WEBVTT - Could There Be A Loch Ness Monster? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.560 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:14.280 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.639 and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry Jerome 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.960 Rowland over there. So this is stuff you should know. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:28.680 Is that Frankenstein? Is that Frankenstein or what? No, you've 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.640 got your arms extended like it is. Oh those are arms, 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:36.920 those are flippers. Oh I see, I'm a monster. Okay, 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.839 that was the groundskeeper Willie Clothes. Yeah, that was pretty good. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:46.200 Country are we Are you doing like a Locknus monster impression? Man, 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.760 you're good. I used the powers of deduction like Sherlock 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.160 Holmes did in the Private Life of Sherlock Holmes. Look 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.240 at that little bit of foreshadowing. By the way, we 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.680 covered a bit of this Everyone we Know and Sea 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:05.160 Monsters four years ago. But we felt this monster was 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:10.480 so great that or she perhaps, yeah, maybe Nestie deserved 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.280 her own space. Let's just go with their sure, why not? 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.600 A right? So um, yeah, I went back. I was like, 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.800 I feel like we definitely did a lock Neess episode. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.640 But no, just a little little passage in the Sea 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.119 Monster episode. So we'll flesh that out a little bit. Okay, 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:34.360 So Chuck, let's go back about ten thousand years. Okay, 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.440 we need a lot of kerosene in the way Back 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:44.280 machine and human excrement farts. Can I say that? Well 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.760 you just did, all right, we'll see if that stays. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.400 So human farts and kerosene apparently now power the way 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.640 Back machine. Oh it always did, maybe, Jerry, Well, I 0:01:53.640 --> 0:02:03.880 had some extra sound effects. So here we are, and 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:08.080 we're actually chucking the land that will become Scotland in 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.639 a few thousand years um. And if you'll look right there, 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.919 right there, there's a glacier retreating. It's melting. As it melting, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.600 it's filling up this gouge in the earth. And this gouge, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.799 Chuck is eventually going to be called lock Mass. That's right. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.520 And this gouge, my friend, as you know, is not 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.799 huge as far as square miles go, but it's very 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.960 very deep. It is. It's like so lackness is like 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.280 long and narrow, and it is like it was created 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.160 when an ice sheet gouged the rocky earth in Scotland 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:42.959 ten thousand years ago and then the ice melting and 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.440 filled it in basically like I just said, And it 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.000 was a deep gouge not very wide, um, but it's 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:54.800 like deeper than the North Sea around Scotland. It looks 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.920 like thirty six kilometers or twenty three miles long. And 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:04.200 then most recently the newest deep its depth is measured 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:09.919 it close to nine feet, which is staggering. Yeah, it's um. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.680 So it's like a thousandth the size of Lake Michigan, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.600 but it's three and a half times deeper than Lake Erie. Man. 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.800 That's deep. That is very very poor lake. It's also 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.480 really dark too because the runoff from the land around 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.280 it's very peat rich, which is black, and so that 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.400 that runoff goes into lake and it turns the lake 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.680 a very very dark color. So it's like it looks mysterious. 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.680 Like you can look at Lochness. I've never been there 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.320 personally aside from this time now that we're here, um, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.360 but from what I understand, it is a like a 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:45.640 nice mysterious looking lake. Yeah, and that I mean I've 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.560 always thought it looked creepy, but it's beautiful really. But 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:54.280 there's something about deep dark and uh, you know reputed 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.480 monsters that will do that to you over the years. Yeah, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.080 you know, like lakes and Georgia. I don't think I 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:03.120 heard once there's no U natural lake in Georgia that 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.600 every single lake in Georgia is man made by power 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.600 by power company. That I mean, I don't know as 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.240 far as I know that's true. There may be there 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.040 may be a natural lake somewhere that I don't know 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.480 about in the mountains. But I think they're supposedly all 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.640 Georgia power lakes, aren't they. That's that's what I understand. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.720 And every single one of them, I mean, they're they're 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.560 no deeper than like thirty forty fifty ft. That's not 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.520 very deep at all as far as lakes go. And 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.440 a lot of them have like flooded structures, like they 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.880 built a damn in like the water built up around 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.280 it and flooded like towns or like there's a gulf 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:40.839 station at at Um under Lake Lanear. I believe, right, Yeah, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.360 I mean they're they're yeah, automobiles supposedly an old remnants 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.440 of houses under a lot of these lakes. It's like 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.839 a brother art though when they've flooded the valley exactly 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.560 same thing. So when you're when you're swimming in a 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.000 lake in Georgia and it's just like thirty ft deep, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.640 you can just feel everything underneath you. Imagine what it 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.120 must be like swimming in a lake and feeling that 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.280 there's nine feet between you and the bottom of this 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.960 lake and what all is there? Yeah, you could I 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.680 don't know, I feel like you could probably sense that feeling. Right. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.040 So if you put all this together, you can kind 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.320 of say, well, of course people are saying that that 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.839 there's something in locknets. You can just look at it 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.520 and think there's got to be something hiding under there. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.480 And apparently that's been the case for many, many thousands 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.920 of years from what we understand. Uh yeah, I mean 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.279 this was I had no idea that this went back 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.520 that far. But there were these people um way back 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.600 in the day called the Picks p i c t S. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:42.040 And they were a tattoo covered tribe who were fierce warriors, 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.800 and the Romans named them painted ones I guess because 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:51.200 of their tattoos. And they carved these um I guess 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.040 they're just like, uh, it's as standing stones, but with 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.599 a little carving like clay like a wall carvings. They're no, 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.320 they're like it's a freeze standing carved stone that has 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.719 like pictures of animals on them. But is it like 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.840 a sculpture. No, it's like a flat stone that they 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.039 used is basically like a canvas, but it's it's a 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.520 it's a stone. It's a free standing stone, all right, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:14.559 Because I saw the pictures, but they were so close 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.360 up you couldn't really get that big image. But a 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.240 long story short, they were actually you know, animals and 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.000 things like everyone else that drew on cave walls. You 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.920 would draw what's around you, and everything can pretty much 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:32.240 be explained, except for this one. They carved the Lockness monster. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.400 Let's just go ahead and say it. Yeah, it looks 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.599 it looks like kind of a seahorsey kind of thing 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.920 or you know. And this article, um, one of the 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.560 articles we used was from Nova PBS is Nova series, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.640 and um. They basically point out that if you look 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:51.200 at all the other carvings that the Picks made, there 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:55.080 immediately identifiable what animal they were they were drawing with 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.080 this particular one called the Picked Beasts, no one has 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.440 any idea. And they're like, okay, well it was a 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.640 locknest monster that they drew, right, or an elephant that's 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:09.440 swimming maybe, which, um, well, I don't want to spoil it. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.000 But elephants do swim a long distance. Yeah, that's the 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:17.000 thing that that connects the two episodes today, isn't it. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.680 That's right, swimming elephants. Who'd have thought that one thing? 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:25.360 So the picks at least as far as years ago. Uh, 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.120 we're drawing pictures of sea monsters around Scotland, and there's 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.240 a lot of legends of like sea monsters that we 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.440 talked about in the sea Monsters episode in Scotland in general, 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.040 not just locked nests like they're crazy for him. Yeah, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.160 they really are, and they have all sorts of scary 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:44.320 um stories behind them, like uh, water the water kelpie. 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.560 That was that frightened me reading it at my desk, right, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.360 whether the water kelpie will come up and say, hey, kids, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.040 you want to ride on my back through through the lock. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:57.120 It's gonna be fun, and because all the guttish kids 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.440 sound like that, and they jump on and there imediately 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.160 stuck to the beast, which takes them down to the 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.640 depths of the lock and they all drowned and then 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.440 chuck and then I think you should take it from here. 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:13.360 When which part their hats become stuck in there? Right? 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.520 And they drowned and die. But then what happens the 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:20.080 next day? Yeah, this is I'm not quite sure how 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.240 this happens, but their livers wash ashore the next day. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.480 So I guess the beast likes to eat every all 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.680 of the child, except for the liver, which I get. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.960 I don't like liver either. No, I don't like liver myself, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:38.359 especially kid liver right, which you would think would be delectable. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:44.040 But no. So um that so years ago Lochness monster, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.199 possibly with the picks. If we fast forward about a 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.480 thousand years beyond that, there's a saint named Saint Colomba 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.760 who showed up in Ireland and said, hey, Heathen's have 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.960 you ever seen any pamphlets or brochures about Christianity? I 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.199 have some I can give you, and converted the Scots 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.560 to um Christianity, and like five sixty five, I think 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.360 around that time, and there's a story of St. Columba 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.520 who was going to visit a Pictish king and UM said, 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.400 on the way, stopped at the lock and looked out 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.400 on the lock and there was some Scottish guy swimming 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:25.040 and St. Columba saw a monster swimming toward the guy, 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.000 as if to attack him and held up his hand 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.320 and said, in the name of God, I command you 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.480 to turn around and swim away. And apparently the monster did. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.480 And this really, I guess, extended St. Columba's credibility among 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.120 the pis. Yeah, and I think we could just end 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.000 the show right there. There you go. That's the Lockness 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:51.800 months proven by history. Uh. And then flash forward again. Um. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.560 There was a BBC correspondent named Nicholas Witchell. And there 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.280 are a lot of people who over the years, we'll 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.319 talk about a lot of them who have really gotten 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.439 into this, um like quit their jobs and this became 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.600 their job kind of thing. Yeah, Like it gets under 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:10.120 your skin, Yeah, under your under your lucky beastly skin. Um. 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.079 And he wrote a book in nineteen seventy four called 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.400 The Lockness Story, and he ended up digging up about 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:20.439 a dozen or so references pre twentieth century to some 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.640 sort of monster out there. Yeah. And it really started 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.440 to pick up weirdly in like the late the second 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:32.040 half of the nineteenth century, and there it was sporadic. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.280 But the year of the Lochness Monster, the year the 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:40.720 Lochness Monster became part of the public consciousness, was nineteen 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.120 thirty three though, for sure, that sounds like a great 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.320 place to take a break. Oh boy, okay, let's do 0:10:46.400 --> 0:11:09.480 it all right, chuck, So I said. Three was the 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.600 year that the Lochness Monster kind of hit the global scene, 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:17.280 like really made the world party. Yeah, and for a 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.400 good reason. They finally built a road that went around 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.520 the uh the shore on the north side specifically, so 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.640 you could all of a sudden you could drive on 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.520 this lock and you could look at it and stare 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.480 at it and eventually see something if you spend enough 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.880 time there. And in April that happened Mr and Mrs McKay, 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.840 we're local to the region. They were driving home and 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.680 they saw what they described as the most extraordinary form 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.760 of animal rolling and plunging on the surface. That was 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.599 written up in the Inverness Courier and they used the 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.199 word monster for the first time, And so the Lochness 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.360 Monster was officially born. And that whole year, I mean 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.520 that was in the in April. That whole year, there 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.840 were different sightings and just kind of the fever really 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.760 hit a fever pitch. The fever hit a fever pitch. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:13.959 It was pretty feverish very quickly that year. Yeah, so 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.040 there was something else that happened in nineteen thirty three 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:18.800 two that I've seen a lot of people point to 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:23.440 is potentially something that kind of kept the media interest 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.319 going was that King Kong was released basically worldwide in 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.960 and there's like a whole thing about you know this, 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.680 that whole forbidden island where King Kong lives, where like 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.480 dinosaurs are still alive and stuff like that, And a 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.360 lot of people point to, you know, being exposed to 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.320 that as kind of keeping this like bringing it to 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.679 that fever pitch, you know. Yeah, I mean there were 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.720 more eyewitness sighting. Supposedly a motorcyclist saw one on like 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.880 crossing the road. Supposedly, Uh, they offered up um a 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.800 circus offered up a reward of twenty pounds. People were 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.840 camping out and kind of you know, just kind of 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.520 waiting for Nest two pier. And then finally in December, 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.200 the London and this story you're gonna want to listen 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.080 closely and then put a pin in it so it'll 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.679 come back to haunt us later or not us. But 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.760 you know, the show the world party. But the London 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:19.280 Daily Mail hired an actor, a director and a big 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:24.120 game hunter. This is a great name all rolled into one. Yeah. 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:28.839 Marmaduke weather Ll and said, listen, dude, you have all 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:32.800 these skills. You are a director and actor and you 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.160 you know your way around the forest and the lake. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.920 So get out there and see what you can do. 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.080 He said, that was the most bizarre pep talk anyone's 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.720 ever given. He's like, I know all these things, but 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.480 I appreciate it anyway. So the yeah, they the Daily 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.320 Mail sent him up there to figure out what was 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.240 going on. This was December, did you say, Yeah, December 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.040 of thirty three, so um, and again this whole thing 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.400 started in April and we've been building and building and 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.840 then by the time so the Daily Mail, they were like, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.120 you know, basically like the Daily Mail is now from 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:08.240 what I understand, like super, um, you know what I'm saying, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.280 it's the Daily Mail. I don't really think you have 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.319 to put it in any other way. Are they like tabloid? 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.400 Oh yeah, yeah for sure. I mean I always get 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.800 the those UK rags confused on which ones are like, 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.440 you know, tabloid and which ones are reputable. They were 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:28.160 printing clickbait before computers were around, before they even knew 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.320 what that was and there, like, why are we calling 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.400 it clickbait? Yeah? Like what's a mouse? They called it 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.640 thumb bait, right, Actually they called them. Remember we talked 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.640 about this in our tabloid episode. They called it like like, hey, 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.800 Martha's stories like stories so amazing that they got the 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.880 reader to say, hey, Martha, listen to this. Do we 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.720 do a show on tabloids? You don't remember we did? 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.440 It was a good one. I know it's we should 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.560 just sit around and listen to old episodes sometime refresh 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:01.360 our memory. Okay, So, um weather else shows up to 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.040 lock An s among like a lot of pomp and 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.960 circumstances that Daily Mail didn't like just quietly sent him there. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.600 They really promoted this and he starts searching and within 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.440 just a few days he found something. He found tracks 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.320 in the mud around Lockness and um, he did his 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:23.360 measurements because again remember he's a big game hunter, tracker, outdoorsman, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.360 and he he and an actor, a fit not a 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.200 not a successful actor. I get the impression that he 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.760 was like, um, kind of an Edward type actor director. Um, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:39.000 but he uh he he calculated that the animal that 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.400 made these tracks with like I think four toad tracks 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.360 in the mud was at least twenty ft long, and 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.800 this happened at December. He took plaster casts and he 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.280 sent him off to the UM, the Royal Museum, you know, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.280 the Natural History Museum in London, to to be analyzed. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.600 Just as Christmas said in even though this was potentially 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.400 the greatest find zoological find in the world hit in 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.600 world history, they were like, we still have to go 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:10.800 and break right on holiday, Bob Cratchit commands it. Everyone waited. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.040 They did come back from holiday and uh, you know, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.080 monster hunters were all over London, that are all over 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.840 loch Ness and they were super excited. And then in 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:27.440 January zoologists said, um, bad news. Not only is this 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.720 the footprint of a hippopotamus, because that would have been 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.320 pretty amazing in and of itself, right right, yeah, like 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.560 what's the hippopotamus doing there? But they said no, no, no, 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.640 it was a taxidermy hippopotamus foot and it was probably 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.440 like an ashtray or an umbrella. Stand right, somebody just 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:47.600 walks around. I went foot here, footprint here, footprint there, 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.240 and whether I fell for it. So I there's a 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.120 question of whether he was the perpetrator of the fraud 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.400 or whether he was, you know, the victim of this fraud. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.520 But he fell for and he was humiliated. I didn't 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:07.400 see any um, actual like articles, but apparently the Daily Mail, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:11.520 the paper that sent him up there, said like humiliated 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.840 him in their in their coverage of the whole thing. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:18.160 So he retreated from public view. He was humiliated. And um, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.480 don't forget Duke weather Roll because he comes back later. Yeah. 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.320 And not only did they ruin his good name or 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.840 his mediocre name, at least he Uh, the whole incident 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.879 just sort of put a damper on Nessy for a 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.960 few decades. Um, Yeah, kind of brought out the crack 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.960 pots and anyone that had any sightings, uh, they would 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.600 be dismissed and said, to know, it's an illusion. It 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.920 was a duck or a or a log floating or 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.320 a swimming deer or something, and it just it's sort 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.160 of put a big dent in this being taken seriously 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.639 for a long time. The impression that I have is 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.200 that the world was kind of like fool me once, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.879 you know, like they gotten all wrapped up in the 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.280 whole thing, and then you know, it was proved to 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.439 be a big fraud. So everybody just abandoned the Lockness monster. 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.840 Well most people did. Anybody who seemed legitimate, especially if 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:13.040 you're a scientist. The Locknus monster was was not real. Yeah, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.600 but that did not stop just regular human beings and 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.080 monster hunters to um to not go there anymore. They 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.760 were still into it. I think there was a book 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.639 in nineteen seventy four that said more than four thousand people, 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.080 uh you know, have said that they saw something. That's 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.720 a lot of people. And not only that, but all 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.199 of the or a lot of the eyewitness accounts were 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.119 really similar, and a lot of them were from people 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.560 that were you know, there was a Nobel Prize winner. 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.400 They were scientists and teachers and lawyers and priests. Like 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.800 it wasn't just a bunch of uh kooks like you 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.160 and I out there. Yeah. There was a guy named 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.199 Dr Richard Cinch. He was a biochemist who won the 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.960 Nobel Prize who said he saw something, and like you said, 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:59.200 they kind of bore a similar similarities in these reports, 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.960 Like there were humps, at least one or two humps 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.080 rising above the surface, like an overturned boat. Maybe it 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.240 was an overturned boat, maybe so uh a lot of 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.399 people reported something with a long, slender neck and a 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.440 small head rising out of the surface, rising out from 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.240 the lake. Um. And there was this local doctor named 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.879 Constance White who was um. I think she might have 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.600 lived in Inverness. She lived around Lochness, and she had 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.160 a lot of friends who had come forward and said, 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.119 you know, I've seen this, and people just shouted and 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.400 laughed at them and they were humiliated themselves. And she said, 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.640 enough of this, I believe there's something there. I think 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:41.040 these these accounts are similar enough that there's really kind 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.840 of lends some credence to this idea. And she started 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.280 collecting all these different reports and and published the reports 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.880 along with sketches from the people who had who's made 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.879 these reports, into a book called More Than a Legend 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:58.520 in nineteen fifty seven. And it took the Locknus frivolity 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:05.760 and turned it back into a potentially um scientifically studiable thing. 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.600 Yeah for sure, it didn't. Uh, it's not like it 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.480 fully legitimized it, but it kind of reminded people like, hey, 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.920 it's not just a bunch of crackpots out here um 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.359 making stuff up. Like there have been some reputable people 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.080 who have seen very similar things and here they are 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.920 all collected in one space. So that inspired more people 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.760 to UM uh, namely the scientific community, to to get involved. 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:38.480 And UH it happened in UM about a ten year period. 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:44.679 There were four different expeditions from Oxford, Cambridge, University of 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.520 Birmingham and the BBC that all went out there and 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:53.840 did their own expeditions and investigations with UM sonar, which 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.280 was a new I guess a newer technology at the time. 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.440 UM that allows you to use sound to search underwater 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.000 for something, and it basically was a little bit better 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.560 than someone sitting in their lawn chair with binoculars for 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.480 hours on end, which is what people were mostly doing 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:14.560 I guess in that first wave in the early thirties. UM, 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:18.479 he's what they had, right Uh. But then so so 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:22.640 Constance White White book also UM kind of gave rise 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.320 to a second wave of lockness hunters inspired a lot 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.000 of people. UM. There was the Lockness Investigation Bureau which 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:32.879 set up shop on the shore of the Loch and 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:37.760 UM kept watch and led investigations and expeditions for like 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.760 a decade I think from sixty two to seventy two. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.120 And there's an no that's not. Bed's pretty spending ten 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.960 years looking for the Lockness Monster. I think you've you've 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.840 established your bona fide, as you know. And then Tim 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:55.000 Dinsdale was a He was an aeronautical engineer and he 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.679 became kind of a famous Lockness hunter because on his 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.480 after reading more than a legend constant white book, UM, 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.560 he was inspired to go hunt for the Lochness Monster, 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.920 and on his first time out he caught something very 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.399 weird moving away from him on the lock in on film. 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:17.040 Have you seen it? Yeah, I've looked at all this stuff. 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.160 Do you think I think some of it looks very interesting? 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.480 They didn't stale film in particular, looks pretty interesting to 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.880 me too. Yeah, I agreed, I'm not gonna go out there. Well, 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:31.679 let's just save I'll save my judgment save it. Um. 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.480 But in the like I said, over the years, as 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:39.439 technology got better, UM, they started using this technology in 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.800 the nineteen seventies. UM there was in a series of 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:46.879 expeditions UM sponsored by Academy of Applied Science out of 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.840 a Boston and they were the first people to combine 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.919 sonar because they're all already using that, but sonar and 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:58.720 underwater photography under the leadership of a guy named Robert 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.879 Rines who was UH I love this description, A lawyer 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.880 trained in physics, and they were using side scan sonar, 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.720 which we've talked about before a couple of times over 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:17.320 the years. Yeah, maybe pressure hunting or something or Barbie, 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.600 I don't remember one of those. But here here's the 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:27.040 idea there is you combine side scan sonar with UH 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.760 in time it along with your underwater photography, and if 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:34.359 you get um something a picture snapped at the same time, 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.320 you get a let's call it a ding. I don't 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.879 know what sound it makes, but I assume a side 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:45.639 scan sonar dings. Something swims by, well, no side scan sonar, 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:47.879 so it makes it sends out a ping or whatever, 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.760 but it gets um echoes back from all the different 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.159 stuff that bounces off of at different rates, and it 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.879 creates basically like a picture of the floor of the 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.400 or of the lake. Yeah. I just meant a ding 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.040 to alert you. I was just oh, I got you. 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.920