Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Egg Podcast.
Speaker 1: In this episode, I am joined by Fox play by
Speaker 1: Play guy and host of the Clubhouse Podcast, Shane Bacon.
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Speaker 1: So you're the you're the original gangster golf blogger. I
Speaker 1: thing like that, and I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's like there was I mean, Ryan
Speaker 2: Balangie was kind of an og there was this thing
Speaker 2: called the sand Trap. I'm trying to think of some
Speaker 2: other golf Blogsdi Hackers Paradise was around. We had Stephanie
Speaker 2: Way came around after a little bit of me kind
Speaker 2: of rocket and rolling. But yeah, I was. I actually
Speaker 2: had a buddy of mine, my buddy Andrew, when we
Speaker 2: got out of college. I wrote for the student newspaper
Speaker 2: and he was like, yo, man, you should like right
Speaker 2: now on the internet. And I was like, all right.
Speaker 2: I actually wrote a major championship previews for dead Spin
Speaker 2: back in the Will Leech days, which is pretty o G.
Speaker 2: I think I wrote some stuff for like Sports by
Speaker 2: Brooks too, but I hope that there's no arcaves for
Speaker 2: that because I would hate to see what it looked like.
Speaker 1: Was that brooks Kopka's publication.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like like before he realized his potential.
Speaker 2: He had this great blog and uh and it was awesome.
Speaker 2: It was it was it was a must read. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was Those are those are the days, man. I
Speaker 2: had a desk in my bedroom. It was so nice.
Speaker 2: That's where that's where all the magic happened.
Speaker 1: You literally woke up and you know, instead of a basement,
Speaker 1: instead of your parents' basement. It was just a one
Speaker 1: bedroom office sleeping quarters.
Speaker 2: The ground in Phoenix is too hard to dig down to,
Speaker 2: so they just instead of having the basement, I just
Speaker 2: had an attached an attached desk in my in my room. Actually,
Speaker 2: my my buddy, same buddy, Andrew, the one that I
Speaker 2: was telling you complained. Him and I were living together,
Speaker 2: and he gave me the bigger bedroom because he was like,
Speaker 2: you're the loser that stays at home and rights all
Speaker 2: the time, so you can have the bigger room. I
Speaker 2: was like, thank you, sir.
Speaker 1: When when you're writing, and when you were just blogging
Speaker 1: and doing this for all these different sites, why did
Speaker 1: you know that you were kind of like set and
Speaker 1: locked in for with golf for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2: Man, the rest of my life. Don't say that.
Speaker 1: Well, you probably you might move on to bigger and
Speaker 1: better things.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I I you know what I wrote when
Speaker 2: I first got my job with AOL fan house. I
Speaker 2: wrote almost every sport. I didn't write a lot of baseball,
Speaker 2: but I wrote it was kind of one of those
Speaker 2: things when stuff came across the wire, which I know
Speaker 2: that sounds like a super old term, but you know,
Speaker 2: like when when when Tiger did something or some breaking
Speaker 2: news came out about this. Basically it was kind of
Speaker 2: the it was first person to email our list, serve I, hey,
Speaker 2: I got this story, got it, and and if you
Speaker 2: got a really popular post, you actually got a little
Speaker 2: bit of bonus. So dude, I would just sit around
Speaker 2: all the time and and just kind of be around
Speaker 2: the computer just just looking. So I mean, NFL stories
Speaker 2: all that stuff. But I knew, I knew fairly on
Speaker 2: that golf was probably the best avenue, just because I
Speaker 2: felt like I knew it the best, and I had
Speaker 2: kind of some cool opportunities throughout throughout my life within
Speaker 2: the game that I don't think a lot of people had.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's kind of why I wanted to do it,
Speaker 2: and and so I gradually kind of navigated over there.
Speaker 2: And then when I got a chance to kind of
Speaker 2: write for the Yahoo blog and then eventually edit it
Speaker 2: and go to CBSI on golf, that was kind of
Speaker 2: when I realized that this was probably the sport that
Speaker 2: I should focus most of my attention on because it
Speaker 2: seemed to be the one that was that that kind
Speaker 2: of I don't know, people listen to me about I
Speaker 2: don't know if that makes sense. They kind of listened
Speaker 2: to me about it.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I still get people that call me Sean.
Speaker 2: I got called Sean twice on air this year Sean
Speaker 2: Bacon twice. Host go back to Sean. I was like,
Speaker 2: that's close enough.
Speaker 1: Well, they didn't even know brooks Cepko Sam turning the
Speaker 1: final round.
Speaker 5: Don't feel beast.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 5: But he's just won two major championships.
Speaker 2: You know what, though, you know, there's a level of
Speaker 2: kind of being like I'm kind of okay with people
Speaker 2: and maybe not knowing my name like that. You know,
Speaker 2: like I see these really famous people. Not to say
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna ever be famous or even on that path,
Speaker 2: but like I see famous people and the fame thing
Speaker 2: is so weird that like it's kind of nice when
Speaker 2: like somebody you're working with says your name wrong, You're
Speaker 2: like nice. You know, that's okay. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: I think, like I've always wished like if I became famous,
Speaker 1: that I was like the level of fame of like
Speaker 1: you know, like a middle of the road baseball player,
Speaker 1: like the guy that can just walk around completely unnoticed.
Speaker 1: But it's like really good at what he does, but
Speaker 1: not super famous.
Speaker 2: You know, my Facebook profile since I was like out
Speaker 2: of college, and again this has now become a little
Speaker 2: bit more of like a like a popular opinion, but
Speaker 2: my Facebook profile for probably fifteen years says I want
Speaker 2: to have the career of Charles how the third because
Speaker 2: it's like he can do anything he wants, anywhere he wants,
Speaker 2: at any time, and he could also go eat down
Speaker 2: the street at like Flower Child in Phoenix and nobody's
Speaker 2: gonna bother the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the that's the life. It's not when
Speaker 1: you're out at dinner and everybody's walking up to you
Speaker 1: asking for your autograph.
Speaker 5: That's not the best life. Best life is.
Speaker 1: Being able to live in animinity, you.
Speaker 2: Know, but didn't like have have a little success. It's
Speaker 2: like you, I mean, Charles how the Third's career has
Speaker 2: been massively successful by my standard. You know, I know
Speaker 2: people wish you one more, but that's an unbelievable career
Speaker 2: in life. And you know, he can go to Starbucks
Speaker 2: and they're probably going to write, you know, something different
Speaker 2: on his cup, and that's good. That's that's the life.
Speaker 2: They want the Starbucks brist to screw up your name
Speaker 2: like eighty percent of the time, you know, because they're
Speaker 2: not going to screw up Jordan's speed. Hadn't got anything
Speaker 2: but Jordan on a Starbucks cup in a long time.
Speaker 2: If ever, you know, they're probably not going to mess
Speaker 2: up Tiger very much. But you know, if you're you know,
Speaker 2: Bubba Dickerson probably gets that messed up every now and
Speaker 2: against the US an't or.
Speaker 5: Champion and Western m same year.
Speaker 2: Did he really win them both in the same year.
Speaker 1: I'm almost I'm almost positive I thought I was. I
Speaker 1: was all in you know on Bubba Dickerson Island. You
Speaker 1: know that was that was a very bad property purchase.
Speaker 2: Yes, didn't go well. So you know, in in the
Speaker 2: in the sports world besides baseball, to know that in
Speaker 2: the last twenty years, we've had too successful Bubba's. And
Speaker 2: I'll say Bubba Dickerson is successful because he won the
Speaker 2: amateur That's that's probably not gonna happen a ton in
Speaker 2: most in most professional outlets.
Speaker 5: I feel like football, you could have some Bubba's.
Speaker 2: Too offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: Bubba's I don't know, yeah, I could offensive lineman exactly
Speaker 1: like it but I don't think of many other sports
Speaker 1: like basketball.
Speaker 5: There there's not gonna be many bubbus playing.
Speaker 2: Let's see here, let's see now, I'm looking up Bubba Dickerson.
Speaker 2: He won the one us AM, he won the one
Speaker 2: Western End Way to go. I'm very impressed. See, this
Speaker 2: is why you're you remember that.
Speaker 1: I know, I remember all this useless crap, but then
Speaker 1: I can't remember to, like, you know, clean my clothes up.
Speaker 1: My wife drives my wife crazy. So when, uh, when
Speaker 1: did you you know, so you're in the industry, you're
Speaker 1: you're blogging. When do you think that, uh, broadcasting was
Speaker 1: a possible avenue?
Speaker 2: Well, I always wanted a broadcast, the issue being that
Speaker 2: I'd never really done it. You know, a lot of
Speaker 2: people go to school and you know, spend four years
Speaker 2: doing that. I when I got to school, I wrote
Speaker 2: and that was my main focus, and I wrote for
Speaker 2: the student newspaper.
Speaker 5: So were you journalism major?
Speaker 2: You know, what's up? Journalism major in? And you know,
Speaker 2: it's funny, I was. I had all these plans to
Speaker 2: do all this broadcasting internship stuff, and I just fell
Speaker 2: in love with the writing side of it. I love
Speaker 2: the grind, I love the hustle. I love the you're
Speaker 2: interviewing the head coach for the football team and the journalist,
Speaker 2: the print journalist. You know, we're sitting around for forty
Speaker 2: five minutes because they've got to get all this stuff
Speaker 2: and the TV people need one SoundBite. And I love
Speaker 2: the hustle of the writing side. So I didn't do
Speaker 2: any really broadcasting in college outside of an internship at NBC,
Speaker 2: but I always had this dream of it, and I
Speaker 2: remember I did a couple of things. I did this
Speaker 2: thing at the Rodeo in Vegas. Please God, I hope
Speaker 2: it's not on the internet. I did this thing for
Speaker 2: the Rodeo for aol I think, and I mean, if
Speaker 2: you watch that, I mean I had to be the
Speaker 2: most uncomfortable human on the planet in front of the camera.
Speaker 2: It was, It's just awful. I did a thing on
Speaker 2: this new seventeenth tee at Saint Andrew's. I had, like
Speaker 2: my dad hold the video camera uh years ago, and
Speaker 2: it was awful. And so I obviously needed to to
Speaker 2: kind of improve. And I had a couple opportunities to
Speaker 2: come to me the same year from from a couple
Speaker 2: of from Golf Channel and from the startup and back
Speaker 2: of my network and they kind of came to me
Speaker 2: and I had a couple of auditions, and yeah, I
Speaker 2: got this job. And you know, it was so weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, to take a chance, you know,
Speaker 2: if you think back on and taking a chance on
Speaker 2: somebody like me was silly. I mean it was. There's
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no reason too. I mean I had
Speaker 2: no idea what I was doing. You know, I'd never
Speaker 2: really read a teleprompter before.
Speaker 5: I no no bad habits.
Speaker 2: Though, you know I had. I had this weird lip
Speaker 2: thing for a while where I would lick my lips
Speaker 2: a lot. Uh, and it drove me crazy, drove my
Speaker 2: wife really crazy. So you know there's stuff like that
Speaker 2: that you've got to break. But yeah, it was it
Speaker 2: was nice. I mean, I I I had the opportunity.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you think back on opportunities in
Speaker 2: your life that are that that work out in your favor,
Speaker 2: and getting this chance at this place that it only
Speaker 2: lasted whatever four months. I mean I got to talk
Speaker 2: about golf for an hour a day every day, and
Speaker 2: I was kind of like the voice of the show.
Speaker 2: Plus I got a chance to go on their other
Speaker 2: shows with guys like John McGinnis and Jeff Rude and
Speaker 2: you know real golf people, you know, guys that like
Speaker 2: have been in the industry playing or writing for decades,
Speaker 2: and they'd ask me to come on the show once
Speaker 2: a week or twice a week. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know everybody talks about reps. I know that you
Speaker 2: you've talked about reps with your podcast. You and I've
Speaker 2: had this conversation before. It's like going back and listen
Speaker 2: to one of your first podcasts. You know, the reps
Speaker 2: are real. I mean, you know, hitting range balls is real.
Speaker 2: And it was it was that was that was kind
Speaker 2: of where it went. And then opportunity presents itself with
Speaker 2: with Fox the moment kind of back nine ceased to
Speaker 2: exist and Fox picks this thing up. And luckily I'm
Speaker 2: in the northeast and luckily Mark Loomis lives an hour
Speaker 2: and a half away, and we just so happened to
Speaker 2: go play golf one day, and you know, that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff falls in your lap. So you know, it's
Speaker 2: you know, now when you kind of even the way
Speaker 2: I say it, you know, when you think about circumstances
Speaker 2: in the U in kind of the walk through the
Speaker 2: life thing it is. It is nuts how certain things
Speaker 2: like kind of almost you know, work together in tandem.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I mean half of it's like it's
Speaker 1: just that timing of luck and opportunities, you know, and
Speaker 1: being in the right place at the right time is
Speaker 1: just so.
Speaker 2: And you're you're your example this too. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I know you're one of my favorite people in golf.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you know that. But you know,
Speaker 2: if you come around five years later, you know there
Speaker 2: might be somebody that, you know, architecture talk has already
Speaker 2: you know, blown up. I'd say, I'm sure you're part
Speaker 2: of it to a certain extent, but you know, if
Speaker 2: you come around five years later or so you're five
Speaker 2: years younger or something like that, you know, there might
Speaker 2: have been some guy that starts this whole talk about
Speaker 2: it and and you've got to kind of like find
Speaker 2: your find the crease in that conversation. And yet, you know,
Speaker 2: you come around a time where people want to talk
Speaker 2: about golf courses. People realize that golf courses don't have
Speaker 2: to be this name to be cool, and you have
Speaker 2: this kind of audience that loves listening to that point.
Speaker 2: You know, like me and it's opened my eyes to
Speaker 2: it too. You know that that's something that's so funny
Speaker 2: to me, is like like a Yamen's Hall that I
Speaker 2: had a very lucky opportunity to go play, you know,
Speaker 2: a place like that, I might not even know what
Speaker 2: it was, you know, six or seven years ago before
Speaker 2: I kind of cared about looking a little bit deeper
Speaker 2: into the story. So yeah, that's how it works, and
Speaker 2: you know, that's what worked for me, And you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's been awesome to do the USGA stuff because
Speaker 2: you don't just have to talk about one tour, and
Speaker 2: that I think is something that we all really like
Speaker 2: is that every single week that we have, we've got
Speaker 2: a completely different group of people to talk about. And
Speaker 2: maybe a billion people aren't watching like they're going to
Speaker 2: watch the US Open. But that's okay, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: our job is just to talk about it. You know.
Speaker 2: Our job isn't to go find people to come watch
Speaker 2: the US Junior Amateur. But we like talking about the
Speaker 2: US Junior Anmeter because it's these young kids that one
Speaker 2: day we're probably going to see at a different level.
Speaker 2: So that's what's been cool about what we do.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like I had never had thought about this,
Speaker 1: But do you do you guys, Taylor the broadcast differently
Speaker 1: for the US Open, knowing that you have, you know,
Speaker 1: millions of casual fans versus say, like the US Senior
Speaker 1: Women's Open, where you know, like only diehard fans watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. I mean, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want to speak for our producer in Joe and Zinger
Speaker 2: and those guys, you know, but I would say that
Speaker 2: there was a lot of people on Friday afternoon of
Speaker 2: the US Open that we're complaining on social media about
Speaker 2: our coverage because we were showing too much Tiger. And
Speaker 2: it's one of those things like we're going to show
Speaker 2: Tiger's round on a Friday, you know, with Tiger playing
Speaker 2: on a US Open for the first time and actually
Speaker 2: having a chance to be competitive. Granted he wasn't competitive
Speaker 2: at that US Open because he made a triple on
Speaker 2: the first hole, but you know, for him to be
Speaker 2: healthy and have a chance to win events headed in
Speaker 2: and to be this big story coming in and the
Speaker 2: group he was playing with, you know, that was going
Speaker 2: to be the story we were going to tell on
Speaker 2: a Friday. You know, We're not going to spend that
Speaker 2: much time on a Sunday if you hadn't made a cut,
Speaker 2: because the focus in the story there is about the
Speaker 2: person that's winning. But you know, on Friday, I mean,
Speaker 2: we've got we've got casual sports fans that are tuning
Speaker 2: in to see Tiger Woods play and you know, with
Speaker 2: not many storylines happening at that time, you know, that's
Speaker 2: the way we're going to go down. And if that,
Speaker 2: you know, if a diehard golf person wants to see
Speaker 2: you know, Eduardo, you know Mullinari play a hole, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I hate to do this too
Speaker 2: on a Friday, but you're just gonna have to wait
Speaker 2: around for the weekend because that's when you're gonna have
Speaker 2: a chance to see that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I see it because I got all
Speaker 1: my college buddies are like non golfers. There are golfers,
Speaker 1: but they're very very very very casual golfers, And like
Speaker 1: our group text like I only get texts about golf win.
Speaker 1: Tiger's in the hunt exactly like and they're like, what
Speaker 1: do you think do you think he's gonna win? And
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like that makes me realize, like
Speaker 1: how like it gets you out of the bubble that
Speaker 1: you live in as a diehard golfer or covering golf,
Speaker 1: And it's so important to have the perspective of, like, hey,
Speaker 1: like this is really important for the majority of our audience,
Speaker 1: because like you know, that's the that's the majority of
Speaker 1: those that us open Fridays. I mean, you get, it's
Speaker 1: a chance to expose so many people to the game.
Speaker 2: Right and it's and it's prime time, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: outside New York and it's on this it's kind of
Speaker 2: the only it was the only I mean, with the
Speaker 2: World Cup not yet starting with the NBA playoffs and
Speaker 2: NHL Playoffs being done. You know, we were the we
Speaker 2: were the game that week. You know, we were the
Speaker 2: sports game. And uh and you're like, you know, people
Speaker 2: are going to turn on something that night. And if
Speaker 2: you're a sports fan and you see Golf Live, you
Speaker 2: know on Fox, it's like I'm going to turn this
Speaker 2: on and Tiger Woods is there, You're not going to
Speaker 2: turn it off, you know. So, I mean there's definitely
Speaker 2: a business component to that stuff, and there's definitely a
Speaker 2: level of showcasing those types of players at those times.
Speaker 2: And as you said, I mean, when we get to
Speaker 2: the women's Senior or the you know, girls junior or
Speaker 2: the boys junior, you know, we're going to show the
Speaker 2: golf that's happening in the competitive matches. It's funny. You know.
Speaker 2: We had and it was it the US Amter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was US ambiteror last week, and you know, we
Speaker 2: only have so many cameras and we only have so
Speaker 2: much staff out there for these events because people might
Speaker 2: not know this, but to put on a golf telecast
Speaker 2: that actually costs money and so I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's weird, isn't it. And there was one match at
Speaker 2: the end that we weren't showing at all early and
Speaker 2: there were people on Twitter that were kind of and
Speaker 2: there was like two people on Twitter that were complaining
Speaker 2: to us about it. But you know, I mean, I
Speaker 2: get it if it's your friend or your buddy out
Speaker 2: there playing, and we want to showcase everybody. And we're
Speaker 2: going to eventually get to that because we have a window.
Speaker 2: We're going to have to show these matches and it's
Speaker 2: going to be if it's the last match out, it's
Speaker 2: going to be the one that fills. But it's just
Speaker 2: so funny. Some of the times you get the people
Speaker 2: that complain about certain stuff and you're like, we're showing
Speaker 2: commercial free coverage of the US Amateur from Pebble with
Speaker 2: some of these camera angles that nobody's ever seen yet
Speaker 2: they're still going, why are you not showing this match?
Speaker 2: Like sorry, man, I mean, Cole Hammer's playing, you know,
Speaker 2: Cole Hammers like this next? What we to be kind
Speaker 2: of the next you know, big thing in young American golf.
Speaker 2: It's like, if he's playing a match and he's playing, well,
Speaker 2: we're probably gonna show a lot.
Speaker 1: Of his match that could something else, huh.
Speaker 2: I mean just that match, that semi final match, and
Speaker 2: I had I had the the the US Amateur champion
Speaker 2: on on my podcast, but you know, chatting with him
Speaker 2: a little bit about that. That match between those two,
Speaker 2: Victor and Cole that was as good a golf as
Speaker 2: I've seen this year. I mean, they were playing unbelievable
Speaker 2: and they were making putts on top of each other,
Speaker 2: and you know, Cole Hammer hung in there and Victor
Speaker 2: hovelin Berdie's his last five holes, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's just a reminder to people, as I always say,
Speaker 2: these amateurs are amateur by word only you know, with
Speaker 2: how much they practice in every all of the technology
Speaker 2: they have around themselves, they've got the ability to go
Speaker 2: out there and fire numbers. I mean, you look at it.
Speaker 2: Braden Thornberry, who you know nearly wins you know, a
Speaker 2: PGA Tour event. I mean, there's these guys out there
Speaker 2: that that are really really close to being on that level,
Speaker 2: if not already to that level, and they're going to
Speaker 2: get to that level quick the moment they turned professional.
Speaker 2: And it's just a big, big difference than what golf
Speaker 2: looked like ten years ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Nieman. He's nineteen, he should be
Speaker 1: a freshman in college, and.
Speaker 2: He's unbelievable professionally. It's just stupid. It's it's there's a
Speaker 2: level of confidence, and I wonder I'd love to know
Speaker 2: if college coaches teach confidence in a different way, or
Speaker 2: if they push confidence in a different way these days,
Speaker 2: then maybe what they used to, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: you hear Paul Easinger talk a lot about the way
Speaker 2: he played when he was, you know, in college, and
Speaker 2: how he he always says he couldn't break seventy seven.
Speaker 2: But you know, this is a guy that was one
Speaker 2: of the best players in the world for a long time,
Speaker 2: and you know that's not the case now. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're in college and you're shooting If you're in
Speaker 2: college and you're shooting seventy five, you know, you're probably
Speaker 2: not going to make the team ever, you know. And
Speaker 2: that's just how that goes until you figure it out.
Speaker 2: So I just wonder if there's a different conversation and
Speaker 2: a different dialogue with the coaches now to say, you know,
Speaker 2: you've got to be great now, Like you can't be good,
Speaker 2: You've got to be great now, because that's what it's
Speaker 2: going to take.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because you see it. I see it on
Speaker 1: like at like a state level, like these kids and
Speaker 1: what's happened with like amateur golf, Like if you don't
Speaker 1: shoot like I remember when I was in college, Like
Speaker 1: if I shot seventy seven, I was in the State AM,
Speaker 1: you know, right, And nowadays it's like if you got
Speaker 1: to shoot even par or better to get into the
Speaker 1: state amp, you know. And there's so many kids that
Speaker 1: are so good. I mean, I played golf with a
Speaker 1: kid that's going to Illinois next year, you know, at
Speaker 1: his USAM qualifier, he shot ten under over two rounds,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I don't have ten I never
Speaker 1: have done under the bag and this kid has at eighteen.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's silly, and it's only getting younger.
Speaker 2: I always say when I play in those USAM or qualifiers,
Speaker 2: us OAM qualifiers, whatever. And you know, I live in Arizona,
Speaker 2: so a lot of SU kids, or if I'm done
Speaker 2: in two, so on, a lot of you of A kids,
Speaker 2: And they all hang around after not because they want
Speaker 2: to see what their friends shot or their teammates what
Speaker 2: they shot, but it's because they know their teammates shot
Speaker 2: something good enough to at least be in the conversation,
Speaker 2: and they're just waiting to see what that number is.
Speaker 2: That's what's crazy. Is it's not hey would you shoot? Hey,
Speaker 2: how'd you play? It's it's you know, how low was it?
Speaker 2: Was it four? Was it five? It's it's an expectation
Speaker 2: to go out there and do it. And I think
Speaker 2: that's why you're seeing so many amateurs in these events,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean there's there's nineteen amateurs or twenty
Speaker 2: nine ameters at the US Open. It was crazy how
Speaker 2: many of those guys there were, and they get there
Speaker 2: expecting to do well. You know, it's not just to
Speaker 2: show up and get your pending and walk around between
Speaker 2: the ropes and smile of fans. I mean they're there
Speaker 2: expecting to make the weekend and to play well enough
Speaker 2: to get in the conversation. And I said it this
Speaker 2: year and it was wrong. But I'll tell you this,
Speaker 2: we are going to get to a place at some
Speaker 2: point where I truly believe an amateur is going to
Speaker 2: be at least not maybe in the hunt come the weekend,
Speaker 2: but I could see, you know, at top ten or
Speaker 2: a couple of amateurs in the top ten in the
Speaker 2: coming years, because the confidence level just continues to soar.
Speaker 1: I've kind of been waiting for an amateur when at
Speaker 1: like the professional level. You know, a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago we had Paul in the final group of the Open.
Speaker 1: Then we had Morikawa was in a playoff on a
Speaker 1: web tour, and Thornberry Sam Burns was head of top ten.
Speaker 1: Both those guys, you know, like it's it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of time before one of these kids wins one
Speaker 1: of these things.
Speaker 2: Didn't Summer Hayes win something as an amateur.
Speaker 5: I think he won a web. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm.
Speaker 2: With you, but it's you know what's funny is I'm
Speaker 2: reading the match right now and I've never read it before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody wanted to know what took you so long.
Speaker 1: That's a question from Mike McGee.
Speaker 2: People that were not happy about that, and I'm like, listen, sorry,
Speaker 2: I just I mean, I've just never got around reading
Speaker 2: it and and I'm reading it right now, and it's funny.
Speaker 2: You know, the dialogue about the amateur golfer in that book.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know this is happening in the in
Speaker 2: the in the thirties and the forties and the fifties,
Speaker 2: but the dialogue around the idea of the amateur was
Speaker 2: this gentleman game, and it's it's turning. It's not because
Speaker 2: the golf's going back to this gentleman level of I'm
Speaker 2: going to be an amate golf because it's you know,
Speaker 2: you can make more money there, for goodness says we
Speaker 2: know that's not true, but I do. I'm very interested
Speaker 2: in the amateur competing in these events again, because I
Speaker 2: truly think there's a chance that this could be a thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think, you know, the the
Speaker 2: USGA would do in the Buddy Marucci's of the world
Speaker 2: would do if we had an amateur the final group
Speaker 2: of the US Open. I mean, it would be unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean it would be it would It would almost
Speaker 2: it would make you know, kind of their decision for
Speaker 2: all these years. It would make it almost kind of
Speaker 2: like worth the weight to see if this could happen,
Speaker 2: because I truly think it could. I think we could
Speaker 2: see an amateur maybe not win, but I could definitely
Speaker 2: see an amateur compete.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at I mean, like Cole Hammer is
Speaker 1: a perfect example. You know, he's uh Texas. You know,
Speaker 1: he's kind of like the next phenom for Texas after
Speaker 1: they had you know, Speith was the young phenom and
Speaker 1: then they had Hostler, who is you know. Hostler is
Speaker 1: like a good example of that because he was in
Speaker 1: contention at that US Open at Olympic.
Speaker 2: Club, right.
Speaker 1: So, I mean it's a matter of time. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the whole amateur game has changed. It's it's a
Speaker 1: fascinating thing with like mid ams and and ams and
Speaker 1: like I think the gap between you know, the mid
Speaker 1: am and the and the regular am, which is now
Speaker 1: college kids and high schoolers is getting wider than ever.
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree. I mean it's like I love trying
Speaker 2: to do the USA and are qualifying, but it's like, like,
Speaker 2: I got will you do it out there with those guys?
Speaker 2: Come on, Like it is a waste of my time.
Speaker 2: It's like I get out there and I shoot, Like
Speaker 2: you said, I shoot a great round of seventy six.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, well see you guys, and I
Speaker 2: sixty four.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing is like seventy two seventy is
Speaker 1: I remember that, even like four years ago I had
Speaker 1: I had a good USAM where I missed by like
Speaker 1: a shot, and I shot I think, I want to
Speaker 1: say shot seventy three seventy one, you know, And and it's
Speaker 1: like nowadays that's like just like pack up your bags.
Speaker 1: You got no chance. You're like trunk slamming. I mean,
Speaker 1: the kids are trunk slamming at that and that was
Speaker 1: like five years ago.
Speaker 2: Uber slamming. They're uber slamming. They'll get out of there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in terms of amateur golf, you know, it seems
Speaker 1: like you had a great time at the AM. Do
Speaker 1: you do you think more amateur golf coverage is coming.
Speaker 2: I would like to see it, you know, the Golf Channel,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, for US, I mean, obviously we
Speaker 2: do quite a bit of am or golf. I am
Speaker 2: actually surprised the Golf Channel doesn't do more of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm surprised that the Western AM's not televised.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised. I'd be I would. I don't understand why
Speaker 2: there's not. And I mean do they call them amateur majors?
Speaker 2: I mean, can we talk about what a major would
Speaker 2: be at ander Golf? But there's you know, there's four
Speaker 2: or five events that you could do the coverage from
Speaker 2: start to finish, and kudo's to Golf Channel on the
Speaker 2: collegiate coverage, they do a great job with that, and
Speaker 2: I just feel like, why wouldn't you do this? Because
Speaker 2: you know, the US Amateur's my favorite event we cover
Speaker 2: all year. I mean, and it's not even close. I mean,
Speaker 2: both the Women's and the US Amateur. The storylines, the play,
Speaker 2: the names that come out of it, the names you remember,
Speaker 2: the guys you see when they're fourteen and fifteen, they
Speaker 2: get through that eventually are eighteen and are competing. You know,
Speaker 2: you think about our first US Open cole Hammer's a
Speaker 2: fifteen year old US Open gets into that, and now
Speaker 2: he's the favorite coming into the US Amateur and he's
Speaker 2: a co medalist. You know, I love watching and walking
Speaker 2: those storylines through year after year, and I don't see
Speaker 2: how passionate golf people wouldn't be into that. I mean, again,
Speaker 2: you know there's budgets for television stuff and live events.
Speaker 2: Live golf is the biggest budget of any sport because
Speaker 2: there's so many cameras you need on different places. But
Speaker 2: I'd watched the Western Dam. I mean, you've watched the
Speaker 2: Western Dam. I'd be glued to it, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: this would be must watch TV for me. And with
Speaker 2: the with the way the PGA Tour is going to
Speaker 2: the passionate golf fan and the level of kind of
Speaker 2: intrigue that comes with the PJ Tour or lack thereof,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're going to be looking for
Speaker 2: more golf to watch on TV. And to me, amer
Speaker 2: Golf makes the most sense it.
Speaker 6: I feel like they could do low budget telecast do
Speaker 6: like we saw it when the guys were on strike
Speaker 6: this year, rise as Sony, Like they really only need
Speaker 6: a couple cameras to do it effectively, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, I mean it's yeah. I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess you're right like to see it. Sure, I mean,
Speaker 2: you'd be hard pressed to find somebody in TV that
Speaker 2: would that would be willing to kind of take the
Speaker 2: we're going to do a low budget approach to it.
Speaker 2: But you know, you you do the back nine of
Speaker 2: the Western I mean, you know, you don't have to
Speaker 2: have as many cameras. It's almost like the Masters in
Speaker 2: the old days. I think if that happened, inevitably, more
Speaker 2: invites would come for that stuff.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: That's something I always wish would happen. I wish there
Speaker 2: was more more invites to things for these guys that
Speaker 2: win these huge events, because these huge events are very,
Speaker 2: very hard to win. You know, the Western am is,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, the hardest event in the world to win,
Speaker 2: professional or amateur or otherwise. And you should get invited
Speaker 2: to this big stuff if you win that thing. It's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't understand getting.
Speaker 2: The US Open and the Masters in the PG Championship
Speaker 2: like that should be an honor to come with it.
Speaker 2: And I feel like if the TV, if TV followed that,
Speaker 2: maybe there'd be a better chance of that happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be cool, I think with I think
Speaker 1: it's we're going to see more of it in the future.
Speaker 1: It would be you know, there's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: the Pacific Coast AM is always a big one, you know,
Speaker 1: the Sonnyanna. You know, there's there's North South, like there
Speaker 1: are a lot of really cool events that these kids
Speaker 1: are so good, that's the thing, you know. You like,
Speaker 1: I watched the Western AM. I didn't go this year.
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of stuff, but the year before,
Speaker 1: you know, and these guys go around and shoot like
Speaker 1: sixty three at Skochie in Chicago, which is like, like
Speaker 1: sixty three is like not what I expected.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's a joke. But no, I
Speaker 2: you know again, you know, I love being a part
Speaker 2: of something like the US Open because it's the US Open,
Speaker 2: but you know, for me to to get a chance
Speaker 2: to do these you know, quote unquote lower level events
Speaker 2: at the US Junior or the Curtis Cup, things like that,
Speaker 2: you know, the passion in those events, the passion of
Speaker 2: the golf and the passion of the win, and it's
Speaker 2: simply being a match win, you know, winning a mansion
Speaker 2: moving on. You know, the passion there is what to
Speaker 2: me you and I is Golf's like now, the golf's better.
Speaker 2: But if I'm playing you for a ten dollars NASA,
Speaker 2: we're not really playing for the money, you know, We're
Speaker 2: really playing for to the win.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, pick up basketball. It's like why you get
Speaker 1: past it's the competitiveness in terms of what do you
Speaker 1: think the you you do the PGA Tour live stuff,
Speaker 1: so you're around the tour pros. What what do you
Speaker 1: think the biggest difference between the top ams and the
Speaker 1: your regular Joe Schmo tour player, say you're Billy Horsechell.
Speaker 2: It's probably putting, and it's probably course management, I would say.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a ton of course management even
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour anymore, but there's still a little
Speaker 2: bit of it, you know. I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 2: know brooks Keefka doesn't really do that, but you know,
Speaker 2: there is a level of understanding when to attack and
Speaker 2: when not to. And I think you still see amateurs
Speaker 2: at times, in big pressure moments, maybe make a decision
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have made because they think they've got to
Speaker 2: win that hole and that's the last time. You know
Speaker 2: what's funny is is I saw a lot of that
Speaker 2: with putting this week, or excuse me, this past week
Speaker 2: with Pebble Beach. Was I saw a lot on the
Speaker 2: greens when a guy's two down or three down with
Speaker 2: five to go and it's a birdie putt and they
Speaker 2: gas at twelve feet by because they think they have
Speaker 2: to make the birdie putt, not thinking themselves. If I
Speaker 2: three putt this, I'm oh, it's over. You know. Even
Speaker 2: if I don't make this BIRDI putt and I've got
Speaker 2: a couple to go, I could pull something off.
Speaker 1: That's a fascinating thing that I think. I like, I
Speaker 1: always think about, like how I've learned about stuff, like
Speaker 1: as I get older, Like I'm so much smarter now.
Speaker 1: I'm not nearly as good as I used to be,
Speaker 1: but I'm way better, if that makes sense, right, And
Speaker 1: like one of the things people will be like, well, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm playing a two man game, they'll
Speaker 1: be like, this this putt.
Speaker 5: If it doesn't go in, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I say back, I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: going in the same speed as if it was going
Speaker 1: to go in. If this if the next putt really mattered, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in this whole making putts like you
Speaker 1: hit it harder to make it, Like, just hit the
Speaker 1: putt the same speed you'd usually hit it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, absolutely, you know that's something that I do, and
Speaker 2: I've done poorly in especially best ball qualifiers. My buddy
Speaker 2: Ashton Woods and I have yet to qualify for the
Speaker 2: four ball. I think we missed out by a shot
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. But I tend I feel
Speaker 2: like I have at times felt like these putts are
Speaker 2: do or die when I'm the guy hitting a birdie putt,
Speaker 2: and if I was playing just by myself, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: do that. So I've almost started to try to approach
Speaker 2: those types of things, a two man thing in particular,
Speaker 2: just trying to play golf all my own, thinking that
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's exactly what it'd be like if
Speaker 2: it was a strokeplay event, because there's so much pressure.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm the last one with a BIRDI putt.
Speaker 2: I well, I've got to make it, you know, And
Speaker 2: you're like, well, yeah, but I mean you want to
Speaker 2: make every putty you hit, don't you, So why wouldn't
Speaker 2: you just roll the same way.
Speaker 5: You're trying to make every part right exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean you're trying to make You're trying to make
Speaker 2: every putt or that that's makeable, right. I mean there's
Speaker 2: definitely puts you know you're not that aren't a realistic opportunity.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're trying to make every puts, So hit it,
Speaker 2: hit it to make it, but also hit it knowing
Speaker 2: that you know it's it's got to go in, as
Speaker 2: you said, with a certain speed. You're not just taking
Speaker 2: the breakout in gas and a ten foot you know.
Speaker 1: I heard somebody told me that they their trick for
Speaker 1: the two the best ball tournaments as they play a
Speaker 1: mat against each other.
Speaker 2: What's that? Any starts say that again?
Speaker 5: I heard this trick.
Speaker 1: This guy told me he's he's had a ton of
Speaker 1: success in two man tournaments and him and his partner
Speaker 1: play matches against each other.
Speaker 2: Interesting, so internally between the two they play against, they
Speaker 2: have like they have probably.
Speaker 1: For me, they have like a betting game between the
Speaker 1: two of them during while they're playing together in a tournament.
Speaker 1: So the other each other are just trying to beat
Speaker 1: the ship out of each other.
Speaker 2: The whole time. Yeah. I mean it's probably so smart.
Speaker 2: I mean, and then you get done and you go
Speaker 2: we either qualified or we didn't, but we had fun
Speaker 2: doing it. There's Yeah. The idea that is it gets uh,
Speaker 2: the pressure can the pressure can make you play golf
Speaker 2: a way you never play golf. And it's that's the
Speaker 2: big difference in people that can do it and people
Speaker 2: that can't.
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, it's all it's all comfort.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is like the pressure makes you uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and uncomfortable is when people just do bad. It's that's
Speaker 1: the that's the trick to tournament off is getting comfortable.
Speaker 2: I mean there's been plenty of times where I'm not
Speaker 2: comfortable and the scores absolutely reflected.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's awful.
Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than when you're on the first t
Speaker 1: and you know you're not ready.
Speaker 5: To play in the tournament.
Speaker 1: So what was your favorite course to cover this year
Speaker 1: on the USGA circuit And what was your favorite course
Speaker 1: that you played either USGA or non USGA course.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's just because I'm talking to you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think covering Chicago golf, getting a chance
Speaker 2: to see it for a first time, getting a chance
Speaker 2: to show it with the cameras we had and allow
Speaker 2: people kind of a glimpse into that place. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, there's probably two or three places in the
Speaker 2: country that maybe or as exclusive in the sense of
Speaker 2: eyeballs on at the Chicago Golf So I think mixing
Speaker 2: that with the fact that it was a first USGA
Speaker 2: championship and you were a part of that, that was
Speaker 2: pretty special. I felt like our team kind of approached
Speaker 2: it that way. You know, they went in to it knowing,
Speaker 2: you know, this is this is gonna be the you know,
Speaker 2: there's not many first USGA championships, and to get it,
Speaker 2: to get to do it on Chicago Golf and then
Speaker 2: my favorite course I played on the road, you know,
Speaker 2: I played. Didn't play a ton of golf this year.
Speaker 2: Last year we played golf all the time. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean we played Prairie Dunes twice one week. Last year,
Speaker 2: we played Myopia and Essex and all these crazy places.
Speaker 2: This year, didn't play a ton of golf. I did
Speaker 2: get a chance to play Fishers during media Day, and
Speaker 2: I think, you know, just in the sense of a
Speaker 2: day and an experience, that was probably the best, just
Speaker 2: because you know, there's you know, there's going to play
Speaker 2: an elite level golf course that's in elite level condition.
Speaker 2: Fishers is not going to be an elite level condition
Speaker 2: just because it's just that's just not what it is.
Speaker 2: You know, It's it's in it's in good condition, and
Speaker 2: it's a piece of property that I've always wanted to see.
Speaker 2: And you know, we did the whole thing. We did
Speaker 2: the ferry and the boat and the driving and so
Speaker 2: it's an entire day to go see this kind of
Speaker 2: gem of a golf course. So that was probably my favorite.
Speaker 2: I had a hell of a good time doing that.
Speaker 2: And then you know, I mean I got I got
Speaker 2: to play you know, I got to play in that
Speaker 2: National and Cypress. You know, I mean these are two
Speaker 2: of the best golf courses in the country, and so
Speaker 2: I mean you kind of take your pick on those.
Speaker 2: I almost feel like they're kind of similar, you know,
Speaker 2: they're they're a small, smaller ballparks next to these championship
Speaker 2: golf courses that host championship events. Yet they're the ones
Speaker 2: that everybody tries to get on. You know, everybody wants
Speaker 2: to get on National and everybody wants to get on Cypress.
Speaker 2: Overplaying a pebble, and so you know, that's what you know.
Speaker 2: People I had a friend asked me, is Cyprus your
Speaker 2: favorite course you ever played? And you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what that means. I don't know what my favorite
Speaker 2: course is. I know what my favorite experiences were, and
Speaker 2: I almost vote, voted and rate it more on that.
Speaker 2: You know, the experiences of the people you're with and
Speaker 2: how much they're into it, and how fun you're having
Speaker 2: and how much you're taking in the course. You know,
Speaker 2: how often are you pulling out a camera? I think
Speaker 2: is something that is that I've really started to be
Speaker 2: cognizant of. And I know, with you and i's jobs
Speaker 2: and with plenty of people around, that's part of it.
Speaker 2: So one of my kind of rules is, like I
Speaker 2: I try to pull I try not to look at
Speaker 2: my or pull my phone or camera out at least
Speaker 2: on the entire front nine, because I know it's you know,
Speaker 2: we live in a world where we have to kind
Speaker 2: of post this stuff. But I don't want to be
Speaker 2: on that, you know, I want to be breathing in
Speaker 2: and looking around and enjoying the experience.
Speaker 1: So my new thing is, like I love the places
Speaker 1: that are like the strictest about no cell phones. I
Speaker 1: actually like I love when I leave my phone in
Speaker 1: my car and it's just gone and I just get.
Speaker 6: To play golf.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: That's it's funny how it's changed, how golf isn't like
Speaker 1: just pure golf like it.
Speaker 2: Used to be. Well, and but you know the thing
Speaker 2: again is, you know, for me, you know, I've kind
Speaker 2: of got I got to post the golf that I
Speaker 2: play because it's part of what we do, and I
Speaker 2: have I'm with you, I've kind of gone one ady
Speaker 2: on it. I mean, I don't I hate. I hate.
Speaker 2: I hate interrupting a moment of a round at a
Speaker 2: place like Cyprus to take a picture, even though I
Speaker 2: want to take pictures because every hole is awesome, you know.
Speaker 2: So you know, I want to have my phone out
Speaker 2: the entire time, but I I won't, and I don't
Speaker 2: need to because you know, when when when freaking Ben
Speaker 2: Hogan was walking around Cyprus Point, he wouldn't taken pictures,
Speaker 2: you know, and he could remember every hole on every
Speaker 2: step and every bump on every green because he was
Speaker 2: taking it in with different sensory details, and so like
Speaker 2: you know, for me, it's it's reminding myself that a
Speaker 2: picture doesn't define the fact that I was there. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't need a picture to say I played Cyprus point.
Speaker 2: I played Cyber's point because I played Cyber's point And
Speaker 2: There'll be moments from that round that I remember the
Speaker 2: rest of my life. And uh. And so I'm trying,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm really really trying to be on
Speaker 2: my phone, if at all, maybe one or two holes
Speaker 2: to take a picture or two and then put it
Speaker 2: back away.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So with uh, with pebble, Uh and next year having
Speaker 1: the US Open, do you expect to see much changes
Speaker 1: to the course from us AM to US Open?
Speaker 4: And Uh?
Speaker 1: How how helpful was it to get to call it
Speaker 1: there and then have it there?
Speaker 2: Next year, the rough will be higher and the roff
Speaker 2: will be thicker. It'll it'll play a little bit different,
Speaker 2: just in the sense of scheduling. It was dry this week.
Speaker 2: I mean they hadn't had rains since April, so it
Speaker 2: was dried and pretty firm, and the greens were firm.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping you see a little bit about that. We'll
Speaker 2: have well, I think we'll have more. I think the
Speaker 2: winds will be more swirly when we're there. We didn't
Speaker 2: get a ton of wind during the few days there
Speaker 2: at Pebble, but I would say the roughs up. Having
Speaker 2: an opportunity to be there and cover it and get
Speaker 2: a feel for the way people play certain holes in
Speaker 2: certain shots and teas they might play certain days. I
Speaker 2: mean it's impossible to explain how beneficial that is for us.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy good. I mean, we know where
Speaker 2: the booth is, like, we know where the boot's gonna be.
Speaker 2: You know, we know where these amateur kids, where these
Speaker 2: kids are hitting their driver on eighteen. I mean, you'll
Speaker 2: never in fifty years of watching the AT and T
Speaker 2: you'll never see draws where these kids were on eighteen,
Speaker 2: just because it's a different time of year. I mean,
Speaker 2: they were thirty past the tree, forty past the tree
Speaker 2: hidden six irons and eighteen green. I mean, so it'll
Speaker 2: be interested to see if it plays a little like
Speaker 2: that in June, like it did, you know, in August. So,
Speaker 2: but you know, I think we'll see it. I think
Speaker 2: we'll see it play somewhat similar in the sense of scoring,
Speaker 2: because with the winds down, Pebble's gettable, and with the
Speaker 2: winds up it plays really difficult.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and I think those greens are so small too.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy how tough that place is. For that's
Speaker 1: a great example of a course offending part despite like
Speaker 1: without yardage.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, it's not a long golf course by any
Speaker 2: stretch of the imagination. But if you put yourself in
Speaker 2: one weird spot, you know, if you put yourself left
Speaker 2: on nine or ten, it's you're you're scrambling to save
Speaker 2: par despite having a note iron in your hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the thing too, is like the uneven
Speaker 1: lies out there like that. You know, you rarely have
Speaker 1: like a flat lie. It's something I've noticed I play
Speaker 1: less and less golf now, and I like, I know
Speaker 1: I actually play like par three's exceptionally well.
Speaker 5: And I thought about it the other day.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's because it's like a dead
Speaker 1: flat lie every time, you know, And it's like it
Speaker 1: gets so much harder when the ball is like above
Speaker 1: or below your feet and you know you have like
Speaker 1: a It's so weird how that little difference makes it.
Speaker 1: But that that at the pro levels, like everything if
Speaker 1: it's everything's flat, it's just target practice for these guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when it's it's like when it's soft.
Speaker 2: You know what I want to say this about pebble.
Speaker 2: I used to talk a little bit of trash about one,
Speaker 2: like everybody did. And you know two and it's a
Speaker 2: par five is kind of a gettable, kind of a whatever.
Speaker 2: Par five. Pebble's awesome. It is awesome. There are like
Speaker 2: it is. It is such an awesome walk around and
Speaker 2: the views in the in the par threes, you know,
Speaker 2: the kind of the different par threes you play, in
Speaker 2: the shots you play. You know, I hadn't been there
Speaker 2: in a while. I hadn't been a pebble probably in
Speaker 2: six or seven years. And I just walking around that
Speaker 2: place and drive around, you just you just forget how
Speaker 2: how strategic fifteen and sixteen are. You know, these are
Speaker 2: holes that you're not going to see the ocean, but
Speaker 2: they're there. You've got to put the ball in the
Speaker 2: right spot to take advantage, and the greens defend, like
Speaker 2: you said, and I was. I was massively impressed by it.
Speaker 2: I don't spend a lot of time watching the pro
Speaker 2: am on TV just because it's a lot of it's
Speaker 2: a lot of non golf they show. But getting a
Speaker 2: chance to kind of take that golf course in for
Speaker 2: a few days of the Championship Golf Man, I was
Speaker 2: I'm pumped for the US Open. I think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be so awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the is like overrated.
Speaker 1: Take is so overblown, Like exactly, It's like it's in
Speaker 1: this tier of golf courses, like I don't think about
Speaker 1: like numbers, but rather like classes. And it's like Pebble
Speaker 1: is the golf course that you get on a plane
Speaker 1: and go play, you know, like if somebody says, hey,
Speaker 1: we got a spot at Pebble and you don't have
Speaker 1: to pay, like I'm getting on a plane tomorrow to
Speaker 1: go play.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, there's you know, there's six or seven holes
Speaker 2: of pebble that are basically untouched. You know, there's nothing
Speaker 2: that can really touch them, and and that's what makes
Speaker 2: it fun. Also, the new T on ten is awesome.
Speaker 2: I hope they played the new T the new T
Speaker 2: on ten, but I bet they don't, but I wish
Speaker 2: they would.
Speaker 1: They have that one on nine too, that's way down
Speaker 1: to the right. I think I don't know if they
Speaker 1: used it last week, but yeah, that stretch of holes
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. So it's like it's probably the best stretch
Speaker 1: of golf and you know, one of the best stretch
Speaker 1: of off in North America. So I had KVV on
Speaker 1: the podcast a couple of weeks ago, and we talked
Speaker 1: about Golf Star and what changes we would make to
Speaker 1: the game. If you were the Golf Star, what's the
Speaker 1: one change you'd make?
Speaker 2: I would I would not be as afraid of match
Speaker 2: play on the professional level as it seems like we are.
Speaker 2: I would say that would probably be my first thing
Speaker 2: I would. I would I would move to PG Championship
Speaker 2: to match play immediately. I would probably make the Tour
Speaker 2: Championship match play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that should totally be match play.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was thinking about the playoff because I
Speaker 2: knew were going to talk a little playoffs and match
Speaker 2: plays fear. It's TV based, of course, but you know
Speaker 2: the match play fears. You get two guys that nobody
Speaker 2: cares about in the finals, and then you're gonna get
Speaker 2: bad ratings. The funny thing is, like the Tour Championships
Speaker 2: thirty guys, and they're always pretty much ninety five percent
Speaker 2: of guys you've heard of. I just don't understand what
Speaker 2: the fear is of that. You know, seems like the
Speaker 2: easiest event to make match play is a tour championship.
Speaker 1: They're worried about, like the Satoshi Kadeira against Seawou cam
Speaker 1: in the finals.
Speaker 4: But but again, I mean, but that's you know, I
Speaker 4: mean seem on the players like, yeah, it's like the
Speaker 4: fear again the golf.
Speaker 2: To me, the names are massively important. We talked about
Speaker 2: Tiger on Friday at the US Open, and showing him
Speaker 2: was big for golf and for the sport. But you know,
Speaker 2: when you're playing, when you're watching anybody play for a
Speaker 2: ton of a life changing amount of money, even for
Speaker 2: these professionals, and you're watching in a mass play format, God,
Speaker 2: it would be so awesome. I mean you look back, like,
Speaker 2: you know, the FedEx Pil playoffs when they first started,
Speaker 2: a little bit like the pebble take, it was easy
Speaker 2: to bag on them. I flipped a little bit on them.
Speaker 2: You know, it's four weeks. I wish they didn't have
Speaker 2: the break. I wish it was just four straight because
Speaker 2: I think it should be a little bit of an
Speaker 2: endurance test as well. But you know, four weeks and
Speaker 2: all the big guys play for four straight weeks, and
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that happens at any other time on
Speaker 2: tour all year. And also if you look back over
Speaker 2: the last few years, we've had some really fun finishes.
Speaker 2: I mean Ryan Moore versus Rory was great, that Sander
Speaker 2: was great. You know, Justin was closed and Jordan had
Speaker 2: a chance to maybe make it a Justin Jordan playoff
Speaker 2: for the FedEx Cup, which would have been would have
Speaker 2: been must have watched. You know. It's it's it's good,
Speaker 2: it's for what it's supposed to do. It's intriguing. I
Speaker 2: just think that if you made the Tour Championship match play,
Speaker 2: you get to that final with a lot more online
Speaker 2: than than anything else. These guys seeing that in that world, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you could.
Speaker 1: Go to thirty two guys instead of sixteen exactly, instead
Speaker 1: of thirty So you go to thirty two and then
Speaker 1: you take those thirty two and it's thirty two sixteen
Speaker 1: eight four two, so it'd be five rounds and so
Speaker 1: it starts on like starts on Wednesday instead of.
Speaker 5: Thursday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you and then you you make you
Speaker 2: make the gaps of pay pretty wide for make it
Speaker 2: at the next day. So like if you get to
Speaker 2: the final four, the gap is is it's a big,
Speaker 2: big jump it's not like everybody's cashing a ton of money.
Speaker 2: You should make the gaps worthwhile. I mean, not like
Speaker 2: these guys need the money anyway, but at least it's
Speaker 2: something they think about in their heads. But I don't
Speaker 2: know that's something I would do that the professional world
Speaker 2: being afraid of match play is something that bothers me
Speaker 2: a little bit because it's something that match play is,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, the best way to golf. And uh
Speaker 2: and we as a people, for whatever reason, have we're
Speaker 2: like afraid of it. You know, it's like we have
Speaker 2: to turn in scores, we have to have a handicap.
Speaker 2: I would I would say golf carts in general, I
Speaker 2: would probably limit. I just think, you know, if you
Speaker 2: want to have golf carts on every course, you you
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't have a golf cart at any historic golf
Speaker 2: course and unless you know, obviously someone needs it for
Speaker 2: health reasons. And and I would just say, you know,
Speaker 2: walking is walking a golf course is a completely different experience,
Speaker 2: and as long as it's not a million degrees, it
Speaker 2: makes the game and sport more enjoyable. I really believe.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what else I would let
Speaker 2: the PJ Tour players wear shorts too. I don't understand
Speaker 2: why they have to wear pants.
Speaker 1: You might get a personal call from Jeff Shackelford.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was that was one of my favorite
Speaker 2: things I said something about. I joked on that tweet
Speaker 2: about how the NBA players wear shorts in the finals
Speaker 2: and how that's disgraceful obviously, just kind of poking fun
Speaker 2: of Jeff, who I like a lot. And I had
Speaker 2: four or five responses to people that were like, that's
Speaker 2: not the same, and I was like, yeah, you didn't
Speaker 2: get my joke. It's funny how Twitter sometimes you can't
Speaker 2: you can't totally pick up on it. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think of some other stuff that I would do. I
Speaker 2: just I'm just in this camp. The golf's fine, you know,
Speaker 2: like like I think people that love golf love golf,
Speaker 2: you know, and people are eventually going to get to it.
Speaker 2: I've said this a lot, but we spent like the
Speaker 2: better part of the two thousands trying to get people
Speaker 2: that were like sixteen years old interested in golf, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're going to eventually be thirty and they'll
Speaker 2: be looking for something to do.
Speaker 1: That's all my friends and now are played golf all
Speaker 1: the time on weekends and they always want I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't play, but like they all like love golf.
Speaker 1: In college, they all made fun of me for playing golf.
Speaker 2: Right, I just say, wait, I mean, if we just
Speaker 2: wait a little bit, people eventually come to the sport.
Speaker 2: It's funny that, you know, we sold this bill of
Speaker 2: goods like golf in Trouble, and it's like, well, we
Speaker 2: build a whole bunch of golf courses and a lot
Speaker 2: of them aren't very good, and they're expensive and it
Speaker 2: takes forever to play. Those are the things that to me.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you and I were having drinks
Speaker 2: and we were talking about winter Park in when we
Speaker 2: were in Chicago, and it's like, winter Park's successful because
Speaker 2: of the business model. It's not because of anything other
Speaker 2: than the fact that it allows people to come out
Speaker 2: there any way they want for a relatively solid amount
Speaker 2: of money and enjoy themselves in their capacity. And it's
Speaker 2: not like get here and it's three hundred dollars and
Speaker 2: you're on the tea now and you've got to play
Speaker 2: it this fast and you've got to get done, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna yell at you and then leave the property
Speaker 2: because that's the end of your day. You know. It's
Speaker 2: just to me, it's the business approach to it. And
Speaker 2: if you approach it with a little bit more of
Speaker 2: a relaxed kind of ideal, then I think it would work.
Speaker 2: I just I mean, if you want me to be bizarre,
Speaker 2: I'd say, build fifty winter parks in every state.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, allow people that opportunity to take in golf.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just different experience. I think just in general, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think golf, like golf needs to just appeal to like
Speaker 1: the die hard golfer, because like, the more somebody's friend
Speaker 1: loves golf, the more likely they're going to make their
Speaker 1: friends come golf with them. You know, they're going to
Speaker 1: keep talking about it until they try it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and they're gonna want to check courses off their
Speaker 2: list and destinations and places to go and see this
Speaker 2: and experience that. And you know that's what that's what
Speaker 2: my friends, my friends love of the game is not
Speaker 2: watching Jordan Speed, no offense to Jordan Speed, and it's
Speaker 2: not watching Phil Mickelson, and it's not watching Dustin Johnson.
Speaker 2: You know, my friends love my friends who are my
Speaker 2: best friends. Their love of golf is you know, I
Speaker 2: sent an email yesterday about our golf trip to Tubac,
Speaker 2: Arizona in early January. You know, that's why they love golf,
Speaker 2: you know, for the for the three days they get
Speaker 2: to spend at a twenty seven hole facility that most
Speaker 2: people don't know much about, just enjoying golf and the
Speaker 2: people around it. That's kind of what I talk about
Speaker 2: with the courses. You know, it's the experience of it
Speaker 2: as much as anything. And if you're having a fun
Speaker 2: experience and golf is involved, it's going to leave you
Speaker 2: with a good taste in your mouth, you know. And
Speaker 2: and it's that's that's a pretty simple, you know, simple philosophy.
Speaker 2: I think that's why Bannon has always been so popular.
Speaker 2: You know. I think Bannon so popular because, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a name, and it's a resort name that people know
Speaker 2: when they could buy a shirt from and wear a logo.
Speaker 2: But I think the fact that when you're there, you
Speaker 2: a don't feel like you're intruding, and b you have
Speaker 2: plenty of places to just enjoy yourself. If it's not
Speaker 2: the Preserve, its shorties or the driving range or the
Speaker 2: nineteenth Hole, or the kind of the different layouts of
Speaker 2: the pubs, or it's going back to the cottage and
Speaker 2: just sitting down in a fairly relaxing chair that doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like it cost a billion dollars and you just
Speaker 2: kind of take in the weather and you know that
Speaker 2: that is to me, it's it's a it's a simple approach, sure,
Speaker 2: but you know, you leave that place feeling good, even
Speaker 2: if you played bad, you leave the place feeling good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, and it's it's just it's uh catered
Speaker 3: towards the the masses as opposed to you know, the
Speaker 3: the one percent professional like the you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to beg too much on TPC network, but you know,
Speaker 3: the idea of playing a off course and it's built
Speaker 3: for pros, like as a fifteen handicap is like, that's
Speaker 3: just a preposterously dumb idea.
Speaker 1: You know, just go get your teeth kicked in for
Speaker 1: two hours or four hours, five hours.
Speaker 2: It's so funny you and I talked about it a lot.
Speaker 2: It's so funny that, like I mean, for decades, Andy,
Speaker 2: for decades, the only places you really went with these
Speaker 2: places that would beat the shit out of you. You're like, hey,
Speaker 2: let's go on this golf trip to X place, and
Speaker 2: you go when it's seventy four hundred and it's impossible
Speaker 2: and two yards off the fairway is is you lose
Speaker 2: your ball? And you're like, I spent a lot of
Speaker 2: money on this trip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like the first reaction is hard,
Speaker 1: Like I can't stand that. It's it's the worst thing
Speaker 1: in the world. But uh, speaking of match play, Ryder
Speaker 1: Cup coming up, who's winning? If you gounder your head today?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean, I guess I'll go us. I
Speaker 2: know it's been a long time. I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be more competitive than maybe some of my fellow
Speaker 2: golf journalism people believe it will be. I know there's
Speaker 2: been some people that are saying it's going to be
Speaker 2: an American route. I don't think it's ever going to
Speaker 2: be an American route when it's on international soil. But
Speaker 2: the American team is from one through twelve is silly good?
Speaker 2: I mean, And that is what you always see when
Speaker 2: it's competitive, is who wins those matches or the guys
Speaker 2: that play, you know, one team match and play singles
Speaker 2: and when it comes down to that. On Sunday and singles,
Speaker 2: when everybody's out on the golf course, I almost feel
Speaker 2: like there'll be four fairly assured points from the guys
Speaker 2: that are on the bottom part of the roster. Now,
Speaker 2: I mean, of course they could lose the match, anybody could,
Speaker 2: but I feel like if you were going to look
Speaker 2: at that, that's where the handicap is on. A very
Speaker 2: very advantageous side for the Americans is the guys that
Speaker 2: are just going to make the team, the guys that
Speaker 2: just qualified in, or the guys that have to be
Speaker 2: asked to play. And you know, it's the thing the Internet,
Speaker 2: the thing that Europe has that they can play the
Speaker 2: hand of if they do it the right way. Is
Speaker 2: basically just play their four best teams every time. And
Speaker 2: I mean that'll be exhausting, but I think that's probably
Speaker 2: their best play is to play the guys that are
Speaker 2: from the same countries that'll be excited to play together
Speaker 2: and almost almost allow those teams to go out there
Speaker 2: until they lose, you know, and say, Rory, if you
Speaker 2: want to play with Ian Poulter like you did four
Speaker 2: years ago, y'all go play together, and y'all are the
Speaker 2: team that are going to play four matches, and like
Speaker 2: that's how it's going to go down. And the same
Speaker 2: for Stinson and Norin. You know if they if Stinson's
Speaker 2: on the team, it's like, you two guys go play.
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys want to play together. Y'all play.
Speaker 2: Y'all are going to be our B team.
Speaker 1: And what about Justin Rose and Stinson, the icemann in Ross,
Speaker 1: that's the team?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's what I'm saying is like, whatever the
Speaker 2: team is, you go with. Like I think that because
Speaker 2: of this, because the Americans are better him through twelve.
Speaker 2: If I was the Europeans, I would probably just play
Speaker 2: the I would probably just play our four best teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Molinari's got to play every single.
Speaker 2: Every single match. Yeah, every match he's playing.
Speaker 1: He's like one of the three best players in the
Speaker 1: world right now.
Speaker 2: And like and like you know, I mean like John Rahm,
Speaker 2: who hasn't had as good as year as he's had
Speaker 2: in years past. But you know, Rom's got to find
Speaker 2: somebody he's gonna be excited to play with. And like
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to roll these big name players out
Speaker 2: a lot, and uh.
Speaker 1: Rom should play with Sevy, you know, bring him back
Speaker 1: because he's idolized like any Spanish player.
Speaker 2: Any Spanish player that's ever played. It's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things like who is it
Speaker 2: gonna be? Rom and Sergio? I mean, I guess I.
Speaker 1: Don't know if Sergio is even making a team.
Speaker 2: They'll probably get him on.
Speaker 1: They have to put him on, right yeah, I think so,
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing is like Stenson Sergio Poulter is
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a pick now. Polter is like
Speaker 1: a lock right for sure. And then you know Sergio
Speaker 1: and Stenson are outside, you know, Cabrera bao Okay.
Speaker 2: Shane Ryan, I think Shane Ryan wrote this, But like,
Speaker 2: what's wrong with me wanting to root for the Europeans
Speaker 2: because I kind of do want to root for the Europeans.
Speaker 1: I kind of am rooting for the Europeans.
Speaker 5: Also, I kind of.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I feel like it's become such a
Speaker 2: popular opinion, like the America team's gonna roll, and it's
Speaker 2: like all like the perfectly cookie cutter players that are
Speaker 2: like massively successful, like Jordan and Justin and Brooks and
Speaker 2: all these guys that are like they're like perfect in golf,
Speaker 2: and I feel like it's almost flipped where it was
Speaker 2: like that was the team for the Europeans for so long,
Speaker 2: and we'd roll out these guys and you'd be like,
Speaker 2: maybe they have a chance, even though you knew they
Speaker 2: probably didn't really have a chance. And I'll say, you know,
Speaker 2: with us covering these team events, I think that the
Speaker 2: team events are the easiest events to predict by looking
Speaker 2: at the teams on looking at the players on paper.
Speaker 2: You know, like we had the Walker Cup last year
Speaker 2: and there was no doubt in my mind the Americans
Speaker 2: were going to kill him and they did, and there
Speaker 2: was no doubt in my mind the Americans are gonna
Speaker 2: win when you just look.
Speaker 1: At the players, you know, I think the European team
Speaker 1: has better personalities, agreed, you know they have they have Poulter,
Speaker 1: they have McElroy, They've got you know, like Fleetwood is
Speaker 1: like I think, impossible to route against. He's like him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's going to be a superstar. I think Noran's a
Speaker 1: good dude, you know, like to root for. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just think they have like a more like you know,
Speaker 1: Web and Bubba don't really do it for me, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't have an I don't have an opinion really,
Speaker 1: you know, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I love watching Ricky Fowler play golf.
Speaker 2: I do. I really enjoy watching Ricky play golf. But
Speaker 2: it's not like, you know, like he's not gonna be
Speaker 2: out on the course during the Ryder Cup like running
Speaker 2: around high fiving like Sergio in ninety nine. You know,
Speaker 2: like it's like I know what I'm getting with most
Speaker 2: of the guys on the American side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, is like there's more personality on
Speaker 1: the on the European team. That's why they're more Why
Speaker 1: I feel like I want to root for him more.
Speaker 2: I just like I guess, like my American allegiance, like
Speaker 2: I if there's if there's a thing, it's like I
Speaker 2: kind of think about it in the Olympics a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm always like I'm rooting for this American speed stater
Speaker 2: and there's this guy from Belgium that's gonna win like
Speaker 2: one of three Winter Olympic medals for his entire country,
Speaker 2: Like why I don't want that? Gotta win, that's this
Speaker 2: guy's gonna like change his entire life for the rest
Speaker 2: of his life. He wins and like the American person
Speaker 2: with no personality wins. You're like, sweet, you know you're
Speaker 2: another American that was successful. I don't know. There's times
Speaker 2: where I sometimes I'm like, I'm rooting for the other dog.
Speaker 2: I really like the underdog.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, because like a gold medal at
Speaker 1: a small in a small country is so much more
Speaker 1: significant than a gold medal in the US, because we
Speaker 1: get like one hundred gold medalists per Olympics every Olympics.
Speaker 2: Yes, and there's three that. There's three Olympians every time
Speaker 2: that are like the ones that make the wheaties box.
Speaker 2: And then other than that, you're like, oh, that American
Speaker 2: team won the losee awesome. Sweet, And then you change
Speaker 2: the channel and you have no idea who the names were,
Speaker 2: you know. For the most part, that's kind of my
Speaker 2: Molinari thing when so many people were bummed out on
Speaker 2: social media because Tiger didn't win the British and I
Speaker 2: was like, yo, this guy is the first player from
Speaker 2: Italy ever to win a major like this is unbelievable
Speaker 2: for their country and for golf there for the next
Speaker 2: two hundred years. And we're like, well, a tired didn't
Speaker 2: get fifteen, not.
Speaker 1: To mention the manner he did it in, like Tiger
Speaker 1: made the charge. Like I remember I tweeted something and
Speaker 1: like it was like on whole seven. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think Molinari is the only guy that can ruin
Speaker 1: this for us, you know, and like so many people.
Speaker 5: Were like, oh what about Rory?
Speaker 1: What about Like you could just see Molinari just was
Speaker 1: playing perfect golf, you know, like he he won because
Speaker 1: he just outplayed everybody else.
Speaker 5: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's silly. But no, I I I'm really
Speaker 2: excited about the Ryder Cup. I'm really excited to see
Speaker 2: what transpires. And my hope to all hopes is that
Speaker 2: it's not a complete blowout because we don't get these
Speaker 2: things much. We don't get these things a professional golf
Speaker 2: that like peak everybody's interests much.
Speaker 5: You know, mm hmm yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the other thing, I'm excited to see French
Speaker 1: fans like what, what's the French golf turnout gonna be?
Speaker 1: Like what are are they gonna be polite? Are they
Speaker 1: gonna be really rude? Like are we gonna get like
Speaker 1: Baye by Bui and French?
Speaker 2: Oh? I wonder what it is have you Google translated?
Speaker 5: No, no, I just thought of this.
Speaker 2: We should figure we should figure this out.
Speaker 1: We should actually is Victor Duboissan gonna just run out
Speaker 1: onto the course?
Speaker 2: I should have made it is there's gotta be a
Speaker 2: phrase that French golfers yell, and we should figure out
Speaker 2: what that is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get some T shirts. You know.
Speaker 1: That's we were walking around with it all in Chicago
Speaker 1: and end of September.
Speaker 2: I love it. He's a great business idea.
Speaker 1: So hey, uh, the two are we we're talking about
Speaker 1: all these young guys earlier? What's going to happen as
Speaker 1: this trend. I don't think it's slowing down. I think
Speaker 1: you agree it's not. So it's just going to get younger,
Speaker 1: right right? What happens to all the forty year olds?
Speaker 2: I think the Champions Tour my move to forty five.
Speaker 2: And this is without any inside information, I could see
Speaker 2: it going to forty five.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: One of my contributors wrote this article that I'm in
Speaker 1: post soon and it's like the median age has dropped
Speaker 1: four years in the last you know, twenty years of
Speaker 1: pro golfers.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wrote and this was this was
Speaker 2: when I wrote This was probably three or four years ago,
Speaker 2: four or five years ago, and I wrote, I did
Speaker 2: the math for like the last ten Majors, and the
Speaker 2: average age of major win it was thirty three. And
Speaker 2: that's obviously not the case now, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: Koepka and Speed and JT and these guys, like you're
Speaker 2: going to see a teenager win a major soon, You're
Speaker 2: gonna see I mean, like an eighteen year old. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, we talked about Niemen. I mean, he could
Speaker 2: win a major and nobody would bad an eye at all.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I mean, I it's you know,
Speaker 2: what's funny is funny you asked this question. I was
Speaker 2: the US Amateur and then I'm reading the match and
Speaker 2: I'm I'm got this. I'm like super in on amateur
Speaker 2: golf right now. Like I'm like, I'm like, it's high
Speaker 2: on the cloud of amber golf I've ever been in
Speaker 2: my life. And I was thinking about it. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to really start to try to work on
Speaker 2: my game, and I want to like start playing in
Speaker 2: these amateur events, like I want to play, but not
Speaker 2: just the USA Amateur and the mid am I want
Speaker 2: to play in these other amateur events too, And then
Speaker 2: I was like thoughts to at I'm like, I'm thirty four,
Speaker 2: Like these guys are like seventeen. Like I can't play
Speaker 2: against these guys.
Speaker 1: You gotta get on the cocktail circuit, man, you gotta
Speaker 1: get in the mid am circuit.
Speaker 2: No, I know, but I was thinking to myself, I
Speaker 2: was like, this is this is an unrealistic thing for
Speaker 2: me to think about, you know, like we never at
Speaker 2: the US Amateur ever ever see somebody thirty four in
Speaker 2: the in the quarterfinals.
Speaker 1: But that's the shame is there used to be like
Speaker 1: Nathan Smith and Mike McCoy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Buddy Marucci played Tiger in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: five and.
Speaker 1: The finals and then he made it the semi finals
Speaker 1: the next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's unbelievable. These these like lifelong amateur
Speaker 2: Stuart Hagistead makes it to around the thirty two and
Speaker 2: it's like this story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's twenty eight, you know, yeah, like twenty eight.
Speaker 2: It's like a miracle.
Speaker 1: And I don't even think he's twenty. I think he's
Speaker 1: like twenty seven, twenty Yeah, he probably is twenty eight.
Speaker 2: You're probably right, I think I remember it from our
Speaker 2: bio sheets. I'm sure he'll text me if I'm wrong
Speaker 2: on this.
Speaker 1: I know he will touch both of us.
Speaker 2: But yes, it's it's just yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So I have a question, and this is the one
Speaker 2: thing I don't really get. Why are they so much better?
Speaker 2: Why are these young kids so much better at golf?
Speaker 1: I have this theory like me and you we grew
Speaker 1: up with. I mean, what was your first set of clubs,
Speaker 1: Like mine was like Tommy Armor eight forty fives and
Speaker 1: I remember playing like Slavesinger Golf Boss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was my first full set of adult clubs
Speaker 2: were top flight magnas.
Speaker 5: I remember the Yeah.
Speaker 2: The globe in the middle of the ball that would
Speaker 2: actually imprint on a belt if you hit it solidly.
Speaker 2: And so there was a globe in the middle of
Speaker 2: the ball where your group were supposed to be. This
Speaker 2: is just approach to interesting approach to the sweet spot
Speaker 2: there top light and.
Speaker 1: How far did you hit it when you were like fourteen,
Speaker 1: when you got into high school. Nowhere, this is a
Speaker 1: different like we did nowhere.
Speaker 5: We had these.
Speaker 1: Balls that didn't go anywhere, they went like they sliced
Speaker 1: like crap, like you know, you could hit a big slice,
Speaker 1: seventy yard slice and they went nowhere and it was
Speaker 1: like it was like you know pro. The other thing
Speaker 1: was like instructors would just guess, you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: love these, yeah, and they'd be like, oh, like you
Speaker 1: know you need to do this with your swing, like
Speaker 1: there was no numbers behind. Like I just think that
Speaker 1: we live in this era where like you literally can't
Speaker 1: miss right, Like I swing so hard at the ball
Speaker 1: now compared to the way I used to swing right, like.
Speaker 2: You had to manufacture golf shots. And you know what's
Speaker 2: funny is, dude, like I was watching the ninety nine
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup the other day and Miguel Jmenez hits this
Speaker 2: foul ball during play that's fifty yards left of everything
Speaker 2: and it went about knee high. And then I always
Speaker 2: think about stuff like Palmer and Norman on eighteen at
Speaker 2: the Masters hitting these shots thirty yards right of the green.
Speaker 2: It's like nobody does that. Like Jordan Speed hit that
Speaker 2: shot when he won the Masters on eighteen on Saturday,
Speaker 2: and it was like fifteen yards over the green and
Speaker 2: that was like the worst shot he hit all week.
Speaker 5: It's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the foul balls don't exist anymore as much, Like
Speaker 1: you know, like you can neck the crap out of
Speaker 1: a driver today and it just like goes straight and
Speaker 1: if it's firm and fast, it'll roll like forever.
Speaker 2: I mean, Rory won the PGA doing that with his
Speaker 2: three wood. Yeah, he necked that shot on ten and
Speaker 2: it rolled up there like twelve feet for eagle. I
Speaker 2: was like, that wasn't a good golf shot, but it
Speaker 2: turned out okay.
Speaker 5: So he is is that?
Speaker 1: Like I like, I grew up with this, Like DJ's
Speaker 1: the only good golfer in our age bracket, like great golfer,
Speaker 1: Like he's the only one. Everyone else is younger or older,
Speaker 1: like justin rose age, which is like thirty eight thirty nine.
Speaker 5: Like there's this gap of people that we.
Speaker 1: Like when we were in college and the pro V
Speaker 1: one like was really hitting the prime and technology was developing,
Speaker 1: the high school kids were better than us.
Speaker 2: I mean, so you're saying that we had to live
Speaker 2: through the transition time between yeah, like the wound and
Speaker 2: the new age ball, and because of that, we lost
Speaker 2: like two years of knowing how to play, Like.
Speaker 1: We essentially just were worse because we had to, like
Speaker 1: we had to like learn a new golf swing. Like
Speaker 1: my golf swing today is so much different. Like you know,
Speaker 1: like all you do is hit up on the ball
Speaker 1: with a driver, try to. I just try to and
Speaker 1: it goes you know, take saw the spinoff and the
Speaker 1: ball goes really far and straight, and it's like the
Speaker 1: golf swing. These kids just learned, like they know they
Speaker 1: don't know what a miss is.
Speaker 2: That it's never missed the ball, and they know exactly
Speaker 2: what everything goes. I mean again, like this is kids
Speaker 2: of privilege. Like if you're a kid that like can
Speaker 2: go to these instructors and go to these places where
Speaker 2: they'll show you this stuff. Like you know, like I
Speaker 2: still don't know how far I hit an eight iron, no, like,
Speaker 2: but these kids know exactly how far they hit an
Speaker 2: eight iron.
Speaker 1: The other thing is when we were in high school,
Speaker 1: we played all these different sports, Like these kids play
Speaker 1: one sport now, right, it's all specialized.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean, it's it. I just I find it.
Speaker 2: I find it massively fascinating to me that I understand
Speaker 2: that golf is younger. I have a hard time understanding
Speaker 2: why they're so much better. And this is this is
Speaker 2: this is some good points because I think about that
Speaker 2: a lot, like like why were these other people able
Speaker 2: to compete? And why can't there be a third five
Speaker 2: year old that competes at the US Amber? And I
Speaker 2: always want every single year I have this hope. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this year is gonna be the year. You know, this
Speaker 2: year there's gonna be a thirty four year old guy
Speaker 2: that comes out here and play some great golf and
Speaker 2: wins a couple of matches and he's in the semifinals.
Speaker 2: And we're like, here's this thirty five year old that's
Speaker 2: you know, that has a he has an accounting gig
Speaker 2: for KPMG, and you know he played golf at Tallahassee
Speaker 2: State and that's never happened.
Speaker 5: See they that's the case.
Speaker 1: They should just you know, give give me an auto
Speaker 1: berth into the sweet sixteenth, you know, just make somebody flourish,
Speaker 1: somebody into the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't make our TV window if you lose nine
Speaker 2: to eight.
Speaker 6: To know, that's the they figure out early.
Speaker 2: They're like, well he didn't make the window.
Speaker 1: Hey maybe it's they don't get it. You don't get
Speaker 1: a warm up, you know, no, no warm up. You
Speaker 1: got to play like a true midam. Put your shoes
Speaker 1: on and go to walk to the first d bruce les.
Speaker 2: No locker. I like this, Actually, I think this is
Speaker 2: what the mid am should do. The midam should approach
Speaker 2: it exactly like we really do play golf, like oh,
Speaker 2: oh you wanna you want to you want to arrange,
Speaker 2: you want a bucket, arrange balls. Here's here's twelve balls
Speaker 2: that have stripes on them and they fly this distance.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's uh, I don't know, it's it's funny. I uh,
Speaker 1: I think that that would be that would work. I
Speaker 1: had like a weird golf thing the other day where
Speaker 1: you had.
Speaker 2: Something weird about golf. I can't believe, No, I bet
Speaker 2: weird theory.
Speaker 1: I had this realization like I've I've played less golf
Speaker 1: this year than any year in my my like last ten.
Speaker 2: Same same personally, same exact thing.
Speaker 1: So like now when I play, I go out and
Speaker 1: I like literally just like play for myself to scrape
Speaker 1: the ball round. So I like just hid into the
Speaker 1: centers of greens right and like I swung really well
Speaker 1: on like the fourth hole, and I realized, like, oh
Speaker 1: I got full control today, I can like really do
Speaker 1: whatever I want like I can hit shots like it's
Speaker 1: like I've you know, it's like the one time of
Speaker 1: year that I'll have this, you know. And then this
Speaker 1: course just ejected me because I was playing aggressive instead
Speaker 1: of just my my straight to the middle.
Speaker 2: There's nothing better for people like you and I, who again,
Speaker 2: you and I get to play more golf than most people.
Speaker 2: But like a thirty four year old buddy mine, like,
Speaker 2: there's nothing better than when you go out with them
Speaker 2: and they haven't played in two months or three months,
Speaker 2: and you see, like on the seventh green they hit
Speaker 2: a shot and you can almost see in their face
Speaker 2: like they kind of figured it out again, you know,
Speaker 2: and then for like three or four holes they hit
Speaker 2: it pretty good, and then of course it goes away.
Speaker 2: But I always love that like moment of realization where
Speaker 2: you're like kind of holding the club and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I think I got it. I went on
Speaker 2: to Stretch a couple of years ago where I was
Speaker 2: playing some of the best golf of my life, and
Speaker 2: my only swing thought was get it all the way
Speaker 2: to the top for like two months, and I hit
Speaker 2: a great and then of course I stopped thinking like
Speaker 2: that and started hitting like a dog.
Speaker 5: It's funny.
Speaker 1: I I sing the song comfortably numb when I before,
Speaker 1: I told me it's it's it's been a it's been
Speaker 1: an unbelievable, like awakening experience. It's it's to actually help
Speaker 1: my golf game quite a bit. But like I'm always
Speaker 1: so relaxed when I.
Speaker 5: Hit the golf ball. It's like this comfort thing. I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 1: Golf is just it's all mental. The less I play,
Speaker 1: the better I get.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm absolutely the same way. If I play minimal
Speaker 2: amounts of golf, I play fifty times better. And that's
Speaker 2: just kind of how it is, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: just I don't really know what else, what else to
Speaker 2: say about it. I think that means we're probably pretty psycho.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that means we get in our own way, way, way,
Speaker 1: way too much on the golf course, all right, overrated
Speaker 1: under a you're right, yeah, yeah, let's go desert golf
Speaker 1: is from a bunch of people.
Speaker 2: I would say it's uh. I mean, I living out
Speaker 2: in Arizona, I would say overrated for the golf. It's
Speaker 2: it's underrated for the pictures because it's very beautiful. But
Speaker 2: I don't personally love desert golf. I'd rather play any
Speaker 2: other type.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't.
Speaker 1: I've only been to Arizona once.
Speaker 5: I got this year.
Speaker 1: Come out.
Speaker 2: Give you The problem is if you come out, we'll
Speaker 2: play Phoenix Country Club, which is going to be not desert.
Speaker 2: We'll probably play Pinnacle Peak, which will be not desert.
Speaker 2: We'll play like three of these courses and like you
Speaker 2: won't have seen a heel of Monster yet. You'll be like,
Speaker 2: what's happening here before I'll take you to, you know,
Speaker 2: But like, like I go play Weikopas Sworrow and I
Speaker 2: have a great time because it's it's more playable, it's
Speaker 2: a little bit wider. Fair Ways, they cleared three or
Speaker 2: four yards off the rough, excuse me, off the desert.
Speaker 2: When you miss it and you can actually find your ball,
Speaker 2: you might not be able to play it, but at
Speaker 2: least you could find your ball and throw back in
Speaker 2: kind of as a lazy lateral. And and yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a by the way, the golf rules are a thing
Speaker 2: you asked me. One thing I would say is for
Speaker 2: everybody not playing in a tournament there's a lout of bounds,
Speaker 2: just drop it that you can't find your ball to
Speaker 2: drop it.
Speaker 1: The lazy lateral is the best, like full time leaf
Speaker 1: rule if you're not playing in a tournament.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely so, I said. One time I said something
Speaker 2: on social media a couple like a year or two
Speaker 2: ago about like pick up, you know, drop your ball
Speaker 2: or something. I had a whole bunch of like super
Speaker 2: serious golf people like that's not the rules, and I
Speaker 2: was like, well, then I don't want to play golf
Speaker 2: with you, like I mean, I don't want you to
Speaker 2: be out there grinding your tail off if we've got
Speaker 2: four hours to get around on a Thursday afternoon. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Sorry that that was a tangent.
Speaker 1: We can go, okay, Yeah, the rules are overrated, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: all right, Alex war eighteen whole USGA qualifiers.
Speaker 2: So that's what he asked, eighteen whole USCA.
Speaker 6: Qualifiers overrated, underrated.
Speaker 2: I would say, I would say underrated. I think thirty
Speaker 2: six is too much just to eighteen.
Speaker 6: I hate eighteen.
Speaker 1: You like thirty six, Well, I just I just think
Speaker 1: that it's all a chance at eighteen, you know, like
Speaker 1: here the thing I always I I like that playing.
Speaker 2: Good for me. I want the chance. I don't want
Speaker 2: to have to go back out in the afternoon if
Speaker 2: I actually play a good round.
Speaker 1: My my favorite turn of the year that I actually
Speaker 1: play in usually is like the state am I haven't
Speaker 1: I didn't play this year because I just don't have
Speaker 1: the time. But is I like it because like the
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I have to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: like if I make a six, I'm okay, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, like I got all this time, I
Speaker 1: got time to work it like you're building like a
Speaker 1: foundation of the house instead of like just like it's
Speaker 1: just a sprint, you know.
Speaker 5: But I don't like.
Speaker 2: Golf game, so I prefer anything on the shorter end.
Speaker 5: All right. Next, next one, your hat collection, I would.
Speaker 2: Say, probably overrated. I Uh, I have a I have
Speaker 2: a lot of really good golf hats. I also have
Speaker 2: a lot of really not great golf hats. And I
Speaker 2: also in my collection have an assortment of non golf hats.
Speaker 2: But how do you have I've probably got fifty awesome
Speaker 2: golf hats.
Speaker 1: What's your what's your storage situation. I've got a little
Speaker 1: problem right now. My wife's been on my ass about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have this is kind of funny. I
Speaker 2: have like where I do my podcast from It's a
Speaker 2: room in our house that's my golf room. So this
Speaker 2: is a room of just golf shit, clubs, hats, shoes,
Speaker 2: and then my little podcast studios in there. The closet
Speaker 2: has jackets and golf balls and all that crap. So
Speaker 2: she doesn't go in I mean, my wife doesn't go
Speaker 2: in there. I mean she doesn't open the door. It's
Speaker 2: like that closet and friends that Monica had locked Like,
Speaker 2: she will not go in that room to save a life,
Speaker 2: because she knows that it's just my just over obsessive, stupid,
Speaker 2: overflowed hats, and she prefer not to go in there
Speaker 2: and see it because she's very, very clean and organized.
Speaker 2: So that's the good thing is I can keep it
Speaker 2: kind of off eyes for most people.
Speaker 1: All Right, that's I need to I need a golf room.
Speaker 1: I need to get one more room and or play built.
Speaker 2: You build on a golf room. Your wife's like leaves you.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, we're not doing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think she would let me do it
Speaker 1: either way. It would still have to be spect out
Speaker 1: to her her aesthetics. All Right, I'm hoping you can
Speaker 1: give me a good answer here it's failed miserably every
Speaker 1: time I ask this any sort of music question, overrated, underrated,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go with Tom Petty.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I think I'm gonna go overrated?
Speaker 1: Interesting?
Speaker 2: What would you go?
Speaker 5: I don't know, That's why I asked. I asked the
Speaker 5: question to you.
Speaker 2: I would say that Tom Petty has for the general
Speaker 2: public these songs that people know. Is that would that
Speaker 2: be fair?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Like Last Dance? I mean there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got probably three Learning to Fly American Girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably three may four.
Speaker 2: Three songs that people know, and then most of his
Speaker 2: good stuff is the things nobody knows. I always kind
Speaker 2: of think about music like this. If I want to
Speaker 2: listen to music by myself, then I can listen to
Speaker 2: whatever I want. But if I'm going to like put
Speaker 2: a record on or something and it's Tom Petty, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be told to change it. Probably within ten minutes
Speaker 2: of people being like at my house, they'll be like,
Speaker 2: can we put something else on? So sorry, Tom Petty?
Speaker 1: And see I disagree. I think you could listen to Tom
Speaker 1: Petty any kind of mood. You could be hanging out,
Speaker 1: maybe not partying.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 1: There are certain songs like that that electric feel you
Speaker 1: know that song mg like, like you could listen to
Speaker 1: that song in any setting, Like you know, I could
Speaker 1: start to like he.
Speaker 2: Just compared Tom Petty, what is the MGMT?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you could listen like I could replace comfortably
Speaker 1: Numb with that song and I'd be fine. But you
Speaker 1: could be out at like the bar, like partying, and
Speaker 1: that song comes on and you just like everybody starts.
Speaker 5: Beating their head to it.
Speaker 1: You're right, Tom Petty has a lot of versatility, so
Speaker 1: he's underrated, Okay, Like you can't put led to that
Speaker 1: point on No, you know that's like you gotta be
Speaker 1: there's certain bands you gotta be in the right mood.
Speaker 5: And this is so what is your music?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: What's your go to music on the golf course?
Speaker 5: Depend?
Speaker 1: It all depends on what my mood's then lately, sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, I can listen to all genres of music.
Speaker 2: I have a rule on music on a golf course.
Speaker 2: I always tell people, like if I'm writing a cart,
Speaker 2: like if I'm playing in something with a cart, I
Speaker 2: always tell whoever's riding with me they can pick the artist,
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, you pick the artist and I'll put
Speaker 2: the music on, so I allow the person that's with
Speaker 2: me to have the music choice so they're comfortable because
Speaker 2: I'll listen to anything. Yeah, but I've basically completely moved
Speaker 2: away from any sort of hip hop or rap on
Speaker 2: the golf course because it's just a little too inappropriate
Speaker 2: in case you run into somebody on another hole. I
Speaker 2: always say having to turn the music down because I'm
Speaker 2: nervous they're going to say word the person would be comfortable.
Speaker 1: Hearing, Yeah, I would agree with that. I you know,
Speaker 1: I could do country. I could do classic rock, classic rocks,
Speaker 1: like usually what if I was going to put music
Speaker 1: on on the course, I would put a classic rock on, Like.
Speaker 2: Are you not a music on the golf course?
Speaker 4: Guy?
Speaker 5: I know I am.
Speaker 1: I had like the speaker, I lost it. Though it
Speaker 1: all depends. I like listen, Like, if I'm playing by myself,
Speaker 1: I'll listen to music for sure, you know, Like it
Speaker 1: all depends, it's all circumstantial. I like love listening to music.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge music fan. I love golf like two
Speaker 1: of my favorite things. One of my most memorable rounds
Speaker 1: of golf in my life ever happened the one time
Speaker 1: I was in Arizona and It was that Talking Stick.
Speaker 1: They had that music festival going on at Talking Stick.
Speaker 2: You know that thing you could Yeah, and you could.
Speaker 2: You could just hear all the music the whole round.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was playing.
Speaker 1: It was like suns the sun was coming coming down,
Speaker 1: and I was listening to like a band that I
Speaker 1: really liked, and they were playing there. I was listening
Speaker 1: to them play their concert while I was playing Talking Stick.
Speaker 1: It was like a spiritual experience.
Speaker 2: There's a I did that and we we had that
Speaker 2: in New Orleans. They say that there's au it's the
Speaker 2: golf course. They say when the music festival, the big
Speaker 2: music festal comes to New Orleans, which I mean there's
Speaker 2: probably a music festival every week, but they say there's
Speaker 2: a course there that you park. No, it's not Audubond
Speaker 2: because it's right there in the middle. It's one of
Speaker 2: the ones outside that actually got watched that I was
Speaker 2: probably in the name of it. But they said that
Speaker 2: it you can hear the music clearly the entire round
Speaker 2: of golf, And I was like, that sounds like something
Speaker 2: I'd be very interested in being a part of.
Speaker 1: There should be a golf course that has like a
Speaker 1: music festival on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: While you play Yeah.
Speaker 5: That would be sick.
Speaker 2: I'd pay three hundred for that ticket.
Speaker 5: That'd be so cool.
Speaker 2: Why don't we have this, Why don't we organize this?
Speaker 2: Just get like three bands.
Speaker 1: Yeah irations, We'll get Mike iration.
Speaker 2: This could be our golf event. Is we just like
Speaker 2: we have three bands that are just going to be
Speaker 2: playing music all day and you play your.
Speaker 1: Yeah with the yeah and you just find a course
Speaker 1: that's got like a big open space in the middle
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is I think you're on.
Speaker 1: The Sunday just solved, you know, big best golf event
Speaker 1: of the year. All Right, I'm gonna let you go.
Speaker 1: We've we've talked for way too long, and I hope
Speaker 1: that some poor soul isn't listening at this point.
Speaker 2: Your yours tend to go along, but I can. I
Speaker 2: can stick around for a good amount of them. A
Speaker 2: pleasure I always I always love getting a chance to
Speaker 2: chat with you. I, uh, what do you got anything
Speaker 2: coming up? I'm doing PJ Tour Live. I've got a
Speaker 2: golf trip to Michigan with three buddies. At where we go,
Speaker 2: We're gonna do the loop. We're gonna do.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't really know, honestly, can't tell you this. I
Speaker 2: don't really know what my itinerary is.
Speaker 5: I'm sick.
Speaker 2: But uh what it's like three of my best friends
Speaker 2: and myself are going up there and uh, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna do. Uh, we're gonna do. I think we're doing
Speaker 2: four or five days of golf or we Is there
Speaker 2: place that we need to play?
Speaker 1: You should try and try and play Belvidere and Charlotte's Boy.
Speaker 2: Is it awesome?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's under the radar, semi private, but they allow public.
Speaker 2: It's called Belvidere.
Speaker 5: It's a Willie Watton. Yeah, it's a Willie Watton. Of course.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you. Let me tell you what. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell you what we're playing right now, so you
Speaker 2: can tell me if it's if we're doing it right.
Speaker 2: Have you played Bay Harbor?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you like it?
Speaker 5: It's cool? I mean it's like right on the water play.
Speaker 2: I'm playing Belvidere.
Speaker 1: Belvedere's on there. Yeah, unbelievable. In press, I'm playing the
Speaker 1: Loop and Forest Dunes probably too.
Speaker 2: I'm playing Forest Dunes. I'm playing Boyne Highlands.
Speaker 5: All right. I played a j g a there back
Speaker 5: in the.
Speaker 2: Y in Kingsley Club.
Speaker 1: Oh, Kingsley Club's awesome. That's where I got ejected when
Speaker 1: I started hitting the ball. Good because I started going
Speaker 1: at two many flags. That place is cool.
Speaker 2: So that's a good It's a good lineup. Are you
Speaker 2: excited about it?
Speaker 5: Grade lineup? Yeah? You got.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to go to Texas because I've had
Speaker 2: I've had more people from my hometown in a day
Speaker 2: of Twitter interaction send me stuff than in almost any
Speaker 2: time in my career. You really to come. We're gonna
Speaker 2: play here. You should play here. Have you been here?
Speaker 2: Have you thought about this place? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: We gotta do the We gotta do the the. I
Speaker 1: can't even remember what I called it. Exploration, explorations, explorations.
Speaker 2: We'll do Pine Dunes, Texa. Kinney Country Club, Well, I'll
Speaker 2: take it Marshall Lakeside Country Club, which is where I
Speaker 2: grew up as a nine hole course. I would love
Speaker 2: to hear your architectural uh talk on it, and then
Speaker 2: we'll go. I'll take you to this place in Shreveport,
Speaker 2: Louisiana called Herbie Kay's for dinner and they have this
Speaker 2: scene called the Shrimp buster that's pounded fried shrimp and
Speaker 2: a huge cold beer and to f and then we'll
Speaker 2: maybe we'll play Southern Trace and we'll go play Dallas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, just got a block a week off.
Speaker 2: I've already got people. I've already My dad, who you've met,
Speaker 2: is in. He's all excited.
Speaker 5: Already, Porter wants in.
Speaker 2: Porter's gonna be in. Co's got like thirteen kids. I'm
Speaker 2: not if he can make it, but I love if
Speaker 2: he does.
Speaker 5: He can't make it, you know, he's scarce. We got it.
Speaker 1: We'd have to get an Okla, Oklahoma state legend to
Speaker 1: join and then he would be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You know what we'll get, h We'll get
Speaker 2: our boy. We'll get Victor, a couple.
Speaker 5: Of victor or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just some someone we gotta get someway from.
Speaker 5: I remember he was.
Speaker 1: Doing a podcast with Tony Allen. When I saw him
Speaker 1: at training Forest, I was talking to It's like, I
Speaker 1: gotta put Tony Allen coming on with Tony Allen. It's
Speaker 1: a Chicago guy, but he's Oklahoma state legend.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Well, thanks for having
Speaker 2: me on