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Speaker 2: We're extra black, We're round ambition, ambition, ambition. We got

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Speaker 1: Okay, Aaron, are you wrapping the four oh four? What

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Speaker 3: At all times? But in the fact, yes, I literally

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Speaker 3: the land of the Georgia Bulldogs and sweet tea.

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Speaker 4: Glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: That makes me really like happy. I have no business

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Speaker 1: This has been a long time coming. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here. Longtime listener first time call

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Speaker 1: You've always been so supportive. Erin and I go way back.

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Speaker 1: Fran all right, So Aaron, if you guys do not

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, who do I cash app for this?

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Speaker 1: Because I imagine going into this election year you were. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Look, did you see Ronald.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna do one one lass, one less election.

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Speaker 1: State firm agents are small business owners too, so they

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Speaker 1: know how to help you choose personalized policies that fit

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Speaker 1: Talk to your local agent today. Well, Aaron, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: One of the things. So the Nineteenth puts out this survey.

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Speaker 1: one of the people there she was like, this day's

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Speaker 1: at the table. Meanwhile, and here you are, here, you

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Speaker 1: are You're like sure, this is the way. I can't

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Speaker 1: fear Listen, I didn't sign an NBA anyway, no names given,

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Speaker 1: but anyway, and she I'm sure she's one of the

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Speaker 1: many strategists who are like advising the campaign and all

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Speaker 1: of that. But she was just talking a little bit

444
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Speaker 1: about how like how they are creating the clips and

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Speaker 1: feeding them to the you know, accounts to post them

446
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Speaker 1: and all of that, and just like they're so tuned

447
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Speaker 1: in and they get it, like they get where the

448
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Speaker 1: audience is at, especially the young people.

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Speaker 3: Meeting them where they are right and meeting all kinds

450
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Speaker 3: of people where they're up here. Maybe you maybe you

451
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Speaker 3: came for Shannon Sharp, but the next thing you know,

452
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Speaker 3: you're watching some election content.

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Speaker 4: Look it up.

454
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Speaker 3: If you don't know what I'm talking about, people, I

455
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Speaker 3: can't get into it. We can't get into it right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know much it.

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Speaker 4: We're not getting to get into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's not get into it now. Well, in this time,

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Speaker 1: you're as a journalist, Like, how are you? I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is just like at the nineteenth, I imagine It's

461
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Speaker 1: just like when I think about what y'all's office must

462
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Speaker 1: look like. I'm sure you all work remote because you

463
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Speaker 1: know you are a workforce of the future, as you

464
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Speaker 1: should be. But the idea of so many brilliant, talented

465
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Speaker 1: women covering this election is really crucial to me. What

466
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Speaker 1: is y'all's approach? I mean, I love as a journalist,

467
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Speaker 1: like old school journalism. I studied print when I think

468
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Speaker 1: I was the last generation to be allowed to focus

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Speaker 1: on prend Yeah, like legally you can't do that anymore,

470
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Speaker 1: But at the time, it was all about being objective

471
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Speaker 1: and like you weren't really talk you weren't really expected

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Speaker 1: to bring your identity to the table. What I love

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Speaker 1: about the nineteenth is that, well I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: so much about y'all bringing your identity, but just acknowledging

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Speaker 1: which audience you are representing and whose voices you want

476
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Speaker 1: to be sure amplified. But can you talk about your

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Speaker 1: approach to the nineteenth and the vision for it? And

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Speaker 1: four or five years later, how are y'all doing on

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Speaker 1: that front and has it been a challenge or are

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Speaker 1: people getting it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? And thank you for asking.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at the Nineteenth What we believe is

483
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Speaker 3: that our lived experience is absolutely an asset to our storytelling,

484
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Speaker 3: Like it is the lens that helps us to see

485
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Speaker 3: the stories that other people are missing in our political journalism.

486
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Speaker 3: It's the whole reason that we exist, right, It's because

487
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Speaker 3: we felt like political journalism as it existed before we existed,

488
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Speaker 3: was not telling the most honest and accurate story about

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Speaker 3: who we are as a country, who we are as

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Speaker 3: a democracy, and so that is something that we really

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Speaker 3: have leaned into. But that is also something that has

492
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Speaker 3: evolved to your point, right, I mean, like I said,

493
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Speaker 3: we're four years old, we'll be five in January, and

494
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Speaker 3: we you know started obviously we're named for the nineteenth

495
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Speaker 3: Amendment for people who don't realize that, but you know,

496
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Speaker 3: we were really focused on women and politics and so

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Speaker 3: but we also realized that there are other people that

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Speaker 3: are marginalized because of their gender, and to think about

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Speaker 3: the relationship between gender more broadly in politics, like that

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Speaker 3: felt like the conversation that we really needed to be

501
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Speaker 3: having and driving. And so you know, what does it

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Speaker 3: mean to be you know, an LGBTQ person participating in

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Speaker 3: this democracy, whether that's as a voter, whether that is

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Speaker 3: as a candidate, whether that is as an elected official,

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Speaker 3: whether that is as an organizer. Right, Like that representation

506
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Speaker 3: also matters. And also, I mean, obviously you cannot talk

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Speaker 3: about you can't talk about marginalization and gender without also

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Speaker 3: unpacking race. But I mean there's just so many race

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Speaker 3: and gender intersect with everything in our in our society,

510
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Speaker 3: and all of we believe that everything is political and

511
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Speaker 3: that all politics is gendered. So like there's just there's

512
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Speaker 3: there's no shortage of things that we can look at

513
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Speaker 3: and say, Okay, there's a nineteenth angle to telling this story,

514
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Speaker 3: and that just happens over and over again. So fast

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Speaker 3: forward to you know, the events of July twenty first,

516
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Speaker 3: and it's like, whoa, Okay, this is our Like we

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Speaker 3: we already felt like we wanted to do work that

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Speaker 3: was meeting the moment after the fall of Rope. But

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Speaker 3: with I mean, if you would have told me when

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Speaker 3: we started, because by the way, like part of our

521
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Speaker 3: reason for existing was like our frustration with how women

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Speaker 3: running for president were being covered.

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Speaker 4: If you could have.

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Speaker 3: Told me four years later that we would have a

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Speaker 3: woman on the ballot, again, yeah, I didn't. I did

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Speaker 3: not have that on my being a card at all

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Speaker 3: for this selection.

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Speaker 1: Basually interviewing Hillary Clinton about.

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Speaker 3: That part, Wow, it's like, let's reflect and she's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we got to get this done. And I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 3: because you really don't even have to be here, and

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Speaker 3: yet here you are saying, let's get this across the

533
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Speaker 3: finish line, even though I mean whatever, she's not over it,

534
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Speaker 3: like she's she's clear about that, but like, also she

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Speaker 3: sees she sees this opportunity, and I think that's what

536
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Speaker 3: so many of the women that I hear from say, like, yes,

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Speaker 3: this is unconventional, Yes this came together and it's just

538
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Speaker 3: a very bizarre and unpresidented way, but it's here now.

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Speaker 3: It's here now, and so let's get it done right

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Speaker 3: and be you know, join the rest of so much

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Speaker 3: of the world and having potentially a woman leading this democracy.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, I mean, like now that, like I said,

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Speaker 3: there is a woman on the ticket, you have so

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Speaker 3: many folks who are at the nineteenth now who are

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Speaker 3: ready to meet that moment who are thinking about what

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Speaker 3: does that mean for our economy? What does that mean

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Speaker 3: for the issue of gun violence? What does that mean

548
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Speaker 3: for education? What does that mean for so many caregiving? Right? Like,

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Speaker 3: that is something that has been a priority of this

550
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Speaker 3: vice president, So like to be able to think about

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Speaker 3: those things in terms of what it might mean for

552
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Speaker 3: presidency is really fascinating. And also what it means if

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Speaker 3: we do not get the woman candidate, Like, what is

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Speaker 3: her opponent's stance on those issues, and what does that

555
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Speaker 3: mean to our audiences who are going to be directly

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Speaker 3: impacted by the policies that they are prioritizing.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the things I know I hear

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Speaker 2: people say all the time, Okay, she's a black woman.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to just vote for her because she's

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Speaker 2: a black woman. I don't know any of her policies.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, are you hustlering? What would be some of

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Speaker 2: the core things that you would say to a listener

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Speaker 2: who might be like, I'm not really clear on some

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Speaker 2: of her her core policies that would affect me. What

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Speaker 2: could you see some of those things that people should

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Speaker 2: be like, Oh, I had no idea, Well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, and look that is not something that

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Speaker 3: she's really been emphasizing on the campaign trail on her website,

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Speaker 3: I think the issues have recently been posted on there,

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Speaker 3: so like, you know, for people who are wanting to

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Speaker 3: kind of read more about that that I think is

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Speaker 3: now available. But you know, she definitely talks about the

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Speaker 3: issue of affordability a lot, and like what is going

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Speaker 3: to happen for the middle class if she is president,

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Speaker 3: So talking about price gouging in grocery stores or you know,

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Speaker 3: medical debt, is you know, not being on somebody's credit report,

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Speaker 3: as you know, how is she going to address the

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Speaker 3: gender wealth gap, racial wealth gap.

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Speaker 4: She's talked about.

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Speaker 3: Some of those things, but like I said, in terms

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Speaker 3: of specifics, we haven't really gotten into the nuts and

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Speaker 3: bolts of that kind of stuff. She's talked about housing

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Speaker 3: affordability and how there are just too many young people,

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Speaker 3: too many people in general in this country that just

585
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Speaker 3: really do not have access to affordable housing and the

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Speaker 3: choices that they have to make as a result of that,

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Speaker 3: and so thinking about those people and also talking about

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Speaker 3: that from her own personal experience as somebody who grew

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Speaker 3: up with a mom who was renting until she became

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Speaker 3: a homeowner when the Vice president was in high.

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Speaker 4: School, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So like that that is something that you know, she

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Speaker 3: has been pretty open about on the campaign trail. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think a couple of other things that I would

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Speaker 3: just say on that. I think both candidates have been

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Speaker 3: pretty scant on policy. So it's not just that she

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Speaker 3: has not, you know, told people what she's going to do.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we have a very clear sense of

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Speaker 3: what either of them could do. It's that part if

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Speaker 3: they were president. And then the other thing is, you know,

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Speaker 3: and and I think that this is something that the

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Speaker 3: vice president surrogates have really been pretty vocal about and

603
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Speaker 3: and and her too to an extent, like because she's

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Speaker 3: not really getting into the race and gender of it

605
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Speaker 3: all in terms of the historic nature of this campaign.

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Speaker 3: But what the framing is is that she is the

607
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Speaker 3: most she is qualified, Like, like, she is the most

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Speaker 3: qualified person to be president. Like that's the argument. So like,

609
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Speaker 3: don't vote for her just because she's the black woman.

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Speaker 3: Vote for her if you believe that she is the

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Speaker 3: most qualified person to be president in the United States,

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Speaker 3: and she's trying to make the case for that, not

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Speaker 3: for I think I think in twenty sixteen, it felt

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Speaker 3: much more like, oh, you guys, we can we can

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Speaker 3: make history together if you know, if if we vote

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Speaker 3: for Hillary, Like that was the pitch to so many people.

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Speaker 3: But this, this is not that. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 3: certainly there. You know, every time she she's on stage,

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Speaker 3: you are very aware that you have a black woman

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Speaker 3: running for president and if she won, what that would mean.

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Speaker 3: But also yes, like there's a person who has the credentials,

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Speaker 3: you know, to even be competing for this position, and

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Speaker 3: so that is what she is choosing to focus on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean for me, I just feel like

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Speaker 1: she's I mean, every time she skips off that plane

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Speaker 1: is at air Force two? What is she at air

627
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Speaker 1: Force one? Yet when she skips off that plane in

628
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Speaker 1: those pantsuits but the Converse sneakers, I'm just like that's

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Speaker 1: my Like, there's signals, you know, she doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: be like I mean, if she's proud she's black, she's female,

631
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Speaker 1: she's proud to be black and an Indian American and

632
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Speaker 1: all that. The intersectionality of her identity means so much

633
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Speaker 1: to me and so many voters. So I don't really

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Speaker 1: have a lot of patience for like people thinking is

635
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Speaker 1: she this enough or that enough or whatnot? But for me,

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Speaker 1: it's like it's a reminder and it's I'm constantly trying

637
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Speaker 1: to remind anyone who will let me talk to them

638
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: about it about how the president is not the end

639
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: all be all for legislation. Look how much damage has

640
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: been done with a democratic president in the White House.

641
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: Look at the courts, you know. And this dinner that

642
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Speaker 1: I mentioned being at had several black female judges at

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Speaker 1: different levels federal and at the what's below the federal

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Speaker 1: but like state level whatever local courts, and a couple

645
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: of them have been appointed under Biden. And I'm like,

646
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Speaker 1: that's the work that really matters. It's like who who

647
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: were we electing in Congress and being more involved in

648
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Speaker 1: the mid term elections and wanting people to understand that

649
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Speaker 1: policy is important. Of course it is, and Kamala's views

650
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: and her like her her stances on different issues, it

651
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Speaker 1: absolutely does matter. But for me, it's about like what

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Speaker 1: will this who will this person then support when they

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Speaker 1: are on Capitol Hill and what kind of instruction will

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Speaker 1: they give to the elect like our local elected officials

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Speaker 1: to put forward like they're the ones writing these pieces

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Speaker 1: of legislation and getting them across the House, and you know,

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Speaker 1: executive orders can only go so far. Like, it really

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Speaker 1: matters to me that people stop looking at the as

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Speaker 1: if the president is like the end all be all

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Speaker 1: and can somehow thwart all the you know, the damage

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Speaker 1: that can be done to our democracy in the shadows,

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Speaker 1: in the small city council rooms, in the in the

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Speaker 1: in the boards of education, you know, where they're breaking

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Speaker 1: down our education for our young people. All of that

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Speaker 1: matters too. Do you get that sense aarin from like

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Speaker 1: your readership. Are they are they tuned into that level?

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Speaker 1: Are we focused on that level? Are we paying enough

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Speaker 1: attention or do you guys feel like there's still work

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Speaker 1: to be done to bring more of a spotlight to

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Speaker 1: the small ways that people are chipping away at democracy,

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Speaker 1: not just from the White House, but like at the local,

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Speaker 1: local level.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, we have focused a lot on

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Speaker 3: what is happening in the States because that is where

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Speaker 3: so much policy that is impacting people's daily lives also happening. Right,

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Speaker 3: We just had an excellent series on the war on

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Speaker 3: trans Americans in this country.

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Speaker 4: Because state legislatures are absolutely have like.

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Speaker 3: Legislating people's humanity like that is, that is the thing

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Speaker 3: that is happening in our country right now, and we

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Speaker 3: felt like it was important to highlight that because we

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Speaker 3: know that gender this is part of what we mean.

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Speaker 3: We say that gender is on the ballot, right, not

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Speaker 3: just at the top of the ticket, up and down

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Speaker 3: the ticket, wherever you live, and so reminding people of

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Speaker 3: that felt very important. But also yeah, I mean, and look,

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Speaker 3: the campaign certainly says it's not just the top of

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Speaker 3: the ticket that's going to matter, right, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think that was.

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Speaker 4: The lesson for those of us who were old enough.

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Speaker 3: To remember the Obama presidency, right, I mean, this man

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Speaker 3: could you know, he could only do so much. She

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Speaker 3: certainly wasn't just the president for Black America, uh, but

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Speaker 3: also had a Congress that was held bent on obstructing

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Speaker 3: him at every turn.

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Speaker 2: Ever.

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Speaker 4: You know, so.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean for an agenda that you want

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Speaker 3: to get passed if you do not have kind of

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Speaker 3: the levers of power to necessarily do that. I think

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Speaker 3: you saw some of that as well with the Biden

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Speaker 3: Harris administration. They were passing executive orders, so they said

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Speaker 3: that they could when uh, you know, they had a

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Speaker 3: Congress that was not cooperative because they didn't they didn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily have a legislative governed like a legislative majority UH

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Speaker 3: in Congress to do some of the things that they

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Speaker 3: wanted to do. But I'm thinking about particularly reproductive rights,

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Speaker 3: voting rights, criminal justice reform, just to name a few,

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Speaker 3: immigration uh.

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Speaker 1: Loans like that part. Yeah, still annoyed that she didn't

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Speaker 1: come out and be like, excuse me, like how much

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Speaker 1: how many billions of dollars did they forgive or cancel?

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Speaker 1: You know, the Biden administry billions of largest student loan

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Speaker 1: debt that they don't get I don't know, credit for

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Speaker 1: whatever people think anyway, keep going.

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Speaker 4: No, you know, the student loan debt. One.

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Speaker 3: I also found that interesting because you think about we

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Speaker 3: were just talking about kind of the the social media

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Speaker 3: of it all in this election, Like you would have

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Speaker 3: thought for as many people who had their loans who

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Speaker 3: woke up one day and their student loans were forging.

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Speaker 3: If that had been me, I would have been I

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Speaker 3: would have been hitting TikTok so fast and so wow,

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Speaker 3: like this has happened, and like I really was expecting

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Speaker 3: kind of a flood of those types of videos and

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that just organically right, like not even

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Speaker 3: that the campaign would have been asking people to share

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Speaker 3: their stories of but but like organically I would have

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Speaker 3: I would have thought that that would have happened, and

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Speaker 3: that was that was not a thing that happened. And

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Speaker 3: I also don't like there was more focus on kind

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Speaker 3: of the legality or just kind of what the number

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Speaker 3: was without the story behind those numbers, because I mean,

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Speaker 3: that is literally life changing, changing, life changing for people.

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Speaker 4: And y'all know, I mean.

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Speaker 3: There are people our age, especially Black women our age,

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Speaker 3: who are just now paying off student loans or are

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Speaker 3: still paying off student Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well the numbers speak for themselves.

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Speaker 2: I was able to go to the to the White

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Speaker 2: House for a congressional briefing of student loans, and I

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Speaker 2: was shocked that, like it was like after twenty years

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Speaker 2: after leaving whatever institution that you were, there was like

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Speaker 2: four percent of white folks would still owe the majority

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Speaker 2: of their student loans, you know, only four percent, so

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Speaker 2: most people would have paid them that after twenty years,

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Speaker 2: ninety six percent of black folks who still own the

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Speaker 2: vast majority of their student loans.

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Speaker 3: Which is st it's stunning, I mean, and this is

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Speaker 3: what we mean. We talk about the wealth gap, right,

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Speaker 3: and also why equal pay matters. But like you think

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Speaker 3: about and even if you had now ever gone to

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Speaker 3: that meeting, like you see, I see it in my

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Speaker 3: Facebook at least once a week somebody in my Facebook feed,

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Speaker 3: to the extent that I'm still going on Facebook and

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Speaker 3: checking it to keep up with what my friends are doing.

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Speaker 4: Hi, I see you all thriving.

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Speaker 3: But at least once a week somebody is saying it's

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Speaker 3: posting about their last student loan pays and they are

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Speaker 3: my age, yes, and I look young but I ain't.

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Speaker 3: So it is like, really, I'm struck by that. I'm

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Speaker 3: struck by and almost always black women, I'm struck by

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Speaker 3: just how many of us we're putting so many things

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Speaker 3: on hold because this was just hanging over us for

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Speaker 3: our entire adulthood. Like that's crazy, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's a sense of like if we talk about

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Speaker 1: it out loud, someone might give it back, like they

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Speaker 1: might take it away, like give it back to us.

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Speaker 4: That maybe that's it, right.

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Speaker 1: There's like a mistrust of did this really just.

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Speaker 4: Have I can't tell nobody about this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want that are some Facebook group of

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Speaker 5: about five hundred thousand women, mostly black women, and people

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Speaker 5: do post when you're right, not as much as you

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Speaker 5: would think, no, because we.

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Speaker 4: Know we know the numbers, like we know how many

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Speaker 4: millions of people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this has happened for and yet we don't hear

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Speaker 3: those stories nearly as much as I would have expected.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're hearing it here, Brown Ambition fan.

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Speaker 4: There we are there. We shall take a should we're

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Speaker 4: correcting the record.

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Speaker 1: I almost did, like the NPR thing. If you're just

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Speaker 1: tuning in. Our guest is Aaron Names from the nineteenth

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Speaker 1: Oh god, we'll be right back when more Brown Ambition

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Speaker 1: All right, ba fam, We are back with Aaron Haynes,

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Speaker 1: editor at Large of the Nineteenth again the nineteenth News

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Speaker 1: dot org. And you should donate because they're nonprofit and

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Speaker 1: they're doing the Lord's work. Okay, yes, the Lord's work.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Man. What should we talk about now? We talked so

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Speaker 1: much about the election, Like, Aaron, what's it like to

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Speaker 1: be I don't know, a badass journalist have been doing

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Speaker 1: this for like thirty years and killing it like wow, And.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that it ain't been quite quite that

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it hadn't.

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Speaker 1: Been quite like really easy and super fun, right, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you're like really rich.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, no, none of the above fake news.

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Speaker 4: No, But look this, I mean honestly, like I I

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Speaker 4: really have.

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Speaker 3: I've had an extraordinary career and I've gotten to cover

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Speaker 3: so many things that I and just been in so

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Speaker 3: many places that I just never would have expected because

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Speaker 3: of the job that I have and so but also

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Speaker 3: just getting to tell the truth about who we are

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Speaker 3: as a country, like I and to do that on

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Speaker 3: behalf of people who can't go to the places that

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Speaker 3: I get to go to, like that has really.

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Speaker 4: Been the honor of my professional life. It really has.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, for as fraud as it has been at

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Speaker 3: some points, to be a woman in this kind, to

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Speaker 3: be a person of color in this country, for folks,

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Speaker 3: to be queer people in this country, like it is

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Speaker 3: an extraordinary time to be covering those things on behalf

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Speaker 3: of those folks in a way that we just were

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Speaker 3: not seeing happening anywhere else in just the four years

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Speaker 3: that we have been doing this work at the nineteenth.

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Speaker 3: So so yeah, I mean I like people people think about,

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Speaker 3: you know, kind of what they would have done at

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Speaker 3: different points in our history, like where would you have

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Speaker 3: been or.

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Speaker 4: What would you have you know, what air do you

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Speaker 4: wish you had lived in?

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Speaker 2: Or what?

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Speaker 4: No, like this one, this one.

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Speaker 3: Because there it is just extraordinary the time that we

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Speaker 3: are living in and the people that come along behind

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Speaker 3: us and read the first draft of history that we leave,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they won't be leave what we live through,

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Speaker 3: and so I try to think about that and be

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Speaker 3: present in that even as I'm just kind of going

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Speaker 3: from column to column or podcast to podcast. It's like, no,

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Speaker 3: like this actually is an extraordinary privilege for me to

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Speaker 3: be able to tell part of this story and leave

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Speaker 3: this record behind.

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Speaker 2: I was here, Well, how do you with all the

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Speaker 2: It's almost like asking like a therapist, you know, how

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Speaker 2: do you unwind? Like what is your mental health? Kind

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Speaker 2: of like what do you do so that way it

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Speaker 2: doesn't eat you up in the inside, because you know,

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Speaker 2: right now is very so really it can be a

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Speaker 2: scary time. You know, the last election felt crazy. This

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Speaker 2: is you know, so close, and so what do you

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Speaker 2: do for your own self personally?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first of all, shout out to my therapist. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't make it without you, love you. We've been riding.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna ride this thing to will fall off. But

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Speaker 3: definitely have I talked to her about the election? One thousand percent?

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Speaker 3: Do I continue to do that every single Like that

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Speaker 3: is I don't, I don't. I don't miss a hair appointment,

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Speaker 3: and I don't miss therapy. Okay, Like these are priorities

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Speaker 3: for me. Also, I mean my emotional support. Uh, Pino Grigio, sure,

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's be honest, it's happening. Uh love me,

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Speaker 3: Love me a good glass bottle of wine. You know,

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Speaker 3: watch it, watch a lot of Peppa Pig, y'all. For

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Speaker 3: anybody who's followed my Twitter feeds, you know that I

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Speaker 3: have a love hate relationship with Pepa.

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Speaker 1: On purpose, like by yourself as your dog.

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Speaker 3: Help childless dog lady, ginger dog lady right here is

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Speaker 3: definitely watching Pepa Pig without You need.

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Speaker 1: To watch Blue if you're gonna watch it by yourself.

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Speaker 3: You know you keep saying Blue might be my next,

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Speaker 3: might be my next because Pepa just makes me mostly angry.

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Speaker 3: Is Blue gonna enrage me?

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Speaker 1: Or no? Blue is going to chip way at your

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Speaker 1: soul and make you believe in humanity? And like and

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Speaker 1: it's so much better than I mean, I was a

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Speaker 1: Peppistan as well, but I wouldn't watch them by myself. Bluey,

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Speaker 1: I'll just turn on for a nice little just infusion

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Speaker 1: of hope and love and optimism. I highly recommend. I

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Speaker 1: think Ginger will love it. It's all about.

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Speaker 4: Dogs, Ginger.

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Speaker 3: I mean, god, it's you know, trying not to pet

876
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Speaker 3: the hair off a Ginger as I, you know, sit

877
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Speaker 3: on the couch and not.

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Speaker 4: Pet the hair.

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Speaker 1: She's like, girl like.

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Speaker 3: Ginger's like, look, I know I said I was an

881
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Speaker 3: emotional support dog, but you're doing too much.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: I'm still holding it down on Twitter though, Man, I

884
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Speaker 1: had I left Twitter, but threads is weird. I did

885
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Speaker 1: this Twitter.

886
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Speaker 3: I wish that I can't develop a new habit right now.

887
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 3: I don't have the bandwidth for a new habit. Yeah,

888
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: so that's my problem. Yeah, those people that were baking

889
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: bread in the pandemic, I'm like, who are you? Like,

890
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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen for me, So I can't.

891
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Speaker 3: I can't do it. So I didn't move on in

892
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Speaker 3: the world. It's all I can do. I'm just texting

893
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: means to my that's all. So a big part of

894
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: my life, Tiffany so and all means that you find amusing,

895
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Speaker 3: it's my my My dms are open because they are

896
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Speaker 3: d ms and vibes are getting me through. Uh and yeah,

897
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Speaker 3: and can't say enough about Pino Grecia.

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Speaker 1: So I need to send you this rep from schan

899
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Speaker 1: Tell Brown. She's a representative. Were you on the call

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Speaker 1: last night?

901
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Speaker 4: The Black women did not make the call last night?

902
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Speaker 3: But I look, that's the thing, right, like four years

903
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Speaker 3: of these calls, like I've been on many of these before,

904
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Speaker 3: you know, the historic one, and it's.

905
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Speaker 1: Just like us didn't get our invite until the historic one.

906
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Speaker 4: Well they still they still happen in folks, I mean,

907
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Speaker 4: you know, are we.

908
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Speaker 1: Still have black women? We'll put the link in the

909
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Speaker 1: in the show notes for y'all Women with Black Women?

910
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: Oprah Oprah Winfrey, she's hosting a why did I say

911
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: her full name? Like y'all don't know? Wh Wow, she's

912
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Speaker 1: a zoom Copamala. You know Lady Gayl's best friend, you know,

913
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Speaker 1: Gail from CBS.

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Speaker 4: I've heard something about it.

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00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: It's like her friend and color Purple Women with Black Women.

916
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 4: But she's about to do a call with Vice President Harris.

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00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: She is, Ye, I believe that I did see that

918
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Speaker 1: these are happening every Sunday. You can register for all

919
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: the calls to come through the end of like through

920
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Speaker 1: mid November. So I'll put a link to the to

921
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Speaker 1: that in the show notes for y'all. Aarin, I feel

922
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Speaker 1: like my last question I want to ask you career wise,

923
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Speaker 1: how are you feeling and what's next for you? Because

924
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Speaker 1: you know I'm the career girly. Is the next like what's.

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Speaker 4: Your big That is a good question.

926
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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously continuing to cover the presidency no matter

927
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Speaker 3: what happens, but you know that trying to get through

928
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: this election is in my is in the close up.

929
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Speaker 3: But but yeah, beyond that, like we cover politics and policy, right,

930
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: so like continuing to think about the policies that are shaping.

931
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Speaker 4: The laves of the people.

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Speaker 3: That are are counting on us to to report on

933
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Speaker 3: these things for them. So yeah, after the election, we're

934
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Speaker 3: going to have to think about that based on who

935
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Speaker 3: was elected up and down the ticket, Like what is

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Speaker 3: that going to mean at the federal level, at the

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00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: state level, at the local level, for women, for LGBTQ

938
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Speaker 3: plus people, for people of color, for people with disabilities

939
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: for all of the audiences that we have. But it

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Speaker 3: just like I said, it is an exciting time to

941
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Speaker 3: be doing the work that we are doing at the

942
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Speaker 3: nineteenth because it feels very urgent for the people that

943
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Speaker 3: we are writing for and about.

944
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Speaker 4: This election is existential for a lot of those folks.

945
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Speaker 3: The policies that the people who are elected, those policies

946
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Speaker 3: are existential for a lot of people and literally determine

947
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Speaker 3: their ability and to the extent to which that they

948
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 3: are participating in. Our democracy is full citizens, right, So yeah,

949
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: that is kind of where we are. Also, maybe we'll

950
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Speaker 3: get a massage and or a vacation and after this yeah,

951
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 3: I mean there was no break after November twenty twenty,

952
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: like we have had no break, so that would.

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Speaker 4: Be nice to also do that.

954
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, we can all we can all take a

955
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: little self care moment before inauguration.

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Speaker 4: That is what That is my wish for all of you.

957
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 4: That is that is my wish for all.

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Speaker 1: Holding my breath, it does feel Yeah, I don't want to.

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00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: I can keep going, but I'm like it feels a

960
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: little stressful. Assassination attempts January sixth, that come on.

961
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Speaker 3: And who knows what is going to happen over the

962
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Speaker 3: next seven weeks. We just we don't know.

963
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Speaker 4: We don't know.

964
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Speaker 1: Last question, last thoughts.

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Speaker 2: We just thank you for coming on honestly, because I just,

966
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Speaker 2: I mean, I am getting more and more hopeful every day,

967
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: and it's just amazing to hear someone who's in the

968
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Speaker 2: thick of it, you know, come out and swim with

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Speaker 2: us a little bit here at Bran Ambition and just

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00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: we thank you for your work because it's a lot.

971
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Speaker 4: Take on a lot, so that way we can be

972
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Speaker 4: more informed. Well that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: We're all in this together, folks, Like we're gonna get

974
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Speaker 3: through this election together like you are not alone. So yes,

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Speaker 3: thank y'all for letting me hang out with you. I

976
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Speaker 3: got as much out of this as both of you did.

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Speaker 3: Trust me, trust me, trust me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Definitely have to have you back so we could talk

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Speaker 4: more like. Yes, that means yes.

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Speaker 1: We've had Tiffany Cross on. I know you guys are paler.

982
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Speaker 1: What ell should we have on? I want like nothing

983
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Speaker 1: but black girl magic being the voice of this election.

984
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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh, there's too many people to name.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Brittany Pacnick Cunningham is super fun. Uh and

986
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Speaker 3: and she also has a fun new podcast that's going

987
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: to be coming out Jamel Hill. Who I mean, listen,

988
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: don't limit her to sports. She can talk about all

989
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Speaker 3: of it.

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00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: So that love that podcast, Yes, love.

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Speaker 4: That for for for all of us.

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00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean I mean, look Tiffany and or

993
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 3: a good time on Native Land. But Angelus is also

994
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: she has many thoughts on on on all things politics,

995
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: so like you could definitely have her to come hang out.

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00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there are.

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00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: So many, but I mean, there's no shortage of brilliant

998
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: black women who y'all could hang out with over the

999
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 3: next seven weeks and beyond as we just continue to

1000
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Speaker 3: unpack what is happening in this democracy and what it means,

1001
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: particularly for us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Aaron Haynes of the nineties. Everybody go check

1003
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: out her podcast The Amendment. But you already followed it earlier,

1004
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: but I told you too.

1005
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: Listen to Mary. She knows everything.

1006
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: I'm really smart. Thank you, Aaron. Best of luck, take

1007
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: care of yourself, Hang in there, squeeze your puppy, Go

1008
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: watch Blue Blueye. I'm telling you Chef's kiss You'll.

1009
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Speaker 4: Be don't forget to send my means.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will be some means not kidding, all right,

1011
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: take care.

1012
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: If you love this episode, and you know you do,

1013
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: I had to share it on with your grandma, your mama,

1014
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 2: your sister, your cousin. Leave us a review and we'll

1015
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Speaker 2: love you even more. It'll you're an extra special friend,

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Speaker 2: all right, y'all. Bye,