Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week from Bloomberg Radio Jason Kelly
Speaker 1: and I'm Carol Masser. Welcome to the Bloomberg Business Week Extra.
Speaker 1: It's a weekly podcast bringing an in depth interview you
Speaker 1: will not hear anywhere else. And this week, I gotta
Speaker 1: say I love this conversation. Candice Bushnell stopped by. We're
Speaker 1: expecting you know, sort of a chat about sex and
Speaker 1: TV and all of that. It really took a turn,
Speaker 1: a much more serious turn, candidly, because she really brought
Speaker 1: her a game, talking about economics, women, sort of the
Speaker 1: changing nature of power and money here in New York
Speaker 1: City and elsewhere. Right, we went down memory lane, but
Speaker 1: it also took some interesting turns. Listen up. So every
Speaker 1: once in a while, something or someone or both comes
Speaker 1: along that becomes so much a part of our world,
Speaker 1: a reference that ties together people, marks an era in
Speaker 1: our society. And that was definitely the case with Sex
Speaker 1: in the City. We talked so much about the idea
Speaker 1: of Zeitgeist, and there are few people who were more
Speaker 1: Zeitgeist than Candice Bushnell. She's here with us in the
Speaker 1: York City. She's got a new book out. Is there
Speaker 1: still Sex in the City? It's a good looking cover.
Speaker 1: You look great on it, you know, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean your dogs. I have my dogs.
Speaker 1: And but I think I should have I should have
Speaker 1: been sort of coming out like at the reader, like
Speaker 1: it's there still. So what inspired you to write this book? Now?
Speaker 1: Really the same thing that inspired me to write Sex
Speaker 1: in the City, and that is that I felt like
Speaker 1: as a woman I was in uncharted territory. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: once again being in my fifties. And when I was
Speaker 1: in my thirties and I was writing Sex in the City,
Speaker 1: I was a single woman. And um uh, you know,
Speaker 1: there really weren't supposed to be any single women in
Speaker 1: their thirties. That was, you know, twenty years ago, being
Speaker 1: single in your thirties was considered what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? You have baggage. Why haven't you
Speaker 1: been able to understand how society works and find, you know,
Speaker 1: find somebody. Um so that was really the rise of
Speaker 1: the Sex and the City woman. You know, a woman
Speaker 1: who said, I'm living by different rules for a variety
Speaker 1: of reasons, I haven't found the guy. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Sex of the City woman is really the woman who
Speaker 1: in the eighties, set out to have it all and
Speaker 1: do it all. How hard take us back there, Like,
Speaker 1: how hard was it to be a single woman in
Speaker 1: the city dating, trying to make her way, make her impact?
Speaker 1: How hard was it? It was pretty hard. I mean
Speaker 1: it was pretty hard. And I think one of the
Speaker 1: hardest things for me was really being somebody who I
Speaker 1: came to the city. I didn't go to an ivy
Speaker 1: league school, so I didn't have that protection. Um, I
Speaker 1: didn't really know anybody, and I had no relatives here.
Speaker 1: So this is a city that really really thrives on connections,
Speaker 1: and you are greatly protected by your connections and who
Speaker 1: you can get to and what circles you move in,
Speaker 1: and so being somebody without any of those cards makes it,
Speaker 1: I think difficult. You really really have to look out
Speaker 1: for yourself. And you were young. You were nine. I
Speaker 1: was nineteen when I first moved to the city, and
Speaker 1: it was pretty you know, the city was it was
Speaker 1: very dangerous. I was held up at gunpoint. Um, I
Speaker 1: think actually somebody I once I was in a punk
Speaker 1: fashion show. It was probably two or three in the morning.
Speaker 1: I was going home and I had a face full
Speaker 1: of pretty extreme makeup of course, it was two and
Speaker 1: three in the morning. I wasn't going home. I was
Speaker 1: going to visit a friend where you threw down the key.
Speaker 1: While I was waiting for this person to throw down
Speaker 1: the key, a car pulled up and there was you know,
Speaker 1: they were definitely looking for some of their prostitutes or
Speaker 1: whatever who had clearly run away, and they one guy
Speaker 1: got out of the car with a gun and ran
Speaker 1: towards me. And it was like, I got in the
Speaker 1: first door, but I couldn't get through this into the
Speaker 1: second door, and and I just turned around and I
Speaker 1: just screamed, and I knew at that point, I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm getting in that car. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to shoot me before you put a
Speaker 1: hand on me. And I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: the extreme makeup, but he looked absolutely startled and shocked
Speaker 1: and frightened and ran away. That was like, so, I, yes,
Speaker 1: but that kind of thing happened all the time. But
Speaker 1: I was really fearless, and I really really was fearless. Well,
Speaker 1: and you were fearless professionally as well. And you know,
Speaker 1: in a pre social media age, it sounds like what
Speaker 1: you set out to do was to create the connections
Speaker 1: to your point that I think we take for granted
Speaker 1: now because everybody is a click or an instagram or
Speaker 1: a tweet away. You had to sort of do that
Speaker 1: the old fashioned way. But one of the things you
Speaker 1: did was you fell in with a group of incredibly
Speaker 1: well known writers at the time. You talk about sort
Speaker 1: of the site guysy writers at the time, Freddie Snellis,
Speaker 1: Jay McNerney, editors and others. What was that all about, Well,
Speaker 1: it was so much fun, it was. That was what
Speaker 1: happened in New York was when I first moved to
Speaker 1: in nineteen nine, the city was broke. Economics have so
Speaker 1: much to do with this, and that's something that we
Speaker 1: never want to talk about, but you know about it
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, the economy was bad. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've noticed is that when
Speaker 1: the economy these bad, feminism rises. Um and I could
Speaker 1: be wrong about this, but it's something that I've observed.
Speaker 1: And so there was seemed like there was a lot
Speaker 1: of feminism in New York in the early eighties. You
Speaker 1: probably don't remember this, but there were women on the
Speaker 1: streets with you know that we're against pornography, and the
Speaker 1: pornography was it was pretty brutal, dead um, New York pornography,
Speaker 1: New York pornography. It was pretty bad. And you know,
Speaker 1: then there was that big boom in the eighties, you know,
Speaker 1: and and so that seemed to start happening in the
Speaker 1: mid eighties, and and so it was New York was
Speaker 1: really a party city. And it was also the thing
Speaker 1: that everyone has to remember, it was very very small.
Speaker 1: I mean, this society of you know, the movers and
Speaker 1: shakers or boldfaced names was probably literally five thousand people max,
Speaker 1: but probably about two thou people. And it was really
Speaker 1: the time of the velvet rope and more and more exclusivity.
Speaker 1: So it was great to be on the inside of that.
Speaker 1: And life was incredibly exciting. And you know, there was
Speaker 1: no the gossip was it was page six, which of
Speaker 1: course everybody wanted to and didn't want to be on.
Speaker 1: I mean people were so afraid of you know, bad publicity.
Speaker 1: Now of course everybody gets it. I mean everybody gets
Speaker 1: it on Twitter sense, so um. But then you know,
Speaker 1: we had the big boom, and then we had that bust,
Speaker 1: and we had the trophy wife. In the these eight
Speaker 1: late eighties, you know, what was it Black Friday? But
Speaker 1: wasn't there another crash in? That was that? But like
Speaker 1: was essentially when Bush goes out of office, Clinton comes in.
Speaker 1: That was the economy that was fairly unsteady. And that economy,
Speaker 1: yes and so, and that was you know, that recession
Speaker 1: time was a time when well, first of all, there
Speaker 1: were a lot of perks because there were you know,
Speaker 1: the big, big companies. They didn't take care of their employees,
Speaker 1: but they would not pay you very much. That was
Speaker 1: the time of you know, everybody he was taking a
Speaker 1: town car and they had these little luxuries that they
Speaker 1: would give you in order to make up for the
Speaker 1: fact that you were not paid well paid very badly.
Speaker 1: And then that also seemed like a time of feminism,
Speaker 1: um really in the nineties. And it seemed like to me,
Speaker 1: all of those women in the eighties who come to
Speaker 1: New York to make it, who hadn't found somebody, they
Speaker 1: were now in their thirties and they had careers, and
Speaker 1: some of them were starting to be successful, and they
Speaker 1: had a very different view of men. They really didn't
Speaker 1: want to settle and they didn't want to accept, you know,
Speaker 1: the things that they supposedly would have accepted in the
Speaker 1: eighties when they were maybe more desperate. Ticket Mary, that's
Speaker 1: a very long winded conversation, but it's really fascinating. But
Speaker 1: your column in The New York Observer, from what we
Speaker 1: understand is that you were talking about your stories right
Speaker 1: dating in the office and a couple of editors were like,
Speaker 1: this would be a great column. Is that correct or
Speaker 1: how did it kind of come correct me? Because we
Speaker 1: want to know like kind of how that came to be,
Speaker 1: because that was really I was actually right. It's so
Speaker 1: it's so hard actually writing something about that time of
Speaker 1: when I was writing the column and how I got
Speaker 1: the column, and I do put the scene in where
Speaker 1: the character is, you know, talking about her dating life
Speaker 1: all of the editors and stuff like that. So, um, yes,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of stories and I was full
Speaker 1: of ideas for stories, um for them. And Susan Morrison
Speaker 1: was the editor when I was first there, and she
Speaker 1: sent me out to do a lot of She wanted
Speaker 1: me to write about a lot of these different kinds
Speaker 1: of guys like Richard Holbrook was one of them, who
Speaker 1: I hear is an absolutely fascinating man. There's a new
Speaker 1: biography of him. I couldn't even get him on the phone.
Speaker 1: And you know, and Jeffrey Epstein was also one of these,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of questionable what's going on? How did
Speaker 1: he get his money? And there were a few other
Speaker 1: of these types, And it was pretty normal when you
Speaker 1: interviewed these big business types that you would either get bribed,
Speaker 1: they would try to bribe you, or would threaten you.
Speaker 1: So they would kind of bribe you with I can
Speaker 1: make your career and threaten you with you're gonna end
Speaker 1: up in the East River, whether block around your ankle. Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that for a second, because I feel
Speaker 1: like those archetypes that you know, started in the boom
Speaker 1: of the eighties, they go through the nineties, they manifest
Speaker 1: differently here in the two thousands. This is the audience
Speaker 1: the characters that were so interested in from a Bloomberg
Speaker 1: in a Business Week perspective, how has that archetype changed?
Speaker 1: And maybe a different way of asking it is what
Speaker 1: does Mr Big look like in twenty nineteen? Oh gosh, Um,
Speaker 1: that's such a hard question for me to answer, partly
Speaker 1: because I just tell Chris Note and you know, literally
Speaker 1: what he looks like, literally what he looks like. I
Speaker 1: just saw him a couple of days ago. He's looking good.
Speaker 1: He's good. Um, does he still exists too? Like does
Speaker 1: Mr You know that's a very good question, and and um,
Speaker 1: you know Mr Big we're hoping is not a me tour. Um.
Speaker 1: I but does he exist? I think he looks maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit different. But I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: I you know, men with power, they given the opportunity
Speaker 1: to behave like men with power, they will. That's generally
Speaker 1: been my experience. So I don't I think that men
Speaker 1: are held more accountable. I think that men do things way,
Speaker 1: make too many decisions based on ego and ocean. Um,
Speaker 1: that's still my existence with men. Boy, they've got thin skins.
Speaker 1: I mean I have had a lot of problems in business,
Speaker 1: which just trying to talk to men like look, this
Speaker 1: is the way it is, you know. So uh, you
Speaker 1: know from I tend to have a lot of difficulty
Speaker 1: working with men in business. Um, it's an ego thing.
Speaker 1: I you know, I still see it. So much of
Speaker 1: business is really run on the egos of men. And
Speaker 1: we're in this mess because of you know, men are
Speaker 1: keeping score and counting up how many billions they have?
Speaker 1: Is that also that because I was thinking about how
Speaker 1: often we talk about, you know, equality, whether it's in
Speaker 1: you know, the c suite or on corporate boards, like
Speaker 1: it's still held back dramatically, it's hugely held back. I mean,
Speaker 1: women are there is no equality. And part of the
Speaker 1: reason is, I think socially, how are we brought up
Speaker 1: to look at men and women? And it's we've all
Speaker 1: internalized it so much. And I think, you know, it
Speaker 1: goes so deep because we really have to look at
Speaker 1: you know, we as human beings. We probably raised to
Speaker 1: live in tribes and and you know small groups, were
Speaker 1: also raised to be very cooperative and also to specialize.
Speaker 1: And people also want leaders. I mean, that's another thing
Speaker 1: that's really very interesting about people, is so many people
Speaker 1: want to give up power to somebody else and let
Speaker 1: somebody else make the decision. And I think we've seen
Speaker 1: that all across the board. I mean, it takes a
Speaker 1: lot of effort to go up against you know, power,
Speaker 1: and I do think you know, there are certain things,
Speaker 1: for instance, like all these grooming that women are encouraged
Speaker 1: to do, and I do a percentage of it. I do,
Speaker 1: I do as little as possible because I honestly, uh
Speaker 1: I feel that it's maybe not always the best use
Speaker 1: of one's time, but society tells us that it is. Well,
Speaker 1: when you're spending all that time grooming, guess what you're
Speaker 1: not spending time doing making money. And you know, women
Speaker 1: are still not raised to go out there and make money.
Speaker 1: And I am saying to women, now is the time,
Speaker 1: like forget relationships honestly, because that's you are not going
Speaker 1: to be relying on that in the future. Well, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: and I feel like, well, a couple of things when
Speaker 1: you talk about women in money, because I do feel
Speaker 1: like when women are aggressive about money, they get a
Speaker 1: label right away, whereas when men are aggressive about money.
Speaker 1: And I really do believe that that it's a different perception.
Speaker 1: He's taking care of his family, it's a good thing,
Speaker 1: he's ambitious, and I do feel like we still have
Speaker 1: that playing out. The other thing, I feel like when
Speaker 1: you say women should go out there and make money,
Speaker 1: you talk about kind of the role of technology in
Speaker 1: our world now, right, And I mean we're coming to
Speaker 1: an error where I don't necessarily I mean, I'm married,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have to get married to have children, right,
Speaker 1: There's other ways to do it. Exactly, and that I
Speaker 1: mean to me, one of the things that's so fascinating
Speaker 1: is what is the future going to look like with
Speaker 1: all of these dating apps, because people now feel like
Speaker 1: they really can't meet somebody unless they're swiping right, you know,
Speaker 1: on a dating app. And you played around with this,
Speaker 1: right I did. I went on Tinder. I was definitely
Speaker 1: not going to meet somebody on Tinder. I'm somebody who
Speaker 1: I am? I mean, I think I do think about
Speaker 1: it a bit, you know, the whole online kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and we're going to be using it more and more
Speaker 1: and more. And you know, my feeling is, are we
Speaker 1: going to be using it to vote like who gets
Speaker 1: to stay on the island? But in a macro sense
Speaker 1: like who gets to come into the United States? Who
Speaker 1: are we keeping out? I mean, are we? You know?
Speaker 1: I don't know. And everybody now has to have some
Speaker 1: kind of presence on social media, um, and that seems
Speaker 1: to be increasingly true. One of the things I've noticed
Speaker 1: about people is technology only tends to go in one direction.
Speaker 1: It doesn't tend to go backwards unless there is some
Speaker 1: kind of armageddon, which you know, we know with climate change,
Speaker 1: I mean forty years who knows, but well, let me
Speaker 1: ask you about that specific point, because we're experiencing it
Speaker 1: feels like, at least a little mini backlash toward our
Speaker 1: reliance on technology. It feels like, you know, parents, candidly,
Speaker 1: more affluent parents are starting to ask questions about how
Speaker 1: much time is my kids spending on social media on
Speaker 1: their device? How much time are we all spending on
Speaker 1: our devices. Is that just a moment that will pass
Speaker 1: in this sort of inexorable march towards us sort of
Speaker 1: shippifying ourselves. Probably? I mean, you know, it's interesting because
Speaker 1: people always look back in time and feel that somehow
Speaker 1: things were better, But we have to remember that, you know,
Speaker 1: fifty sixty years ago in this country, being rich or
Speaker 1: being well off meant like one and a half bathrooms
Speaker 1: for a family of five or six. And you know,
Speaker 1: you look at the cell phone. I mean, if it
Speaker 1: weren't for really the phones that we are all using,
Speaker 1: technology probably wouldn't have taken such a big leap, you know,
Speaker 1: with the social media. And now we've got it in
Speaker 1: our hands. So what's going to happen when it's and
Speaker 1: to your point, it's not just technology that social media
Speaker 1: and you know computers and that kind of thing. It's
Speaker 1: also freezing your eggs and we are going to be
Speaker 1: you know, probably the wealthy will be able to reproduce
Speaker 1: in a different way. And I think we see more
Speaker 1: and more people are using surrogates and you know, choosing
Speaker 1: you know, in some ways choosing the attributes of their children.
Speaker 1: And if people have money, they will and these things
Speaker 1: are available, people will avail themselves of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: plastic surgery is a perfect example. That's something that it's
Speaker 1: only in East and it's it's interesting to me can
Speaker 1: afford it for those who can afford it, but also
Speaker 1: it's something that's also you know, you can also put
Speaker 1: it on a credit card, so that has made it
Speaker 1: talk about much much more widely affordable to people. So
Speaker 1: if people can improve themselves in some way or get
Speaker 1: a leg up, they tend to do that. So let
Speaker 1: me ask you and take you back to something you
Speaker 1: said earlier, which I think is such a fascinating point
Speaker 1: that the economy and feminism are correlated. Look around the
Speaker 1: at the economy right now. By many accounts, it's booming
Speaker 1: from a consumer perspective, and yet we talk about it
Speaker 1: every day. There are sort of clouds looming on the horizon.
Speaker 1: Synthesize that with me too. Times up this moment that
Speaker 1: we seem to be having, questioning a lot of the
Speaker 1: existing power structure. How does the economy figure in to
Speaker 1: what happens next for women and for feminism. Well, one
Speaker 1: of the things that I noticed was in two thousand,
Speaker 1: you know, before two eight, that I felt like about
Speaker 1: a hundred steps back from feminism. And I just remember
Speaker 1: how shocked I felt. Now, of course, those young women
Speaker 1: are in their thirties, forties, maybe they're a little bit younger,
Speaker 1: but it was the time of bridezillas. It was a
Speaker 1: time where there was i mean consumers and really felt
Speaker 1: like it took off. Then it was also a time
Speaker 1: if we loosened to the debts debt requirements, So people
Speaker 1: are spending, spending money, and you know, they're thinking they're
Speaker 1: gonna have kids, and they're putting the kids in designer clothes,
Speaker 1: and it's we see all this with the celebrities, and
Speaker 1: how many women actresses stood up in those times and
Speaker 1: staid I'm not a feminist. Really shameful, right, and then
Speaker 1: the crash comes and there's a real change. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's so many industries that haven't recovered from
Speaker 1: that change. I mean, yes, people are working, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you are, it feels like they're more women in
Speaker 1: more powerful position. I think it was pivotal, pivotal, pivotal.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, because I think a lot of financial jobs
Speaker 1: were lost, which were predominantly men. And I saw personally
Speaker 1: a lot of women who kept their jobs and then
Speaker 1: became the sole supporter of their families. And I really
Speaker 1: saw role reversals happening at that era. Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: that is something that I tried to capture in my
Speaker 1: book Stick Jungle, this idea of the role reversal, where
Speaker 1: I see more and more women are the breadwinners in
Speaker 1: the family. And that's always been true for lower income women.
Speaker 1: For lower income women, it might be as high as thirty,
Speaker 1: might be as high as and you know, for upper
Speaker 1: income women it was. Now maybe it's but that's something
Speaker 1: that is inching up along with less marriage and more
Speaker 1: single people. And in a sense, that's that's it's going
Speaker 1: to be the future for a lot of people. I
Speaker 1: feel like we'd be remissed because I, first of all,
Speaker 1: I feel like you should have another column because of
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, but I want to talk about
Speaker 1: Sex in the City just before we go, because it
Speaker 1: was such a phenomenon. It really was. It became a
Speaker 1: part of I was talking about cold true literacy, and
Speaker 1: I feel like that kind of changed and marked an
Speaker 1: era for so many of us. It was the reason
Speaker 1: I first bought my first prayer of Jimmy choose to
Speaker 1: be quite honest, but talk to me about how surprised
Speaker 1: you were by what a hit it became and how
Speaker 1: much kind of it became a part of kind of
Speaker 1: our fabric of society, certainly for women, for many women. Well,
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is, ever since I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I always felt like I've got to do something big.
Speaker 1: I've got to do something big, Something's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and something big is going to happen, And that ridiculous
Speaker 1: belief is really what kept me going until I started
Speaker 1: writing the column Sex in the City, because I really
Speaker 1: I was making very very little money. I could support myself,
Speaker 1: I could pay my rent um, and then my big
Speaker 1: goal when I was writing Sex in the City was
Speaker 1: really just to get a column because I wanted to
Speaker 1: have some kind of regular income, and this was something
Speaker 1: I've been working towards for probably thought years and had
Speaker 1: had versions of early versions of Sex in the City.
Speaker 1: So when I got the column, I knew exactly what
Speaker 1: to do with it, and I didn't know that it
Speaker 1: was my big break. It was turned into a book,
Speaker 1: and that was absolutely fabulous because at that time all
Speaker 1: I wanted to do was publish a book. I knew
Speaker 1: that I couldn't. You know, journalism has a shelf life
Speaker 1: and at some point you really have to transition to
Speaker 1: writing books. So that was a huge break for me
Speaker 1: and then Darren's. But when I was writing it, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of interest from TV and movies, which
Speaker 1: I did not take seriously because at that time, you know,
Speaker 1: friends I had who had books turned into movies. It
Speaker 1: was it was just considered like not literary. Being the
Speaker 1: best seller list, believe it or not, was not a goal. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, that was considered a little crass. And and
Speaker 1: and the idea of Sex in the City being a
Speaker 1: TV show was I have to tell you nobody was impressed. Um,
Speaker 1: nobody watched TV. I mean, you have to remember this
Speaker 1: is HBO was just getting started now. ABC was very interested,
Speaker 1: but Darren did not want to go to network I
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to network because HBO was here
Speaker 1: in New York. We knew them. Um. And you also
Speaker 1: have to remember that before Sex in the City, I
Speaker 1: was working with Bravo. I had a TV show called
Speaker 1: sex Lines and Video Clips. So for me, the TV
Speaker 1: series was like another thing in a list of things
Speaker 1: that I had going on. I think I was also
Speaker 1: probably writing a screenplay, so I had a lot that
Speaker 1: was going on that was all new and and so
Speaker 1: the show was exciting, but it was really HBO kept
Speaker 1: it on and it just ended up like getting a
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger audience and becoming a phenomenon. I mean,
Speaker 1: they never told us the numbers. Apparently the numbers were
Speaker 1: really pretty big out of the gate, but they never
Speaker 1: told They never told Darren Start that. So we literally
Speaker 1: power Place had no idea. We had no idea, and
Speaker 1: people in New York didn't really watch that much TV.
Speaker 1: So but then it's started, and that was part of it, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of democratized in many ways the
Speaker 1: ideas and validated a lot of feelings maybe that people
Speaker 1: were having that well you know what, that was all
Speaker 1: sort time thanks to the Internet where all of the
Speaker 1: creativity of New York that had really been contained in
Speaker 1: this pretty small group of artists and fashion designers and
Speaker 1: ashion magazines and writing and you know art that was
Speaker 1: a pretty small group. Because of the Internet, it all
Speaker 1: exploded really out there into the ether. And that's what
Speaker 1: it was a combination of those two things that I
Speaker 1: think really made it so big. You know, New York
Speaker 1: was in the early nineties, nobody wanted to go to
Speaker 1: New York, and after that, everybody wanted to come to
Speaker 1: New York, like it was a love letter to New
Speaker 1: York anyways, which was really cool. This new book, you're older,
Speaker 1: dealing with dating again, but also a lot of other things.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a lot of call it the
Speaker 1: new middle age, and and I mean this to me
Speaker 1: is so zeitgeist um, because we're all, you know, we
Speaker 1: are all in this time when we're getting older and
Speaker 1: dealing with lots of different issues, whether it's parents, whether
Speaker 1: it's it's parentship itself, you know, it's emotionally and I
Speaker 1: find that this it's this time of readjustment for men
Speaker 1: and women. And there's something I call middle aged madness.
Speaker 1: I see men going going through it too. I've seen
Speaker 1: fifty five year old men moved back to their mother's house. Wow,
Speaker 1: sounds like we have another episode to do with this.
Speaker 1: Is There Still Sex in the City. It's the new
Speaker 1: book Candice Bushnell. Thank you so much. Thank you. And
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