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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracey V.

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Speaker 2: Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. We spent this.

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Speaker 1: Entire week talking about Natalie Clifford Barney.

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Speaker 2: We sure did.

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like she would be happy that

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Speaker 1: somebody spent a week talking about her.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, I really did.

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Speaker 1: Like I had read a whole bunch of different sources,

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Speaker 1: and I then like I read the book that we

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Speaker 1: mentioned a couple of times, and I had not taken

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Speaker 1: notes that felt to me particularly in depth, Like there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff that I sort of summarized

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Speaker 1: generally of like then she was back and forth between

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Speaker 1: the United States and Europe, or like the timeline would

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Speaker 1: just skip ahead by six or seven years. And then

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Speaker 1: I like got to the end of my note taking.

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Speaker 1: And I said this in the episode, but like I

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Speaker 1: was like, well, okay, I have a whole episode of notes,

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Speaker 1: Like this episode, this notes document is an episode word

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Speaker 1: count And I initially was going to try to get

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Speaker 1: it to be one part because I just felt like

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Speaker 1: this was very similar to the two parter on Collette

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Speaker 1: from a year ago, and I don't know, I'm always

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Speaker 1: trying to make sure we have a variety and the

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Speaker 1: things that we talk about, and I was like, does

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Speaker 1: this feel like Collette Version two point zero? And then

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Speaker 1: as I got into it, I was like, I can't

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Speaker 1: figure out what to cut out. I have a couple

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Speaker 1: things in this little behind the scenes notes that we

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Speaker 1: did not hurt out.

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Speaker 2: One is that.

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Speaker 1: When Natalie's father proposed to her mother, apparently he was

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Speaker 1: so awkward about it that she didn't realize what was happening,

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Speaker 1: and like he made this really convoluted statement that was

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Speaker 1: something like, I don't have a silver platter to offer you,

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Speaker 1: so I offer this with two bare hands. And he

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Speaker 1: hadn't really said what he was offering, but like, to me,

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Speaker 1: I can see how that would be a marriage proposal,

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Speaker 1: because I've read a lot of Jane Austen and she

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Speaker 1: was trying to put to be polite and said something like, well,

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Speaker 1: I accept it with two bare hands, and then he

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Speaker 1: was all excited and she was like, what why this happened?

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Speaker 2: What just happened.

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Speaker 1: Also, one of the big dramatic things that happened when

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Speaker 1: Natalie and her sister was at boarding school was that

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Speaker 1: one night someone sneaked into the you know, the bed

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Speaker 1: of another student and cut off her long braid of

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Speaker 1: her hair. Oh, and like this definitely seemed like it

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Speaker 1: could have been some kind of deeply petty children drama,

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Speaker 1: right right, somebody got revenge on what somebody else did

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Speaker 1: by going to cut off their braid in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the night. However, later on, they hired one of

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Speaker 1: the teachers from this school as their tutor and like

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Speaker 1: brought her back I don't remember it was like back

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Speaker 1: to the United States or to some of their traveling,

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Speaker 1: but they hired this like favorite teacher from the school

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Speaker 1: middle of the night and this tutor was sleepwalking with

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Speaker 1: Alice's hats. And they were like, this sleepwalking teacher cut

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Speaker 2: It wasn't children set down or doing crafts in or sleep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then they fired her because that did not

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Speaker 1: seem safe. A couple while while doing research, one of

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Speaker 1: the places that I look for articles on stuff is

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Speaker 1: at ebsco, and ebsco has little categories that you can

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Speaker 1: read to see as this you know something that is

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Speaker 1: subject matter that is what I'm actually looking for. And

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Speaker 1: one of the articles on Natalie Clifford Barney had the

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Speaker 1: following categories listed in EBSCO, which is made more hilarious

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Speaker 1: because all of these that are two words, the first

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Speaker 1: much more funny to me. So these were art patronage,

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Speaker 1: rich people, art collecting, and peasants. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like this really sums up the tenor of

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Speaker 1: so much of her life, Like so much of it

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Speaker 1: was just about rich people doing rich people stuff. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a couple of sort of more recent developments like we're.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just gonna live our life in the manner

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Speaker 1: of ancient Greeks as we have sort of imagined that

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Speaker 1: to have been. One of Natalie Clifford Barney's novels was

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Speaker 1: published in English for the first time just recently in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I have not read this novel. It is

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Speaker 1: called Her Woman Lovers or The Third Woman. It is

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Speaker 1: a thinly veiled autobiography that is about her relationships with

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Speaker 1: Leanne de Pougee and another woman named Mimi Franchetti, and

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Speaker 1: at all. But Natalie had a relationship with each of

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Speaker 1: this novel has been reviewed pretty well.

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Speaker 2: I have not read it.

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Speaker 1: The fact that it's only just become available in English

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Speaker 1: was pretty interesting to me. Also, the first historical marker

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Speaker 1: in Ohio where related to LGBTQ history was erected in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine and it is in Dayton, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: birthplace of Natalie Clifford Barney, and it is a Natalie

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Speaker 1: Clifford Barney historical worker. Me. So yeah, man, she was

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Speaker 1: such a mass, like such a mass she was. Her

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Speaker 1: romantic life is like way too complicated for me.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: I got very tired.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I don't. I mean, I'm boring, So I

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Speaker 2: just can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine wanting to make my life that complicated. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like her whole thing about I'm lazy in friendships. If

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Speaker 1: why do you want to complicate your life in every

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Speaker 1: Maybe she does have the energy to like end friendships

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Speaker 1: because she's so busy juggling a bunch of people her own,

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Speaker 1: probably in some cases unacknowledged jealousy of other people, Like no,

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Speaker 1: wonder you didn't have the heart to ever in the friendship.

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Speaker 2: You didn't have any energy, you were tired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she, Uh, there were when I also, while I

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Speaker 1: love I love that sentiment a whole lot, there were

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Speaker 1: also times that the way she treated other people in

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Speaker 1: her life, I'm like, that's not what friends do, Natalie, Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like when when your friend who you've known for fifteen

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Speaker 1: that's that's not what friends do. No, that's like what

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Speaker 1: that really does not seem to be how for the

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Speaker 1: most part, Natalie Clifford Barney was approaching her life, it

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Speaker 1: was like she had this idea in her mind of

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Speaker 1: I can just love everybody and love is great, and

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Speaker 1: where she was like, well, I don't like that you're

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Speaker 1: And it was like She's just the way she envisioned

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Speaker 1: love is great, so long as it follows all of

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Speaker 1: As a complete jump aside. Okay, and it made me laugh,

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Speaker 1: and I have said it on the show before, but

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Speaker 1: you mentioning that the first LGBTQIA historical marker yeah in

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Speaker 1: Ohio was in two thousand and nine. We also mentioned

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Speaker 1: how cross dressing was outlawed in Paris, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: it still was when that marker went up. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: until twenty thirteen that that was officially stricken from the books, right,

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Speaker 1: although there had been provisions over the years for things

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Speaker 2: But that still makes me giggle.

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Speaker 1: She seems to have been so often oblivious, like the

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Speaker 1: stereotypical epigrams about like people appearance, not like calling for

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Speaker 1: when all of that happened, but it was such an

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Speaker 1: seem to have fully like grasped the Great Depression being

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Speaker 1: I'll stay in Florence, Nate, Like that would have been

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Speaker 1: fact that she thought that was a good idea, just

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Speaker 1: just like she just she was so protected by having

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Speaker 2: Oh the privilege.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is interesting in that you know, she's at

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Speaker 1: that fascinating intersection where her privilege enabled her to be

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Speaker 2: She didn't want to get involved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like.

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Speaker 2: Related, you can't just like courting off one part of it.

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Speaker 1: While I think she was such a mess in so

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Speaker 1: many ways, and I definitely do not love the fascist

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Speaker 1: But what she was trying to do with being like, hey,

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Speaker 1: making my home a safe place for other lesbians. Like

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Speaker 1: If you are into Marine Lawrencean's artwork, there's of course

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