Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Aaron, are you wrapping the four oh four? What
Speaker 1: are we today? What are we mean?
Speaker 3: At all times? But in the fact, yes, I literally
Speaker 3: am wrapping the four oh four. I have freshly moved
Speaker 3: back to my hometown of Atlanta. It feels good, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 3: even getting a little fall weather in Atlanta and September
Speaker 3: which confusing. Uh yeah, so yes, back back back in
Speaker 3: the land of the Georgia Bulldogs and sweet tea.
Speaker 4: Glad to be here.
Speaker 1: That makes me really like happy. I have no business
Speaker 1: being happy that you're back in Atlanta, because I am not.
Speaker 1: I'm so here in the land of New York. But
Speaker 1: I do want to introduce you properly, y'all. Aaron Haynes.
Speaker 1: This has been a long time coming. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine a time where I wasn't like, oh, I
Speaker 1: should have erin on the show. But y'all be honest
Speaker 1: with you, didn't think I was smart enough yet I
Speaker 1: didn't think I was I know, I know, I know
Speaker 1: you all.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here. Longtime listener first time call
Speaker 3: our people absolutely Now.
Speaker 1: You've always been so supportive. Erin and I go way back.
Speaker 1: Let me do your proper intro and then I'll get
Speaker 1: I'll get more.
Speaker 4: I'll shut up, sister.
Speaker 1: Fran all right, So Aaron, if you guys do not
Speaker 1: know Erin and that's what two rs, put some respect
Speaker 1: on it. Okay. She is now the editor at large
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Nineteenth and how Aaron
Speaker 1: co founded that. How long is it? How long has
Speaker 1: it been?
Speaker 3: We are in our fourth year, it's our second presidential election,
Speaker 3: almost five years.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okaylas when you're making history. So they call her
Speaker 1: a founding mother. I love that. And the Nineteenth of
Speaker 1: y'all don't know. It's the nation's first nonprofit newsroom and
Speaker 1: they live at the intersection of gender politics and policy.
Speaker 1: Their mission is to empower audiences with the information, resources
Speaker 1: and community that they need to be equal participants in
Speaker 1: our democracy. As mentioned, she's on the nineteenth weekly podcast
Speaker 1: The Amendment, which you are now following because you do
Speaker 1: what I say, right, and she's also a regular MSNBC contributor.
Speaker 1: An award winning political journalist, Aaron previously was at the
Speaker 1: Associated Press. She was their national writer, like the national
Speaker 1: writer on race and ethnicity, and has also worked at
Speaker 1: The Washington Post, The Orlando Orlando Sentinel, and The La Times.
Speaker 1: Aaron Haynes welcome.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, who do I cash app for this?
Speaker 1: Read?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1: If you're if you know a black journalist like you are,
Speaker 1: like you're you're the elite, okay, the elite of the elite,
Speaker 1: deleade the elite.
Speaker 4: I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1: Today, feeling good as you should.
Speaker 4: They don't just.
Speaker 3: Follow me around for like the rest of the month, year, whatever,
Speaker 3: just to like hype you up.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, y'all. Y'all are good hype people. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I love you. How are you doing in this moment?
Speaker 1: Because I imagine going into this election year you were. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's already a stressful time you cover politics, right, but
Speaker 1: July everything changes, So it's not just that you're how
Speaker 1: are you doing? How has it been?
Speaker 4: I mean real talk. I mean I'm fucking exhausted.
Speaker 3: I mean, am I am I able to say that
Speaker 3: on You're like, yeah, that is that is that is
Speaker 3: where I'm at. But I mean, but also like what
Speaker 3: a time to be alive, What a time to be
Speaker 3: covering politics?
Speaker 4: What a time for the nineteenth to exist?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: I mean, like literally, we have all these conversations about
Speaker 3: electability and you know, the race and gender of it
Speaker 3: all in our politics, and so to have a woman
Speaker 3: on the ballot this year, regardless of the outcome, to
Speaker 3: talk about what that means, to talk about why it
Speaker 3: matters for our elector, it just feels really really like
Speaker 3: my highest and best work.
Speaker 4: As a journalist in this moment, and just like an.
Speaker 3: Incredible privilege that I get paid to think about this
Speaker 3: every single day for a living.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm so happy that they do pay you.
Speaker 1: Even though they're not, they still listen. Also, you can
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Speaker 4: Oh my god. Okay, you're amazing.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, Tiffany. How are you feeling election wise? I
Speaker 1: had to kind of give Tiffany, I feel like a
Speaker 1: pep talk before July happened, you were on that, and
Speaker 1: we're going to get into some of the data that
Speaker 1: the Nineteenth has put out because I feel like Tiffany,
Speaker 1: like low key, I'm going to put you on blastoms. Well,
Speaker 1: you're kind of represented by the data as far as
Speaker 1: the Nineteenth found. I feel like with black women and
Speaker 1: how we are approaching the election. But go ahead tell
Speaker 1: us about what.
Speaker 2: I I'm not gonna So the last election almost literally
Speaker 2: broke me mentally. And it wasn't over November sixth or eight
Speaker 2: or whatever day we voted that all through November, still
Speaker 2: holding your breath, all through December, still holding your breath.
Speaker 2: Then January happens and you're like, oh my god, oh
Speaker 2: my god, oh my god. I don't think I settled
Speaker 2: down emotionally till March. March, so imagine all the time
Speaker 2: prior to like it with the election. Then the election
Speaker 2: happens and you're like, we won, I think, and then
Speaker 2: you know you're holding your breath. And finally January I
Speaker 2: was thinking maybe I can calm down. It was like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no insurrection time and it just so I just don't
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking to myself, this time around, I
Speaker 2: don't have the capacity to give that much emotional energy.
Speaker 2: I was so I mean every day, I was watching
Speaker 2: every podcast, every this, every it just it was honestly,
Speaker 2: if I got ulcers, I would have one, and I
Speaker 2: just said, I can't do that. So I have been
Speaker 2: kind of like dipping my baby toe in here. Y'all good, y'all,
Speaker 2: don't anybody in no water, anybody, y'all good. And then
Speaker 2: I heasel back to my cat videos and keV on stage,
Speaker 2: comedy sketches and house decor. And then I peeked back
Speaker 2: in again and because I just can't take the full
Speaker 2: ride emotionally, and I'm not gonna lie, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wasn't feeling so great about Oh Joe, but I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, about him being able to wait, and I
Speaker 2: so then, but then I was like, well, I guess
Speaker 2: I mean, we're gonna do our best. And then you know,
Speaker 2: when he stepped aside. My first reaction was, of course
Speaker 2: I'm gonna vote, but besides the black girls, who's gonna vote?
Speaker 1: I just wasn't that.
Speaker 4: I remember distinctly.
Speaker 2: I was out with my friend Brandon's and I said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, did you just see We had just
Speaker 2: come from a walk. Brandis is a sister, and I said,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about this because beyond us,
Speaker 2: who's going to vote. It's like why I didn't want
Speaker 2: to be on the cover of my book, Beyond the
Speaker 2: black girls, who's going to buy a black girl book
Speaker 2: with money? I just didn't feel so confident. Brenda said, no,
Speaker 2: we're not going to do that. She said, Tiffany, we're
Speaker 2: not going to do that. That you know that all
Speaker 2: things are possible.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, it was.
Speaker 2: And then my friend Joecaida I would say him being
Speaker 2: around when she did the first you know black girl
Speaker 2: like zoom and blew it out the water?
Speaker 4: Were you on that call? Were were you all on there?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: I was on that call, and I know jare was
Speaker 4: like the show.
Speaker 1: Of hers that she had. I was stuck in the
Speaker 1: technical pregatory. But I was on last I have been
Speaker 1: on call since I was on last night's call because.
Speaker 2: She's amazing and so like I'd known her because she
Speaker 2: had done a show like own, had a show about
Speaker 2: black women in finance. And I met her years ago
Speaker 2: and then I just see her every once in a
Speaker 2: while around and about. And so I saw her at
Speaker 2: Martha's vin here. I saw you guys had an article
Speaker 2: about the Martha's Vineyard Black Women Cohort, and so I
Speaker 2: was there. So I saw her there and I was
Speaker 2: singing this Michael Jacksons song. I have a video of us.
Speaker 4: I was like, so you want to be stun in.
Speaker 4: Some got to be stun in something. Because I told her,
Speaker 4: I was like, look what you started.
Speaker 2: She was like, now, humble, no, it's a lot of us.
Speaker 2: I was like, girl, I'll stop it, like, look at
Speaker 2: this avalanche that you started. And so since then I
Speaker 2: had I'm more hopeful than not. So I'll just say
Speaker 2: that that the space I'm in now still nervous just
Speaker 2: because anything can happen. I was so hopeful about Pillary,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: And I was like, what the entire hell?
Speaker 2: And so so that's where I am now, where I'm
Speaker 2: feeling very very very hopeful. It's feeling good, but I'm
Speaker 2: also like, you know, saving a little piece of myself
Speaker 2: just in case, and I saving a lot of my
Speaker 2: mental energy to not look at every single thing because
Speaker 2: I just don't I don't have the stomach for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's definitely where
Speaker 3: so many of the black women that I talked to
Speaker 3: about the selection, that's where they are like going from
Speaker 3: feeling very worried even though they were going to show
Speaker 3: up anyway, to now feeling hopeful, excited, but also anxious,
Speaker 3: but not so worried anymore. And yeah, so I think
Speaker 3: that that's kind of where people are headed into the
Speaker 3: ballot box now. But a lot of that has to
Speaker 3: do with, Yeah, that change at the top of the
Speaker 3: ticket that really just kind of changed everything, right, But
Speaker 3: I mean this is all, yes, going into this year,
Speaker 3: it was already an unprecedented situation, right, and it has
Speaker 3: only become more unprecedented, and I feel like we'll only
Speaker 3: become more unprecedent over the next seven weeks. So yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know, with everything that we know, I mean,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has been in our orbit for you know,
Speaker 3: the better part of the past decade. There's so much
Speaker 3: more that we know about him than we did in
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen and even in twenty twenty, and yet we
Speaker 3: know this is still going to.
Speaker 4: Be like a super close election.
Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm fascinated about out what this year
Speaker 3: continues to say about where we are as a country,
Speaker 3: where we are as a democracy. But I know that,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever happens, that women are going to be
Speaker 3: the deciders of the selection, and and just the emerging
Speaker 3: democratic majority of this country is very fired up, very
Speaker 3: fired up.
Speaker 4: Going into November. You got Taylor Swift posting listen, I.
Speaker 3: Mean from Taylor Taylor Swift on one end, Dick Cheney
Speaker 3: on the other, Like that is what the what what
Speaker 3: the coalition for her?
Speaker 4: Look, did you see Ronald.
Speaker 2: Reagan like his like seventeen staff members, I said, not
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan, the Republican.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you were gonna say his ghost. Did
Speaker 1: he come back?
Speaker 4: He came back?
Speaker 1: Was like keep a name.
Speaker 3: Actually listen, But Jimmy Carter's like, I'm ready to vote.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter one hundred years old. Out here and it's
Speaker 3: like I'm passing a ballot.
Speaker 4: I'm holding on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna do one one lass, one less election.
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Speaker 1: Talk to your local agent today. Well, Aaron, you mentioned
Speaker 1: that this is especially to be a woman at in
Speaker 1: this election, and that women are going to decide the election.
Speaker 1: There's so much. I don't want to say pressure. I
Speaker 1: don't feel pressure as a black woman, but I do
Speaker 1: feel the exhaustion and like the Okay, let's go, let's
Speaker 1: get it together. Let's get information to save another election.
Speaker 1: One of the things. So the Nineteenth puts out this survey.
Speaker 1: This is a second year, y'all have done it like
Speaker 1: your own survey of kind of like the mentality and
Speaker 1: what I love about the mentality of voters. But what
Speaker 1: I love about y'all survey is because you go there,
Speaker 1: you will break it down by you will break it
Speaker 1: down by gender, by identity, by race, and all that.
Speaker 4: You don't get the people who never get polled.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly like you should have seen me. I was
Speaker 1: at the Congressional Black Caucus at ALC this week and
Speaker 1: I was at this like this huge data center is
Speaker 1: like the Bloomberg New Data Collective or whatever, and I
Speaker 1: was like, so, do you have data on black women
Speaker 1: because that's what I focus on? And this man black
Speaker 1: man was like, no, I don't think no, and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: so anyway, it's another reason why it's so great the
Speaker 1: Nineteenth exists. But the way that I was diving into
Speaker 1: this report because I wanted to see, like specifically what
Speaker 1: kind of questions y'all asked of? And these are thousands
Speaker 1: of respondents. The one that really struck me though, was
Speaker 1: just the simple are you going to vote? Do you
Speaker 1: plan on voting? In twenty twenty four? And when I
Speaker 1: looked at the white women's responses compared to women of color,
Speaker 1: eighty two percent of white women said just plain O, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we will be voting. Only I mean for me it's
Speaker 1: an only, but maybe it's a lot. But only two
Speaker 1: thirds of black women said the same. Sixty seven percent
Speaker 1: said yes I will be voting. We had almost twenty percent,
Speaker 1: like seventeen percent of black women said maybe there's that
Speaker 1: hesitation there and that just kind of freaked me out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the seventeen percent. We have to get
Speaker 1: to the seventeen percent.
Speaker 4: No, it's you know what that is, Mandy.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at tell me, having covered elections for
Speaker 3: a long time, like this is not you know, me
Speaker 3: extrapolating off of the poll. This is you know, just
Speaker 3: just my expertise as political journalists, having covered black women
Speaker 3: for so much in my career, Like I would say that, uh,
Speaker 3: the closer we get to election, that number goes up
Speaker 3: for black women, right. You know, I feel like Big
Speaker 3: Mama has not gotten to some of those black women yet.
Speaker 4: Okay, we know that that younger voters.
Speaker 3: We got to get them on board, uh, to get
Speaker 3: them to participate. And that's just you know, regardless of
Speaker 3: party like that, like like somebody in their family or
Speaker 3: somebody in their friend group is usually like if you know,
Speaker 3: especially because this is such a consequential election, uh, like
Speaker 3: there may be a conversation, right, Like I feel like
Speaker 3: that is something that happens, especially as registration deadlines, people
Speaker 3: start to become aware of those and then and so
Speaker 3: then your mom, your aunt, your sister, your girlfriend is like,
Speaker 3: oh are you registered? And if they say, no, well,
Speaker 3: what are you going to do? You know, you need
Speaker 3: to go ahead and get on board here, get with
Speaker 3: the program. So I think it will start seeing more
Speaker 3: of that. But I mean, yes, what's interesting about this
Speaker 3: year though for me and I think this is this
Speaker 3: kind of happened like between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: Like you had black women who I mean, we know
Speaker 3: are the most loyal and consistent, you know, based the
Speaker 3: Democratic Party really feeling like yeah, like that they're being
Speaker 3: looked to to save democracy, you know, and if they
Speaker 3: don't come out in certain numbers, it's their fault, you know,
Speaker 3: if the Democratic candidate doesn't win. That's not where Black
Speaker 3: women are anymore. Though, like that they are rejecting kind.
Speaker 4: Of that.
Speaker 3: Burden, I guess is for lack of a better word,
Speaker 3: and this is really about their power. Like that is
Speaker 3: how they are seeing this election, especially in the wake
Speaker 3: of the Dobb's decision that ended federal protections for abortion, like,
Speaker 3: you know, with a loss of rights, with folks feeling
Speaker 3: so many women feeling like they have fewer rights in
Speaker 3: their mothers and grandmothers, Like they are saying, no, like
Speaker 3: we this is not just about us saving democracy. This
Speaker 3: is about us saving ourselves and asserting our power. And
Speaker 3: I think that is why you are also seeing this
Speaker 3: multi racial, multi generational coalition of women too, because I mean,
Speaker 3: look forty four thousand black women getting on a call,
Speaker 3: but I mean look at the white women for Harris Zoom.
Speaker 3: That happens, you know right behind that. You know they
Speaker 3: are thinking about twenty sixteen. They literally are in a
Speaker 3: position now where they are feeling like they have skin,
Speaker 3: literal skin in the game, which is the thing that
Speaker 3: makes a difference so often, right, So I'm.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: Like I said when I say women are the deciders
Speaker 3: of the election, I think that you are seeing women
Speaker 3: coming together in a way that is really interesting and
Speaker 3: doesn't always happen.
Speaker 4: Like I've written about how.
Speaker 3: When women have to choose between their race and their gender,
Speaker 3: I mean they choose race. But when black women do that,
Speaker 3: it usually helps more people, and when white women do
Speaker 3: that it usually does not.
Speaker 1: And to see them have such a huge I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm biracial, my mom is white, and twenty twenty was
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen rather twenty sixteen, and through twenty twenty was
Speaker 1: just like it was just this. I am like a
Speaker 1: fault line in our family. I feel like it really
Speaker 1: just like fractured so much. And my mom was one
Speaker 1: of the and I've been vocal about this, and she
Speaker 1: is reformed and she is Michelle Obama's biggest fan now
Speaker 1: as a but she was one of those never Hillary,
Speaker 1: you know, vote for Trump in twenty sixteen, and she
Speaker 1: wasn't alone and like the at least from what I've read.
Speaker 1: In what I've listened, I get the impression that like,
Speaker 1: white women were a huge reason why he was successful
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. That's exactly right, yeah, and could have
Speaker 1: been in twenty twenty. So I think that the shift
Speaker 1: now is that I feel it from my mom too.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, this is she is being in the
Speaker 1: driver's seat of like pushing her own like doing her
Speaker 1: own work to get the word out and being involved
Speaker 1: and like being like understanding her responsibility and her privilege
Speaker 1: as a white woman in her role. And I think
Speaker 1: that to me is a lot more heartening, very heartening,
Speaker 1: and makes me feel like, Okay, this can be different.
Speaker 1: It's not no one's looking to us and being like
Speaker 1: y'all fix it, you know entirely anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so interesting.
Speaker 3: Because you know, as people have really just tried to
Speaker 3: ascribe what we're seeing right now with Vice President Harris
Speaker 3: to you know, vibes, you know joy. I literally wrote
Speaker 3: this in a recent column, like it is not joy
Speaker 3: actually is a strategy because it is translating into action.
Speaker 4: Your mom not just saying.
Speaker 3: She's going to cast a ballot for Kamala Harris, but
Speaker 3: saying I'm willing to do some work to help her
Speaker 3: get elected like that because she's excited, right because she is.
Speaker 3: She is she is hopeful, she is feeling joyful about
Speaker 3: this election, and she wants to do something as Michelle
Speaker 3: Obama told her to do. Apparently now that she's a
Speaker 3: she's a stand, she's ready to do something. And so
Speaker 3: there there are and there are people like that, not
Speaker 3: just people who maybe couldn't support Hillary or or voted
Speaker 3: for Trump before, but but even people who maybe, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, we're Democrats and we're gonna vote already, but
Speaker 3: like they are also willing to do other things. They're
Speaker 3: willing to I ain't never got so many text messages
Speaker 3: y'all from from uh the Democratic Party. I'm like, y'all
Speaker 3: texted me more than my man and my Mama, Like,
Speaker 3: why am I hearing from you so much?
Speaker 4: It's a lot. But that's just how many volunteers they
Speaker 4: have working.
Speaker 3: Right, people came to our neighborhood and were door knocking,
Speaker 3: like I haven't I can't remember the last time somebody
Speaker 3: came and knocked on my door with literature for a
Speaker 3: can for any candidate, right, so like, but but these
Speaker 3: people have signed up for shifts and they are they
Speaker 3: are they are doing what they feel that they can
Speaker 3: do to help her win. And so I think that
Speaker 3: that matters. There's so many more young people that I've
Speaker 3: seen before. They remind you of like kind of like
Speaker 3: the upswelling for for President Obama, you know, the general
Speaker 3: sense of excitement. Before it was kind of like I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do my duty, and now there's this sense of
Speaker 3: excitement which she brilliantly you know, her vice president choice.
Speaker 3: I'm like, girl, you have the main life, Jesus. I mean,
Speaker 3: you just he popped out, didn't he?
Speaker 4: He?
Speaker 2: He really popped out pow on those podcasts, and he
Speaker 2: popped out on cable news and suddenly got on the radar,
Speaker 2: and and I mean, who saw him.
Speaker 3: I certainly did not see him coming We'll be honest,
Speaker 3: did not see him coming.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but now that man was, they have.
Speaker 3: They seem to have a genuine chemistry. People are responding
Speaker 3: to him and and people and certainly he Democrats seem
Speaker 3: much more excited about their vice presidential nominee than Republicans
Speaker 3: right now, uh, which which is really really interesting, Like
Speaker 3: I cannot wait for that debate.
Speaker 1: That is coming going to be one there.
Speaker 3: There's supposed to be a vice presidential debate on October first,
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 4: So let's yeah and get set. Yeah, get get ready, folks.
Speaker 3: Because I would really I'm just really interested to see
Speaker 3: I mean, it's two very contrasting versions of masculinity and
Speaker 3: so to see them on stage and to see the
Speaker 3: gender of it all, which we saw the gender of
Speaker 3: it all in the presidential debate between Harrison Trump, but
Speaker 3: to see that between these two men in terms of
Speaker 3: how that also influences their vision for America, I think
Speaker 3: that will be super interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that level of engagement, the record number of people
Speaker 1: who tuned into the presidential debate, that makes me, yes,
Speaker 1: really excited, I mean, and.
Speaker 3: Also immediately clipping the stuff for TikTok. I mean, they
Speaker 3: are trying to reach these young people.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, whoever's doing a social media is social media.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: I was actually at a dinner party this weekend and
Speaker 1: one of the people there she was like, this day's
Speaker 1: at the table. Meanwhile, and here you are, here, you
Speaker 1: are You're like sure, this is the way. I can't
Speaker 1: fear Listen, I didn't sign an NBA anyway, no names given,
Speaker 1: but anyway, and she I'm sure she's one of the
Speaker 1: many strategists who are like advising the campaign and all
Speaker 1: of that. But she was just talking a little bit
Speaker 1: about how like how they are creating the clips and
Speaker 1: feeding them to the you know, accounts to post them
Speaker 1: and all of that, and just like they're so tuned
Speaker 1: in and they get it, like they get where the
Speaker 1: audience is at, especially the young people.
Speaker 3: Meeting them where they are right and meeting all kinds
Speaker 3: of people where they're up here. Maybe you maybe you
Speaker 3: came for Shannon Sharp, but the next thing you know,
Speaker 3: you're watching some election content.
Speaker 4: Look it up.
Speaker 3: If you don't know what I'm talking about, people, I
Speaker 3: can't get into it. We can't get into it right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know much it.
Speaker 4: We're not getting to get into it.
Speaker 1: Let's not get into it now. Well, in this time,
Speaker 1: you're as a journalist, Like, how are you? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is just like at the nineteenth, I imagine It's
Speaker 1: just like when I think about what y'all's office must
Speaker 1: look like. I'm sure you all work remote because you
Speaker 1: know you are a workforce of the future, as you
Speaker 1: should be. But the idea of so many brilliant, talented
Speaker 1: women covering this election is really crucial to me. What
Speaker 1: is y'all's approach? I mean, I love as a journalist,
Speaker 1: like old school journalism. I studied print when I think
Speaker 1: I was the last generation to be allowed to focus
Speaker 1: on prend Yeah, like legally you can't do that anymore,
Speaker 1: But at the time, it was all about being objective
Speaker 1: and like you weren't really talk you weren't really expected
Speaker 1: to bring your identity to the table. What I love
Speaker 1: about the nineteenth is that, well I don't know, but
Speaker 1: so much about y'all bringing your identity, but just acknowledging
Speaker 1: which audience you are representing and whose voices you want
Speaker 1: to be sure amplified. But can you talk about your
Speaker 1: approach to the nineteenth and the vision for it? And
Speaker 1: four or five years later, how are y'all doing on
Speaker 1: that front and has it been a challenge or are
Speaker 1: people getting it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And thank you for asking.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at the Nineteenth What we believe is
Speaker 3: that our lived experience is absolutely an asset to our storytelling,
Speaker 3: Like it is the lens that helps us to see
Speaker 3: the stories that other people are missing in our political journalism.
Speaker 3: It's the whole reason that we exist, right, It's because
Speaker 3: we felt like political journalism as it existed before we existed,
Speaker 3: was not telling the most honest and accurate story about
Speaker 3: who we are as a country, who we are as
Speaker 3: a democracy, and so that is something that we really
Speaker 3: have leaned into. But that is also something that has
Speaker 3: evolved to your point, right, I mean, like I said,
Speaker 3: we're four years old, we'll be five in January, and
Speaker 3: we you know started obviously we're named for the nineteenth
Speaker 3: Amendment for people who don't realize that, but you know,
Speaker 3: we were really focused on women and politics and so
Speaker 3: but we also realized that there are other people that
Speaker 3: are marginalized because of their gender, and to think about
Speaker 3: the relationship between gender more broadly in politics, like that
Speaker 3: felt like the conversation that we really needed to be
Speaker 3: having and driving. And so you know, what does it
Speaker 3: mean to be you know, an LGBTQ person participating in
Speaker 3: this democracy, whether that's as a voter, whether that is
Speaker 3: as a candidate, whether that is as an elected official,
Speaker 3: whether that is as an organizer. Right, Like that representation
Speaker 3: also matters. And also, I mean, obviously you cannot talk
Speaker 3: about you can't talk about marginalization and gender without also
Speaker 3: unpacking race. But I mean there's just so many race
Speaker 3: and gender intersect with everything in our in our society,
Speaker 3: and all of we believe that everything is political and
Speaker 3: that all politics is gendered. So like there's just there's
Speaker 3: there's no shortage of things that we can look at
Speaker 3: and say, Okay, there's a nineteenth angle to telling this story,
Speaker 3: and that just happens over and over again. So fast
Speaker 3: forward to you know, the events of July twenty first,
Speaker 3: and it's like, whoa, Okay, this is our Like we
Speaker 3: we already felt like we wanted to do work that
Speaker 3: was meeting the moment after the fall of Rope. But
Speaker 3: with I mean, if you would have told me when
Speaker 3: we started, because by the way, like part of our
Speaker 3: reason for existing was like our frustration with how women
Speaker 3: running for president were being covered.
Speaker 4: If you could have.
Speaker 3: Told me four years later that we would have a
Speaker 3: woman on the ballot, again, yeah, I didn't. I did
Speaker 3: not have that on my being a card at all
Speaker 3: for this selection.
Speaker 1: Basually interviewing Hillary Clinton about.
Speaker 3: That part, Wow, it's like, let's reflect and she's just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we got to get this done. And I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: because you really don't even have to be here, and
Speaker 3: yet here you are saying, let's get this across the
Speaker 3: finish line, even though I mean whatever, she's not over it,
Speaker 3: like she's she's clear about that, but like, also she
Speaker 3: sees she sees this opportunity, and I think that's what
Speaker 3: so many of the women that I hear from say, like, yes,
Speaker 3: this is unconventional, Yes this came together and it's just
Speaker 3: a very bizarre and unpresidented way, but it's here now.
Speaker 3: It's here now, and so let's get it done right
Speaker 3: and be you know, join the rest of so much
Speaker 3: of the world and having potentially a woman leading this democracy.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I mean, like now that, like I said,
Speaker 3: there is a woman on the ticket, you have so
Speaker 3: many folks who are at the nineteenth now who are
Speaker 3: ready to meet that moment who are thinking about what
Speaker 3: does that mean for our economy? What does that mean
Speaker 3: for the issue of gun violence? What does that mean
Speaker 3: for education? What does that mean for so many caregiving? Right? Like,
Speaker 3: that is something that has been a priority of this
Speaker 3: vice president, So like to be able to think about
Speaker 3: those things in terms of what it might mean for
Speaker 3: presidency is really fascinating. And also what it means if
Speaker 3: we do not get the woman candidate, Like, what is
Speaker 3: her opponent's stance on those issues, and what does that
Speaker 3: mean to our audiences who are going to be directly
Speaker 3: impacted by the policies that they are prioritizing.
Speaker 2: What are some of the things I know I hear
Speaker 2: people say all the time, Okay, she's a black woman.
Speaker 2: I don't want to just vote for her because she's
Speaker 2: a black woman. I don't know any of her policies.
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you hustlering? What would be some of
Speaker 2: the core things that you would say to a listener
Speaker 2: who might be like, I'm not really clear on some
Speaker 2: of her her core policies that would affect me. What
Speaker 2: could you see some of those things that people should
Speaker 2: be like, Oh, I had no idea, Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, and look that is not something that
Speaker 3: she's really been emphasizing on the campaign trail on her website,
Speaker 3: I think the issues have recently been posted on there,
Speaker 3: so like, you know, for people who are wanting to
Speaker 3: kind of read more about that that I think is
Speaker 3: now available. But you know, she definitely talks about the
Speaker 3: issue of affordability a lot, and like what is going
Speaker 3: to happen for the middle class if she is president,
Speaker 3: So talking about price gouging in grocery stores or you know,
Speaker 3: medical debt, is you know, not being on somebody's credit report,
Speaker 3: as you know, how is she going to address the
Speaker 3: gender wealth gap, racial wealth gap.
Speaker 4: She's talked about.
Speaker 3: Some of those things, but like I said, in terms
Speaker 3: of specifics, we haven't really gotten into the nuts and
Speaker 3: bolts of that kind of stuff. She's talked about housing
Speaker 3: affordability and how there are just too many young people,
Speaker 3: too many people in general in this country that just
Speaker 3: really do not have access to affordable housing and the
Speaker 3: choices that they have to make as a result of that,
Speaker 3: and so thinking about those people and also talking about
Speaker 3: that from her own personal experience as somebody who grew
Speaker 3: up with a mom who was renting until she became
Speaker 3: a homeowner when the Vice president was in high.
Speaker 4: School, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So like that that is something that you know, she
Speaker 3: has been pretty open about on the campaign trail. You know,
Speaker 3: I think a couple of other things that I would
Speaker 3: just say on that. I think both candidates have been
Speaker 3: pretty scant on policy. So it's not just that she
Speaker 3: has not, you know, told people what she's going to do.
Speaker 3: I don't think we have a very clear sense of
Speaker 3: what either of them could do. It's that part if
Speaker 3: they were president. And then the other thing is, you know,
Speaker 3: and and I think that this is something that the
Speaker 3: vice president surrogates have really been pretty vocal about and
Speaker 3: and and her too to an extent, like because she's
Speaker 3: not really getting into the race and gender of it
Speaker 3: all in terms of the historic nature of this campaign.
Speaker 3: But what the framing is is that she is the
Speaker 3: most she is qualified, Like, like, she is the most
Speaker 3: qualified person to be president. Like that's the argument. So like,
Speaker 3: don't vote for her just because she's the black woman.
Speaker 3: Vote for her if you believe that she is the
Speaker 3: most qualified person to be president in the United States,
Speaker 3: and she's trying to make the case for that, not
Speaker 3: for I think I think in twenty sixteen, it felt
Speaker 3: much more like, oh, you guys, we can we can
Speaker 3: make history together if you know, if if we vote
Speaker 3: for Hillary, Like that was the pitch to so many people.
Speaker 3: But this, this is not that. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: certainly there. You know, every time she she's on stage,
Speaker 3: you are very aware that you have a black woman
Speaker 3: running for president and if she won, what that would mean.
Speaker 3: But also yes, like there's a person who has the credentials,
Speaker 3: you know, to even be competing for this position, and
Speaker 3: so that is what she is choosing to focus on.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean for me, I just feel like
Speaker 1: she's I mean, every time she skips off that plane
Speaker 1: is at air Force two? What is she at air
Speaker 1: Force one? Yet when she skips off that plane in
Speaker 1: those pantsuits but the Converse sneakers, I'm just like that's
Speaker 1: my Like, there's signals, you know, she doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be like I mean, if she's proud she's black, she's female,
Speaker 1: she's proud to be black and an Indian American and
Speaker 1: all that. The intersectionality of her identity means so much
Speaker 1: to me and so many voters. So I don't really
Speaker 1: have a lot of patience for like people thinking is
Speaker 1: she this enough or that enough or whatnot? But for me,
Speaker 1: it's like it's a reminder and it's I'm constantly trying
Speaker 1: to remind anyone who will let me talk to them
Speaker 1: about it about how the president is not the end
Speaker 1: all be all for legislation. Look how much damage has
Speaker 1: been done with a democratic president in the White House.
Speaker 1: Look at the courts, you know. And this dinner that
Speaker 1: I mentioned being at had several black female judges at
Speaker 1: different levels federal and at the what's below the federal
Speaker 1: but like state level whatever local courts, and a couple
Speaker 1: of them have been appointed under Biden. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's the work that really matters. It's like who who
Speaker 1: were we electing in Congress and being more involved in
Speaker 1: the mid term elections and wanting people to understand that
Speaker 1: policy is important. Of course it is, and Kamala's views
Speaker 1: and her like her her stances on different issues, it
Speaker 1: absolutely does matter. But for me, it's about like what
Speaker 1: will this who will this person then support when they
Speaker 1: are on Capitol Hill and what kind of instruction will
Speaker 1: they give to the elect like our local elected officials
Speaker 1: to put forward like they're the ones writing these pieces
Speaker 1: of legislation and getting them across the House, and you know,
Speaker 1: executive orders can only go so far. Like, it really
Speaker 1: matters to me that people stop looking at the as
Speaker 1: if the president is like the end all be all
Speaker 1: and can somehow thwart all the you know, the damage
Speaker 1: that can be done to our democracy in the shadows,
Speaker 1: in the small city council rooms, in the in the
Speaker 1: in the boards of education, you know, where they're breaking
Speaker 1: down our education for our young people. All of that
Speaker 1: matters too. Do you get that sense aarin from like
Speaker 1: your readership. Are they are they tuned into that level?
Speaker 1: Are we focused on that level? Are we paying enough
Speaker 1: attention or do you guys feel like there's still work
Speaker 1: to be done to bring more of a spotlight to
Speaker 1: the small ways that people are chipping away at democracy,
Speaker 1: not just from the White House, but like at the local,
Speaker 1: local level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, we have focused a lot on
Speaker 3: what is happening in the States because that is where
Speaker 3: so much policy that is impacting people's daily lives also happening. Right,
Speaker 3: We just had an excellent series on the war on
Speaker 3: trans Americans in this country.
Speaker 4: Because state legislatures are absolutely have like.
Speaker 3: Legislating people's humanity like that is, that is the thing
Speaker 3: that is happening in our country right now, and we
Speaker 3: felt like it was important to highlight that because we
Speaker 3: know that gender this is part of what we mean.
Speaker 3: We say that gender is on the ballot, right, not
Speaker 3: just at the top of the ticket, up and down
Speaker 3: the ticket, wherever you live, and so reminding people of
Speaker 3: that felt very important. But also yeah, I mean, and look,
Speaker 3: the campaign certainly says it's not just the top of
Speaker 3: the ticket that's going to matter, right, I mean, I
Speaker 3: think that was.
Speaker 4: The lesson for those of us who were old enough.
Speaker 3: To remember the Obama presidency, right, I mean, this man
Speaker 3: could you know, he could only do so much. She
Speaker 3: certainly wasn't just the president for Black America, uh, but
Speaker 3: also had a Congress that was held bent on obstructing
Speaker 3: him at every turn.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 4: You know, so.
Speaker 3: What does that mean for an agenda that you want
Speaker 3: to get passed if you do not have kind of
Speaker 3: the levers of power to necessarily do that. I think
Speaker 3: you saw some of that as well with the Biden
Speaker 3: Harris administration. They were passing executive orders, so they said
Speaker 3: that they could when uh, you know, they had a
Speaker 3: Congress that was not cooperative because they didn't they didn't
Speaker 3: necessarily have a legislative governed like a legislative majority UH
Speaker 3: in Congress to do some of the things that they
Speaker 3: wanted to do. But I'm thinking about particularly reproductive rights,
Speaker 3: voting rights, criminal justice reform, just to name a few,
Speaker 3: immigration uh.
Speaker 1: Loans like that part. Yeah, still annoyed that she didn't
Speaker 1: come out and be like, excuse me, like how much
Speaker 1: how many billions of dollars did they forgive or cancel?
Speaker 1: You know, the Biden administry billions of largest student loan
Speaker 1: debt that they don't get I don't know, credit for
Speaker 1: whatever people think anyway, keep going.
Speaker 4: No, you know, the student loan debt. One.
Speaker 3: I also found that interesting because you think about we
Speaker 3: were just talking about kind of the the social media
Speaker 3: of it all in this election, Like you would have
Speaker 3: thought for as many people who had their loans who
Speaker 3: woke up one day and their student loans were forging.
Speaker 3: If that had been me, I would have been I
Speaker 3: would have been hitting TikTok so fast and so wow,
Speaker 3: like this has happened, and like I really was expecting
Speaker 3: kind of a flood of those types of videos and
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that just organically right, like not even
Speaker 3: that the campaign would have been asking people to share
Speaker 3: their stories of but but like organically I would have
Speaker 3: I would have thought that that would have happened, and
Speaker 3: that was that was not a thing that happened. And
Speaker 3: I also don't like there was more focus on kind
Speaker 3: of the legality or just kind of what the number
Speaker 3: was without the story behind those numbers, because I mean,
Speaker 3: that is literally life changing, changing, life changing for people.
Speaker 4: And y'all know, I mean.
Speaker 3: There are people our age, especially Black women our age,
Speaker 3: who are just now paying off student loans or are
Speaker 3: still paying off student Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well the numbers speak for themselves.
Speaker 2: I was able to go to the to the White
Speaker 2: House for a congressional briefing of student loans, and I
Speaker 2: was shocked that, like it was like after twenty years
Speaker 2: after leaving whatever institution that you were, there was like
Speaker 2: four percent of white folks would still owe the majority
Speaker 2: of their student loans, you know, only four percent, so
Speaker 2: most people would have paid them that after twenty years,
Speaker 2: ninety six percent of black folks who still own the
Speaker 2: vast majority of their student loans.
Speaker 3: Which is st it's stunning, I mean, and this is
Speaker 3: what we mean. We talk about the wealth gap, right,
Speaker 3: and also why equal pay matters. But like you think
Speaker 3: about and even if you had now ever gone to
Speaker 3: that meeting, like you see, I see it in my
Speaker 3: Facebook at least once a week somebody in my Facebook feed,
Speaker 3: to the extent that I'm still going on Facebook and
Speaker 3: checking it to keep up with what my friends are doing.
Speaker 4: Hi, I see you all thriving.
Speaker 3: But at least once a week somebody is saying it's
Speaker 3: posting about their last student loan pays and they are
Speaker 3: my age, yes, and I look young but I ain't.
Speaker 3: So it is like, really, I'm struck by that. I'm
Speaker 3: struck by and almost always black women, I'm struck by
Speaker 3: just how many of us we're putting so many things
Speaker 3: on hold because this was just hanging over us for
Speaker 3: our entire adulthood. Like that's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a sense of like if we talk about
Speaker 1: it out loud, someone might give it back, like they
Speaker 1: might take it away, like give it back to us.
Speaker 4: That maybe that's it, right.
Speaker 1: There's like a mistrust of did this really just.
Speaker 4: Have I can't tell nobody about this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want that are some Facebook group of
Speaker 5: about five hundred thousand women, mostly black women, and people
Speaker 5: do post when you're right, not as much as you
Speaker 5: would think, no, because we.
Speaker 4: Know we know the numbers, like we know how many
Speaker 4: millions of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this has happened for and yet we don't hear
Speaker 3: those stories nearly as much as I would have expected.
Speaker 1: Well, you're hearing it here, Brown Ambition fan.
Speaker 4: There we are there. We shall take a should we're
Speaker 4: correcting the record.
Speaker 1: I almost did, like the NPR thing. If you're just
Speaker 1: tuning in. Our guest is Aaron Names from the nineteenth
Speaker 1: Oh god, we'll be right back when more Brown Ambition
Speaker 1: All right, ba fam, We are back with Aaron Haynes,
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Speaker 1: they're doing the Lord's work. Okay, yes, the Lord's work.
Speaker 4: Appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Man. What should we talk about now? We talked so
Speaker 1: much about the election, Like, Aaron, what's it like to
Speaker 1: be I don't know, a badass journalist have been doing
Speaker 1: this for like thirty years and killing it like wow, And.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that it ain't been quite quite that
Speaker 3: I don't know, it hadn't.
Speaker 1: Been quite like really easy and super fun, right, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like really rich.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, no, none of the above fake news.
Speaker 4: No, But look this, I mean honestly, like I I
Speaker 4: really have.
Speaker 3: I've had an extraordinary career and I've gotten to cover
Speaker 3: so many things that I and just been in so
Speaker 3: many places that I just never would have expected because
Speaker 3: of the job that I have and so but also
Speaker 3: just getting to tell the truth about who we are
Speaker 3: as a country, like I and to do that on
Speaker 3: behalf of people who can't go to the places that
Speaker 3: I get to go to, like that has really.
Speaker 4: Been the honor of my professional life. It really has.
Speaker 3: And yeah, for as fraud as it has been at
Speaker 3: some points, to be a woman in this kind, to
Speaker 3: be a person of color in this country, for folks,
Speaker 3: to be queer people in this country, like it is
Speaker 3: an extraordinary time to be covering those things on behalf
Speaker 3: of those folks in a way that we just were
Speaker 3: not seeing happening anywhere else in just the four years
Speaker 3: that we have been doing this work at the nineteenth.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, I mean I like people people think about,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of what they would have done at
Speaker 3: different points in our history, like where would you have
Speaker 3: been or.
Speaker 4: What would you have you know, what air do you
Speaker 4: wish you had lived in?
Speaker 2: Or what?
Speaker 4: No, like this one, this one.
Speaker 3: Because there it is just extraordinary the time that we
Speaker 3: are living in and the people that come along behind
Speaker 3: us and read the first draft of history that we leave,
Speaker 3: I mean, they won't be leave what we live through,
Speaker 3: and so I try to think about that and be
Speaker 3: present in that even as I'm just kind of going
Speaker 3: from column to column or podcast to podcast. It's like, no,
Speaker 3: like this actually is an extraordinary privilege for me to
Speaker 3: be able to tell part of this story and leave
Speaker 3: this record behind.
Speaker 2: I was here, Well, how do you with all the
Speaker 2: It's almost like asking like a therapist, you know, how
Speaker 2: do you unwind? Like what is your mental health? Kind
Speaker 2: of like what do you do so that way it
Speaker 2: doesn't eat you up in the inside, because you know,
Speaker 2: right now is very so really it can be a
Speaker 2: scary time. You know, the last election felt crazy. This
Speaker 2: is you know, so close, and so what do you
Speaker 2: do for your own self personally?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first of all, shout out to my therapist. Okay,
Speaker 3: I couldn't make it without you, love you. We've been riding.
Speaker 3: We're gonna ride this thing to will fall off. But
Speaker 3: definitely have I talked to her about the election? One thousand percent?
Speaker 3: Do I continue to do that every single Like that
Speaker 3: is I don't, I don't. I don't miss a hair appointment,
Speaker 3: and I don't miss therapy. Okay, Like these are priorities
Speaker 3: for me. Also, I mean my emotional support. Uh, Pino Grigio, sure,
Speaker 3: I mean, let's be honest, it's happening. Uh love me,
Speaker 3: Love me a good glass bottle of wine. You know,
Speaker 3: watch it, watch a lot of Peppa Pig, y'all. For
Speaker 3: anybody who's followed my Twitter feeds, you know that I
Speaker 3: have a love hate relationship with Pepa.
Speaker 1: On purpose, like by yourself as your dog.
Speaker 3: Help childless dog lady, ginger dog lady right here is
Speaker 3: definitely watching Pepa Pig without You need.
Speaker 1: To watch Blue if you're gonna watch it by yourself.
Speaker 3: You know you keep saying Blue might be my next,
Speaker 3: might be my next because Pepa just makes me mostly angry.
Speaker 3: Is Blue gonna enrage me?
Speaker 1: Or no? Blue is going to chip way at your
Speaker 1: soul and make you believe in humanity? And like and
Speaker 1: it's so much better than I mean, I was a
Speaker 1: Peppistan as well, but I wouldn't watch them by myself. Bluey,
Speaker 1: I'll just turn on for a nice little just infusion
Speaker 1: of hope and love and optimism. I highly recommend. I
Speaker 1: think Ginger will love it. It's all about.
Speaker 4: Dogs, Ginger.
Speaker 3: I mean, god, it's you know, trying not to pet
Speaker 3: the hair off a Ginger as I, you know, sit
Speaker 3: on the couch and not.
Speaker 4: Pet the hair.
Speaker 1: She's like, girl like.
Speaker 3: Ginger's like, look, I know I said I was an
Speaker 3: emotional support dog, but you're doing too much.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm still holding it down on Twitter though, Man, I
Speaker 1: had I left Twitter, but threads is weird. I did
Speaker 1: this Twitter.
Speaker 3: I wish that I can't develop a new habit right now.
Speaker 3: I don't have the bandwidth for a new habit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's my problem. Yeah, those people that were baking
Speaker 3: bread in the pandemic, I'm like, who are you? Like,
Speaker 3: It's not going to happen for me, So I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't do it. So I didn't move on in
Speaker 3: the world. It's all I can do. I'm just texting
Speaker 3: means to my that's all. So a big part of
Speaker 3: my life, Tiffany so and all means that you find amusing,
Speaker 3: it's my my My dms are open because they are
Speaker 3: d ms and vibes are getting me through. Uh and yeah,
Speaker 3: and can't say enough about Pino Grecia.
Speaker 1: So I need to send you this rep from schan
Speaker 1: Tell Brown. She's a representative. Were you on the call
Speaker 1: last night?
Speaker 4: The Black women did not make the call last night?
Speaker 3: But I look, that's the thing, right, like four years
Speaker 3: of these calls, like I've been on many of these before,
Speaker 3: you know, the historic one, and it's.
Speaker 1: Just like us didn't get our invite until the historic one.
Speaker 4: Well they still they still happen in folks, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, are we.
Speaker 1: Still have black women? We'll put the link in the
Speaker 1: in the show notes for y'all Women with Black Women?
Speaker 1: Oprah Oprah Winfrey, she's hosting a why did I say
Speaker 1: her full name? Like y'all don't know? Wh Wow, she's
Speaker 1: a zoom Copamala. You know Lady Gayl's best friend, you know,
Speaker 1: Gail from CBS.
Speaker 4: I've heard something about it.
Speaker 1: It's like her friend and color Purple Women with Black Women.
Speaker 4: But she's about to do a call with Vice President Harris.
Speaker 1: She is, Ye, I believe that I did see that
Speaker 1: these are happening every Sunday. You can register for all
Speaker 1: the calls to come through the end of like through
Speaker 1: mid November. So I'll put a link to the to
Speaker 1: that in the show notes for y'all. Aarin, I feel
Speaker 1: like my last question I want to ask you career wise,
Speaker 1: how are you feeling and what's next for you? Because
Speaker 1: you know I'm the career girly. Is the next like what's.
Speaker 4: Your big That is a good question.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously continuing to cover the presidency no matter
Speaker 3: what happens, but you know that trying to get through
Speaker 3: this election is in my is in the close up.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, beyond that, like we cover politics and policy, right,
Speaker 3: so like continuing to think about the policies that are shaping.
Speaker 4: The laves of the people.
Speaker 3: That are are counting on us to to report on
Speaker 3: these things for them. So yeah, after the election, we're
Speaker 3: going to have to think about that based on who
Speaker 3: was elected up and down the ticket, Like what is
Speaker 3: that going to mean at the federal level, at the
Speaker 3: state level, at the local level, for women, for LGBTQ
Speaker 3: plus people, for people of color, for people with disabilities
Speaker 3: for all of the audiences that we have. But it
Speaker 3: just like I said, it is an exciting time to
Speaker 3: be doing the work that we are doing at the
Speaker 3: nineteenth because it feels very urgent for the people that
Speaker 3: we are writing for and about.
Speaker 4: This election is existential for a lot of those folks.
Speaker 3: The policies that the people who are elected, those policies
Speaker 3: are existential for a lot of people and literally determine
Speaker 3: their ability and to the extent to which that they
Speaker 3: are participating in. Our democracy is full citizens, right, So yeah,
Speaker 3: that is kind of where we are. Also, maybe we'll
Speaker 3: get a massage and or a vacation and after this yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean there was no break after November twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: like we have had no break, so that would.
Speaker 4: Be nice to also do that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we can all we can all take a
Speaker 3: little self care moment before inauguration.
Speaker 4: That is what That is my wish for all of you.
Speaker 4: That is that is my wish for all.
Speaker 1: Holding my breath, it does feel Yeah, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I can keep going, but I'm like it feels a
Speaker 1: little stressful. Assassination attempts January sixth, that come on.
Speaker 3: And who knows what is going to happen over the
Speaker 3: next seven weeks. We just we don't know.
Speaker 4: We don't know.
Speaker 1: Last question, last thoughts.
Speaker 2: We just thank you for coming on honestly, because I just,
Speaker 2: I mean, I am getting more and more hopeful every day,
Speaker 2: and it's just amazing to hear someone who's in the
Speaker 2: thick of it, you know, come out and swim with
Speaker 2: us a little bit here at Bran Ambition and just
Speaker 2: we thank you for your work because it's a lot.
Speaker 4: Take on a lot, so that way we can be
Speaker 4: more informed. Well that's the thing.
Speaker 3: We're all in this together, folks, Like we're gonna get
Speaker 3: through this election together like you are not alone. So yes,
Speaker 3: thank y'all for letting me hang out with you. I
Speaker 3: got as much out of this as both of you did.
Speaker 3: Trust me, trust me, trust me.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Definitely have to have you back so we could talk
Speaker 4: more like. Yes, that means yes.
Speaker 1: We've had Tiffany Cross on. I know you guys are paler.
Speaker 1: What ell should we have on? I want like nothing
Speaker 1: but black girl magic being the voice of this election.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh, there's too many people to name.
Speaker 3: I mean, Brittany Pacnick Cunningham is super fun. Uh and
Speaker 3: and she also has a fun new podcast that's going
Speaker 3: to be coming out Jamel Hill. Who I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: don't limit her to sports. She can talk about all
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: So that love that podcast, Yes, love.
Speaker 4: That for for for all of us.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean I mean, look Tiffany and or
Speaker 3: a good time on Native Land. But Angelus is also
Speaker 3: she has many thoughts on on on all things politics,
Speaker 3: so like you could definitely have her to come hang out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there are.
Speaker 3: So many, but I mean, there's no shortage of brilliant
Speaker 3: black women who y'all could hang out with over the
Speaker 3: next seven weeks and beyond as we just continue to
Speaker 3: unpack what is happening in this democracy and what it means,
Speaker 3: particularly for us.
Speaker 1: Thank you Aaron Haynes of the nineties. Everybody go check
Speaker 1: out her podcast The Amendment. But you already followed it earlier,
Speaker 1: but I told you too.
Speaker 4: Listen to Mary. She knows everything.
Speaker 1: I'm really smart. Thank you, Aaron. Best of luck, take
Speaker 1: care of yourself, Hang in there, squeeze your puppy, Go
Speaker 1: watch Blue Blueye. I'm telling you Chef's kiss You'll.
Speaker 4: Be don't forget to send my means.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will be some means not kidding, all right,
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