WEBVTT - Impending Doomsday: Where is Capitan America?

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<v Speaker 1>Worrying. Today's episode candid spoilers for the Captain America Films

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<v Speaker 1>and Captain America Well Steve Rogers and Sam Wilson throughout.

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<v Speaker 2>The MCU, you've been warned.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, my name is Jason Stepsia and I'm Rosie Knight,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to Xtra Vision, the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 1>dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comedy of pop culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Company from our podcast where we're bringing you through epistence.

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<v Speaker 2>Week last news list news in today's episode, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>have a special treat for you, guys. We're still months

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<v Speaker 2>away from Avengers Doomsday, but with so many players spread

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<v Speaker 2>across movies, TVs and multiverses each month, we were gonna

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<v Speaker 2>deep dive into a set of characters to help you

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<v Speaker 2>prepare for the MCU's next big tempole films. But this

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<v Speaker 2>will not be your average x ray Vision episode. Through

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<v Speaker 2>some multiversal trickery, Jason and I have managed to obtain

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<v Speaker 2>a recording of tonight's nightly news from Earth six one six,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're giving you a look inside the minds of

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<v Speaker 2>the everyday people living with the Avengers and dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the fallout of the Infinity Saga. Steve Rogers a kid

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<v Speaker 2>from Brooklyn, rejected from military service multiple times before being

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<v Speaker 2>selected for Project Rebirth, a classified SSR program given.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve just couldn't wait to get into the military and

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<v Speaker 1>kill The problem was Rosie. He was eighty five pounds

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't think he'd be able to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>They were wrong. He would go on to be one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most prolific military killers and military figureheads in

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<v Speaker 2>American history. The process was a success, but the project leader,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Erskine, and his research were destroyed by Nazi spies.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve became Captain America, led the Howling Commandos against Hydra

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<v Speaker 2>was regarded as the greatest soldier of the war. Disappeared

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen forty five after reportedly crashing a hydro aircraft

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<v Speaker 2>in the Arctic to prevent a mash casualty attack on

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<v Speaker 2>the American East Coast. He was declared killed in action

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<v Speaker 2>and became a legend. He was recovered from the ice

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<v Speaker 2>decades late up by Shield, one of the most stunning

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<v Speaker 2>discoveries in modern history. Steve was recruited to the Avengers

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<v Speaker 2>Initiative and fought in the Battle of New York, the

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<v Speaker 2>event that changed everything the world learned. It was not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could forget the day that aliens from the sky

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<v Speaker 1>invaded New York City for reasons I think most of

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<v Speaker 1>us were still pretty unclear about correct, But there was

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<v Speaker 1>Captain America running around on the street saving people's lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and what a sight to see. There was some discussion

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<v Speaker 1>about whether that could be him, seeing as how he

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared some seventy years earlier, but indeed it turned out

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<v Speaker 1>it was him. It was the classified records that have

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<v Speaker 1>since been declassified indicate that he was frozen in ice.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you believe it? This is the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>that since the Battle of New York we have all

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<v Speaker 2>started to have to get used to. After the battle,

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<v Speaker 2>he became the de facto field leader of the Avengers,

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<v Speaker 2>the one giving the orders while the sky was falling.

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<v Speaker 1>Avengers was a public private partnership project between the government

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<v Speaker 1>Shield and Tony Stark, billionaire philanthropist Tony Starkhall everybody, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think a controversial, surely, a polarizing figure

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<v Speaker 1>whose weapons have rot destruction throughout the world, but whose

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<v Speaker 1>clean energy initiatives are truly impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Rogers exposed a hydra infiltration that had been festering inside

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<v Speaker 2>Shield for decades. Three Hella carriers destroyed over Washington, DC's

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<v Speaker 2>shield was effectively dismantled. It was then that Rogers went

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<v Speaker 2>rogue to protect Sergeant James Bucky Barnes, the Winter Soldier,

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<v Speaker 2>his childhood friend who had been brainwashed by Hydra given.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where public opinion on Rogers starts to fracture,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was around this time the public began to

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<v Speaker 2>realize that this was a man who would go against

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and ninety two UN countries in order to

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<v Speaker 2>save his best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>The Russian agent Bucky.

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<v Speaker 3>Barnes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>People were not happy about that, Jason.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they weren't happy about that. They weren't happy about

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<v Speaker 1>the destruction of Cekovia after the Avengers battle with all

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<v Speaker 1>Tra Tron rumored to be a creation of Tony Stark.

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<v Speaker 1>You've never answered questions on the record about that, but

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly Tony Stark created the vibranium covered robot Ultron. The

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<v Speaker 1>fight against Ultron didn't destroy the Eastern European nation of

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<v Speaker 1>Secoviet completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundreds of thousands of dead just be.

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<v Speaker 2>A giant piece of island falling out of the sky,

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<v Speaker 2>a crater.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the nation should have been. And after this the

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<v Speaker 1>nations of the world got together and went, can we

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<v Speaker 1>really let six people who can drop an asteroid on

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<v Speaker 1>a nation by themselves just run around doing whatever they want?

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<v Speaker 1>And thus the Cekovia Accords came into power.

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<v Speaker 2>The accords required Avengers to operate under un oversight. Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Rogers refused to sign, though Tony Stark did. The Avengers split.

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<v Speaker 2>Rogers and a faction of Avengers, including Sam Wilson, went underground,

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<v Speaker 2>effectively becoming fugitives. He chose loyalty to bonds and personal

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<v Speaker 2>conscience over institutional authority. When Thanos arrived, Rogers came out

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<v Speaker 2>of hiding. He joined many of our other heroes for

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<v Speaker 2>a last stand in Wakanda. He was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>survivors of the snap. As we know, I was gone

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<v Speaker 2>during the blip, so I don't remember anything from that time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it happened to many of us. It was terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>They had the Russo brothers out there at support groups

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<v Speaker 2>being gay. It was like they were trying to connect

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<v Speaker 2>with us guys, and you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>And Steve was cool with it. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>by all the reports, all the reports we have and

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<v Speaker 1>Steve was cool with it. I just want to stress that.

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<v Speaker 2>Five years later, the Avengers tried for one last mission,

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<v Speaker 2>a time heist. Rogers was instrumental in rallying the remaining

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<v Speaker 2>members of the team to attempt the impossible. In the

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<v Speaker 2>final battle, Steve Rodgers lifted Molnair Thor's hammer. He was

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed worthy. For millions watching, this was the defining image

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<v Speaker 2>of the war. This is the moment that people have painted.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the moment people have talked about. Jason, what

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<v Speaker 2>was it like when you heard that Steve Rogers was

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<v Speaker 2>truly worthy and he had picked up Thor's hammer?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you wondered how Thor felt about it. But luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>by that point in time, there were two enchanted weapons

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<v Speaker 1>on the field. You had a stormbreaker of the axe,

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<v Speaker 1>and then of course you had the original mulla mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was cool. It was an incredible moment. You

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<v Speaker 1>know a friend who has a tattooed on his chest.

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<v Speaker 1>It was It's a moment that continues to resonate throughout time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why Steve didn't get to keep it,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe maybe because he disappeared. That was that was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve stood alone against Thanos's army and said, I can

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<v Speaker 2>do this all day, and then the portals opened it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have heard rumors that this is when Sam Wilson

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<v Speaker 2>came back, saying, on your left, classic bit. Imagine you

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<v Speaker 2>just came back from five years in the blip. When

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<v Speaker 2>that happened to me, I was like what And I

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<v Speaker 2>was swearing and I was cursing, and people I was

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<v Speaker 2>going crazy. I just appeared back and left. Sam Wilson,

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<v Speaker 2>he said a catchphrase, that's a powerful riturn. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>you knew he was going to be the new Captain America.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew branding was so important.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, it must have been extremely confusing and

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<v Speaker 1>disorienting for everybody. Luckily, all the heroes were were able

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<v Speaker 1>to absorb the information and understand what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've seen people come back after the Blip

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<v Speaker 1>to what is known as the Snap, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>quite terrifying. People peering at a thin air, screaming, masturbating,

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<v Speaker 1>all kindness, taking dumb terrible. It was and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>very shocking. So I've heard that most of the heroes

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared in the midst of the battle that took place

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<v Speaker 1>in the mysterious nation of conduct, so probably they were primed,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for to continue the fight. For them, it

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<v Speaker 1>was just like I was just fighting and now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>back fighting again. It doesn't it make sense. Luckily no

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<v Speaker 1>one was, you know again, no one was taking a

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<v Speaker 1>dump in the middle of the blip.

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<v Speaker 2>I have had that some people were just about to die,

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<v Speaker 2>got blipped and then came back and died straight away,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like, did.

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<v Speaker 1>They get five extra years?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's very strange. I feel like there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be great academic writing on the blip. We of

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<v Speaker 2>course that XOTV will at some point have a blip

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<v Speaker 2>expose a documentary come out. After the battle, Rogers volunteered

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<v Speaker 2>to return the Infinity Stones to their proper timelines, but

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<v Speaker 2>he never came back, or at least not as expected anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>and elderly Steve Rodgers appeared shortly after, having apparently lived

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<v Speaker 2>out a full life in an alternate time life.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't there, but this is what has been incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>told to me, was that after putting the stones back,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody came back, Everything's fine. Then Steve came back and

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<v Speaker 1>he was old, very very very old, skinny with like

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<v Speaker 1>the baggy neck, looking kind of like jo That's what

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<v Speaker 1>they said, looking a lot like Joseph Biden, but but

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<v Speaker 1>but more vital, you know, much more, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>like he'd been having good, good sex for the last

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<v Speaker 1>fifty to sixty years, right in shape, trim, but bold,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>That does raise a lot of questions and has raised

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of question about what Steve was doing in

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<v Speaker 2>the past.

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<v Speaker 1>He was, he was just fucking his way. Sorry, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take that again. He was having intercourse with his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jason, if he went back in time, does that

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<v Speaker 2>mean he was okay with segregation? Does that mean he

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<v Speaker 2>was okay with the enslavement of people's How far did

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<v Speaker 2>he go back, Jason? And these are the questions people

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<v Speaker 2>want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have any answers to that, because old Steve

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<v Speaker 1>went back in there to continue his life of intercourse

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<v Speaker 1>with his beautiful wife, Beggy Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>She has beautiful He passed his shield to Sam Wilson,

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<v Speaker 2>causing much chaos and controversy over the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>did not give it to Bucky Barnes. Steve Rogers has

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<v Speaker 2>not been publicly seen since, and his whereabouts and status

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<v Speaker 2>are unknown post Steve. The mantle of Captain America eventually

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<v Speaker 2>went to Sam Wilson after the brief and ultimately infamous

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<v Speaker 2>John Walker into This video that we are showing right

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<v Speaker 2>now might be a bit triggering for those of you.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the video of John Walker decapitating a member

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<v Speaker 2>of the public with the Captain America shield.

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<v Speaker 1>Shocking events.

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<v Speaker 2>Shocking events, and that is why you will notice that

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<v Speaker 2>he is no longer US agent or Captain America that

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<v Speaker 2>heard him. There are rumors that Steve is coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>Will we have two caps? Will it be cap'n Falcon?

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<v Speaker 2>Will it be cap Falcon and Falcon because now we

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<v Speaker 2>know that the young hero known as Joaquin has also

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<v Speaker 2>taken on the role of Falcon. There are so many questions, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why we're here to answer them. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>cut to Daniel Blake with the weather and we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back after these commercials with Soup Center.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, welcome back to Soup Center. I'm your host, Aaron M. Kaufman,

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<v Speaker 3>and today on first issue, we're getting into the truth

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<v Speaker 3>about Steve Rodgers and his cohort of shield carriers. Joining

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<v Speaker 3>me for today's debate, we have Jason Conception and Rosie Knight,

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<v Speaker 3>how are the two of you doing today?

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<v Speaker 1>Doing great?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready, ready to talk about it, ready to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this controversial figure in our American history.

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<v Speaker 3>So first up, I want to ask, is the best

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<v Speaker 3>offense actually just a good offense? Is Captain America's shield

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<v Speaker 3>an outdated symbol?

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<v Speaker 1>Jason?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you stand on this?

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<v Speaker 1>I love the shield. The shield is classic. The shield

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<v Speaker 1>has been the symbol of Captain America since World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>the last good war, and that, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it says a lot about him. He's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go on the offense. He's going to defend the rights

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<v Speaker 1>of free people everywhere with that shield. The shield is indestructible.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got a gun. The shield is special. Keep the shield.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the shield. It's a powerful, powerful symbol.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't disagree with Jason, though, I will say I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like this shield has to have some rehab posted

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<v Speaker 2>John Walker chopping off ahead. I know it's a different

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<v Speaker 2>shape shield, but I feel like, you know, that vision

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<v Speaker 2>of an American flag inspired shield covered in blood is

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<v Speaker 2>a hard one to get rid of. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>the shield is important. I think we gotta bring the

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<v Speaker 2>shield back in a positive way. That reframes it for

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<v Speaker 2>new people. Because Sam Wilson's shield it's powerful. He can

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<v Speaker 2>get it very far, he's good at throwing it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's yet to have that true iconic moment the way

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<v Speaker 2>that Steve has. So I feel like we got to

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<v Speaker 2>bring the shield back, maybe reimagine it a little, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think keep the shield. He doesn't need a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>No one wants to see Captain America with a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, the original shield was that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hearts shape with the flat top on the two sides,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of tear drop down to a point at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom. And my issue with that is that looks

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<v Speaker 1>even more dangerous than the than the shield that John

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<v Speaker 1>Wach used to decapitate the guy. It looks sharper, it

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<v Speaker 1>looks more dangerous. There's a point in it. You can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the Captain America who wields it stabbing somebody with it,

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<v Speaker 1>stabbing them in the net, sawing them and the guts

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<v Speaker 1>and their guts all out. And I think the circular shield,

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<v Speaker 1>it just feels like I'm not discounting the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a serious image problem, that indelible image of

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<v Speaker 1>the head rolling down the street, the blood spurting out

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<v Speaker 1>John Walker. Lynn's standing there looking crazed, screaming incoherently. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a great and you know, and it's something that

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<v Speaker 1>you can see on the internet all the time. It's really, really,

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<v Speaker 1>really horrible, and it was a propaganda victory for America's enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>That said, I do think the circular shield is just

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<v Speaker 1>inherently less aggressive. And listen, maybe you maybe you make

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<v Speaker 1>the edges a little rounder, maybe round them off a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I don't know what kind of manufacturing process

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<v Speaker 1>for vibranium, like, am I am I suggesting something that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually impossible with the physics of vibranium. It does it

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<v Speaker 1>affect the aerodynamics? Is it now fly slower? Does it

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<v Speaker 1>not bounce as well? If you do that, whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>case may be, I'd be willing to explore that a

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<v Speaker 1>softer edge shield, But I think the circular shield it's

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<v Speaker 1>just better. It looks better the John Walker stuff. Nonwithstanding,

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<v Speaker 1>let's put that in the past. Let's keep the shield

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<v Speaker 1>the symbol of Captain America, and let's just put it

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<v Speaker 1>in the hands of a person who won't go around

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<v Speaker 1>to capitating people. As simple as that, simple as that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, a lot has been said about about Sam Wilson,

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<v Speaker 3>who's taken the man of Captain America. He was the

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<v Speaker 3>young developmental kid that we had on the bench. We

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot of faith in him. He had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of potential and he's now taken over the role

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<v Speaker 3>of Captain America. But the Falcons haven't always had the

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<v Speaker 3>best luck in sports. Did Falcon fumble the role as

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<v Speaker 3>the leader of the Avengers? Rosie? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is an unfair to put it on

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Wilson, though I do think it's a fair question

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<v Speaker 2>to ask. I do not think that he had the

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<v Speaker 2>support of the Avengers, as we have seen in the

0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:38.199
<v Speaker 2>past Steve Rogers Avengers had billions of dollars via Tony Stark.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time Sam takes on Captain America's shield, Tony

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<v Speaker 2>is dead. He's living in a post Tony Stark world.

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<v Speaker 2>And it seems like Tony Stark only bothered to give

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<v Speaker 2>his leftover technology to teenage boys, which you know is

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<v Speaker 2>a question for another day. But I would say that

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<v Speaker 2>I do think Sam didn't have the right preparation and

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<v Speaker 2>to truly take on the lead of Avengers. But also

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<v Speaker 2>I would say I think there's a level of racism

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<v Speaker 2>there to guys playing into this because the government tried

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<v Speaker 2>to get sacked.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go, be Captain America.

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<v Speaker 2>We go, here, we go, and then they take we

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<v Speaker 2>go right out the history of other Captain Americas who

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<v Speaker 2>are black. So I think that he was not given

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<v Speaker 2>the preparation that he needed and the support to truly

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<v Speaker 2>bring an Avengers team to the forefront, because who do

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<v Speaker 2>we have now? Guys, whoe are the Avengers?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? Rosie, I would like to remind you please stick

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<v Speaker 3>to soups here all right?

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<v Speaker 1>The facts here are the facts. Here are the facts

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<v Speaker 1>about Sam Wilson, who by all accounts is a nice

0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.639
<v Speaker 1>man and we you know, appreciate his service to our

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<v Speaker 1>country as a member of the pair of rescue team

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<v Speaker 1>in the Middle East. That said Sam Wilson wings were

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<v Speaker 1>Condon tech. Sam Wilson, the little mobile remote control bird

0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.320
<v Speaker 1>were Condon tech. Where's that data going? Where is that

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<v Speaker 1>from the bird going? Is it going to us here

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States of America or is it going

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<v Speaker 1>to athletes?

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<v Speaker 3>Captain America?

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<v Speaker 1>So a scurious country in Afriga we don't even know about. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is why can't we he wear the stuff

0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:20.600
<v Speaker 1>that we make for him. Yeah, okay, wearing stuff from

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<v Speaker 1>other countries, and again seems like it seems like a

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<v Speaker 1>nice guy. Okay, but he doesn't have the super soldier

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<v Speaker 1>serum and the only thing that makes him special is

0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:36.040
<v Speaker 1>a foreign nations technology that we don't understand. So I

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm not saying no to Sam Wilson. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying I have questions. The bar, of course, was absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground, and I try the decapitation of that

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<v Speaker 1>random guy by John Walker, but that means we need

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<v Speaker 1>more clarity from our captain America. Where does this tech

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<v Speaker 1>come from? How does it work? How does the little

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<v Speaker 1>remote control bird work? Where does the intelligence from the

0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.120
<v Speaker 1>little remote control bird go? Does it stay here? Does

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<v Speaker 1>it go to Wakanda? Can they kill the suit with

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<v Speaker 1>a push of a button? Question? These are all ken

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<v Speaker 1>is would Sam Wilson feel comfortable going on a mission

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<v Speaker 1>in America's interests against Wakanda. We don't have the answers

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<v Speaker 1>to these questions, and we need to have the answers

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<v Speaker 1>to those questions before I'm comfortable saying Sam Wilson is

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<v Speaker 1>the guy Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that oftentimes we do butt heeads about this,

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<v Speaker 2>But I must say I do have a source who

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<v Speaker 2>did inform me that Bucky Bond's what Coandon arm was

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<v Speaker 2>able to be controlled by Wakanda.

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<v Speaker 1>And they don't even get me start about Bucky Barnes.

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<v Speaker 2>Who stop the arm. So I do think you raise

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<v Speaker 2>a good point about national security here, Jason, as much

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<v Speaker 2>as I hate to admit it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even get me started about Bucky Barnes, who has

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<v Speaker 1>is a known victim of mine control which has never

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<v Speaker 1>been solved. He's been rumored and suspected to be an

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<v Speaker 1>active participant in numerous political assassinations over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>multiple decades. He's got the Wakandan Arm. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>Russian agent, we know that absolutely for sure, and then

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:21.399
<v Speaker 1>he was a Russian Nazi agent, which is crazy for

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<v Speaker 1>much of the Shield period. And he again seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a nice guy. You can see him walking around your

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<v Speaker 1>city all the time, used to talk up and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Seems like a very very sweet guy. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know. I just don't know if we

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<v Speaker 1>can trust him. There was the issue where you know,

0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Baronzimo read him a dozen random words and he went

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<v Speaker 1>crazy again and killed multiple people in Switzerland, excuse me, Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't have that happen again. And I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like until such time as we can be sure that

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<v Speaker 1>the mind can thing is really under control, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to question Bucky Barnes as well. And then you said

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<v Speaker 1>it the Wakandan tech which he does not control, which

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 1>we do not control. We don't know who controls it now.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to remind that two of you that

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<v Speaker 3>Bucky Barnes was elected congressman and has held political office.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a whole other issue. This is a democracy. If

0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:29.880
<v Speaker 1>people want to elect an absolute Russian spy, Russian Nazi spy,

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<v Speaker 1>they all free to do that. Sadly, it was in

0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the United States of America, and he may go all

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<v Speaker 1>the way up to president if if the people of

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<v Speaker 1>this country do so choose to elect that person.

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<v Speaker 2>They did elect the Hulk, so you know it could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, they didn't, to be fair to the electorate,

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.159
<v Speaker 1>they did not know he was a Hulk at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't although they were sure. Listen, I didn't vote

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<v Speaker 1>for him. He was a whole criminal, yes, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know I didn't vote for him, but many people did.

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<v Speaker 1>And there it is our.

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<v Speaker 3>Next topic I want to hear from both of you

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<v Speaker 3>about is copyright incringement the Avengers versus the New Avengers,

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 3>the branding here we've had an expansion team. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>really sure if there's the fandom around and the talent

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<v Speaker 3>pool for both teams. But Jason, what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>Avengers New Avengers? Too many teams? Who exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, some people may think that you suddenly had an

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<v Speaker 1>owl come on, but I said, who knew?

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<v Speaker 3>Who?

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<v Speaker 1>Who? What have they done? I'm aware of this team

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<v Speaker 1>that you talk about that you're speaking of. I think

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I bench press more than forty percent of that team.

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<v Speaker 1>The team is just people. There's Buggy Barnes with a

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<v Speaker 1>Condon arm question mark, an active congressman. Who can he

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<v Speaker 1>be doing this running around leading a team of guys

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and gals but who have no special ability that we

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<v Speaker 1>know of, and various members of them are have been

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:10.400
<v Speaker 1>agents of a foreign government and mind control Yolena for one.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, listen, I've decried the decapitation in

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the streets of Vienna. And John Wilson is a member

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of that team.

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Team, He's on the team. This is a team of

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<v Speaker 2>misfits and That's not to say that maybe they could

0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 2>have come together and do something good. But guys, who

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:30.159
<v Speaker 2>have they been brought together by none other than the

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Countess of Valentina Alegrafontee. She's annoying, she's shady, she's machinations

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes. Every time we have her on here,

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.879
<v Speaker 2>she avoids answering any serious questions. I am wary of

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<v Speaker 2>any team put together by the American government solely, though

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I must say I understand why the government would want

0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 2>to do this after the private public combination of the

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<v Speaker 2>Avengers that led to the issues with the Kovia records.

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<v Speaker 2>But I must say Thunderbolts was a better name. That

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.880
<v Speaker 2>is what the fans named them online. It was contestant.

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 2>He tried to do this New Avengers. You are not

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<v Speaker 2>the new Avengers. You were not even analogous to the Avengers.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>My understanding from what I'm hearing from the food delivery

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.919
<v Speaker 2>guy is that the most powerful member can't even use

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.399
<v Speaker 2>his powers. There's one member who has powers and he

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 2>can't use them. And if we're to be believed what

0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 2>the streets are saying, he might even be the reason

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 2>they had to become a team in the first place,

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>in which case, just don't put the team together.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is the fact. Their very first mission

0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>was to fight the guy that is now part of

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 1>the team. This gentleman who you were talking about made

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 1>several dozen people turned to stains in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he is apparently part of the team. The rest

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:57.119
<v Speaker 1>of that roster includes red Guardian for an act. So

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 1>basically the Captain America of Russia, overweight alcoholic Yolana Belova,

0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Russian agent, sitting Buggy Barnes mind controlled, sitting congressman, former

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<v Speaker 1>Russian Nazi assassin, a US agent who decapitated a guy

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<v Speaker 1>in the streets of Vienna. It's a tough look, I think,

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's why I would say, let's keep it the thunderbolts.

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's not Sully the name of the e. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if you put new on it, it's just not it's

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<v Speaker 1>not enough. And then there's I didn't even mention Ghost,

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 1>who were not Can they take a shower? Like, what

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.639
<v Speaker 1>is the deal with Ghost? Are they in this dimension?

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Are they halfway in another dimension? We didn't Can they

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<v Speaker 1>take the suit off? Do they disappear if they take

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the suit off? It's unclear? That said the only maybe

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>dependable American. Well, actually she appears to be from England.

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<v Speaker 1>Never mind.

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<v Speaker 3>All right. A follow up to that, a lot of

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 3>our fans have been wondering, are we in a drought

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 3>of American superheroes? Do we have too many international names

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 3>on the superhero market right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, it's a good question. I think it depends on

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 1>It depends on how you look at it. I do

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.679
<v Speaker 1>think that it's true that a certain generation of American

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 1>superhero has passed from the scene. Now we can get

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>them back through various multiversal techniques, although that has drawbacks

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 1>in and of itself see the issue with Doctor Doom

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 1>potentially being Tony Stark from another dimension.

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Crazy, But.

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, we got to get the talent from where

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 1>we can get it. I do think that there's opportunities

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.639
<v Speaker 1>to find more talent with this kind of mutant trend

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>that seems like it's increasing. But to me, the main

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.120
<v Speaker 1>issue is that we've got a young crop of superheroes

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>coming and now that haven't proven themselves. We have no

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>idea what they can do, we have no idea what

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.959
<v Speaker 1>their power sets are, and we have no idea if

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 1>they can work together. The original Avengers had gotten to

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.239
<v Speaker 1>the point where it was on you know, it was

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>it was autopilot for them. They were the synergy was incredible,

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, and it was incredible. The chemistry was incredible

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 1>right off the bat. Remember the move and the Battle

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>of New York when Tony Stark shot the repulsal rays

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.679
<v Speaker 1>off caps shield, which was he didn't even need to

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.439
<v Speaker 1>do that. That was just they were. They were just

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>spite just looking at they were just looking cool doing that, right,

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 1>And they don't We don't know if they can work

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:35.679
<v Speaker 1>together as a team. The original Steve Rogers was a

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 1>tactical mastermind and could put people in roles and everybody

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 1>respected that. We don't know what roles these young upcoming

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>superheroes can play yet, and we've got to figure that

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>out on the field.

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Rosie, one final thought from you. With the Captain American name,

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 3>a hero that has meant so much to all of us,

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 3>has that name been sullied? And what do you need

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 3>to see to be a fan again?

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I do believe that the Captain American name has been sullied.

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I believe that. To believe in him again, I just

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>need to see him come back and do something good

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.479
<v Speaker 2>because honestly, I don't even think that the sullying began

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>with the nation of John Walker being a decapitator. I

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>believe that Steve Rodgers's own choice to go into the

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 2>past and time heist and then stay there and have

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 2>make beautiful love to Peggy Carter is in itself a

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>sullying because it opens too many questions, Like we said, Steve,

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:33.959
<v Speaker 2>what were you doing back then? We need to know.

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 2>I also feel like I am hearing from the streets

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 2>that there are these young wild heroes with crazy powers,

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 2>girls who can turn light into physical manifestations, incredible archers.

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 2>There are young heroes. I feel like we need Captain

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>America to come back and be the beacon, the leader,

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>the center of this new young generation, or else we're

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 2>just gonna end up with more bootleg teams like the

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 2>New Avengers that aren't gonna rise to the same heights

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 2>as what we have previously seen before.

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, Rosie and Jason, thank you so much for joining us.

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna throw to Jackson Wheel now for rush hour traffic,

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 3>and we'll be back up from these messages.

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>That work and we're back okay as we head into doomsday, Rosie, Yes,

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>what predictions and theories do we have for Captain America,

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the character, the mantle, whether that's Steve Rodgers, whether that's Sam,

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>whoever it may be going forward. What do you think

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 1>is who's gonna Who's gonna be the Captain America going forward?

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I think we will get this final movie with Steve

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Rodgers as Captain America. He's gonna be taking it back,

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be re establishing the mantle, the framework of

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>what it is to be Captain America in a post

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 2>doomsday world. I also think that we'll see that expand

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 2>out from the idea of protecting America because we know

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>that this is going to become multiversal. I also think

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>we will likely see both Sam and Cap B Cap

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>at some point in this movie. We will get two

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 2>of them with the two shields. It will be a

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>really powerful moment. But I do feel like we could

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>also end Doomsday with multiple caps like they've recently done

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 2>in the comics, where you have different Captain Americas in

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>different cities, and it becomes more of a Batman inc

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Esque mantle that inspires different people around the world rather

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 2>than a singular Captain America. Because I do think that

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>the Steve Rogers Captain America story, as much as you

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>know our six or six counterparts may have issues with

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 2>the choices he's made, has been a pretty definitive version

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 2>of this hero for Marvel. So I think that ending

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 2>it in a triumphant way, while maybe setting the seeds

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>for like a different version of how his inspiration has

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of shaped them MCU is probably what we're going

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 2>to get. What do you think.

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go crazy? And I think that there was

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>at least a chance that I think you're right that

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 1>we're going to see a Steve cap and a Sam cab.

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I think we get Sam retaining the Captain America mantle.

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Six six. I think we get a young Steve nomad.

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, multiversal nomad Steve.

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Nomad Steve who's disillusioned and is just wandering around. And

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>then I think we get old Steve who is like

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the tactical brain. Maybe not as Captain America, right, but

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>with the old Steve kind of more military uniform with

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the Eagle and the and the star on the j Yeah,

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>sitting back in the control room and pulling the strings.

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>I think we get I think we get those two

0:32:55.360 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Steve's and then I mean here's my few. Okay, this

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>is the multiverse.

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Do we see the bad one?

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Do we see the I do wonder. I did have

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the fear that we may see Nazis.

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:12.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to see that.

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to see it. I don't want There

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 2>has been rumors that this could be very secret Empire coded.

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 2>The very controversial Captain America is a Nazi storyline. I

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like the EMC nodded to that perfectly when they

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 2>had him say hey, Heyohydra and endgame as part of

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 2>the time heist to get out of the very famous fight.

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was great. But I do think there

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 2>is a chance. I do think, also sadly, I think

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a chance that the young cap we see is

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Nazi cap or something and is going after the babies

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 2>for his own reason. I don't know. I'm interested to

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>see where it goes. I never really wanted to see

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Steve Rogers's son, but hey, let's give it a try.

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Let's see if what these kids mean for these heroes,

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 2>because I do think that's gonna be key to whether

0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>or not the movie works. Are these children something been

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>added because of It's the most interesting thing for the character. Like,

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I know that Love and Thunder was not a very

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>popular movie, and it was not, by any means a

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 2>high point of the MCU, But I actually think Thor

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 2>is someone who lost the love of his life, who

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 2>lost a lot of his family, who lost his brother.

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 2>I think the introduction of somebody else he can love

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>in his life is a really interesting character choice. So

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.799
<v Speaker 2>I want to see if those choices are reflected when

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 2>it comes to Steve, someone that we never really expected

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 2>in the MCU to see again question mark unless you

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of knew how this stuff worked, or with a kid.

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 2>So I'm very interested to see how that lands. But Jason,

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 2>I do think I think we are at a high

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 2>fifty to fifty point where we'll probably see a version

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:45.800
<v Speaker 2>of Nazi Steve.

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Sadly, Oh, do you think we see What do you

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>think about Old Steve? Do you think we get old Steve?

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 2>I think Old Steve has to be there one because

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Old Steve became a meme and they do love to

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 2>reference a meme and a bit and that was so mimable.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Also think look Steve.

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Old Steve was a feature of the Marvel continuity for yeah,

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.839
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years, but that his oldness had to

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>do with a side effect of this show.

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Super Solder Serum, where it basically was it stopped. Yes,

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 2>it kind of like in the Clone Wars where they

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>did the episode about the Clones who started to age

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 2>and it becomes this really existential thing. It's sort of

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:30.240
<v Speaker 2>like that very again tied into that Secret Empire era,

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.360
<v Speaker 2>which is interesting to see what they're drawing from. I

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 2>would actually really like to see them do something with

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 2>old Steve because also the Russo's are back. They have

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, they started Act Boy, they launched a bunch

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 2>of other movies that didn't really hit for them, even

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 2>though they had a lot of financial backing. They want

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 2>to come back and make something the fans want. They

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 2>also are in conversation with the fans, and have always

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>been in conversation with the fans, so I think it

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 2>would be surprising to not at least get some conversation,

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 2>even if it's just a in universe kind of not

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>to oh, yeah, he did help people while he was old,

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 2>or oh no he didn't, you know whatever. Version. There's

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.840
<v Speaker 2>also a version where the Steve that went back and

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 2>lived that life is the bad Steve because he ended

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>up because he went back and made the choice to

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 2>put himself before.

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 1>If old Steve is bad Steve, does that mean that's

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>original Steve?

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 2>And that's what I want to know. I think that there.

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I think there's quite a high likelihood that what we're

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>going to see here is old Steve who came back

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 2>was never our real Steve who went away. The no

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 2>mad Steve who we see is actually that Steve who

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>had to like come back and be like, hey, I

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 2>need to fix things things I like or something.

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I like this theory that I like the idea that

0:36:56.560 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>we got a different Steve who came back, who's somewhat

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.800
<v Speaker 1>more amoral and much more selfish, was thinking about getting

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>his own freak on with Peggy over the interview decades

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and was not thinking about doing good, and that good

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Steve got lost in the sauce somewhere, got lost in

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the mid exactly the multiverse, ended up in a worst

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 1>world and had to go nomad because he's like this

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>sucks and I can't be kept in America here. That's interesting, Yes.

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if there's something like that, because that's like

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 2>way more intriguing to me than just the idea that

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, potentially there's just these two different aged good

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Steve's walking around. I think they really need to be

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 2>careful too, because when I thought, when we're talking to thinking,

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>when we're talking about this and thinking about this, it

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 2>becomes very clear how much they have to answer just

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 2>about Captain America, let alone the fact that we are

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 2>going to be dealing with, you know, twelve other major

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 2>characters in this movie.

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 1>My question, the big question for me regarding Captain America

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>is who is Captain America. I think Sam is going

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.279
<v Speaker 1>to be Captain America for the next two movies, for

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Doomsday and Secret Wars. Yes, the question is what happens then,

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:16.319
<v Speaker 1>because I think we're going to see a lot of

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 1>turnover and probably see the universe kind of tilted more.

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Towards the Mutants at that point agree.

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 1>And depending on how that goes, I think that Disney

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 1>will probably consider whether they want to continue or whether

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.880
<v Speaker 1>they want to reboot in a kind of like ultimate

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.560
<v Speaker 1>style just started all again type situation.

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but.

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>What do you think who is Steve Long? Who is

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Captain America? Long term?

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>This is the big question because in the comics there

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 2>have been like so many people who've tried to be

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Captain America, like twenty plus people off to Steve quit.

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.280
<v Speaker 2>That was three different people who came in to try.

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:59.280
<v Speaker 2>That was Bob Russo, who was a professional baseball player

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 2>that was a most cycle thug with an incredible comic

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>book named Scot Turpin. And Roscoe Simmons who managed Steve's

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Jim and actually ended up getting killed by the Red

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Skull and that's part of why Steve gave up his

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>nomad person owner. And then obviously you have John Walker,

0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Isaiah Bradley or who we've already met, I think Sam Wilson.

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>And then the most recent one was the United States

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 2>of Captain America, which was very interesting, which was kind

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of different Captain America's for different states. So you had

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Nishelle Wright who was a Captain America of Harrisburg. You

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 2>had Aaron Fisher he was a Captain America of the

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 2>railway Ways. You had Joe Gomez who was the Captain

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 2>America of the Kickaboo Tribe. And you had Ariel Agabarnia

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 2>as the campus Captain America. But I think realistically looking

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 2>at what them so who's doing right now and how

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.320
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to play into fandom and essentially what fandom wanted,

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, ten years ago. I think that we will

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 2>see Bucky Barnes become Captain America at some point. I

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 2>think that he's a fan fave of character. People always

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to see it. With him on the Thunderbolts, he

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<v Speaker 2>had cap shield while he was on the Thunderbolts. In

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<v Speaker 2>the comics, I think that they should have probably done

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<v Speaker 2>that first and then built up to Sam really getting

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<v Speaker 2>his place, but sadly that wasn't what happened. So I

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<v Speaker 2>do think, well, we'll see Sam and Steve here. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that post this next event, I think it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be shocking if Bucky became our cap.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my other question, Well, I think we got to.

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<v Speaker 1>I think whoever is cap going.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to juice them?

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<v Speaker 1>They got a juice them. Yeah, I think you can't

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<v Speaker 1>just be a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, it doesn't work in this world. Yeah, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>work in this world anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Sam has some moves where he can increase his

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<v Speaker 1>power with the kind of wing moves and the spins

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<v Speaker 1>and dropping out of the skin. That's all cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's really cool, But ultimately you can just do

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<v Speaker 1>more with it with juiced cap and to me, the

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<v Speaker 1>juice is as important as the It's kind of more

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<v Speaker 1>important than the shield certain respects.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of is because they want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Out the essential nature as Erskin said of Man, and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that Steve is such a good man is

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<v Speaker 1>what made him Captain America, not the shield. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think we gotta I think juice. I gotta get juiced.

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<v Speaker 2>I got one last question for you, Jason. It's Captain

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<v Speaker 2>America adjacent and I think is a really important question.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we gonna see Sharon call a power broker again?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that real? Like? Is she power broken? What's going

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta go on? What's going on with that? Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a very rich plot line, actually, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's.

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<v Speaker 2>So interesting if they actually explore it properly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, illegal superhero tech has entered the world, and we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it with these kind of I think most effectively

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<v Speaker 1>in in the Spider Man movies.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the Vulture and his crew guys who collected

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<v Speaker 1>a Battle of New York Tatari tech and you know

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<v Speaker 1>we're selling it on the black market. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing that will only increase. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>were we really missed out on the armor wars?

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<v Speaker 2>And what hell man, I wanna know? I need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>That isn't that's an unanswered question. Does the government just

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<v Speaker 1>have all like trillion dollars worth of worth of weaponry

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<v Speaker 1>or did that go to somebody else. There was the

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<v Speaker 1>issue with you know, of course, Peter Parker getting the

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<v Speaker 1>sunglasses that I guess gave him key to all of

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<v Speaker 1>Tony's storage lockers. You might imagine, but they've never really

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<v Speaker 1>pursued that. And so I think that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>overall kind of a general trend towards proliferation of superhero stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>both technologies from heroes and villains, and these kind of

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<v Speaker 1>very offshoots of super soldier serum sneaking out into the

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<v Speaker 1>general population, creating villains and creating mercenaries. All of that

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<v Speaker 1>is really cool. And listen, our heroes need more people

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<v Speaker 1>to fight. It can't always be like this huge galactic

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<v Speaker 1>level Thanos level threat all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it can't. And they've struggled with what it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like when it's not that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that I think you're right, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be cool if we could pursue that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>More it would. I think that's what we got to

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<v Speaker 2>look for, and I think that's what's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>most exciting. And I'm very excited that we were able

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<v Speaker 2>to access our secret EMCU six or six tapes and

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait for you guys to keep joining us for

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<v Speaker 2>Impending Doomsday.

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<v Speaker 1>The next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest news week that's for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>X Ray Vision is hosted by Jasoncepcion and Rosie Knight

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