1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: We have seen the most serious escalation of the war 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: since the invasion in February. Stop. He needs to be stopped, 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: and this is our goal, and this is our aim, 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: and this is our attack. We can just flat leave 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: and still probably hold his position together in Russia. Floomberg 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: sound On, Politics, Policy and perspective from DC's top name. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: It's especially good to be here with the next United 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: States Center from Georgia. I'm not running because i want 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: to be a Senate. I'm running because I'm sick. Bloomberg 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The Allies 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: plan a new air defense system for Ukraine as Vladimir 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Putin threatens more missile attacks. Welcome to the fastest hour 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: in politics with breaking news on a new effort by 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 1: the US and NATO to close the skies. We'll talk 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: about it with Mike Rogers, former Republican Congressman from Michigan 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: and chair the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Herschel Walker 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: tries to manage to damage sitting for an emotional one 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: on one interview just a day after the Republican leadership 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: tried to boost his campaign in Georgia. We'll talk about 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: the race with political scientists Under Gillespie of Emory University 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: Analysis from our panel today. Bloomberg Politics contributor Republican strategist 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 1: Rick Davis is here along with Democratic canalyst Roger Fisk 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: of New Day Strategy. Just a day after President Zelenski 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: addressed a virtual meeting in the G seven, and after 26 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: the deadly missile strikes on civilians across Ukraine over the weekend, 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: the U S and its allies in Europe are up 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: with a new plan to help. It's an integrated air 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: defense system to protect against Russian cruise missiles weapons from airplanes. 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin spoke in Brussels earlier today. 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: The meeting in the Ukraine Contact Group as it's called. 32 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: It's a group of fifty countries that meets to assess 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: Ukraine's defense to gather again today to support Ukraine's an 34 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: alienable rights to defend himself. Can Our resolve and steadiness 35 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: of purpose has only been strengthened. But this will come 36 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: with some challenges, and we're joined to talk about it 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: by Mike Rogers, former Republican Congressman from Michigan chair the 38 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and is steeped in this material. 39 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: Mr Chairman, welcome back to Bloomberg. It is great to 40 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: be here. Thanks for having It's looking like Ukraine is 41 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: about to get something that it's been asking for. I 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: don't know if I should call it an iron dome. 43 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: I think it's not such a thing technically, but a 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: massive air defense system that would protect against air attack. 45 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: Will it make a difference, Oh, it'll make a huge difference. 46 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: Not only can it target incoming missiles, but some of 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: the missiles that have been launched into Ukraine by Russia 48 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: are plane based, and so any time that you can 49 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: make those weapons have to stand off at a further 50 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: distance to fire, it absolutely has an impact in our 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: ability to a shoot them down there and stop the onslaught. 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: Why don't we do this eight months ago? We should 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: have absolutely done a date months ago once. Should you 54 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: were in you know, it's in for a penny, in 55 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: for a pound. Some notion that we can very publicly 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: debate about which weapons systems go in or don't go in, 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: or that one might be more leethful to Russians than 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: that weapon. That's just an absolute losing, Uh, just a 59 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: losing approach to this, and so think about it. You'll 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: actually save lives, You'll by trying to draw this thing 61 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: down to a close earlier. So a well weaponized Ukrainian 62 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: army shouldn't be able to just not lose. They need 63 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: to be able to put some hurt on the Russians. 64 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: Now they've done that based on their their absolute tenacity 65 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: to this point, but imagine if they had other weapons 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 1: systems that would help round out their ability not only 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: to defend their cities and their civilians, but again put 68 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: the hurt on these Russians that are now just pouring 69 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: over the border. From what we understand from General Millie, 70 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: this will involve of weapons systems, weapons defense systems to 71 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: be clear, from the US, from Germany, maybe even other countries. 72 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: Based on your experience, do you have a sense of 73 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: how long it would take to make all these different 74 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: technologies work together or is this something that we can 75 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: start now. Well, most NATO technology by design and implementation 76 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: works together already, so that's not going to be the issue. Uh. 77 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: If the issue is getting the equipment forward, meaning up 78 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: to Ukraine, getting the Ukrainians trained on it so that 79 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: they can be effective. And one thing I will tell 80 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: you they have very quickly adapted to new technology on 81 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: the battlefield, I mean very impressive. So not that won't 82 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: part won't take long, but there is going to be 83 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: some lag here. Uh. And if the Russians know it's coming, 84 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: the only word you have is do they pour it 85 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: on missile wise up until that point? And that's that's 86 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: to be determined. Yeah, they obviously know it's coming as well. 87 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: Of course, you know, wouldn't take long to train Ukrainians 88 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: on fly and make twenty nine jets because they already 89 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: know how to fly them. Are we're gonna be talking 90 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: about this eight months from now, Congressman, as the jets 91 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: finally go over there. That could have made a difference 92 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: at the beginning. Oh, they definitely could have made a difference. 93 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: Some I saw these arguments, crazy arguments that both jets 94 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't make a difference early on in the conflict and 95 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: have no good under national security. Person who understands military 96 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: doctrine knows that that was true. That was just nonsense. 97 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: Steven said, it wouldn't make a difference. So how do 98 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: you square that? Uh, that's I don't understand it. I 99 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: think there's more politics in that than there is substance, 100 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: and I think that's unfortunate. We know the way that 101 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: they're delivering these other missile systems that they absolutely would 102 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: have made a difference. Uh and uh, you mean getting them. 103 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's inevitable one of the things. 104 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: And I think why you're seeing this pullback in this notion, 105 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: while that might not be effective, that might be effective. Listen, 106 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: we want to give them what they're asking for they 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: were asking for mix months ago. Is because the Pentagon 108 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: keeps saying in the White House, keeps saying, well, what 109 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: if they go into show listen that we're right now, 110 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: we're just kind of dribbling and drabbling in and they're 111 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: taking it and making huge games. And the original purpose 112 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: was so you just don't lose. I'd give them everything 113 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: right now. The concern was sending fighter jets could be 114 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: seen as something more of a direct conflict between the 115 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: US or NATO and Russia. Do you feel that way 116 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: about a no fly zone? Is this air defense system 117 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: a better way to keep Americans out of danger? I 118 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: think it is, Listen, we don't want it to escalate 119 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: beyond the borders. Of Ukraine, certainly from a NATO perspective, 120 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: which is also the United States of that. Nobody wants that. 121 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: But what you don't want to do is give this 122 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: false notion to the Russians that they can just keep 123 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: doing this for camp time infinitum, because that they have 124 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: the ability not to have the Ukrainians really punchment in 125 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: the mouth. Now they've been punched in the mouth. They've 126 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: performed poorly. Their missile systems are excuse me, some of 127 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: their technology and their weapons systems are not functioning the 128 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: way we actually believe they would, and so all of 129 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: that is a drag on them. But what you don't 130 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: want to do is say, listen, I'll just call up 131 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: through inter thousand people, I'll flood the zone, and I'll 132 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 1: be doing this for a long time. And that means 133 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: killing lots of civilians, lots of Ukrainians along the way. 134 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: We need to force this to get to a point 135 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: what Putin needs to sit down and say, Okay, let's 136 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: work this out right now. Neither side as well to 137 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: do that. President Biden says, Vladimir Putin is a rational actor, 138 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: as we heard in the interview last night. Do you 139 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: agree with him? Listen. I think obviously he's got some issues, 140 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: but I do think in this military sense, he's a 141 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: rational actor. He was told something different from by his 142 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: military commanders about the readiness of his forces. He committed him, 143 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: and if you see the decision since then, even though 144 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: their conscripts are not doing well, there's more strategy in 145 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: what he's doing, including, by the way, you know that 146 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: leak that came out that said he has a nuclear torpedo, 147 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: which would mean something that would attack ports, which would 148 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: impact you know, the whole world's economy if you set 149 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: one off. The fact that he said, you know, I'm 150 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: not opposed to using tactical nuclear weapon. And by the way, 151 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: he's been saying that for twenty years. He believes tactical 152 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons are a part of his battlefield arsenal, So 153 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: that's something to factor in, and so in that way, 154 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: I do think he's rational, And I think what what 155 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: the White House was trying to walk back is this 156 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: notion of armageddon you use a tactical nuke. What the 157 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: President was inferring is a strategic missile exchange, which would 158 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: be absolutely catastrophic to the world. I don't think anybody 159 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 1: believes that's the right answer. And I mean anybody's a 160 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: new effort on Capitol Hill to stop selling or at 161 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: least pause selling arms to Saudi Arabia following the oil 162 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: production cut. Listen to Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut talking 163 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: about this today. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, 164 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: asdis need to come to their senses. They have committed 165 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: a humongous blunder very much. It's their own economic and 166 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: security interests as well as ours. Should the US freeze 167 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: out Saudi Arabia. Mr Chairman, as long as they're helping Russia, 168 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: even if indirectly. Listen, I think they need to turn 169 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: back around. But remember how we got here, and this 170 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: is you know, diplomacy has consequences, and we sometimes forget that. 171 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: The very fact that this administration stop supporting the Saudias 172 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: in their proxy fight against Iran and what the Houthi 173 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: rebel rebels was significant to them. The fact that they 174 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: are negotiating with Iran on a nuclear deal that all 175 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: of our arably partners say, what are you doing? Please 176 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: don't do it? Uh, And then the very fact of 177 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: this continued arm length lecturing, finger pointing. Listen, there's a 178 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: time to be really tough diplomatically and I and I'm 179 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: all in on that, and then there's a time to 180 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: be smart diplomatically. We need the Saudiast, and I argue 181 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: we need the Saudia is more than we need the Iranians. 182 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: And it would be a smart thing to do to 183 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: walk all of that back and say, listen, we're going 184 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: to give you some strategic help. You know, the geographic 185 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: region of the Saudi of the Saudiast is really important 186 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: to the United States, better an ally there than an enemy. 187 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: And they've marched down this path to ostracize the Saudiast 188 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: to the point where I think they have nowhere else 189 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: to go. We need to change that thinking also means 190 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: we ought to ramp up our own domestic production. If 191 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: we were energy independent, would you feel the same way. 192 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we would get we would have more leverage. 193 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: But again, remember the strategic area and what flows through there. 194 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: It is a significant economic zone through the canals and 195 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: all of that over uh in that region, and having 196 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: either Iran in Sun of the Arabia fighting is bad 197 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: for the world economy and our economy. The very fact 198 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: that they would, you know, continue these proxy fights in 199 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: and around the region is bad for our national security 200 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: and their national security. So we just need to align 201 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: our national security interests. Again, doesn't mean he can't be tough. 202 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you can't put your finger in the 203 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: chest sometimes, but right now we need to align it 204 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: to what the bigger strategic threats are to the United States, 205 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: and the way they're doing this, you're gonna shove this 206 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: out east right into the loving arms of the Russians 207 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: who have no morals. Former Congressman Mike Rogers, former chair 208 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, appreciate your insights 209 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: today on Bloomberg. Thanks again, come back and talk to 210 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: us soon. Yeah, we'll do. Thanks for having me fascinating 211 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: conversation that you're not going to hear anywhere else, and 212 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: that's what we do here on Bloomberg. I'm Joe, Matthew 213 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: and Washington. Thanks for joining us on the fastest hour 214 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: in politics. It's sound on and a lot more to 215 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: follow here. As Joe Biden weighs in on the idea 216 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, of Vladimir Putin being the rational actor 217 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: but also one with irrational thoughts. We're gonna get into 218 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: that with the panel next and see if this plan 219 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: for air defense is one that's gonna work. Rick Davis 220 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: will be with us Bloomberg Politics contributor and Republican strategist, 221 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: and Roger Fisk is back the Democratic analysts, strategist and 222 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: principle at New Day Strategy. We'll get their insights straight 223 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: ahead after we check traffic and markets for you. Glad 224 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: you came along on a Wednesday. I'm Joe Matthew. This 225 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew 226 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. President Biden weighs in on the war 227 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, his thoughts on Vladimir Putin, and of course 228 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: a lot of other issues and what was one of 229 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: the only sit down interviews that we have seen in 230 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: his presidency, sat down with Jake Tapper at CNN. We're 231 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: gonna go through some of this. That's where the rational 232 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: actor line came from. As we look to the future 233 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: here in this conflicts we welcome our panel. Rick Davis 234 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: is with US Republican strategist and of course Bloomberg Politics contributor, 235 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: now joined today by Roger Fisk, Democratic strategist principle at 236 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: New Day Strategy. Great to have both if you hear 237 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: and Roger, welcome back. It has been far too long. 238 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: Why don't we go back through this moment here as 239 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: we just discussed with Mike Rogers. As Jake Tapper asks 240 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: Joe Biden the question of the night, do you think 241 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: Putin is a rational actor? I think he is a 242 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: rational actor who's miscalculated significantly. He did stop to think 243 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: about that. Roger didn't seem like a rehearsed answer. Was 244 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: it the wrong answer? First off, Joe, thanks so much 245 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: for having me, and I very much enjoy being on 246 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: with Rick. I would of of the entire conversation. I 247 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: think we could safely put that one into the into 248 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: the bucket of of gaffe. I doubt that he intended 249 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: to go out there and say that. I kind of 250 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: I get what he's trying to say, which is to 251 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: say that, um that even even an unstable um international 252 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: vision of one's country can be um pursued by a 253 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: by a quote unquote rational actor. I think in in In. 254 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: In Putin's own mind, he regards himself as rational. UM. 255 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: But what we're seeing is is the kind of curdling 256 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: of those of that entire conflict and the most dangerous 257 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: thing to someone with the self regard, shall we say, 258 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: of Putin is international embarrassment. When I think that, I 259 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: think what we've seen just in the last forty eight 260 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: hours in terms of the barbarity is going to be 261 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: dialed up intensely. So even if he continues to be 262 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: um pushed back into Russia, um that he will dial 263 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: up the cruelty. Um. So, unfortunately, I have a feeling 264 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: that we have much more still ahead of us than 265 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: behind us. Rick was that President Biden's way of saying 266 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: that we should take him seriously just didn't come out 267 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: the way that maybe he wanted it to. Well, I 268 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: think the conclusion by most of the national security team 269 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: within the Biden administration, including Defense Department, is that that 270 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: that Putin is acting as a rational actor. Some of 271 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: the things he does seem irrational, but that that that know, 272 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: he's acting as a you know, sort of commander in 273 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: chief who's moving his chess pieces around and he's just 274 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: not having much success with the chess and and and 275 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: the reality is we have to act that way because 276 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: if he is irrational and he has nuclear weapons, it 277 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: poses a completely different dilemma. Uh. And so I think 278 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: that that the President was playing out his hand saying 279 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: he's rational, we expect him to act rationally and and 280 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: therefore the use of nuclear weapons, regardless of whether they're 281 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: a you know, water based, seed based weapon or a 282 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: tactical nuke. Uh, it's it's unacceptable, uh to the western world, 283 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: not just to the United States. I mean, you know, 284 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: in this case, the president speaks for the civilized world. 285 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: The companion question here, uh was about meeting with Vladimir Putin. Okay, 286 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: so if you think he's a rational character, would you 287 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: not sit down and meet with him? The answer was 288 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: interesting as well. Look, I have no intention I mean 289 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: with him. But for example, if you came to me 290 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: the G twenty and said I want to talk about 291 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: the release of Grinder, I live with him. I mean, 292 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: it would depend. He might have wanted to use her 293 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: first name, Roger, But that's actually a little bit warmer, 294 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: right he he actually might have thought about that question. Yeah, 295 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: And I think the president is is absolutely correct because 296 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: what what what Putin would want from that is just 297 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: the image the validation um and a lot of what 298 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: goes into diplomacy before something like that is most of 299 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: your leverage is before that moment, right, So, for example, 300 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: working with North Korea about something verification mechanisms and all 301 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: these other things that could lead into a head of 302 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: state meeting with another head of state. And so I 303 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: think he's absolutely spot on about that, and and more tactically, 304 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: having staffed a president out of G eight and things 305 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: like that or at a G twenty in this context. Nine, Um, 306 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: if it were as if it were as a a 307 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: microscopic situation that was to be discussed a specif of 308 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: an individual, a specific prescription drug, a specific vaccine, then 309 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: you could put it in that in that kind of bucket, 310 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: and and and somewhat decouple it from this larger dynamic. 311 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: But if it is just let's shake hands in front 312 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: of our country's flags kind of stuff, not gonna happen. Rick, 313 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: do you think he should make the point if it, 314 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: if it resulted in a prisoner swap or prisoner release, 315 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: make the point to meet with putin that would be 316 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: that would be quite a story, The images would be historic. Well, 317 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: I think you've got to be careful. I mean, you know, 318 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: I learned from John McCain who used to say, I'll 319 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: meet with anybody as long as they have my conditions 320 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: for the meeting, and and and it made total set right. Okay, 321 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: a condition space meeting? Is there a ceasefire in Ukraine? 322 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: Is there a exchange of prisoners there? I mean, like, 323 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that you could condition 324 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: a meeting with Vladimir Putin on that that would actually 325 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: be potentially attractive to Vladimir Putin to do, and then 326 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: create a better environment for that meeting. Um doesn't do 327 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: any good for the president to meet with this guy 328 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: while he's acting like a global thug, and so UH 329 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: it elevates Putin, It does not solve the problem. And 330 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: I think this was the mistake when UH Donald Trump 331 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: met with Kim Jong Il, and UH gave him a 332 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: platform that he could never have gotten from a president 333 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: United States and or anybody else who was a world leader. 334 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: So I think if you can create the right conditions 335 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: for a meeting, then I think a meeting has always 336 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: got to be on the table. But my guess is 337 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: UH Putin probably wouldn't accept whatever conditions would be reasonable 338 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: enough to be publicly accepted to have a meeting like that. 339 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: The White House still can't figure out why they haven't 340 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: heard back on this offer for a prisoner swap. We'll 341 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: keep talking with Rick Davis and Roger Fisk are panel 342 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: for today on Bloomberg. Sound on, as we turn to 343 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: the race in Georgia. Ahead, herschel Walker has decided to 344 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: sit down for an interview and begin cleaning up the mess. 345 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: Is that possible or did he just make it worse. 346 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk with political scientists Under Gillespie and our 347 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: panel about it. Ahead, this is Bloomberg. The event was 348 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: supposed to be a reset. You get Rick Scott, Tom Cotton, 349 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: both Republicans from the Senate. Rick Scott, of course part 350 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: of the leadership here to stump with herschel Walker actually 351 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: go to Georgia and get down to business. Is great 352 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: to be back in the state of Georgia. It's it's 353 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: especially good to be here with the next United States 354 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: Center from Georgia. There's no scandal, Tom Cotton, they're getting 355 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: the crowd rolling. Rick Scott spend time talking with them, 356 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: and then of course herschel Walker himself. Now, if you've 357 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: been living under a rock, you might not know about this. 358 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I have to give you the background 359 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: on this whole story. As the Senate Canada who opposes 360 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: abortion rights, has been hit with allegations that he paid 361 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: for a girlfriend to have the procedure, urged you to 362 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: have a second one, And now she's telling the Washington 363 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: Post she had to argue for him and begged him 364 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: to pay for it. Interesting backdrop to tell a story 365 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: like this one that herschel Walker has been telling on 366 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: the campaign trail. We actually talked about it here once, 367 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: the whole bull cow story. So I've been telling this 368 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: a little story about this bull light in the field 369 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: with six cows and three of them are pregnant, so 370 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: you know he got something going on. But all he 371 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: cared about it's kept his nose against the fence, looking 372 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: at three other cows that then blowing to him. Just 373 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: that would have would have been enough, I suspect, But 374 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we have to finish the story again, herschel Walker. 375 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: So one day he measured that fence up and he said, 376 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: I think I can jump this. So that day came 377 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: where he got back, and he got back and as 378 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: he took off running, he dove over that fence and 379 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: his bed that got cut up on it at bottom. 380 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: But as he made it over on the other side, 381 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: he shook it off and got so excited about it, 382 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: and he ran to the top of that hill. But 383 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: when he got up there he realized they were bulls too. 384 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: So what I'm telling you don't think something is better 385 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: somewhere else. I mean, if you could make up something better, 386 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: I'd play it. Sat down today with ABC News in 387 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: exclusive one on one to reinforce the denial, denial to 388 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: any knowledge of an abortion out there now lie la 389 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: la la. And you know what's sad about it that 390 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: he had well is it a receipt and had a 391 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: check and had all that he hadn't shown anything and 392 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: shown me having a saying something about an abortion. And 393 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: that's that's what's terrible. Let's bringing under Gillespie, Emory University 394 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: political science professor Ander What a time for us to 395 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: speak here. He's got a debate on Friday night. The 396 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: average of polls are real clear. Last I saw, I 397 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: had him down by five against Raphael Warnock. How would 398 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: you describe the state of the Walker campaign? I would 399 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: point out that based on the margin of error UM 400 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: and the confidence intervals of of these polls, that's still 401 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: statistically a tie in most of these instances, and so 402 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: this race is going to be very close. Um, it's 403 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: too close to call. There are two other candidates in 404 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: the race, and according to Georgia law, candidate has to 405 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: get plus one of the vote in order to avoid 406 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: a run off. So one we very likely could be 407 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: looking at a runoff election. UM, and to regardless of 408 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: who wins, we're looking at very narrow margins between Walker 409 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 1: and Warnock because of the competitive nature of Georgia politics. 410 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: Who cares about this story? Because I keep hearing from 411 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: Republicans that people in Georgia don't care that they're worried 412 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: about inflation, they're worried about crime, that it's people like 413 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: me and the media who are playing this stuff. How 414 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: is this actually resonating in your state. I think most 415 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: voters have already made their minds up about the race, 416 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: and the polling data shows that there are very few 417 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: undecided voters. But it's those undecided voters that could make 418 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: the difference between one of these candidates winning or losing 419 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: the race, and that's why these stories are most important. 420 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: I think the vast majority of voters are either really 421 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: strong Democrats are strong Republicans. They've made up their mind 422 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: about who they're going to vote for. There's a small 423 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: sliver of undecided voters, of independent voters who may be 424 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: still trying to gather more information. And this isn't the 425 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: type of information that the Walker campaign would want these 426 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: voters to have, because they may make a decision to 427 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: say that this, compounded with the other baggage that Welcome 428 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: brings to the table, maybe enough to disqualify him from 429 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: holding the seat. So what we're waiting for in the 430 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: general election is to see when how independence break. But 431 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: we're also going to look to see whether or not 432 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: there's actually going to be a drop off, if you will, 433 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: So there may be people who skip the Senate race, 434 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: choose to vote Republican down ticket and all the other races, 435 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: including the gubernatorial race. Um and if that happens, that 436 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: actually bolds well or that would actually probably build better 437 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: for Robe one than it was. Andrew, thank you so much. 438 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate your talking with us on Bloomberg Radio under 439 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: Gillespie at Emery University. You want to bring the panel 440 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: in on this quickly, Roger Fisk and Rick Davis Uh Roger, 441 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm guessing for starters you would tell the candidates to 442 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: not be telling that story. But does sitting down for 443 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: an interview in this day and age help well. To 444 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: his credit, the Old Testament does make numerous parallels between 445 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: shadow and women, so maybe that's what he's thinking about. 446 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: But now, I mean, this isn't This is an absolute 447 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: train wreck, and unfortunately for Mr Walker it joins eight 448 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: or ten other data points. Right. It's it's not just 449 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: an anomaly. Um. It seems as if we're living in 450 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: essentially a consequence free environment. UM, for especially folks on 451 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: the Republican side. I don't know what depths of conduct 452 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: um could could we could be lowered too and still 453 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: have people support them. What's really interesting for me to 454 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: add to the list of your very able guest of 455 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: just a moment ago is that Brian Camp has gone 456 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: radio silent on the Walker candidacy. So if all of 457 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: a sudden you have something as tight as your guests 458 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: just described, which I completely agree with, and then you 459 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: have a relatively popular Republican incumbent governor governor who is 460 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: um not seemingly willing to carry any water for his 461 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: own party's Senate nominee, that in and of itself could 462 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: make the difference. In addition to educated independent women who 463 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: are who split from the former president and um resulted 464 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: in not only him losing Georgia, but losing the two 465 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: Senate seats. Rick, we'll have some more time to hear 466 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this in a couple of minutes. But 467 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: but before we we turn to traffic and markets, would 468 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: you be spending time with herschel Walker preparing for this debate? 469 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, is that going to be a change maker 470 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: here in this campaign? Well, certainly a lot of people 471 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: are going to be curious, right, I mean, what he's 472 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: done is into a curiosity. But now he and only 473 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: he can extinguish they're gonna have a ratings record on 474 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 1: this thing. Hold that thought, Rick, I'm Joe Matthew. This 475 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. So long with Joe Matthew 476 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio, as we spend time with our panel. 477 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: Rick Davis is with us today along with Roger Fisk 478 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: and an eye on this race in Georgia just a 479 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: couple of days before their big debate, Hershall Walker and 480 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: Raphael Warnock Walker as we were just discussing, and we'll 481 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: hear again from the panel on this staff for an 482 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: interview today with ABC News, and it wasn't just the 483 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: denials that were important, it was also the level of emotion. Now, 484 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: remember here, this is this is a football players. He's 485 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: a tough guy, probably doesn't cry a lot on TV, 486 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: but they got there today. I'm not running because i 487 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: want to be a senator. I'm running because I'm sick 488 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: and tired. People have died, people can't. He called her 489 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: to people and Washington doing to people, and then they lie, 490 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: let's bringing Rick Davis and Roger Fiske. Rick. I'm not 491 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: sure this works or not, but somebody I'm assuming told 492 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: him it was okay to go there, that that that 493 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: he might want to do, uh, something more personal, more 494 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: emotional on camera. What do you think? Well, I'm pretty 495 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: confident that the people around him, uh really needed to 496 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: reset this campaign some reason. There are other senators coming 497 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: in from Washington, d ced try to change the narrative. 498 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: He desperately needs to get a narrative change, and so 499 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: I'm sure they walked him out thinking, you know, Brook, 500 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: this year one best jot to set the record straight 501 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: and try to reconnect with the people of Georgia. Um, Look, 502 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: these are hard, long campaigns. They create a lot of emotion. 503 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me that he became emotional because I 504 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: think he sees his life kind of being torn apart, 505 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: and whether it's accurate or not, his his life's in 506 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: the grinder. He's in the crucible, and it's his moment 507 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: and he's got to set it right. So the pressure 508 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: is enormous in those kinds of situations. Rick Scott again 509 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: was there in Georgia to stump with herschel Walker and 510 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: he was asked after that little scrum after he and 511 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: Tom Cotton about Raphael Warnock and about this whole scandal, 512 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: and was with his bothered and he turned right to 513 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: the opo on Warnock, listen to what he said ahead 514 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: of a church, and they kicked people out of the 515 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: church for being just a few dollars behind the writ. 516 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: Here's a guy that abused his wife. He didn't he 517 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: didn't stand up for anything. He's he's voted for abortion 518 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: up until the moment of birth, Rafael Warnock has. These 519 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: are pretty heavy accusations, Roger. I don't know if any 520 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: of them are true or not. I don't know if 521 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: this will will be U will be aired out in 522 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: the campaign, but you expect a lot more where that 523 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: came from sure about a reverend. I mean, you can 524 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: just feel the kind of projectile vomiting of like, let's 525 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: just send everything possible out of there. Uh um. And 526 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, Rick Scott Have, the person who I believe 527 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: it is paid one of the largest medicaid fraud finds 528 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: in history, is not necessarily not really someone to be 529 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: the traffic cop of morality and a lot of these things. 530 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: And you could tell in his voice is so hurried 531 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: and he's just trying to kind of machine gun this 532 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: stuff out. Um. And that's certainly no way to get 533 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: it to actually um to to stick at all. And 534 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: they're they're panicking. Um. It's far back as when I 535 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: first started to even just read news, let alone politics. 536 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: I always thought there was a fundamental kind of shall 537 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: we say insincerity to be polite about the moral majority 538 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: voting kind of movement. I always thought there was just 539 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: a core kind of fraudulence to it. And and lo 540 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: and behold, especially in the last five or six years, 541 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: we we see that it's it's all circumstantial, it's all transactional. Um. 542 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: There's an absolute vacuum of principle there, and it's all 543 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: about um getting the majority in the U. S. Senate 544 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: so that they can you know, move forward an agenda 545 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: that marginalizes women and increases tax cuts for the for 546 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: the wealthy. And you can see the panic as they 547 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: see that slipping away because they debate on Friday. I know. 548 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: And and what's the reverence job on Friday? The reverence job. 549 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: It's odd. It's a very very odd situation in the 550 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: last few years when it's become the Democrats to fault posture, 551 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: to be the adult in the room that that used 552 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: to be the province of our our friends across. But 553 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: you just let him do this to himself? Or does 554 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: the does does Warnock have to go on the warnoc 555 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: has to go in there and be a stable, sober 556 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: steward of civic and public life and dependable somewhere between 557 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: the forty yard lines of the American kind of ideological spectrum. 558 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: And uh and and and then just you know, when 559 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: the other guys digging, you know, just don't take away 560 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: his shovel, Okay? Is that the move here, Rick? Or 561 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: does Warnock need to go on the attack? Uh? You know, 562 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: I think Rogers got something to this notion that you've 563 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: got a guy like Rick Scott coming down there to 564 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: campaign for herschel Walker. I wouldn't. I wouldn't attack Rick Scott, 565 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: but like I would definitely if I were Raphael Warrant, 566 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: use the opportunity to say, hey, look these guys get 567 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: in power. Their agenda is take away your social security, 568 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: take away your welfare checks, take away your medicaid, make 569 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: you pay higher prices for drugs. And I mean, like, 570 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: this is his agenda, and I would I would stick 571 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: that right on herschel Walker and say you just campaigned 572 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: with him, You tell me you disagree with everything that 573 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: he's for. And I think he has to go on 574 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: the attack because the reality is it is a dead 575 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: heat and there's nothing guaranteed in this election, and we've 576 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: seen Georgia, you know, uh, be pretty rocky when it 577 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: comes to outcome. So I think sitting on at one 578 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: point lead is a disaster. Fisk and Davis with us 579 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: here for a couple of more moments our panel today. 580 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: I've got to talk about what's going on in Los Angeles, 581 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: because while this fire is burning for publicans in Georgia, 582 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: there's a real mess for some Democrats in l A. 583 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: This is sound from inside the l A City council chamber, 584 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: where three city councilors, including Council President Nouri Martinez, were 585 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: caught on tape making crude and racist remarks about, among 586 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: other things, the black son of another council member named 587 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: Mike Boner speak they chance as one of the three 588 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: council members, not the council president, walked out onto the panel. Here. 589 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: President Biden has called for all three to resign. Now, 590 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with the story, the l A 591 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: Times was out with this leaked tape of Nouri Martinez 592 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: again as the council president, who is now taking a 593 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: leave of absence, talking with these two other counselors, the 594 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: black and brown on the floor, and then there's the 595 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: white guy with the little black hid with risky hate. 596 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: It's I mean you have no Yeah, there are doing 597 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: the kids bouncing off the wall on the floating it over. 598 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: There's nothing able to go to control him. Yeah, that 599 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: was translation little monkey she said at the end. There again, 600 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: that white guy is Counselor Mike Bonnen, who is a gay, 601 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: white man who adopted this black child, and he made 602 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: a remarkable and emotional address to the council. There are 603 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are now asking for forgiveness, 604 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: and and asking for forgiveness is a good first step, 605 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: but well it's the second step because first first you 606 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: must resign and then asked her for getting This speech 607 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: lasted over ten minutes, it was emotional. You can hear 608 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: how involved the people were there. Uh to think that 609 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: this has gone all the way to the White House. 610 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: Roger President Biden, according to Karine, Jean Pierre, thinks all 611 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: should resign. You agree, I do think they should resign. Um. 612 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: I would hesitate about getting the White House involved only 613 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: because they're probably asked to intervene in fifteen or twenty 614 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: of these things a month in some form or another. 615 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: And you can think back early in the Obama administration 616 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: about Professor Gates at Harvard and the police officer and 617 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: Cambridge Mass and then they ended up doing this kind 618 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: of clumsy beer or somethingthings. You get into these kind 619 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: of um microscopic, kind of singular situations, and they they're 620 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: gonna have to turn around. The White House is going 621 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: to have to decline to get involved in twenty or 622 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: thirty or fifty or a hundred other situations like that. 623 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: So tactically I would have recommended that they not get 624 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: involved and let this play out based on the rules 625 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: and the code of conduct of the Los Angeles City Council. 626 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: But for my money, UM, based on who these folks 627 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: are and the tinder box that Los Angeles is and 628 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: the responsibility that they have, they should really take a 629 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: hard look at themselves and step down. It's a pretty 630 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: major scandal for the city, Rick, but it's actually made 631 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: international news. Should the White House even be weighing in 632 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: on this, Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't suggest the White 633 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: House get involved in something like this. I mean, you 634 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: could be cute and say, well, Gavin Newsom wants to 635 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: be president, let him handle it, But that's just just me. Um. 636 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: It's just one of these very nasty, sad uh situations 637 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: where you know, unfortunately in politics, especially local politics, sometimes 638 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: really bad people say really bad things, and the community 639 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: there is going to fix the problem, you can be 640 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: sure of that, uh and uh and and they'll get 641 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: their ounce of flesh out of these people. But to 642 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: to to make this more than it really is. I know, 643 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: this is the social media world we live in now, 644 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: and you know, everything is everything local is international. But 645 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: in this case, I think these are best handled by 646 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: the community that's affected directly by them attempt to do this. 647 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: I've got one more for both of you, and it 648 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: brings us to Pennsylvania, where a very importan and senate 649 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: races underway. And John Feederman, the Democratic Lieutenant governor, of course, 650 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,959 Speaker 1: had a stroke and we've talked on this program about 651 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: the back and forth about his health with Dr Oz 652 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: But he sat for an interview. Uh this was with 653 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: NBC News, and he had to use a closed caption 654 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: to to fully understand the questions he was being asked. 655 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: In his words, here that auditory processing where I'll hear 656 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: someone speaking, but sometimes will be it will be precise 657 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: and what exactly that they're saying. I use captioning. He 658 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: did have to slow down a couple of times correct himself. 659 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: He's clearly not fully recovered here. We only have about 660 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: a minute left. Rogers, Is this a liability or something that, 661 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 1: in the words of Senator Bob Casey, he could use 662 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: to his benefit in what is now a world that's 663 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: much more sympathetic to people with disability. Ultimately, people ask himself, 664 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: is this person who they say they are? And they 665 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: can they can look at his time as mayor of Braddock. 666 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: They can look at his time as a lieutenant governor 667 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: and know that this is not a condition that he's 668 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: had all this time, right, And so I think they 669 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: can factor that into him encountering a particular stumble in 670 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: his health. And you the reflective surface of that is 671 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: the his his opponent, you know who. It's not coming 672 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: off as genuine or authentic. So in a sense, I 673 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: think it can cut relatively well for him. Do you 674 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: agree with that, Rick, You've been down this road before 675 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: with the candidate's health. Was at the right time for 676 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: that conversation? Yeah, you know, I've read the reporting on it, 677 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: and then I was really disturbed by it. Right, Wow, 678 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: can the guy actually campaign? Can he do a debate? 679 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: Can he can he do the functions of the office. 680 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: And then I watched the interview, I thought, are he's 681 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: doing fine? Rick Davis, Roger Fisk, what a great talk, 682 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: great panel. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg