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Speaker 1: Clo and welcome to cool people who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: You're twice weekly reminder that despite all the horrible ship

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Speaker 1: in the world, we can try and do what's right.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me today is

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Speaker 1: my guests now from Yellow Peril Tactical. So how are

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Speaker 1: you doing? I am doing okay. I haven't had a

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Speaker 1: day off since last Sunday, but I am hanging in there.

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Speaker 1: Those dudes do seem like contradictory statements. Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 1: like baby yea. For those who have never heard of

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Speaker 1: your work with YPT Yellow Parel Tactical, how would you

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Speaker 1: sum it up? We are eight tigers in a trench coat, Okay,

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Speaker 1: but truly we are nowhere more than eight. I think

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Speaker 1: we're at like eleven now actually, um, but we're a

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Speaker 1: group of leftist Asian Americans who fly the same flag

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Speaker 1: of anti authoritarianism. Some of us are anarchists. I think

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Speaker 1: most of us are, um if we do decide to

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Speaker 1: have a singular ideology, but we mostly focus on firearms education,

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Speaker 1: political education, and the occasional ship post as a treat. Awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I believe it was your ship posting is how I

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Speaker 1: first came in range of tactics. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And

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Speaker 1: so our producer playing the role the voice of God

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Speaker 1: is Sophie. Sophie, how are you? I'm all Margaret, thank

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Speaker 1: you for asking. Well, of course, I mean we also

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Speaker 1: spent like a while before we started recording talking about it.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted everyone else to know that you're doing well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're friends. Yeah, never let anyone say otherwise. Snow is

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Speaker 1: like you two hate each other, sworn enemies. No I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't even like, I can't even joke about it,

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Speaker 1: like my feelings. I know our audio engineers Ian and

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Speaker 1: the theme music was written for us by a woman.

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Speaker 1: So Snow, we're talking about well, okay, before I started

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Speaker 1: talking about what we're gonna talk about. So what we're

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Speaker 1: not talking about? I have you ever heard of the

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Speaker 1: Second Indo China War aka the Vietnam War AKA the

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Speaker 1: some total of what white Americans know about the country Vietnam?

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Speaker 1: You know, I just see these like old white dudes

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Speaker 1: all I know about it. Not my family escaped from

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Speaker 1: a war torn country or anything like that. Yeah, exactly. Um,

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Speaker 1: since you don't have any context, not let me um.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about the Second Indo China

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Speaker 1: War today. Maybe one day we'll talk about some of

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Speaker 1: what happened, but it's not gonna be today or Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: It's not even gonna be this week at all, because

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Speaker 1: this week we're going to talk about a century of

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Speaker 1: about as much, and we're gonna talk about, in particular,

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Speaker 1: the various communists and others who fought like hell in

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Speaker 1: the He's of the nineteen forties who were fighting for

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Speaker 1: a bottom up communist society instead of the bottom down

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Speaker 1: one that eventually won. And we are going to trace

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Speaker 1: it through the eyes of a guy named no Von

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Speaker 1: who's one of the only people who lived through all

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Speaker 1: of his friends who survived. He's sort of this week's

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Speaker 1: basically the Vietnamese people broadly, who just kicked the ship

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Speaker 1: why people funk with Vietnamese people. Know, it seems like

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Speaker 1: some some murdered Catholics. Okay, I'll wait, I'll wait. Yeah, yeah, okay, so,

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Speaker 1: and there's actually some advantages to all of this war

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Speaker 1: in this case, the TNDWA the heaven in our society,

425
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: they also robbed people and become pirates and trying and

426
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: overthrow the government to bring back the Ming dynasty in China. Jesus, Okay,

427
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm still here. I'm still with you. Yeah, this society

428
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: has lasted until today. It has probably around three hundred

429
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: thousand members worldwide. And yeah, it's their iconography that inspired

430
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: the British to call or all organized crime in China

431
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: and the Triads. However, the modern day Hongmen are not

432
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: the Triad. They're a separate organization. And I think I'm

433
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: not even like putting like air quotes around this. I

434
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: think they just like actually completely separate organization. But more

435
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: importantly to our story, they were operating in South Vietnam

436
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: in the eighteen eighties where there was this large and

437
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: politically influential Chinese population, right mostly their refugees from when

438
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: the Ching dynasty took over a couple hundred years earlier,

439
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: which is what they were. You know. The whole thing

440
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: was they wanted to bring back the Ming dynasty and

441
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 1: get rid of the Ching dynasty. A bunch of them

442
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: more pirates, a bunch of them are Ming loyalists, loyalists

443
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: and exile. They're super fighty, and they brought with them

444
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: the tnd WE and they were not treated great by

445
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: the new and dynasty by the time the French showed up,

446
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: so first they cautiously allied with the French. This will

447
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: come up a lot too. Basically, Um, if you treat

448
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: everyone like shop and murder them. People look for reasons

449
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: to try and depose you, even even like foreign powers.

450
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: I think I read that on a mug once. Yeah yeah, actually, um,

451
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: that's a mug that you all produce as the Yellow

452
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: Peril tactical. I'm going to give you all merch ideas

453
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: instead of us anyway. But the French didn't like them.

454
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: They like, hey, hey, yeah, we we hate the Nean

455
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: dynasty too, want want you help us out? In? The

456
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: French were like, oh god no a French colonial assholes

457
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: basically said, they come and go without ceases their business demands.

458
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: They smoke opium, they gamble and they fight. It sounds

459
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: like a good time. Why are they hating because it's

460
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: they're not being properly conquered. Oh okay, my bad. Yeah no,

461
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: it's like is it the French had just come over

462
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: to like slum it or whatever, it would have been

463
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: a very different world. Okay, got you. It was hard

464
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: to get to them to agree to rules and government

465
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: because they already had rules and government that they already

466
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: don't like of their own. I think the French went

467
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: about trying to force them to be good citizens anyone

468
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: without papers was considered a quote vagabond and endangering public security,

469
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: which is goals. Well, did they offer them many bag

470
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: yetts at this point? I'm not sure that is probably

471
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: how they could have won them over, or maybe like

472
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: some condensed milk or something, because like I don't know,

473
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: maybe that could have helped. It could maybe maybe they

474
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: fought a lot because they had upset stomachs. That would

475
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: make me do a war. Yeah. Yeah, So whenever anyone

476
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: who was called without papers would get deported out of Vietnam,

477
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: even if their family have been there for you know,

478
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: hundreds years or whatever, this is a completely unfamiliar um

479
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: concept and problem to the modern audience. Yeah, that's an

480
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: old issue that doesn't happen anymore. So they started resisting

481
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: all of that. They refused to show up to surveys

482
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: and sentences and ship they refused to pay taxes to

483
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: the French, and they just went without documentation despite the risks.

484
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: It helped that all the locally appointed congregation heads, the

485
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: local people weren' put in charge by the French. They

486
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: just didn't comply with the French either, So when people

487
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: got deported, they just came right back. Yeah. Yeah, and

488
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't like these this. The Chinese immigrant population wasn't

489
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: all of the Heaven and Earth society. And until all

490
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: this ship starts happening, and then having in earth society

491
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: is like, yo, what's up? I'll sign up entire villages

492
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: at a time. They would like show up and be like,

493
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 1: all right, y'all want to join the secret society. We're

494
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: gonna fight the French, and people like, yes, I do.

495
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: Having on Earth here we go. Chinese and Vietnamese folks

496
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: alike in this area, according to French colonial papers, and

497
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: their motives ran the gamut. Some people were into the

498
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: community and taking care of each other. Other people were

499
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: in for the crime and the violence. Other people were

500
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: in France like colonialism, and they started sucking up the French.

501
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: And in this case it was real bad for the

502
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: French because I don't know if you knew this, organized

503
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: crime sometimes runs drugs. Oh I heard that once? Yeah, yeah,

504
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't mean to slander crime, but sometimes crime relates

505
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: to drugs. In this case, the tnd we UM ran

506
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: the opium farms of South Vietnam, which was the biggest

507
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: crash cash crop in South Vietnam. So of course the

508
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: French wanted to stop the opium. Now I'm just kidding.

509
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: They wanted to control the opium. Yeah, they wanted in

510
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: on that. They wanted to cut. Yeah, they want all

511
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: of it. They didn't want to cut. I'm willing to

512
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: bet when they showed up, I bet you they were like, yeah,

513
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: we don't like the government either. Yeah, you can be

514
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: in charge. We'll give you a ten percent. And the

515
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: French was like all of it, and they were like,

516
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: I guess it's a war. Yeah we yeah, so the

517
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: TN we they fought them and they organized just fucking

518
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: tons of riots. It was like one of their main things.

519
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: This eventually turns into armed revolt. They start controlling entire

520
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: areas I know from eighteen eighty eight eighty two before

521
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: the French eventually broke them. Unfortunately, the way the French

522
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: broke them was that they went to the rich people

523
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: who were part of them and find them and just

524
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: find the ship out of them. And people were like,

525
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose all my money, so I'm

526
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna back the government. Classic they didn't go away.

527
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: In eighty four, they assassinated a colonial collaborator who how

528
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't wucky no, because I discovered this thread in

529
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: the story just a moment ago, and the book that

530
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: talks about it is an available in e book just print,

531
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't get it in time. And I'm so

532
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: sad because I wanted to talk to you so much

533
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: more about organized crime in South Vietnam resisting French. But

534
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: they're cool. I ordered the book. I hope at some

535
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: point I get to talk about them again. Yeah, we

536
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: could do a part three. Yeah, yeah, we should do that. Okay,

537
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: So the French one again, the Khan Boon movement was crushed.

538
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: It's it's last members were guerilla armies in the hills

539
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: who did amazing and badass ship but by it was

540
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: pretty much over. The Sino Japanese War between China and

541
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Japan broke out in so China stopped helping out with

542
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: supply lines because they were helping people resist the French. Um.

543
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: But now they're friends of the French, or rather they're

544
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: at peace of the French, and they don't want to

545
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: piss them off. So this is a pattern that's going

546
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: to repeat. Foreign help is fickle. French had all three

547
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: parts of Vietnam plus Cambodia. They formed into one colonial country.

548
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: They didn't want to call it Vietnam. They wanted to

549
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: call it French Indo China. So they did a colonialism.

550
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: They extracted resources and as you pointed out, they were like, look,

551
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: we're helping with infrastructure, which was used to extract more

552
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: resources and people kept fighting. That's pretty much going to

553
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: be the like at the end of every given trunk

554
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: with like oh and then they were defeated, but they

555
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: kept fighting, but they kept on going. Yeah, the political

556
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: lines yet really complicated. There's not two sides. Some of

557
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: the revolutionaries are really into European Enlightenment values and do

558
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: things like set up schools to teach people to write

559
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Vietnamese and Latin script, only to have the French shut

560
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: them down because of their revolutionaries. Even though they're trying

561
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: to basically like westernize Vietnam, they're like doing it because

562
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, we love the French. They have

563
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: that whole revolution and equality and freedom thing, and French

564
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: is like, no, no, no, I don't understand. That's like,

565
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: that's that's for us, that's our thing. Yeah, you have

566
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: your own thing, Um, you know things being ruled by

567
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: the French. Isn't that cool? We all have things. So

568
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: the French also then at this point turned on the Catholics,

569
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: afraid that the missionaries of too much power. Wait what Yeah,

570
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't find out more about this part, and I

571
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: want to know more about it. But at this point,

572
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing it's this classic thing and I don't know,

573
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: this is my conjecture. I'm guessing it's this classic thing

574
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: where Western powers don't actually like Catholics because Catholics um

575
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: have dual loyalty to Rome as well as to any

576
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: given country. That's that's my best guess. But at this

577
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: point the French are like, look, you useful idiots paved

578
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: the way for us to come in and conquer, but

579
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: you can't like keep having power, you know. And other

580
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: other radicals are drawing from Japanese leftism. One feudal lord

581
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: in Tonkin, the north of the country. His name is

582
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: swang haa tem He held out for thirty years having

583
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: been granted territory by the French because he like seized

584
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: it and he kept fighting them and eventually they're like, uh, okay,

585
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: you can have that little chunk over there, and he's like, okay,

586
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: I'll take that little chunk over there, but he serves

587
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: as a symbol of resistance because he's this one little

588
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: part of unconquered Tonkin, and they slowly, like piecemeal kind

589
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: of like fight him and take away more of a ship.

590
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: But he's like, I mean, I'm sure to the people

591
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: who live there who didn't have to then become French

592
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: were still grateful, right, but like, overall, his importance here

593
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: is is as a symbol of like the unconquered, the

594
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: one warlord left. Basically, he was part of a plot

595
00:34:53,160 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: in En eight to poison an entire garrison of French soldiers. Right, Okay,

596
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: but there's something I've learned from history. Mass poison plots.

597
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they work. No. I know that the

598
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: Gallianus tried it in the US at some point. I

599
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: know that the ship the Jonestown. Oh well, actually that

600
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: did work. But all right, well, what is it the

601
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: the raj Nischi in Oregon, they tried to poison the

602
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: salad barsh really yeah, a country wild. Yeah, So this

603
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: mass poison plot didn't work. The cooks mixed deter a

604
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: poison into the food at a party for all the

605
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: French soldiers, and it knocked out two hundred of them

606
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: and didn't kill any of them. I think it's just

607
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: really hard to get the dosage right, especially if they

608
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: don't take the same serving. Yeah. Yeah, totally. So they

609
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: didn't kill anyone, and then they had them all knocked out.

610
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: They only two of them knocked out. Oh okay, okay, yeah, no.

611
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: So their plan was to basically like it was going

612
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: to be this revolt by all of these quote unquote

613
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: French soldiers were Vietnamese, like the local soldiers. They were

614
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: going to kill all the French soldiers and like take

615
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: over and they were going to help this warlord guy,

616
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: the um Hwanga tim come in and and retake it all.

617
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: But they didn't knock out enough of them, and they

618
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: didn't kill enough of them, and it was just basically

619
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: was like some cooks and then they like you're at

620
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: a party and you're like, all, we're gonna kill all

621
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: these people, and then you knocked two hundred of them out.

622
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: You're not gonna like walk out all six of you

623
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: and be like ha, start stabbing the unconscious people. Okay, okay,

624
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: fair enough, fair enough. This is the only time I

625
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: have found proof if so far my reading. I'm sure

626
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: other people know this and I don't that the Catholics

627
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: were part of the Vietnamese resistance because at least one

628
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: of the cooks was Catholic and he went to he

629
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: went to confession. I fucking knew you were going there.

630
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean, what even sin is that?

631
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: Technically it's not coming anybody, he's not cursing anybody, he's

632
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: not using the Lord's name in vain. I know, I

633
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: see no since committed here. I know. I think Jesus

634
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: would approve. You know, I don't have a strong counterpoint

635
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: to that. I bet after eight years of watching his

636
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: like weird peace and love, I want to hang out

637
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: with sex workers and thieves, get turned into like all

638
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: of this ship. Yeah, I bet he would want to

639
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: do more than like beat the money lenders or whatever.

640
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: But so this Catholic feels guilty and he goes and

641
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: he tells the priest. He goes into a little snitch

642
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: box in the snitch church, and the priest tells the government,

643
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: and the whole thing falls apart. Oh my god. Yeah,

644
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: but it is evidence that the Catholics were part of

645
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: the resistance against the French. One time, yeah, one time,

646
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: but not exactly exactly. We were just like straight up,

647
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, I don't want to say we

648
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't know. Eventually, Howong Hot Tem

649
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: gets assassinated by one of his own guys who's a

650
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: black flag army dude who's sold out the resistance and

651
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: started working for the French and then the communist center

652
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: of the scene. But you know what else is communism? Well, actually,

653
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean buying and selling products and services was a

654
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: big part of state capitalism. So by some standards advertising,

655
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what would the role be of advertising

656
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: in a good and healthy, anti capitalist society, that's my question. Yeah,

657
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: I think, um, lots of flyers with all texts on

658
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: where to get free hot soup and um, where to

659
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: have puppy therapy. Okay, so if we can we get

660
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: those sponsors free hot soup and puppy therapy, those are

661
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: our only sponsors and anything else is a mistake. Okay,

662
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: and we're back. We're back, just like communism is back

663
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties in Vietnama. Baby wow, because it

664
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: didn't really come back, it kind of entered for the

665
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: first time in v already heard about this is this

666
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: thing that happened in the world UH called the Russian Revolution.

667
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: I heard about that, Yeah, I watched the movie Anastasia

668
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I watched the movie Reds

669
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: before I had any idea of any context of anything

670
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: about what I saw, and I don't remember anything about

671
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: it except that it took two VHS tapes in seventeen

672
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: communists of all sorts out of revolution in Russia. And

673
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: then the Bolsheviks went around and murdered everyone who wasn't

674
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: willing to be specifically Bolshevik, which led to a civil

675
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: war that we will talk about on some episode at

676
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: some point. And eventually the Bolsheviks won, and this mattered

677
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: a lot by resistance to colonization of Vietnam, French end

678
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: of China took more and more of a communist turn.

679
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: This gets, I believe, exaggerated by history, since eventually communists win,

680
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: and then therefore they're like, all of the resistance was communist.

681
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: And then you go through and you're like, except for

682
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: this group in this group, and this group in this

683
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: group in this group, like and it's usually the list

684
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: of all the people that the UH vietmain eventually murder.

685
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: But now we get to introduced this week's main character,

686
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 1: shortly before the end of the first episode, No von

687
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: One thing to know about him is that I'm not

688
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: reading history books about him. I'm reading a memoir by

689
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: him and so yeah, and and it means he survives, uh.

690
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: And it also means that the contextual information that I

691
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: have about him is coming from him and his friends.

692
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of bias and what I'm gonna

693
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: be talking about. And I talked with one of my

694
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: friends who knows a lot more about this topic than me,

695
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: about like how I was going to try and present

696
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: this particular thing, because like, I'm basically telling a story

697
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: about bottom up communist getting murdered by top down communists.

698
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: But that said, I'm not trying to specifically be like, well,

699
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: No Vaughan was very clear that he did not like

700
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: Ho chi Men because Ho Chiman went around and murdered

701
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: all of his friends. But there's still something about the

702
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: Vietmain's resistance and the Vietcong's resistance to the French and

703
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: the Americans that I think is like worth celebrating, and

704
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: so like it's a it's a I'm gonna try and

705
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: spread this needle. Yeah, And I'm probably gonna fail. Well,

706
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, war is ugly. Yeah, nobody really wins. Yeah, totally.

707
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: And but you know, I share this guy's bias. I

708
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: don't like authoritarian communism, and neither did no Von. I

709
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: don't share his exact politics. He was a Trotskyist most

710
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: during all of the stuff that we'll be talking about.

711
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: That said no Von. He was born in twelve and

712
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: Tan Low, a village near what's now ho Chiuman City,

713
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: but was then Saigon, which is in the south of

714
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: the country. At the time, Saigon was the capital French

715
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: end of China, and it is now the biggest city

716
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: in Vietnam. Despite various official religions coming through Vietnam over

717
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: the course of the centuries, indigenous beliefs, usually summed up

718
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: as animism or ancestor worship, have held on pretty strong,

719
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: especially a hundred years ago. And his village was on

720
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: some cool ship. One of the results of that and

721
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: the colonial administration is that since a lot of okay,

722
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: there's a lot of infants die, why announced a kid's

723
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: birth until you know that they're not just gonna die,

724
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: right me, which means you would have to deal with

725
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: the colonial paperwork twice. So legally, he was born in

726
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: a nine when he was about six months old. So

727
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: you'll see some sources say he was born in nineteen thirteen,

728
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: and that's what his official paperwork says. But he's very

729
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: clear he was born in nineteen twelve, and he doesn't

730
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: actually know when because they didn't bother registering the birth

731
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: until he figured out that he wasn't about to die.

732
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: His mother was the village midwife, and she cut her

733
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: own umbilical core of the sharp piece of bamboo. Bark.

734
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. I know she's fucking hard. She's like metal.

735
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: She's like, actually my favorite character in this whole story.

736
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: I have like a hangnail and I'm like, yeah, no,

737
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: uh no. His mother, who I actually don't believe gets named,

738
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: she's fucking hard as fuck. She makes most of her

739
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: money making hassett of palm fronds and selling them to

740
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: local peasants for basically nothing. And he's his childhood home

741
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: is in the jungle. He and his siblings would catch

742
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: and raise owls and feed them, like keep them in

743
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: the houses pets, and then like feed them frogs and

744
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: ship like that. That's so cute. I know, I know.

745
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: I was lay in his owl. I was like actually

746
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. I was like, because he includes

747
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: a lot of details like this about like growing up

748
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: and like riding buffalo and like how he was so

749
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: jealous of the neighbors who had a horse or whatever.

750
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: And I've been trying to figure out how to like

751
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: point out that this person had to like upbringing that

752
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: is very different than like a Western upbringing without trying

753
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: to like exoticize being like you know, but but it's

754
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: it's it's fucking interesting, and it like, it's also fucking

755
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: interesting because because he ends up involved in these political

756
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: things that usually gets seen as like Western leftist, like

757
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: Western ideologies, and so it's like, I think worth understanding

758
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: that someone who like grew up very different than like

759
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: a white Westerner would have was still involved in these things.

760
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, That's where I landed. Mostly, I was like,

761
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: holy shit, he kept owls in this house. That's so

762
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: fucking cute. They were peasants, but his dad was literate

763
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: and his brother taught him how to read. He was

764
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: the youngest of twelve, so in traditional sty all they

765
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: referred to themselves as their birth order. He was brother

766
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: thirteen because the first born is born is named two

767
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: and not one, because they're trying to fool the evil

768
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: spirits to not carry off the firstborn Mum, and you

769
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: and I think about half of his siblings had like

770
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: actually like lived long enough to have names and like

771
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: survived infancy, you know, so you know, he's the youngest

772
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: of twelve, he's like one of seven or whatever. So

773
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: by anyway, whatever, I'm just got lost thinking about how

774
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: hard that would have to be for the mom. Yeah,

775
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: a lot of my grandma's siblings would have been born

776
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: around this time, and a lot of them died in

777
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: the famine. Okay, yeah, yeah, um is at the end

778
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: of World War two famine. Yeah, but a lot of

779
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: them just died because yeah, ship so totally. So it's

780
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: raised in this village. The village yourself was governed. I

781
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: don't know if it was specifically ruled, but it was

782
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: governed by a council of notables, basically people who are

783
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: trusted to make good decisions. Unfortunately, this is the colonial era,

784
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: so they're also entrusted to enforce all the French bullshit,

785
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: specifically the compituit capgitation capitate attacks mhm, the tax that

786
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: is a flat tax for every person, regardless of income,

787
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: which is totally fair, yeah, because it forces people into

788
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: the money economy. So all of these people who are like,

789
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: we're part of the fucking money economy, and all of

790
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: a sudden they have to come up with all this.

791
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's about a month's worth of wages every

792
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: year for like a decently successful laborer, and it fox

793
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: over poor people in general. Rich people barely even notice it.

794
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: The village communal hall had a cell in the back

795
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 1: for prisoners, which was just people who didn't pay their tax.

796
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: The year after he's legally born, nine fourteen, world War

797
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: One breaks out and Frances like, man, we need um,

798
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: we need some living people to turn into dead people.

799
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: I know Vietnam they went around and quote unquote drafted

800
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: young men by and I think this symbolism is worth noting.

801
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: Young men were literally tied to poles like you see

802
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: in those like racist movies about savages and the South

803
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: Pacific or whatever. Like the people doing that in this

804
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: story are the fucking French, and they're going around and

805
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: drafting people by tying them into poles and marching them

806
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: out of the jungle to go fight and die for France.

807
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Van's brother narrowly escaped kidnapping had to go into hiding.

808
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: But the Vietnamese people, the ones who don't want to

809
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 1: be ruled, they also don't want to be drafted. Yeah right,

810
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: they're not afraid of fighting. Yeah, listen, we're not scared. Yeah,

811
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: we just don't like you. Yeah. In nineteen sixteen, they

812
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: rose up with fucking machetes and swords and a handful

813
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: of rifles. Oh that's so hot, I know. And even

814
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: the combining of the machetes and swords is so fucking sick. Yeah.

815
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: Very also like what's the word um symbolic? Yeah, totally,

816
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: they rescued their kidnapped friends. They would like storm the

817
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: halls where the drafted men would be kept, who would

818
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: then join the crowd because again, not afraid of fighting.

819
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: The rebellion spread across all of coach In China, the

820
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: Southern province, and it wasn't put down until eventually. The

821
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: last big fight of it was a crowd of three

822
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: hundred people stormed the Central prison and Saigon and they

823
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: used swords to cut down the guards, but eventually they

824
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: were overwhelmed. This led to a d fifty arrests, thirty

825
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: eight executions, and the rest of at least these arrests

826
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: were sent to a penal colony on a nearby island,

827
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 1: which is still used as a penal colony and terrible

828
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: conditions today by the intensively socialist government. And all of

829
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: this was organized by the secret societies throughout the countryside

830
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: and specifically a bunch of religious sects. A crackdown followed

831
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: this leads a thousand more arrests. Von didn't see any

832
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: of that because he was like fucking four years old,

833
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: but that was the era of repression that he grew

834
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: up in. At one point, his brother was arrested because

835
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: their dad was bootlegging rice liquor in the woods, which

836
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: he literally only did because he needed to make offerings

837
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: to their ancestors, um since the commercially available liquor was

838
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: too shitty to offer up to people you actually care about,

839
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: like your ancestors. So they show up and Dad's like

840
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: kind of old and sick, so they steal Vaughan's brother.

841
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: As punishment for dad's crimes, Mom has to borrow jewelry

842
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: from extended family upon it to get him back. At

843
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: some point, Dad takes the handle off of his machete

844
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: in order to like be seen to be armed. Um,

845
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: and so he has to go around and do his

846
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: fucking work with a handle this machete. Yeah. Von Star

847
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: school at the age of seven in the village, alongside

848
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: thirty other kids. He was a smart kid. At ten,

849
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: he started going to a nicer school a little bit

850
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: further away, and he showed a lot of promise and

851
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: a lot of teachers pulled a lot of strings to

852
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: get him a higher education and put him into They

853
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: put him into scholarship competitions, whereupon he lost and did

854
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: not get to continue his education because the people who

855
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: was competing against were rich and we're bribing the judges

856
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: something also that doesn't happen anymore. When he was fourteen,

857
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: he moved into Saigon looking for work. Originally he moved

858
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: into Saigon looking for to keep applying himself to education.

859
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: But um, his mom had to pay his rent and

860
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: it was very hard on the family, and so he

861
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: was like, fuck this, I'm gonna I'm gonna go work instead.

862
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: And when he moves there a Segon, the city has

863
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: awash with revolutionary unrest, and you've got a bunch of

864
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: different fucking things all coming together, and like, I'm gonna like,

865
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: there's this like one day where three different leaders and

866
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: all their followers with very different ideologies but all anti

867
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: French are kind of coming together. You've got this pacifist

868
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: nationalist leader uh Fan Chu Trin who had just died

869
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: of tuberculosis, which is not everyone's been waiting for me

870
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: to say tuberculosis. So here we are the first death

871
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: of tuberculosis. This guy was interesting. He had been fighting

872
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: for decades for Vietnamese independence from both monarchy and colonialism,

873
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: but he believed that the French could be used to

874
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: further progress, like towards a republic in a way towards

875
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: away from monarchy. He had slogans like this is really

876
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: catchy slogan. I think that people should still use it.

877
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: Making use of the French in the name of progress.

878
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: That's catchy. I know. Um and his ideas were basically

879
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: and this was not actually this is a paraphrasing, asked

880
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: the French to live up to their own purported values. Oh,

881
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: which means that he got arrested and since to death

882
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: commune his life in prison and spent the last fifteen

883
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: years of his life in exile. Okay, wow, all right,

884
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: I took a dark turn yeah, because and this is

885
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: the most like he's like a pacifist nationalist who's like,

886
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: we want what you have, and they're like death. Another

887
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: radical leader was coming to town. I'm gonna put radical

888
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: in quotes here, but you know what, by the standards

889
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: of the day, Yeah, his name is Buoie Concio, and

890
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: he's even more boring. He was the head of the

891
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: Constitutionalist Party, which wanted slightly more reforms, specifically for rich

892
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: Vietnamese people, like voting rights for the wealthy. He did

893
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: not want independence from France and he um yeah, he

894
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: also didn't want poor people to be able to vote.

895
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: Like he was like, I don't like this guy. No,

896
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he sucks so much. Um, but he's so

897
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: radical that when he shows up, all the French colonial

898
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: people like protest his arrival. What he is that's slow?

899
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: The bar is oh my god. He's like, what if

900
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: it was slightly less bad, specifically for the richest Vietnamese people,

901
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: And people are like, WHOA, get out of your that

902
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 1: crazy shit, fuck you? Oh my god. Finally a third

903
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: person was on people's minds at this point. This guy

904
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: was actually cool New yon On Nin and he was

905
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: a lefty journalist who had just been arrested for running

906
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: a newspaper. Mass protests filled the streets and anger at

907
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: his arrest and Um he'd actually he'd like turned down.

908
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: The French were like, oh, you're like smart, intellectual, you

909
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: want to like get a position in the colonial government,

910
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: will like hold you up as a figurehead. He was like, no, no,

911
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna instead dedicate my entire life to getting everyone

912
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: who's against you to unite. Um so I like him, Yeah,

913
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: me too. When he gets arrested for running a newspaper,

914
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: mass protests filled the streets and anger. Thousands of students

915
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: walk out of schools and protests, and a thousand people

916
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: are expelled for walking out because they're mad that this

917
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: guy got arrested. And now On Nin was one of

918
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: the quote five Dragons, who are the anti colonial socialists

919
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: who met while studying in Paris. Most notable among them,

920
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: of course, as Ho Chi Minh, who will go on

921
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: to lead North Vietnam to victory against the French and

922
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: then the Americans. First, of course, Ocimen will declare victory

923
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: over the rest of the Vietnamese left and kill a

924
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: bunch of people. But we'll get to that. So that's

925
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: what's in the air. When von moves to Saigon and

926
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: takes work as a clerk in some accounts department, he's

927
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: fourteen and he's getting in this kind of work. He's

928
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: just fucking smart as hell. Co workers are like, oh,

929
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: you like books, here's books, and they just give him

930
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: books and he reads French rebels and Vietnamese rebels and

931
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: poetry and rebellion and he's just like really into poetry

932
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: and revolt um because he's fucking cool. Also happening around

933
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: that time eight a man named Fan von Kim snuck

934
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: his way into court and assassinated a colonial judge. I

935
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: think the guy overseen on NaN's trial basically like someone's like,

936
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't trust you to be fair, so I'm going

937
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: to murder you. On the rubber plantations, which had a

938
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: death rate among workers of a hundred workers killed, their

939
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: overseer in the director of the Bureau of Recruitment of

940
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: rubber Plantations was taken out with a revolver by a

941
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: high school student. See this is why union membership in

942
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: the United States is down to ten. They don't be

943
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: doing stuff like this. I'm joking, I'm for legal reasons.

944
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: That's a joke, Like, seriously, come on, have some class analysis.

945
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: I know, I know your homies are dying at work

946
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: and you're just like, well, um, no, I would, I

947
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: would at least consider yeah. Uh, you know, it's a

948
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: thing worth considering. Yeah, And some of it's like the

949
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: funking I'll talk about a little bit more in the

950
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: next episode, but some of these rubber plantations are the

951
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: Mitchel entire plantations. No, like literally literally yeah. Oh, and

952
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: that's like one of the things. It's like, it's so

953
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: easy to think about things like eighty years ago on

954
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: the other side of the planet as like being separate spears,

955
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: and they're just not they're not. Wow. Yeah. So in

956
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: the rebellion grew, which we'll talk about on Wednesday. Done,

957
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: that's my cliffhanger. Nice. Thanks, But do you have any

958
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: thoughts or feedback on this particular this first trunk before

959
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: we get into a great time? Yeah, I'm having a

960
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: great time. I think you're doing really well. Thank you. Um,

961
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: your pronunciations are okay, Yeah, they're not so great. I

962
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: looked up all of them, but yeah, it's okay. Vietnamese

963
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: is hard. I still struggle with it. I actually speak

964
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: like nineteen fifties Vietnamese, So people like more currently think

965
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: I like and weird. Yeah, I'm imagining like the equivalent

966
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: of you having like a Brooklyn accent, like an accent

967
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of fallen out of style. Yeah, because the

968
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: Vietnamese that's taught here, at least when I went to

969
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: Vietnamese school, is taught by people who grew up in

970
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: like the sixties and seventies, and so that's the Vietnamese

971
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: they teach here. And so when people who live in

972
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: Vietnam now come, they're like, you sound like the equivalent

973
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: of like fucking John Travolta and Greece, you know, just

974
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: like thanks, that's really funny actually, but yeah, I had

975
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: no idea, like you sound like an old man, and

976
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I am that rules. We just need

977
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: to get you a top me gun and god, I

978
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: think I think I need one mounted to the back

979
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: of my truck. That's okay, but it has to be

980
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: like one of those old fashioned trucks with like the

981
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: running boards and the like um, yeah, okay, okay, we

982
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: could probably make that happen, I think. So you don't

983
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: have handy people, Yeah, no, do you have anything like

984
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: to plug at the end here before we wrap up

985
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: part one. Oh yeah, for sure, I am one of

986
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,360
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987
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988
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989
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990
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,280
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991
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: that is the Tiger Block Podcast. You can find it

992
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,800
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993
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:02,880
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994
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