WEBVTT - David Fishof 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:13.760 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Bob Left podcast. My yesterday 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:20.119 is promoter entrepreneur David Fishel David, Bob, Thanks, yeah, great 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:25.360 to be here. Okay, winter shows coming back, I think October. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.319 I'm hoping that the Scorpions will return to Vegas so 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.920 I can do a camp there. But you know, I'm 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.000 still scared. I think it's gonna have to be two 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.720 thousand twenty two. I think the to feel us, to 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.600 us to feel secure that we're gonna be in a 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.120 in a situation. Um, I think that's gonna have to 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.920 be next year. Okay, you're planning to do this in 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.800 the fall. Have you sold tickets for it? No? I 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.080 didn't want to go on sale because the last thing 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.960 I want to do is hold people's money. So, uh, 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.560 I've just been I was really supposed to be in 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.640 May and um, but no, I had Bright and White 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:03.640 before ovid I stopped. I didn't go and sale. Okay, 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.800 so how have you ridden out this year long process? So, Bob, 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.000 I started these master classes in June because I wanted 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.399 to recreate at least part of what I did at 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.560 Rock and when I do at Rocketball Fantasy Camp. So 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.200 I asked many of these artists if they would come 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.399 on Zoom and I went to a universe part Ticketmaster 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.520 and was selling tickets or people to come and be 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.919 able to communicate with these artists. And uh I started 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.760 with Mark Farner from Grant Funk, and I had Roger 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.800 Doultrey on and the band Sticks and the Scorpions, and 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.520 you know, these artists decided they were going to do 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.399 this and give the money to their crews and uh 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.559 so it's been fun we did. We've done a hundred 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.919 fifty of them. Okay, if you've done a hundred and fifty, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.880 how many different acts or that is that? I would 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.520 say we did about a hundred different acts, okay. And 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.160 if you missed the live performance, can you watch the 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.840 can you buy a ticket for the rerun? So I 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.600 haven't done anything there yet. We have this amazing library. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.240 I'm just deciding what to do with it, and uh um, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.160 you know, the the artists and my partners on it. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.120 So I'm gonna confer with many of them, but I 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.040 plan to do something with the with the information because 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.760 these classes Bob unlike, these rock stars coming on usually 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.400 doing interviews for records, and they're selling their their live gigs. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.679 They're giving away information and they're giving their sharing information 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.520 that you can't get anywhere else. I mean, whether it's 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:30.680 Alice Cooper talking about stuff or Roger Daltree. And uh, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.600 you know, I've been blown away by all these classes. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.000 You know, we've we've advertised the sixty minutes. They've all 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.120 lasted ninety to two hours, um, and they've been really 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:46.280 great and motivate and great motivation while we're going through COVID. Okay, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.760 how much is a ticket to one of these master classes? 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:55.600 So the classes start um, and they've gone up to uh, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.959 you know, I charged five hundred for Roger adult because 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.400 we're giving all the money to his charity. So twenty 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.000 five people get get to spend five dollars to ask 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.400 Roger a question, but most of them been a hundred 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.000 dollars and um, and you know you get to really 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.400 talk to these people and get some great info. So 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:18.000 how many people are at each master class? So you know, 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.080 we've altened it up to twenty five people, um, and 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.920 they come in from all around the world. Um. And 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.560 now we were increasing it to a few hundred where 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.400 people can just watch them and uh, so you know, 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.440 you buy a ticket for twenty five dollars, you can 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:37.200 watch them um, and then someone who's paying, you know, 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.640 twenty hundred dollars they get to really talk to the artist. Okay, 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.160 you buy the ticket on ticket Masters. That correct, Yes, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.680 that that I have to ask a question, what about 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.760 the fees? So the fees that you know, were they charged? 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.800 The person pays above the fees, you know whatever, the 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.200 fees are above UM. But there there, you know, there there. 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.760 I started inventive and I started on and they're all 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.920 the same. The only reason I asked, if one buys 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:09.440 a concert ticket, there's a kick back to the building. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.760 There's a kick back to the promoter in addition to 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.000 the fee to Ticketmaster, which is how it makes its money. 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.120 So I would think inherently the fee. Would you would 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.640 negotiate a lower fee on something like this? I did? Did? 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.719 They did give us a lower fee, and I don't 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.520 want it. Didn't take any money from him, you know, 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.080 I think it's really um an opportunity for I want 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:31.880 to take at Master because I wanted them to help me. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.520 My goal is for them to go to the concert 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.040 um goer that they have the records of and to basically, Hey, 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.200 you know you can't go to this depth leopard concept, 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.640 but you can watch Joe elliott. I was hoping that 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.120 was going to happen, but you know, we'll see what happens. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.880 They've been really slow during COVID. Okay, that begs the question, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:54.120 how are people aware of these master classes? What is 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.680 the marketing? The marketing is basically been the artist promoting 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.200 it on his site. And I have a two hundred 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.240 thousand list of people over twenty five years who wanted 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:05.760 to go to rock and roll Face camp. Where have 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.320 gone to camp? And Uh, people come to camp and 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.160 you know they they're they're coming into it and they're 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.599 seeing it and the word about and how frequently do 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.520 you have a master class. I've been doing him three 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.760 or four nights a week, and uh, and you know 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.320 now we're I took off a little bit during January 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.720 because the Super Bowl a football, but we're going back. 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.680 We're starting again. We're starting up with Roger on February seven, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.120 and um, we got Eddie Kramer's gonna mix a song. 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.000 You're gonna be able to watch Eddie Kramer mixed a 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.920 song live. You know you'll be able to sive in 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.000 a song. I had Desmond Child last month doing three 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.640 nights part time class or three night class where you 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.720 got to send in your song to Desmond and he 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.480 would basically took six songs and uh he gave everyone 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.120 an hour an hour and a half and you got 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.800 to watch him um comment on the song. And he 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.560 was brilliant. I mean, some lady writes since he has 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.160 I found love from Tennessee to Texas to the Alamo. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:08.520 He said, lady, we lost the Alamo. So he was 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.200 he was great. He's I think he spent he spent 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:16.400 three hours, three nights um doing that. So where side says, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.800 you know, bigger classes. Okay, the Desmond is quite a 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.080 character and he has his opinions. He's great, but let's 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.720 talk about someone who's not inherently a songwriter like Desmond. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.440 That's how he made his bones, although he's also a performer. 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.440 What is the format of the class. So I have 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.040 a young ladynamed Britt Lightning who was the lead guitarist 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.360 and ViOn and she's been the host of all these classes. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.359 So I wanted someone who you know, knows music and 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.680 and she's been you know, starts off the class with 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.800 asking him a few questions and then we we we 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.400 have these people come on zoom, we we un mute them, 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.120 we get them to ask the question. And it's until 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.039 crazy the way these people, you know, they stay up 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.360 all night from London and they stay up from Chicarta. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.800 I mean they've and people come from all around the 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.760 world to ask their their favorite person a question. I 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.800 mean Eric Johnson, Uh, he was getting a guy from 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.040 India who you know, he's done three classes and and 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.400 it's been great, and you know, there's and he got 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.280 to talk to the artists and the artists and you 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.880 could say a load of them and it's really been great. 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.240 It's been great. And it's not you know, like you said, 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.400 it's not a mat and greed. It's it's not a cameo. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.640 You're gonna learn music, okay. And to what degree are 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.960 these people musicians are fan boys so to speak, they're musicians. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.640 They're musicians and their vocalists and the young young ladies 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.200 have come on who and young people who idolize these people, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.720 you know, Joey Kramer, you know, it's amazing that but 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.600 the house of people that came on for Tom Hamilton, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:48.120 Joey Kramer we're teenagers who their parents listen to the bands, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.240 so you know they wanted to ask questions and do 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:55.080 you listen and participate whether you talk or not in 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.400 every master class or you know you can't pay attention 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.560 to everything. Sorry, And I love Bridge, he does it all. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.160 I listen to most of them. I put her on mute. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.280 I start eating dinner. Um, I gotta tell you they've 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:12.280 been so I've learned so much because again these artists 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:17.360 are sharing materials about their careers and really trying to 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.640 help people. So you know your friend Chef Gordon, he's 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.760 done three of them, he sold out the most. Um, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.520 he's sold out the fastest. People want to ask questions. Hey, 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.720 Chef Covid, you know what do I do with my career? 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:34.240 I've seen agents come on. It's it's compuite interesting, Okay. 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.920 And you're talking about all of them that you mentioned 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.120 are essentially doing it for charity or any of them 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.520 doing it for their own wallet, irrelevant of their cruise. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.880 Of course they're doing it for their own wallet, and 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.160 someone are doing for the wallet. Chef gave his money 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.040 to I think I wrote a check out to the 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.120 Maui Food Bank. Um. But yes, the artists. You know what, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:55.760 many of the artists are doing it for their own 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:00.480 for their own you know, because uh, they're not making money. Now, okay, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.280 So the artists you've had on the master classes, these 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.120 are all artists you have had a previous relationship with. No, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.080 That's what's been interesting. Many of them are started that way. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.319 But then I've reached out to the the guitar player 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.760 from Wilco and uh, you know, he was great, He 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.880 did a class and never met him. Um So I've 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.720 been asking people who've never done Rock and Roll Fantasy 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.200 Camp to to come on and just see our brand, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.679 talk to our people. Um so yeah, it's been all 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.880 different types of people, all different kinds of artists. Do 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.560 you find that you have to sell or does your 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:38.160 reputation proced you and to some people say no, well 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.160 I found out my whole career. You know. People have 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.360 said no, sure you're gonna you know you're gonna see No, 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.400 because I've been doing a split with the artists. It's 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.280 basically I'm doing a fifty fifty split with them, and uh, 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.959 because you know, I want them to promote it, and 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.640 and and also because who knows how what this what's 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.880 going to happen here? So you know, so people show, 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.400 people turn you down, you know, pick. Some people wanted 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.760 the questions in advance. Some people wanted to you know, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.439 they were afraid that maybe someone's gonna call, you know, 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.880 a person was gonna get online that they didn't want 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.040 to know. But you know, have we've really honestly had 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.280 no problems them spend a hundred bucks to call somebody 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.679 and ask the stupid questions. It's it's really been great, 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.960 it's really been fun. Okay, you know, each one of 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:25.000 them is limited to twenty five people to ask and 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.600 then the rest of people can watch. Okay, And those 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.200 are different price points, yes, yes, they've been different price points. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.400 Those the the asked seventy five to a hundred and 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.080 then the Prince and the listener has been And what 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:44.360 is the largest audience you've had for listen only? I 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:50.000 would say Roger to actually Joe Elliott dick Um. They 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.560 were they were grand scorpions, a lot of people from 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.680 around the world. How many people were in the Peanut 0:10:55.720 --> 0:11:01.360 Gallery listening? About two hundreds. I'm just suddenty five to Yeah, okay, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.880 you're a person whose main rep now is live performance. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:10.280 Needless say, there are no live performances. The master classes 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.040 are not a conventional concert But do you believe or 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:19.800 have any insight to doing virtual concerts? No, you know, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.200 I'm not un concept business. I'm not competing with Live 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.119 Nation or a g um. I want to give away information. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.439 I want, I want. I want to teach people. You know, 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.200 let's I've changed my whole lifestyle to share people the 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:35.000 knowledge of these artists, these musicians. That's why created the camp. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.440 It's really it's really a place where you can come 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.840 and and and learn and play with people that are 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.439 better than you, and I want to get that experience. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.960 I'm not so essentially all your time at this point 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.959 is camp and the other things established. And Ringo is 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.240 a one off tour or would you have other touring 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.000 acts or performances. No, I'm not even I'm not doing 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.720 Ringo tours. I'm not doing his tours anymore. I'm not 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.079 doing any live tours. I started my career. I did 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.600 Happy Together, I did Dirty Dancing, I toured out. You know, 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.600 I've been everywhere, and I you know, it's about fifteen 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.239 years ago. I got remarried and I have two teenagers, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.520 and uh and I don't want to go on the 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.520 road anymore. So rock Campus in my full time business 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.160 the film UM. I worked on the film to a 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.400 certain extent, but basically they told me stay out of 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.640 the kitchen so they can take the cake, and they 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.679 kept me out of it. UM. But no campus in 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.640 the full time business. And now it's been the master 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.920 class of promoting the film. Can you go a little 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.640 deeper in terms of your exit from promotion? You know 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.800 a lot of times people get squeezed out, some people quit. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.959 How did it end with you with Ringo and these 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.760 other Happy Together et cetera. Okay, so my business model 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.559 I you know, I started eighty four eighty eight four. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.880 I did my first Happy Together tour eight four five 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.840 eighty six, I brought the Monkeys back, and then I 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.280 did Dirty Dancing his live tour, then Ringo, and then 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.600 I've created packages like Super seventies and American Gladias. Then 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.800 what happened was once SFX and Live Nation came into 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.400 business and I got scared. I got scared because my 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.680 business model was find a UM, find a corporate sponsor, 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.960 go to your agency and like William Morris the CIA 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.800 at the end and let them book your shows with 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.520 all the promoters so they can basically you'll you'll they 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.280 they was they were selling for the promoters, guarantee the 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.720 artists the money and then put them on tour. But 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:33.800 what happened is once it we came down to one 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.720 or two promoters, um, and I wasn't selling to the 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.560 Ron Delston just in New York and Arnie Grantit in 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:45.439 Chicago and Jules Belkin. Then you know, I couldn't take 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.720 the chance, and I would produce the tour and then 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.839 all of a sudden, Live Nation SFX. That's that it 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.280 didn't sell, you don't want it. I'd be stuck having 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.480 to pay the artists for all those shows. So I 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:59.880 had to change my business model. And that's why I decided, 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.080 is gonna do, you know, spend more time doing these 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.600 camps and uh, but I had to get into promoting 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.160 it camps. And let me tell you something. Promoting terrible, Bob. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.160 It's you know, I used to walk away from every 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.559 gig say, oh, that promoter screwed me. That promoter screw 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.520 there are more people in the house. It's terrible to promote. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.320 It's hard, it really is. Okay, before we addressed that 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.680 the roll up started in ninety six. When did you 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.800 have sunset in your promotion career? My? My, my best 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.600 year was nineties six, eighties seven. I I brought the 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.040 monkeys back. Um. And so where did you go out? 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.680 When did you get out? No? Home on um, I 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:42.600 would say my last touring was, um, I don't know, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.720 seventeen years ago. It's the last time I did the 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.240 ring Goes tour. Um or fifteen years. I did Ringo 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.920 fifteen years um and then right right right far I 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.760 got married. Then I got married. No more touring. I 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:59.560 want to keep this marriage. Okay, the fifteen years. Who 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.520 does the Ringo tour now? Uh? Dave Hart does it 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:07.360 and uh he puts it together and and I think 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.080 he books it too. Okay, so it's still outside the 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.920 A G Live Nation world. Yeah yeah, I mean I 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.280 don't know how he does his business now, but you know, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.680 I know Ringos tours. It was exciting for me for 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.360 fifteen years. I put together great band for him, um, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.240 and that was fun and uh and then but he's 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.720 still touring. Yeah, God bless him. You know he's still 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.239 going at eighties. Okay, did you ever think of partnering 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.880 with a g or Live Nation years ago. I think 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.800 I made I did make a mistake when I went 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.320 to UM. I sold them a tour I saw. I 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.080 think I sold Bruce Uh. Um uh, I think I 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.960 was thinking Bruce's name. Um, but but THATSX. I told 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.920 them about tour of Ringos tour and um. You know 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.880 then I didn't take stock and I you know, back 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.280 those days, I probably will like to, you know, partner 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.720 with them now because I have such huge ideas I 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.200 want to do with the rock camp. Um, this camp 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.720 is going to go global because the film. I'm getting 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.560 so much, so much interest for people to come to camp, 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.800 and I really want to take it, take it around 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.440 the world. I'm ready. Okay, but let's start with the 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:19.120 building blocks. You're talking about how promoting is so hard. Uh? 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:23.040 Why is it so hard? Why is it hard? Um? Okay, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.800 So how about this story. I'm doing my first Happy 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.520 Together tour and the first year and then I did 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.120 the second year. I sell it to Ron Delsner and 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.080 he would buy from New York and Jones Beach. We 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.680 had on Tommy Jay's we were on three Dog Night 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.640 and he would sell eight thousand seats ten thousand seats 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.680 and he would do the pier. So then I said 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.680 to him one yet said, you know, ron Um, I'm gonna. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:46.880 I want to promote my own show. I'm gonna I'm 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.280 gonna do two nights at the at the Beacons here. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.240 I'm going to the two shows because I guarantee the 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.400 artist let me try it. And I go on sale 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.080 and it's not selling. It's not selling, and I don't 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.440 understand why it's not selling. Here. I was selling the 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.440 summer out and then all of a sudden us fall. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.280 I'm not selling any tickets. And I never forget walking 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.959 to the the theater and people are asking me tickets. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.680 Who needs tickets? Who needs tickets? I was thinking, wow, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.879 maybe it did sell out. I walk in there and 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.159 that's a half a house. You know, selling promoting is 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.960 very hard, and you know you've gotta advertise. You don't 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:24.480 know what's gonna happen. Um, It's it's a very tough business. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.760 And and uh, you know, you don't know what's gonna happen, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:29.760 and you're always risking. I mean, and and I was 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.280 risking when I was producing tours. As you saw in 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.159 the film. You know, they they Joe walshould leave on 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.159 out and play the joke on me. And after the 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.600 first fourth, fourth show at the guard State Arts Center, 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.639 and they basically want to quit, and I mortgage my house. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.480 I mean I mortgaged my house to put up that 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.840 Ringo tour in beautiful Town Aus in Manhattan, and I 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:53.320 mortgaged it to put down my deposits. Wow, okay, did 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.800 touring break up your earlier marriage? I would say that, 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.760 you know, being on the road a lot, Yeah, I did, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.120 because you know, you go on the road, and well 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:04.600 I never used to go on the road and Happy 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.040 Together tours. I never went on the road. I never 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.199 went on the road really with those early tours, I 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.520 go out to a city and then I come back. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.280 I go out to a city, come back. But when 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.120 when I put the Ringo's first tour after the fourth show, 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:20.920 I turned him and I said, uh, you know, I 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.000 want to go home for the Sabbath, and you know 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.680 I observed Shabbat and and uh he turned to me 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.320 and he said, well, you know you can do the 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:30.520 Sabbath in Buffalo. Why do you have to go, you know, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.080 go home, And basically said, you know, you said you're 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:34.600 gonna be out of here with me. And I said, well, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.240 that's agent talk. You know, I don't really go on 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.600 the road, and um, but then I realized that, you know, 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.600 my business was in Buffalo, my businesses in Chicago. My 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.119 businesses is wherever the artist is. And and I remember 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.199 it was, you know, it was um, Bill Graham who 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.840 threw something in my mind. We're at the Concorde Hotel 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:56.639 and I was rehearsing the Monkey tour and Bill Graham, Um, 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.960 we used to go up to the castles every summer 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.560 to be a waiter. And he said to me, Um, 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:04.680 he had a little to drink one night. And I said, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.080 but what do you do for him? With him? He's 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.159 on the Rolling Stone the tour manager. And what do 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.159 you mean you're the Rolling Stones tour manager. Yeah, I 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.080 have to go on the road. Who else can tell 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.399 Mick Jagger get f on the bus and you know, 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.200 and basically he said, you gotta be out there. So 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.320 with Rinko, I decided, you know what, I have to 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.600 be out there. And you were out on the road 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.800 for four months, and you know, basically you come home 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.280 and you know, you want to tell the wife what 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.120 to do. And she said looks at you and says, wait, 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.679 you haven't been here for four months. What are what 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.000 are you trying to do? So I found being on 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.840 the road very difficult for my marriage. And how did 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.399 you meet your new wife? Your present wife? So my 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.280 present wife walks into my house for a sad. I 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.080 used to host a lot of singles on on for 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.040 shoppist lunch in my house, and in walks a young 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.560 lady who's a Duran Duran groupie, and I couldn't need 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.199 to find a woman whose orthodox and who can rock 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.400 and roll. And she turned out to be a groupie 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.520 and who became Orthodox. And we have two teenagers and uh, 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.160 seven grandkids. I got three older kids, and uh we're 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.359 all living together here in l A. So it's really nice. Okay. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.600 Were these single nights giving back to the community or 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.440 a way for you to meet your new wife? That's 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:18.359 the great question, you know. I I holsted the meals 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.159 right eventually to meet my new wife. But uh, you know, 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:22.760 in the beginning, I didn't want to get married. I 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.159 thought I'm not getting married again. I got grandkids, and uh, 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.399 I remember Roger adult she asked me. He says, what 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.400 about that girl you met you told me about her. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:32.320 I said, Rob, if she wants to have kids, I 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.480 have two grandkids, I don't. I don't want any more kids. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.359 And then he said to me, you have kids at 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.240 sixty five, teenagers running around your house. And I said, okay, 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.840 And you know what, I wake up every morning. I'm 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.040 so thankful to him because, you know, having teenagers around 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.480 the house, that's just at my age, especially now I'm 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.000 sixty four, it's great. They're so motivated and they keep 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.800 me alive and keep me going. And you know, frequently 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.120 the breakups of the marriage affect your relationships with children, 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.800 especially when you're on the road. So what happened with 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.760 the three initial children, who you also say live in 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.720 the local area of Los Angeles? Now, so I were 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.560 Fortunately when when I got divorced um my ex wife, 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.080 she moved to Florida and said, you you know you 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.160 want the kids, you keep the kids, you know. So 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.639 for a while, uh I basically was a main parent, 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.320 and uh I raised the kids and uh I kept 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.560 I moved my office into my town. I was in Manhattan. 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.720 The kids would come home from from the yeshiva. They 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.760 would do their homework in front of me, and so 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.760 I'm very close with my kids. I my daughter Alana, 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.000 she called me today. Um, she works for a company 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.439 called Beach Body and they're going public and she's a 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.080 real superstar, a lot of mostly in and she told 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.080 me a lot. You know. These kids are are and 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:47.679 my other son and my daughter is married to a 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.240 rabbi here in Hancock Park and they have five kids. 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.840 And my son Josh is here. So yeah, I know 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.560 I was. I was the main parent. Okay, So how's 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:01.239 their relationship with their mother? Uh? Fortunately passed away, you know. 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.400 And yeah, the mom passed away, Bob and about three 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.639 years ago. And and uh so now it's me. I 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.680 got to do it all and I love it. I 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.960 love it. Okay, how did you decide to move to 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.600 l A? So I was doing the rock and Roll 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:20.320 Fantasy camps and um Mark Burnett um came to see 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:21.879 me in New York and he said, I want to 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.960 make a reality series out of your show and out 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.440 of your camps, and um, you know I had done 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.840 one earlier on TLC. They did a special they William 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:35.480 Maritza had offered John Farred to the late John farredy 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.520 offered me. Uh, said, I got a deal for you. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.840 They want to do a series on Rock Roll Fantasy 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:42.679 Camp and they want to, you know, make it like 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:46.320 The Bachelor meets uh Rock and I remember Forget, I 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.959 remember Colly Roger and I said, Roger got a enough 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.480 for a series here, and he says, don't do it. 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:56.119 It's gonna kill your brand. And so I decided not 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.280 to do it, but he said, do it two hours special. 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.720 They did a two hour special and it turned out great, 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:03.200 and he did. It was on TLC and Brett Michaels 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.520 was in a Mills Locker was in it. Basney told 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.960 the story about Camp. Then when when Mark Burnett came 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:11.840 to see me and he promised me, I'll make a 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.040 reality show. I said, you know, you gotta keep it 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.080 rock and roll. It can't be reality. And he tried 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:18.639 the best he could. He sold us a v H 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.520 one classic. It was pre the Voice, it was, it 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.400 was you know it was. It was a good show. 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.679 But I wanted to come out to l A. And uh, 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:28.480 I've always wanted to come out to l A. But 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.399 I didn't want to leave my parents years ago, and 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:33.719 so I came out first and then the kids followed me. 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:38.400 It was great, Okay, l A is getting a bad rap. 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.399 Now all of California you still sold? Or would you 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:45.199 ever move back? No, I'm staying here. You wake up 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.160 every morning and you see the sunshine, and you've got 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.840 your grandkids here, and no, I'm not going back. And 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.479 you know I saw, I'll pay the extra taxes and tears. 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:55.639 I liked it. And now my next top is Israel. 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:59.480 That's where I'm going next. Okay, you and Sheldon Adolson 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.600 who was no there with us. But in any event, 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:06.400 when you talk about the two TLC and v H one, 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:11.280 if you could rewind the clock, would you have done them? 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.920 I would have. Yeah, the TLC I loved um. When 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.440 I've done the idea, No, I probably wouldn't have done 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.200 the Mark Burnette one because it really doesn't show what 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.800 my camp is about. You know, my campus about people. 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:25.960 It's not young people aspiring to be rock stars. It's 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:29.400 people over forty wanting who had a decision in life 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.080 to make. They were they were, they were in high school, college, 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:33.560 they were in a band, and they have to make 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.399 a decision do I become a rock star or do 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:38.280 I get a real job. And they really wanted to 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.680 become a rock star. You know, my my third book. 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:42.280 I'm writing a book. Now, Hey, mom, I could have 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:43.919 been a rock star, but you maybe go to Harvard. 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:48.920 And that's my customer. And um, they're passionate about what 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:51.760 they want to be a musician. And you know, Joe 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.639 Perry was funny. One night he gave a class he 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.320 was talking about at camp. He said to a guy 0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:59.640 were in Fox was doing a rock camp. He turns 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:01.879 to a guy, he says, hey, what do you do 0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:03.720 for a living? And guy said, I'm a doctor. And 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:05.960 then the weekends, I have a band. And he says 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.359 to him, and I play guitar. And Joe says, no, no, 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.520 you're a guitarist. First you do the other medical bullshit 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.520 to pay for your guitars. And it's true. A musicians 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.440 a musician. And so that's that's really what I'm about. 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:22.240 I'm about teaching getting people to play with these superstars. 0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:24.680 It will make them a better player. You saw in 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.760 the films that you become a better player, and it's 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:32.080 really you're living a dream. And unlike the sports fantasy 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.560 camps where they they end when you you know, thirty 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.880 five campaign athlete, you can still make a living being 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.000 a musician at sixty five seven, that you can play 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.199 a bar mits, so you can write a song, you 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.680 can be in a tribute band. And I've seen these 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:51.080 people graduates from my camps and just really flourish. Now 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.440 a lot of rock stars are legendary for either being 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:58.199 non verbal or off putting. How do you what's your 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.520 experience and how do you live in These people up 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.280 who were gunshy, who might have gotten into music because 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:07.960 their music would speak for them. Well, listen, this camp 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.760 could not never worked if it wasn't for um, you know, 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.000 people wanting to give back, and not every It's not 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.520 for every musician I've turned you know, people turned me down. 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.920 Remember when I first started the Door Raymond Derek and 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.000 the Door said I'm up playing with amateurs, you know, 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.440 and and people turned me down. And the way I 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.080 got it started really was I I went to see 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.120 Roger uh and Roger he had just done a tour 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.600 for me in British roc Symphony. And I did my 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.600 first camp in Florida as you see in the film, 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.840 and Um, I called Mills, Cinna called Clarence Clemence. Mills 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.159 got it. Clarence said I'll come over, and even my 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.239 love of the Beach Boys and Mark Farne. I call 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.439 everybody that I knew and then towards them and said, hey, 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.560 I got got this crazy idea. What you come And 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:51.919 they came, and um, I had about sixteen people, and 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.760 then I had but I had forty media people came 0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:58.359 and uh, they came to watch and but people had 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.760 a great time. And the meeting guys to me and said, 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:03.239 you know, we were gonna blow you. We were we 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.720 were gonna, you know, write terrible things about you. But 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.120 this thing is great. We're really learning, have be fun. 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:12.080 And they wrote great stories. So um, then when I 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.280 want to see you know Roger, and I said to her, 0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.000 I explained to him what I'm doing and he didn't 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.440 understand it. He could saying, comp what's the camp? What's 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.600 the camp? What's the camp now? Bob, I grew up 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:23.440 in the cast Cools. I went to camp. You know 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.639 those guys in England the word camp you know. He 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.440 said you should do with the Thompson Twins of the 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.639 village people. They the work camping in London needs something else. 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.639 So I turned him. I said, Roger, let's let me 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.800 change the subject. If you had a chance to play 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.280 with your hero. Who would you want to play with it? 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.600 You know the way he says, leave on Helm. He says, 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.360 you introduced me to leave on Helm. I'll do your can, 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.760 so now leave on. I hadn't met him through the 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.080 Ringo and he did my first ring Goo tour. I 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:51.960 turned to Roger, I said, you know Leean's you know, 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.399 he's not doing well financially. Said whatever you're gonna give him, 0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:56.080 we're gonna gives me give it to him. I want 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.840 to meet him. So I called leve On and said, 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:00.440 leve On, would you come to camp up and meet 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:02.199 Roger and I can get him to come to my camp. Well, 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.399 I'll be there there, I'll be there for you. And 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:06.680 he was so nice. He came down from what suck. 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.480 He got to meet Roger. And then Roger comes to 0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.200 the camp and he starts jamming with the feeble room 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:14.480 after room, and then he turns to me says, what 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.720 are they gonna when when these people are performing? I said, 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.240 they're performing at the bottom line, he's not gonna jam 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:22.960 with each band. And he came and and I gotta 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:24.840 I gotta give him credit, because you know, he really 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.359 enjoyed it. Had a great experience, and he's done seven 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:31.240 camps for me, and um, it's been interesting for him too, 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.720 because you know, he's got to meet some great people. 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.639 When one of the campers game two hundred fifties thousand 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.720 dollars to play a Who's Song with him at at 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:41.720 for his charity, you know, he rodgers all about teat 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:46.880 cancer and uh and so he's met some great people. Okay, 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.440 let's go back to the beginning. You grow up where 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:54.440 I grew up in Hackinsack, New Jersey. I'm born in Manhattan. 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.320 My dad said cancer. He's a survivor of the Holocaust. 0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:00.520 He survived out for this, he said, I book them. Well, Um, 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:02.640 so you know I heard the stories my whole life. 0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.320 My father was one of those who talked about it. 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:06.600 You know, something anson't even talk about. He talks about 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.800 it every day every day. He put it in my 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:12.000 head about what he went through. And uh, so I 0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:16.320 grew up basically in in Hackensack, New Jersey. Um, the 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.120 only how about your mother? What was she like? What 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:23.280 was her background? My mom was from Berlin. UM and 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:26.960 when when Hitler was taking over in Germany, her father 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.680 took his diamonds, he sewed him in his jacket and 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:32.760 he just said, I'm going on vacation. He took my 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.720 mom and and and my grandmother and they went to 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.760 Israel and then eventually they came to New York City. 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.680 He couldn't make a living in Israel, but he basically 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:43.960 he was able to sew his diamonds up and and 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.360 uh in his coat and left. My father was in 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.560 you know, he was from Bratislava, and um he lived 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.200 as a non Jew. That was amazing. My dad lives 0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.240 as a non Jew. And his brother in law was 0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.320 a guy named Castetna. And I don't know if you 0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:02.440 remember they had those videographers she those ca okay, So 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:04.880 that was his brother in law. So my dad learned 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.640 how to make how to print. So he lived as 0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:11.720 he escaped from a concentration camp called Sarah. It was 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.320 a small camp and he makes his way to Budapest 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.240 and he lives as a non Jew. My dad survived 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.120 because he was blonde hair and he was blue eyed, 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.360 so he didn't look Jewish. And he called his name 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.040 Red Martin was his nickname. And he worked in a 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:29.400 printing press and he made false passports and I can't 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.840 tell you how many Jews. I met over the years, 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.080 so many people that he saved their lives. Um, he 0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:38.080 made false passports and uh, it was a great Rabbi 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:40.120 said to me one day, he said, you know, my 0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:43.240 whole life I made people Jews. Your dad may maybe 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:48.200 a non Jews maybe. Okay, just since with this deep 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.200 into it, how did your father get hurted up and 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.800 go to the concentration camp to begin with? So, Um, 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.360 he got captured. Um In the police arrested him and 0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.320 in brought the slava and they rounded up him and 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.000 his father. His father they sent right away to a 0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.440 camp right near Auschwitz. So that's why my dad was 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.440 trying to get to Budapest. He was trying to get 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.640 to Budapest because he wanted to get close to his father. 0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:16.080 My dad's part of he was six brothers, six sisters, 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.760 um and uh. Five of the brothers, five of the 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:24.360 brothers survived and six except one Um. The other sisters 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:28.000 they died in the camps. And so then he got 0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:32.320 hut up. But oh, so then he escaped the camp. Okay, 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.520 he jumped over a fence. And there's a book called 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.760 the Yellow Star that was just came out. Um. It 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.200 was written in the sixties, but they they just republished 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:45.120 it um and Um. It's called The Yellow Stars on 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.720 It's on Amazon, and it really tells the story about 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.120 my father and his his five friends how they survived Auschwitz 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.560 and book bold but basically how they kept My father 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.280 would get on the floor and the Nazis wouldraw these 0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.200 UH cigarette butts, and he would take the cigarette us 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.480 and the part that wasn't smoked, he he put together 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.320 a cigarette and then he traded flower so he can 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:09.720 make matzos on Passover with water. He my father kept 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.160 a religion as much as he could in the camps, 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.520 and he gets caught. But he gets caught, Um. He 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.760 got beaten a crazy because someone told on him on 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.560 the streets in Budapest that that that man is making 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.920 false passports, and he got arrested. He goes to Auschwitz 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:25.920 and then he volunteers to get out of Auschwitz, to 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.040 speak to UH, to go to book and Wall, to 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.000 work in a plane factory, and he gets liberated for 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:34.000 the American government, Um, the American Army. Second night of Passover, 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:38.720 he gets liberated from book and Walter. Wow, how many 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.640 kids in the family. It's just me and my brother Joe, 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.680 Joe is six years old than me. He's a rabbi 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:48.840 in Boca Raton. Um. He's the rock and roll fan. 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.080 He's the one that my brother is. Really. I was 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.920 a sports guy. I was. I was a sports agent. 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.960 I love sports. My brother loved rock and roll. I 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.640 remember when I got to pick up Jer Baker and 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:04.000 he came to camp. I said to him Ginger. Um. 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.360 I heard two words growing up, God and Ginger Baker. 0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:10.840 My father Wou was talking about God and my brother 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:14.040 Joey talked about Ginger. Joey is the Yeah, he still is. 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.800 He's a rabbi and in all his congregation brings him 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:18.960 gold record and brings them records all day. It takes 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:22.440 the concerts and you know that's he loves that. And 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.680 did you take piano lessons or play an instrument? Growing up? 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.880 I tried at the piano lessons guitar, and you know what, 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.400 I was terrible, and you know, and I wanted to 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.600 be in my brother's band. And you know, because he 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.360 was a drummer, he got all the girls and he 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.400 was six years older and I couldn't do it. And 0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.680 you know, I tried to be in the band and Um. 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.000 Then my Dad turned to me and he says, get 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:45.920 out of the band. You know. He said, you can 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.920 book six bands a night. So it was my dad 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:58.240 and I booked my brother up in the castles. So 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.320 did you go to Jewish school? Did you go to 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.040 regular public school? Now? I went to the Shiva. I 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:04.920 want to Aschiva my whole life. And you know, I 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.160 have to both the Hebrews and English people in the 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.280 English studies. And then I went to college for about 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:16.720 a year. Um, it wasn't I went to Baruke in Manhattan. Um. 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:18.799 And then I met my first ball player. I was 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.000 twenty years old. I meet Elliot Mattics to center field 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.400 of the Yankees, and um, and I always wanted to 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.200 be a sports agent. So he introduced to Luke and 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.120 Ella and then I met Vince. Oh a little bit slower, 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:35.640 Let's go back to your Judaism. What is the future 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:39.439 of Judaism both worldwide and in America with so much 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:43.880 injured marriage? What's your philosophy or well that you know, 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.919 I'm very opinionate on that. I am so against into marriage, um, 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.600 only because I think that, um, it will it will 0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.600 lessen the Jewish race. Um. But on the other hand, 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.520 you know, love is important. So I'm at a stage 0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.759 in my life where you know, love comes first, but 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:07.200 I don't encourage into marriage. Um. But I respect everybody 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.440 to find love in their life. So uh, you know 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.360 it's um, I asked to respect it. But I think Judaism, 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:18.080 I think we're doing better. I think, uh um, Israel 0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:22.520 is becoming such an incredible place. I mean, the state 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:26.440 of Israel, all the technology that comes out of there. There, 0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:30.759 people are moving there. Um. You know, it's incredible. I 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.560 mean I I think Truthum is a nice city in Manhattan. 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:38.120 You know, it's a great place to live. Okay, what 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.840 about the increased anti Semitism in America in the last 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.560 four years. It's bad and it has been bad. You know. 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:47.759 I live in a neighborhood here in Hancock Park where 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:52.040 you know they destroyed the you know the rioty. They 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.800 were you know, groth stuff on the walls of the 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.799 the synagogues and my daughter's schools. That was scary. That 0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.960 was very scary. You know, I put acre out my 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:04.560 house because I was afraid what's going on? So you know, 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:09.560 anti Semitism will always be there, um. But you know, uh, well, 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:11.840 what am I gonna do we we we were not 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.600 gonna live. We're not gonna live. My dad was a 0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:18.520 very very strong about village and about being proud of 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:22.200 your Judaism, proud of your religion. Um, you know it's 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.719 I remember walking to synagogue in Galveston, Texas, and and 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.560 and you know, Brocton Mats. We walked to the guy 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:29.960 and a guy yelled out dirty June. My father. I 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.319 never saw my father run so fast, and and he 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.960 tracked down those kids, and you know, walked into the 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.120 high school, onto Brockton High and and he told the 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:43.920 principal he's he was a real, real strong believer in Okay, 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:47.879 you're someone who wears a keep skull cap. It's you're 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.440 quite obviously Jewish. I would assume in this business and 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:54.880 traveling around the country, you've encouraged and you even countered 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:58.759 anti semitism on a regular basis. You know, I can't 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:02.480 I really encounter it. I know I was representing professional athletes. Um. 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:04.600 You know, some of the general mounagers that say, you know, 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.560 would be would be would say things to me, but 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.160 I don't think they realized what they were saying. UM. 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:13.560 And I you know, I think I think you'll get 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.880 a kick out of this. I was, I was producing 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.200 Dirty Dancing as a live tour. And if remember I 0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.680 did that tour. Uh I did it with Dennis Arfa 0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.400 and came up with his constant to put Dirty Dancing 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.200 on the road. And it was huge. It was. It 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.879 was a big, big, big tour for me and UM. 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.000 It played all around the world. And I got a 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.799 phone call from the promoter in Germany. What was his name, 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.919 the Israeli guy um I just talked about the other day. 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:43.520 He represented UM Michael Jackson there and he called me up. 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:45.960 He said, David, I want to bring Dirty Dancing to Germany. 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.560 And I said, and he said, I love you half 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.880 a million dollars And I said, I'm not taking Dirty 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.520 Dancing to Germany. I said, I'm not selling a show 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.880 of Germany. I said, Bob, I was raised, you wouldn't 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.160 have lots of I could if I couldn't drive a Mercedes, 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:01.360 I couldn't drive a b W. I couldn't wear a 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.640 leather coat. If it was made in Germany, it wasn't 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.640 at my house. And so I said, no, I'm thinking 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:10.040 of his name. I'll think of his name. Then another 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.319 promoter calls me up and he says, David. He says, 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.120 we'll off he as seven and fifty to bring dirty 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.719 dancing to Germany. I said, I can't do it. You know, 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:19.200 I'm not doing it. I'm gonna get I'm just not 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.480 doing it. And then I got a quote from a 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.000 well known lawyer in this town and he said, David, 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.319 please meet my promoter. Um he's in town. And what 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.319 really wants the big dirty dancing to Germany. Everyone knows 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:33.520 you're not gonna sell it, and but they take the 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:35.080 meeting with him. So I'm gonna get paid. You know, 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.960 he's gonna speak. And the guy comes to see me 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.439 and he says it offers me a million dollars. He said, 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.840 I'll give you a million dollars to do these shows 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.920 in Germany. So I said, you know, I'll think about it, 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:49.000 but I'm not doing it. And I call that night. 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.279 I called my father at home. I said dead. I said, 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.160 you're gonna be proud of me. I turned the million 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.919 dollars and I hear my father the on the phone. 0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:59.640 This up. I think this, Michiga, are you not nothing 0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:03.319 to take the money. You don't spend the money. Take 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.719 the money. And I never forget to call the guy back. 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:07.520 I said, okay, for a million three, we'll do it. 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.960 And um I saw I did during dancing in Germany. 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:15.520 So you know, listen, I've been to every synagogue around 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:20.920 the country. I spent the Sabbath at every rabbi kabbad house. Um. 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.720 You know what, keeping the religions probably kept me enthusiastic 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.520 all these years. It kept me away from the drugs, 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.960 It kept me away from you know, it just kept 0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:34.480 me as much centered as I could be because I 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.279 knew that I need time off. And you know, you know, 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.960 this business is crazy, pub and crazy in the sense 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:45.120 that it's not reality. It's not reality. And um, you 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.520 know one thing that changed my life to two was 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:51.200 I did a program about twenty years ago. Um. I 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.040 was a young lady here in l A recommend me 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.400 to the hostin process and I went away to this 0:39:56.520 --> 0:40:00.680 place and uh for seven days and you know, and 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.239 I'll never forget changed my life and really to work 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.839 on myself because I've been doing this since I'm twenty 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:10.520 years old, around athletes, around stars, and you gotta see reality. 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:15.040 It's it's hard. Okay, Uh, you go, let's go back 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:19.120 to the cat's skills. Was there any chance to save 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.440 the cats skills? And is there any way to resuscitate 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:26.560 the cats skills? The mountains, you know, the mountains we 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.319 were was a great learning place for me because first 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:31.719 of all it was as an agent, you have to 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.480 go at sell the docks in these hotels, in these bungalows. 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.240 But it also taught me why worked for this agency. 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:39.360 What they would do is they would go to Heny Youngman, 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.960 say hey, Henny, here's fifty shows guarantee for the summer, 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.200 for the ten weeks, for a Memorial Day to Labor Day. 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.680 They would do that to Freddy Roman, they would give 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:49.760 it and they would book them in a bungalow colony. 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.319 They would book them to open for humper dak at 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.640 the concorde Um, you know, wherever they sent you. And 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.200 that's how I got into these passage stores. I would 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.880 guarantee the money I took what I learned there. Now, 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:04.839 the problem with the castles was they were seving three 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.480 meals a day, and but I was the waiter up there, 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.359 and we would stuff our people so much. We'd beat 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.600 them a hundred main dishes because we knew at the 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:15.319 end of the week we didn't want to get a 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:17.760 big tip, So you know, I bring them a side 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.600 of chicken inside of turkey. You know, I just keep 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:22.480 you know, and no one will order a whole portion. 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.319 I just want to side the side of this, the 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:28.880 side of that, and um, you would stuff them. And 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:32.399 now you gotta understand those comedians who worked up there, 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:36.200 the Freddy Roman, the Jack Carters, the Jen Murray's, none 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.640 of those those great built and growths. They have to 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.160 entertain people wait three meals a day at growth, seviers 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:45.839 in the concorde who stuffed themselves. And now at tenth 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.080 thirty night there was a singer would go on and 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.200 then there was a comedian and trying to make people laugh. 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.600 And you know, unlike where you buy a ticket to 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:56.239 a show where you know you're sitting there like you're 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.040 gonna clap and everything. It's like doing those corporate dates 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.160 those artists. Hey, you know, I hate those corporate dates. 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.640 So those people get the show for free. So you know, 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:05.759 I was at a Beyonce show once and I still 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.080 have the people walked out because they didn't pay for it. 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.879 And that's a little as in the castles. They these 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.319 people sit back, Okay, did they sit back. They look 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.719 at the communities that got dat you enter tame me, 0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.400 I dare you to make me laugh? And the stick 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:20.799 that these guys had to do and these ladies, it 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.520 was incredible. I don't think the castle will ever come back. 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.040 People don't want the three meals a day, um, but 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.160 they want the homes up there. You know, it's still 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.520 a great place to go. And I recently sold my 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:33.120 house up there because I couldn't sell it. I thought 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:37.720 gambling was going to change. Okay, so your father says 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:42.640 to stop playing and start booking your How old and 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:48.000 how extensive is your booking business before you get into sports? 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:51.040 So I was My booking business was basically I was 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:55.440 booking Jewish centers and organizations UM around the country. And 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.360 I was booking UM. I was live in Herschel. Bernardi 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:01.440 was my first client, and and I was booking Herschel 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.040 and UM and then in the castles. I was booking 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.800 those because the Bungalo colleagues in the hotels and uh. 0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:11.760 And then I go into the sports business. And I'm 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:13.840 before you go into sports and you're going to college 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.719 one year, how how much is this a business? How 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:19.239 much money are you making or is it a sideline? 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:23.560 What is it? It's you know, making thirty dollars a year. 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:26.120 I'm you know, I don't have to be a waiter. 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.160 I'm storry to make some money. Um, booking a corporate 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:32.000 dates and but you know, really synagogues and and I 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.560 was making my thirty that's pretty good money back then. Yeah, 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:39.120 it wasn't Yeah, it wasn't bad. I was always making money. 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.200 What did your parents say about you dropping out of school? 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:47.000 My mother was so upset at me. Um, my father 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.840 didn't have a college education. My mother was so upset 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.040 at me. And I have to share something, you know. 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.200 At the last camp, you know, and we all worked 0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.480 on our childhood and our parents. It's all about our 0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:00.600 parents where we come from. I'll stay only at the 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:04.080 last At the last camp, he did. He gets up 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.000 there and he says, he gets interviews and one of 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:08.600 the kid, I have a young kid who interviewed him 0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:10.640 and he said to him, so, what did your parents 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.880 think when you became successful? And he says, you know, 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:16.640 my my mother she was so proud of me. My 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.279 father he was jealous. He still alive, my father, and 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.800 he's jealous of me. And he was jealous of my success. 0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:25.160 And all of a sudden I got hit. I thought 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.160 that my brother was the favorite. That he was six 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.320 years older. My brothers the rabbi. He went to college, 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.560 he went to masters. You know, he got his master's, 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.439 and you know, he was the favorite. I always walked around. 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.879 He was the favorite. And I realized that it wasn't 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:42.000 that my mother was jealous of me. She was jealous. Um, 0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.960 I was living this good life and and you know 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.080 I had a nice home and a nice apartment out 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.000 of place in Israel, and you know that, I think 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:53.640 so my mother was really always upset. You can't make 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:56.720 it without going to college, you know, Bob. I looked 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.640 back at it, and I did go back to college. 0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:00.319 After I did that house in process us and I 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.959 try to find myself. I went back. I did some years, 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:04.560 and I did. I went to Ford and took a 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.480 bunch of classes. And I think she's just right, you know. 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.399 I mean, I tell my kids, now, you've got all 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.160 my kids got masters. They all get to finish college. 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.560 And yu, my my my son the other day said 0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:18.560 you should be a lawyer. Um, I really believe in education. 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.840 But here I was. I had an opportunity too. I 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.600 was representing a baseball player twenty years old. I picked 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:28.040 up ll Matic and then Luke Panella. So you know, 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:30.080 you go to college to try to find a job 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.120 at a living and I was able to find a 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.879 living at twenty years old. Okay, how did you make 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:39.240 the deal to represent Elliot Maddox? So I was writing 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.680 for the the newspaper, the Jewish Press, and I was 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:46.080 staying in a camp in the summer, and um they 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.400 were having uh I was staying at this this camp 0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:52.000 and Dr J showed up and all these ballplayers, um 0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:55.560 were showing up to these camp and uh, I saw 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.120 how crazy these kids would go. And and here I 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.480 was collecting money, trying to get paid for these bungal 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.680 callbinator owners and the hotel owners, for the comedians and singers. 0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.160 I sold them and they would say, they said to me, 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.720 I've been taken up twenty five hours because the singer 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:10.719 didn't do a song from Findler on the Roof or 0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:13.520 the comedie wasn't funny. I said, this is crazy. I'm 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:17.480 gonna I'm gonna book ball players. I wanna get ball 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:21.040 when they show up their heroes. They signed autographs and 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.440 That's when I did. I went to Elliot Mattics. I 0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:24.799 met him at Yankees say him. I was doing an 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:27.759 interview I Jews in sports, and my first guy was 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.480 Ron Bloomberg. I went interview him and then I asked 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.160 if he did the appearance of the camp. He said, 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:35.520 he's rehabbing. He says, meet Elliot Mattics, and uh. I 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:37.440 went up with Elliot and I just started a business. 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.520 They said, let's start representing ballplayers together. So I opened 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.520 the little company called Elliot Mattics Enterprises. And then he 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.680 injud me to lou Pinella and uh, and then lose 0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.239 you know, really was the start of my you know, 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.960 my my start of my sports career. He introduced me 0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:54.479 to Vince Ferrik. I'm out here for the dryer out here, 0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:57.200 and you know, the one thing about ball players are 0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.120 if you do a good job for them, they share 0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:02.879 locker rooms to get other so they recommend you and uh. 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:05.239 And then I got still sims of the quarterback as 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.120 the Giants, and then I got the whole offensive line. 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.160 I was representing nine of the New York Giants in 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:13.200 nineteen eighties six. I couldn't even take on any more clients. 0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:16.560 You know, one team, you and nine players? So how 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.279 did you get lou? How did lose? Say? Yes? Did 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:22.040 he have an agent previously? No, he never had any. 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.560 Those sports guys didn't have agents. So I called Loud 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:27.880 to do an appearance at the camp and I picked 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.480 him up and drove him there and afterwards, let's forget. 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:33.400 He said, whence you come to my house? Blocker? He 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.359 gave me, He gave me twenty hours and he said 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:37.840 histily against and no, no, please, I don't want it, 0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.120 he said. He invited me to his house and I 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:42.520 had my yamaghan. He said, you want to have lunch here? 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:45.000 I said, no, I keep kosher. But I started talking 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:46.680 to him and I said, do you have an agent? 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.600 He says no, and uh. I said, well let me start. 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:51.359 You know, I'd love to see if I'm go out 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.759 to some commercials and some appearances. And he said, go 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:56.920 for it, and uh, and I did. And I called 0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.560 up every bank and in the town. I called bombs 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:01.960 close us in New York, I called wherever and the 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:05.240 anks were hot and you know that year and seventy 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:08.279 nine and uh, and Bucky Dennet just hit the home 0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:12.760 run and William Morris's represent any Buckey den So I would, uh, 0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.560 I call somebody and they bump into somebody, but they said, oh, 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:17.440 we're thinking of Bucky Dennet, William Mars and sad. How 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:20.280 much do they charge you? They said, I've got little Panela, 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.520 I'll do it for seventy five. And I pad commercials 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:26.279 and I hustle for little and then eventually he asked 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:29.360 me to negotiate his contract with George Steinbrenner. Um, and 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:33.080 I negotiated with George and um and again you know, 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:36.919 if you do great for one player, they help you. 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.719 You know, they recommend other players. Okay, you're negotiating with 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:45.000 George Steinbrenner. He's made all this money and shipyards and 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.400 all this other stuff. He owns the Yankee. You're you're 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:51.360 a little pischer. I'm a little How do you even 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:55.319 do that? Are you uptight? Are you confident? There's so 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.160 much you don't know? How do you do it? What 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:01.359 was the experience like? So that wasn't edible because um, 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:03.560 you're right, I didn't know. I wasn't. I'm not a 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:07.000 US sportsman. Um. But what I did was I have 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:10.680 a philosophy negotiations there's three things to win these information, 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:14.960 power and time. And the the time is that George 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:18.759 had to sign love um or else Louis can become 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:21.279 a free agent, and uh, he would have lost them 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:24.360 to other teams. So what I did was I called 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:27.120 around to all the general managers in baseball and I said, hey, 0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:29.400 I represented Luke Panella. Are you interested in it was 0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:31.640 gonna be a free agent. Now at that time, the 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:34.440 Yankees had until a certain time were to sign him, 0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:37.760 Georgie sign to sign him, and um. So I remember 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.000 calling all these general managers and they all said David 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:44.120 was not going to leave the Yankees and George is 0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:47.600 never gonna let him go and um. And then one 0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:50.200 general manager split the spilled the bease with me said, uh, 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:53.080 he says, listen at the owners meeting last week, George 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:56.800 got up and said, whoever negotiates against my players, you 0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:58.800 offer ten dollars, I'm gonna offer twenties. So don't go 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.919 after Reggie Jackson, don't go after Lucanella, don't go after 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:06.160 my players. When Luke called me, he saw or our Schluter. 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.319 You know, I'd love to talk, you know, he said, Well, 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.320 I worked out I'm reading with George. And I remember 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:13.040 I'm in l a and um I was working with 0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:15.640 the association too at the time. I fly down to 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.480 Florida and I'm gonna walk into this meeting with George 0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:21.560 Diebner and I'll never forget his desk was the size 0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:24.160 of I mean, it was a long penis. I had 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:26.440 to say, I mean, what he's He's at the head 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:28.600 of that, the head at the table, and I walk in. 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:32.360 He sits me down and and he basically, uh he said, well, 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.080 what do you want. I said, well, George, I'm here 0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:37.320 to talk about loose contract and to let him be 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:40.239 a free agent. I said, you know, George, he can 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.160 never be a free agent. You're never gonna let him go. 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.080 You're never gonna let him go. And uh So, basically 0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:49.320 I was able to negotiate. I got Lou a huge contract. 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:53.600 And because I basically had the information that George really 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.400 wasn't gonna let him go. The information I had was 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:58.279 time and he was in a rush to make the deal. 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:00.840 And powers in the mind. I looked in there with power, 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.720 I said, I got you know, I love these players. 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:07.160 I as a fan, I loved seeing these players and 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:10.640 and uh so I was really uh an advocate for them. 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:12.960 You know, early on, I was an advocate for these players. 0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:15.359 And the great thing was that at the same time, 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:18.120 I had the entertainment business going, so I wasn't desperate. 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.280 I wasn't desperate that I could negotiate a sports contract. 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:23.880 You know those days. You know, I had Vince Faragamo 0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:26.399 and and he got um I went when he hired 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:29.040 me to negotiate his contract. The agent he had before 0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:31.400 him was getting paid off by the by the general 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.440 manager of the ramps. And you know, they was getting 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.279 he was getting free tickets and they would getting um. 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:38.279 He was getting a bone. He got fifteen thousand dollars 0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.839 to get Vince to sign. And you know, I hear 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.600 I was as naive kids coming into l A. And 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:46.279 you know I, you know, Vince hired me, and I 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:49.160 and I you know, so I was really honest and 0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:52.200 straight with these guys and I and I didn't um. 0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:54.719 You know, I didn't kiss up to them because but 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:57.040 it's only because I had another business. You know, if 0:51:57.040 --> 0:51:59.200 I wouldn't have had show business, I probably wouldn't have 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:01.920 been that strong get the attainment this in sports, you know, 0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:05.600 So the two things really helped me bounce my life. Okay, 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:07.960 two things. You have pressure because these are household named 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.960 athletes too. It's kind of like buying a car. You 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:16.080 make an offer and they go berserk. You're insulting me whatever. 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.239 You know, how did you handle that? How did you 0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:22.319 keep your gumption in your nerves? Well, you know it was. 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:24.600 I try not to be a fan. You know, that's 0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.480 the one thing about me. I'm not a fan. I'm 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.800 not I mean, I'm a Celtics fan. So I remember 0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:32.520 callably read outback about a player and I said, read, um, 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:34.839 I gave you the player for free. I always want 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:36.600 to win, but I you know, I was a Red 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.960 Sox fans. I wasn't really a Yankee fan. But I 0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:42.080 did a lot of research. I would hire college kids 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:46.239 to get me the best research. When I was negotiating contracts, 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:48.600 you know, guys to go. I hired a rabbi once 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:52.960 to negotiate help me with Dave Magnet's negotiations because he 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:56.920 understood from that, you know, I get to analyze baseball. 0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:01.360 Contracts are really analysis of a guy hits sixty two RBIs, 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:05.000 another guy has sixty two r bis. My guy Maggant 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.400 and hit sixty to r bis. But you know, sixty 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.880 one of them the score was two to one and 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.680 he tied it up too to two, or he took 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:16.200 the lead, or you know, so they were meaningful. There 0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:18.280 are a lot of guys out there who have thirty 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:20.759 home runs and they hit up on the score seven two, 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:22.840 so they make the score eight to two. So you know, 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.399 you really have to do your research. And that's that's 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:29.000 what it was negotiating sports contracts. Okay, there was a 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:32.160 long time where people had the lead contracts in terms 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:37.520 of compensation. What was your philosophy? So, um, yes, there 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:41.120 were many contracts that. Uh. I was a believer that 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.480 I put a lot of my players into annuities. Um. 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:47.399 Back then you were able to to, you know, get 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.359 the team to pay the money into annuity and or else. 0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:53.120 I recommended my players to get anuities. And you know 0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.640 about I don't know. Fifteen years ago, I got a 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:58.280 call from a player here in l A and he said, David, 0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:00.719 I gotta check in the mail for house. And I said, 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:03.960 you're gonna get that check every month for the next 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:07.959 thirty years of your life. And I was a big, big, 0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:10.400 big fan of that because I was I knew that 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:13.239 their careers were gonna end. And I and I, while 0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:16.120 I never did any financial management, I always made sure 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.520 they had their own accountants, they have their own lawyers. 0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:20.160 I didn't want to be and I didn't want to 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:22.279 manage it because I saw too many players soothe their 0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:25.000 agents for handling the money. You know, when Louis the 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.160 general manager of the Yankees, he told me a story 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:31.520 that Ricky Henderson's agent, uh call you know, Lucas the 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:33.719 call from the accountant at the Yankees and said, hey, 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:38.279 lou h, you signed Ricky, but he didn't cash his 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:41.359 check for billion dollars sigimones and the years gone by, 0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:43.040 and he told him to check. And Louke call them. 0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:46.359 Calls up the agent, he says, and the guy says, well, 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.560 don't um. He says, you got our check. So I 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:51.920 got the check right here. Ricky is gonna deposited, you know, 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:53.879 and we know what we're gonna do with it. So 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.359 I knew that wasn't my forte. My forte was go 0:54:57.440 --> 0:54:59.320 out and make them money. I didn't want to manage 0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:02.719 their money, but I always kill them. You've gotta have 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.839 few money in your career, and it's gonna end. Your 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:08.719 career is gonna end. It's not show business. And even 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:12.480 in show business, you know you're gonna have to protect yourself. 0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:16.560 And so they all have done well. Okay to touch 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:20.359 with them all today. Okay. In sports, what was the 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:26.839 agents deal with the athlete? Financially? It was three and um, 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:29.120 you know you get three percent of the contract percent 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:31.759 on the merchandizing. And you know for years, you know, 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:35.399 I was William Marts and CIA who are now doing 0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:38.839 great with sports, they would never do those deals. Um, 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:41.560 they would never did sports. They never they never did 0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:43.640 because they didn't they said, how can we charge an 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.960 artist ten percent? And uh, how can we charge of 0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:49.960 ten percent and then charge a ballplayers represent until they 0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:51.960 woke up one day and said, there's a lot of 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:54.880 money in sports. There's a lot of money in sponsorship 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.080 and uh but yeah they no one was doing it. 0:55:58.120 --> 0:55:59.880 I was the only one doing at payment in sports. 0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:03.560 I didn't care. I liked it. There's also an issue 0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:07.600 with Sunset clauses and getting paid. What was your experience 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.320 with that? You know, you make a five year deal 0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:13.800 and you know, I don't know how your contract for structure, 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:16.520 but you have our problems getting paid or getting paid 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.719 on sunset clauses or anything like that. So I used 0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.839 to treat these ballplayers as artists, you know, I called 0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:26.040 them every day. I feel the relationship of many many 0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:29.320 athletes agents that you know, they would negotiate the contract 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:31.640 and then they wouldn't you know, talk to player three 0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:34.160 years later, and they were upsetting hundreds of guys. And 0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:37.800 that's the way the business was. I treated my my artists, 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:40.520 my athletes as artists because that's where I learned to 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:43.239 do it, you know, whether it's the castles or music act. 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:47.359 And so I really I never had a problem getting paid. Um. 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:49.279 But you know you you know when you got paid, 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:52.960 they paid to December. That's when they would write to 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:56.040 check out. So I had no cash flow and that 0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:58.600 was rich in December and I got stuck paying the taxes, 0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:01.040 you know. So that's why the entertainment business for me, 0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:05.400 I was doing this tours simultaneously. Now, having the tours, 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:09.120 having the music and the sports really helped. For For example, 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:13.000 when when Phil Simms, uh he was doing a speaking engagement, 0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:15.719 well to start with Luponella he was doing, I got 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:19.240 him an endorsement with members only, UM. The jackets. So 0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:21.800 then I said to the little I said, he speak 0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:24.360 to the president. I'm doing this tour with the turtles 0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:26.320 and the grassroots happening. He goes, I want to get 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:28.680 his corporate sponsor. So Lose says to the guy, Hey, 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:31.200 why don't you sponsor Glavias tour? What my tours called 0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:34.880 members only. I was the first one doing this. I 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:36.960 I went to Phil Sims and he was sitting next 0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:40.720 to the president of of Chunky Monkey for Chunky's uh 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:43.440 in the bisco whatever. No, that wasn't a bisco was 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:46.160 not hers. She's let's go. He was doing a personal 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:48.240 parents And I turned to sell I said, still asked 0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:50.400 the guy got the monkeys going out, maybe he can, 0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:54.360 you know, sponsor the tour, and Phil saying, my my agent, David, 0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:56.520 what he's doing the monkeys? I got? I thought I 0:57:56.560 --> 0:58:00.000 got tours sponsorship. Um, I was a ballplayers that got 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:02.120 had it. My favorite one is I was doing the 0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:04.800 American Gladias Live Tour and I was desperate to find 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:08.440 the corporates. My my business was the way I did 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:11.320 the tours was I find a corporate sponsor, then I 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:13.360 would create the tour. I would basic create the tour, 0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:16.080 find a corporate sponsor, then go to an agency like 0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:19.800 William Morris and CIA, and and then I would um, 0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:22.320 you know, and then and then I would UM. So 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.480 I had five revenues. I had the corporate of the 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:27.360 corporate sponsor to William R. City with book the date. 0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:30.360 I made money on the merchandise. I made money on 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:32.800 you know, you sound the lights, you staid an extra 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.160 because he's a charge on the contracts extra sound lights. 0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.680 And then there was already percentages. I would make money 0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:39.680 and that was my business model. And that's how I 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:44.560 created all these tours before Live Nation, before CIA and UM. 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:46.720 But it was the sports that brought me these deals. 0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:49.440 And UM, I never forget. I was doing the Sumeric 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:52.200 Gladia Tour and I was desperate to get a corporate 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:54.920 sponsor because you know, you need a sponsor to fund them. 0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:57.920 And UM, I got a call from Rock Road. He 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:00.680 was a sportscaster in New York, and he said, you know, 0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:03.680 we want to interview you for a sports show to 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:06.880 talk about the UM, to talk about Phil sims Is 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:10.280 having a UM. I think it was Bruner. He was 0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:14.600 another quarterback. Bill parcels Uh kicked the other quarterback and 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:16.320 he says, will you go on? And I never went 0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:18.920 on the air talk sports because you know, what do 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:23.360 I know about sports compared to these players? And I said, 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:26.080 I'll do it because about one condition that you asked 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:28.919 me about. You know, you asked me about my Merk 0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:31.760 Gloody and Live tour. So I showed up to the 0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:35.360 studio and I see the last question. It says, if 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:38.720 there's time on the on the on the monitor asked 0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:41.360 him about us the Berke Glady Live Tour, and so 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:44.040 he helpened up the show itself. I guess the David 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:46.640 Fish talking about the quarterback controversy here in New York, 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:49.840 and uh David to tell us about the controversy. And 0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:52.080 I turned to the guy and I said, Rock, I 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:54.240 said this, it's no difference in the Merk Bloody and 0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:57.520 Live tour that I'm doing this summer. And I'm telling 0:59:57.520 --> 1:00:00.680 you you got Phil Sims going against up Bruner and 1:00:00.720 --> 1:00:03.600 there and they want to win the and who's gonna 1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:05.800 be the number one quarterback? And by the way, I'm 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:09.080 looking for a sponsor. The next day, a guy calls 1:00:09.120 --> 1:00:11.320 he from seven eleven. I heard you on the sports 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:13.800 show last night, and he says, I want to buy 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:15.560 this and he took me on and he said, I'm 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:17.520 gonna buy it from a Coca Cola buy for me. 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:27.240 And that's how I got corporate sponsorship. How did you 1:00:27.240 --> 1:00:30.560 get out of sports? So by the time I was 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:33.840 I was doing the Monkeys and that was six and 1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:36.640 it was great, and I kept doing it. Um, I 1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:38.760 got out of sports. I guess when when I did? 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:41.960 Still since this contract as a broadcaster, um, and then 1:00:42.000 --> 1:00:44.520 most of my players started to retire and they quit. 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:47.800 You know, I um barbaro and I did. I did 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:50.440 lose a lot of contract when Cincinnati read, but it 1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:54.120 was just too much, you know. And you know I 1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:56.880 cared about I care about the guy. I care about 1:00:56.880 --> 1:00:59.440 all my clients. And you know, the other day I 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:02.040 was having a year ago, I was having lunch with 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:05.840 Tom Consolo, the great manager say Hagarn, and we were 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:08.760 talking about, um, you know, the old days, how it 1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:11.920 was and when we were you know, we were there, 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:14.960 but we weren't there our family life and and you 1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:17.600 know he said and wronged me. I was never there 1:01:17.680 --> 1:01:20.320 growing up with my kids earlier. I mean, I don't 1:01:20.320 --> 1:01:23.280 feel guilty, but I was always worried about this client. 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:26.480 And that client, and so you know, it was it 1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:28.360 was skinning a lot. I was a lot of ballplayers, 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.920 so I started so too. Once once my players retired, Um, 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:35.200 then I was gonna, you know, staying Nio entertainment full time. 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:37.760 And I was single, and I just just it was 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:40.600 it was the time for me to leave. And and uh, 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:42.400 I didn't want to recruit these young kids. I didn't 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:47.480 relate to the young kids anymore. And so I was 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:49.160 basically it and I thought, you know, let me just 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:53.120 do entertainment. Okay, can you delegate or do you have 1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:58.360 to do it. I tried to delegate, and you know, 1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:01.640 it's hard, and they it's hard to delegate. I'm doing 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:04.800 it now with with Britt and she's great. Um, I 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:08.480 gotta find some good people. And you know there's no question, Uh, 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:11.080 this rock camp is is really gonna get big. I 1:02:11.080 --> 1:02:14.320 think the film, I'm seeing what's happening, and I gotta 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:16.640 find some people. I gotta find an organization to partner with. 1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:19.800 I gotta find somebody that, um that I could trust 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:21.640 that I can. You know, when I did that Dirty 1:02:21.720 --> 1:02:24.120 Dancy tool it Denni's our front. We were partners. That 1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:27.120 was incredible. Bob. You know, I had a partner that 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:29.520 that we were twenty four seven done. It's a hard worker. 1:02:29.600 --> 1:02:30.960 We we've made a lot of money and we have 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:33.600 fun doing it. So I really want to find somebody 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:36.480 that that can really work with me, and we'll just 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:38.320 willing to do the touring because I want to put 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:41.640 rock Camp back on the road. Let's say I say 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:46.320 tomorrow we're gonna take your phone away. You can stay 1:02:46.320 --> 1:02:49.000 in your house. Your family is going to be out 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:54.440 on vacation. Is that torture or is that Godhead? It's torture. 1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:57.880 I like to be around the kids, you know. I 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:00.560 love being around the family, and and you know, well, 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.720 let's make it more about business. Are you the type 1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:05.240 person who makes a hundred phone calls a day? Or 1:03:05.280 --> 1:03:06.960 are you the type person of God? I don't want 1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:09.560 to talk to him. No, I like to work. I 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:12.120 like to work. You know I wanted, but I'm not 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:15.640 talking about work. I guess. Are you don't really a 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:19.080 people person? You only thrive when you're interacting with people? 1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:22.520 Yes or no? Yes? Yes totally. I love people. I 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:28.640 love talented people. I love people. Um yeah, I need people. Okay, monkeys? 1:03:28.760 --> 1:03:33.760 Why so in n six. I I'm you know, I'm 1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:36.480 staying in a hotel and in Kansas City, and the 1:03:36.560 --> 1:03:39.440 phone and I was in this room at two o'clock 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:41.800 from when I couldn't sleep and the Monkey TV show 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:45.600 comes on and I said, wow, that's the show I remember, 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:49.040 and I remember the monkeys because that was able to 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:51.280 show my parents let me watch on television. You know, 1:03:51.360 --> 1:03:53.960 my dad was direct and they didn't want me to 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:57.920 watching the garment. They call it the direct. Do you 1:03:58.000 --> 1:04:02.880 have the word direct? What are your doing? So they wouldn't. 1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:04.600 They only show that, let me watch for the monkeys. 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:08.360 So now I decided to call up. I checked out 1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:12.280 Peter Torque, he's teaching, he's teaching music lessons and I 1:04:12.360 --> 1:04:14.360 was look at card teacher on the west side. So 1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:17.600 I invited to come to my to Ron Delsis show 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:19.720 that we were doing at the Pier and he's sitting 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:21.680 at the side of the stage and I said him, 1:04:21.840 --> 1:04:24.720 I said, um, Peter, this is what I'm doing. I'd 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:28.320 love to put the monkeys back together. So he tells me, um, 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:30.760 he comes to show and he's loving and he's tapping 1:04:30.800 --> 1:04:32.800 and seeing. And then the next morning we got together 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:35.040 and I said, hate me to meet. Can I meet 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.280 the other guys he's out taking anyone. Let's go meet 1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:41.280 Mickey and let's go meet dating. So it's nineteen eighties, 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:46.080 six eighty five, eighty five, and so I find out 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:49.000 first of all that they don't own the name the Monkeys. 1:04:49.040 --> 1:04:51.720 I didn't know that. Um. So I had to go 1:04:51.760 --> 1:04:55.080 to Columbia Pictures and I had to get the name 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:59.680 for the name the Monkeys. So I call up the 1:04:59.720 --> 1:05:01.400 guy the West Coast and he says to me, you 1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:04.120 gotta call this guy in New York Licensing Department day 1:05:04.120 --> 1:05:06.640 on the day they control the monkeys, and said, okay. 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:09.440 So I called the guy up and he says, to 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:13.160 the fish, up, take me to a take me to 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:15.840 a baseball game. He says, uh, I know who you are, 1:05:15.920 --> 1:05:17.479 and I want to I want to go to a Yankee. 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:19.840 So I take them to a Yankee game. I call 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:22.160 up lou and I said, Luke, I said, I'm bringing 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:23.760 you guys. Will call me a pictures. Can you give 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:26.040 a baseball bat and the ball inside the ball before 1:05:26.080 --> 1:05:28.800 he's a strugging, no problem. I bring the guy to 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:31.800 the game and I bring him on the field and 1:05:31.840 --> 1:05:34.600 all of a sudden Reggie Jackson and fucking Dent and 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:37.600 all these players are coming over to me, heaving me 1:05:37.760 --> 1:05:42.040 baseballs and signed baseballs and baseball globs. And I needed 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:44.000 garbage back to put all this stuff in there for 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:47.520 the guy. So um, I said to Bobby Mercer was 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:50.960 my client, and said, Bobby, tell me what what's going 1:05:51.000 --> 1:05:52.960 on here? Why are all these guys coming on with me? Said? Well, 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:54.720 Lou got up at the in the in the club 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:57.640 bounces that are my agents, fish offers come with the project, 1:05:57.680 --> 1:06:02.920 probably of pictures, and and I gart so go to 1:06:03.000 --> 1:06:05.240 him and his friend, and all these guys came over. 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:06.840 They all want to be a show business, you know. 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:09.640 And uh so this guy was like blown away. We 1:06:09.720 --> 1:06:12.000 said the game and I turned him and I said, 1:06:12.040 --> 1:06:13.720 I want to buy the name the Monkeys. Let's want 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:15.840 to rent it for a year. And he said, David, 1:06:15.920 --> 1:06:18.840 no one's used the name in twenty years. He says, 1:06:18.960 --> 1:06:20.520 what do you want to give me? I said, you know, 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:23.400 give me five thous and and you know you can 1:06:23.400 --> 1:06:25.600 have the name. So my bird, and that was just then. 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:28.520 I've put the other tour the Monkeys that that's gonna 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:31.840 be my third Halfit together to the monkeys, the hermit Hermits, 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:35.320 the grassroots and Gary Puckett and the Unique Gap and 1:06:35.320 --> 1:06:37.080 I'll sill be my package and I'm gonna put it 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:41.200 out that summer. Unbeknownst to me, I'm in seventeen seventy five. Broadly, 1:06:41.440 --> 1:06:45.080 I'm sharing office space with Gary Curfiss, the lake Gary 1:06:45.160 --> 1:06:48.680 curves in front of me. I have um Blondie's walking 1:06:48.720 --> 1:06:51.360 by my office all day, and I'm seeing the Ramones 1:06:51.560 --> 1:06:53.760 the B fifty because the other side of the office 1:06:53.840 --> 1:06:58.160 was was Chef Chef Gordon was up there. We're all 1:06:58.200 --> 1:07:01.360 in this guy Bert Fidel's office and um, you know 1:07:02.200 --> 1:07:04.640 what did they meet? Loost managers were there. Everybody was 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:08.480 up in that office, and m I'm on the seventies 1:07:08.480 --> 1:07:10.800 seventy five, so I'm going up and down the elevators 1:07:10.800 --> 1:07:13.360 of Bob Pittman and Tom Freston. And now you know 1:07:13.520 --> 1:07:16.160 these days since since wasn't playing as great, you know 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:19.200 those before a six, you know, so people walk around 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:21.000 the street. They would see me with my jamaica. They 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:24.000 even said that sins. You know, we lost the bet. 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:26.240 You know, people were nasty in New York, you know, 1:07:27.000 --> 1:07:30.480 so all of a sudden, a gentleman calls up from 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:33.160 Billboard back and he says, did you hear the MTV 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:35.960 is gonna be airy twenty four hours the Monkeys? And 1:07:36.040 --> 1:07:39.200 I said no, And I said, well, I'm gonna go 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:41.600 up stairs. I run up stairs to Bob Pittman's office 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:44.320 and I said, Mr Pittman, Hi, I'm David Fishing. We 1:07:44.320 --> 1:07:45.920 always see each other the ell you have the sports 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:48.320 stag and sit down. How can I help you? I said, well, 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:51.200 I'm doing the Monkeys as a summer tour. He's not 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:53.280 telling you the sports. I said, I do sports, but 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:55.320 I'm I'm doing the Monkey, said I do this package. 1:07:55.800 --> 1:07:58.320 He's I'll make a deal with your kids. He says, uh, 1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:03.280 you you mentioned my new fledging network, MTV in all 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:07.200 your ads as seen on MTV, and I'm gonna promote 1:08:07.200 --> 1:08:10.960 you on television and you know and and TV. That's 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:15.440 a great He announces my tours. I go on sale 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:18.080 and I was selling at the time three thousand seeds 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:20.400 to Happen together tours. We do the nether Lands, all 1:08:20.400 --> 1:08:23.760 the Empithuds. We're gonna sell in Chicago, Pine Pine, and 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:27.240 we do pineab in Detroit, Possla Creek. I still have 1:08:27.720 --> 1:08:31.760 h twenty eight thousand tickets in in Chicago. Can you 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:35.200 imagine I'm going for one year doing three thousands, twenty 1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:39.920 eight thousands Pineab We saw two Pineabs. We sell out 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:43.880 sixteen thousand night there. We sell out Texas Stadium, We 1:08:43.960 --> 1:08:47.120 sell out everywhere. It's this is crazy. It's all these 1:08:47.120 --> 1:08:49.760 little girls coming home and the and the mothers said, 1:08:49.840 --> 1:08:52.679 where were you all night? Mommy? I was in live 1:08:52.760 --> 1:08:55.080 buying monkey tickets. What do you mean I want to go? 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:57.720 So these girls didn't know that the Monkeys are an 1:08:57.720 --> 1:09:01.759 all band. So the mothers came and they bought tickets 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:04.760 for the first fifty rows with the Monkeys. Well, it 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:07.840 was incredible. It was so over my head. But I, 1:09:08.200 --> 1:09:10.520 you know, I lucked out. I was paying them salaries. 1:09:11.080 --> 1:09:16.320 I put him in busses. Um, and then I eventually, um, 1:09:16.360 --> 1:09:18.920 you know, we became we made a partnership when my 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:20.960 contract was over. Then I booked them in that the 1:09:20.960 --> 1:09:24.519 following tour. And how about Ringo? How do you uh 1:09:24.640 --> 1:09:27.720 come up with you all star band tours? So um, 1:09:28.040 --> 1:09:30.120 then after I did Dirty Dancing, I did that as 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:33.160 a live tour, and um, the president of PEPSI came 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:35.680 to me and he said, you know, we love what 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:38.960 you do, and um, we want to sponsor the next tour. 1:09:39.240 --> 1:09:42.080 It's the twenty fifth Anniversary's Gunny malapottas she came up 1:09:42.080 --> 1:09:45.080 with the Pepsi generation. So he said to me, uh, 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:48.479 we want to sponsor your next tour and um, so 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:50.760 come up with some ideas. And I went back to 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:52.960 him with the idea of I have an idea to 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:55.320 ring on the All Star band and uh, he's what 1:09:55.360 --> 1:09:56.960 do you want? And so I want a million dollars 1:09:57.000 --> 1:10:01.080 and he said, um, he said, uh, a million dollars. Okay, 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:02.640 I'll make a deal with you. I'll give you a 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:05.080 million dollars to spots to you next tour, but I 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:07.800 want to make the next million and uh and then 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:10.559 we'll do fifty fifty yes, okay. I don't offer a 1:10:10.560 --> 1:10:12.280 million dollars in my hands. And that's why I wrote 1:10:12.280 --> 1:10:14.360 the Rainbow Star and I said, I have an offer 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:17.599 for a million dollars. What you do the tour and 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:19.439 do a tour? It was All Star band. And I 1:10:19.479 --> 1:10:22.040 went over there and I got to meet him and uh, 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:24.640 Rose Lawyer a letter and says come on over. I 1:10:24.720 --> 1:10:26.920 go over to England and back in those days didn't 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:29.120 have cell phones. And I remember taking all my Beatle 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:31.240 books with me reading it. And he didn't tell me 1:10:31.280 --> 1:10:33.200 when he's gonna when I'm gonna get in there, said, 1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:35.400 you're doing in there once, you know, for one of 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:37.519 these days, I'll call you in your room and you'll come. 1:10:37.600 --> 1:10:39.840 I never left my room and I'm reading all these 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:42.760 Beetle books. I've only got a call Friday morning to 1:10:42.880 --> 1:10:45.559 come to his office. And I went to those office 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:47.760 and I um pitched him on the idea. I walked 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:50.360 in with a radio commercial, you know, one those spots 1:10:50.479 --> 1:10:52.599 It's coming love. I've been concert, you know. I wanted 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:55.640 him to see what my vision was. I brought an 1:10:55.680 --> 1:10:58.360 ad and uh he turned to it and I was 1:10:58.400 --> 1:11:00.439 thinking the same thing and he was he was thinking 1:11:00.479 --> 1:11:03.360 the same thing, and so uh, that's how I came 1:11:03.439 --> 1:11:05.840 up with the idea, and we we made a deal. 1:11:05.920 --> 1:11:09.400 And what was more entice? What closed the deal? He 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:11.439 hadn't been on the road for all. Was it being 1:11:11.520 --> 1:11:14.720 on the road and playing or was it the money? No, 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:16.519 I don't think it was the money. I think it 1:11:16.600 --> 1:11:18.519 was I think because they have to pay all those 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:22.040 taxes in England. I think the money made it real 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:26.080 to him that I'm gonna guarantee the money naturally, you know, 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:28.280 I don't think it was to him as emplawyer and 1:11:28.400 --> 1:11:31.599 business manager. The money, you know, the money money shows love, 1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:34.640 you know, so it should. You know how many of 1:11:34.640 --> 1:11:37.040 these artists today they really need the money. You're paying 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:39.400 the money, but many of them, you know, they want 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:41.439 the money, but I think the money it types them 1:11:41.439 --> 1:11:43.720 that I was real, you know, I bet you. So 1:11:43.760 --> 1:11:46.240 many people contact and said, hey, I want to manage 1:11:46.280 --> 1:11:48.800 you and come on the road, and you'll make this 1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:50.439 and make that. You know, you put a check in 1:11:50.439 --> 1:11:53.639 front of someone's face, it makes a big difference. So um, 1:11:53.840 --> 1:11:57.400 I offered him the million dollars, and the million dollars 1:11:57.479 --> 1:12:00.400 was net to him, notting. I know, I took my million. 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:01.960 That was my idea, and I said, I'm going to 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:05.000 give it to him, and then I'll whatever i make 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:08.400 on the tour. Um you know, I'll get my paid. 1:12:08.400 --> 1:12:10.240 I'll get paid. I'll get paid, you know. That was 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:13.519 the Positively. The deal with Pepsi was fifty fifty on 1:12:13.560 --> 1:12:16.519 the profit. So the current I took that advance that 1:12:16.520 --> 1:12:21.400 I got from Pepsi, and I gave that toringdo and so, 1:12:21.600 --> 1:12:24.120 and then then came by. I wrote names of bands 1:12:24.160 --> 1:12:26.840 of you know, band members. I did some reason a 1:12:26.840 --> 1:12:30.439 couple of things slowly. Sure he was a million dollars 1:12:30.479 --> 1:12:32.720 as much as Ringo was gonna make or was there 1:12:32.720 --> 1:12:35.759 any upside for window? Well, in the end he wanted 1:12:35.760 --> 1:12:37.840 more money and I gave him. I to give him 1:12:37.840 --> 1:12:40.559 more money, and um, and I guaranteed a certain amount 1:12:40.600 --> 1:12:42.719 of shows. You know, I think I remember how many shows? 1:12:42.760 --> 1:12:45.680 Was twenty five shows? And um, you know it was 1:12:45.680 --> 1:12:49.200 twenty five shows at the time, and um, but I 1:12:49.200 --> 1:12:52.680 think there was I remember what the concept of the 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:57.360 all star band that was totally yours. It was my idea. 1:12:57.720 --> 1:13:00.800 And Ringo said to me that morning, I was thinking 1:13:00.800 --> 1:13:03.040 the same thing, and how did you come up with 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:06.920 that idea? Okay, so my brother, My brother was a 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:11.439 drummer and he idolized range Star and uh, I was Bob. 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:14.280 I wake up every morning thinking of the new idea. 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:17.640 I can't you know. I go through these books, these 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:21.400 Billboard books. I look for talent. I'm always thinking. My 1:13:21.439 --> 1:13:23.639 brain does style. So I love rock Wall Fantasy Camp. 1:13:23.680 --> 1:13:25.920 Every day. It keeps me. Hey, let me call Abby 1:13:26.000 --> 1:13:28.640 Rode Studios. Let's do a camp there. Let's you know, 1:13:28.680 --> 1:13:31.720 I'm always thinking. I'm always thinking. And you know, the 1:13:31.720 --> 1:13:34.840 minute I stopped thinking, stuffy passion, I quick. But you know, 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:38.519 so I like these package tours and and to and 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:40.920 to get when you get a company like PEPs, he says, 1:13:40.960 --> 1:13:43.720 we love what you're doing. You use Mountain dew and um, 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:47.280 you know it gives you validation, validation that you know 1:13:47.320 --> 1:13:51.280 what you're doing. So, um, I was motivated. And uh 1:13:51.800 --> 1:13:54.880 he hadn't been on the road. And and I was 1:13:54.920 --> 1:13:57.120 a big Stan by the way, I loved Yellow Submarine 1:13:57.240 --> 1:13:59.280 and all my friends, they were my favorite. So for 1:13:59.400 --> 1:14:01.679 my bro Joe, he was the drummer. He had alized 1:14:01.720 --> 1:14:04.519 rain Go, So you know, Joey was my incentive. And 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:08.839 uh so that was it. And how did you decide 1:14:08.840 --> 1:14:11.800 on the other members of the band. So the other 1:14:11.880 --> 1:14:14.400 members of the band. I gave my ideas. But then 1:14:14.479 --> 1:14:17.320 he decided when he saw that this is gonna be real, 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:20.280 he called up Joe Walsh and he said we could 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:23.400 join my band. He called lev On Helm, he called 1:14:23.479 --> 1:14:27.759 rit Rick Danko, Um, I think he called I called Mills, 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:31.000 I called Clarence. You know, I made my list and 1:14:31.080 --> 1:14:34.200 you know, Billy Preston and together we put it together 1:14:34.320 --> 1:14:37.040 and and it was brilliant. It was it was it 1:14:37.120 --> 1:14:39.720 was really it was so much. So was magic. It 1:14:39.800 --> 1:14:42.559 was really magic that that that tour, and that was 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:46.160 that was the tour. That was that was the magical tour. Okay, 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:49.360 you know as well as I that as well as 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:53.960 me that, Uh, people get star struck. So you're in 1:14:54.000 --> 1:14:58.160 the room with Ringo. Are you star struck? Are you nervous? 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:00.880 Or he's just another guy? You and me both. No, 1:15:01.120 --> 1:15:03.519 you can't be a fan that turns them off. But 1:15:03.640 --> 1:15:06.960 what's going on through your head? I was never a fan, 1:15:07.080 --> 1:15:08.600 you know. I was a fan of the Monkeys, you know, 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:14.160 but I realized once I met people, I would be disappointed. So, um, 1:15:14.200 --> 1:15:16.400 I was a Neil Diamond fan. You know. I grew 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:19.160 up and if you see that movie the the Jazz 1:15:19.160 --> 1:15:22.479 Singer and uh, you know I saw thirty times. I 1:15:22.600 --> 1:15:24.920 fly down to Florida first class and fly him coach 1:15:24.920 --> 1:15:26.960 because I come wanting to watch that. Still that's my story. 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:29.800 You know. I'm a cantus on. I do pray to 1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:33.000 high holidays. My dad got sick and and then I 1:15:33.040 --> 1:15:35.960 cut the meat. Neil Diamond. I walked into the deli. 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:38.360 He was sitting there with Larry King at uh what 1:15:38.560 --> 1:15:41.639 was that deli? Umh ny? Now I walked to name 1:15:41.640 --> 1:15:45.040 how every morning Larry King had breakfast Larry King and 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:47.320 then Neil Diamond and I sat down next to him, 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:50.160 and I like, I was mesmerized. And I realized the minute, 1:15:50.439 --> 1:15:54.519 you know, you know, it just I he was the 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:57.040 only guy that I was really mesmerized to meet one day. 1:15:57.080 --> 1:16:00.360 And then I got disappointed. So no, I wasn't um 1:16:01.479 --> 1:16:04.719 with me. It's not it's not mesmerized by these people. 1:16:04.800 --> 1:16:08.040 I just respect their counts. And I said, I can't 1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:10.439 get on stage and do that. And no, I'm not 1:16:10.520 --> 1:16:13.439 really MESMERI right, but I am. Listen Bringo star, no 1:16:13.600 --> 1:16:17.080 question about it, you know. I mean it's a beatle 1:16:17.240 --> 1:16:19.680 and I can see the way people reacted, and there 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:23.080 the questions that people ask the all day. Um. But 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:25.080 you know, they all put their feet and they put 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:27.639 their clothes on the same way, and they're more talented 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:30.760 that way. But I've never start stuff. Okay, all of 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:32.439 us have met it, you know, in the bus met 1:16:32.479 --> 1:16:36.080 a lot of people. Hey, is there anybody you haven't 1:16:36.120 --> 1:16:41.160 met who you would like to meet be anybody above 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:44.200 and beyond. I mean it's like Steven Tyler. Okay, he's 1:16:44.200 --> 1:16:47.000 Steven Tyler in real life. He's not only that guy 1:16:47.040 --> 1:16:49.680 on stage. And it's very because mostly people it's two 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:52.360 different people. He really lives up to the image. So 1:16:52.439 --> 1:16:54.559 is there anybody you haven't met or a couple of 1:16:54.560 --> 1:16:58.400 people go wow? I mean what inexperience? You know. I 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:01.680 gotta tell you. The interesting thing is the English I can. 1:17:01.680 --> 1:17:03.880 I want to tell you share to the difference between 1:17:03.920 --> 1:17:07.479 the English stars and the and the American rock stars. 1:17:07.840 --> 1:17:11.240 The the English stars, it's a business. Bill Wyman, I'm 1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:14.040 going to work. Roger Dolph, I'm gonna work. Nick Jagger, 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:16.680 I'm gonna work. This is a job. Their fathers were 1:17:16.760 --> 1:17:19.560 labors and they go to be a rock stars is 1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:22.559 a job. The American guys they want to be, you know, 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:24.640 they think they have to leave that crazy life. So 1:17:24.720 --> 1:17:28.880 it's really a difference. Am I mesmerized? I'm not mesmerized 1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:32.280 as much as I'm m I'm not star struck, but 1:17:32.320 --> 1:17:35.639 I do respect to be in the presence of Roger Daltrey. 1:17:35.720 --> 1:17:38.519 I mean, I love him. I think that what he 1:17:38.720 --> 1:17:40.800 did get on that stage and do what they do. 1:17:41.520 --> 1:17:44.719 Um or the or the songs that they people have written. 1:17:45.280 --> 1:17:47.479 You know, I just respect them. That's so I love camp. 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:49.559 I get to meet all these great people. But some 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:53.240 people I wish I didn't me. Okay, So you keep 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:56.960 mentioning Roger Daltrey. You know there's business friends and they're 1:17:57.040 --> 1:18:00.759 real friends. Are any of these musicians you real friends? 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:03.559 He would talk about you know what happened this day? 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:07.360 You'd call in between camps? Or is it really business 1:18:07.400 --> 1:18:11.160 with all these people? Well, it's always business. It's all business. 1:18:11.240 --> 1:18:14.120 But I have to tell you when a nine eleven happened. 1:18:14.120 --> 1:18:16.320 I'm in New York. My first phone call came from 1:18:16.400 --> 1:18:20.960 Roger Doltree. How's your family? So? He, to me is 1:18:21.000 --> 1:18:23.760 a real friend. And we've had you know, listen, we've 1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:27.480 had huge fights, him and I. You know, we've had disagreements. 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:31.439 Um and I remember writing him a long letter because 1:18:31.479 --> 1:18:35.040 I was upset at him. Um. No, most you know, 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:39.520 I would say, it's all business with most people, but um, Rogers, 1:18:39.560 --> 1:18:41.360 he's just different than all of them. You know, he 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:44.120 calls me after a camp, How was that? How was 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:46.719 that guy? How did he enjoy it? He? Yeah, he's 1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:50.640 he's got a different heart than all of them. Okay, 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:53.960 so why did you decide to make the movie The 1:18:54.080 --> 1:18:59.080 Rock Camp Moving? So I decided to do it because, Um, 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:02.680 Jeff Broke approached me from UM who was you know 1:19:02.760 --> 1:19:05.280 rand Randy h One for a while and and he 1:19:05.360 --> 1:19:08.559 was he He approached me and he said, um, you know, 1:19:08.600 --> 1:19:10.200 he came to see the camps. So we hadn't seen 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:11.840 each other a long time. He went to work with 1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:14.200 um Bob Pittman a O L. And he went to 1:19:14.200 --> 1:19:16.960 the NBC and and he can't see the camp. He see, 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:20.599 you know, you should do this as a film, And 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:22.840 I I said, on one condition, I don't want to 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:25.120 be in the film. I said, I don't want to 1:19:25.120 --> 1:19:26.639 have anything to do with it. I said, you talked 1:19:26.640 --> 1:19:28.599 about the rock cards of the people. You know. It's 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:30.519 one thing I did learn from Ringko. Every time I 1:19:30.560 --> 1:19:32.479 go to him with an interview, he said, oh, give 1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:35.519 it to Nils, give it to Billy Preston. He always 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:37.080 wanted to give it to everybody else. He wanted it 1:19:37.120 --> 1:19:40.679 to be a band decision. And last thing I needed 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:43.720 was more publicity. Um, you know, I got kids. I 1:19:43.720 --> 1:19:46.360 want to marry a moha, I got grandkids and the 1:19:46.439 --> 1:19:50.120 last thing I needed more publicity and and um But 1:19:50.680 --> 1:19:52.559 what happened was that they all came back and they 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:54.839 wanted me to be in it and tell the story. 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:58.040 So I said, okay, I'll do this. And what what 1:19:58.160 --> 1:20:01.639 really motivated me to do it was yeah, many times, Bob, 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:04.280 do you go to a film and you see the trailer, 1:20:04.439 --> 1:20:06.720 You see the trailer and you love the trailer, and 1:20:06.720 --> 1:20:10.320 then obviously you see the film and you're so disappointed. Um. 1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:12.200 Or you go to a concert and how many trying 1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:14.439 to go to a concert and an artist starts playing 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:18.880 his new music. I can't stand that. But I felt 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:21.479 I can never tell the story about this rock camp 1:20:21.560 --> 1:20:24.439 and it's frustrating. It to a thirty minute commercial, one 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:26.679 minute curse. But the magic is once to go into 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:29.439 those you go into that into that magical for four 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:32.160 and eights of rock camp and it's totally different. So 1:20:32.200 --> 1:20:35.080 that's why I wanted to show us for the film. 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:38.400 I want to show you how credible your friend Jene 1:20:38.439 --> 1:20:40.880 Simmons is that he comes to a camp. You know 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:43.920 that we could have a long conversation. But but but 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:47.679 before we yet the gene when was the movie idea hatched? 1:20:47.880 --> 1:20:49.920 How much did it cost and who paid for it? 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:53.439 Five years ago? It was hatched five six years ago. 1:20:53.840 --> 1:20:56.800 It was funded by Campers. I went and raised money, 1:20:57.360 --> 1:21:00.040 UM and Jonah, Jeff Campers, you know, the best of 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:04.120 the money in it and cost over a million dollars. UM. 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:06.600 It wasn't supposed to cost that. I'll never make a 1:21:06.640 --> 1:21:12.680 film again, UM, but it was. You know, basically, it 1:21:12.760 --> 1:21:16.880 was very expensive, UM because it needed creatitors. Jeff didn't 1:21:16.880 --> 1:21:19.840 take a penny until its UM. The artist all did 1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:22.479 it for me. UM, and they were great in the 1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:27.280 film and m but I'm hoping that we're gonna you look, 1:21:27.520 --> 1:21:29.960 here's the biggest problem with rock Camp. Do you know 1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:33.120 people scared to come? So you know, yeah, you have 1:21:33.280 --> 1:21:36.800 you advertised Jeff Beck and I lost forty grands. How 1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:38.840 can you lose money? I have the greatest guitar player 1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:41.800 in the world there because everyone, you know, they're they're 1:21:41.840 --> 1:21:44.640 afraid to come. I'm not Jemmy with Jeff Beck and 1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:49.240 they're they're scared. So that's the je is the best ever. 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:52.599 But I want to acknowledge that. But let's go back. 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:55.000 What was your goal in making the film? Was it 1:21:55.080 --> 1:21:57.680 more of an advertisement to spread the word or did 1:21:57.720 --> 1:22:00.679 you want to make money? I want to make money. 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:02.400 I I wanted to show what it went done. I 1:22:02.400 --> 1:22:04.240 want to show how people say. Well, I really want 1:22:04.280 --> 1:22:07.479 to show that at any age, you could take any idea. 1:22:07.520 --> 1:22:09.000 You want to be a musician, you want to write 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:11.320 a book, you want to create an app. I wanted 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.680 it to be to any age people could see a 1:22:13.800 --> 1:22:17.640 thirty years old that it's not too late to do 1:22:17.800 --> 1:22:21.120 relive your dream. And um, that's really why why I 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:24.599 wanted the film made. So Okay, the film comes out 1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:28.040 on v O Day, it's plays theaters, but we're in COVID. 1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:31.800 Hey why did you release it at this particular time? 1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:35.840 B Did you think about making a deal with Amazon 1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:38.200 or Netflix so that people didn't have to pay for 1:22:38.360 --> 1:22:41.720 or maybe that's coming. I don't know. Okay, so we 1:22:41.800 --> 1:22:44.640 released Typicals. We finally finished it, and uh and we 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:47.000 had to. We wanted to get it out and uh 1:22:47.080 --> 1:22:48.439 and I think it's a great time to get the 1:22:48.439 --> 1:22:51.360 film out because you know, the country needs It's unlike 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:53.800 any other you know, it's not a film like like 1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:56.080 behind the music. You know, band makes it big and 1:22:56.120 --> 1:22:57.960 then they build all their money and then they go 1:22:58.000 --> 1:23:00.920 back again. So it's not one of those didn't want 1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:04.559 to make that kind of film. Um. I didn't getting 1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:07.679 interest in the beginning for Netflix or Amazon that would 1:23:07.680 --> 1:23:10.519 have paid from enough for the film. And um, you know, 1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:13.720 I we went to Netflix, but they weren't buying at 1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:16.240 the time. And and I tell you and I also 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:19.560 thought about Amazon about Netflix is here. I saw the 1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:22.800 Bruce Spring scene UM film on Broadway. It was great, 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:25.320 but you saw that they promoted for two days, three 1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:28.479 days and minutes over here I can I got to 1:23:28.520 --> 1:23:32.440 go with the movie theaters. I got critics to see it. Um, 1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:35.840 I'm ninety two on Rotten Tomatoes. Um, and now gonna 1:23:35.880 --> 1:23:37.439 go v O D is gonna go to Apple and 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:40.760 the February sixties and Amazon and then and I didn't 1:23:40.760 --> 1:23:42.799 release it around the world yet, just here in America, 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:45.120 and then slowly I want to roll it out because 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:47.840 I want to do camps in England and South America 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:50.760 and in Japan and Australia. I want to take this 1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:53.240 thing globally. So I wanted to go slowly with it 1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:57.439 and see the reaction. And so it's been. It's it's 1:23:57.520 --> 1:24:00.439 quite interesting, a new world for me, it's a new world. 1:24:00.560 --> 1:24:03.200 On a business perspective, I thought it was a great 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:07.880 streaming flick for one of the platforms, primarily Netflix. I 1:24:07.920 --> 1:24:10.320 look at the Motley Crew film, which was sort of 1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:12.360 a cartoon. I'm not the biggest Crew fan, but I 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:16.280 enjoyed the film and word spreads. Of course. The best 1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:19.360 example of this was in the eighties with Eddie and 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:22.040 the Cruisers. Was middling film in the theaters and it 1:24:22.040 --> 1:24:27.280 played on HBO. Blew up, Well that's hoping is gonna happen? Yeah, okay, 1:24:27.479 --> 1:24:30.840 let's go back. You said you had sixteen paying customers 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:34.400 at the first Rock camp. Needless to say, you lost money. 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:38.880 You're regrouped, and you said what So I okay, So 1:24:39.200 --> 1:24:41.880 I did that camp and get all this press media 1:24:41.960 --> 1:24:45.080 comes out and I found an investor for the first 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:47.559 time right away. He didn't want to do it. And 1:24:47.600 --> 1:24:50.200 I'm at the Pulse Star convention in the year two 1:24:50.280 --> 1:24:53.760 thousand and they're playing a game who Wants to Be 1:24:53.960 --> 1:24:57.800 a Millionaire? With Tommy Lee, Tommy Shaw, and Sammy Hagar. 1:24:57.840 --> 1:24:59.760 I think that was the three are up there and 1:24:59.760 --> 1:25:02.719 it here at the right across street on Hollywood Highland 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:06.400 at Hotel and they're asking. One of the questions was 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:09.920 who created rock and roll Fence Camp. David Bowie, David Byrne, 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:12.519 David Fishop, and I think it was Tommy Show, Sam 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:16.400 Diego yells up David Fishop. I said, these guys remember 1:25:16.439 --> 1:25:19.240 that camp I did, and I've done it four years ago. 1:25:19.800 --> 1:25:21.559 And all of a sudden, then I got a call 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:24.040 from Eric Sherman, who was running bach on Classic, and 1:25:24.080 --> 1:25:26.559 he said, you know, we'd love to do that camp. 1:25:26.600 --> 1:25:28.960 We we got, we really want to, you know, get 1:25:29.000 --> 1:25:32.400 behind you on it and we'll run commercials. So that's 1:25:32.400 --> 1:25:35.040 when I decide do it again. I I called up 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:38.120 Brett Michaels. I think I know where I met Brett, 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:40.320 but I meant. And then George Starroger came to a 1:25:40.400 --> 1:25:42.880 Ringo show. I called these people that I met at 1:25:42.960 --> 1:25:46.880 Root Ringdow shows, um and uh called these artists uff 1:25:46.920 --> 1:25:49.000 to come in and I said, hey, would you do 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:51.120 my rock roll Fence Camp. I'm gonna do it. Do 1:25:51.160 --> 1:25:53.360 it here in l A. And I did a S 1:25:53.439 --> 1:25:56.439 I R and and they came, and you know, Brett 1:25:56.479 --> 1:26:00.679 was great, and people came. I advertised it. I did, Okay, 1:26:00.960 --> 1:26:03.439 that's vatro Coxey. They gave me ads. It was great. 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:06.080 I did well. Okay. How much did you lose on 1:26:06.120 --> 1:26:10.880 the first one? How about a hundred fifty thousands? Okay? 1:26:11.200 --> 1:26:14.240 Was the second one profitable to you? It made about 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:18.360 fifty thousand, and I worked a whole year on it. Yeah, okay, 1:26:18.360 --> 1:26:20.400 So the second one was the earlier part of this 1:26:20.560 --> 1:26:24.640 century subsequent to then. How many of you done and 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:29.480 how frequently? And they all been profitable. I've done oh 1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:33.080 sixty nine camps. Um, No, it's been a hard business. 1:26:33.640 --> 1:26:36.679 We're honest with you. It was really hard, and uh um. 1:26:36.720 --> 1:26:38.880 I tried to expand to go to Vegas. I was 1:26:38.960 --> 1:26:41.599 running two if While I was running two camps, I'm 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:44.840 running the camps where these people are having the greatest experience, 1:26:44.880 --> 1:26:47.160 and you know they get the jam with with def 1:26:47.240 --> 1:26:49.360 Leppard and Joe Elliott. Joe Eli is getting the jam 1:26:49.400 --> 1:26:51.720 but about the hopeful song and he's having a great time, 1:26:51.760 --> 1:26:54.479 and all these people are meeting, and then I'm can't 1:26:54.520 --> 1:26:56.720 wake up and I can't I can't wake up. I'm 1:26:56.760 --> 1:26:59.760 losing my mind. I'm losing. I'm losing. I remember calling 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:02.120 here and he says, well, close it. He says closing, 1:27:02.640 --> 1:27:04.080 and people and I went to see the count and 1:27:04.120 --> 1:27:06.320 I moved to l A and then account and said 1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:09.599 to me, why are you spending your kids money? You know, 1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:13.080 it's like why do this? But every day I'm getting 1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:16.679 an email thank you. It's a great experience of my life. 1:27:16.760 --> 1:27:20.120 This artist is great. One morning I get an email 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:24.240 from a guy and signed McKenzie and company and it 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:26.880 was guy Scott Keller and he's still gotta thank you. 1:27:26.920 --> 1:27:30.120 I got the gym with Judas Priest and my son 1:27:30.200 --> 1:27:32.479 and I had the most incredible time. Right away, I 1:27:32.479 --> 1:27:34.479 called him. I said, can I call you? Can I 1:27:34.520 --> 1:27:36.680 take it a launch and get some advice? And he 1:27:36.720 --> 1:27:39.160 turns to me and he's what's the problem. I said, now, 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:41.200 and said, this is a hard business. You know, it's 1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:44.559 not like Coachella where you can expand the fences. It's 1:27:44.640 --> 1:27:47.240 not an artist starting counsel blues and then going to 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:49.640 play a theater and then playing an arena. This is 1:27:50.000 --> 1:27:53.679 four teen bands, one drummer to the band, one bass player. 1:27:53.800 --> 1:27:56.120 You know you're limited, and you deal with people who 1:27:56.160 --> 1:27:58.320 wants scared to come. So I said, this is a 1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:01.760 hard business. And um, he says, I'm gonna take you 1:28:01.800 --> 1:28:04.200 to dinner and he takes me to dinner with six 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:08.280 of his smartest people. He brings Amy how who ran Ticketmaster. 1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:11.639 She came, she was a Mackenzie Scott comes, he brings 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:15.240 there's a band called they are Giants. He brings the father, 1:28:15.360 --> 1:28:17.760 the guitar player. The guitar player comes and we have 1:28:17.920 --> 1:28:20.600 this dinner and they basically said, David explained us the 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:23.320 issues of the camp, and I explained them the problems 1:28:23.320 --> 1:28:25.960 and what I was having. And they said, you got 1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:28.599 ten minutes to talk, and then we're gonna then we're 1:28:28.600 --> 1:28:30.840 gonna ask you questions ten minutes and then anybody's gonna 1:28:30.840 --> 1:28:33.400 shut the f up and let us give you some advice. 1:28:33.760 --> 1:28:37.400 They went through my books. They they really analyzed the 1:28:37.439 --> 1:28:40.320 business for me, and they basically said, his day, it's 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:43.720 very simple. You make ten dollars, stop spending twelve, spend nine, 1:28:43.800 --> 1:28:47.679 spent eight. And they really turned my business around. And uh, 1:28:47.840 --> 1:28:50.840 I need these bladings to tell me that, because you know, 1:28:50.840 --> 1:28:54.920 I would keep adding more talent and whatever they taught me, 1:28:55.120 --> 1:28:57.599 and I turned them to a profitable business. Where did 1:28:57.600 --> 1:29:00.920 you cut what I taught? Well, I cut Vegas out. 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:03.240 I had a place in Vegas. I couldn't operate Vegas. 1:29:03.920 --> 1:29:07.360 I'm not moving my family to Vegas. UM. So I 1:29:07.400 --> 1:29:10.439 had a location there in Vegas, UM and you know, 1:29:10.479 --> 1:29:12.719 I was getting ripped off with the gear, was getting 1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:15.160 stolen out of the place, and um, I was trying 1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:17.559 to open it as a rehearsal studio. I cut there. 1:29:17.640 --> 1:29:20.320 I cut employees that I figured that I have to 1:29:20.320 --> 1:29:23.280 do it myself, like you said, and and uh and 1:29:23.320 --> 1:29:25.920 I brought it stef and and then I just learned 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:29.040 to I cut a lot of things and turn the 1:29:29.080 --> 1:29:33.120 business around. So what so it turns around. How much 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:35.719 does it cost to go to Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp? 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:38.559 So rock Camp? So we charged about five thousand dollars 1:29:38.600 --> 1:29:41.280 to go to camp. But it's we have to Each 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:44.320 camp is like setting up a tour, and then you know, 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:47.600 a band can augment that tour and you know, I 1:29:47.600 --> 1:29:50.200 don't augment. They can advertize the tour over a hundred shows. 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:53.320 I don't advertize. And I closed my shop after that camp. 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:56.920 So these camps get expended. It all depends on the 1:29:56.680 --> 1:30:00.360 on the talent cost. But I keep it relatively to 1:30:00.439 --> 1:30:02.800 a point where where we can make some profits. And 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:06.040 it's not a lot, you know, but but enough that uh, 1:30:06.200 --> 1:30:07.920 you can pay you know, you can you can make 1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:10.120 a salary and you can pay people, and you know 1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:12.200 you have people to operate it and the artists and 1:30:12.479 --> 1:30:14.479 I think everyone has come to you know, they come 1:30:14.520 --> 1:30:18.880 to understand that that you know, to their works and um. 1:30:19.200 --> 1:30:21.120 But but the goals I want to make money is 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:22.560 I want to go back on the road with this. 1:30:22.760 --> 1:30:24.439 And I'm not going on the road pot, but if 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:26.439 I could find someone to help me put it back 1:30:26.439 --> 1:30:30.599 on the road. I did a couple of experiments. Number one, 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:34.439 I went to Irving as Off years ago and I said, 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:38.559 can I have the opening spot of your Deaf Leopard? Um? 1:30:38.960 --> 1:30:42.000 Your Deaf Leopard? He he was touring Journey and Death Leppard. 1:30:42.200 --> 1:30:45.120 I said, the stage is open from five thirty to seven. 1:30:45.360 --> 1:30:47.880 Can I have that stage. I'll sell one day camp. 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:51.280 I'll sell one day camp and convertized experiment. And he said, 1:30:51.320 --> 1:30:53.439 go do it. He said he was Irving was really 1:30:53.680 --> 1:30:56.920 he was very supportive. And um so I when I 1:30:57.000 --> 1:31:01.800 sold eighties spots for two thousand calls each, and um, 1:31:01.840 --> 1:31:04.320 I had these people come into Columbus, Ohio. They came 1:31:04.360 --> 1:31:07.799 in with six private planes. They came in from thirty 1:31:07.840 --> 1:31:10.240 states and they got the opportunity to open the Deaf 1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:12.960 leppert and Journey. I put them in a band um 1:31:13.400 --> 1:31:16.840 with a rock star mentor was I think Simon Kirk 1:31:17.000 --> 1:31:20.840 and Kick Winger and Rudy Sarzo and Vinnie Appassy, and 1:31:21.160 --> 1:31:24.360 they would mentor the band all day. Um. Then five 1:31:24.400 --> 1:31:26.280 o'clock they got to meet deaf Leppers and they got 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:28.600 the Journey and then each band went on stage and 1:31:28.680 --> 1:31:32.320 did one song and it was great because the people 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:34.280 got to taste the brand. They went to the office 1:31:34.320 --> 1:31:36.479 the next day and they said, uh, what do you do? Oh, 1:31:36.520 --> 1:31:39.960 I put the Flipper in Journey last night. But but 1:31:40.080 --> 1:31:44.440 what happened was these people bought forty tickets, fifty tickets 1:31:44.479 --> 1:31:47.280 from all for other friends. So if you take eighty 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:50.240 people or a hundred people gonna buy tickets, I got 1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:53.200 four thousand people coming to and see these people performed. 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:56.200 But I had a problem because the stage and and 1:31:56.280 --> 1:31:58.760 everything like that. So the idea is a year later 1:31:59.040 --> 1:32:00.800 and I went to House the Blues and I did 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:05.040 a tour where I did fifteen cities and again you 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:08.719 got to open for UM and that tour it was extreme. 1:32:08.800 --> 1:32:10.800 With King Jackson was supposed to be bigger names, but 1:32:11.000 --> 1:32:15.320 they got little snookered on the deal. But whatever it is, Um, 1:32:15.360 --> 1:32:17.800 I did fifteen cities and I did really well and 1:32:18.479 --> 1:32:21.360 gave people one day opportunities to doing the camp. Um. 1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:22.680 So that's really what I want to do, and I'll 1:32:22.720 --> 1:32:24.800 put it back on the road because everybody wants to 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:27.240 perform from their parents. They want to perform front of 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:30.679 their family. Like I said, the final night of Camp, 1:32:30.960 --> 1:32:33.559 you see these executives how their families in the audience, 1:32:33.600 --> 1:32:36.559 and and you know they're not holding up their middle finger, 1:32:36.640 --> 1:32:38.840 but they're basically saying, hey, mom, I could have been 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:42.519 a rock star. You do have a little bit of 1:32:42.600 --> 1:32:46.880 perception problem. Today's incommittee quality era where it is five k, 1:32:47.040 --> 1:32:49.600 which is not mentioned in the movie. Is that just 1:32:49.920 --> 1:32:51.320 is what it is? Or is there a way to 1:32:51.479 --> 1:32:55.120 change the perception of the camp that it's for the elite? Okay, 1:32:55.200 --> 1:32:56.880 so that's what it was. And I used to get 1:32:56.880 --> 1:32:59.439 eighty five. I used to do. I did Abbey Road 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:01.840 Studios where you got to you know, record there, and 1:33:01.880 --> 1:33:05.000 it was sixteen thousand. I've lowered the price way down. 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:08.920 People get to pay it off. Um. Yeah, no, I 1:33:08.960 --> 1:33:11.360 know everybody thinks it's it's expensive. It's a cost of 1:33:11.400 --> 1:33:13.320 safe thing to go on a cruise and you can 1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:15.920 hang out. I'm not asking you to justify the price. 1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:20.000 The price is great. But people who don't go, who 1:33:20.000 --> 1:33:22.519 see the movie and hear the price, they say, oh, 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:26.639 that's for rich people. So it is perceived as an elite, 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:28.840 rich person's camp. I'm not talking about whether people call 1:33:29.040 --> 1:33:32.040 up the money, right. It's perceived that way as people 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.160 because I've been doing this for years, So that's an excuse. 1:33:36.160 --> 1:33:39.040 It sees. Listen, they'll see the film and uh and 1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:42.000 and they and they go to camp. Um, I will 1:33:42.040 --> 1:33:44.719 tell you that fifty cent on my campus return because 1:33:44.760 --> 1:33:48.160 you know, once you take them to that excitement level 1:33:48.400 --> 1:33:51.240 of four days, they go home, they get depressed. I 1:33:51.320 --> 1:33:53.679 had a guy had a guy come back to camp 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:55.800 after two years, and I said, what, what what brought 1:33:55.880 --> 1:33:58.320 you back? He said, I went to my therapist every 1:33:58.400 --> 1:34:00.280 day and it said, you know I do by your 1:34:00.320 --> 1:34:02.280 rock camp. And he says, why don't you go back 1:34:02.280 --> 1:34:04.000 to camp? Well, the therapist took his money for two 1:34:04.040 --> 1:34:06.400 years and then he says, I just can't make you 1:34:06.479 --> 1:34:10.040 happen to go back. Okay, let's assume I lay my 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:14.519 five k down. What are you guaranteeing me? I'm not 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:19.040 guarantee any UM. I want to guarantee it was an experience. UM. 1:34:19.080 --> 1:34:23.680 I never promised anyone your career. I'm so against that. UM. 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:28.040 More specific, I put him in five thousand dollars. Am 1:34:28.040 --> 1:34:30.240 I gonna How much time am I gonna get with 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:33.120 the acts? How much free time or how much you know, 1:34:33.400 --> 1:34:36.200 hanging like we both went to camp where it's all together. 1:34:36.240 --> 1:34:38.640 It might be sitting in my room alone. When you 1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:40.600 go to camp, where did you go to Cannath? I 1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:43.000 went to Jewish camp in Connecticut. First of all, I 1:34:43.000 --> 1:34:46.679 went to day camp for three years. Then the Jewish 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:49.519 Community Center of New Haven had an overnight camp in 1:34:49.560 --> 1:34:52.160 East Madison called Camp Laurel Wood, which they still have 1:34:52.840 --> 1:34:54.599 the best days of my life. I literally came home 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:57.160 and cried, I know exactly what you're talking about. So 1:34:57.360 --> 1:34:59.200 you come to camp, by the way, so once you 1:34:59.280 --> 1:35:01.120 signed up for camp up and you put your deposit 1:35:01.200 --> 1:35:04.400 your money down, you get a letter from us telling 1:35:04.479 --> 1:35:08.400 us what songs that you should prepare and and that 1:35:08.720 --> 1:35:10.439 these are these artists are gonna be there, and you 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:13.920 want to prepare these songs, So people start studying their songs. Um. 1:35:14.160 --> 1:35:17.439 Then so then a week before your your rock star 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:20.000 counselor calls you and you guys have a group meeting 1:35:20.160 --> 1:35:22.599 and the guys and gals they pick songs that they're 1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:26.639 gonna do and uh so, uh, what's the Rudy Sarzo 1:35:26.720 --> 1:35:29.360 or Tony Franklin. They call you, and they and they 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:31.200 and we just sudden they come up with a song 1:35:31.240 --> 1:35:33.240 list of what they want to do when they come 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:36.400 to camp. They walk in on Thursday, they go right away, 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:40.120 they go into pick a room to go into, whether 1:35:40.160 --> 1:35:43.479 it's a jam room, it's a you know, a different 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:46.759 jam room. Then I come out and I basically announced 1:35:46.760 --> 1:35:49.519 the rules of camp, which are no rules, um, but 1:35:49.640 --> 1:35:52.759 basically I want them to prepare to to to record. 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:54.760 Let's say the camp I did with Joe Perry. Learn 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:57.439 narrow Snip song, Learn learn a Farno song because you're 1:35:57.439 --> 1:36:01.320 gonna jam with mc graham. Um, you go to Vince 1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:03.559 Neil is gonna come by to learn a Motley Crue songs. 1:36:03.600 --> 1:36:07.280 So they basically prepare those songs and m and then 1:36:07.320 --> 1:36:10.320 they have they go into the rooms with their bands 1:36:10.360 --> 1:36:13.360 and they have rehearsals and uh, and then following rehearsals, 1:36:13.400 --> 1:36:14.880 I have a lot of master classes. So if you 1:36:14.920 --> 1:36:17.200 want to write songs, if you bring your songs, let's 1:36:17.200 --> 1:36:18.680 see you brought us. You wrote a song, you want 1:36:18.680 --> 1:36:20.679 to come to camp. You could sit around a panel, 1:36:21.040 --> 1:36:24.639 you can hear, you get get people's opinion about the songs. 1:36:24.840 --> 1:36:26.599 Then I do an opening night party because I want 1:36:26.640 --> 1:36:28.559 the rock starts to jam. I want you to see 1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:31.880 how how good these guys are. And these musicians are great. 1:36:31.920 --> 1:36:34.439 You know they're great. Why are they're great because they 1:36:34.520 --> 1:36:38.200 practice every day. Unlike this guy who's the weekend musician. 1:36:38.479 --> 1:36:40.840 You know, he shows up on one hour, so you 1:36:40.880 --> 1:36:43.880 really see how incredible talents that they are. The next 1:36:44.000 --> 1:36:47.400 day they rehearsal and then Luke Graham comes in and 1:36:47.560 --> 1:36:50.040 uh and he walks into a room and and they 1:36:50.080 --> 1:36:52.200 get to you know, depending on the artist, you know, 1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:55.200 like I telt flash dates for twelve hours. He janned 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:59.040 an hour with each man and and and you know 1:36:59.200 --> 1:37:02.400 what's the names? Uh, Nick Mason. He stayed for four 1:37:02.479 --> 1:37:04.560 days and he wrote a story about g Q. It 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:07.360 once they're they're I don't put a timeless They do 1:37:07.439 --> 1:37:10.120 what they want to do and and uh so, you 1:37:10.120 --> 1:37:12.640 know most people say and they jam a song and 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:14.639 then they do a Q and A and they answer 1:37:14.800 --> 1:37:17.760 questions and then they take their photo and they signed 1:37:17.800 --> 1:37:20.200 all the autographs and all that stuff. But then then 1:37:20.240 --> 1:37:22.240 we do Q and A with them. And you know, 1:37:22.720 --> 1:37:25.120 Joe Walsh was amazing. He stayed, you know, he stayed 1:37:25.160 --> 1:37:28.000 for five hours, and he jammed with everybody. And then 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:30.160 he what I loved what he did was he turned 1:37:30.160 --> 1:37:32.320 to every guitar place is now it's your turn. Now 1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:36.400 it's your turn to laya lea a solo. And these 1:37:36.400 --> 1:37:39.840 people froze. But he said, listen, you gotta fake it, 1:37:39.920 --> 1:37:43.719 you know. And the the the information that meat loads, 1:37:43.760 --> 1:37:46.559 the information that these artists have given to these people 1:37:47.120 --> 1:37:50.240 is incredible, it really is. And and and they they 1:37:50.360 --> 1:37:52.360 take a list. Okay, how many people go to a 1:37:52.479 --> 1:38:00.560 camp eighty people? Eighty people. The relationships mainteens obsequent to 1:38:00.640 --> 1:38:04.080 the camp, well, that's incredible, because every rocket, they all 1:38:04.120 --> 1:38:06.080 make it meet their best friends. I can't every rock 1:38:06.120 --> 1:38:08.280 star tells me they've met their best friend. Steven Tyler. 1:38:08.680 --> 1:38:11.120 You know, he's flying away with the guy. You know, 1:38:11.320 --> 1:38:14.080 there's there's always there's always some guys who planes, so 1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:17.760 you know, naturally they make friends. You know, remember Joe 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:20.280 Perry was was in Vegas to the camp and John 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:21.960 b and Eliot's tour magic ain to me. He said, 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:24.439 you know, the airport's closed, the Boston snowed in. Is 1:38:24.479 --> 1:38:26.800 there anyone here with the private plane? I said, that 1:38:26.880 --> 1:38:29.160 guy over there, he's got a private plane. Asked him 1:38:29.520 --> 1:38:31.160 and the guys to sure, I'll drive to get back. 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:34.599 He flew him back and and I went to his band. 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:36.200 I said, you know the guy who wants to leave. 1:38:36.320 --> 1:38:38.120 And you know, what do you guys do about a drummer? 1:38:38.160 --> 1:38:40.400 He says, thank god, David, we'll pay a drummer, get 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:43.760 a drummer in town. Well five found the drummer for him. Um. 1:38:43.880 --> 1:38:46.759 But yeah, the friendships they make, and then and then 1:38:46.760 --> 1:38:48.880 so the and there's not and again there's not only 1:38:48.960 --> 1:38:52.080 rich guys there. These people make lots of friends when 1:38:52.120 --> 1:38:55.400 they go on tour. Every artist has told me my 1:38:55.479 --> 1:38:57.639 best friends I met at Rock and Roll Fans Camp. 1:38:57.920 --> 1:39:00.320 You know when when when we were touring and I 1:39:00.360 --> 1:39:02.880 was turning Rnko and even the monkeys, we always ran 1:39:02.920 --> 1:39:04.559 out of the venue. We always ran out of venue. 1:39:04.640 --> 1:39:06.519 No one ever wanted to meet a rock star. I'mlike 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:08.840 the country people. You know. I went to see took 1:39:08.880 --> 1:39:11.519 my daughter and see Oprah, and she wanted to always 1:39:11.520 --> 1:39:14.160 meet Oprah and and and on that show was Kenny 1:39:14.240 --> 1:39:18.400 Chesney and Hoodie and it was a country show. And 1:39:18.680 --> 1:39:21.679 she says to Kenny Chesney, she says, well, um, Kenny, 1:39:21.720 --> 1:39:23.840 you know you meet your fans that uh you know, 1:39:23.920 --> 1:39:25.800 you're so good to your fans. I go out there 1:39:25.840 --> 1:39:28.080 and meet my fans five o'clock. I hug him. I 1:39:28.120 --> 1:39:30.639 love them. They come out to my bus and she said, 1:39:30.680 --> 1:39:32.400 who was the first? Continue on too? So I went 1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:35.240 to anarrismonth show. So I haven't done anything to meet 1:39:35.240 --> 1:39:39.200 Steven Tyler. So you know, rock stars always ran away 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:44.040 and um, unlike the country stars. How do you build 1:39:44.040 --> 1:39:47.720 a show, build a camp? What's the key? I got 1:39:47.760 --> 1:39:50.000 a lot of it's. I have a checklists. It started 1:39:50.040 --> 1:39:54.000 first with the talent. UM. I try to UM, I 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:56.360 try to get a talent to come. I see the 1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:58.800 Scorpions will come in to Vegas. I reached out to 1:39:58.840 --> 1:40:03.479 them and UM prior to covid um and they said 1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:05.439 they would do it. Uh. So now I got a 1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:09.400 location and now I got a uh weekend in May, 1:40:09.760 --> 1:40:12.040 I was gonna do the scorpions. Um. And then I 1:40:12.120 --> 1:40:14.000 go find a location and I try to find in 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:15.920 a place where I got four key rehearsal rooms. That's 1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:18.360 the hardest thing is to find the rehearsal rooms because 1:40:18.360 --> 1:40:21.120 it's not everywhere that you have rehearsal space. UM. Once 1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:23.240 I have that, UM, you know, I go out and 1:40:23.280 --> 1:40:25.479 I signed my counselors and I have a great array 1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:28.439 of counselors who who do camp and um who you 1:40:28.479 --> 1:40:31.680 know Teddy Andreatas from Guns and Roses and he was 1:40:31.720 --> 1:40:34.000 a keyboard. He played keyboard to them and you know 1:40:34.400 --> 1:40:37.840 you get now listen, you gotta find good people that 1:40:37.840 --> 1:40:39.320 that are gonna do it. The one thing I learned 1:40:39.360 --> 1:40:43.599 with Ringo and Alice Cooper, the one thing they they 1:40:43.640 --> 1:40:45.800 I learned from Ringo was, you know, we fought about 1:40:45.840 --> 1:40:48.200 Dan Members. You know we thought about Jack Rose. It's 1:40:48.360 --> 1:40:50.240 it's in there's a public book. It's a book about 1:40:50.240 --> 1:40:52.960 it that that I fought with Ringo because I wanted 1:40:53.040 --> 1:40:55.360 Jack Bruce because my brother was a cream fan and 1:40:55.400 --> 1:40:58.160 I love Jack Bruce, so um, he didn't want him. 1:40:58.160 --> 1:41:00.000 He bumped into him in the airport and I guess 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:03.840 Jack wasn't in his best shape back then. And um, 1:41:03.960 --> 1:41:05.600 and you know, you want to tour with people that 1:41:05.680 --> 1:41:07.639 you love, that you can work with, that you could 1:41:07.640 --> 1:41:09.960 deal with. Alice Cooper said to me, it's it's I 1:41:10.040 --> 1:41:12.439 gotta have a great band of people because I gotta 1:41:12.439 --> 1:41:14.439 live with them. So it's not just musicianship, and some 1:41:14.479 --> 1:41:16.120 people want to live with So it's the same thing 1:41:16.120 --> 1:41:18.679 with counselors. You know, I meant Peter Tork in the Monkeys, 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:20.040 he called me, so I want to be a counselor. 1:41:20.040 --> 1:41:22.200 And I said, okay, Peter, come and you know he 1:41:22.280 --> 1:41:24.799 was my worth counselor. And I remember telling a journalist 1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:27.439 that and he called me up. He says, you told 1:41:27.479 --> 1:41:30.960 them I was the worth counselor, said Peter, people, you don't. 1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:33.360 You have to have patience with people. You're gonna have to, 1:41:33.760 --> 1:41:35.640 you know, leave your ego at the door. And you 1:41:35.640 --> 1:41:37.080 know people will come over with him and they wanted 1:41:37.040 --> 1:41:38.599 to ask him something, they want to get a picture. 1:41:38.800 --> 1:41:40.280 So you need to have you need to be a 1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:44.280 people person. Let me really, let me restate this, because 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:47.000 you were talking about Mackenzie and consulting on your act, 1:41:47.240 --> 1:41:51.000 on your show. What is the look? How many stars 1:41:51.040 --> 1:41:53.200 do you need? You know, you build a show, I 1:41:53.240 --> 1:41:55.920 need X number of a players. Be what do you 1:41:56.000 --> 1:41:58.840 need to get people to come? You need a star, 1:41:59.080 --> 1:42:01.080 you need you needed one star, you need two stars. 1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:02.800 I try to find the star that's going to jamp 1:42:02.800 --> 1:42:04.600 with them the last night we will agree to do 1:42:04.920 --> 1:42:08.599 the final night concert. Um. So that's where I start. UM. 1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:10.920 I try to now keeping in genres. I try to 1:42:11.000 --> 1:42:14.120 keep the metal guys with the metal guys. I'll try 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:15.840 to keep the rock guys with the rock guys that 1:42:15.960 --> 1:42:17.599 keep it. And I did Alice and change and don't 1:42:17.640 --> 1:42:20.960 couple of pilots, you know, you try to keep that together. Um. 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:23.439 You know when I get two or three good names, 1:42:23.560 --> 1:42:25.920 and then then I'm ready to build. And then I 1:42:26.000 --> 1:42:29.640 built my fourteen counselors out. Um. And then you know, 1:42:30.439 --> 1:42:34.040 the location is important. It's a combination everything. Listen, It's 1:42:34.080 --> 1:42:35.200 like what I did the ring go to I got 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:37.120 a lot of balls in the air. You gotta keep 1:42:37.160 --> 1:42:38.920 a lot of balls in the air, and then you 1:42:39.040 --> 1:42:41.800 hope they're gonna come together and and and that's really 1:42:41.840 --> 1:42:45.839 what I snapped my fingers. We go to the ultimate 1:42:45.960 --> 1:42:49.400 destination with rock Camp. What does it look like? It 1:42:49.560 --> 1:42:52.280 was Abbey Road Studios. You got to record every old 1:42:52.320 --> 1:42:55.000 studios and then you got no, that's that's what in 1:42:55.120 --> 1:42:58.880 the past. If we go down the hypothetical future and 1:42:58.960 --> 1:43:01.519 it were to max out your wildest dream, what would 1:43:01.560 --> 1:43:03.920 it look like. I want to tourk I want to 1:43:03.960 --> 1:43:05.960 be on I want to be on the road four 1:43:06.080 --> 1:43:10.400 times a week, um, opening for a major act or 1:43:10.479 --> 1:43:12.760 any act um that I can. I know I can 1:43:12.800 --> 1:43:15.880 bring them a lot of people. Um. And I want 1:43:15.880 --> 1:43:17.720 to sell packages where you can go on the road, 1:43:17.960 --> 1:43:20.040 get on a tour bus and go on the road 1:43:20.160 --> 1:43:22.519 for two weeks. I want I want to I want 1:43:22.520 --> 1:43:24.240 to buy my way on an opening act and tour. 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:26.320 That to me is really where I want to go 1:43:26.600 --> 1:43:31.720 and um and get Okay, this is rock Camp. Are 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:35.519 there any other promotion dreams that are yet unfulfilled that 1:43:35.560 --> 1:43:39.639 you would like to complete and do well? I think 1:43:39.680 --> 1:43:42.280 the film, you know, the film was the last thing 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:45.960 that I really uh you know, I've represented players who 1:43:46.040 --> 1:43:49.560 won the World Series. Uh, Phil Simms, that's that's a 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:52.720 giant San Francisco for nights. I hit my mark on 1:43:53.080 --> 1:43:56.000 on Gutta. Players have a had a Beatle, I worked 1:43:56.040 --> 1:43:59.320 with a Beatle. Um work with you know, I think 1:43:59.560 --> 1:44:01.439 we worked with the with a member of the Who. 1:44:01.640 --> 1:44:04.360 And and Bill Wyman are only songs I think I've 1:44:04.680 --> 1:44:10.000 I've lived that. Um, you know, I just like changing lives. Really, Bob, 1:44:10.680 --> 1:44:14.439 you cannot imagine how fulfilling it is to open your 1:44:14.479 --> 1:44:19.080 emails every day and someone saying you change my life. Um, 1:44:19.920 --> 1:44:23.080 you know, I breast cancer and I came to a 1:44:23.240 --> 1:44:26.320 camp and and now I'm I'm writing books. And I 1:44:26.479 --> 1:44:29.240 decided that I didn't want I quit being a lawyer 1:44:29.640 --> 1:44:33.120 because uh, I didn't want to live that life of being, 1:44:33.400 --> 1:44:35.880 you know, doing stuff that's boring. I wanted to live 1:44:35.960 --> 1:44:38.080 my passion. So the ladies today became a writer. She's 1:44:38.120 --> 1:44:40.439 a fourteen books that are that are a number one 1:44:40.520 --> 1:44:43.599 on Amazon. She writes, Um, you know, she writes fiction books. 1:44:44.000 --> 1:44:46.720 I love that part. A guy says to me, he 1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:48.920 came to my camp, and he says, I called him up. 1:44:48.920 --> 1:44:50.559 I said, you're gonna come to the next camp. He said, say, 1:44:50.600 --> 1:44:52.400 but I got good news, beads. I quit my job 1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:55.599 on Wall Street. I am going to London school drumming. 1:44:55.880 --> 1:44:57.400 The bad news is I can't report to come to 1:44:57.560 --> 1:45:00.400 campers anywhere I said good good, or where a guy 1:45:00.439 --> 1:45:02.360 stopped on the street. He says, how this is the 1:45:02.400 --> 1:45:04.479 best look. Guy stopped you on the street in the 1:45:04.640 --> 1:45:06.519 in New York about three years ago, he says, David, 1:45:06.800 --> 1:45:08.720 he says that, Espishop Mark, I gotta thank you. I 1:45:08.800 --> 1:45:11.880 just got back from Moscow. I said, we my band 1:45:11.960 --> 1:45:14.040 opened for Harrelsmith. So what do you mean your band 1:45:14.120 --> 1:45:16.240 opened harresmanth He says, yeah. He says, I met Joe 1:45:16.280 --> 1:45:19.560 Perry and his manager at your camp and I my my, 1:45:19.800 --> 1:45:22.800 my lead singer is in lives in Moscow, and I 1:45:23.320 --> 1:45:25.640 kept calling her and I asked, can we open for 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:30.080 your band for Farrelsmith in Moscow? And until the manager said, 1:45:30.080 --> 1:45:32.040 sent me the CD She's gave it over to Joe, 1:45:32.479 --> 1:45:34.360 and Joe looked at and said, when I meet this 1:45:34.400 --> 1:45:36.800 guy he met about rockets, let him open. I mean, 1:45:37.240 --> 1:45:41.120 here's this is. I don't promise this, this shit happens, 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:45.640 and and I don't know. Okay, divorcing the external and 1:45:45.840 --> 1:45:48.679 just starting with your internal. What is your greatest asset? 1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:53.280 Why have you been successful? I think my my successes 1:45:53.520 --> 1:45:56.000 is caring for people and passionate. You know, my dad 1:45:56.120 --> 1:45:58.680 was a rabbi. My brother's a rabbi, my son in 1:45:58.760 --> 1:46:00.479 laws a rabbi. I don't want to be a rabbi, 1:46:00.760 --> 1:46:03.000 but all the day I saw I see these people 1:46:03.400 --> 1:46:08.000 taking care of people and answering them and and you know, 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:11.840 and doing good. And so I had no ability to 1:46:11.920 --> 1:46:15.920 be a rabbi. But I really enjoy um people. And uh, 1:46:16.040 --> 1:46:17.400 you know, for a long time, I didn't want to 1:46:17.479 --> 1:46:20.000 camp the counselors, the campers. I didn't want to meet him. 1:46:20.000 --> 1:46:22.679 I had told somebody, you know, you you know, I can't, 1:46:22.800 --> 1:46:24.200 I can't do it all. I gotta deal with these 1:46:24.280 --> 1:46:27.759 rock stars. And then I realized how amazing these campers 1:46:27.800 --> 1:46:30.280 are and who they are, and uh, and you know, 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:32.320 I got up there as a joke one day. I said, 1:46:32.360 --> 1:46:36.000 you know, my entire life, I represented a beatle, a turtle, 1:46:36.120 --> 1:46:38.760 a monkey, you name it. And all I did was 1:46:38.920 --> 1:46:41.320 keep my stars away from you people. And now I 1:46:41.439 --> 1:46:43.280 love you people because these are the people that keeping 1:46:43.320 --> 1:46:46.439 me in business. So these these are good people. They're 1:46:46.439 --> 1:46:50.120 they're great people. They're musicians who just decided to make 1:46:50.160 --> 1:46:52.479 a get a real job, and they really want to 1:46:52.520 --> 1:46:57.040 be a rector. Okay, David, this has been wonderful hearing 1:46:57.080 --> 1:47:00.240 all your brushes with fame, how you made your ome life, 1:47:00.760 --> 1:47:04.240 switched your own career. You obviously our ball of energy 1:47:04.600 --> 1:47:07.479 and you can close anybody. Thanks so much for doing this, 1:47:08.240 --> 1:47:10.280 really and honor. Thank you so much. And I gotta 1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:12.840 thank you the reaction that I got on your review 1:47:12.880 --> 1:47:16.360 in the film, it's probably the biggest reaction I got, 1:47:16.560 --> 1:47:20.680 So thank you so much. Okay, until next time. This 1:47:20.880 --> 1:47:21.920 is Bob Leftstons