1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode candid spoilers for the Captain America Films 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: and Captain America Well Steve Rogers and Sam Wilson throughout. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: The MCU, you've been warned. 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Jason Stepsia and I'm Rosie Knight, 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: and welcome back to Xtra Vision, the podcast where we 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comedy of pop culture. 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Company from our podcast where we're bringing you through epistence. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: Week last news list news in today's episode, well, we 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: have a special treat for you, guys. We're still months 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: away from Avengers Doomsday, but with so many players spread 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 2: across movies, TVs and multiverses each month, we were gonna 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: deep dive into a set of characters to help you 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: prepare for the MCU's next big tempole films. But this 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: will not be your average x ray Vision episode. Through 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: some multiversal trickery, Jason and I have managed to obtain 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: a recording of tonight's nightly news from Earth six one six, 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: so we're giving you a look inside the minds of 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: the everyday people living with the Avengers and dealing with 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: the fallout of the Infinity Saga. Steve Rogers a kid 20 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: from Brooklyn, rejected from military service multiple times before being 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: selected for Project Rebirth, a classified SSR program given. 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: Steve just couldn't wait to get into the military and 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: kill The problem was Rosie. He was eighty five pounds 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: and they didn't think he'd be able to do it. 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: They were wrong. He would go on to be one 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: of the most prolific military killers and military figureheads in 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: American history. The process was a success, but the project leader, 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: doctor Erskine, and his research were destroyed by Nazi spies. 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: Steve became Captain America, led the Howling Commandos against Hydra 30 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: was regarded as the greatest soldier of the war. Disappeared 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: in nineteen forty five after reportedly crashing a hydro aircraft 32 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: in the Arctic to prevent a mash casualty attack on 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: the American East Coast. He was declared killed in action 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: and became a legend. He was recovered from the ice 35 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: decades late up by Shield, one of the most stunning 36 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: discoveries in modern history. Steve was recruited to the Avengers 37 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: Initiative and fought in the Battle of New York, the 38 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: event that changed everything the world learned. It was not alone. 39 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: Who could forget the day that aliens from the sky 40 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: invaded New York City for reasons I think most of 41 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: us were still pretty unclear about correct, But there was 42 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: Captain America running around on the street saving people's lives, 43 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: and what a sight to see. There was some discussion 44 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: about whether that could be him, seeing as how he 45 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: disappeared some seventy years earlier, but indeed it turned out 46 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: it was him. It was the classified records that have 47 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: since been declassified indicate that he was frozen in ice. 48 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 2: Can you believe it? This is the kind of thing 49 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: that since the Battle of New York we have all 50 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: started to have to get used to. After the battle, 51 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: he became the de facto field leader of the Avengers, 52 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: the one giving the orders while the sky was falling. 53 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Avengers was a public private partnership project between the government 54 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: Shield and Tony Stark, billionaire philanthropist Tony Starkhall everybody, Uh, 55 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think a controversial, surely, a polarizing figure 56 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: whose weapons have rot destruction throughout the world, but whose 57 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: clean energy initiatives are truly impressive. 58 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: Rogers exposed a hydra infiltration that had been festering inside 59 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: Shield for decades. Three Hella carriers destroyed over Washington, DC's 60 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 2: shield was effectively dismantled. It was then that Rogers went 61 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: rogue to protect Sergeant James Bucky Barnes, the Winter Soldier, 62 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: his childhood friend who had been brainwashed by Hydra given. 63 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: This is where public opinion on Rogers starts to fracture, 64 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: because it was around this time the public began to 65 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: realize that this was a man who would go against 66 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety two UN countries in order to 67 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: save his best friend. 68 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: The Russian agent Bucky. 69 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: Barnes, exactly. 70 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: People were not happy about that, Jason. 71 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: No, they weren't happy about that. They weren't happy about 72 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: the destruction of Cekovia after the Avengers battle with all 73 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: Tra Tron rumored to be a creation of Tony Stark. 74 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: You've never answered questions on the record about that, but 75 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: supposedly Tony Stark created the vibranium covered robot Ultron. The 76 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: fight against Ultron didn't destroy the Eastern European nation of 77 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: Secoviet completely. 78 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 79 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of dead just be. 80 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: A giant piece of island falling out of the sky, 81 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: a crater. 82 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: Where the nation should have been. And after this the 83 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: nations of the world got together and went, can we 84 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: really let six people who can drop an asteroid on 85 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: a nation by themselves just run around doing whatever they want? 86 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 1: And thus the Cekovia Accords came into power. 87 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: The accords required Avengers to operate under un oversight. Steve 88 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: Rogers refused to sign, though Tony Stark did. The Avengers split. 89 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: Rogers and a faction of Avengers, including Sam Wilson, went underground, 90 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: effectively becoming fugitives. He chose loyalty to bonds and personal 91 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: conscience over institutional authority. When Thanos arrived, Rogers came out 92 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: of hiding. He joined many of our other heroes for 93 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: a last stand in Wakanda. He was one of the 94 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: survivors of the snap. As we know, I was gone 95 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: during the blip, so I don't remember anything from that time. 96 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: You know, it happened to many of us. It was terrible. 97 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: They had the Russo brothers out there at support groups 98 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: being gay. It was like they were trying to connect 99 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: with us guys, and you know what. 100 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: And Steve was cool with it. I just want to 101 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: by all the reports, all the reports we have and 102 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: Steve was cool with it. I just want to stress that. 103 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: Five years later, the Avengers tried for one last mission, 104 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: a time heist. Rogers was instrumental in rallying the remaining 105 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: members of the team to attempt the impossible. In the 106 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: final battle, Steve Rodgers lifted Molnair Thor's hammer. He was 107 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: confirmed worthy. For millions watching, this was the defining image 108 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: of the war. This is the moment that people have painted. 109 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: This is the moment people have talked about. Jason, what 110 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: was it like when you heard that Steve Rogers was 111 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: truly worthy and he had picked up Thor's hammer? 112 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: Well, you wondered how Thor felt about it. But luckily, 113 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: by that point in time, there were two enchanted weapons 114 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: on the field. You had a stormbreaker of the axe, 115 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: and then of course you had the original mulla mm hmm. 116 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: But it was cool. It was an incredible moment. You 117 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: know a friend who has a tattooed on his chest. 118 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: It was It's a moment that continues to resonate throughout time. 119 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: I don't know why Steve didn't get to keep it, 120 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: but maybe maybe because he disappeared. That was that was good. 121 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: Steve stood alone against Thanos's army and said, I can 122 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: do this all day, and then the portals opened it. 123 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: I have heard rumors that this is when Sam Wilson 124 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: came back, saying, on your left, classic bit. Imagine you 125 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: just came back from five years in the blip. When 126 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: that happened to me, I was like what And I 127 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 2: was swearing and I was cursing, and people I was 128 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: going crazy. I just appeared back and left. Sam Wilson, 129 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: he said a catchphrase, that's a powerful riturn. That's how 130 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: you knew he was going to be the new Captain America. 131 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: He knew branding was so important. 132 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it must have been extremely confusing and 133 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: disorienting for everybody. Luckily, all the heroes were were able 134 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: to absorb the information and understand what was going on. 135 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: You know, I've seen people come back after the Blip 136 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: to what is known as the Snap, and it was 137 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: quite terrifying. People peering at a thin air, screaming, masturbating, 138 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: all kindness, taking dumb terrible. It was and you know, 139 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: very shocking. So I've heard that most of the heroes 140 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: disappeared in the midst of the battle that took place 141 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: in the mysterious nation of conduct, so probably they were primed, 142 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, for to continue the fight. For them, it 143 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: was just like I was just fighting and now I'm 144 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: back fighting again. It doesn't it make sense. Luckily no 145 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: one was, you know again, no one was taking a 146 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: dump in the middle of the blip. 147 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: I have had that some people were just about to die, 148 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: got blipped and then came back and died straight away, 149 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: which is like, did. 150 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: They get five extra years? 151 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it's very strange. I feel like there's going 152 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: to be great academic writing on the blip. We of 153 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: course that XOTV will at some point have a blip 154 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: expose a documentary come out. After the battle, Rogers volunteered 155 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: to return the Infinity Stones to their proper timelines, but 156 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: he never came back, or at least not as expected anyway, 157 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: and elderly Steve Rodgers appeared shortly after, having apparently lived 158 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 2: out a full life in an alternate time life. 159 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't there, but this is what has been incredibly 160 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: told to me, was that after putting the stones back, 161 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: everybody came back, Everything's fine. Then Steve came back and 162 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: he was old, very very very old, skinny with like 163 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: the baggy neck, looking kind of like jo That's what 164 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: they said, looking a lot like Joseph Biden, but but 165 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: but more vital, you know, much more, you know, like 166 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: like he'd been having good, good sex for the last 167 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: fifty to sixty years, right in shape, trim, but bold, 168 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Jason. 169 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: That does raise a lot of questions and has raised 170 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: a lot of question about what Steve was doing in 171 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 2: the past. 172 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: He was, he was just fucking his way. Sorry, let's 173 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: take that again. He was having intercourse with his wife, 174 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: I know. 175 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: But Jason, if he went back in time, does that 176 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: mean he was okay with segregation? Does that mean he 177 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: was okay with the enslavement of people's How far did 178 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: he go back, Jason? And these are the questions people 179 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: want to know. 180 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: We don't have any answers to that, because old Steve 181 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: went back in there to continue his life of intercourse 182 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: with his beautiful wife, Beggy Carter. 183 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: She has beautiful He passed his shield to Sam Wilson, 184 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: causing much chaos and controversy over the fact that he 185 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: did not give it to Bucky Barnes. Steve Rogers has 186 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 2: not been publicly seen since, and his whereabouts and status 187 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: are unknown post Steve. The mantle of Captain America eventually 188 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: went to Sam Wilson after the brief and ultimately infamous 189 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: John Walker into This video that we are showing right 190 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: now might be a bit triggering for those of you. 191 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: It is the video of John Walker decapitating a member 192 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 2: of the public with the Captain America shield. 193 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: Shocking events. 194 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: Shocking events, and that is why you will notice that 195 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: he is no longer US agent or Captain America that 196 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: heard him. There are rumors that Steve is coming back. 197 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: Will we have two caps? Will it be cap'n Falcon? 198 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: Will it be cap Falcon and Falcon because now we 199 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: know that the young hero known as Joaquin has also 200 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: taken on the role of Falcon. There are so many questions, guys, 201 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: and that's why we're here to answer them. So let's 202 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: cut to Daniel Blake with the weather and we'll be 203 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: back after these commercials with Soup Center. 204 00:12:48,200 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome back to Soup Center. I'm your host, Aaron M. Kaufman, 205 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: and today on first issue, we're getting into the truth 206 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: about Steve Rodgers and his cohort of shield carriers. Joining 207 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: me for today's debate, we have Jason Conception and Rosie Knight, 208 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: how are the two of you doing today? 209 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: Doing great? 210 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 2: I'm ready, ready to talk about it, ready to talk 211 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: about this controversial figure in our American history. 212 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: So first up, I want to ask, is the best 213 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 3: offense actually just a good offense? Is Captain America's shield 214 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: an outdated symbol? 215 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: Jason? 216 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: What do you stand on this? 217 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: I love the shield. The shield is classic. The shield 218 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: has been the symbol of Captain America since World War Two, 219 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: the last good war, and that, you know, I think 220 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: it says a lot about him. He's not going to 221 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: go on the offense. He's going to defend the rights 222 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: of free people everywhere with that shield. The shield is indestructible. 223 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: He's got a gun. The shield is special. Keep the shield. 224 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: I love the shield. It's a powerful, powerful symbol. 225 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: I don't disagree with Jason, though, I will say I 226 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: feel like this shield has to have some rehab posted 227 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 2: John Walker chopping off ahead. I know it's a different 228 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: shape shield, but I feel like, you know, that vision 229 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: of an American flag inspired shield covered in blood is 230 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: a hard one to get rid of. So I think 231 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: the shield is important. I think we gotta bring the 232 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: shield back in a positive way. That reframes it for 233 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: new people. Because Sam Wilson's shield it's powerful. He can 234 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: get it very far, he's good at throwing it, but 235 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: it's yet to have that true iconic moment the way 236 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: that Steve has. So I feel like we got to 237 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: bring the shield back, maybe reimagine it a little, but 238 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: I think keep the shield. He doesn't need a gun. 239 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: No one wants to see Captain America with a gun. 240 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: Well, you know, the original shield was that kind of 241 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: hearts shape with the flat top on the two sides, 242 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: that kind of tear drop down to a point at 243 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: the bottom. And my issue with that is that looks 244 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: even more dangerous than the than the shield that John 245 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: Wach used to decapitate the guy. It looks sharper, it 246 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: looks more dangerous. There's a point in it. You can 247 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: imagine the Captain America who wields it stabbing somebody with it, 248 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: stabbing them in the net, sawing them and the guts 249 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: and their guts all out. And I think the circular shield, 250 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: it just feels like I'm not discounting the fact that 251 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: there is a serious image problem, that indelible image of 252 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: the head rolling down the street, the blood spurting out 253 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: John Walker. Lynn's standing there looking crazed, screaming incoherently. It 254 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: was a great and you know, and it's something that 255 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: you can see on the internet all the time. It's really, really, 256 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: really horrible, and it was a propaganda victory for America's enemies. 257 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: That said, I do think the circular shield is just 258 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: inherently less aggressive. And listen, maybe you maybe you make 259 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: the edges a little rounder, maybe round them off a 260 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know what kind of manufacturing process 261 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: for vibranium, like, am I am I suggesting something that's 262 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: actually impossible with the physics of vibranium. It does it 263 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: affect the aerodynamics? Is it now fly slower? Does it 264 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: not bounce as well? If you do that, whatever the 265 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: case may be, I'd be willing to explore that a 266 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: softer edge shield, But I think the circular shield it's 267 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: just better. It looks better the John Walker stuff. Nonwithstanding, 268 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: let's put that in the past. Let's keep the shield 269 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: the symbol of Captain America, and let's just put it 270 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: in the hands of a person who won't go around 271 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: to capitating people. As simple as that, simple as that. 272 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: Now, a lot has been said about about Sam Wilson, 273 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: who's taken the man of Captain America. He was the 274 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: young developmental kid that we had on the bench. We 275 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: had a lot of faith in him. He had a 276 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: lot of potential and he's now taken over the role 277 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: of Captain America. But the Falcons haven't always had the 278 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: best luck in sports. Did Falcon fumble the role as 279 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 3: the leader of the Avengers? Rosie? What do you think? 280 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: Oh? 281 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: I think this is an unfair to put it on 282 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: Sam Wilson, though I do think it's a fair question 283 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: to ask. I do not think that he had the 284 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: support of the Avengers, as we have seen in the 285 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 2: past Steve Rogers Avengers had billions of dollars via Tony Stark. 286 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: By the time Sam takes on Captain America's shield, Tony 287 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: is dead. He's living in a post Tony Stark world. 288 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: And it seems like Tony Stark only bothered to give 289 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 2: his leftover technology to teenage boys, which you know is 290 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 2: a question for another day. But I would say that 291 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 2: I do think Sam didn't have the right preparation and 292 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: to truly take on the lead of Avengers. But also 293 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: I would say I think there's a level of racism 294 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: there to guys playing into this because the government tried 295 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: to get sacked. 296 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: Here we go, be Captain America. 297 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: We go, here, we go, and then they take we 298 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: go right out the history of other Captain Americas who 299 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: are black. So I think that he was not given 300 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: the preparation that he needed and the support to truly 301 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: bring an Avengers team to the forefront, because who do 302 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: we have now? Guys, whoe are the Avengers? 303 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: Now? Rosie, I would like to remind you please stick 304 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: to soups here all right? 305 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: The facts here are the facts. Here are the facts 306 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: about Sam Wilson, who by all accounts is a nice 307 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: man and we you know, appreciate his service to our 308 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: country as a member of the pair of rescue team 309 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: in the Middle East. That said Sam Wilson wings were 310 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Condon tech. Sam Wilson, the little mobile remote control bird 311 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: were Condon tech. Where's that data going? Where is that 312 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: from the bird going? Is it going to us here 313 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: in the United States of America or is it going 314 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: to athletes? 315 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: Captain America? 316 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: So a scurious country in Afriga we don't even know about. Okay, 317 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: this guy is why can't we he wear the stuff 318 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: that we make for him. Yeah, okay, wearing stuff from 319 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: other countries, and again seems like it seems like a 320 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: nice guy. Okay, but he doesn't have the super soldier 321 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: serum and the only thing that makes him special is 322 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: a foreign nations technology that we don't understand. So I 323 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: just I'm not saying no to Sam Wilson. I'm just 324 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: saying I have questions. The bar, of course, was absolutely 325 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: on the ground, and I try the decapitation of that 326 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: random guy by John Walker, but that means we need 327 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: more clarity from our captain America. Where does this tech 328 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: come from? How does it work? How does the little 329 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: remote control bird work? Where does the intelligence from the 330 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: little remote control bird go? Does it stay here? Does 331 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: it go to Wakanda? Can they kill the suit with 332 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: a push of a button? Question? These are all ken 333 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: is would Sam Wilson feel comfortable going on a mission 334 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: in America's interests against Wakanda. We don't have the answers 335 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: to these questions, and we need to have the answers 336 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: to those questions before I'm comfortable saying Sam Wilson is 337 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: the guy Jason. 338 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: I know that oftentimes we do butt heeads about this, 339 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 2: But I must say I do have a source who 340 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: did inform me that Bucky Bond's what Coandon arm was 341 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: able to be controlled by Wakanda. 342 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: And they don't even get me start about Bucky Barnes. 343 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: Who stop the arm. So I do think you raise 344 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 2: a good point about national security here, Jason, as much 345 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: as I hate to admit it. 346 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: Don't even get me started about Bucky Barnes, who has 347 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: is a known victim of mine control which has never 348 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: been solved. He's been rumored and suspected to be an 349 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: active participant in numerous political assassinations over the course of 350 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: multiple decades. He's got the Wakandan Arm. He was a 351 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: Russian agent, we know that absolutely for sure, and then 352 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: he was a Russian Nazi agent, which is crazy for 353 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: much of the Shield period. And he again seems like 354 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: a nice guy. You can see him walking around your 355 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: city all the time, used to talk up and talk 356 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: to me. Seems like a very very sweet guy. But 357 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: I just don't know. I just don't know if we 358 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: can trust him. There was the issue where you know, 359 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: Baronzimo read him a dozen random words and he went 360 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: crazy again and killed multiple people in Switzerland, excuse me, Germany. 361 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: We can't have that happen again. And I just feel 362 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: like until such time as we can be sure that 363 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: the mind can thing is really under control, we have 364 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: to question Bucky Barnes as well. And then you said 365 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: it the Wakandan tech which he does not control, which 366 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: we do not control. We don't know who controls it now. 367 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 3: I just want to remind that two of you that 368 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 3: Bucky Barnes was elected congressman and has held political office. 369 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: That's a whole other issue. This is a democracy. If 370 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: people want to elect an absolute Russian spy, Russian Nazi spy, 371 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: they all free to do that. Sadly, it was in 372 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: the United States of America, and he may go all 373 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: the way up to president if if the people of 374 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: this country do so choose to elect that person. 375 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: They did elect the Hulk, so you know it could happen. 376 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: All right, Well, they didn't, to be fair to the electorate, 377 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: they did not know he was a Hulk at that time. 378 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: They didn't although they were sure. Listen, I didn't vote 379 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: for him. He was a whole criminal, yes, but you 380 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: know I didn't vote for him, but many people did. 381 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: And there it is our. 382 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: Next topic I want to hear from both of you 383 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: about is copyright incringement the Avengers versus the New Avengers, 384 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: the branding here we've had an expansion team. I'm not 385 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: really sure if there's the fandom around and the talent 386 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 3: pool for both teams. But Jason, what do you think 387 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: Avengers New Avengers? Too many teams? Who exactly? 388 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: Exactly? 389 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: Sorry, some people may think that you suddenly had an 390 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: owl come on, but I said, who knew? 391 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: Who? 392 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: Who? What have they done? I'm aware of this team 393 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: that you talk about that you're speaking of. I think 394 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: I bench press more than forty percent of that team. 395 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: The team is just people. There's Buggy Barnes with a 396 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: Condon arm question mark, an active congressman. Who can he 397 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: be doing this running around leading a team of guys 398 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: and gals but who have no special ability that we 399 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: know of, and various members of them are have been 400 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: agents of a foreign government and mind control Yolena for one. 401 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: And then you know, listen, I've decried the decapitation in 402 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: the streets of Vienna. And John Wilson is a member 403 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: of that team. 404 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: Team, He's on the team. This is a team of 405 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: misfits and That's not to say that maybe they could 406 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: have come together and do something good. But guys, who 407 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 2: have they been brought together by none other than the 408 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: Countess of Valentina Alegrafontee. She's annoying, she's shady, she's machinations 409 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Every time we have her on here, 410 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: she avoids answering any serious questions. I am wary of 411 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: any team put together by the American government solely, though 412 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 2: I must say I understand why the government would want 413 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: to do this after the private public combination of the 414 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: Avengers that led to the issues with the Kovia records. 415 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 2: But I must say Thunderbolts was a better name. That 416 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 2: is what the fans named them online. It was contestant. 417 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: He tried to do this New Avengers. You are not 418 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: the new Avengers. You were not even analogous to the Avengers. 419 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 3: I agree. 420 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: My understanding from what I'm hearing from the food delivery 421 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 2: guy is that the most powerful member can't even use 422 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: his powers. There's one member who has powers and he 423 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: can't use them. And if we're to be believed what 424 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: the streets are saying, he might even be the reason 425 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: they had to become a team in the first place, 426 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: in which case, just don't put the team together. 427 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: I think that is the fact. Their very first mission 428 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: was to fight the guy that is now part of 429 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: the team. This gentleman who you were talking about made 430 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: several dozen people turned to stains in New York City. 431 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: Now he is apparently part of the team. The rest 432 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: of that roster includes red Guardian for an act. So 433 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: basically the Captain America of Russia, overweight alcoholic Yolana Belova, 434 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: Russian agent, sitting Buggy Barnes mind controlled, sitting congressman, former 435 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: Russian Nazi assassin, a US agent who decapitated a guy 436 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: in the streets of Vienna. It's a tough look, I think, 437 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: and that's why I would say, let's keep it the thunderbolts. 438 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: And that's not Sully the name of the e. Even 439 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: if you put new on it, it's just not it's 440 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: not enough. And then there's I didn't even mention Ghost, 441 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: who were not Can they take a shower? Like, what 442 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: is the deal with Ghost? Are they in this dimension? 443 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: Are they halfway in another dimension? We didn't Can they 444 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: take the suit off? Do they disappear if they take 445 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: the suit off? It's unclear? That said the only maybe 446 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: dependable American. Well, actually she appears to be from England. 447 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: Never mind. 448 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 3: All right. A follow up to that, a lot of 449 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: our fans have been wondering, are we in a drought 450 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 3: of American superheroes? Do we have too many international names 451 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: on the superhero market right now? 452 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: Wow, it's a good question. I think it depends on 453 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: It depends on how you look at it. I do 454 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: think that it's true that a certain generation of American 455 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: superhero has passed from the scene. Now we can get 456 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: them back through various multiversal techniques, although that has drawbacks 457 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: in and of itself see the issue with Doctor Doom 458 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: potentially being Tony Stark from another dimension. 459 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 2: Crazy, But. 460 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: You know, we got to get the talent from where 461 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: we can get it. I do think that there's opportunities 462 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: to find more talent with this kind of mutant trend 463 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: that seems like it's increasing. But to me, the main 464 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: issue is that we've got a young crop of superheroes 465 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: coming and now that haven't proven themselves. We have no 466 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: idea what they can do, we have no idea what 467 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: their power sets are, and we have no idea if 468 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: they can work together. The original Avengers had gotten to 469 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,239 Speaker 1: the point where it was on you know, it was 470 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: it was autopilot for them. They were the synergy was incredible, 471 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, and it was incredible. The chemistry was incredible 472 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: right off the bat. Remember the move and the Battle 473 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: of New York when Tony Stark shot the repulsal rays 474 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: off caps shield, which was he didn't even need to 475 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: do that. That was just they were. They were just 476 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: spite just looking at they were just looking cool doing that, right, 477 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: And they don't We don't know if they can work 478 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: together as a team. The original Steve Rogers was a 479 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: tactical mastermind and could put people in roles and everybody 480 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: respected that. We don't know what roles these young upcoming 481 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: superheroes can play yet, and we've got to figure that 482 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: out on the field. 483 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: Rosie, one final thought from you. With the Captain American name, 484 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: a hero that has meant so much to all of us, 485 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: has that name been sullied? And what do you need 486 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 3: to see to be a fan again? 487 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: I do believe that the Captain American name has been sullied. 488 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: I believe that. To believe in him again, I just 489 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: need to see him come back and do something good 490 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 2: because honestly, I don't even think that the sullying began 491 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: with the nation of John Walker being a decapitator. I 492 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: believe that Steve Rodgers's own choice to go into the 493 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 2: past and time heist and then stay there and have 494 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 2: make beautiful love to Peggy Carter is in itself a 495 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: sullying because it opens too many questions, Like we said, Steve, 496 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 2: what were you doing back then? We need to know. 497 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: I also feel like I am hearing from the streets 498 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: that there are these young wild heroes with crazy powers, 499 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: girls who can turn light into physical manifestations, incredible archers. 500 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: There are young heroes. I feel like we need Captain 501 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: America to come back and be the beacon, the leader, 502 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: the center of this new young generation, or else we're 503 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: just gonna end up with more bootleg teams like the 504 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: New Avengers that aren't gonna rise to the same heights 505 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: as what we have previously seen before. 506 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: Well, Rosie and Jason, thank you so much for joining us. 507 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: We're gonna throw to Jackson Wheel now for rush hour traffic, 508 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 3: and we'll be back up from these messages. 509 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: That work and we're back okay as we head into doomsday, Rosie, Yes, 510 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: what predictions and theories do we have for Captain America, 511 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: the character, the mantle, whether that's Steve Rodgers, whether that's Sam, 512 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: whoever it may be going forward. What do you think 513 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: is who's gonna Who's gonna be the Captain America going forward? 514 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: I think we will get this final movie with Steve 515 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: Rodgers as Captain America. He's gonna be taking it back, 516 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: He's gonna be re establishing the mantle, the framework of 517 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: what it is to be Captain America in a post 518 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: doomsday world. I also think that we'll see that expand 519 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: out from the idea of protecting America because we know 520 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: that this is going to become multiversal. I also think 521 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: we will likely see both Sam and Cap B Cap 522 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: at some point in this movie. We will get two 523 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: of them with the two shields. It will be a 524 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: really powerful moment. But I do feel like we could 525 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: also end Doomsday with multiple caps like they've recently done 526 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: in the comics, where you have different Captain Americas in 527 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: different cities, and it becomes more of a Batman inc 528 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: Esque mantle that inspires different people around the world rather 529 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: than a singular Captain America. Because I do think that 530 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: the Steve Rogers Captain America story, as much as you 531 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: know our six or six counterparts may have issues with 532 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: the choices he's made, has been a pretty definitive version 533 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: of this hero for Marvel. So I think that ending 534 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: it in a triumphant way, while maybe setting the seeds 535 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: for like a different version of how his inspiration has 536 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: kind of shaped them MCU is probably what we're going 537 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: to get. What do you think. 538 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go crazy? And I think that there was 539 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: at least a chance that I think you're right that 540 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: we're going to see a Steve cap and a Sam cab. 541 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: I think we get Sam retaining the Captain America mantle. 542 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: Six six. I think we get a young Steve nomad. 543 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: Yes, multiversal nomad Steve. 544 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: Nomad Steve who's disillusioned and is just wandering around. And 545 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: then I think we get old Steve who is like 546 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: the tactical brain. Maybe not as Captain America, right, but 547 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: with the old Steve kind of more military uniform with 548 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: the Eagle and the and the star on the j Yeah, 549 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: sitting back in the control room and pulling the strings. 550 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: I think we get I think we get those two 551 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: Steve's and then I mean here's my few. Okay, this 552 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: is the multiverse. 553 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 554 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: Do we see the bad one? 555 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: Do we see the I do wonder. I did have 556 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: the fear that we may see Nazis. 557 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: I don't want to see that. 558 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 2: I don't want to see it. I don't want There 559 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: has been rumors that this could be very secret Empire coded. 560 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: The very controversial Captain America is a Nazi storyline. I 561 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: feel like the EMC nodded to that perfectly when they 562 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: had him say hey, Heyohydra and endgame as part of 563 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: the time heist to get out of the very famous fight. 564 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: I thought that was great. But I do think there 565 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: is a chance. I do think, also sadly, I think 566 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: there's a chance that the young cap we see is 567 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: Nazi cap or something and is going after the babies 568 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: for his own reason. I don't know. I'm interested to 569 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: see where it goes. I never really wanted to see 570 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: Steve Rogers's son, but hey, let's give it a try. 571 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: Let's see if what these kids mean for these heroes, 572 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: because I do think that's gonna be key to whether 573 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: or not the movie works. Are these children something been 574 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: added because of It's the most interesting thing for the character. Like, 575 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: I know that Love and Thunder was not a very 576 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 2: popular movie, and it was not, by any means a 577 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: high point of the MCU, But I actually think Thor 578 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 2: is someone who lost the love of his life, who 579 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 2: lost a lot of his family, who lost his brother. 580 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: I think the introduction of somebody else he can love 581 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 2: in his life is a really interesting character choice. So 582 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 2: I want to see if those choices are reflected when 583 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 2: it comes to Steve, someone that we never really expected 584 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: in the MCU to see again question mark unless you 585 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: kind of knew how this stuff worked, or with a kid. 586 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: So I'm very interested to see how that lands. But Jason, 587 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: I do think I think we are at a high 588 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 2: fifty to fifty point where we'll probably see a version 589 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 2: of Nazi Steve. 590 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: Sadly, Oh, do you think we see What do you 591 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: think about Old Steve? Do you think we get old Steve? 592 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: I think Old Steve has to be there one because 593 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: Old Steve became a meme and they do love to 594 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 2: reference a meme and a bit and that was so mimable. 595 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: Also think look Steve. 596 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 1: Old Steve was a feature of the Marvel continuity for yeah, 597 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: a couple of years, but that his oldness had to 598 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: do with a side effect of this show. 599 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: Super Solder Serum, where it basically was it stopped. Yes, 600 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 2: it kind of like in the Clone Wars where they 601 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 2: did the episode about the Clones who started to age 602 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: and it becomes this really existential thing. It's sort of 603 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 2: like that very again tied into that Secret Empire era, 604 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 2: which is interesting to see what they're drawing from. I 605 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: would actually really like to see them do something with 606 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: old Steve because also the Russo's are back. They have 607 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 2: you know, they started Act Boy, they launched a bunch 608 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: of other movies that didn't really hit for them, even 609 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 2: though they had a lot of financial backing. They want 610 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 2: to come back and make something the fans want. They 611 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 2: also are in conversation with the fans, and have always 612 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: been in conversation with the fans, so I think it 613 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 2: would be surprising to not at least get some conversation, 614 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 2: even if it's just a in universe kind of not 615 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: to oh, yeah, he did help people while he was old, 616 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 2: or oh no he didn't, you know whatever. Version. There's 617 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 2: also a version where the Steve that went back and 618 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: lived that life is the bad Steve because he ended 619 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: up because he went back and made the choice to 620 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 2: put himself before. 621 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: If old Steve is bad Steve, does that mean that's 622 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: original Steve? 623 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: And that's what I want to know. I think that there. 624 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: I think there's quite a high likelihood that what we're 625 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 2: going to see here is old Steve who came back 626 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 2: was never our real Steve who went away. The no 627 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 2: mad Steve who we see is actually that Steve who 628 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 2: had to like come back and be like, hey, I 629 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 2: need to fix things things I like or something. 630 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: I like this theory that I like the idea that 631 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: we got a different Steve who came back, who's somewhat 632 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 1: more amoral and much more selfish, was thinking about getting 633 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: his own freak on with Peggy over the interview decades 634 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: and was not thinking about doing good, and that good 635 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: Steve got lost in the sauce somewhere, got lost in 636 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: the mid exactly the multiverse, ended up in a worst 637 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: world and had to go nomad because he's like this 638 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: sucks and I can't be kept in America here. That's interesting, Yes. 639 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 2: I wonder if there's something like that, because that's like 640 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 2: way more intriguing to me than just the idea that 641 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 2: you know, potentially there's just these two different aged good 642 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 2: Steve's walking around. I think they really need to be 643 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: careful too, because when I thought, when we're talking to thinking, 644 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 2: when we're talking about this and thinking about this, it 645 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: becomes very clear how much they have to answer just 646 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 2: about Captain America, let alone the fact that we are 647 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: going to be dealing with, you know, twelve other major 648 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 2: characters in this movie. 649 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: My question, the big question for me regarding Captain America 650 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: is who is Captain America. I think Sam is going 651 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: to be Captain America for the next two movies, for 652 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 1: Doomsday and Secret Wars. Yes, the question is what happens then, 653 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: because I think we're going to see a lot of 654 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: turnover and probably see the universe kind of tilted more. 655 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 2: Towards the Mutants at that point agree. 656 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: And depending on how that goes, I think that Disney 657 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: will probably consider whether they want to continue or whether 658 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: they want to reboot in a kind of like ultimate 659 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: style just started all again type situation. 660 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, but. 661 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: What do you think who is Steve Long? Who is 662 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: Captain America? Long term? 663 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 2: This is the big question because in the comics there 664 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 2: have been like so many people who've tried to be 665 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 2: Captain America, like twenty plus people off to Steve quit. 666 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 2: That was three different people who came in to try. 667 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 2: That was Bob Russo, who was a professional baseball player 668 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 2: that was a most cycle thug with an incredible comic 669 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 2: book named Scot Turpin. And Roscoe Simmons who managed Steve's 670 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 2: Jim and actually ended up getting killed by the Red 671 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 2: Skull and that's part of why Steve gave up his 672 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 2: nomad person owner. And then obviously you have John Walker, 673 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: Isaiah Bradley or who we've already met, I think Sam Wilson. 674 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 2: And then the most recent one was the United States 675 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 2: of Captain America, which was very interesting, which was kind 676 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 2: of different Captain America's for different states. So you had 677 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 2: Nishelle Wright who was a Captain America of Harrisburg. You 678 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 2: had Aaron Fisher he was a Captain America of the 679 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 2: railway Ways. You had Joe Gomez who was the Captain 680 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 2: America of the Kickaboo Tribe. And you had Ariel Agabarnia 681 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: as the campus Captain America. But I think realistically looking 682 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: at what them so who's doing right now and how 683 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 2: they're trying to play into fandom and essentially what fandom wanted, 684 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 2: you know, ten years ago. I think that we will 685 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 2: see Bucky Barnes become Captain America at some point. I 686 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 2: think that he's a fan fave of character. People always 687 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 2: wanted to see it. With him on the Thunderbolts, he 688 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: had cap shield while he was on the Thunderbolts. In 689 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 2: the comics, I think that they should have probably done 690 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 2: that first and then built up to Sam really getting 691 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 2: his place, but sadly that wasn't what happened. So I 692 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 2: do think, well, we'll see Sam and Steve here. I 693 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 2: think that post this next event, I think it wouldn't 694 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 2: be shocking if Bucky became our cap. 695 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: Here's my other question, Well, I think we got to. 696 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: I think whoever is cap going. 697 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 2: Go to juice them? 698 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: They got a juice them. Yeah, I think you can't 699 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: just be a guy. 700 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: Now, it doesn't work in this world. Yeah, it doesn't 701 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 2: work in this world anymore. 702 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: Now Sam has some moves where he can increase his 703 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: power with the kind of wing moves and the spins 704 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: and dropping out of the skin. That's all cool. I 705 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 1: think that's really cool, But ultimately you can just do 706 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: more with it with juiced cap and to me, the 707 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: juice is as important as the It's kind of more 708 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: important than the shield certain respects. 709 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 2: It kind of is because they want to. 710 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: Out the essential nature as Erskin said of Man, and 711 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: the fact that Steve is such a good man is 712 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: what made him Captain America, not the shield. So I 713 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: think we gotta I think juice. I gotta get juiced. 714 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 2: I got one last question for you, Jason. It's Captain 715 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 2: America adjacent and I think is a really important question. 716 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 2: Are we gonna see Sharon call a power broker again? 717 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 3: Like? 718 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 2: Was that real? Like? Is she power broken? What's going 719 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 2: We gotta go on? What's going on with that? Like 720 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 2: that's what we need to know. 721 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a very rich plot line, actually, you know, 722 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: like it's. 723 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 2: So interesting if they actually explore it properly. 724 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, illegal superhero tech has entered the world, and we've 725 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: seen it with these kind of I think most effectively 726 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: in in the Spider Man movies. 727 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm. 728 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: You know the Vulture and his crew guys who collected 729 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: a Battle of New York Tatari tech and you know 730 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: we're selling it on the black market. I think that's 731 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that will only increase. I think, 732 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 1: were we really missed out on the armor wars? 733 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 2: And what hell man, I wanna know? I need to know. 734 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: That isn't that's an unanswered question. Does the government just 735 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 1: have all like trillion dollars worth of worth of weaponry 736 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: or did that go to somebody else. There was the 737 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: issue with you know, of course, Peter Parker getting the 738 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: sunglasses that I guess gave him key to all of 739 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: Tony's storage lockers. You might imagine, but they've never really 740 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: pursued that. And so I think that there is a 741 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: overall kind of a general trend towards proliferation of superhero stuff, 742 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: both technologies from heroes and villains, and these kind of 743 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: very offshoots of super soldier serum sneaking out into the 744 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: general population, creating villains and creating mercenaries. All of that 745 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: is really cool. And listen, our heroes need more people 746 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: to fight. It can't always be like this huge galactic 747 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 1: level Thanos level threat all the time. 748 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 2: No, it can't. And they've struggled with what it looks 749 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 2: like when it's not that. 750 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: So I think that I think you're right, it would 751 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 1: be cool if we could pursue that stuff. 752 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 2: More it would. I think that's what we got to 753 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 2: look for, and I think that's what's going to be 754 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,479 Speaker 2: most exciting. And I'm very excited that we were able 755 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 2: to access our secret EMCU six or six tapes and 756 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 2: can't wait for you guys to keep joining us for 757 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 2: Impending Doomsday. 758 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: The next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into the 759 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: biggest news week that's for this episode. 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