v Speaker 2>about because there was a time where Clarence tom Ass,

0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:46.120
<v Speaker 2>as my dad would say, he called his nomination hearing

0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:52.600
<v Speaker 2>a high tech lynching. This is actually a high tech lynching. No, And.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, for me, it's it's extremely sad because you see,

1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and we were hearing about the stories, and as as

1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 1>soon as we begin to hear about the story begin

1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to percolate, he he killed himself. And it seems as

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<v Speaker 1>if the weight of the world was just It's like

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<v Speaker 1>if you stand in front of a fire hose and

1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you realize that they're one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:22.120
<v Speaker 1>ten fire hoses just pointing directly at you, and you

1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:24.800
<v Speaker 1>ask yourself why, You're not even able to get an

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<v Speaker 1>answer to why, And when you're trying to have moments

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:33.520
<v Speaker 1>of silence, you still hear the chaos of the lack

1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 1>of peace or the lack of serenity, and you know

1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:42.480
<v Speaker 1>it's there are people who consciously went after him, showing

1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:45.560
<v Speaker 1>using him as an example that black people do not belong,

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<v Speaker 1>point blank period. And I think there's a lesson to

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<v Speaker 1>be learned that I teach my kids all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>which is we still have to be better than them.

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<v Speaker 1>We cannot live in any gray areas. I'm not saying

1:00:57.360 --> 1:00:59.320
<v Speaker 1>he did, but I'm saying we just have to be

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<v Speaker 1>We have to run faster, be cleaner, do everything better

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<v Speaker 1>than the people who, unfortunately the world does not deem

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<v Speaker 1>us equal to be, although we perform and excel and

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<v Speaker 1>do things on a level many times that we find

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<v Speaker 1>to be superb.

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<v Speaker 3>Who cares about truth when the last more than seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your call to action, Angel, for us to just

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<v Speaker 2>be better, be better to each other. I'm seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>Because as simple as it is, I was like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely like nail meet Ham or me nailhead.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, can we just do better by people?

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<v Speaker 2>Like we don't know? Somebody actually warned some of the

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<v Speaker 2>media outlets that they were going to cost him his life.

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<v Speaker 2>So if somebody's telling you that, like take heed to that.

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<v Speaker 2>We are living in such a fragile state globally. People

1:02:04.360 --> 1:02:07.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know how to make ends meet. People are struggling

1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 2>on every side, like just be kind, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>really just be kind, Like fine, whatever, better angel, you

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<v Speaker 2>need just be kind. And I'm telling myself that because

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely will have road rage and ACTI full. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where do people going. They may be rushing

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<v Speaker 2>somebody to the emergency room where they might be dragging

1:02:27.240 --> 1:02:30.479
<v Speaker 2>slow because they contact lens, fill out or whatever. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>just be kind. I'm gonna work on it on road rage,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all see me cutting up, Tell me I'm cutting up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm working.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, mine is a little different minus to be better.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I've always said that we have to be

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<v Speaker 1>excellent and Benjamine Mays, who's the greatest educator of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>said and all things that you do, you do them

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<v Speaker 1>so well. That no man living dead or yet to

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<v Speaker 1>be born can do them better. Unfortunately, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>have that standard of excellence. And the problem that we

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<v Speaker 1>have is right now we live in a culture of

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<v Speaker 1>low expectation and oftentimes you get what you back. And

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<v Speaker 1>so make sure that you're teaching your kids that if

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<v Speaker 1>they want to be a doctor, b David Satcher. If

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<v Speaker 1>they want to be a lawyer, beat Thurghend Marshal. If

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<v Speaker 1>they want to be a scientist, I'd be George Washington Carver.

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<v Speaker 1>I know if you want to be a if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a politician, be Nelson Mandela, be extremely

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