WEBVTT - Staying Together with Jason and Molly Mesnick 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.040 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.880 Chris Harrison here in the home office in Austin, Texas, 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.400 and I have a great show for you today because 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:15.360 it's a show that you have asked for, that many 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.400 of you have asked for, and that is sitting down 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:23.360 and talking to Jason Mesnik and his wife Molly. Jason 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.759 and Molly, who were on the show, met on the 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:32.160 show in easily one of the most infamous and yes, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:37.280 dramatic moments ever. When people would ask me, you know, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.159 as I often got asked in interviews or what have you, 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.520 even on the street, when people would say, okay, dramatic guy, 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.199 what really is the most dramatic moment ever in the 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:52.120 history of the show. I would always say it was Jason, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:57.200 Molly and Melissa. If you don't know Jason Mesnick was on, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.880 I believe it was the fourth season of The Bachelorette 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.760 Deanna pappas he got to the finals of that season, 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:04.680 the final two. I think it was him and a 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.480 guy named Jesse Sinsak who ended up with Dianna for 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.800 a short amount of time. But if you remember, and 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.759 if not, I know you have to go back in 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:19.119 the in the black and white footage, but Jason was 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.440 preparing to get down on one knee and proposed to 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:26.640 Deanna when she stopped him, and she sent him home, 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.640 and he later became our fourteenth bachelor. This is back 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.319 in like two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:36.399 so this is a while ago. You know, It's funny. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.679 In my mind, I remember Jason is the infancy of 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:45.160 the show in very early days. But in preparing for 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.920 this podcast with Jason Andmaly today, it struck me that 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:50.760 it was two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.120 The show began in two thousand and two, so we 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:59.760 were seven years into it. I felt so young. And 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.920 when I mean I felt young, I just mean my 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.440 innocence and maybe the show's innocence and my involvement in 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:12.240 the show was young, and it hadn't been fully baked yet, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:16.480 I guess. And so when this moment happened, when we 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.399 got to the end of the season, Jason became the bachelor, 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.560 and it was a great season. It was kind of 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.920 a you know, we always have a theme, right, it 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.799 was the Sleepless in Seattle. He's from Seattle. We even 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.320 rented the house. It's not a houseboat, but it's you 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.600 know the houses that are on the water there in Seattle. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.680 We rented one of those like that like you see 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.639 in the movie with Tom Hanks and Meg Brian and 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.919 his son. Tie was kind of a part of the show. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.480 And at the time I will talk about this, but Tie, 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.680 I think was four or five years old, and so 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:48.880 you know, we had a single dad, which was a 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.799 first for us as well. It was very emotional and 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.920 Jason was really you know, he wore his heart on 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.160 his sleeve. What you see is what you get with him, 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.600 which is why I enjoy talking to him. But his 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:04.400 season came down to Melissa and Mollie, and at the 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.440 end of the day in New Zealand, where his finale was, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:14.880 he chose Melissa, and quickly things unraveled. It didn't go well, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.799 and that's when Jason said, I would like another shot 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.320 with Mollie. In my heart, I want to be with Molly. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:28.720 So you have to kind of put in perspective when 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.040 I say this was the most dramatic moment of all time. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.880 This had never happened before. This was new in reality TV. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.960 It was new for the Bachelor and Bacheorette. I had 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.480 never experienced anything like this. The producers, the creators, the executives, 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.720 nobody had dealt with anything like this before. And when 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.640 you're dealing with a first it's crazy because you're just 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.120 trying to You're trying to make good TV, of course, 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.720 but you're trying to do what's right. You're trying to 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.240 make everybody happy. You're trying to actually make this work 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.360 because it behooves us to actually make it work, but 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.320 you're trying to do it also in dramatic fashion for television. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:11.200 And so I'll never forget that day when we went 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.560 to shoot the show and we kept everybody sequestered, so 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.280 no one really had a chance to see each other 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.479 or talk except for when they came on stage and 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.720 we taped the show no audience, which I did love. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.320 But what I found interesting is, you know, when I 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.159 say I felt like I wasn't fully baked as a host, 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:32.000 as a producer, I really was taking my cues from 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:37.360 those above me. I wasn't maybe I wasn't strong enough 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.960 independent enough at that time to dictate how the show 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:46.160 would go. Whereas later in further seasons, as we went 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.000 further and further, even like with Ari and his big switch. 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.479 I was able to control that situation and help Ari. 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.920 I actually talked to him off the air. I would 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.360 counsel him and make sure this is what you want 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.560 to do, because this is what's about to happen. And 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.960 we would have those lengthy conversations off air, dealing with 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.000 the humanity of it all, because at the end of 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.480 the day, these are human beings actually going through something, 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.960 whereas with Jason, it was more plug and play, like, okay, host, enter, 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.920 host this show, do this interview, and you know, personally, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.760 I guess I should apologize to Jason as we talked 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.520 today and Molly, I wasn't. They didn't get my a 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:32.479 game because I wasn't there yet. I hadn't been through 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.599 so many battles on the show to where I could 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.359 demand things. I could see things coming a mile away. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.760 I knew the pitfalls, I knew the hurdles they were 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.680 going to be falling over. I didn't know that then 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.640 because the famous line, you don't know what you don't know, right, 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.159 how can you? And so we all went through it together, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:56.080 which made it incredibly dramatic and it shook me. It 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:01.719 was a very difficult show to host. It was uncomfortable, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.520 and at the end of the day, it worked. And 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.240 that's the crazy part and maybe that makes it even 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:14.640 more dramatic, is that Jason and Molly got happily married, 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.960 have children and have this beautiful life together. And when 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.359 we asked who you guys most wanted to hear from, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.599 it was pretty overwhelming that it was Jason and Molly. 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.119 And joining me now is the infamous Jason and Molly 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.120 from I believe they're in Kirkland, you guys up in Washington. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:37.840 Yeah, we are the. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:39.640 Home of Kirkland signature toilet paper. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.800 You guys, you make so much more. I mean, you're 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.440 making golf balls now, golf clubs. Do you know where 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.080 the rotisserie chickens come from? Is that up there? 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.000 Yeah? I actually just saw an article about their rotes 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.760 three chickens yesterday. Yeah, must be from up here. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.880 How many mini chickens are killing every day? Yeah? 0:06:58.880 --> 0:06:59.240 Exactly. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.240 No, But you know what, and we totally digress here, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.840 but I read this article that how bad that those 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.440 damn chickens are for you? Those are tissary chickens. Yeah, 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.960 there's like fifty different ingredients in a rotisserie chicken. I'm like, oh, great. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.760 Thanks for ruining. Is there anything that's not getting ruined 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.120 these days all? 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:19.360 And why are they so little? 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:24.600 Why they are so little? That is a debate for 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:29.360 another day and another show on the most Costco episode ever. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.360 But you guys are up there living your life. And 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.840 we were delayed just a minute because Mollie, you were 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.120 running Riley to school. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.720 Yep, her first day of fifth grade today. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.600 Oh my gosh, today's the first day of school, first day. 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.600 Of school for us. We're late. We're always after Labor Day. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.000 That's by the way, it's not late, it's that's on time. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:51.760 Yeah, I guess it is on time. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.040 Shame on the rest of the world for going to 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.840 school in August, Like what an a whole thing to do? 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.040 Seriously, like Rooney summer. 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:07.320 It's miserably hot. It's stupid. When I moved my kids 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:12.520 into TCU, it's one hundred and forty nine degrees in humid, right, 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:17.840 and humid, and you're just so gross and sweaty and disgusting. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.280 And even the football game and look, the football game 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.520 sucked on its own this week where they lost to Colorado. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.080 Thanks Ryan Sutter, by the way, for just constantly texting 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.680 me during that game and rubbing it in. But it's 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.040 miserable at the football games like University. This is no joke. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.160 University of Texas this weekend they played Rice. The female 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.240 sideline reporter said she had one of those infrared scanners. 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.200 Said it was one hundred and sixty five degrees. 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:43.840 On the field. 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.840 But how did they even practice? Yeah, that's like neat. 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.640 So my point is, you're right, it should A school 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.040 should start after September first, after Labor Day. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:54.480 Let it. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.960 We can go later in the year. It's pretty in May, 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.200 it's fine. That really move in sucks when it's one 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.960 hundred and ninety degrees. So first day of fifth grade, yep, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.680 that is are we what twelve ten? 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.880 She'll be eleven this year, but she's like big man 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.600 on campus now because next year it's middle school. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.520 So she's she's still in the twenty fifth percentile. So 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:16.200 she's very. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:22.320 Yes, tiny, but she doesn't know it. No, but mighty, 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.439 she has her fire. What is fifth grade? 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:26.760 Like? 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.199 What is that? What was going to school? 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:29.400 Like? 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.920 What was is her attitude this morning? 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:33.200 Well, she's got a little click. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.800 Yeah, she's got a group of six girls. Jason is 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.360 going through an interesting transition and phase in his life 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.439 right now where we took Tie to college. So now 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.360 he's outnumbered by the girls in his household. Interesting, and 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.360 he's dying. She's dying. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.319 It's been like fourteen days, but it's been feel like 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:50.240 it's fourteen years. 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.080 Yeah, there's a lot of drama, a lot of hormones. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.720 I you know, it's funny I remember that because you know, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.559 my son is a senior. So four years ago when 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.640 I took him, there were you know, two more years 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.240 with my daughter, and it was just the two and 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.600 I was separated, already divorced well into it at that time, 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:08.680 so all of a sudden, it was just the two 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.920 of us, and it was a very interesting dynamic. We've 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.400 i will say, it forced us to be closer together, 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.160 which is wonderful. And I'm sure that'll happen to you too. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.880 But yeah, it's it's a different dynamic when you had 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.559 the escape of oh my boys, here, we're gonna go 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.920 to lacrosse game, We're gonna go to whatever that's gone. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.560 Yeah, I mean, yeah, Jason Stein, like Sunday is normally 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.920 football Sunday, and now it's like dance. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.560 Mom Sunday and Petties for you the worst show of 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:36.120 all time. 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.800 Mollie will like let her watch that, but won't let 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.640 her watch like Harry Potter, And I'm like. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.120 Harry Potter, but I'm like, you know, Dance Moms is 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:46.360 it is really bad? 0:10:46.520 --> 0:11:10.640 The people ever, Yeah. 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.280 You know, it's funny. So I in introing you guys 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:08.319 what struck me when I was reading back? I didn't 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.280 remember it being so late into the show, like this 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:13.760 is two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, so 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.440 the show had been on for seven years. It was 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.520 only the fourth bachelorette that you were on, but you 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.440 were the thirteenth, fourteenth bachelor. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:22.000 Yeah, thirteen. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:23.680 How many is it now? Do we know? 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:24.360 One hundred? 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.040 No, you know, it's funny. Even when I was on 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.880 the show and I cared, I never I never remembered, 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:32.640 like when they're like, oh, how many bachelors, I'm like, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.760 I don't know, like someone's keeping track. I remembered years. 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.480 I knew, you know, I did it for go. I 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.840 was going on the twentieth year, and I actually wanted 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:42.640 to make it to twenty years. And then I was 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.920 honestly quite fine no matter what happened. But I went 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.840 nineteen and a half or whatever. That's how I remembered it, 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.200 because you know, for a while. And that's why when 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:55.240 I said, you were what thirteen or fourteen? Oh, apparently 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.200 I'm being told by my my intrepid producer Kendall that 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.719 we've done twenty eight or they're about to twenty eight, 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.199 so they've done twenty seven. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.679 Yeah, But do you remember, like if you don't remember names, 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.640 can you remember like I remember somebody or somebody like, 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.760 do you remember like the order, not a specific order, 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.440 but can you go like, hey, Ari was after Jason 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.439 or Diana, I was before so and so. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:19.840 For sure, you know what you know. What I have 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:25.120 trouble with what I forget is I vividly remember you 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.000 being the Bachelor. I do not remember you being on 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:30.839 Deanna season. If you put a gun to my head 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:34.520 and said, you know Jason, I was like, oh, yeah, no, Jason, Molly, Melissa, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.400 the whole thing. I get it. Jillian, I remember, I 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.880 even remember the women from the show. And I remember 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.280 we were in New Zealand. I remember traveling. It was 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:46.360 a great season of travel. I don't remember where you 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.520 came from the Genesis story. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:51.679 Well, you know, it's funny because I think there were 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.840 so many times back then where they would I remember 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.120 several times where I wanted to say something on camera 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.040 and then somebody would come to me and they'd be like, no, no, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.480 don't say anything, like we need you to be quiet 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:02.880 and good. 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:04.240 When you were on the Bachelor and I was on 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:04.880 the Bachelorette. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.640 Oh well they wanted they were I thought, muting me 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:09.240 or whatever. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.480 It's all the same, No, I I remember very early on. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.920 And again something I also admitted to was, you know, 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.360 y'all didn't get the best of me. And I felt 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.920 terrible about that because when we all went through everything, 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.360 I wasn't fully baked as a producer and as a 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.880 host and as a friend. When I went through basically 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.440 the same thing with Ari, I was so much better 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.559 equipped to be a friend. And like I talked to 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.760 him so much off the air. He would call me 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.440 and I'm like, okay, man, this is what I know 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.040 for sure you're going to go through because my other 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.880 friend Jason went through this and it was it was 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:45.480 a lot, and so I was able to have those 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.760 conversations with you guys. It wasn't at a spite or malice. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.080 I just it was all new to me, and I 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.440 also just admitted that it was the most dramatic thing. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.520 When I say, you know, the most dramatic, I would 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.680 always throw that out. This was actually it for me 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.360 to this day, for me too, yeah, I'm sure, but 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.920 I mean to this day that shook me the most 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.640 because I was just I in a whole different way, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.600 was going through it as well as something new, and 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.559 so I just I wasn't equipped to handle you guys 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:17.560 as well as I should have. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.880 You remember when we were sitting on set and I 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.600 can't remember this is like when Molly came out and 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.520 Molly and I wanted to be like, hey, we're going 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.040 to try to go out and get to know each 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.240 other afterwards, and you were like okay, okay, okay, and 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.760 then your little buzz in your air here was like 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.320 they want you to kiss Jason, to give you a 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.440 rose Molly, and We're like, not gonna happen them. But 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:46.320 then they were like the stage and You're like. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.920 Well, I don't know how to tell you guys, I'm 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:55.080 not getting a paycheck until this happens. And that's what 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:59.160 I'm talking about. There were those moments when much later 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.720 and actually it was a point of contention and part 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:07.440 of the mess that dissolved me from the show. I 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.880 got to the point where I could dictate, I could 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.480 hear things. They would tell me to do things, tell 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.400 me to say things, which isn't a bad thing. I'm 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.960 not putting this on the producers because that's just normal. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.440 I am the filter, and I learned to be the filter, 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.360 and I learned to be a good filter of No, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.200 these are human beings. I know this person. I'm not 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.720 going to do that. And then I would, you know, 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.920 subsequently subsequently get in a knocked out, drag out fight 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.840 with certain people about disobeying or whatever. But I was 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.200 fine with that. I'm like, I didn't mind picking those 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:42.400 hills with you guys. If they said, hey, no matter 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.760 how how stupid and dumb the idea is of like, hey, 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.520 give her a rose and make out with her, I 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.640 would say that, and I probably and I did say 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.080 that to you guys, And that's that was really a 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.120 bad idea because the moment didn't need that. And that's 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.560 my producer mind as well is my human being behind 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.600 of we didn't need that. We already had so much 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:05.320 that day. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.920 You, Chris is your I love this version of Chris like, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.760 we it's so funny as we've left the show and 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.720 we you know, you're friends with producers while you're on it, 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.680 and then they leave the show and they reach out 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.240 to you and they're like, we really fed that up. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:24.040 I'm sorry. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.800 Like everyone realizes once they're out of it how bad 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:28.800 it is when they were in it. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.480 Oh well, except for like I'm not going to name 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.160 any names, but remember we were having lunch with a producer, yes, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.400 and this is after everything, and I was like, dude, 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.160 is a mail And I was like, how do you 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.600 live with yourself with all the stuff that you need 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.720 to ask us to do? And he said, verbatim, yeah, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.640 I will never forget this. If they don't know what 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.720 they're getting into by now, it's their own fault. And 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.960 I was like, oh well, I said, like I kind 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.680 of knew what I was getting into, but I didn't 0:16:55.760 --> 0:17:00.320 know how the producers interact with us. Yeah. I was 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.840 like that dude hasn't gotten over it yet. 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:03.080 Not yet. 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.960 Well, and that was the issue I had, And again 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:10.479 it it got to the point where you know, I 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.080 was not a yes man anymore, and yours was kind 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.760 of that tipping point for me. Of like, I need 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.560 to be more involved and I can't just be a 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.280 patsy for this, and I can't just repeat what's said 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.720 to me or carry out these orders because I spent 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:28.000 so much time with you and I knew you were 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.679 human beings and I'm trying to facilitate this. Yeah, I'm 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.399 trying to make TV, and yeah, we can make it 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:36.720 dramatic and good. But at the same time, I disagree 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.679 with that statement that they said, I don't think you 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.119 fully know what you're getting into. Sure, you're signing up 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.359 for something you think the action adventure. You know there 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.000 might be some tears and heartbreak or whatever, but you 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:49.800 don't fully know until you get in there. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.760 Yeah, I said the same thing. I'm like, dude, I like, 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.760 I knew that it was gonna be weird and I 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.879 was gonna learn how they make a TV show, But 0:17:58.800 --> 0:17:59.480 I didn't think. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.040 You really know how bad it is. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:02.639 Yes, I mean bad. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.159 We're I mean we're we will never like bite the 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:06.200 hand that feeds us, you. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.360 Know, like we're shoe on that hand, croud that. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.479 To be a part of the show or whatever, but 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.600 we're happy to now be very removed. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.320 Well, and as am I by the way, and I've 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.520 said this a million times, I'll say it again. The 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.639 show changed my life and it was a wonderful for 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.080 the most part. Obviously, there's always things in every job 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:24.879 that aren't great, and there's people that aren't great. But 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.479 for the most part, it was an amazing experience. I mean, 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.239 the reason I'm talking to you two and y'all are 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.480 friends of mine is because of the show, and so 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:33.520 I have so many things to be grateful for. It 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.760 changed my kids' lives, so there's a lot of love there. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.919 There's just things, like in any anything you do for 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.280 twenty years that you care about, it's going to evolve 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:42.960 and change. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.160 The biggest change he's heard was he said, y'all, I've y'all. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.240 There's a lot of Austin Texas in me. Now it's 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.119 come back. For sure, it's come back. There's always you know, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.440 there's always been a y'all in my vocabulary. It's now 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.959 two syllables. There's a y'all. It's like there's a subtle, 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.920 too syllable change there. That's when it starts to draw out. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.760 But I and I remember, and I guess this is 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.040 what hit me too, Like I knew you guys were 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.200 very intimate leading up to that final day in New Zealand. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.440 To me, that struck me. I'm like, these are two 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:23.000 people that are truly making love and trying to find 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.600 love and all you get read yeah, and we're shooting 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.600 this and so I don't want to make this weird. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.800 And trust me, I never watched, but there's there's thing, 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:36.159 There's there are reasons I know, but it was just 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.119 to me there it was just this point in the 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.000 show that just hit me when all of this happened, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.440 and it was kind of this come to Jesus moment 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.000 for me of like, Okay, you need to be different 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.680 because this is real and these people really are going 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:50.120 through this. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:51.119 Well. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.560 The funniest thing for me, like we never spent a 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.719 ton of time together on the show because you like 0:19:56.040 --> 0:20:01.040 fly in, fly out, right, But I remember after Jason 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.399 had sent me home and I was still in New Zealand, 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.520 and I drank an entire bottle of vodka that night 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:09.200 to get over it. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.080 And the next time, yeah. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.760 And then they were putting me on a plane the 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.520 next morning and at the little teeny teeny tiny New 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.000 Zealand airport. I think it was maybe even a private 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:19.520 plane to get you to another airport. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:20.400 I had to go to Auckland. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.399