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Speaker 1: the Drive. I'm Dal Lolly here with Matt Williamson. It's

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Speaker 1: a lovely Friday here in Pittsburgh. Apparently it's not going

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Speaker 1: I think in the next in the next week. UM,

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Speaker 1: start to see deal sign but we'll hear about um

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Speaker 1: deals that are agreed to where that that that news

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Speaker 1: So people don't pass physicals either or right. There's all

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Speaker 1: kinds of things that happened. Yeah, somebody, Yeah, who was

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Speaker 1: just give him Devin Bush and you know right last year,

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Speaker 1: more roster holes. Oh yeah, and you've traded away and

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Speaker 1: I would do it today, this week. No, I agree

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Speaker 1: it tie it to that. But it's awfully difficult to

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