1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and AOC says, everything feels increasingly like 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: a scam. We have such a great show for you today. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: MSNBC contributor to Charlie Sykes takes the temperature of Trump's 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: unitary executive theory and his aggressions towards our constitution. Then 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: we'll talk to author Michael Wolfe about his new book 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: All or Nothing, how Trump recaptured America. But first the news. 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: My I got real shocking news. 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: A judge's ruled that the OPM does not have any 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: authority whatsoever to fire people from other agencies fire everyone. 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's shocking to know that Elon Munk firing 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: everyone in the federal government is illegal. 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: I find it even more shocking to find out that 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: the guy who was known for the same you're fired 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: is doing this to all these people. 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: So, I mean, the Office of Personnel Management does not 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: have any authority whatsoever under any statue in the history 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: of the universe who hire and fires employees at another agency? 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: Wrote the judge. That sounds like a judge who does 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: not have many questions. Does not have any authority whatsoever 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: under any statue in the history of the universe. It's 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: pretty definitive. A federal judge in California ruled Thursday that 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: the Office of Personnel Management and Agency, taken over by 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: lieutenants of the billionaire Elon Musk, violated the law. If 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: I had a dollar for every time it seems like 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: Elon Musk had violated the law, I'd be as rich 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: as he is. Ugh, it's funny, but it's also kind 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: of sad. Look, you know, federal judges, Trump, this is 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: what's true in one point zero. This is true in 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,279 Speaker 1: two point zero. My man, The courts continue to say 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: this guy, he continues to lose a court. Now, the 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: question is in Trump what they would do, like with 34 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: the Muslim ban, is they would go back and rewrite 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: it and then be able to You know, they did 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: in fact pass a Muslim ban. It wasn't quite as 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: banny as the first one was, but it still was 38 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: a band. So the question now is will they go 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: back and try to sort of round the edges so 40 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: that they can get away with what they want to 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: get away with, or will they ignore the judges and 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: will we have a constitutional crisis? Since I don't protict 43 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: the future, I don't know, but it certainly feels crisisy 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: and constitutionally. 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: I feel like they're looking at constitutional crisis the way 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: Garfield looks at was on you these days. 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: Ah Garfield reference. If only any of my kids listen 48 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: to this podcast. 49 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: So by there's this guy Jeffrey Epstein who is on 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: tape saying that he was Donald Trump's best friend, not 51 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: that Donald Trump was his best friend, which I think 52 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: is the fun. You're part of it, right, Had Trump 53 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: promise to release all the documents around the Epstein files 54 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: and wanh wanh wan't not so much. 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the deal. There are Epstein files, most of 56 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: them have been released. This is I mean, the thing 57 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: that's like incredible about this story is it shows that 58 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: no one ever reads so exactly true. 59 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is one of my favorite subjects. So 60 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: I know way too much of it. 61 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I was reading something yesterday the show that 62 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: was like, not only have the list been released, somebody 63 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: tried to sell the Black Book at auction last year. 64 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: It's been auction twice. 65 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, there's no like, this is not some 66 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: secret like, you know, it's everyone from the guy who's 67 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: the head of Black Rock. I mean, it's just a 68 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: lot of rich guys. Well you sort of think probably 69 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: did that kind of stuff. Bill Clinton, Donald Trump. 70 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, certain president on the flight looks yeah. 71 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: I mean, well there aren't two presidents. 72 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 73 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: Bill Glinton, Donald Trump. 74 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 2: Lots of it, my tea scientists. 75 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: There's literally it's like everyone who you kind of thought 76 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: might be on it is on it. You know, very 77 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: famous guys who have a lot of money and who 78 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: were a little creepy. Here's the thing. So they got 79 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: all of their people, their influencers, so their Brooklyn Dad, Defiant, a. 80 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: Guy called DC Dreno. 81 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: DC Dreno, everyone you have blocked on Twitter, got these 82 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: big white binders. And the binders said Ebstein Files Phase one, 83 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: and in the binders were everything that has already been published, which, 84 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: by the way, I just want to pause for a minute. 85 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: As someone who deals with comms directors, they often do 86 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: this like they'll be like, I'm going to give you 87 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: some new information and it's like a press release filled 88 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: with articles from nineteen eighty two, and you're like, but 89 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: this is just stuff you can get on the internet, 90 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, so I do respect the hustle. You know, 91 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: the White House is playing the DC Comms game the 92 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: way every DC Comms person does it. Where they fled 93 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: you with bullshit that's already been reported. That said, they 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: got very excited, all of the worst people in the 95 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: world holding these white binders up in front of the 96 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: White House, smiling like this is their moment. And then 97 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: I guess they read it. 98 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: Yes, and they discovered that there was a nothing Burger 99 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: for lunch, right. 100 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: They discovered that it contained no new information. Again, because 101 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: all the information is out there, which I think is 102 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: an important point, all. 103 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: The information that's not redacted, it looks like the White 104 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: House was running low on black ink yesterday. 105 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't unredact anything that hadn't been redacted. So 106 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: and then it was like a question of who and 107 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: Maga can blame who, right, because if there's one thing 108 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: that met loves to do, it's blame each other. So 109 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: and I think it was you know, remember this was 110 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: meant to be the culmination of QAnon. The person who 111 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: got the blame. I have a theory, and again there's 112 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: no scientific evidence to back this up that the least 113 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: crazy person tends to get the blame in maga world. 114 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 2: Hmmm. 115 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: I like this because the least crazy person is often 116 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: not as excited and so they get mad at them. 117 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: So Pam Bondi got all the blame, and they were 118 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: very mad at her, right, they said that they were 119 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: you know, they felt she had gamed them. And remember 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: she had hyped the files, which is a good lesson 121 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: to her, saying that it would shed more light on 122 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: his crimes. She teased the document drump last week, saying 123 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: that on her desk Wednesday evening they were pretty sick 124 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: documents which contained a lot of information. I can understand 125 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: why they're a little mad at her. 126 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 4: At A. 127 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: Pauline A. Luna, chairman of the House Task Force on 128 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: the stupid declassification of federal secrets, was among the first 129 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: to cry foul. Good for her, I nor the Task 130 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: Force were given reviewed the Epstein documents being released today. 131 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: She wrote an x noting that in your post article 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: because are there really any other papers besides in your 133 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: post just revealed that the documents would simply be Epstein's 134 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: phone book. This is not what the American people asked for. 135 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: Did the American people ask for? 136 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: This if I'm the American people, Yes. 137 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: Give us the information we asked for. All caps explanation point, 138 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: Lord Lumer not happy. The binders are props. All caps 139 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: explanation point. You're shocked to learn that this just ended 140 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: exactly how we think it will. 141 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And speaking of things that are ending exactly how 142 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: we thought they would, it appears Elon Musk is the 143 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: new House whip as well as the head of Doze 144 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 3: and so many other jobs, because he's basically whipping votes 145 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: by threatening people to unleashed super pac money against them, 146 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: and AOC is crying a foul Yeah. 147 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, he sends out a tweet and all of a 148 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: sudden everyone backs off. AOC said, here's the idea. This 149 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: is farmer reforms, right the House Energy Committee and want 150 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: of reforms on pharmacy benefit managers. So this would be 151 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that Republicans supported, Democrats support it, 152 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: and the bill has almost full unanimous support. And then 153 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: guess who decides he does not want to lower the 154 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: prices of drugs. Guess who doesn't care how much insulin cost. 155 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: You're going to be shot to hear that the richest 156 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: man in the world does not give a fuck about 157 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: how much insulin costs or asthma hailers. Yes, patient advocates 158 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: have long called for drug pricing to be capped for 159 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: there to be some humanity in the world. But you 160 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: know who doesn't really give a fuck about that world's 161 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: richest man boom he has shown to us and those 162 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: people who die when they can't get their insulin, they'll 163 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: be owned. 164 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 3: Well, we got to own the lips because it's the 165 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 3: day ending. And why what's great is though he is 166 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: feeling some pain from this, since Tesla's stock sung twenty 167 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: six percent after his quote un quote that's Nazi saluted 168 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: the Trump Probably I think. 169 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: It's called a straight armed hand gesture, as how I 170 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: sign reported yes when Elon Musk made that straight armed 171 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: hand gesture. And look, there's a reason corporations want to 172 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: stay away from controversy, and it's things like this, right, 173 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: I mean like there's a you know, the right tried 174 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: to get woke to be as dangerous as straight armed 175 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: hand salutes, but it turns out that it has not 176 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: been long enough since the Holocaust for straight armed hand 177 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: salutes to come back. I'm sorry to tell you twenty 178 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: six percent drop since the straight armed hand salute in 179 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: Elon Musk's Tesla stock That means his enormous wealth took 180 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: a hit by Luckily, people will still pay full price 181 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: for insulin. 182 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this equates to a four hundred billion dollar 183 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: drop in the company's value, which yikes. 184 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Charlie Sykes is the author of the Newsletter to 185 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: the Contrary and the book How the Right Lost Its 186 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: Mind Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics, my friend, and I'm 187 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: always so excited to get to talk to you. Charlie Sykes. 188 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 4: It's great to be back, Molly, considering everything. 189 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, yet, we're all every day we're not in Gemo. 190 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: You just check that as a win. 191 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, every day is a bonus at this point. 192 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: Really, I probably read the Times and the Washington Post 193 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: cover to cover because I spent six hours in the 194 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: last two days on the train going back and forth 195 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: to DC and life Choices, oh man, and by the 196 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: way you get there and the you know, the vibes 197 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: may be bad, but the vibes in DC, wow. 198 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. The vibe Share and Mikwan, Wisconsin, however, are pretty good, 199 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 4: which is why I'm going to be staying around here 200 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: as long as I can. Time to avoid the acella. 201 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 4: I just think whatever, that's just me. 202 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I did encounter, however, a person on the street 203 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: who had a huge tign that said no one elected 204 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Elon Musk and was just sort of wandering around like 205 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: a huge banner. 206 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 4: Was it Chuck Schumer? That sort of seems to be 207 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: the beginning and the end of his strategy. I don't know. 208 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: That's two public facing for elected Democrats. So let's talk 209 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: about what's happening here, because we're clearly sliding into autocracy 210 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: more quickly, even perhaps than any of us. I mean, 211 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we're about where I thought 212 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: we'd be. But it does not feel good, and you know, 213 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: you think it's worse. 214 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's Look, I mean, here's here's the thing. 215 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: We've spent I don't know, god knows how long with 216 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 4: our hair on fire saying people, look what he's going 217 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: to do. He's going to do this, he will do that. 218 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 4: And of course all the smart kids at the table said, 219 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 4: does calmed down? You suffer from Trump derangement syndrome, or 220 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 4: the guardrails will restrain him? You know, you worry too much, 221 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 4: or that's so over the top to use that kind 222 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: of language, and I have to say. Somebody asked me 223 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 4: the other day and I'm going to ask. I'm gonna 224 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 4: do a podcast later today with Adam Kinsinghram and ask 225 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: him this too. Now ask me about you know, well, 226 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 4: how are you feeling about all of this? And I 227 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 4: was running through the various emotions, and then the interviewer, 228 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: you know, suggests, well, do you feel vindicated at all? 229 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: Right? 230 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 4: You know, absolutely, I'm not happy about this. But those 231 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: of us that warned how bad it would be can 232 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 4: sit back and go, Okay, if only you'd been warned. People, really, 233 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: I mean, look what you got. 234 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: We did this whole YouTube series on Project twenty twenty 235 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: five and just like this idea that they want to 236 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: dismantle the administrative state and to use the unitary executive theory, 237 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: which means that the executive is the boss and the 238 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: rest and chucks and bounces are bye bye. And you know, 239 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm reading a pop ed in the New York Times 240 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: about the unitary executive. There it is a little bit 241 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: like being psychic. But the thing that like keeps me 242 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: up at night is how do we get out of this? 243 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 4: Well, Okay, before we get to that, which is ask 244 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: the important question, the one thing, and again we predicted 245 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 4: the various things. They actually put it in writing. They 246 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 4: had a blueprint, So people can be shocked, but they 247 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 4: can't be surprised, right, And I. 248 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: Have to say, like Trump's lame. He was like, no, 249 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it, and everyone's like, oh, okay, 250 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: that's total bullshit. But why would he lie? 251 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: The thing that we did not expect? And I think 252 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: that has been you know, frankly, the most alarming has 253 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 4: been the complete capitulation of many of the institutions that 254 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: we thought could stand up against Donald Trump. We spent 255 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 4: you know, eight years talking about the collapse of the 256 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 4: Republican Party, so we've seen that happen in real time. 257 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 4: I'm not sure that I ever thought that even the 258 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 4: Senate Republicans would cave into the point that they would 259 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 4: be confirming people like Pete Hegseith and Kel Gabbard and 260 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 4: RFK Junior. But beyond that, I think we got an 261 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 4: early indication how bad it was going to be when 262 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 4: we saw all of the oligarchs in the corporate media 263 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 4: line up to kiss Donald Trump's toes. And it's this 264 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 4: premature capitulation which has been succeeded by the collapse of 265 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 4: almost any organized outside of the political world resistance. I mean, 266 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: it's just like everyone just rolled over for him. And 267 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: I think the success of his campaign of fear and intimidation, 268 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 4: it's what's I think a little bit shocking. The fact 269 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 4: that he tries a campaign of retribution fear is not 270 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: surprising at all. 271 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: Right now, he said he would do it. 272 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: But the success that he's had in cowing civil society, 273 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: even outside of the institutions of government, that I think 274 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: makes you think, oh my god, this is how you 275 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: slide into an orbon like our talkers the authoritarianism or 276 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 4: as Peter Baker and I hesitate this. I don't think 277 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 4: he's exactly is suggesting that it's putin esque, is that 278 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: it's not just the Donald Trump and myers Ladimir Putin. 279 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 4: He wants to be the fucking guy. 280 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: Right well, I think that is for sure true. I 281 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: think the good news is America's much bigger than Russia 282 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: and we've been a democracy for much longer, right or 283 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: at all. That's the one thing I will say that 284 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: I think is good news. The other thing that I 285 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: just want to pull back and again, I know my priors, 286 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: like I think a lot about like when people will 287 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: talk about how they'll sort of spend time thinking about, 288 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, what went wrong or whatever, they tend to 289 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: just use those things to confirm their priors. So you'll see, 290 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: you right, the far left person will say it's because 291 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: of the far left things they'd wanted. The far right 292 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: person will say it's because of So I know my 293 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: priors are that I'm often overly optimistic, So I'm going 294 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: to say this, But I think it's also an important point, 295 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: which is the billionaires did in fact kow Tao and 296 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: go along with it. But and it wasn't all of them. 297 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: It was the very It was the ones you would 298 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: think would right, the Elons, and then the zux and 299 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: then the Bezos. And that has been very disparting, especially 300 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: because Bezos owns a Washington. 301 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: Post, which she is proceeding now to in Shitiphi. 302 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: Yes to and Shitiphi and the people who worked at 303 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: the Washington Post and the people who and you know, 304 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: everyone who was involved in all of their incredible coverage. 305 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: It's terrible for them. But the one thing I would 306 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: say is I do think that in these town halls, 307 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: these people are not afraid of Donald Trump and Elon 308 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: Musk and in the streets. I mean that woman with 309 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: that big sign, she was not thinking, well, I have 310 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: ten other government contracts. I mean, part of this is 311 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: coward leaness, and part of it is that they are 312 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: so conflicted. I mean, like, for example, McCrone goes to 313 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: see Trump and pretends to love Trump because he thinks 314 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: he can game Trump. Yeah, so there are a couple 315 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: different things going on, right because mcron And also we 316 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: saw this with kure Stormer too. Cure Stormer brought a 317 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: letter to the King to suck up him because he 318 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: thought we can use this. So I mean there are 319 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: a couple of different things going on here. There's like bowing, 320 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: but there's also this weird manipulation which may or may 321 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: not work right. 322 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: Well, that's right. But and again, I think these town 323 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: hall meetings are significant because number one, in an indication 324 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 4: that that people are becoming re engaged in politics. They're 325 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 4: not going to roll over, and they do have very 326 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 4: much of a two thousand and nine twenty ten tea 327 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: party field. A lot of Republicans are going to recognize 328 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 4: that vibe because they were on the other side of it, 329 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 4: and they know where that led. I actually think those 330 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 4: kinds of things may be more effective than mass demonstrations 331 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 4: or mass rallies. And I also think that what you're 332 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 4: seeing is and I've talked about this before, as the 333 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: impact spreads, the real story is going to be in localities. 334 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 4: It's going to be in families and communities who are 335 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 4: going to feel the impact of this. So, for example, 336 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 4: in the last five minutes, my phone just buzzed from 337 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 4: local newspaper here in Wisconsin breaking news federal workers, including 338 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 4: at least one disabled veteran, fired from the VA in Madison. 339 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 4: So every community is going to have a story. Wait, 340 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 4: the Veterans Administration, Okay, that veteran is being laid off. 341 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 4: You're having the stories of people who voted for Donald 342 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 4: Trump who are now saying, geez, I didn't think the 343 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 4: deleverage were gonna come be my face. But I mean, 344 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: and I'm also you know, and I wrote about this 345 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 4: in my newsletter today, Molly, the cognitive dissonance here. You know, 346 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 4: you have Trump promising that he's gonna be the voice 347 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: of the little guy that forgotten American, But this budget 348 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 4: plan they're pushing through is a huge giveaway to the 349 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 4: rich cuts aid to the poor. He promised that he 350 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 4: was gonna end inflation and cut taxes, and these Trump 351 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 4: tariffs are gonna boost the price of everything, and Americans 352 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 4: seemed to get it. I mean, the candidate of law 353 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 4: and order is now flying in these sex traffickers from Romania. No. Meanwhile, 354 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: Elon Musk shows up at the cabinet and says, hey, guys, 355 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 4: we're gonna get things wrong, Like I fucked up that 356 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 4: whole thing about a Bola unbelievable. Then he lies about it. 357 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: But you know, we turns out the week we didn't 358 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 4: know what we were doing. We eliminated this ebola prevention effort, 359 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 4: but I restored it, and the officials are going, no, 360 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 4: you didn't. So all that catches up. 361 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: There's so much in government is set up so that 362 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: you don't have a moment where a billionaire donor comes 363 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: into a cabinet meeting cos plays as secretary and then 364 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: is like, whoops about that hole of bulah thing. 365 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, And meanwhile, I'm going to take over air traffic control. Well, 366 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 4: planes are like almost hitting each other. Oh, and I 367 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 4: didn't even get to the fact that there's a measles outbreak. 368 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 4: There's Trump sitting next to RFK Junior. Measles. By the way, 369 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: for people who haven't been paying attention because it's been 370 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 4: eradicated because of vaccination, we now have a child that 371 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 4: died of measles, an unvaccinated child. What could possibly go wrong? 372 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 4: By the way, my quasi favorite headline of the day, 373 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 4: and I'm not I'm not trying to pick on them, 374 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 4: but it was. You know, his deadline is NBC measles 375 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 4: outbreak could be politically perilous for Trump and RFK Junior. 376 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 4: Well yeah, folks, it could also be perilous to the 377 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: millions of kids who might die. 378 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, measles, super super contagious are ready in rural 379 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: parts of New Mexico. One of the things about measles, 380 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: which is, by the way, easily you know this vaccine 381 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: that's been around for decades and decades, super safe effective, 382 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: there's not any treatment, right like, if you get it, 383 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: you're fucked, okay, so like and if you're a getting 384 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: and you're a little kid like likely you'll be fine. 385 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: But then there's also you know, two three four percent 386 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: chance you die for a disease that's been eradicated. What 387 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: I was struck by was Rfka Junior in that cabinet meeting, says, yeah, 388 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: well one kid died and there are a lot of 389 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: other people in the hospital, but they're all being quarantined. 390 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: I was like, well, okay, he seems to have a 391 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: situation at hand. None of that was true, right, they 392 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: are actually being treated in the hospital. 393 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 4: See. I honestly think that in Trump's world, in Trump's mind, 394 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 4: no problem actually has to be solved. All you have 395 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: to do is say you solved it, and you know, 396 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 4: like like the building, the wall and everything. The problem 397 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 4: is is that there is a reality out there now. 398 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 4: I still can't get my head past the fact that 399 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 4: we had a million people died of COVID and you 400 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 4: would think that be a transformative event in American history, 401 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 4: and it's been dropped into a memory hole. I am 402 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 4: modest in my optimism about these things. 403 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: You know, there's a historical president for that, like the 404 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen flu pandemic in fact that happened where people 405 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: just were so traumatized. But I do agree whenever I've 406 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: gamed out human behavior during this period, I've always been wrong. 407 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: I've always been overly optimistic. But for all of Trump 408 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: one we'd see like this guy and he'd be so 409 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: mercurial and you wouldn't know what he was going to do. 410 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: And now he is not that person. It's actually Elon Musk. 411 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: So do you think he misses not having a starring 412 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: role in his own presidency? 413 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 4: This is the central drama of Trump two point zero, 414 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 4: isn't it? The relationship with Musk. I did a podcast 415 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 4: with Kara Swisher, who knows a lot more about Elon 416 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 4: Musk than I do, yesterday, and she did point out 417 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 4: that Donald Trump obviously always loves to be the center 418 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 4: of attention, but he also loves distractions, and right now 419 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 4: Elon Musk is a huge distraction. So he can use 420 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: him to look like things are happening, but also be 421 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 4: the flatcatcher, and if things turn to shit, he can 422 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: like distance himself. Well, that wasn't me, that was Elon. 423 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: Is that what she thinks will happen? 424 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 4: Well, no one knows what's going to happen. It's unsustainable 425 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 4: to have two gigantic narcissists in one sack, right, I mean, 426 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 4: there's only room for one. What I can't figure out 427 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 4: is how Trump gets rid of Musk, particularly as Musk 428 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 4: builds up his own cult, in his own power base. 429 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 4: It's not as easy as getting rid of somebody like 430 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 4: a JD. Vance, who he could snuff out like an 431 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 4: old cigarette. 432 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: And JD Vance really does feel like a supporting member 433 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: in this whole thing. 434 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 4: Barely, yeah, I. 435 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: Mean, nobody ever talks about Jady Vance like that cabinet meeting. 436 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 4: You could barely, you know, Yeah, clearly has been sidelined 437 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 4: by others, but still he is the vice president. Again, 438 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 4: we can't predict the future. I mean, I'm one of those, 439 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, Molly, I am one of 440 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 4: those who has paid no attention to the whole Trump 441 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 4: and twenty twenty eight talk. And now I'm thinking, you know, 442 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 4: maybe that's a bit naive, you know, when you start 443 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 4: to see the signs the third term project with pictures 444 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: of Tunnald Trump is Julius Caesar and you know, twenty 445 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 4: twenty eight and beyond. The normal human reaction is to say, 446 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 4: but a bunch of lunacy and bullshit, except we were 447 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 4: governed by lunacy and bullshit, so like, hello. 448 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: Right, there was this James Carvell piece in the Times 449 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: where he said you shouldn't that the only way to 450 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: push back against trump Ism is just to let Trump 451 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: make his own mistakes. But don't you worry. I mean, 452 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: I think that's actually wrong. I like Carvell, but I 453 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: think he's wrong about this. But I'm wondering, do you 454 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: think that's the right way to go. I mean, don't 455 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 1: you think people want their electeds to try? 456 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 4: Yeah? They do, and and I understand the point that 457 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 4: he's trying to make. And ultimately Democrats can't stop Trump 458 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: from doing a lot of this stuff. So the trajectory 459 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 4: of American politics will be determined by whether or not 460 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 4: trump Musk explodes on takeoff. But on the other hand, 461 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 4: it's kind of nihilistic to say you should just sit 462 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 4: back and do nothing because there is a country out there. 463 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 4: I mean, everything is not about partisan politics. You can't 464 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 4: just simply say nihilistic, you know, you just let them 465 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: ruin the country. Well, excuse me, let me speak up 466 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 4: on behalf of the country that that is not a 467 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 4: good idea. So you have a political, constitutional, and moral 468 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 4: obligation to do something to the extent that you can. 469 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 4: The realist in me says, you're not going to be 470 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 4: able to block a lot of this stuff. But that 471 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 4: doesn't mean you don't try. And I think it's important 472 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 4: to try. 473 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: Right, And people elected you to try. I mean, they 474 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: didn't elect you to solve. 475 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. If you're sitting on your ass for the next 476 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 4: two years, I'm not going to turn out and vote 477 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 4: for you. 478 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. It is the accelerationist case for Trump. 479 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: It's the idea that Trump one point zero didn't inflict 480 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: the kind of damage it wanted to, and so Democrats 481 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: were warning against things voters didn't believe Trump would actually 482 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: do because he wasn't able to the first time. 483 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 4: Did you read the article about the woman who voted 484 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: for Trump and just lost her job. It's a very 485 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: tragic story. Seems like a very very nice person. 486 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: They found the whitest, most attractive, blonde woman and they 487 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: put her on the cover of the Watching Post. But yes, continue, 488 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: it's very interesting. 489 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 4: Well, it is interesting because it sort of reminds us 490 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 4: about how voters make decisions. That she's in the voting 491 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 4: booth and she's undecided. She doesn't like Trump, she hates Trump. 492 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 4: She voted for Biden four years ago. But and I 493 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 4: have to take a deep breath here, this is the 494 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 4: world we live in. She had seen a TikTok video 495 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 4: in which Trump had promised that IVF would be free. Yes, 496 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 4: she believed him, and therefore, in the voting booth decided 497 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 4: to vote for Donald J. Trump. And while my eyeballs 498 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 4: are kind of like melting here and thinking, all right, 499 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 4: we are dealing in a world in which we need 500 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 4: to address the world as it is not the way 501 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 4: we would like it to be. 502 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, And I think that's a really good point. 503 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things Trump did was, 504 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, remember in Nevada, he was like, we're gonna 505 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: do no taxes on tips. There is no world in 506 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: which they can do no taxes on tips. They're not 507 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: even trying, right, this eight hundred and eighty billion dollar 508 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: cut to medicaid, you know, in that budget, which by 509 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: the way, is probably going to be mushed around a lot, 510 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: but that original reconciliation, they didn't even try to address 511 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: the no tax on tips because it's undoable. 512 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 4: Well, we'll see. I mean they are out there. Actually, 513 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: you have members of Congress who are tweeting out that 514 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 4: Democrats would it against no taxes on tips, no taxes 515 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 4: on social Security, all these things. None of that was 516 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 4: in the bill, and none of it's in the bill. 517 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 4: Given this sort of alternative reality world where Trump basically 518 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 4: will say no, wait, I did build a wall and 519 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 4: Mexico did pay for it, how do you confront that? 520 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and I think that's right. You can't. You 521 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: can't let the alternative reality world win. 522 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 4: Well, the alternative reality world is winning right now, right, 523 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 4: but you. 524 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: Have to message the truth at least to try to. Yes. 525 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 4: The most fun I've had in the last twenty four 526 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 4: hours is watching that video that Trump posted of himself 527 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 4: remaking Trump Gaza with him as the Golden with the 528 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 4: Golden statue. Have you seen this? 529 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: Oh? 530 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. 531 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 4: You need to go watch it. In terms of life, 532 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 4: this is the world we live in now. The President 533 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 4: of the United States actually retweeted that this is my 534 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: gift to you. Have a wonderful weekend. 535 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: Amazing, Thank you, thank you, thank you. 536 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 4: Charley all right, bye bye. 537 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: Michael Wolf is the author of the book All or Nothing, 538 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: How Trump Recaptured America. Welcome to Fast Politics, Michael Wolf, Kate, 539 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good. So this book that none 540 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: of us knew was happening until about a minute ago, 541 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: is called All or Nothing? How Trump Recaptured America. When 542 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: did you start working on this? How did you pull 543 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 1: it together so quickly? 544 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 5: Tell me he wasn't quickly. I've been working on it 545 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 5: for eighteen months, which is a long time for me, 546 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 5: So from the beginning of the campaign, or really sort 547 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 5: of from the spring of twenty twenty two. You know 548 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 5: when I started this. This was I've been on the job. 549 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: And Trump met with you and has talked to you, 550 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: right or now. 551 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 5: Trump has not met with me for this book. Whether 552 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 5: he talked to me or not, we won't acknowledge that. 553 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: But he has things to say about the book. 554 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 5: He apparently does have things to say, although he has 555 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 5: the same things to say that he says about my 556 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 5: other books, so he doesn't read them anyway. So yes, 557 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 5: it's suggest you get some basic boiler plate. But I 558 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: did get the boilerplate. 559 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: Do you think when Trump cares enough to tweet about something, 560 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: he knows that it will draw attention to it, and 561 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: so he does it, or do you think it's purely emotional. 562 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 5: I think all attention is good attention in the Trump sphere, 563 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 5: So if I get attention, he gets attention. My first 564 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 5: book was when I he subsequently invited me to Marrow 565 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 5: Lago and then claimed credit for the book. There was 566 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 5: a moment when I saw Trump in Iowa during the 567 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 5: Iowa primary. He was going by and then he pointed 568 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 5: at me and said, I made that guy rich. So 569 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 5: it is all about Trump. He doesn't have the capacity 570 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 5: for seeing reality in a way that is not about 571 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 5: him principally. 572 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: So in a bunch of Trump books, you've covered him 573 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: a lot. How is Trump now? 574 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 5: The thing about Trump is that he's always the same. 575 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 5: He is the simple machine who does the same thing 576 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 5: over and over and over again. The difference is that, 577 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 5: because it's all about holding the attention of his audience, 578 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 5: he just has to ratchet up the intensity of what 579 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 5: he's doing, hence what we've seen the last month. But 580 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 5: the really extraordinary thing, and that's the story of this book, 581 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 5: is how he can just go on, How nothing stops him, 582 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 5: nothing gives him. Not when he left the White House 583 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 5: his two impeachments January sixth, being rejected by the leaders 584 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 5: of his own party, and not subsequently for criminal indictments, 585 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 5: it doesn't matter all of the things that would have 586 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 5: reduced all of us mere mortals to a fetal position. 587 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 5: Trump shrugs off, goes on uses in fact to his advantage. 588 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: So let's talk about that for a minute. Because one 589 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: of the big differences I think between Trump one point 590 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: oh and Trump two point oh is that Trump one 591 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: point oh did not have people like Elon Musk in it. 592 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 4: I guess see, I disagree with that. 593 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: Oh. 594 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 5: You know, essentially, in Trump one point oh, the Elon 595 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 5: Musk role was held by Steve Bannon key similarities, you know, 596 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 5: including the cover of Time magazine implying that they are 597 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 5: the real president. And Steve during those early months was 598 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 5: this dominant figure and scary figure and the guy no 599 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 5: one could quite figure out, and the guy out front 600 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 5: of what was going on. And then Steve lasted six months. 601 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 5: So I think that's a pretty good measure for Elon 602 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 5: Musk's longevity. 603 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: I don't agree with anything Steve Bannon says, but I 604 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: think he's very smart, and I think you trivialize him 605 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: at your own peril. That said, don't you think that 606 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: Elon Musk is in a completely different position than Steve Bannon, 607 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: Because Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. 608 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: You make Steve Bannon mad, you know, he's mad at 609 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: you you make Elon Musk mad all that money goes away. 610 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. I mean, I don't think 611 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 5: Trump is any you know. I mean Trump loves rich guys, 612 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 5: but would he throw Elon Musk over Yeah, in a 613 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 5: New York minute. Trump doesn't value anyone ultimately, and if 614 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 5: they annoy him or irritate him, or he begins to 615 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 5: perceive that the story is more about them than about him, 616 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 5: he's going to react in the visceral way that he does. 617 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: So so far we've seen none of that. 618 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 5: Though, As I said, six months for Steve Mannon and 619 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 5: I think six months for Elon Musk. 620 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: Tell me what you found writing this book, Like, what 621 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: sort of things surprised you that you or that you 622 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: may have not seen in the other Trump books you've read. 623 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 5: As I say, the indomitability of this guy, The fact 624 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 5: that four criminal indictments, I mean a criminal indictment always 625 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 5: brings one hundred percent of the time brings an American 626 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 5: political figure down, You're out gone. And the fact that 627 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 5: Trump could have four of these and none of them 628 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 5: having had an effect, and the reason they didn't have 629 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 5: an effect is because he didn't give in to them. 630 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 5: He has done what nobody in politics or public life 631 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 5: has practically speaking ever done before. Shrugged it off, say 632 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 5: I don't need you, I don't bend to you. You know, 633 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 5: the liberal establishment, when these indictments began, said, well, it's 634 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 5: going to be different in a courtroom, in a courtroom 635 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 5: that's not Trump's world. Well that turned out to be 636 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 5: entirely wrong, and he just made his world overshadow the 637 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 5: world of each of these courtrooms. 638 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: So you cover a donorgate, really, well, this sort of 639 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: donor class. Can you talk to us about the people 640 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: in Trump world who keep it all, who give him 641 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: the doll you know? 642 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 5: Well, he has this group of Palm Beach billionaires that 643 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 5: surround him, and curiously, you know a lot of them 644 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 5: had gravitated to Ron DeSantis and then came scurrying back. 645 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 5: He added this this new class, I mean, the Silicon 646 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 5: Valley class. At one point in the book he kept saying, too, 647 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 5: is why am I going to fundraisers? I don't have 648 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 5: to go to fundraisers. The crypto guys will give me 649 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 5: everything I need. 650 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: Turned out to be true. 651 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 5: You know, I guess, I mean the Silicon Valley money 652 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 5: just decided that it was to their profit to gravitate 653 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 5: toward Donald Trump. 654 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: Right, And they did. You talk a lot about sort 655 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: of the people around him. So who are the people 656 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: around him and who were the people around him during 657 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: the campaign, And has there been a shift there? 658 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 5: There's been a subtle, possibly meaningful shift. I mean, the 659 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 5: people around him are still some of the core campaign 660 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 5: group are there, notably this woman Susie Wiles, who ran 661 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 5: the campaign with a discipline never seen around Trump before 662 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 5: and who is now in the White House as the 663 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 5: chief of staff. And I think, you know, that's an 664 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 5: interesting thing because all of Trump's chief of staffs before 665 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 5: he didn't really know them. They came into the job 666 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 5: and then they lasted experiod of time because they irritated him. 667 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 5: Susie Wilds has now has a long relationship with Trump 668 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 5: and she knows how to function around him, which is 669 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 5: to say, her job is to make the trains run 670 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 5: on time. And I don't think that she has any 671 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 5: other pretense beyond that. She doesn't feel that she's in 672 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 5: any way part of the Trumpian impulse that makes this 673 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 5: White House run. She's the back office person. 674 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: So you don't think she's ideological. 675 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 5: She is not ideological. She's a political operative. I think 676 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 5: her only measure was do you win or do you lose? 677 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 5: And she was paired with another political operative, Chris Losovita. 678 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 5: Now Chris Losovita is not in the White House, and 679 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 5: I would presume that means that he fell a foul 680 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 5: and was not offered a job, a commensurate job. And curiously, 681 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 5: there are a lot of this outside group who the 682 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 5: campaign had kept at arm's length, the Heritage Foundation, the 683 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 5: Project twenty twenty five people, the American First People. The 684 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 5: campaign really had blocked them out, but they are now 685 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 5: back in quite some force within the White House. 686 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then talk about this woman, the printer, the 687 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: human printer. 688 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is the woman by the nam Natalie Harp, 689 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 5: who has spent more time with him than any other 690 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 5: person over the last several years. I mean, virtually every 691 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 5: waking hour she has been at his side. She came 692 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 5: into this role with zero political qualifications. She came in 693 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 5: as the fetch it girl and rose by sheer dint 694 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 5: of adulation, I suppose, or to be certainly among the 695 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 5: most important, if not the most important people at his side. 696 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 5: Almost during the campaign, almost all information flowed through her. 697 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 5: I mean, she's called the human printer, because she would 698 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 5: follow him around on the golf course with a portable printer, 699 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 5: wireless printer, and then she would at each whole print 700 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 5: out articles or emails she thought he should see. Now 701 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 5: the emphasis should. 702 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 2: Be on she thought. 703 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 5: So she is shaping and editing the information that gets 704 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 5: to Donald Trump. The campaign team said, she gave him 705 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 5: his uppers and his downers. 706 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: Content wise. 707 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, she would give him the articles that confirmed anything 708 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 5: that he wanted to believe, and conversely the articles that 709 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 5: would get him outraged, and then he would issue a 710 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 5: various vective. 711 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: That's a lot of power. So she's basically making the PDB. 712 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: Is she doing it still? 713 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? 714 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 5: By his side, you know. And there was always a thing, 715 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 5: you know, you know, well, what is she what's the relationship? Here? 716 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 5: Is she the bit on the side. And then everybody 717 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 5: kind of rejected that and said said, no, she is 718 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 5: clearly and abjectly in love with him, but he is 719 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 5: And they would say, probably the most devastating thing you 720 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 5: can say about Donald Trump that the estimation was he 721 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 5: was quote post sexual. 722 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: Do you think that would make him curious if he 723 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: had heard that? 724 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think anything that treads in any way on 725 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 5: ego territory with Donald Trump would be for him a 726 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 5: treacherous betrayal. 727 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: So one of the things that I think a lot 728 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: about when I talk to people on the Democratic side 729 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: is how much Donald Trump works the media because Democrats 730 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: leadership democrats, you know, members of Congress and members of 731 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: the Senate and governors. And we saw this in Biden 732 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: world a lot. Biden World was very angry at the 733 00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 1: mainstream media. 734 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 5: Let me just cut the short, because there is nothing 735 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 5: at issue here for Donald Trump except the media. Nothing 736 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 5: else counts. He's not interested in the legislative agenda, he's 737 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 5: not interested in policy formulations, He's not interested in anything 738 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 5: but the media. How he reacts to the media, how 739 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,399 Speaker 5: the media reacts to him. This is all a man 740 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 5: who's spent fourteen years as the star of a top 741 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 5: rated reality show. Fourteen years. This is in his bloodstream 742 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 5: the attention of the audience, and that is through the media, 743 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 5: which he is expert at using and determined to dominate. 744 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: So do you feel like Donald Trump talks to the 745 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: mainstream media despite being angry at them? 746 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 5: He uses the mainstream media. I mean, talking to sort 747 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 5: of implies some kind of discourse. 748 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: Right, what does that mean. 749 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 5: It means that he is the consummate show. He knows 750 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 5: how to push the buttons of the media. He knows 751 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 5: what will work in the media. Everything he does, everything 752 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 5: he thinks about, is directed at that. 753 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: You think Democrats could take a page from that. 754 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 5: No, I think Donald Trump is entirely unique. I think 755 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 5: you know the Democrats are no Democrat who has spent 756 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 5: fourteen years as the star of a reality television show. 757 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 5: I mean again, I always say I think that Donald 758 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 5: Trump is an aberration. When he passes all of this 759 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 5: stuff Magaworld, trump Ism, it all dies with him. 760 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: Thank god, thank you, thank you, Michael Wolf. 761 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 5: Thank you. 762 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 2: No, no moment. 763 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: Second, Jesse Cannon. 764 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 3: My junk Fast, we have a very very shady fellow. 765 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 3: In a podcast filled with talk of shady fellows. One 766 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 3: Andrew and Tristan Tate have arrived in Florida, and let 767 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 3: me tell you something. 768 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 2: Meet Paul Ron is not happy, too so. 769 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: Lazy for Rome right, too crimey for Romania, but sent 770 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 1: to Florida. So again, it's not clear because why would 771 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: it be, And the most transparent White House in America 772 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: did not make it clear whether or not they imported 773 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: these two alleged sex traffickers. We don't know how they 774 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: got here, we don't know why they're here, but we 775 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: do know that Meeta Ron is not happy. 776 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 3: It seems like a lot of Maga world is not 777 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 3: happy because they thought we were going to get rid 778 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 3: of these sex traffickers. Of the alleged rapist agitate is 779 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 3: on tape describing beating women. It is a very gruesome 780 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 3: and ugly, ugly tape, and I could see why they 781 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 3: would not be happy with this after mister Trump's rhetoric. 782 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, and so again an alleged brothers who allegedly 783 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: did unspeakable acts are now being imported allegedly to Florida. 784 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Pollings. Tune in 785 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 786 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 787 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 788 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.