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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Bob Left podcast. My yesterday

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Speaker 1: is promoter entrepreneur David Fishel David, Bob, Thanks, yeah, great

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Speaker 1: to be here. Okay, winter shows coming back, I think October.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that the Scorpions will return to Vegas so

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Speaker 1: I can do a camp there. But you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: still scared. I think it's gonna have to be two

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Speaker 1: thousand twenty two. I think the to feel us, to

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Speaker 1: us to feel secure that we're gonna be in a

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Speaker 1: in a situation. Um, I think that's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: be next year. Okay, you're planning to do this in

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Speaker 1: the fall. Have you sold tickets for it? No? I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to go on sale because the last thing

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Speaker 1: I want to do is hold people's money. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: I've just been I was really supposed to be in

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Speaker 1: May and um, but no, I had Bright and White

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Speaker 1: before ovid I stopped. I didn't go and sale. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so how have you ridden out this year long process? So, Bob,

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Speaker 1: I started these master classes in June because I wanted

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Speaker 1: to recreate at least part of what I did at

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Speaker 1: Rock and when I do at Rocketball Fantasy Camp. So

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Speaker 1: I asked many of these artists if they would come

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Speaker 1: on Zoom and I went to a universe part Ticketmaster

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Speaker 1: and was selling tickets or people to come and be

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Speaker 1: able to communicate with these artists. And uh I started

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Speaker 1: with Mark Farner from Grant Funk, and I had Roger

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Speaker 1: Doultrey on and the band Sticks and the Scorpions, and

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Speaker 1: you know, these artists decided they were going to do

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Speaker 1: this and give the money to their crews and uh

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Speaker 1: so it's been fun we did. We've done a hundred

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Speaker 1: fifty of them. Okay, if you've done a hundred and fifty,

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Speaker 1: how many different acts or that is that? I would

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Speaker 1: say we did about a hundred different acts, okay. And

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Speaker 1: if you missed the live performance, can you watch the

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Speaker 1: can you buy a ticket for the rerun? So I

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Speaker 1: haven't done anything there yet. We have this amazing library.

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Speaker 1: I'm just deciding what to do with it, and uh um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the artists and my partners on it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna confer with many of them, but I

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Speaker 1: plan to do something with the with the information because

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Speaker 1: these classes Bob unlike, these rock stars coming on usually

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Speaker 1: doing interviews for records, and they're selling their their live gigs.

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Speaker 1: They're giving away information and they're giving their sharing information

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Speaker 1: that you can't get anywhere else. I mean, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Alice Cooper talking about stuff or Roger Daltree. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've been blown away by all these classes.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've we've advertised the sixty minutes. They've all

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Speaker 1: lasted ninety to two hours, um, and they've been really

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Speaker 1: great and motivate and great motivation while we're going through COVID. Okay,

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Speaker 1: how much is a ticket to one of these master classes?

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Speaker 1: So the classes start um, and they've gone up to uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I charged five hundred for Roger adult because

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Speaker 1: we're giving all the money to his charity. So twenty

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Speaker 1: five people get get to spend five dollars to ask

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Speaker 1: Roger a question, but most of them been a hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars and um, and you know you get to really

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Speaker 1: talk to these people and get some great info. So

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Speaker 1: how many people are at each master class? So you know,

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Speaker 1: we've altened it up to twenty five people, um, and

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Speaker 1: they come in from all around the world. Um. And

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Speaker 1: now we were increasing it to a few hundred where

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Speaker 1: people can just watch them and uh, so you know,

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Speaker 1: you buy a ticket for twenty five dollars, you can

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Speaker 1: watch them um, and then someone who's paying, you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty hundred dollars they get to really talk to the artist. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you buy the ticket on ticket Masters. That correct, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that that I have to ask a question, what about

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Speaker 1: the fees? So the fees that you know, were they charged?

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Speaker 1: The person pays above the fees, you know whatever, the

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Speaker 1: fees are above UM. But there there, you know, there there.

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Speaker 1: I started inventive and I started on and they're all

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Speaker 1: the same. The only reason I asked, if one buys

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Speaker 1: a concert ticket, there's a kick back to the building.

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Speaker 1: There's a kick back to the promoter in addition to

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Speaker 1: the fee to Ticketmaster, which is how it makes its money.

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Speaker 1: So I would think inherently the fee. Would you would

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Speaker 1: negotiate a lower fee on something like this? I did? Did?

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Speaker 1: They did give us a lower fee, and I don't

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Speaker 1: I think it's really um an opportunity for I want

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Speaker 1: My goal is for them to go to the concert

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Speaker 1: you know you can't go to this depth leopard concept,

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Speaker 1: but you can watch Joe elliott. I was hoping that

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Speaker 1: They've been really slow during COVID. Okay, that begs the question,

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Speaker 1: how are people aware of these master classes? What is

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Speaker 1: the marketing? The marketing is basically been the artist promoting

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Speaker 1: thousand list of people over twenty five years who wanted

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Speaker 1: gone to camp? And Uh, people come to camp and

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Speaker 1: you know they they're they're coming into it and they're

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Speaker 1: seeing it and the word about and how frequently do

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Speaker 1: you have a master class. I've been doing him three

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Speaker 1: or four nights a week, and uh, and you know

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Speaker 1: now we're I took off a little bit during January

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Speaker 1: because the Super Bowl a football, but we're going back.

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Speaker 1: We're starting again. We're starting up with Roger on February seven,

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Speaker 1: and um, we got Eddie Kramer's gonna mix a song.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to watch Eddie Kramer mixed a

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Speaker 1: song live. You know you'll be able to sive in

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Speaker 1: a song. I had Desmond Child last month doing three

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Speaker 1: got to send in your song to Desmond and he

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Speaker 1: would basically took six songs and uh he gave everyone

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Speaker 1: was brilliant. I mean, some lady writes since he has

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Speaker 1: I found love from Tennessee to Texas to the Alamo.

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Speaker 1: He said, lady, we lost the Alamo. So he was

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Speaker 1: he was great. He's I think he spent he spent

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Speaker 1: three hours, three nights um doing that. So where side says,

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Speaker 1: you know, bigger classes. Okay, the Desmond is quite a

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Speaker 1: character and he has his opinions. He's great, but let's

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Speaker 1: talk about someone who's not inherently a songwriter like Desmond.

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Speaker 1: That's how he made his bones, although he's also a performer.

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Speaker 1: What is the format of the class. So I have

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Speaker 1: So I wanted someone who you know, knows music and

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Speaker 1: have these people come on zoom, we we un mute them,

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Speaker 1: crazy the way these people, you know, they stay up

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Speaker 1: it's been great, and you know, there's and he got

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Speaker 1: It's been great. And it's not you know, like you said,

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Speaker 1: it's not a mat and greed. It's it's not a cameo.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna learn music, okay. And to what degree are

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Speaker 1: They're musicians and their vocalists and the young young ladies

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Speaker 1: you know, Joey Kramer, you know, it's amazing that but

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Speaker 1: Joey Kramer we're teenagers who their parents listen to the bands,

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Speaker 1: so you know they wanted to ask questions and do

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Speaker 1: you listen and participate whether you talk or not in

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Speaker 1: to everything. Sorry, And I love Bridge, he does it all.

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Speaker 1: I listen to most of them. I put her on mute.

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Speaker 1: been so I've learned so much because again these artists

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Speaker 1: done three of them, he sold out the most. Um,

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Speaker 1: Chef Covid, you know what do I do with my career?

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Speaker 1: I've seen agents come on. It's it's compuite interesting, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about all of them that you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Of course they're doing it for their own wallet, and

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Speaker 1: someone are doing for the wallet. Chef gave his money

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Speaker 1: Maui Food Bank. Um. But yes, the artists. You know what,

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Speaker 1: for their own you know, because uh, they're not making money. Now, okay,

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Speaker 1: So the artists you've had on the master classes, these

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Speaker 1: That's what's been interesting. Many of them are started that way.

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Speaker 1: talk to our people. Um so yeah, it's been all

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Speaker 1: I found out my whole career. You know. People have

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Speaker 1: then the Prince and the listener has been And what

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Speaker 1: were they were grand scorpions, a lot of people from

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Speaker 1: around the world. How many people were in the Peanut

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Speaker 1: Gallery listening? About two hundreds. I'm just suddenty five to Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: you're a person whose main rep now is live performance.

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Speaker 1: Needless say, there are no live performances. The master classes

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Speaker 1: are not a conventional concert But do you believe or

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Speaker 1: have any insight to doing virtual concerts? No, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not un concept business. I'm not competing with Live

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Speaker 1: I want, I want. I want to teach people. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's I've changed my whole lifestyle to share people the

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Speaker 1: knowledge of these artists, these musicians. That's why created the camp.

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Speaker 1: years ago. And and uh so now it's me. I

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00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: got to do it all and I love it. I

426
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: love it. Okay, how did you decide to move to

427
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: l A? So I was doing the rock and Roll

428
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: Fantasy camps and um Mark Burnett um came to see

429
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: me in New York and he said, I want to

430
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: make a reality series out of your show and out

431
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: of your camps, and um, you know I had done

432
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: one earlier on TLC. They did a special they William

433
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: Maritza had offered John Farred to the late John farredy

434
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: offered me. Uh, said, I got a deal for you.

435
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: They want to do a series on Rock Roll Fantasy

436
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 1: Camp and they want to, you know, make it like

437
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: The Bachelor meets uh Rock and I remember Forget, I

438
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 1: remember Colly Roger and I said, Roger got a enough

439
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: for a series here, and he says, don't do it.

440
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: It's gonna kill your brand. And so I decided not

441
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: to do it, but he said, do it two hours special.

442
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: They did a two hour special and it turned out great,

443
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: and he did. It was on TLC and Brett Michaels

444
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: was in a Mills Locker was in it. Basney told

445
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: the story about Camp. Then when when Mark Burnett came

446
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: to see me and he promised me, I'll make a

447
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: reality show. I said, you know, you gotta keep it

448
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: rock and roll. It can't be reality. And he tried

449
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: the best he could. He sold us a v H

450
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: one classic. It was pre the Voice, it was, it

451
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: was you know it was. It was a good show.

452
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: But I wanted to come out to l A. And uh,

453
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to come out to l A. But

454
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave my parents years ago, and

455
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 1: so I came out first and then the kids followed me.

456
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: It was great, Okay, l A is getting a bad rap.

457
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: Now all of California you still sold? Or would you

458
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: ever move back? No, I'm staying here. You wake up

459
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: every morning and you see the sunshine, and you've got

460
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: your grandkids here, and no, I'm not going back. And

461
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 1: you know I saw, I'll pay the extra taxes and tears.

462
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: I liked it. And now my next top is Israel.

463
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: That's where I'm going next. Okay, you and Sheldon Adolson

464
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: who was no there with us. But in any event,

465
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: when you talk about the two TLC and v H one,

466
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: if you could rewind the clock, would you have done them?

467
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: I would have. Yeah, the TLC I loved um. When

468
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: I've done the idea, No, I probably wouldn't have done

469
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: the Mark Burnette one because it really doesn't show what

470
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: my camp is about. You know, my campus about people.

471
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: It's not young people aspiring to be rock stars. It's

472
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: people over forty wanting who had a decision in life

473
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: to make. They were they were, they were in high school, college,

474
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: they were in a band, and they have to make

475
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: a decision do I become a rock star or do

476
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: I get a real job. And they really wanted to

477
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: become a rock star. You know, my my third book.

478
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm writing a book. Now, Hey, mom, I could have

479
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: been a rock star, but you maybe go to Harvard.

480
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: And that's my customer. And um, they're passionate about what

481
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: they want to be a musician. And you know, Joe

482
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: Perry was funny. One night he gave a class he

483
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: was talking about at camp. He said to a guy

484
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: were in Fox was doing a rock camp. He turns

485
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: to a guy, he says, hey, what do you do

486
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: for a living? And guy said, I'm a doctor. And

487
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: then the weekends, I have a band. And he says

488
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: to him, and I play guitar. And Joe says, no, no,

489
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: you're a guitarist. First you do the other medical bullshit

490
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: to pay for your guitars. And it's true. A musicians

491
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: a musician. And so that's that's really what I'm about.

492
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm about teaching getting people to play with these superstars.

493
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: It will make them a better player. You saw in

494
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: the films that you become a better player, and it's

495
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: really you're living a dream. And unlike the sports fantasy

496
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: camps where they they end when you you know, thirty

497
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: five campaign athlete, you can still make a living being

498
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: a musician at sixty five seven, that you can play

499
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: a bar mits, so you can write a song, you

500
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: can be in a tribute band. And I've seen these

501
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: people graduates from my camps and just really flourish. Now

502
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: a lot of rock stars are legendary for either being

503
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: non verbal or off putting. How do you what's your

504
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: experience and how do you live in These people up

505
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: who were gunshy, who might have gotten into music because

506
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: their music would speak for them. Well, listen, this camp

507
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: could not never worked if it wasn't for um, you know,

508
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: people wanting to give back, and not every It's not

509
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: for every musician I've turned you know, people turned me down.

510
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: Remember when I first started the Door Raymond Derek and

511
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: the Door said I'm up playing with amateurs, you know,

512
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: and and people turned me down. And the way I

513
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: got it started really was I I went to see

514
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: Roger uh and Roger he had just done a tour

515
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: for me in British roc Symphony. And I did my

516
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: first camp in Florida as you see in the film,

517
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: and Um, I called Mills, Cinna called Clarence Clemence. Mills

518
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: got it. Clarence said I'll come over, and even my

519
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: love of the Beach Boys and Mark Farne. I call

520
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: everybody that I knew and then towards them and said, hey,

521
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: I got got this crazy idea. What you come And

522
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: they came, and um, I had about sixteen people, and

523
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: then I had but I had forty media people came

524
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: and uh, they came to watch and but people had

525
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: a great time. And the meeting guys to me and said,

526
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 1: you know, we were gonna blow you. We were we

527
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: were gonna, you know, write terrible things about you. But

528
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: this thing is great. We're really learning, have be fun.

529
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: And they wrote great stories. So um, then when I

530
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: want to see you know Roger, and I said to her,

531
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: I explained to him what I'm doing and he didn't

532
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: understand it. He could saying, comp what's the camp? What's

533
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: the camp? What's the camp now? Bob, I grew up

534
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: in the cast Cools. I went to camp. You know

535
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: those guys in England the word camp you know. He

536
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: said you should do with the Thompson Twins of the

537
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: village people. They the work camping in London needs something else.

538
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: So I turned him. I said, Roger, let's let me

539
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: change the subject. If you had a chance to play

540
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: with your hero. Who would you want to play with it?

541
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: You know the way he says, leave on Helm. He says,

542
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: you introduced me to leave on Helm. I'll do your can,

543
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: so now leave on. I hadn't met him through the

544
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: Ringo and he did my first ring Goo tour. I

545
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: turned to Roger, I said, you know Leean's you know,

546
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: he's not doing well financially. Said whatever you're gonna give him,

547
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna gives me give it to him. I want

548
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: to meet him. So I called leve On and said,

549
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: leve On, would you come to camp up and meet

550
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: Roger and I can get him to come to my camp. Well,

551
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: I'll be there there, I'll be there for you. And

552
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: he was so nice. He came down from what suck.

553
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: He got to meet Roger. And then Roger comes to

554
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: the camp and he starts jamming with the feeble room

555
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: after room, and then he turns to me says, what

556
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: are they gonna when when these people are performing? I said,

557
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: they're performing at the bottom line, he's not gonna jam

558
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: with each band. And he came and and I gotta

559
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: I gotta give him credit, because you know, he really

560
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Had a great experience, and he's done seven

561
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: camps for me, and um, it's been interesting for him too,

562
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: because you know, he's got to meet some great people.

563
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: When one of the campers game two hundred fifties thousand

564
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: dollars to play a Who's Song with him at at

565
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: for his charity, you know, he rodgers all about teat

566
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: cancer and uh and so he's met some great people. Okay,

567
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: let's go back to the beginning. You grow up where

568
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: I grew up in Hackinsack, New Jersey. I'm born in Manhattan.

569
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: My dad said cancer. He's a survivor of the Holocaust.

570
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: He survived out for this, he said, I book them. Well, Um,

571
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: so you know I heard the stories my whole life.

572
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: My father was one of those who talked about it.

573
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: You know, something anson't even talk about. He talks about

574
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: it every day every day. He put it in my

575
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: head about what he went through. And uh, so I

576
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: grew up basically in in Hackensack, New Jersey. Um, the

577
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: only how about your mother? What was she like? What

578
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: was her background? My mom was from Berlin. UM and

579
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: when when Hitler was taking over in Germany, her father

580
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: took his diamonds, he sewed him in his jacket and

581
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: he just said, I'm going on vacation. He took my

582
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: mom and and and my grandmother and they went to

583
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: Israel and then eventually they came to New York City.

584
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: He couldn't make a living in Israel, but he basically

585
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: he was able to sew his diamonds up and and

586
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: uh in his coat and left. My father was in

587
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, he was from Bratislava, and um he lived

588
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: as a non Jew. That was amazing. My dad lives

589
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: as a non Jew. And his brother in law was

590
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: a guy named Castetna. And I don't know if you

591
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: remember they had those videographers she those ca okay, So

592
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: that was his brother in law. So my dad learned

593
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: how to make how to print. So he lived as

594
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: he escaped from a concentration camp called Sarah. It was

595
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: a small camp and he makes his way to Budapest

596
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: and he lives as a non Jew. My dad survived

597
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: because he was blonde hair and he was blue eyed,

598
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: so he didn't look Jewish. And he called his name

599
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: Red Martin was his nickname. And he worked in a

600
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: printing press and he made false passports and I can't

601
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: tell you how many Jews. I met over the years,

602
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: so many people that he saved their lives. Um, he

603
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: made false passports and uh, it was a great Rabbi

604
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: said to me one day, he said, you know, my

605
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: whole life I made people Jews. Your dad may maybe

606
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: a non Jews maybe. Okay, just since with this deep

607
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: into it, how did your father get hurted up and

608
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: go to the concentration camp to begin with? So, Um,

609
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: he got captured. Um In the police arrested him and

610
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: in brought the slava and they rounded up him and

611
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: his father. His father they sent right away to a

612
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: camp right near Auschwitz. So that's why my dad was

613
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: trying to get to Budapest. He was trying to get

614
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: to Budapest because he wanted to get close to his father.

615
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: My dad's part of he was six brothers, six sisters,

616
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: um and uh. Five of the brothers, five of the

617
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: brothers survived and six except one Um. The other sisters

618
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: they died in the camps. And so then he got

619
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: hut up. But oh, so then he escaped the camp. Okay,

620
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: he jumped over a fence. And there's a book called

621
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: the Yellow Star that was just came out. Um. It

622
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: was written in the sixties, but they they just republished

623
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: it um and Um. It's called The Yellow Stars on

624
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: It's on Amazon, and it really tells the story about

625
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: my father and his his five friends how they survived Auschwitz

626
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: and book bold but basically how they kept My father

627
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: would get on the floor and the Nazis wouldraw these

628
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: UH cigarette butts, and he would take the cigarette us

629
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: and the part that wasn't smoked, he he put together

630
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: a cigarette and then he traded flower so he can

631
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: make matzos on Passover with water. He my father kept

632
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: a religion as much as he could in the camps,

633
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: and he gets caught. But he gets caught, Um. He

634
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: got beaten a crazy because someone told on him on

635
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: the streets in Budapest that that that man is making

636
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: false passports, and he got arrested. He goes to Auschwitz

637
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: and then he volunteers to get out of Auschwitz, to

638
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: speak to UH, to go to book and Wall, to

639
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: work in a plane factory, and he gets liberated for

640
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: the American government, Um, the American Army. Second night of Passover,

641
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: he gets liberated from book and Walter. Wow, how many

642
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: kids in the family. It's just me and my brother Joe,

643
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Joe is six years old than me. He's a rabbi

644
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: in Boca Raton. Um. He's the rock and roll fan.

645
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: He's the one that my brother is. Really. I was

646
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: a sports guy. I was. I was a sports agent.

647
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: I love sports. My brother loved rock and roll. I

648
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: remember when I got to pick up Jer Baker and

649
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: he came to camp. I said to him Ginger. Um.

650
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: I heard two words growing up, God and Ginger Baker.

651
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: My father Wou was talking about God and my brother

652
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: Joey talked about Ginger. Joey is the Yeah, he still is.

653
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: He's a rabbi and in all his congregation brings him

654
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: gold record and brings them records all day. It takes

655
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: the concerts and you know that's he loves that. And

656
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: did you take piano lessons or play an instrument? Growing up?

657
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: I tried at the piano lessons guitar, and you know what,

658
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: I was terrible, and you know, and I wanted to

659
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: be in my brother's band. And you know, because he

660
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: was a drummer, he got all the girls and he

661
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: was six years older and I couldn't do it. And

662
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, I tried to be in the band and Um.

663
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: Then my Dad turned to me and he says, get

664
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: out of the band. You know. He said, you can

665
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: book six bands a night. So it was my dad

666
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: and I booked my brother up in the castles. So

667
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: did you go to Jewish school? Did you go to

668
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: regular public school? Now? I went to the Shiva. I

669
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: want to Aschiva my whole life. And you know, I

670
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: have to both the Hebrews and English people in the

671
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: English studies. And then I went to college for about

672
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: a year. Um, it wasn't I went to Baruke in Manhattan. Um.

673
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: And then I met my first ball player. I was

674
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: twenty years old. I meet Elliot Mattics to center field

675
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: of the Yankees, and um, and I always wanted to

676
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: be a sports agent. So he introduced to Luke and

677
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: Ella and then I met Vince. Oh a little bit slower,

678
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: Let's go back to your Judaism. What is the future

679
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: of Judaism both worldwide and in America with so much

680
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: injured marriage? What's your philosophy or well that you know,

681
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: I'm very opinionate on that. I am so against into marriage, um,

682
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: only because I think that, um, it will it will

683
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: lessen the Jewish race. Um. But on the other hand,

684
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, love is important. So I'm at a stage

685
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: in my life where you know, love comes first, but

686
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't encourage into marriage. Um. But I respect everybody

687
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: to find love in their life. So uh, you know

688
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: it's um, I asked to respect it. But I think Judaism,

689
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: I think we're doing better. I think, uh um, Israel

690
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: is becoming such an incredible place. I mean, the state

691
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: of Israel, all the technology that comes out of there. There,

692
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: people are moving there. Um. You know, it's incredible. I

693
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: mean I I think Truthum is a nice city in Manhattan.

694
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's a great place to live. Okay, what

695
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: about the increased anti Semitism in America in the last

696
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: four years. It's bad and it has been bad. You know.

697
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: I live in a neighborhood here in Hancock Park where

698
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: you know they destroyed the you know the rioty. They

699
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: were you know, groth stuff on the walls of the

700
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: the synagogues and my daughter's schools. That was scary. That

701
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: was very scary. You know, I put acre out my

702
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: house because I was afraid what's going on? So you know,

703
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: anti Semitism will always be there, um. But you know, uh, well,

704
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do we we we were not

705
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna live. We're not gonna live. My dad was a

706
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: very very strong about village and about being proud of

707
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: your Judaism, proud of your religion. Um, you know it's

708
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: I remember walking to synagogue in Galveston, Texas, and and

709
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: and you know, Brocton Mats. We walked to the guy

710
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: and a guy yelled out dirty June. My father. I

711
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: never saw my father run so fast, and and he

712
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: tracked down those kids, and you know, walked into the

713
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: high school, onto Brockton High and and he told the

714
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: principal he's he was a real, real strong believer in Okay,

715
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: you're someone who wears a keep skull cap. It's you're

716
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: quite obviously Jewish. I would assume in this business and

717
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: traveling around the country, you've encouraged and you even countered

718
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: anti semitism on a regular basis. You know, I can't

719
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: I really encounter it. I know I was representing professional athletes. Um.

720
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: You know, some of the general mounagers that say, you know,

721
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: would be would be would say things to me, but

722
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they realized what they were saying. UM.

723
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: And I you know, I think I think you'll get

724
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: a kick out of this. I was, I was producing

725
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: Dirty Dancing as a live tour. And if remember I

726
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: did that tour. Uh I did it with Dennis Arfa

727
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: and came up with his constant to put Dirty Dancing

728
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: on the road. And it was huge. It was. It

729
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: was a big, big, big tour for me and UM.

730
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: It played all around the world. And I got a

731
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: phone call from the promoter in Germany. What was his name,

732
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: the Israeli guy um I just talked about the other day.

733
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: He represented UM Michael Jackson there and he called me up.

734
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: He said, David, I want to bring Dirty Dancing to Germany.

735
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: And I said, and he said, I love you half

736
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: a million dollars And I said, I'm not taking Dirty

737
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Dancing to Germany. I said, I'm not selling a show

738
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: of Germany. I said, Bob, I was raised, you wouldn't

739
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: have lots of I could if I couldn't drive a Mercedes,

740
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't drive a b W. I couldn't wear a

741
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: leather coat. If it was made in Germany, it wasn't

742
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: at my house. And so I said, no, I'm thinking

743
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: of his name. I'll think of his name. Then another

744
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: promoter calls me up and he says, David. He says,

745
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: we'll off he as seven and fifty to bring dirty

746
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: dancing to Germany. I said, I can't do it. You know,

747
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm gonna get I'm just not

748
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: doing it. And then I got a quote from a

749
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: well known lawyer in this town and he said, David,

750
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: please meet my promoter. Um he's in town. And what

751
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: really wants the big dirty dancing to Germany. Everyone knows

752
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: you're not gonna sell it, and but they take the

753
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: meeting with him. So I'm gonna get paid. You know,

754
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna speak. And the guy comes to see me

755
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: and he says it offers me a million dollars. He said,

756
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: I'll give you a million dollars to do these shows

757
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: in Germany. So I said, you know, I'll think about it,

758
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: but I'm not doing it. And I call that night.

759
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: I called my father at home. I said dead. I said,

760
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna be proud of me. I turned the million

761
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: dollars and I hear my father the on the phone.

762
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: This up. I think this, Michiga, are you not nothing

763
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: to take the money. You don't spend the money. Take

764
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: the money. And I never forget to call the guy back.

765
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: I said, okay, for a million three, we'll do it.

766
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: And um I saw I did during dancing in Germany.

767
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: So you know, listen, I've been to every synagogue around

768
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: the country. I spent the Sabbath at every rabbi kabbad house. Um.

769
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: You know what, keeping the religions probably kept me enthusiastic

770
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: all these years. It kept me away from the drugs,

771
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: It kept me away from you know, it just kept

772
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: me as much centered as I could be because I

773
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: knew that I need time off. And you know, you know,

774
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: this business is crazy, pub and crazy in the sense

775
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: that it's not reality. It's not reality. And um, you

776
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: know one thing that changed my life to two was

777
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: I did a program about twenty years ago. Um. I

778
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: was a young lady here in l A recommend me

779
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: to the hostin process and I went away to this

780
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: place and uh for seven days and you know, and

781
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: I'll never forget changed my life and really to work

782
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: on myself because I've been doing this since I'm twenty

783
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: years old, around athletes, around stars, and you gotta see reality.

784
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: It's it's hard. Okay, Uh, you go, let's go back

785
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: to the cat's skills. Was there any chance to save

786
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: the cats skills? And is there any way to resuscitate

787
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: the cats skills? The mountains, you know, the mountains we

788
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: were was a great learning place for me because first

789
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: of all it was as an agent, you have to

790
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: go at sell the docks in these hotels, in these bungalows.

791
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: But it also taught me why worked for this agency.

792
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: What they would do is they would go to Heny Youngman,

793
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: say hey, Henny, here's fifty shows guarantee for the summer,

794
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: for the ten weeks, for a Memorial Day to Labor Day.

795
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: They would do that to Freddy Roman, they would give

796
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: it and they would book them in a bungalow colony.

797
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: They would book them to open for humper dak at

798
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: the concorde Um, you know, wherever they sent you. And

799
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: that's how I got into these passage stores. I would

800
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: guarantee the money I took what I learned there. Now,

801
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: the problem with the castles was they were seving three

802
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: meals a day, and but I was the waiter up there,

803
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: and we would stuff our people so much. We'd beat

804
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: them a hundred main dishes because we knew at the

805
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: end of the week we didn't want to get a

806
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: big tip, So you know, I bring them a side

807
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: of chicken inside of turkey. You know, I just keep

808
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, and no one will order a whole portion.

809
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: I just want to side the side of this, the

810
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: side of that, and um, you would stuff them. And

811
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: now you gotta understand those comedians who worked up there,

812
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: the Freddy Roman, the Jack Carters, the Jen Murray's, none

813
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: of those those great built and growths. They have to

814
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: entertain people wait three meals a day at growth, seviers

815
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: in the concorde who stuffed themselves. And now at tenth

816
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: thirty night there was a singer would go on and

817
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: then there was a comedian and trying to make people laugh.

818
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: And you know, unlike where you buy a ticket to

819
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: a show where you know you're sitting there like you're

820
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna clap and everything. It's like doing those corporate dates

821
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: those artists. Hey, you know, I hate those corporate dates.

822
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: So those people get the show for free. So you know,

823
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: I was at a Beyonce show once and I still

824
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: have the people walked out because they didn't pay for it.

825
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: And that's a little as in the castles. They these

826
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: people sit back, Okay, did they sit back. They look

827
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: at the communities that got dat you enter tame me,

828
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: I dare you to make me laugh? And the stick

829
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: that these guys had to do and these ladies, it

830
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: was incredible. I don't think the castle will ever come back.

831
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: People don't want the three meals a day, um, but

832
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: they want the homes up there. You know, it's still

833
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: a great place to go. And I recently sold my

834
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: house up there because I couldn't sell it. I thought

835
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: gambling was going to change. Okay, so your father says

836
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: to stop playing and start booking your How old and

837
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: how extensive is your booking business before you get into sports?

838
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: So I was My booking business was basically I was

839
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: booking Jewish centers and organizations UM around the country. And

840
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: I was booking UM. I was live in Herschel. Bernardi

841
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: was my first client, and and I was booking Herschel

842
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: and UM and then in the castles. I was booking

843
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: those because the Bungalo colleagues in the hotels and uh.

844
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: And then I go into the sports business. And I'm

845
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: before you go into sports and you're going to college

846
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: one year, how how much is this a business? How

847
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: much money are you making or is it a sideline?

848
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: What is it? It's you know, making thirty dollars a year.

849
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I don't have to be a waiter.

850
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm storry to make some money. Um, booking a corporate

851
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: dates and but you know, really synagogues and and I

852
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: was making my thirty that's pretty good money back then. Yeah,

853
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't Yeah, it wasn't bad. I was always making money.

854
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: What did your parents say about you dropping out of school?

855
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: My mother was so upset at me. Um, my father

856
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: didn't have a college education. My mother was so upset

857
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: at me. And I have to share something, you know.

858
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: At the last camp, you know, and we all worked

859
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: on our childhood and our parents. It's all about our

860
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: parents where we come from. I'll stay only at the

861
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: last At the last camp, he did. He gets up

862
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: there and he says, he gets interviews and one of

863
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: the kid, I have a young kid who interviewed him

864
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: and he said to him, so, what did your parents

865
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: think when you became successful? And he says, you know,

866
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: my my mother she was so proud of me. My

867
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: father he was jealous. He still alive, my father, and

868
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: he's jealous of me. And he was jealous of my success.

869
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden I got hit. I thought

870
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: that my brother was the favorite. That he was six

871
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: years older. My brothers the rabbi. He went to college,

872
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: he went to masters. You know, he got his master's,

873
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: and you know, he was the favorite. I always walked around.

874
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: He was the favorite. And I realized that it wasn't

875
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: that my mother was jealous of me. She was jealous. Um,

876
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: I was living this good life and and you know

877
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: I had a nice home and a nice apartment out

878
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: of place in Israel, and you know that, I think

879
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: so my mother was really always upset. You can't make

880
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: it without going to college, you know, Bob. I looked

881
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: back at it, and I did go back to college.

882
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: After I did that house in process us and I

883
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 1: try to find myself. I went back. I did some years,

884
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: and I did. I went to Ford and took a

885
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: bunch of classes. And I think she's just right, you know.

886
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell my kids, now, you've got all

887
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: my kids got masters. They all get to finish college.

888
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: And yu, my my my son the other day said

889
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: you should be a lawyer. Um, I really believe in education.

890
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: But here I was. I had an opportunity too. I

891
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: was representing a baseball player twenty years old. I picked

892
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: up ll Matic and then Luke Panella. So you know,

893
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: you go to college to try to find a job

894
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: at a living and I was able to find a

895
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: living at twenty years old. Okay, how did you make

896
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: the deal to represent Elliot Maddox? So I was writing

897
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: for the the newspaper, the Jewish Press, and I was

898
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: staying in a camp in the summer, and um they

899
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: were having uh I was staying at this this camp

900
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: and Dr J showed up and all these ballplayers, um

901
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: were showing up to these camp and uh, I saw

902
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: how crazy these kids would go. And and here I

903
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: was collecting money, trying to get paid for these bungal

904
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: callbinator owners and the hotel owners, for the comedians and singers.

905
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: I sold them and they would say, they said to me,

906
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: I've been taken up twenty five hours because the singer

907
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: didn't do a song from Findler on the Roof or

908
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: the comedie wasn't funny. I said, this is crazy. I'm

909
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna book ball players. I wanna get ball

910
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: when they show up their heroes. They signed autographs and

911
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: That's when I did. I went to Elliot Mattics. I

912
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: met him at Yankees say him. I was doing an

913
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: interview I Jews in sports, and my first guy was

914
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: Ron Bloomberg. I went interview him and then I asked

915
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: if he did the appearance of the camp. He said,

916
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: he's rehabbing. He says, meet Elliot Mattics, and uh. I

917
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: went up with Elliot and I just started a business.

918
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: They said, let's start representing ballplayers together. So I opened

919
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: the little company called Elliot Mattics Enterprises. And then he

920
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: injud me to lou Pinella and uh, and then lose

921
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, really was the start of my you know,

922
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: my my start of my sports career. He introduced me

923
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 1: to Vince Ferrik. I'm out here for the dryer out here,

924
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: and you know, the one thing about ball players are

925
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: if you do a good job for them, they share

926
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: locker rooms to get other so they recommend you and uh.

927
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: And then I got still sims of the quarterback as

928
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: the Giants, and then I got the whole offensive line.

929
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: I was representing nine of the New York Giants in

930
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties six. I couldn't even take on any more clients.

931
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: You know, one team, you and nine players? So how

932
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: did you get lou? How did lose? Say? Yes? Did

933
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: he have an agent previously? No, he never had any.

934
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: Those sports guys didn't have agents. So I called Loud

935
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: to do an appearance at the camp and I picked

936
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: him up and drove him there and afterwards, let's forget.

937
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: He said, whence you come to my house? Blocker? He

938
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: gave me, He gave me twenty hours and he said

939
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: histily against and no, no, please, I don't want it,

940
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: he said. He invited me to his house and I

941
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: had my yamaghan. He said, you want to have lunch here?

942
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: I said, no, I keep kosher. But I started talking

943
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: to him and I said, do you have an agent?

944
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: He says no, and uh. I said, well let me start.

945
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to see if I'm go out

946
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: to some commercials and some appearances. And he said, go

947
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: for it, and uh, and I did. And I called

948
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: up every bank and in the town. I called bombs

949
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: close us in New York, I called wherever and the

950
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: anks were hot and you know that year and seventy

951
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: nine and uh, and Bucky Dennet just hit the home

952
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: run and William Morris's represent any Buckey den So I would, uh,

953
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: I call somebody and they bump into somebody, but they said, oh,

954
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: we're thinking of Bucky Dennet, William Mars and sad. How

955
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: much do they charge you? They said, I've got little Panela,

956
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: I'll do it for seventy five. And I pad commercials

957
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: and I hustle for little and then eventually he asked

958
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: me to negotiate his contract with George Steinbrenner. Um, and

959
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: I negotiated with George and um and again you know,

960
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: if you do great for one player, they help you.

961
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: You know, they recommend other players. Okay, you're negotiating with

962
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: George Steinbrenner. He's made all this money and shipyards and

963
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. He owns the Yankee. You're you're

964
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: a little pischer. I'm a little How do you even

965
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: do that? Are you uptight? Are you confident? There's so

966
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: much you don't know? How do you do it? What

967
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: was the experience like? So that wasn't edible because um,

968
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: you're right, I didn't know. I wasn't. I'm not a

969
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: US sportsman. Um. But what I did was I have

970
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: a philosophy negotiations there's three things to win these information,

971
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: power and time. And the the time is that George

972
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: had to sign love um or else Louis can become

973
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: a free agent, and uh, he would have lost them

974
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: to other teams. So what I did was I called

975
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: around to all the general managers in baseball and I said, hey,

976
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: I represented Luke Panella. Are you interested in it was

977
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a free agent. Now at that time, the

978
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: Yankees had until a certain time were to sign him,

979
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: Georgie sign to sign him, and um. So I remember

980
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: calling all these general managers and they all said David

981
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: was not going to leave the Yankees and George is

982
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: never gonna let him go and um. And then one

983
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: general manager split the spilled the bease with me said, uh,

984
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: he says, listen at the owners meeting last week, George

985
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: got up and said, whoever negotiates against my players, you

986
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: offer ten dollars, I'm gonna offer twenties. So don't go

987
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: after Reggie Jackson, don't go after Lucanella, don't go after

988
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: my players. When Luke called me, he saw or our Schluter.

989
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to talk, you know, he said, Well,

990
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: I worked out I'm reading with George. And I remember

991
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm in l a and um I was working with

992
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: the association too at the time. I fly down to

993
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: Florida and I'm gonna walk into this meeting with George

994
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: Diebner and I'll never forget his desk was the size

995
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: of I mean, it was a long penis. I had

996
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: to say, I mean, what he's He's at the head

997
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: of that, the head at the table, and I walk in.

998
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: He sits me down and and he basically, uh he said, well,

999
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: what do you want. I said, well, George, I'm here

1000
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: to talk about loose contract and to let him be

1001
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: a free agent. I said, you know, George, he can

1002
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: never be a free agent. You're never gonna let him go.

1003
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: You're never gonna let him go. And uh So, basically

1004
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: I was able to negotiate. I got Lou a huge contract.

1005
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: And because I basically had the information that George really

1006
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let him go. The information I had was

1007
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: time and he was in a rush to make the deal.

1008
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: And powers in the mind. I looked in there with power,

1009
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: I said, I got you know, I love these players.

1010
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: I as a fan, I loved seeing these players and

1011
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: and uh so I was really uh an advocate for them.

1012
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: You know, early on, I was an advocate for these players.

1013
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: And the great thing was that at the same time,

1014
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: I had the entertainment business going, so I wasn't desperate.

1015
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't desperate that I could negotiate a sports contract.

1016
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: You know those days. You know, I had Vince Faragamo

1017
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: and and he got um I went when he hired

1018
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: me to negotiate his contract. The agent he had before

1019
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: him was getting paid off by the by the general

1020
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: manager of the ramps. And you know, they was getting

1021
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: he was getting free tickets and they would getting um.

1022
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: He was getting a bone. He got fifteen thousand dollars

1023
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: to get Vince to sign. And you know, I hear

1024
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: I was as naive kids coming into l A. And

1025
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: you know I, you know, Vince hired me, and I

1026
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: and I you know, so I was really honest and

1027
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: straight with these guys and I and I didn't um.

1028
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't kiss up to them because but

1029
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: it's only because I had another business. You know, if

1030
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had show business, I probably wouldn't have

1031
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: been that strong get the attainment this in sports, you know,

1032
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: So the two things really helped me bounce my life. Okay,

1033
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: two things. You have pressure because these are household named

1034
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: athletes too. It's kind of like buying a car. You

1035
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: make an offer and they go berserk. You're insulting me whatever.

1036
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: You know, how did you handle that? How did you

1037
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: keep your gumption in your nerves? Well, you know it was.

1038
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: I try not to be a fan. You know, that's

1039
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: the one thing about me. I'm not a fan. I'm

1040
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: not I mean, I'm a Celtics fan. So I remember

1041
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: callably read outback about a player and I said, read, um,

1042
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: I gave you the player for free. I always want

1043
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: to win, but I you know, I was a Red

1044
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: Sox fans. I wasn't really a Yankee fan. But I

1045
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: did a lot of research. I would hire college kids

1046
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: to get me the best research. When I was negotiating contracts,

1047
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, guys to go. I hired a rabbi once

1048
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: to negotiate help me with Dave Magnet's negotiations because he

1049
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: understood from that, you know, I get to analyze baseball.

1050
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: Contracts are really analysis of a guy hits sixty two RBIs,

1051
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: another guy has sixty two r bis. My guy Maggant

1052
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: and hit sixty to r bis. But you know, sixty

1053
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: one of them the score was two to one and

1054
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: he tied it up too to two, or he took

1055
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: the lead, or you know, so they were meaningful. There

1056
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys out there who have thirty

1057
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: home runs and they hit up on the score seven two,

1058
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: so they make the score eight to two. So you know,

1059
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: you really have to do your research. And that's that's

1060
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: what it was negotiating sports contracts. Okay, there was a

1061
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: long time where people had the lead contracts in terms

1062
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: of compensation. What was your philosophy? So, um, yes, there

1063
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: were many contracts that. Uh. I was a believer that

1064
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: I put a lot of my players into annuities. Um.

1065
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: Back then you were able to to, you know, get

1066
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: the team to pay the money into annuity and or else.

1067
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: I recommended my players to get anuities. And you know

1068
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: about I don't know. Fifteen years ago, I got a

1069
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: call from a player here in l A and he said, David,

1070
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: I gotta check in the mail for house. And I said,

1071
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that check every month for the next

1072
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 1: thirty years of your life. And I was a big, big,

1073
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: big fan of that because I was I knew that

1074
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: their careers were gonna end. And I and I, while

1075
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: I never did any financial management, I always made sure

1076
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: they had their own accountants, they have their own lawyers.

1077
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be and I didn't want to

1078
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: manage it because I saw too many players soothe their

1079
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: agents for handling the money. You know, when Louis the

1080
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: general manager of the Yankees, he told me a story

1081
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: that Ricky Henderson's agent, uh call you know, Lucas the

1082
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: call from the accountant at the Yankees and said, hey,

1083
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: lou h, you signed Ricky, but he didn't cash his

1084
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: check for billion dollars sigimones and the years gone by,

1085
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: and he told him to check. And Louke call them.

1086
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: Calls up the agent, he says, and the guy says, well,

1087
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: don't um. He says, you got our check. So I

1088
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: got the check right here. Ricky is gonna deposited, you know,

1089
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: and we know what we're gonna do with it. So

1090
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: I knew that wasn't my forte. My forte was go

1091
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: out and make them money. I didn't want to manage

1092
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: their money, but I always kill them. You've gotta have

1093
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: few money in your career, and it's gonna end. Your

1094
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: career is gonna end. It's not show business. And even

1095
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: in show business, you know you're gonna have to protect yourself.

1096
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: And so they all have done well. Okay to touch

1097
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: with them all today. Okay. In sports, what was the

1098
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: agents deal with the athlete? Financially? It was three and um,

1099
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: you know you get three percent of the contract percent

1100
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: on the merchandizing. And you know for years, you know,

1101
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: I was William Marts and CIA who are now doing

1102
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: great with sports, they would never do those deals. Um,

1103
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: they would never did sports. They never they never did

1104
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: because they didn't they said, how can we charge an

1105
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: artist ten percent? And uh, how can we charge of

1106
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: ten percent and then charge a ballplayers represent until they

1107
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: woke up one day and said, there's a lot of

1108
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: money in sports. There's a lot of money in sponsorship

1109
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: and uh but yeah they no one was doing it.

1110
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: I was the only one doing at payment in sports.

1111
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: I didn't care. I liked it. There's also an issue

1112
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: with Sunset clauses and getting paid. What was your experience

1113
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: with that? You know, you make a five year deal

1114
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know how your contract for structure,

1115
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: but you have our problems getting paid or getting paid

1116
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: on sunset clauses or anything like that. So I used

1117
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: to treat these ballplayers as artists, you know, I called

1118
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: them every day. I feel the relationship of many many

1119
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: athletes agents that you know, they would negotiate the contract

1120
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: and then they wouldn't you know, talk to player three

1121
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: years later, and they were upsetting hundreds of guys. And

1122
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: that's the way the business was. I treated my my artists,

1123
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: my athletes as artists because that's where I learned to

1124
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: do it, you know, whether it's the castles or music act.

1125
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: And so I really I never had a problem getting paid. Um.

1126
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: But you know you you know when you got paid,

1127
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: they paid to December. That's when they would write to

1128
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: check out. So I had no cash flow and that

1129
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: was rich in December and I got stuck paying the taxes,

1130
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: you know. So that's why the entertainment business for me,

1131
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: I was doing this tours simultaneously. Now, having the tours,

1132
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: having the music and the sports really helped. For For example,

1133
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: when when Phil Simms, uh he was doing a speaking engagement,

1134
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: well to start with Luponella he was doing, I got

1135
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: him an endorsement with members only, UM. The jackets. So

1136
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: then I said to the little I said, he speak

1137
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: to the president. I'm doing this tour with the turtles

1138
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: and the grassroots happening. He goes, I want to get

1139
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: his corporate sponsor. So Lose says to the guy, Hey,

1140
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: why don't you sponsor Glavias tour? What my tours called

1141
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: members only. I was the first one doing this. I

1142
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: I went to Phil Sims and he was sitting next

1143
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: to the president of of Chunky Monkey for Chunky's uh

1144
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: in the bisco whatever. No, that wasn't a bisco was

1145
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: not hers. She's let's go. He was doing a personal

1146
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: parents And I turned to sell I said, still asked

1147
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: the guy got the monkeys going out, maybe he can,

1148
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, sponsor the tour, and Phil saying, my my agent, David,

1149
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: what he's doing the monkeys? I got? I thought I

1150
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: got tours sponsorship. Um, I was a ballplayers that got

1151
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: had it. My favorite one is I was doing the

1152
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: American Gladias Live Tour and I was desperate to find

1153
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: the corporates. My my business was the way I did

1154
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: the tours was I find a corporate sponsor, then I

1155
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: would create the tour. I would basic create the tour,

1156
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: find a corporate sponsor, then go to an agency like

1157
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: William Morris and CIA, and and then I would um,

1158
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, and then and then I would UM. So

1159
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: I had five revenues. I had the corporate of the

1160
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: corporate sponsor to William R. City with book the date.

1161
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: I made money on the merchandise. I made money on

1162
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, you sound the lights, you staid an extra

1163
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: because he's a charge on the contracts extra sound lights.

1164
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: And then there was already percentages. I would make money

1165
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: and that was my business model. And that's how I

1166
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: created all these tours before Live Nation, before CIA and UM.

1167
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: But it was the sports that brought me these deals.

1168
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: And UM, I never forget. I was doing the Sumeric

1169
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: Gladia Tour and I was desperate to get a corporate

1170
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: sponsor because you know, you need a sponsor to fund them.

1171
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: And UM, I got a call from Rock Road. He

1172
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: was a sportscaster in New York, and he said, you know,

1173
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: we want to interview you for a sports show to

1174
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: talk about the UM, to talk about Phil sims Is

1175
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: having a UM. I think it was Bruner. He was

1176
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: another quarterback. Bill parcels Uh kicked the other quarterback and

1177
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: he says, will you go on? And I never went

1178
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: on the air talk sports because you know, what do

1179
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: I know about sports compared to these players? And I said,

1180
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: I'll do it because about one condition that you asked

1181
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 1: me about. You know, you asked me about my Merk

1182
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: Gloody and Live tour. So I showed up to the

1183
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: studio and I see the last question. It says, if

1184
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: there's time on the on the on the monitor asked

1185
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: him about us the Berke Glady Live Tour, and so

1186
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: he helpened up the show itself. I guess the David

1187
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: Fish talking about the quarterback controversy here in New York,

1188
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: and uh David to tell us about the controversy. And

1189
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: I turned to the guy and I said, Rock, I

1190
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: said this, it's no difference in the Merk Bloody and

1191
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: Live tour that I'm doing this summer. And I'm telling

1192
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: you you got Phil Sims going against up Bruner and

1193
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: there and they want to win the and who's gonna

1194
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: be the number one quarterback? And by the way, I'm

1195
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: looking for a sponsor. The next day, a guy calls

1196
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: he from seven eleven. I heard you on the sports

1197
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: show last night, and he says, I want to buy

1198
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: this and he took me on and he said, I'm

1199
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna buy it from a Coca Cola buy for me.

1200
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: And that's how I got corporate sponsorship. How did you

1201
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: get out of sports? So by the time I was

1202
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: I was doing the Monkeys and that was six and

1203
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: it was great, and I kept doing it. Um, I

1204
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: got out of sports. I guess when when I did?

1205
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: Still since this contract as a broadcaster, um, and then

1206
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: most of my players started to retire and they quit.

1207
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: You know, I um barbaro and I did. I did

1208
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: lose a lot of contract when Cincinnati read, but it

1209
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: was just too much, you know. And you know I

1210
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: cared about I care about the guy. I care about

1211
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: all my clients. And you know, the other day I

1212
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: was having a year ago, I was having lunch with

1213
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: Tom Consolo, the great manager say Hagarn, and we were

1214
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: talking about, um, you know, the old days, how it

1215
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: was and when we were you know, we were there,

1216
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: but we weren't there our family life and and you

1217
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: know he said and wronged me. I was never there

1218
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: growing up with my kids earlier. I mean, I don't

1219
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: feel guilty, but I was always worried about this client.

1220
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: And that client, and so you know, it was it

1221
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: was skinning a lot. I was a lot of ballplayers,

1222
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: so I started so too. Once once my players retired, Um,

1223
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: then I was gonna, you know, staying Nio entertainment full time.

1224
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: And I was single, and I just just it was

1225
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: it was the time for me to leave. And and uh,

1226
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: I didn't want to recruit these young kids. I didn't

1227
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: relate to the young kids anymore. And so I was

1228
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: basically it and I thought, you know, let me just

1229
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: do entertainment. Okay, can you delegate or do you have

1230
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: to do it. I tried to delegate, and you know,

1231
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: it's hard, and they it's hard to delegate. I'm doing

1232
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: it now with with Britt and she's great. Um, I

1233
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: gotta find some good people. And you know there's no question, Uh,

1234
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: this rock camp is is really gonna get big. I

1235
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: think the film, I'm seeing what's happening, and I gotta

1236
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: find some people. I gotta find an organization to partner with.

1237
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: I gotta find somebody that, um that I could trust

1238
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: that I can. You know, when I did that Dirty

1239
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: Dancy tool it Denni's our front. We were partners. That

1240
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: was incredible. Bob. You know, I had a partner that

1241
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: that we were twenty four seven done. It's a hard worker.

1242
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: We we've made a lot of money and we have

1243
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: fun doing it. So I really want to find somebody

1244
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: that that can really work with me, and we'll just

1245
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: willing to do the touring because I want to put

1246
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: rock Camp back on the road. Let's say I say

1247
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: tomorrow we're gonna take your phone away. You can stay

1248
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: in your house. Your family is going to be out

1249
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: on vacation. Is that torture or is that Godhead? It's torture.

1250
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: I like to be around the kids, you know. I

1251
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: love being around the family, and and you know, well,

1252
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: let's make it more about business. Are you the type

1253
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: person who makes a hundred phone calls a day? Or

1254
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: are you the type person of God? I don't want

1255
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: to talk to him. No, I like to work. I

1256
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: like to work. You know I wanted, but I'm not

1257
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: talking about work. I guess. Are you don't really a

1258
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: people person? You only thrive when you're interacting with people?

1259
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Yes? Yes totally. I love people. I

1260
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: love talented people. I love people. Um yeah, I need people. Okay, monkeys?

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01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: Why so in n six. I I'm you know, I'm

1262
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: staying in a hotel and in Kansas City, and the

1263
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: phone and I was in this room at two o'clock

1264
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: from when I couldn't sleep and the Monkey TV show

1265
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: comes on and I said, wow, that's the show I remember,

1266
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: and I remember the monkeys because that was able to

1267
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: show my parents let me watch on television. You know,

1268
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: my dad was direct and they didn't want me to

1269
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: watching the garment. They call it the direct. Do you

1270
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: have the word direct? What are your doing? So they wouldn't.

1271
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: They only show that, let me watch for the monkeys.

1272
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: So now I decided to call up. I checked out

1273
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: Peter Torque, he's teaching, he's teaching music lessons and I

1274
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: was look at card teacher on the west side. So

1275
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: I invited to come to my to Ron Delsis show

1276
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: that we were doing at the Pier and he's sitting

1277
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: at the side of the stage and I said him,

1278
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: I said, um, Peter, this is what I'm doing. I'd

1279
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: love to put the monkeys back together. So he tells me, um,

1280
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: he comes to show and he's loving and he's tapping

1281
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: and seeing. And then the next morning we got together

1282
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: and I said, hate me to meet. Can I meet

1283
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: the other guys he's out taking anyone. Let's go meet

1284
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: Mickey and let's go meet dating. So it's nineteen eighties,

1285
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: six eighty five, eighty five, and so I find out

1286
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: first of all that they don't own the name the Monkeys.

1287
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Um. So I had to go

1288
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: to Columbia Pictures and I had to get the name

1289
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: for the name the Monkeys. So I call up the

1290
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: guy the West Coast and he says to me, you

1291
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: gotta call this guy in New York Licensing Department day

1292
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: on the day they control the monkeys, and said, okay.

1293
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: So I called the guy up and he says, to

1294
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: the fish, up, take me to a take me to

1295
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: a baseball game. He says, uh, I know who you are,

1296
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,479
Speaker 1: and I want to I want to go to a Yankee.

1297
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: So I take them to a Yankee game. I call

1298
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: up lou and I said, Luke, I said, I'm bringing

1299
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: you guys. Will call me a pictures. Can you give

1300
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: a baseball bat and the ball inside the ball before

1301
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: he's a strugging, no problem. I bring the guy to

1302
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: the game and I bring him on the field and

1303
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden Reggie Jackson and fucking Dent and

1304
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: all these players are coming over to me, heaving me

1305
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: baseballs and signed baseballs and baseball globs. And I needed

1306
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: garbage back to put all this stuff in there for

1307
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: the guy. So um, I said to Bobby Mercer was

1308
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: my client, and said, Bobby, tell me what what's going

1309
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: on here? Why are all these guys coming on with me? Said? Well,

1310
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: Lou got up at the in the in the club

1311
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: bounces that are my agents, fish offers come with the project,

1312
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: probably of pictures, and and I gart so go to

1313
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: him and his friend, and all these guys came over.

1314
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: They all want to be a show business, you know.

1315
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: And uh so this guy was like blown away. We

1316
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: said the game and I turned him and I said,

1317
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: I want to buy the name the Monkeys. Let's want

1318
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: to rent it for a year. And he said, David,

1319
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: no one's used the name in twenty years. He says,

1320
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: what do you want to give me? I said, you know,

1321
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: give me five thous and and you know you can

1322
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: have the name. So my bird, and that was just then.

1323
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: I've put the other tour the Monkeys that that's gonna

1324
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: be my third Halfit together to the monkeys, the hermit Hermits,

1325
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: the grassroots and Gary Puckett and the Unique Gap and

1326
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: I'll sill be my package and I'm gonna put it

1327
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: out that summer. Unbeknownst to me, I'm in seventeen seventy five. Broadly,

1328
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm sharing office space with Gary Curfiss, the lake Gary

1329
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: curves in front of me. I have um Blondie's walking

1330
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: by my office all day, and I'm seeing the Ramones

1331
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: the B fifty because the other side of the office

1332
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: was was Chef Chef Gordon was up there. We're all

1333
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: in this guy Bert Fidel's office and um, you know

1334
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: what did they meet? Loost managers were there. Everybody was

1335
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: up in that office, and m I'm on the seventies

1336
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: seventy five, so I'm going up and down the elevators

1337
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: of Bob Pittman and Tom Freston. And now you know

1338
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: these days since since wasn't playing as great, you know

1339
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: those before a six, you know, so people walk around

1340
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: the street. They would see me with my jamaica. They

1341
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: even said that sins. You know, we lost the bet.

1342
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: You know, people were nasty in New York, you know,

1343
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, a gentleman calls up from

1344
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: Billboard back and he says, did you hear the MTV

1345
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: is gonna be airy twenty four hours the Monkeys? And

1346
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: I said no, And I said, well, I'm gonna go

1347
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: up stairs. I run up stairs to Bob Pittman's office

1348
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: and I said, Mr Pittman, Hi, I'm David Fishing. We

1349
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: always see each other the ell you have the sports

1350
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: stag and sit down. How can I help you? I said, well,

1351
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing the Monkeys as a summer tour. He's not

1352
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: telling you the sports. I said, I do sports, but

1353
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing the Monkey, said I do this package.

1354
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: He's I'll make a deal with your kids. He says, uh,

1355
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: you you mentioned my new fledging network, MTV in all

1356
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: your ads as seen on MTV, and I'm gonna promote

1357
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: you on television and you know and and TV. That's

1358
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: a great He announces my tours. I go on sale

1359
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: and I was selling at the time three thousand seeds

1360
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: to Happen together tours. We do the nether Lands, all

1361
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: the Empithuds. We're gonna sell in Chicago, Pine Pine, and

1362
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: we do pineab in Detroit, Possla Creek. I still have

1363
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: h twenty eight thousand tickets in in Chicago. Can you

1364
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: imagine I'm going for one year doing three thousands, twenty

1365
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: eight thousands Pineab We saw two Pineabs. We sell out

1366
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand night there. We sell out Texas Stadium, We

1367
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: sell out everywhere. It's this is crazy. It's all these

1368
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: little girls coming home and the and the mothers said,

1369
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: where were you all night? Mommy? I was in live

1370
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: buying monkey tickets. What do you mean I want to go?

1371
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: So these girls didn't know that the Monkeys are an

1372
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 1: all band. So the mothers came and they bought tickets

1373
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: for the first fifty rows with the Monkeys. Well, it

1374
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: was incredible. It was so over my head. But I,

1375
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, I lucked out. I was paying them salaries.

1376
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: I put him in busses. Um, and then I eventually, um,

1377
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, we became we made a partnership when my

1378
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: contract was over. Then I booked them in that the

1379
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: following tour. And how about Ringo? How do you uh

1380
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: come up with you all star band tours? So um,

1381
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: then after I did Dirty Dancing, I did that as

1382
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: a live tour, and um, the president of PEPSI came

1383
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: to me and he said, you know, we love what

1384
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: you do, and um, we want to sponsor the next tour.

1385
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: It's the twenty fifth Anniversary's Gunny malapottas she came up

1386
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: with the Pepsi generation. So he said to me, uh,

1387
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: we want to sponsor your next tour and um, so

1388
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: come up with some ideas. And I went back to

1389
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: him with the idea of I have an idea to

1390
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: ring on the All Star band and uh, he's what

1391
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: do you want? And so I want a million dollars

1392
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: and he said, um, he said, uh, a million dollars. Okay,

1393
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: I'll make a deal with you. I'll give you a

1394
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: million dollars to spots to you next tour, but I

1395
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: want to make the next million and uh and then

1396
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: we'll do fifty fifty yes, okay. I don't offer a

1397
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: million dollars in my hands. And that's why I wrote

1398
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: the Rainbow Star and I said, I have an offer

1399
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: for a million dollars. What you do the tour and

1400
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: do a tour? It was All Star band. And I

1401
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: went over there and I got to meet him and uh,

1402
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: Rose Lawyer a letter and says come on over. I

1403
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: go over to England and back in those days didn't

1404
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: have cell phones. And I remember taking all my Beatle

1405
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: books with me reading it. And he didn't tell me

1406
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: when he's gonna when I'm gonna get in there, said,

1407
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: you're doing in there once, you know, for one of

1408
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: these days, I'll call you in your room and you'll come.

1409
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: I never left my room and I'm reading all these

1410
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: Beetle books. I've only got a call Friday morning to

1411
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: come to his office. And I went to those office

1412
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: and I um pitched him on the idea. I walked

1413
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: in with a radio commercial, you know, one those spots

1414
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: It's coming love. I've been concert, you know. I wanted

1415
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 1: him to see what my vision was. I brought an

1416
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: ad and uh he turned to it and I was

1417
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing and he was he was thinking

1418
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: the same thing, and so uh, that's how I came

1419
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: up with the idea, and we we made a deal.

1420
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: And what was more entice? What closed the deal? He

1421
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: hadn't been on the road for all. Was it being

1422
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 1: on the road and playing or was it the money? No,

1423
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: I don't think it was the money. I think it

1424
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: was I think because they have to pay all those

1425
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: taxes in England. I think the money made it real

1426
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: to him that I'm gonna guarantee the money naturally, you know,

1427
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it was to him as emplawyer and

1428
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: business manager. The money, you know, the money money shows love,

1429
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, so it should. You know how many of

1430
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: these artists today they really need the money. You're paying

1431
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: the money, but many of them, you know, they want

1432
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: the money, but I think the money it types them

1433
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: that I was real, you know, I bet you. So

1434
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: many people contact and said, hey, I want to manage

1435
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: you and come on the road, and you'll make this

1436
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: and make that. You know, you put a check in

1437
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: front of someone's face, it makes a big difference. So um,

1438
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: I offered him the million dollars, and the million dollars

1439
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: was net to him, notting. I know, I took my million.

1440
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: That was my idea, and I said, I'm going to

1441
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: give it to him, and then I'll whatever i make

1442
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: on the tour. Um you know, I'll get my paid.

1443
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: I'll get paid. I'll get paid, you know. That was

1444
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: the Positively. The deal with Pepsi was fifty fifty on

1445
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: the profit. So the current I took that advance that

1446
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: I got from Pepsi, and I gave that toringdo and so,

1447
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: and then then came by. I wrote names of bands

1448
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: of you know, band members. I did some reason a

1449
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: couple of things slowly. Sure he was a million dollars

1450
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: as much as Ringo was gonna make or was there

1451
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,759
Speaker 1: any upside for window? Well, in the end he wanted

1452
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: more money and I gave him. I to give him

1453
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: more money, and um, and I guaranteed a certain amount

1454
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 1: of shows. You know, I think I remember how many shows?

1455
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: Was twenty five shows? And um, you know it was

1456
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: twenty five shows at the time, and um, but I

1457
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: think there was I remember what the concept of the

1458
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: all star band that was totally yours. It was my idea.

1459
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: And Ringo said to me that morning, I was thinking

1460
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: the same thing, and how did you come up with

1461
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: that idea? Okay, so my brother, My brother was a

1462
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: drummer and he idolized range Star and uh, I was Bob.

1463
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: I wake up every morning thinking of the new idea.

1464
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 1: I can't you know. I go through these books, these

1465
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: Billboard books. I look for talent. I'm always thinking. My

1466
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: brain does style. So I love rock Wall Fantasy Camp.

1467
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: Every day. It keeps me. Hey, let me call Abby

1468
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: Rode Studios. Let's do a camp there. Let's you know,

1469
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking. I'm always thinking. And you know, the

1470
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: minute I stopped thinking, stuffy passion, I quick. But you know,

1471
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: so I like these package tours and and to and

1472
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: to get when you get a company like PEPs, he says,

1473
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: we love what you're doing. You use Mountain dew and um,

1474
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: you know it gives you validation, validation that you know

1475
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: what you're doing. So, um, I was motivated. And uh

1476
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: he hadn't been on the road. And and I was

1477
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: a big Stan by the way, I loved Yellow Submarine

1478
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: and all my friends, they were my favorite. So for

1479
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 1: my bro Joe, he was the drummer. He had alized

1480
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: rain Go, So you know, Joey was my incentive. And

1481
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,839
Speaker 1: uh so that was it. And how did you decide

1482
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: on the other members of the band. So the other

1483
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: members of the band. I gave my ideas. But then

1484
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: he decided when he saw that this is gonna be real,

1485
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: he called up Joe Walsh and he said we could

1486
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: join my band. He called lev On Helm, he called

1487
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:27,759
Speaker 1: rit Rick Danko, Um, I think he called I called Mills,

1488
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: I called Clarence. You know, I made my list and

1489
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, Billy Preston and together we put it together

1490
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: and and it was brilliant. It was it was it

1491
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: was really it was so much. So was magic. It

1492
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: was really magic that that that tour, and that was

1493
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: that was the tour. That was that was the magical tour. Okay,

1494
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: you know as well as I that as well as

1495
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: me that, Uh, people get star struck. So you're in

1496
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: the room with Ringo. Are you star struck? Are you nervous?

1497
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: Or he's just another guy? You and me both. No,

1498
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: you can't be a fan that turns them off. But

1499
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: what's going on through your head? I was never a fan,

1500
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 1: you know. I was a fan of the Monkeys, you know,

1501
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: but I realized once I met people, I would be disappointed. So, um,

1502
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: I was a Neil Diamond fan. You know. I grew

1503
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: up and if you see that movie the the Jazz

1504
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: Singer and uh, you know I saw thirty times. I

1505
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: fly down to Florida first class and fly him coach

1506
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: because I come wanting to watch that. Still that's my story.

1507
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: You know. I'm a cantus on. I do pray to

1508
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: high holidays. My dad got sick and and then I

1509
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: cut the meat. Neil Diamond. I walked into the deli.

1510
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: He was sitting there with Larry King at uh what

1511
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: was that deli? Umh ny? Now I walked to name

1512
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: how every morning Larry King had breakfast Larry King and

1513
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: then Neil Diamond and I sat down next to him,

1514
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: and I like, I was mesmerized. And I realized the minute,

1515
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: you know, you know, it just I he was the

1516
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: only guy that I was really mesmerized to meet one day.

1517
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: And then I got disappointed. So no, I wasn't um

1518
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 1: with me. It's not it's not mesmerized by these people.

1519
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: I just respect their counts. And I said, I can't

1520
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: get on stage and do that. And no, I'm not

1521
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: really MESMERI right, but I am. Listen Bringo star, no

1522
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: question about it, you know. I mean it's a beatle

1523
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 1: and I can see the way people reacted, and there

1524
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: the questions that people ask the all day. Um. But

1525
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, they all put their feet and they put

1526
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: their clothes on the same way, and they're more talented

1527
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: that way. But I've never start stuff. Okay, all of

1528
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: us have met it, you know, in the bus met

1529
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Hey, is there anybody you haven't

1530
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: met who you would like to meet be anybody above

1531
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: and beyond. I mean it's like Steven Tyler. Okay, he's

1532
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: Steven Tyler in real life. He's not only that guy

1533
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: on stage. And it's very because mostly people it's two

1534
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: different people. He really lives up to the image. So

1535
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: is there anybody you haven't met or a couple of

1536
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: people go wow? I mean what inexperience? You know. I

1537
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: gotta tell you. The interesting thing is the English I can.

1538
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: I want to tell you share to the difference between

1539
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: the English stars and the and the American rock stars.

1540
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: The the English stars, it's a business. Bill Wyman, I'm

1541
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: going to work. Roger Dolph, I'm gonna work. Nick Jagger,

1542
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work. This is a job. Their fathers were

1543
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,560
Speaker 1: labors and they go to be a rock stars is

1544
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: a job. The American guys they want to be, you know,

1545
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 1: they think they have to leave that crazy life. So

1546
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: it's really a difference. Am I mesmerized? I'm not mesmerized

1547
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: as much as I'm m I'm not star struck, but

1548
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 1: I do respect to be in the presence of Roger Daltrey.

1549
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I love him. I think that what he

1550
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: did get on that stage and do what they do.

1551
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 1: Um or the or the songs that they people have written.

1552
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: You know, I just respect them. That's so I love camp.

1553
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: I get to meet all these great people. But some

1554
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: people I wish I didn't me. Okay, So you keep

1555
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: mentioning Roger Daltrey. You know there's business friends and they're

1556
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 1: real friends. Are any of these musicians you real friends?

1557
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: He would talk about you know what happened this day?

1558
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: You'd call in between camps? Or is it really business

1559
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: with all these people? Well, it's always business. It's all business.

1560
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: But I have to tell you when a nine eleven happened.

1561
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm in New York. My first phone call came from

1562
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: Roger Doltree. How's your family? So? He, to me is

1563
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: a real friend. And we've had you know, listen, we've

1564
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,480
Speaker 1: had huge fights, him and I. You know, we've had disagreements.

1565
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: Um and I remember writing him a long letter because

1566
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: I was upset at him. Um. No, most you know,

1567
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,520
Speaker 1: I would say, it's all business with most people, but um, Rogers,

1568
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: he's just different than all of them. You know, he

1569
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: calls me after a camp, How was that? How was

1570
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 1: that guy? How did he enjoy it? He? Yeah, he's

1571
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: he's got a different heart than all of them. Okay,

1572
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: so why did you decide to make the movie The

1573
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: Rock Camp Moving? So I decided to do it because, Um,

1574
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 1: Jeff Broke approached me from UM who was you know

1575
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: rand Randy h One for a while and and he

1576
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: was he He approached me and he said, um, you know,

1577
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: he came to see the camps. So we hadn't seen

1578
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: each other a long time. He went to work with

1579
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: um Bob Pittman a O L. And he went to

1580
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: the NBC and and he can't see the camp. He see,

1581
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 1: you know, you should do this as a film, And

1582
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: I I said, on one condition, I don't want to

1583
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: be in the film. I said, I don't want to

1584
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 1: have anything to do with it. I said, you talked

1585
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: about the rock cards of the people. You know. It's

1586
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: one thing I did learn from Ringko. Every time I

1587
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: go to him with an interview, he said, oh, give

1588
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: it to Nils, give it to Billy Preston. He always

1589
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: wanted to give it to everybody else. He wanted it

1590
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 1: to be a band decision. And last thing I needed

1591
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: was more publicity. Um, you know, I got kids. I

1592
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: want to marry a moha, I got grandkids and the

1593
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: last thing I needed more publicity and and um But

1594
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: what happened was that they all came back and they

1595
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,839
Speaker 1: wanted me to be in it and tell the story.

1596
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I'll do this. And what what

1597
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 1: really motivated me to do it was yeah, many times, Bob,

1598
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: do you go to a film and you see the trailer,

1599
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: You see the trailer and you love the trailer, and

1600
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: then obviously you see the film and you're so disappointed. Um.

1601
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: Or you go to a concert and how many trying

1602
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: to go to a concert and an artist starts playing

1603
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: his new music. I can't stand that. But I felt

1604
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: I can never tell the story about this rock camp

1605
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: and it's frustrating. It to a thirty minute commercial, one

1606
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: minute curse. But the magic is once to go into

1607
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: those you go into that into that magical for four

1608
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: and eights of rock camp and it's totally different. So

1609
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to show us for the film.

1610
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: I want to show you how credible your friend Jene

1611
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: Simmons is that he comes to a camp. You know

1612
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: that we could have a long conversation. But but but

1613
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: before we yet the gene when was the movie idea hatched?

1614
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: How much did it cost and who paid for it?

1615
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: Five years ago? It was hatched five six years ago.

1616
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: It was funded by Campers. I went and raised money,

1617
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 1: UM and Jonah, Jeff Campers, you know, the best of

1618
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: the money in it and cost over a million dollars. UM.

1619
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't supposed to cost that. I'll never make a

1620
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: film again, UM, but it was. You know, basically, it

1621
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: was very expensive, UM because it needed creatitors. Jeff didn't

1622
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: take a penny until its UM. The artist all did

1623
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: it for me. UM, and they were great in the

1624
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: film and m but I'm hoping that we're gonna you look,

1625
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: here's the biggest problem with rock Camp. Do you know

1626
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: people scared to come? So you know, yeah, you have

1627
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: you advertised Jeff Beck and I lost forty grands. How

1628
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: can you lose money? I have the greatest guitar player

1629
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: in the world there because everyone, you know, they're they're

1630
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: afraid to come. I'm not Jemmy with Jeff Beck and

1631
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: they're they're scared. So that's the je is the best ever.

1632
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 1: But I want to acknowledge that. But let's go back.

1633
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: What was your goal in making the film? Was it

1634
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 1: more of an advertisement to spread the word or did

1635
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: you want to make money? I want to make money.

1636
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: I I wanted to show what it went done. I

1637
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: want to show how people say. Well, I really want

1638
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: to show that at any age, you could take any idea.

1639
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: You want to be a musician, you want to write

1640
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: a book, you want to create an app. I wanted

1641
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: it to be to any age people could see a

1642
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 1: thirty years old that it's not too late to do

1643
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: relive your dream. And um, that's really why why I

1644
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: wanted the film made. So Okay, the film comes out

1645
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: on v O Day, it's plays theaters, but we're in COVID.

1646
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: Hey why did you release it at this particular time?

1647
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: B Did you think about making a deal with Amazon

1648
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: or Netflix so that people didn't have to pay for

1649
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: or maybe that's coming. I don't know. Okay, so we

1650
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: released Typicals. We finally finished it, and uh and we

1651
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: had to. We wanted to get it out and uh

1652
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: and I think it's a great time to get the

1653
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: film out because you know, the country needs It's unlike

1654
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: any other you know, it's not a film like like

1655
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: behind the music. You know, band makes it big and

1656
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: then they build all their money and then they go

1657
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: back again. So it's not one of those didn't want

1658
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: to make that kind of film. Um. I didn't getting

1659
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: interest in the beginning for Netflix or Amazon that would

1660
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: have paid from enough for the film. And um, you know,

1661
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 1: I we went to Netflix, but they weren't buying at

1662
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: the time. And and I tell you and I also

1663
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,560
Speaker 1: thought about Amazon about Netflix is here. I saw the

1664
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: Bruce Spring scene UM film on Broadway. It was great,

1665
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: but you saw that they promoted for two days, three

1666
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: days and minutes over here I can I got to

1667
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:32,440
Speaker 1: go with the movie theaters. I got critics to see it. Um,

1668
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm ninety two on Rotten Tomatoes. Um, and now gonna

1669
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: go v O D is gonna go to Apple and

1670
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: the February sixties and Amazon and then and I didn't

1671
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,799
Speaker 1: release it around the world yet, just here in America,

1672
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: and then slowly I want to roll it out because

1673
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: I want to do camps in England and South America

1674
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: and in Japan and Australia. I want to take this

1675
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: thing globally. So I wanted to go slowly with it

1676
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: and see the reaction. And so it's been. It's it's

1677
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: quite interesting, a new world for me, it's a new world.

1678
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: On a business perspective, I thought it was a great

1679
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: streaming flick for one of the platforms, primarily Netflix. I

1680
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: look at the Motley Crew film, which was sort of

1681
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 1: a cartoon. I'm not the biggest Crew fan, but I

1682
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: enjoyed the film and word spreads. Of course. The best

1683
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: example of this was in the eighties with Eddie and

1684
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: the Cruisers. Was middling film in the theaters and it

1685
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: played on HBO. Blew up, Well that's hoping is gonna happen? Yeah, okay,

1686
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: let's go back. You said you had sixteen paying customers

1687
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: at the first Rock camp. Needless to say, you lost money.

1688
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: You're regrouped, and you said what So I okay, So

1689
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: I did that camp and get all this press media

1690
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: comes out and I found an investor for the first

1691
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: time right away. He didn't want to do it. And

1692
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm at the Pulse Star convention in the year two

1693
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: thousand and they're playing a game who Wants to Be

1694
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: a Millionaire? With Tommy Lee, Tommy Shaw, and Sammy Hagar.

1695
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: I think that was the three are up there and

1696
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 1: it here at the right across street on Hollywood Highland

1697
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: at Hotel and they're asking. One of the questions was

1698
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: who created rock and roll Fence Camp. David Bowie, David Byrne,

1699
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: David Fishop, and I think it was Tommy Show, Sam

1700
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: Diego yells up David Fishop. I said, these guys remember

1701
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: that camp I did, and I've done it four years ago.

1702
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, then I got a call

1703
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: from Eric Sherman, who was running bach on Classic, and

1704
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: he said, you know, we'd love to do that camp.

1705
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 1: We we got, we really want to, you know, get

1706
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: behind you on it and we'll run commercials. So that's

1707
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: when I decide do it again. I I called up

1708
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: Brett Michaels. I think I know where I met Brett,

1709
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: but I meant. And then George Starroger came to a

1710
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: Ringo show. I called these people that I met at

1711
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: Root Ringdow shows, um and uh called these artists uff

1712
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: to come in and I said, hey, would you do

1713
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: my rock roll Fence Camp. I'm gonna do it. Do

1714
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: it here in l A. And I did a S

1715
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: I R and and they came, and you know, Brett

1716
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 1: was great, and people came. I advertised it. I did, Okay,

1717
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: that's vatro Coxey. They gave me ads. It was great.

1718
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: I did well. Okay. How much did you lose on

1719
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: the first one? How about a hundred fifty thousands? Okay?

1720
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: Was the second one profitable to you? It made about

1721
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: fifty thousand, and I worked a whole year on it. Yeah, okay,

1722
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 1: So the second one was the earlier part of this

1723
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: century subsequent to then. How many of you done and

1724
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:29,480
Speaker 1: how frequently? And they all been profitable. I've done oh

1725
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: sixty nine camps. Um, No, it's been a hard business.

1726
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 1: We're honest with you. It was really hard, and uh um.

1727
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: I tried to expand to go to Vegas. I was

1728
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: running two if While I was running two camps, I'm

1729
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: running the camps where these people are having the greatest experience,

1730
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: and you know they get the jam with with def

1731
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: Leppard and Joe Elliott. Joe Eli is getting the jam

1732
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 1: but about the hopeful song and he's having a great time,

1733
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: and all these people are meeting, and then I'm can't

1734
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: wake up and I can't I can't wake up. I'm

1735
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: losing my mind. I'm losing. I'm losing. I remember calling

1736
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: here and he says, well, close it. He says closing,

1737
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 1: and people and I went to see the count and

1738
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: I moved to l A and then account and said

1739
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 1: to me, why are you spending your kids money? You know,

1740
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: it's like why do this? But every day I'm getting

1741
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 1: an email thank you. It's a great experience of my life.

1742
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: This artist is great. One morning I get an email

1743
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: from a guy and signed McKenzie and company and it

1744
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: was guy Scott Keller and he's still gotta thank you.

1745
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: I got the gym with Judas Priest and my son

1746
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: and I had the most incredible time. Right away, I

1747
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: called him. I said, can I call you? Can I

1748
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: take it a launch and get some advice? And he

1749
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: turns to me and he's what's the problem. I said, now,

1750
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: and said, this is a hard business. You know, it's

1751
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: not like Coachella where you can expand the fences. It's

1752
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: not an artist starting counsel blues and then going to

1753
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 1: play a theater and then playing an arena. This is

1754
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 1: four teen bands, one drummer to the band, one bass player.

1755
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: You know you're limited, and you deal with people who

1756
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: wants scared to come. So I said, this is a

1757
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: hard business. And um, he says, I'm gonna take you

1758
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: to dinner and he takes me to dinner with six

1759
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: of his smartest people. He brings Amy how who ran Ticketmaster.

1760
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 1: She came, she was a Mackenzie Scott comes, he brings

1761
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: there's a band called they are Giants. He brings the father,

1762
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 1: the guitar player. The guitar player comes and we have

1763
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 1: this dinner and they basically said, David explained us the

1764
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: issues of the camp, and I explained them the problems

1765
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: and what I was having. And they said, you got

1766
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: ten minutes to talk, and then we're gonna then we're

1767
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: gonna ask you questions ten minutes and then anybody's gonna

1768
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: shut the f up and let us give you some advice.

1769
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: They went through my books. They they really analyzed the

1770
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: business for me, and they basically said, his day, it's

1771
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 1: very simple. You make ten dollars, stop spending twelve, spend nine,

1772
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 1: spent eight. And they really turned my business around. And uh,

1773
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: I need these bladings to tell me that, because you know,

1774
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: I would keep adding more talent and whatever they taught me,

1775
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: and I turned them to a profitable business. Where did

1776
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: you cut what I taught? Well, I cut Vegas out.

1777
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: I had a place in Vegas. I couldn't operate Vegas.

1778
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm not moving my family to Vegas. UM. So I

1779
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: had a location there in Vegas, UM and you know,

1780
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 1: I was getting ripped off with the gear, was getting

1781
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: stolen out of the place, and um, I was trying

1782
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: to open it as a rehearsal studio. I cut there.

1783
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: I cut employees that I figured that I have to

1784
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: do it myself, like you said, and and uh and

1785
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: I brought it stef and and then I just learned

1786
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: to I cut a lot of things and turn the

1787
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: business around. So what so it turns around. How much

1788
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 1: does it cost to go to Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp?

1789
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: So rock Camp? So we charged about five thousand dollars

1790
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: to go to camp. But it's we have to Each

1791
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: camp is like setting up a tour, and then you know,

1792
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: a band can augment that tour and you know, I

1793
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: don't augment. They can advertize the tour over a hundred shows.

1794
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 1: I don't advertize. And I closed my shop after that camp.

1795
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: So these camps get expended. It all depends on the

1796
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: on the talent cost. But I keep it relatively to

1797
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: a point where where we can make some profits. And

1798
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: it's not a lot, you know, but but enough that uh,

1799
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: you can pay you know, you can you can make

1800
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: a salary and you can pay people, and you know

1801
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 1: you have people to operate it and the artists and

1802
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: I think everyone has come to you know, they come

1803
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: to understand that that you know, to their works and um.

1804
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 1: But but the goals I want to make money is

1805
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:22,560
Speaker 1: I want to go back on the road with this.

1806
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: And I'm not going on the road pot, but if

1807
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: I could find someone to help me put it back

1808
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: on the road. I did a couple of experiments. Number one,

1809
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: I went to Irving as Off years ago and I said,

1810
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: can I have the opening spot of your Deaf Leopard? Um?

1811
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: Your Deaf Leopard? He he was touring Journey and Death Leppard.

1812
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: I said, the stage is open from five thirty to seven.

1813
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: Can I have that stage. I'll sell one day camp.

1814
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: I'll sell one day camp and convertized experiment. And he said,

1815
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: go do it. He said he was Irving was really

1816
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: he was very supportive. And um so I when I

1817
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: sold eighties spots for two thousand calls each, and um,

1818
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I had these people come into Columbus, Ohio. They came

1819
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,799
Speaker 1: in with six private planes. They came in from thirty

1820
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: states and they got the opportunity to open the Deaf

1821
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: leppert and Journey. I put them in a band um

1822
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: with a rock star mentor was I think Simon Kirk

1823
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: and Kick Winger and Rudy Sarzo and Vinnie Appassy, and

1824
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: they would mentor the band all day. Um. Then five

1825
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: o'clock they got to meet deaf Leppers and they got

1826
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,600
Speaker 1: the Journey and then each band went on stage and

1827
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: did one song and it was great because the people

1828
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: got to taste the brand. They went to the office

1829
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: the next day and they said, uh, what do you do? Oh,

1830
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: I put the Flipper in Journey last night. But but

1831
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:44,440
Speaker 1: what happened was these people bought forty tickets, fifty tickets

1832
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: from all for other friends. So if you take eighty

1833
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: people or a hundred people gonna buy tickets, I got

1834
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: four thousand people coming to and see these people performed.

1835
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: But I had a problem because the stage and and

1836
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: everything like that. So the idea is a year later

1837
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: and I went to House the Blues and I did

1838
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: a tour where I did fifteen cities and again you

1839
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 1: got to open for UM and that tour it was extreme.

1840
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 1: With King Jackson was supposed to be bigger names, but

1841
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 1: they got little snookered on the deal. But whatever it is, Um,

1842
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: I did fifteen cities and I did really well and

1843
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: gave people one day opportunities to doing the camp. Um.

1844
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: So that's really what I want to do, and I'll

1845
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: put it back on the road because everybody wants to

1846
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: perform from their parents. They want to perform front of

1847
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 1: their family. Like I said, the final night of Camp,

1848
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: you see these executives how their families in the audience,

1849
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: and and you know they're not holding up their middle finger,

1850
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: but they're basically saying, hey, mom, I could have been

1851
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 1: a rock star. You do have a little bit of

1852
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: perception problem. Today's incommittee quality era where it is five k,

1853
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 1: which is not mentioned in the movie. Is that just

1854
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: is what it is? Or is there a way to

1855
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: change the perception of the camp that it's for the elite? Okay,

1856
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: so that's what it was. And I used to get

1857
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: eighty five. I used to do. I did Abbey Road

1858
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: Studios where you got to you know, record there, and

1859
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 1: it was sixteen thousand. I've lowered the price way down.

1860
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: People get to pay it off. Um. Yeah, no, I

1861
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: know everybody thinks it's it's expensive. It's a cost of

1862
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: safe thing to go on a cruise and you can

1863
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 1: hang out. I'm not asking you to justify the price.

1864
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: The price is great. But people who don't go, who

1865
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: see the movie and hear the price, they say, oh,

1866
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 1: that's for rich people. So it is perceived as an elite,

1867
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: rich person's camp. I'm not talking about whether people call

1868
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: up the money, right. It's perceived that way as people

1869
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: because I've been doing this for years, So that's an excuse.

1870
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: It sees. Listen, they'll see the film and uh and

1871
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: and they and they go to camp. Um, I will

1872
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,719
Speaker 1: tell you that fifty cent on my campus return because

1873
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, once you take them to that excitement level

1874
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 1: of four days, they go home, they get depressed. I

1875
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:53,679
Speaker 1: had a guy had a guy come back to camp

1876
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 1: after two years, and I said, what, what what brought

1877
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: you back? He said, I went to my therapist every

1878
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: day and it said, you know I do by your

1879
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: rock camp. And he says, why don't you go back

1880
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: to camp? Well, the therapist took his money for two

1881
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 1: years and then he says, I just can't make you

1882
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: happen to go back. Okay, let's assume I lay my

1883
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: five k down. What are you guaranteeing me? I'm not

1884
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 1: guarantee any UM. I want to guarantee it was an experience. UM.

1885
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 1: I never promised anyone your career. I'm so against that. UM.

1886
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: More specific, I put him in five thousand dollars. Am

1887
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: I gonna How much time am I gonna get with

1888
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: the acts? How much free time or how much you know,

1889
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: hanging like we both went to camp where it's all together.

1890
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: It might be sitting in my room alone. When you

1891
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,600
Speaker 1: go to camp, where did you go to Cannath? I

1892
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: went to Jewish camp in Connecticut. First of all, I

1893
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 1: went to day camp for three years. Then the Jewish

1894
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: Community Center of New Haven had an overnight camp in

1895
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: East Madison called Camp Laurel Wood, which they still have

1896
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 1: the best days of my life. I literally came home

1897
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: and cried, I know exactly what you're talking about. So

1898
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: you come to camp, by the way, so once you

1899
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 1: signed up for camp up and you put your deposit

1900
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: your money down, you get a letter from us telling

1901
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 1: us what songs that you should prepare and and that

1902
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: these are these artists are gonna be there, and you

1903
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: want to prepare these songs, So people start studying their songs. Um.

1904
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: Then so then a week before your your rock star

1905
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: counselor calls you and you guys have a group meeting

1906
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,599
Speaker 1: and the guys and gals they pick songs that they're

1907
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 1: gonna do and uh so, uh, what's the Rudy Sarzo

1908
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: or Tony Franklin. They call you, and they and they

1909
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: and we just sudden they come up with a song

1910
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: list of what they want to do when they come

1911
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: to camp. They walk in on Thursday, they go right away,

1912
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: they go into pick a room to go into, whether

1913
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: it's a jam room, it's a you know, a different

1914
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,759
Speaker 1: jam room. Then I come out and I basically announced

1915
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: the rules of camp, which are no rules, um, but

1916
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,759
Speaker 1: basically I want them to prepare to to to record.

1917
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: Let's say the camp I did with Joe Perry. Learn

1918
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: narrow Snip song, Learn learn a Farno song because you're

1919
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: gonna jam with mc graham. Um, you go to Vince

1920
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 1: Neil is gonna come by to learn a Motley Crue songs.

1921
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: So they basically prepare those songs and m and then

1922
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 1: they have they go into the rooms with their bands

1923
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 1: and they have rehearsals and uh, and then following rehearsals,

1924
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 1: I have a lot of master classes. So if you

1925
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 1: want to write songs, if you bring your songs, let's

1926
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 1: see you brought us. You wrote a song, you want

1927
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,679
Speaker 1: to come to camp. You could sit around a panel,

1928
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,639
Speaker 1: you can hear, you get get people's opinion about the songs.

1929
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 1: Then I do an opening night party because I want

1930
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: the rock starts to jam. I want you to see

1931
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: how how good these guys are. And these musicians are great.

1932
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 1: You know they're great. Why are they're great because they

1933
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 1: practice every day. Unlike this guy who's the weekend musician.

1934
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: You know, he shows up on one hour, so you

1935
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: really see how incredible talents that they are. The next

1936
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 1: day they rehearsal and then Luke Graham comes in and

1937
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 1: uh and he walks into a room and and they

1938
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: get to you know, depending on the artist, you know,

1939
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: like I telt flash dates for twelve hours. He janned

1940
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: an hour with each man and and and you know

1941
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: what's the names? Uh, Nick Mason. He stayed for four

1942
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:04,560
Speaker 1: days and he wrote a story about g Q. It

1943
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 1: once they're they're I don't put a timeless They do

1944
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: what they want to do and and uh so, you

1945
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 1: know most people say and they jam a song and

1946
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 1: then they do a Q and A and they answer

1947
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: questions and then they take their photo and they signed

1948
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: all the autographs and all that stuff. But then then

1949
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: we do Q and A with them. And you know,

1950
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: Joe Walsh was amazing. He stayed, you know, he stayed

1951
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 1: for five hours, and he jammed with everybody. And then

1952
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 1: he what I loved what he did was he turned

1953
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: to every guitar place is now it's your turn. Now

1954
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 1: it's your turn to laya lea a solo. And these

1955
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 1: people froze. But he said, listen, you gotta fake it,

1956
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 1: you know. And the the the information that meat loads,

1957
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 1: the information that these artists have given to these people

1958
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 1: is incredible, it really is. And and and they they

1959
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: take a list. Okay, how many people go to a

1960
01:37:52,479 --> 01:38:00,560
Speaker 1: camp eighty people? Eighty people. The relationships mainteens obsequent to

1961
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 1: the camp, well, that's incredible, because every rocket, they all

1962
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 1: make it meet their best friends. I can't every rock

1963
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 1: star tells me they've met their best friend. Steven Tyler.

1964
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, he's flying away with the guy. You know,

1965
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: there's there's always there's always some guys who planes, so

1966
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, naturally they make friends. You know, remember Joe

1967
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: Perry was was in Vegas to the camp and John

1968
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 1: b and Eliot's tour magic ain to me. He said,

1969
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 1: you know, the airport's closed, the Boston snowed in. Is

1970
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 1: there anyone here with the private plane? I said, that

1971
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 1: guy over there, he's got a private plane. Asked him

1972
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 1: and the guys to sure, I'll drive to get back.

1973
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: He flew him back and and I went to his band.

1974
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: I said, you know the guy who wants to leave.

1975
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 1: And you know, what do you guys do about a drummer?

1976
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: He says, thank god, David, we'll pay a drummer, get

1977
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: a drummer in town. Well five found the drummer for him. Um.

1978
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, the friendships they make, and then and then

1979
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 1: so the and there's not and again there's not only

1980
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 1: rich guys there. These people make lots of friends when

1981
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: they go on tour. Every artist has told me my

1982
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 1: best friends I met at Rock and Roll Fans Camp.

1983
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: You know when when when we were touring and I

1984
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 1: was turning Rnko and even the monkeys, we always ran

1985
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 1: out of the venue. We always ran out of venue.

1986
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 1: No one ever wanted to meet a rock star. I'mlike

1987
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 1: the country people. You know. I went to see took

1988
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: my daughter and see Oprah, and she wanted to always

1989
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 1: meet Oprah and and and on that show was Kenny

1990
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Chesney and Hoodie and it was a country show. And

1991
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 1: she says to Kenny Chesney, she says, well, um, Kenny,

1992
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: you know you meet your fans that uh you know,

1993
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 1: you're so good to your fans. I go out there

1994
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 1: and meet my fans five o'clock. I hug him. I

1995
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,639
Speaker 1: love them. They come out to my bus and she said,

1996
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: who was the first? Continue on too? So I went

1997
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 1: to anarrismonth show. So I haven't done anything to meet

1998
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: Steven Tyler. So you know, rock stars always ran away

1999
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: and um, unlike the country stars. How do you build

2000
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 1: a show, build a camp? What's the key? I got

2001
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 1: a lot of it's. I have a checklists. It started

2002
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: first with the talent. UM. I try to UM, I

2003
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: try to get a talent to come. I see the

2004
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: Scorpions will come in to Vegas. I reached out to

2005
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 1: them and UM prior to covid um and they said

2006
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 1: they would do it. Uh. So now I got a

2007
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: location and now I got a uh weekend in May,

2008
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna do the scorpions. Um. And then I

2009
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: go find a location and I try to find in

2010
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: a place where I got four key rehearsal rooms. That's

2011
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: the hardest thing is to find the rehearsal rooms because

2012
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 1: it's not everywhere that you have rehearsal space. UM. Once

2013
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: I have that, UM, you know, I go out and

2014
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 1: I signed my counselors and I have a great array

2015
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: of counselors who who do camp and um who you

2016
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 1: know Teddy Andreatas from Guns and Roses and he was

2017
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: a keyboard. He played keyboard to them and you know

2018
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 1: you get now listen, you gotta find good people that

2019
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: that are gonna do it. The one thing I learned

2020
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 1: with Ringo and Alice Cooper, the one thing they they

2021
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: I learned from Ringo was, you know, we fought about

2022
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 1: Dan Members. You know we thought about Jack Rose. It's

2023
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: it's in there's a public book. It's a book about

2024
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: it that that I fought with Ringo because I wanted

2025
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: Jack Bruce because my brother was a cream fan and

2026
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 1: I love Jack Bruce, so um, he didn't want him.

2027
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 1: He bumped into him in the airport and I guess

2028
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 1: Jack wasn't in his best shape back then. And um,

2029
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:05,600
Speaker 1: and you know, you want to tour with people that

2030
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:07,639
Speaker 1: you love, that you can work with, that you could

2031
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 1: deal with. Alice Cooper said to me, it's it's I

2032
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: gotta have a great band of people because I gotta

2033
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 1: live with them. So it's not just musicianship, and some

2034
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: people want to live with So it's the same thing

2035
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,679
Speaker 1: with counselors. You know, I meant Peter Tork in the Monkeys,

2036
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: he called me, so I want to be a counselor.

2037
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, Peter, come and you know he

2038
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,799
Speaker 1: was my worth counselor. And I remember telling a journalist

2039
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: that and he called me up. He says, you told

2040
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: them I was the worth counselor, said Peter, people, you don't.

2041
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: You have to have patience with people. You're gonna have to,

2042
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, leave your ego at the door. And you

2043
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: know people will come over with him and they wanted

2044
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 1: to ask him something, they want to get a picture.

2045
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 1: So you need to have you need to be a

2046
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: people person. Let me really, let me restate this, because

2047
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 1: you were talking about Mackenzie and consulting on your act,

2048
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: on your show. What is the look? How many stars

2049
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: do you need? You know, you build a show, I

2050
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 1: need X number of a players. Be what do you

2051
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: need to get people to come? You need a star,

2052
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 1: you need you needed one star, you need two stars.

2053
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 1: I try to find the star that's going to jamp

2054
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 1: with them the last night we will agree to do

2055
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 1: the final night concert. Um. So that's where I start. UM.

2056
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 1: I try to now keeping in genres. I try to

2057
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: keep the metal guys with the metal guys. I'll try

2058
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 1: to keep the rock guys with the rock guys that

2059
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 1: keep it. And I did Alice and change and don't

2060
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: couple of pilots, you know, you try to keep that together. Um.

2061
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: You know when I get two or three good names,

2062
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 1: and then then I'm ready to build. And then I

2063
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 1: built my fourteen counselors out. Um. And then you know,

2064
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: the location is important. It's a combination everything. Listen, It's

2065
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: like what I did the ring go to I got

2066
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 1: a lot of balls in the air. You gotta keep

2067
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 1: a lot of balls in the air, and then you

2068
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:41,800
Speaker 1: hope they're gonna come together and and and that's really

2069
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,839
Speaker 1: what I snapped my fingers. We go to the ultimate

2070
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: destination with rock Camp. What does it look like? It

2071
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: was Abbey Road Studios. You got to record every old

2072
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 1: studios and then you got no, that's that's what in

2073
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: the past. If we go down the hypothetical future and

2074
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 1: it were to max out your wildest dream, what would

2075
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 1: it look like. I want to tourk I want to

2076
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: be on I want to be on the road four

2077
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 1: times a week, um, opening for a major act or

2078
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 1: any act um that I can. I know I can

2079
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: bring them a lot of people. Um. And I want

2080
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 1: to sell packages where you can go on the road,

2081
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: get on a tour bus and go on the road

2082
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: for two weeks. I want I want to I want

2083
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: to buy my way on an opening act and tour.

2084
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: That to me is really where I want to go

2085
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:31,720
Speaker 1: and um and get Okay, this is rock Camp. Are

2086
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 1: there any other promotion dreams that are yet unfulfilled that

2087
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:39,639
Speaker 1: you would like to complete and do well? I think

2088
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 1: the film, you know, the film was the last thing

2089
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 1: that I really uh you know, I've represented players who

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Speaker 1: won the World Series. Uh, Phil Simms, that's that's a

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Speaker 1: giant San Francisco for nights. I hit my mark on

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Speaker 1: on Gutta. Players have a had a Beatle, I worked

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Speaker 1: with a Beatle. Um work with you know, I think

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Speaker 1: we worked with the with a member of the Who.

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Speaker 1: And and Bill Wyman are only songs I think I've

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Speaker 1: I've lived that. Um, you know, I just like changing lives. Really, Bob,

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Speaker 1: you cannot imagine how fulfilling it is to open your

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Speaker 1: emails every day and someone saying you change my life. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I breast cancer and I came to a

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Speaker 1: camp and and now I'm I'm writing books. And I

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Speaker 1: decided that I didn't want I quit being a lawyer

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Speaker 1: because uh, I didn't want to live that life of being,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing stuff that's boring. I wanted to live

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Speaker 1: my passion. So the ladies today became a writer. She's

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Speaker 1: a fourteen books that are that are a number one

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. She writes, Um, you know, she writes fiction books.

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Speaker 1: I love that part. A guy says to me, he

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Speaker 1: came to my camp, and he says, I called him up.

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Speaker 1: I said, you're gonna come to the next camp. He said, say,

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Speaker 1: but I got good news, beads. I quit my job

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Speaker 1: on Wall Street. I am going to London school drumming.

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Speaker 1: The bad news is I can't report to come to

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Speaker 1: campers anywhere I said good good, or where a guy

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Speaker 1: stopped on the street. He says, how this is the

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Speaker 1: best look. Guy stopped you on the street in the

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Speaker 1: in New York about three years ago, he says, David,

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Speaker 1: he says that, Espishop Mark, I gotta thank you. I

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Speaker 1: just got back from Moscow. I said, we my band

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Speaker 1: opened for Harrelsmith. So what do you mean your band

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Speaker 1: opened harresmanth He says, yeah. He says, I met Joe

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Speaker 1: Perry and his manager at your camp and I my my,

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Speaker 1: my lead singer is in lives in Moscow, and I

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Speaker 1: kept calling her and I asked, can we open for

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Speaker 1: your band for Farrelsmith in Moscow? And until the manager said,

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Speaker 1: sent me the CD She's gave it over to Joe,

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Speaker 1: and Joe looked at and said, when I meet this

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Speaker 1: guy he met about rockets, let him open. I mean,

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Speaker 1: here's this is. I don't promise this, this shit happens,

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Speaker 1: and and I don't know. Okay, divorcing the external and

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Speaker 1: just starting with your internal. What is your greatest asset?

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Speaker 1: Why have you been successful? I think my my successes

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Speaker 1: is caring for people and passionate. You know, my dad

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Speaker 1: was a rabbi. My brother's a rabbi, my son in

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Speaker 1: laws a rabbi. I don't want to be a rabbi,

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Speaker 1: but all the day I saw I see these people

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Speaker 1: taking care of people and answering them and and you know,

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Speaker 1: and doing good. And so I had no ability to

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Speaker 1: be a rabbi. But I really enjoy um people. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, for a long time, I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: camp the counselors, the campers. I didn't want to meet him.

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Speaker 1: I had told somebody, you know, you you know, I can't,

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Speaker 1: I can't do it all. I gotta deal with these

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Speaker 1: rock stars. And then I realized how amazing these campers

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Speaker 1: are and who they are, and uh, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I got up there as a joke one day. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, my entire life, I represented a beatle, a turtle,

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Speaker 1: a monkey, you name it. And all I did was

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Speaker 1: keep my stars away from you people. And now I

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Speaker 1: love you people because these are the people that keeping

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Speaker 1: me in business. So these these are good people. They're

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Speaker 1: they're great people. They're musicians who just decided to make

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Speaker 1: a get a real job, and they really want to

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Speaker 1: be a rector. Okay, David, this has been wonderful hearing

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Speaker 1: all your brushes with fame, how you made your ome life,

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Speaker 1: switched your own career. You obviously our ball of energy

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Speaker 1: and you can close anybody. Thanks so much for doing this,

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Speaker 1: really and honor. Thank you so much. And I gotta

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Speaker 1: thank you the reaction that I got on your review

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Speaker 1: in the film, it's probably the biggest reaction I got,

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Okay, until next time. This

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Speaker 1: is Bob Leftstons