Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison here in the home office in Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: and I have a great show for you today because
Speaker 1: it's a show that you have asked for, that many
Speaker 1: of you have asked for, and that is sitting down
Speaker 1: and talking to Jason Mesnik and his wife Molly. Jason
Speaker 1: and Molly, who were on the show, met on the
Speaker 1: show in easily one of the most infamous and yes,
Speaker 1: dramatic moments ever. When people would ask me, you know,
Speaker 1: as I often got asked in interviews or what have you,
Speaker 1: even on the street, when people would say, okay, dramatic guy,
Speaker 1: what really is the most dramatic moment ever in the
Speaker 1: history of the show. I would always say it was Jason,
Speaker 1: Molly and Melissa. If you don't know Jason Mesnick was on,
Speaker 1: I believe it was the fourth season of The Bachelorette
Speaker 1: Deanna pappas he got to the finals of that season,
Speaker 1: the final two. I think it was him and a
Speaker 1: guy named Jesse Sinsak who ended up with Dianna for
Speaker 1: a short amount of time. But if you remember, and
Speaker 1: if not, I know you have to go back in
Speaker 1: the in the black and white footage, but Jason was
Speaker 1: preparing to get down on one knee and proposed to
Speaker 1: Deanna when she stopped him, and she sent him home,
Speaker 1: and he later became our fourteenth bachelor. This is back
Speaker 1: in like two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: so this is a while ago. You know, It's funny.
Speaker 1: In my mind, I remember Jason is the infancy of
Speaker 1: the show in very early days. But in preparing for
Speaker 1: this podcast with Jason Andmaly today, it struck me that
Speaker 1: it was two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: The show began in two thousand and two, so we
Speaker 1: were seven years into it. I felt so young. And
Speaker 1: when I mean I felt young, I just mean my
Speaker 1: innocence and maybe the show's innocence and my involvement in
Speaker 1: the show was young, and it hadn't been fully baked yet,
Speaker 1: I guess. And so when this moment happened, when we
Speaker 1: got to the end of the season, Jason became the bachelor,
Speaker 1: and it was a great season. It was kind of
Speaker 1: a you know, we always have a theme, right, it
Speaker 1: was the Sleepless in Seattle. He's from Seattle. We even
Speaker 1: rented the house. It's not a houseboat, but it's you
Speaker 1: know the houses that are on the water there in Seattle.
Speaker 1: We rented one of those like that like you see
Speaker 1: in the movie with Tom Hanks and Meg Brian and
Speaker 1: his son. Tie was kind of a part of the show.
Speaker 1: And at the time I will talk about this, but Tie,
Speaker 1: I think was four or five years old, and so
Speaker 1: you know, we had a single dad, which was a
Speaker 1: first for us as well. It was very emotional and
Speaker 1: Jason was really you know, he wore his heart on
Speaker 1: his sleeve. What you see is what you get with him,
Speaker 1: which is why I enjoy talking to him. But his
Speaker 1: season came down to Melissa and Mollie, and at the
Speaker 1: end of the day in New Zealand, where his finale was,
Speaker 1: he chose Melissa, and quickly things unraveled. It didn't go well,
Speaker 1: and that's when Jason said, I would like another shot
Speaker 1: with Mollie. In my heart, I want to be with Molly.
Speaker 1: So you have to kind of put in perspective when
Speaker 1: I say this was the most dramatic moment of all time.
Speaker 1: This had never happened before. This was new in reality TV.
Speaker 1: It was new for the Bachelor and Bacheorette. I had
Speaker 1: never experienced anything like this. The producers, the creators, the executives,
Speaker 1: nobody had dealt with anything like this before. And when
Speaker 1: you're dealing with a first it's crazy because you're just
Speaker 1: trying to You're trying to make good TV, of course,
Speaker 1: but you're trying to do what's right. You're trying to
Speaker 1: make everybody happy. You're trying to actually make this work
Speaker 1: because it behooves us to actually make it work, but
Speaker 1: you're trying to do it also in dramatic fashion for television.
Speaker 1: And so I'll never forget that day when we went
Speaker 1: to shoot the show and we kept everybody sequestered, so
Speaker 1: no one really had a chance to see each other
Speaker 1: or talk except for when they came on stage and
Speaker 1: we taped the show no audience, which I did love.
Speaker 1: But what I found interesting is, you know, when I
Speaker 1: say I felt like I wasn't fully baked as a host,
Speaker 1: as a producer, I really was taking my cues from
Speaker 1: those above me. I wasn't maybe I wasn't strong enough
Speaker 1: independent enough at that time to dictate how the show
Speaker 1: would go. Whereas later in further seasons, as we went
Speaker 1: further and further, even like with Ari and his big switch.
Speaker 1: I was able to control that situation and help Ari.
Speaker 1: I actually talked to him off the air. I would
Speaker 1: counsel him and make sure this is what you want
Speaker 1: to do, because this is what's about to happen. And
Speaker 1: we would have those lengthy conversations off air, dealing with
Speaker 1: the humanity of it all, because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, these are human beings actually going through something,
Speaker 1: whereas with Jason, it was more plug and play, like, okay, host, enter,
Speaker 1: host this show, do this interview, and you know, personally,
Speaker 1: I guess I should apologize to Jason as we talked
Speaker 1: today and Molly, I wasn't. They didn't get my a
Speaker 1: game because I wasn't there yet. I hadn't been through
Speaker 1: so many battles on the show to where I could
Speaker 1: demand things. I could see things coming a mile away.
Speaker 1: I knew the pitfalls, I knew the hurdles they were
Speaker 1: going to be falling over. I didn't know that then
Speaker 1: because the famous line, you don't know what you don't know, right,
Speaker 1: how can you? And so we all went through it together,
Speaker 1: which made it incredibly dramatic and it shook me. It
Speaker 1: was a very difficult show to host. It was uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, it worked. And
Speaker 1: that's the crazy part and maybe that makes it even
Speaker 1: more dramatic, is that Jason and Molly got happily married,
Speaker 1: have children and have this beautiful life together. And when
Speaker 1: we asked who you guys most wanted to hear from,
Speaker 1: it was pretty overwhelming that it was Jason and Molly.
Speaker 1: And joining me now is the infamous Jason and Molly
Speaker 1: from I believe they're in Kirkland, you guys up in Washington.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are the.
Speaker 3: Home of Kirkland signature toilet paper.
Speaker 1: You guys, you make so much more. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: making golf balls now, golf clubs. Do you know where
Speaker 1: the rotisserie chickens come from? Is that up there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I actually just saw an article about their rotes
Speaker 2: three chickens yesterday. Yeah, must be from up here.
Speaker 3: How many mini chickens are killing every day? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 1: No, But you know what, and we totally digress here,
Speaker 1: but I read this article that how bad that those
Speaker 1: damn chickens are for you? Those are tissary chickens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like fifty different ingredients in a rotisserie chicken. I'm like, oh, great.
Speaker 1: Thanks for ruining. Is there anything that's not getting ruined
Speaker 1: these days all?
Speaker 3: And why are they so little?
Speaker 1: Why they are so little? That is a debate for
Speaker 1: another day and another show on the most Costco episode ever.
Speaker 1: But you guys are up there living your life. And
Speaker 1: we were delayed just a minute because Mollie, you were
Speaker 1: running Riley to school.
Speaker 2: Yep, her first day of fifth grade today.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, today's the first day of school, first day.
Speaker 2: Of school for us. We're late. We're always after Labor Day.
Speaker 1: That's by the way, it's not late, it's that's on time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it is on time.
Speaker 1: Shame on the rest of the world for going to
Speaker 1: school in August, Like what an a whole thing to do?
Speaker 2: Seriously, like Rooney summer.
Speaker 1: It's miserably hot. It's stupid. When I moved my kids
Speaker 1: into TCU, it's one hundred and forty nine degrees in humid, right,
Speaker 1: and humid, and you're just so gross and sweaty and disgusting.
Speaker 1: And even the football game and look, the football game
Speaker 1: sucked on its own this week where they lost to Colorado.
Speaker 1: Thanks Ryan Sutter, by the way, for just constantly texting
Speaker 1: me during that game and rubbing it in. But it's
Speaker 1: miserable at the football games like University. This is no joke.
Speaker 1: University of Texas this weekend they played Rice. The female
Speaker 1: sideline reporter said she had one of those infrared scanners.
Speaker 1: Said it was one hundred and sixty five degrees.
Speaker 2: On the field.
Speaker 3: But how did they even practice? Yeah, that's like neat.
Speaker 1: So my point is, you're right, it should A school
Speaker 1: should start after September first, after Labor Day.
Speaker 2: Let it.
Speaker 1: We can go later in the year. It's pretty in May,
Speaker 1: it's fine. That really move in sucks when it's one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety degrees. So first day of fifth grade, yep,
Speaker 1: that is are we what twelve ten?
Speaker 2: She'll be eleven this year, but she's like big man
Speaker 2: on campus now because next year it's middle school.
Speaker 3: So she's she's still in the twenty fifth percentile. So
Speaker 3: she's very.
Speaker 1: Yes, tiny, but she doesn't know it. No, but mighty,
Speaker 1: she has her fire. What is fifth grade?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What is that? What was going to school?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What was is her attitude this morning?
Speaker 3: Well, she's got a little click.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got a group of six girls. Jason is
Speaker 2: going through an interesting transition and phase in his life
Speaker 2: right now where we took Tie to college. So now
Speaker 2: he's outnumbered by the girls in his household. Interesting, and
Speaker 2: he's dying. She's dying.
Speaker 3: It's been like fourteen days, but it's been feel like
Speaker 3: it's fourteen years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of drama, a lot of hormones.
Speaker 1: I you know, it's funny I remember that because you know,
Speaker 1: my son is a senior. So four years ago when
Speaker 1: I took him, there were you know, two more years
Speaker 1: with my daughter, and it was just the two and
Speaker 1: I was separated, already divorced well into it at that time,
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, it was just the two
Speaker 1: of us, and it was a very interesting dynamic. We've
Speaker 1: i will say, it forced us to be closer together,
Speaker 1: which is wonderful. And I'm sure that'll happen to you too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's a different dynamic when you had
Speaker 1: the escape of oh my boys, here, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: to lacrosse game, We're gonna go to whatever that's gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, Jason Stein, like Sunday is normally
Speaker 2: football Sunday, and now it's like dance.
Speaker 1: Mom Sunday and Petties for you the worst show of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 3: Mollie will like let her watch that, but won't let
Speaker 3: her watch like Harry Potter, And I'm like.
Speaker 2: Harry Potter, but I'm like, you know, Dance Moms is
Speaker 2: it is really bad?
Speaker 4: The people ever, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. So I in introing you guys
Speaker 1: what struck me when I was reading back? I didn't
Speaker 1: remember it being so late into the show, like this
Speaker 1: is two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, so
Speaker 1: the show had been on for seven years. It was
Speaker 1: only the fourth bachelorette that you were on, but you
Speaker 1: were the thirteenth, fourteenth bachelor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirteen.
Speaker 3: How many is it now? Do we know?
Speaker 2: One hundred?
Speaker 1: No, you know, it's funny. Even when I was on
Speaker 1: the show and I cared, I never I never remembered,
Speaker 1: like when they're like, oh, how many bachelors, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like someone's keeping track. I remembered years.
Speaker 1: I knew, you know, I did it for go. I
Speaker 1: was going on the twentieth year, and I actually wanted
Speaker 1: to make it to twenty years. And then I was
Speaker 1: honestly quite fine no matter what happened. But I went
Speaker 1: nineteen and a half or whatever. That's how I remembered it,
Speaker 1: because you know, for a while. And that's why when
Speaker 1: I said, you were what thirteen or fourteen? Oh, apparently
Speaker 1: I'm being told by my my intrepid producer Kendall that
Speaker 1: we've done twenty eight or they're about to twenty eight,
Speaker 1: so they've done twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But do you remember, like if you don't remember names,
Speaker 3: can you remember like I remember somebody or somebody like,
Speaker 3: do you remember like the order, not a specific order,
Speaker 3: but can you go like, hey, Ari was after Jason
Speaker 3: or Diana, I was before so and so.
Speaker 1: For sure, you know what you know. What I have
Speaker 1: trouble with what I forget is I vividly remember you
Speaker 1: being the Bachelor. I do not remember you being on
Speaker 1: Deanna season. If you put a gun to my head
Speaker 1: and said, you know Jason, I was like, oh, yeah, no, Jason, Molly, Melissa,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I get it. Jillian, I remember, I
Speaker 1: even remember the women from the show. And I remember
Speaker 1: we were in New Zealand. I remember traveling. It was
Speaker 1: a great season of travel. I don't remember where you
Speaker 1: came from the Genesis story.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny because I think there were
Speaker 3: so many times back then where they would I remember
Speaker 3: several times where I wanted to say something on camera
Speaker 3: and then somebody would come to me and they'd be like, no, no,
Speaker 3: don't say anything, like we need you to be quiet
Speaker 3: and good.
Speaker 2: When you were on the Bachelor and I was on
Speaker 2: the Bachelorette.
Speaker 3: Oh well they wanted they were I thought, muting me
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's all the same, No, I I remember very early on.
Speaker 1: And again something I also admitted to was, you know,
Speaker 1: y'all didn't get the best of me. And I felt
Speaker 1: terrible about that because when we all went through everything,
Speaker 1: I wasn't fully baked as a producer and as a
Speaker 1: host and as a friend. When I went through basically
Speaker 1: the same thing with Ari, I was so much better
Speaker 1: equipped to be a friend. And like I talked to
Speaker 1: him so much off the air. He would call me
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, man, this is what I know
Speaker 1: for sure you're going to go through because my other
Speaker 1: friend Jason went through this and it was it was
Speaker 1: a lot, and so I was able to have those
Speaker 1: conversations with you guys. It wasn't at a spite or malice.
Speaker 1: I just it was all new to me, and I
Speaker 1: also just admitted that it was the most dramatic thing.
Speaker 1: When I say, you know, the most dramatic, I would
Speaker 1: always throw that out. This was actually it for me
Speaker 1: to this day, for me too, yeah, I'm sure, but
Speaker 1: I mean to this day that shook me the most
Speaker 1: because I was just I in a whole different way,
Speaker 1: was going through it as well as something new, and
Speaker 1: so I just I wasn't equipped to handle you guys
Speaker 1: as well as I should have.
Speaker 3: You remember when we were sitting on set and I
Speaker 3: can't remember this is like when Molly came out and
Speaker 3: Molly and I wanted to be like, hey, we're going
Speaker 3: to try to go out and get to know each
Speaker 3: other afterwards, and you were like okay, okay, okay, and
Speaker 3: then your little buzz in your air here was like
Speaker 3: they want you to kiss Jason, to give you a
Speaker 3: rose Molly, and We're like, not gonna happen them. But
Speaker 3: then they were like the stage and You're like.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know how to tell you guys, I'm
Speaker 1: not getting a paycheck until this happens. And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. There were those moments when much later
Speaker 1: and actually it was a point of contention and part
Speaker 1: of the mess that dissolved me from the show. I
Speaker 1: got to the point where I could dictate, I could
Speaker 1: hear things. They would tell me to do things, tell
Speaker 1: me to say things, which isn't a bad thing. I'm
Speaker 1: not putting this on the producers because that's just normal.
Speaker 1: I am the filter, and I learned to be the filter,
Speaker 1: and I learned to be a good filter of No,
Speaker 1: these are human beings. I know this person. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do that. And then I would, you know,
Speaker 1: subsequently subsequently get in a knocked out, drag out fight
Speaker 1: with certain people about disobeying or whatever. But I was
Speaker 1: fine with that. I'm like, I didn't mind picking those
Speaker 1: hills with you guys. If they said, hey, no matter
Speaker 1: how how stupid and dumb the idea is of like, hey,
Speaker 1: give her a rose and make out with her, I
Speaker 1: would say that, and I probably and I did say
Speaker 1: that to you guys, And that's that was really a
Speaker 1: bad idea because the moment didn't need that. And that's
Speaker 1: my producer mind as well is my human being behind
Speaker 1: of we didn't need that. We already had so much
Speaker 1: that day.
Speaker 2: You, Chris is your I love this version of Chris like,
Speaker 2: we it's so funny as we've left the show and
Speaker 2: we you know, you're friends with producers while you're on it,
Speaker 2: and then they leave the show and they reach out
Speaker 2: to you and they're like, we really fed that up.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Like everyone realizes once they're out of it how bad
Speaker 2: it is when they were in it.
Speaker 3: Oh well, except for like I'm not going to name
Speaker 3: any names, but remember we were having lunch with a producer, yes,
Speaker 3: and this is after everything, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: is a mail And I was like, how do you
Speaker 3: live with yourself with all the stuff that you need
Speaker 3: to ask us to do? And he said, verbatim, yeah,
Speaker 3: I will never forget this. If they don't know what
Speaker 3: they're getting into by now, it's their own fault. And
Speaker 3: I was like, oh well, I said, like I kind
Speaker 3: of knew what I was getting into, but I didn't
Speaker 3: know how the producers interact with us. Yeah. I was
Speaker 3: like that dude hasn't gotten over it yet.
Speaker 4: Not yet.
Speaker 1: Well, and that was the issue I had, And again
Speaker 1: it it got to the point where you know, I
Speaker 1: was not a yes man anymore, and yours was kind
Speaker 1: of that tipping point for me. Of like, I need
Speaker 1: to be more involved and I can't just be a
Speaker 1: patsy for this, and I can't just repeat what's said
Speaker 1: to me or carry out these orders because I spent
Speaker 1: so much time with you and I knew you were
Speaker 1: human beings and I'm trying to facilitate this. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to make TV, and yeah, we can make it
Speaker 1: dramatic and good. But at the same time, I disagree
Speaker 1: with that statement that they said, I don't think you
Speaker 1: fully know what you're getting into. Sure, you're signing up
Speaker 1: for something you think the action adventure. You know there
Speaker 1: might be some tears and heartbreak or whatever, but you
Speaker 1: don't fully know until you get in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said the same thing. I'm like, dude, I like,
Speaker 3: I knew that it was gonna be weird and I
Speaker 3: was gonna learn how they make a TV show, But
Speaker 3: I didn't think.
Speaker 2: You really know how bad it is.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean bad.
Speaker 2: We're I mean we're we will never like bite the
Speaker 2: hand that feeds us, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like we're shoe on that hand, croud that.
Speaker 2: To be a part of the show or whatever, but
Speaker 2: we're happy to now be very removed.
Speaker 1: Well, and as am I by the way, and I've
Speaker 1: said this a million times, I'll say it again. The
Speaker 1: show changed my life and it was a wonderful for
Speaker 1: the most part. Obviously, there's always things in every job
Speaker 1: that aren't great, and there's people that aren't great. But
Speaker 1: for the most part, it was an amazing experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: the reason I'm talking to you two and y'all are
Speaker 1: friends of mine is because of the show, and so
Speaker 1: I have so many things to be grateful for. It
Speaker 1: changed my kids' lives, so there's a lot of love there.
Speaker 1: There's just things, like in any anything you do for
Speaker 1: twenty years that you care about, it's going to evolve
Speaker 1: and change.
Speaker 3: The biggest change he's heard was he said, y'all, I've y'all.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Austin Texas in me. Now it's
Speaker 1: come back. For sure, it's come back. There's always you know,
Speaker 1: there's always been a y'all in my vocabulary. It's now
Speaker 1: two syllables. There's a y'all. It's like there's a subtle,
Speaker 1: too syllable change there. That's when it starts to draw out.
Speaker 1: But I and I remember, and I guess this is
Speaker 1: what hit me too, Like I knew you guys were
Speaker 1: very intimate leading up to that final day in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: To me, that struck me. I'm like, these are two
Speaker 1: people that are truly making love and trying to find
Speaker 1: love and all you get read yeah, and we're shooting
Speaker 1: this and so I don't want to make this weird.
Speaker 1: And trust me, I never watched, but there's there's thing,
Speaker 1: There's there are reasons I know, but it was just
Speaker 1: to me there it was just this point in the
Speaker 1: show that just hit me when all of this happened,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of this come to Jesus moment
Speaker 1: for me of like, Okay, you need to be different
Speaker 1: because this is real and these people really are going
Speaker 1: through this.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: The funniest thing for me, like we never spent a
Speaker 2: ton of time together on the show because you like
Speaker 2: fly in, fly out, right, But I remember after Jason
Speaker 2: had sent me home and I was still in New Zealand,
Speaker 2: and I drank an entire bottle of vodka that night
Speaker 2: to get over it.
Speaker 3: And the next time, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then they were putting me on a plane the
Speaker 2: next morning and at the little teeny teeny tiny New
Speaker 2: Zealand airport. I think it was maybe even a private
Speaker 2: plane to get you to another airport.
Speaker 1: I had to go to Auckland.
Speaker 2: There you were there and I see you and you
Speaker 2: just look at me and you're like, are you okay?
Speaker 3: And I just.
Speaker 2: Broke down and started sobbing, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: No, that's the only time she's ever cried in her life.
Speaker 1: I tend to make people cry. I remember that we
Speaker 1: were down. We were up at the Bay of Islands
Speaker 1: is where we finished. I believe we finished your show.
Speaker 1: We went to Queenstown, then we went up to Bay
Speaker 1: of Islands, and then we had to fly that small
Speaker 1: plane back to Auckland before we get on that twelve
Speaker 1: hour flight home. And so yeah, I would fly. I
Speaker 1: flew with you, and I'm like, there was and I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, there was that moment of like, oh crap,
Speaker 1: like because I never knew who's on my plane or not.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, like what am I going to say?
Speaker 1: Like you know, I just you're wonderful.
Speaker 2: You gave me a hug.
Speaker 1: I care, Like that's the thing people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: how do you do this? Like it's because I care.
Speaker 1: The worst thing in the world is at the end
Speaker 1: of the show, I knew, like even for Jason when
Speaker 1: I knew he was going to go in and propose
Speaker 1: to Deanna, and I'm like, oh, crap, like this is
Speaker 1: you know, she's picking the snowboarder.
Speaker 3: Dude, you know what happened? Like I'm like, I've told
Speaker 3: this story before. So like as I'm pulling away after
Speaker 3: proposing to her snowboarders, Jesse's pulling in and our cars
Speaker 3: had to stop. No, like, hey, uh, can you give
Speaker 3: Jesse either the ring box because like we don't have
Speaker 3: another ring box. And at the time there was like
Speaker 3: an emotional connection, but I was.
Speaker 1: Like, dude, shut up, damn freaking.
Speaker 3: Show, Like are they doing this on purpose? Are they
Speaker 3: really that dumb?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I could I watched Jason propose to Melissa.
Speaker 2: I could see it from my hotel room.
Speaker 1: Oh that's I mean, that's stuff we do to people
Speaker 1: in Guantanamo Bay. That's like, that's like special Forces torture stuff.
Speaker 1: Did we waterboard you? Like what was next? And that's
Speaker 1: that is the humanity that sometimes gets lost where and
Speaker 1: again I have to give a little leniency to some
Speaker 1: of these producers because all they're thinking is, oh, crap,
Speaker 1: we have to get this neo layne box shot. We
Speaker 1: only have one box and oh god, Jason has it.
Speaker 1: So some PA yells to some intern PA who's like,
Speaker 1: you know, sheepishly goes, hey, man, they don't, they don't,
Speaker 1: they don't know there's they're so young and they don't
Speaker 1: they don't have any idea. They're just trying to do
Speaker 1: a job, and they forget that these are human beings
Speaker 1: that just got broken up with and back in the day,
Speaker 1: and you guys were in the in this era. I
Speaker 1: call back in the day, Well, we are old. I
Speaker 1: am just know, I'm always going to be older than you.
Speaker 1: It's okay. But you know, look we were only seven
Speaker 1: years into it and it was still pretty i will say, innocent, naive,
Speaker 1: you know, like social media hadn't exploded. But there was
Speaker 1: also this toxicity behind the scenes where there were no
Speaker 1: rules like there is. The level of professionalism was maybe
Speaker 1: at a.
Speaker 2: One, I mean a thousand, Like remember when place asked
Speaker 2: you just like yeah, like really inappropriate stuff with producers
Speaker 2: and the girls and like the producers saying things they
Speaker 2: shouldn't like remember one thousand. It was bad.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah it was. He made Jason look
Speaker 1: like a good guy. It was Yeah, no, the level
Speaker 1: of professionalism, and that's it. That's something else that changed,
Speaker 1: you know, as we moved into the modern era of
Speaker 1: the show. Thank god, it's the only way that we
Speaker 1: could have survived. And I was and again, it was
Speaker 1: just I was so out of that circle for so
Speaker 1: long that I didn't know that stuff like that was
Speaker 1: going on. You know, you saw some stuff, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm out of my depth here. It's my first network gig.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm excited to have the job. And so
Speaker 1: I regret, you know, I couldn't have been that person
Speaker 1: because I wasn't prepared for that in my life at
Speaker 1: that moment. But I wish I was. I probably would
Speaker 1: have been off the show sooner because it just would
Speaker 1: have blown up sooner than it did. Because eventually, enough
Speaker 1: is enough and you got to draw that line in
Speaker 1: the sand. Yeah, something that Lauren and I were talking
Speaker 1: about and we were laughing. You guys made the first
Speaker 1: infamous switch, and it's worked. It has been unbelievably successful.
Speaker 1: So did Ari and Lauren laughingly said the couples that
Speaker 1: chose the wrong person and ended up getting married have
Speaker 1: been more successful than the rest of the entire franchise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how crazy is that?
Speaker 1: There's Sean Lowe and then the two of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Ari and I talked about this long indeed,
Speaker 3: because we're really good at what we do. We're real
Speaker 3: estate agents and experts in love at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, you guys should definitely, I know.
Speaker 2: Exactly what it is. It allows switching like that, not
Speaker 2: having the pressure of an engagement right away. It gives
Speaker 2: you the time to create your own path in a relationship.
Speaker 2: You know, Like I will stand by this woolheartedly. If
Speaker 2: Jason would have proposed to me that final day, we
Speaker 2: probably never.
Speaker 3: Would have worked.
Speaker 2: What do you talk I mean, honestly, like it just
Speaker 2: the pressure of that is insanity. And yeah, we were
Speaker 2: able to date off camera and start our relationship completely
Speaker 2: over before ending up getting married. So I think that's I.
Speaker 3: Mean, that's that's what saved us. I've never really thought
Speaker 3: about that, but that's actually a really interesting point because
Speaker 3: it's like I've always thought of going through it almost
Speaker 3: kind of twice where it's like the end of the show,
Speaker 3: even though the audience wants to see this ring and
Speaker 3: all this stuff, what it feels like more than anything
Speaker 3: is like, hey, can we start can we really start
Speaker 3: dating now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But you know everybody you is like, no, you're engaged
Speaker 3: when you're like, I've spent forty hours with this person.
Speaker 3: I got to get to know him atself.
Speaker 1: And you start not believing the hype. But you see
Speaker 1: the hype and you're on the cover of People magazine,
Speaker 1: You're on the cover of every magazine. Back then, it
Speaker 1: was I mean the amount of pressure you got. I
Speaker 1: mean now the show and I again, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this to be a jerk, it's just the relevance is
Speaker 1: minute compared to when you were on the show. I mean,
Speaker 1: the ratings were fifty times what it is now, and
Speaker 1: so was the attention, and so was the news cycle,
Speaker 1: and so you guys were not beloved, especially Jason Molly.
Speaker 1: Did that have something to do with it too? Of
Speaker 1: this that kind of bunker mentality of't you didn't have
Speaker 1: the pressure of being the chosen ones. You kind of
Speaker 1: had the pressure of we don't love this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It very quickly forced us to go back to
Speaker 2: our regular lives too, Like I know, you know this, Chris,
Speaker 2: like the Hollywood lifestyle. After the Bachelor ruins, People ruins up,
Speaker 2: you know, and like they feel like that's like they're
Speaker 2: just rolling in the money and the events and the
Speaker 2: shine and the glitz or whatever. But that's not real life.
Speaker 2: That's going to go away. There's another couple the next
Speaker 2: season that will be around, you know. And so we
Speaker 2: just went back to normal life and dated and got
Speaker 2: to know about that.
Speaker 3: And I wish people knew this about you, because I
Speaker 3: remember several conversations with you, and other people would talk
Speaker 3: to you, and I could almost envision being at an
Speaker 3: airport and you giving advice not to me, to somebody
Speaker 3: else and saying like, listen, don't do that, Like go
Speaker 3: back to your normal life. And if you're a real
Speaker 3: esta agent or a salesman or whatever it is, you're
Speaker 3: going to kill it in that business. Yeah, don't go
Speaker 3: do this other thing and try to host the red carpet.
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins had a tough time with that, and Ben
Speaker 1: and I really sat down and had that conversation. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let it enhance your life, life, don't let it change
Speaker 1: your life. And it's tough because and again you go
Speaker 1: back to that producer saying to you, Oh, they know
Speaker 1: what they're getting into you don't How do you know
Speaker 1: what it's like to living Washington as a single dad
Speaker 1: and then be on Jimmy Kimmel and then beyond Jay Leno,
Speaker 1: which was a thing back then, to be on the
Speaker 1: cover of Very magazine, to be to lead entertainment Tonight
Speaker 1: and Access and everything every night. You don't know, and
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget. Trista was was the first one
Speaker 1: I kind of heard in this area when she went
Speaker 1: on the View and she came back and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: you did a great job, you know what. She's like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I may, I may actually like work there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what do you mean? She goes, well,
Speaker 1: they said I was so great, I could come back
Speaker 1: anytime and edit editor. I said, oh no, I'm like,
Speaker 1: like they say that to everybody, but you do. You
Speaker 1: get you get caught up and you're flying first class,
Speaker 1: you're talking red carpets, you're you know, presenting at award shows,
Speaker 1: and you don't realize that this is going to be
Speaker 1: gone as soon as there is another one, and it's difficult,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, if you can go back and be
Speaker 1: amazing real estate moguls, which you guys have done awesome,
Speaker 1: people know you. People feel like they know you, so
Speaker 1: use that capitalize on it for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's how we handle it. It
Speaker 2: definitely enhances our business, but it is not the anchor
Speaker 2: of our business.
Speaker 3: So typically, like you don't even want to say it
Speaker 3: unless somebody's like someone, well, they're like, how do I
Speaker 3: know your face? I'm like, you really want to talk
Speaker 3: about do.
Speaker 1: You want to find your dream home? Or do you
Speaker 1: want to go down my dark dark path?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, it's I mean, it's present in our life
Speaker 2: when it needs to be, but it's not every day,
Speaker 2: which is we prefer it.
Speaker 1: Honestly, that is a great way to live. It's very healthy.
Speaker 1: And you know, because we also televised your wedding I
Speaker 1: believe it is in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: That was a really good It was being awesome.
Speaker 1: It was bonkers.
Speaker 2: I would go back and do that one hundred times over.
Speaker 2: It was so fun.
Speaker 1: That's when I knew you may be the coolest chick
Speaker 1: in the world, because any other bride would have lost
Speaker 1: her mind. Because when I tell you folks that it
Speaker 1: was storming outside and this was an outside wedding, I
Speaker 1: can't begin to tell you the tropical like tropical storm
Speaker 1: that hit during their wedding.
Speaker 2: There was a tsunami warning that day.
Speaker 1: It was we were at the Terran Air Resort in
Speaker 1: southern California, just south of LA.
Speaker 3: But I also know it helped knowing that you had
Speaker 3: like a world class makeup artist some time.
Speaker 2: I didn't care, Like I was like, as soon as
Speaker 2: this is on TV, they don't I mean for me to.
Speaker 1: They don't want me to. We wish the best for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Knew I had hair and makeup waiting for me. When
Speaker 2: I was done, Like, I wasn't even I was just
Speaker 2: having fun. It was so fun.
Speaker 1: It was it. It was crazy. So yeah, so are
Speaker 1: people that don't remember when we televised this. In twenty ten,
Speaker 1: the mother of all storms hit southern California. You know,
Speaker 1: they say it's goodluck if it rains on your wedding day.
Speaker 1: Bull crap. This was blowing thirty miles an hour sideways.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, plant everything, you know, the art
Speaker 1: I felt so bad for the art department because everything
Speaker 1: they did blewe to Kingdom come, plants falling over, flying
Speaker 1: down the aisle. We had to try to cover everything.
Speaker 1: We're trying to give everybody umbrellas, but that doesn't work
Speaker 1: because it's just also blowing so hard. And so you
Speaker 1: guys get married in the rain in just this epic storm,
Speaker 1: and it actually turned out to be one of the
Speaker 1: coolest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: It was it was like the pictures looking back and
Speaker 2: like this is it's just awesome.
Speaker 1: And then afterwards we were cool, but it was clear,
Speaker 1: and Sonny too, c and then we all like took
Speaker 1: a couple hours. We left and like dried out, changed
Speaker 1: our clothes, got hair and makeup, and then we showed
Speaker 1: up at what turned out to be an awesome party
Speaker 1: the rest of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what that behind the scenes issue with
Speaker 2: us taking forever to get ready and dried off and
Speaker 2: all of that. Some of my like high school friends
Speaker 2: and sorority sisters, like they got so drunk before the
Speaker 2: reception even started because we took like two hours to
Speaker 2: get ready. Again, like one girl.
Speaker 3: Like one of your sorority sisters puked on the table.
Speaker 2: Even remember the reception.
Speaker 1: Well, the day got delayed because of the rain, and
Speaker 1: then it got delayed because of the rain afterwards as well,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, we hadn't fed anybody. There was no
Speaker 1: food and everybody was just drinking and drinking and drinking
Speaker 1: and it just went sideways.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh thank god for that in and out truck that
Speaker 1: pulled in later. Yeah, I know, no kidding, that was
Speaker 1: I've never been happier with an in and out burger
Speaker 1: in my life. Was like around midnight when that thing
Speaker 1: rolled in and just crushed it. But you know, one
Speaker 1: of those things I loved. I loved about Tristan Ryan's wedding, y'all.
Speaker 1: Wedding was like this is when we would take over
Speaker 1: a resort and it was just us. It was just
Speaker 1: your friends. And when people when we're doing a wedding,
Speaker 1: the cool thing is, yeah, there's there's the television people around, producers,
Speaker 1: but it's your people. Like you said, it's your sorority sisters,
Speaker 1: it's your best friends, it's your family. So there was
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember that little bar
Speaker 1: that had the fire pit there off the cliffs there.
Speaker 1: We would go down and it was just mixing and
Speaker 1: mingling with your friends and everybody's telling their Jason and
Speaker 1: Molly stories. It really is like an actual wedding where
Speaker 1: we're just sharing this stuff and we're sharing this love
Speaker 1: and so it I love the feeling of that, and
Speaker 1: I I try to encapsulate that every time we would
Speaker 1: do a wedding.
Speaker 3: What about what about when Gavin de grat tried to
Speaker 3: make out with all your.
Speaker 2: With my sorority system, he was is he married?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's you're saying, like everyone was trapped at
Speaker 2: this resort, right they went in. No one knew where
Speaker 2: they were going.
Speaker 1: So Gavin de Grau hooked up with one of your
Speaker 1: sorority sisters.
Speaker 3: One or multiple. I think he's like, who's the biggest
Speaker 3: star here? It's me and Chris Harrison.
Speaker 1: Wow, Gavin de Grau well played, sir, well played. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's that was part of the writer
Speaker 1: of agreement. Yeah, I know, Sparkling Water, two bridesmaids and
Speaker 1: I stayed dinner. What a party man?
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 1: It was again, it was just weird times because it
Speaker 1: was so young and innocent, even though we'd been doing
Speaker 1: it for almost a decade. It was just crazy. And
Speaker 1: then now you guys build this life, you go back
Speaker 1: to Washington, and I just love how quickly you guys
Speaker 1: were able to not drop off the map by any means,
Speaker 1: because you would still come and do things for us
Speaker 1: all the time, but just started enjoying your life and
Speaker 1: had a child and you know, raising Tie as well.
Speaker 1: And I loved to see you guys. It was the
Speaker 1: Ryan and Trista method. I loved it. Get away and
Speaker 1: live your life.
Speaker 3: Well we have. I mean, part of it is we
Speaker 3: had to, like, no matter what people think, you're still
Speaker 3: on a reality show, so we have to go back
Speaker 3: to work. And Molly like was getting recruited to do
Speaker 3: jobs here right away, right you got recruited by the
Speaker 3: shoe company and I went and I had to go
Speaker 3: back to work right away. So there was no and
Speaker 3: you know, Ty isn't going to be like, well did
Speaker 3: you guys have fun on TV? Go ahead and enjoy
Speaker 3: your vacation for the next.
Speaker 2: Five years life.
Speaker 3: Like you like, you know, when you have a kid,
Speaker 3: you're totally grounded and like, thinking back to it, like
Speaker 3: Ty has no recollection of any of that.
Speaker 1: Really, can we can we talk about the tie of
Speaker 1: it all?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I mean he was four or five years old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember meeting this little kid, such
Speaker 1: a Seahawks fan, and you know, he was around the
Speaker 1: show from time to time and we'd hang out just
Speaker 1: this little kid, and I again didn't pay attention until
Speaker 1: I saw on your social media graduating high school off
Speaker 1: to Boise State. Looks like a grown ass man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so much better looking than you, So much better looking.
Speaker 3: Than you, and so much nicer. Yeah, well behaved.
Speaker 2: He's like literally the best. He's the best human he is.
Speaker 1: He just Isn't that what you want? You want your
Speaker 1: kids to not only have a better option a life
Speaker 1: and choices and but to be better human beings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it was weird dropping him
Speaker 3: off because that first day, it is just a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, we had the boys to drop him off,
Speaker 3: and that like the first day he's like, hey, my
Speaker 3: roommate wants to go to a concert, right, And we're like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: like we're here with you, but like that's what you
Speaker 3: want to see too. Yeah, what did we do?
Speaker 2: We went out with We went out with his ex wife,
Speaker 2: her husband, and.
Speaker 3: We ended up at a club that night.
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that it is a there are
Speaker 1: a few times when you come back together and it's
Speaker 1: for children, and so we did the same. We had
Speaker 1: a big dinner. My ex was there, Lauren of course
Speaker 1: is there, her husband is there, and we all, you know,
Speaker 1: crack a bottle because it's still it's it's also no
Speaker 1: matter what kind of divorce you went through or whatever,
Speaker 1: it's still an accomplishment that the two of you and
Speaker 1: all of you now as a unit have done. Like Molly,
Speaker 1: you put your time and energy into Tie and I
Speaker 1: know you know Lauren did the same for my kids,
Speaker 1: and it's it is a beautiful moment, if only a
Speaker 1: moment at least you come back together for a second
Speaker 1: to celebrate and watching, you know, knowing that you drop
Speaker 1: Tie off, was it a were you emotional? Did you
Speaker 1: cry because you're a ball bag?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a ball bag.
Speaker 2: Well I've never seen him cry other than that scene
Speaker 2: on TV.
Speaker 3: That's it. Well I'm also, yeah, an actor obviously. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So you know what's like, I think the one time
Speaker 3: where it really hit me was you're in like at Boise,
Speaker 3: they have this like freshman orientation where everybody goes into
Speaker 3: the basketball arenac and somebody's president of the university's upfront,
Speaker 3: Like when they started talking about their future and everything.
Speaker 3: That's when it really got to me. Yeah, like where
Speaker 3: they've been, where they're going like the drop off. Weirdly enough,
Speaker 3: he came home the first two weekends for various things.
Speaker 1: How close is Boise State to you guys? A short drive?
Speaker 2: No, it's a long drive, so you have to go
Speaker 2: through the mountains. But the flight is like an hour.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2: It's super easy. He has to come back to go
Speaker 2: to the Drake concert, very important.
Speaker 3: Speaking to having fantasy football draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: It easy because Ty was so ready. He was so excited.
Speaker 2: He made friends right out of the gate. Like the
Speaker 2: first two nights of us dropping them off at college,
Speaker 2: he was like, I don't even want to hang out
Speaker 2: with you guys. I want to go with my friends.
Speaker 2: So it's like he was ready to fly. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it made it easier to let him go.
Speaker 3: You know, I want to just think like the last
Speaker 3: couple of years, you know, once you got through COVID
Speaker 3: and you get your license and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it's sports and he's driving everywhere on his own and
Speaker 3: he's got his own life. So like that last two
Speaker 3: years of pushing away from us, and it's funny, like
Speaker 3: he even said when he was in town over the weekend,
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, it's weird, like it feels like
Speaker 3: high school in some ways, just.
Speaker 2: Bigger, bigger, Yeah, and doing things for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when when you've done your job right, they want
Speaker 1: to be independent and they they leave you. And it's
Speaker 1: but it is a great thing. I had just had
Speaker 1: my kids, uh here for the Labor Day weekend, and
Speaker 1: I had six kids in my house, you know, roommates,
Speaker 1: sorority sisters, what have you. And it's you just look
Speaker 1: at it and you're like, this is beautiful, Like this
Speaker 1: is all I've wanted for them.
Speaker 2: And you know what was really interesting this past year
Speaker 2: is Tie and all of his friends decided to come
Speaker 2: to our house every night and watch our season of
Speaker 2: The Bachelor. In no way, yes, And it was the
Speaker 2: most ten nights of my life.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was just laughing at you. Oh god.
Speaker 3: It was like she was so embarrassed, and I'm like, listen,
Speaker 3: they were bound, they were bound to find out about it. No,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: So all these kids, all.
Speaker 3: Of them, like like when you say, everybody was me
Speaker 3: over to your house, like.
Speaker 1: They sat down and watched start to finish the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Finish the thing. It was humiliating.
Speaker 1: What were there? It was what were their comments like, well,
Speaker 1: they had.
Speaker 2: Actually really good comments. But what would be bad is
Speaker 2: like I would go sequester myself in my room because
Speaker 2: I'd be so embarrassed and I just hear all of
Speaker 2: my at the same time be like, Oh, I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what did they just see?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's amazing. What did they think of
Speaker 1: your skills? Jason?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: They well they all look up to me, so obviously.
Speaker 3: It's like they love my skills, you know.
Speaker 1: I bet I bet they would just realize now because
Speaker 1: they have they are so much more evolved than we
Speaker 1: were and are, and they're so much better at talking
Speaker 1: and communicating that I bet they just feel like, man,
Speaker 1: y'all were out of touch. Y'all were so out of touch.
Speaker 3: God. I just keep on thinking, Thank God Instagram.
Speaker 1: It wasn't I know, I know, it's I'm so glad
Speaker 1: I got to go to school, like without all of that,
Speaker 1: you know. Is that something you guys have trouble with
Speaker 1: with Riley?
Speaker 2: H No, not yet. Well she doesn't have a phone,
Speaker 2: yete phone yet She's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Because I saw her at the Taylor Swift concert. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are y'all swifties?
Speaker 2: I mean you have to be if you're not.
Speaker 1: Jason, don't shake this off, like, don't don't like shake
Speaker 1: your head like it's not cool to be a swiftye
Speaker 1: that she's not amazing in every way possible, because she is.
Speaker 3: I just here's here's my confusion with her. Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: The super Bowl is once a year, right, yes, and
Speaker 3: it's self doubt and tickets are very expensive. Taylor Swift
Speaker 3: is on tour for two years straight and every show
Speaker 3: is like the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tickets are.
Speaker 3: The super Bowl is once a year. Taylor Swift has
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy nine thousand concerts.
Speaker 1: Instead of being confusing, what that should tell you? And
Speaker 1: I love the Dallas Cowboys, you love the Seahawks. Let's
Speaker 1: say that the Seahawks and Cowboys are playing every day.
Speaker 1: I don't care. There's a point, there's a point where
Speaker 1: I just won't care about this aim anymore. Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: her tour will not ever have that. But it's also
Speaker 1: different because billions can watch every game, and you like,
Speaker 1: if we all tuned in every night to watch the
Speaker 1: same Taylor Swift show, we would probably grow old as well.
Speaker 3: So the concert's going on, that's great. You know what
Speaker 3: you do, make a movie about it, Yeah, and put
Speaker 3: it in the theaters. Everybody by the ticket.
Speaker 1: I'm hey, I'm but I feel the same about you too,
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to go see them in Vegas. I
Speaker 1: love rattle and Hum. I'm all, I get it. And
Speaker 1: my daughter is the biggest swift in the world. And
Speaker 1: so she went by her again without us. She's in college,
Speaker 1: so she went with her friend to the one at
Speaker 1: Texas Stadium and she's like, it changed my life. She's
Speaker 1: like I would go. She's like, I want to just
Speaker 1: keep traveling and go see her over and over.
Speaker 3: And I love how much how passionate people are, because
Speaker 3: I feel like she is a good person, But how
Speaker 3: does it change your life?
Speaker 2: Her daughter, so she's.
Speaker 3: Also ten, so like her life has got a shorter space.
Speaker 1: There is that show, the You two show. Lauren was
Speaker 1: amazing enough to get me this particular advertisement. I was
Speaker 1: sixteen years old. I was playing soccer over in Europe
Speaker 1: with this traveling team and we're in Wales and we
Speaker 1: ran into You two in Cardiff, Wales, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: even that huge of a U two fan, but it
Speaker 1: was just there are moments in time when you are
Speaker 1: so impressionable, and there's a moment like it is for Riley,
Speaker 1: like it is for my daughter right now with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: But what I find, and Lauren brought this up, what's
Speaker 1: incredible is that Taylor Swift isn't a kid. Her group
Speaker 1: of people that grew up with her are still fans,
Speaker 1: but now Riley's a fan. Like she has captured the
Speaker 1: next generation as well. It is a phenomenon like we
Speaker 1: have not seen in many, many decades. Even throwing out
Speaker 1: the Beatles or the Stones, I mean, the biggest names
Speaker 1: in music. She's there now, I mean and Riley.
Speaker 3: So they went to the concert, right and then the
Speaker 3: next day, Hi and his girlfriend took Riley and sat
Speaker 3: outside the concert because you could hear it, Yeah, she's
Speaker 3: like again.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Ty took his little sister to sit
Speaker 1: outside so she could listen.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, she's so good with her. He is
Speaker 2: so good with her. They've gotten so close.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you did to deserve that, but
Speaker 1: that is like, think about that. Think about what you're
Speaker 1: just saying, Like, I promise you, Ty didn't want to
Speaker 1: go sit in the parking lot and listen to you
Speaker 1: with swift.
Speaker 2: He did did. Yeah, it was so sweet that.
Speaker 1: Like so when Taylor is my Taylor went to her concert,
Speaker 1: she ubered in it's always easy to get into a concert,
Speaker 1: it's impossible to get out. So she called her brother
Speaker 1: who was forty five minutes away in Fort Worth, and said,
Speaker 1: come pick me up. It's eleven thirty at night. And
Speaker 1: he got out of bed went when picked up his
Speaker 1: little sister. And that's those are the things when you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I did, but thank god, these
Speaker 1: are good human beings.
Speaker 3: Yes, well I don't know. So my only memory memory
Speaker 3: of your kids, because it wasn't that, it was the
Speaker 3: opposite of that, is they come in and I think
Speaker 3: were the itelliens. Well, we had a foosball table down
Speaker 3: because the year I was on the Bachelorette we stayed
Speaker 3: in the house down below and you could bring your
Speaker 3: kids from the kids would come from time to time,
Speaker 3: and dude, when they went head to head in foosball,
Speaker 3: I don't know if a foosball table, but they went,
Speaker 3: they went at it.
Speaker 1: They there. They would get contentious from time to time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they they they I mean, look, they had their moments
Speaker 1: and I think what Riley and Tie are much further
Speaker 1: apart in age minor a year and a half apart.
Speaker 1: They are two years apart. So yeah, they there was
Speaker 1: definitely that that phase they went through. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, they are very close now and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so thankful for that because they're at
Speaker 1: the same college, which is crazy unbelievable how that worked out.
Speaker 1: Where else was where else was Thie looking to.
Speaker 3: Go University of Washington, So he looked at all the
Speaker 3: Washington schools, Oregon School STSU or University of Oregon, San Diego, Arizona.
Speaker 3: But I think he just wanted something a little bit smaller. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we actually have some Like I was telling you, we're
Speaker 3: gonna be down in Austin because some of my closest
Speaker 3: friends and clients are moving down there. Although she is
Speaker 3: the mother is worried because coming from this climate down
Speaker 3: to the air, She's like, it's one hundred and ten, sorry,
Speaker 3: maybe one hundred and forty nine.
Speaker 1: It can be it can be warm, it can be
Speaker 1: very so. But I mean, I can't wait for you
Speaker 1: guys to get down here. I can't wait to show
Speaker 1: you around. You're gonna absolutely you'll love it. And look,
Speaker 1: I think what we do is we summer up in
Speaker 1: Washington and.
Speaker 2: Then we winter down here Albertas.
Speaker 1: And you guys need some vitamin D. When you need
Speaker 1: some sunshine, you come down here before you go. Though,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about what you guys are
Speaker 1: doing with your life, because y'all have absolutely crushed it
Speaker 1: and it's I love that you're doing it together. You guys,
Speaker 1: when when did that kind of combinations start?
Speaker 2: Jason's been doing real estate for over ten years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: built a really really solid business, and he was like,
Speaker 2: I need your help.
Speaker 3: Well, she's so organized and creative, and you know, she
Speaker 3: was doing like she left the the she was in
Speaker 3: the radio business for a little while. But as soon
Speaker 3: as she left, I'm like, okay, can we do this together?
Speaker 3: And we did have a negotiation.
Speaker 2: We did. He was like, if you come help me
Speaker 2: with work, you can build the house that you want
Speaker 2: to build.
Speaker 3: That's why we almost the trade. So hopefully just a
Speaker 3: few weeks away from moving into our house. But like
Speaker 3: we had a fair trade.
Speaker 2: That was a fair trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that's quite the carrot you dangled there.
Speaker 2: That's quite the deal. I know, I know, but it's
Speaker 2: been good though. I mean we do have everyone's like
Speaker 2: how do you work together? And we do have moments
Speaker 2: where like moments, Yeah, I'm like, you go to the
Speaker 2: office today, all work from home, just so we're like separated.
Speaker 3: But well, I mean we're in the office today and
Speaker 3: this is the first day you've been in the office
Speaker 3: for a while. Yeah, several weeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting. You guys bring so much to the table. Obviously
Speaker 1: you're smart and talented, but you're also a couple and
Speaker 1: you've been through something so public. Buying a house is
Speaker 1: so emotional. Do you have advice for people? Do you
Speaker 1: find that you also help people kind of emotionally with
Speaker 1: such a big job.
Speaker 2: You're you're a therapist for sure, because they're going through
Speaker 2: one of the most stressful moments of their life, packing
Speaker 2: a house, moving, picking out the biggest purchase of their life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's I mean, we talked through a lot of emotions
Speaker 2: with people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think probably in some ways it does
Speaker 3: help because a lot of our clients do know who
Speaker 3: we are, recognize us, and so because of that familiarity
Speaker 3: with like, oh, we we already feel like we trust
Speaker 3: them and hope hopefully they really do that those conversations
Speaker 3: probably come a little easier. Plus, I took a few
Speaker 3: credits in psychology.
Speaker 2: And so you're basically a psychologists.
Speaker 3: Basically a psychologist from that university.
Speaker 1: Well, I always said, it's like, I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: a doctor, but I definitely have put enough hours in
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, at this point, I feel like, as
Speaker 1: they say, I've seen a few things, Yes, yes you have,
Speaker 1: and you guys were definitely one of those things. That
Speaker 1: was such a lightning bolt moment that for the franchise,
Speaker 1: for me, for you, and it's this thing that no
Speaker 1: matter what happens in my life, I will always remember
Speaker 1: it and I will always have this bond with the
Speaker 1: two of you. And at the time, I don't think
Speaker 1: I would have had this perspective, but I consider it
Speaker 1: special now and I don't know if that's right, but
Speaker 1: I feel like I think about it with fondness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we do too.
Speaker 3: Like I think there was some like initially because I
Speaker 3: knew what it was going to look like and how
Speaker 3: that was going to play out. I was there was
Speaker 3: some animosity back then, but I think now when I
Speaker 3: look back at it, it was just a really interesting experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's so funny though, like we're so far moved.
Speaker 2: It's like weird to even think like we were on
Speaker 2: a TV show at one point, you know, like it's
Speaker 2: been fifteen years since we filmed our season, you know.
Speaker 2: And I even like when you had promoted like do
Speaker 2: you have questions for Jason and Molly, I was like,
Speaker 2: I three years ago. I looked at Jason, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing interviews about the show anymore. I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I'm done with it. I don't I don't remember. It
Speaker 2: was so long ago, you know, and like so it's
Speaker 2: not really a part of our day to day life,
Speaker 2: but it is a very fond memory. To go down
Speaker 2: this lane with you and talk.
Speaker 1: About it, well, I appreciate it. I've never had, as
Speaker 1: you said, an open, honest, really candid conversation with you too.
Speaker 1: I've had the other type of conversations where we all
Speaker 1: smile and shake our head and answer the right questions.
Speaker 1: But I was happy to have a real conversation with
Speaker 1: you guys and get to the truth. And I love
Speaker 1: you guys, and Yell are in such a good season
Speaker 1: with your lives, your business, with Riley starting fifth grade,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear how the first day of
Speaker 1: school went, and Tye it did. By the way, is
Speaker 1: he in a fraternity.
Speaker 2: He's not doing a fraternity. Fraternities aren't real big and
Speaker 2: poise like.
Speaker 1: It depends on the school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was a big sorority girl. Jason
Speaker 2: was a big fraternity guy. He's taking a different path,
Speaker 2: but he's.
Speaker 3: Super hid different school.
Speaker 1: Is in a sorority, you know, see how that goes.
Speaker 3: That's I mean, he's so level headed, but he's learning
Speaker 3: a lot in the first couple of weeks of school. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, when we would reach out to people
Speaker 1: on uh, you know, the most dramatic pod ever on
Speaker 1: our Instagram unanimously, you guys were the ones people were
Speaker 1: asking about. People were clamoring to get you. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, and I don't mean to be mean.
Speaker 1: I was like, really I didn't. Okay, great, we'll die back.
Speaker 2: You're irrelevant. We are such old news.
Speaker 1: But that's the great thing is you're not and uh
Speaker 1: and people still bond over this and love you guys,
Speaker 1: and it just you know, you never it never ceases
Speaker 1: to amaze me how many people we touched with the
Speaker 1: show and for how long we did it, and that's
Speaker 1: and that's and you guys were a huge part of that.
Speaker 1: So I thank you. I thank you guys for your friendship,
Speaker 1: your support, your love, and for coming on the show
Speaker 1: and for being honest today. It has been such a
Speaker 1: pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Chris. Let's take it to the course.
Speaker 1: Bring it you guys, get to Austin. Let me know
Speaker 1: when you're coming to town. I got it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sweet man, I'll be both of you.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: By the way, I've seen your swing. You look really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks real good. I don't know how many houses
Speaker 1: you're selling, but your candy cap has come down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, guys, take care.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Chris, thanks for listening.
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