Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is verdict of Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you.
Speaker 2: There is obviously the big story of Donald Trump. He
Speaker 2: has pled innocent to the charges against him. And if
Speaker 2: you missed our last podcast, we went through the entire indictment.
Speaker 2: Make sure you go back and listen to that episode
Speaker 2: so you know what's happening with this indictment. But while
Speaker 2: this story has taken over the headlines, there's a bigger
Speaker 2: story that we are going to spend significant time on
Speaker 2: in the show today and Senator this is one of
Speaker 2: the most shocking stories to come out of Washington, DC
Speaker 2: in a while, Senator Chuck Grassley revealing that a foreign
Speaker 2: national allegedly bribed not Hunter Biden, but Joe Biden and
Speaker 2: has audio recordings of it.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is a big damn deal, and I'll tell
Speaker 3: you today in the Capitol, I was arguing with reporters.
Speaker 3: They were, of course obsessed. The only thing they wanted
Speaker 3: to talk about was the in Trump indictment And to say,
Speaker 3: isn't this horrible? Doesn't this show that he could never
Speaker 3: possibly serve in any public office again? And I was
Speaker 3: standing right outside the Senate floor arguing with the reporter saying,
Speaker 3: why are none of you covering the bombshell allegations that
Speaker 3: came out against the president of the United States. By
Speaker 3: the way, Donald Trump is not currently the president of
Speaker 3: the United States. No corporate reporter would acknowledge that there's
Speaker 3: a guy named Joe Biden who is the president. And
Speaker 3: last week we had number one a whistleblower come forward
Speaker 3: and say that there was a confidential informant who told
Speaker 3: the FBI that Joe Biden received a five million dollar
Speaker 3: bribe personally from a senior executive in Barisma, the Ukrainian
Speaker 3: natural gas company, in exchange for official conduct. That is
Speaker 3: a massive bombshell. That is look we talked about in
Speaker 3: Monday's pod and if you didn't listen to it, go
Speaker 3: back and listen to it. We do a deep dive
Speaker 3: into the Trump indictment. We talked about how the threshold
Speaker 3: to indict a president should be incredibly high. It shouldn't
Speaker 3: be for tick a tak offenses. It shouldn't be for
Speaker 3: one administration going after their predecessor because they hate them.
Speaker 3: It should be instead, very very high. Let me tell
Speaker 3: you what clears that threshold, real serious, credible evidence of
Speaker 3: a president of the United States taking bribes from foreign
Speaker 3: nationals that clears the threshold by any measure. The Constitution
Speaker 3: provides that impeachment show lie for bribery, treason, or other
Speaker 3: high crimes and misdemeanors. So bribery is explicitly laid out
Speaker 3: in the Constitution. And then two days ago Chuck Grassley
Speaker 3: on the Senate floor made a stunning allegation. So Chuck
Speaker 3: Grassley is the only Senator that I know of who
Speaker 3: has read this FBI documenting what the confidential informant said.
Speaker 3: And when the FBI gave it to the House representatives,
Speaker 3: they redacted it. They erased key elements, and one of
Speaker 3: the things they redacted was the allegation that there are
Speaker 3: seventeen recordings demonstrating this primary this this bribery. Seventeen recordings,
Speaker 3: fifteen of them with the Barismath official and Hunter Biden,
Speaker 3: and two of them shockingly with the Bearismath official and
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. Now I don't know if this is true,
Speaker 3: but if it is true, this should lead the six
Speaker 3: o'clock news. And I want you to listen to Chuck
Speaker 3: Grassley on the Senate floor laying this out.
Speaker 4: The ten twenty three produced to the House Committees redacted
Speaker 4: reference that the foreign national who allegedly bribed Joe and
Speaker 4: Hunter Biden allegedly has audio recordings of his conversation with
Speaker 4: them seventeen such recordings. According to the ten twenty three,
Speaker 4: the foreign national possesses fifteen audio recordings of phone calls
Speaker 4: between him and Hunter Biden. According to the ten twenty three,
Speaker 4: the foreign national possesses two audio recordings of phone calls
Speaker 4: between him and then Vice President Joe Biden. These recordings
Speaker 4: were allegedly kept as a sort of insurance policy for
Speaker 4: the foreign national in case that he got into a
Speaker 4: tight spot. The ten twenty three also indicates that then
Speaker 4: Vice President Joe Biden may have been involved in brougement
Speaker 4: employing Hunter Biden sentaer.
Speaker 2: You hear that, And this is tradecraft for these ola
Speaker 2: gards and corrupt people, right. They want to blackmail. You
Speaker 2: want to have something on you, whether you're an oigark,
Speaker 2: a shady businessman, whether you're in Russia or China, Venezuela
Speaker 2: or Ukraine. You want an insurance policy that if someone
Speaker 2: comes after you, you've got leverage. Something that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: apparently did incredibly well.
Speaker 1: Is another example.
Speaker 2: Of this type of leverage aka trade craft, And that's
Speaker 2: what Chuck Grassley is saying here.
Speaker 3: Yes, look, there's a whole lot of substance to unpack
Speaker 3: from that statement on the Senate floor on Monday. Number one,
Speaker 3: Chuck Grassley, to the best of my knowledge, is the
Speaker 3: only senator who's read the FBI Form ten twenty three.
Speaker 3: If there's another senator, he or she has not stated
Speaker 3: that publicly. I have not read it. They will not
Speaker 3: give it to me.
Speaker 2: What is the reasoning behind that? Why can you not
Speaker 2: see it? But Chuck Krassey can. So people understand the rules.
Speaker 3: So let me let me delay that. We will get
Speaker 3: to that, but let me delay that for second. The
Speaker 3: House of Representatives heard about the ten twenty three. They
Speaker 3: wanted to see the ten twenty three, and so James Comber,
Speaker 3: who's the head of the Oversight Committee, issued a subpoena,
Speaker 3: got the votes, he had a majority in the House.
Speaker 3: He issued a subpoena, give us the ten twenty three
Speaker 3: the FBI stonewall. They said, no, we won't give you
Speaker 3: the ten twenty three. The House was on the verge
Speaker 3: of holding Chris Ray, the director of the FBI, in
Speaker 3: contempt Chris Ray blinked and said, okay, we'll give you
Speaker 3: the ten twenty three, but we'll show it to you
Speaker 3: in private. Initially he just showed it to James Comber
Speaker 3: and Raskin, the chairman and ranking member of the Oversight Committee,
Speaker 3: said no one else can see it. Comber came out
Speaker 3: of that and said, the American people need to see this.
Speaker 3: Chris Ray blinked again and said, okay, the entire committee
Speaker 3: can see this. But what they saw was a redacted copy.
Speaker 3: So the FBI, this is not a classified document. But
Speaker 3: the FBI took and blacked out portions of the report
Speaker 3: and said, you can't see the things were redacting. One
Speaker 3: of the things they redacted was the allegation that there
Speaker 3: are seventeen tape recordings. So the House didn't see that. Wow,
Speaker 3: Now I got to ask you a question, Why the
Speaker 3: hell is the FBI hiding the possible existence of evidence,
Speaker 3: stone cold evidence of bribery against Joe Biden. Why did
Speaker 3: they redact out the allegation that they're seventeen tape recordings.
Speaker 3: That is an incredibly good question. And so Grassley was
Speaker 3: in a unique situation where he had seen this. He
Speaker 3: had a whistleblower. He saw this and he knew what
Speaker 3: was in it. And I'll tell you it is not
Speaker 3: an accident that Chuck Grassley did this on the Senate floor.
Speaker 3: He didn't go on Fox News, he didn't go on
Speaker 3: a TV interview. Why because look, he reviewed this ten
Speaker 3: twenty three in a restricted circumstance. There may well be
Speaker 3: people who argue the reason why the FBI is trying
Speaker 3: to put all these restrictions on it. It's not classified,
Speaker 3: mind you, so all the laws concerning classified information don't apply.
Speaker 3: But the FBI is still trying to put restrictions on
Speaker 3: it because they don't want anyone to know. And so
Speaker 3: the reason I believe Chuck, who's a good friend. I've
Speaker 3: served with him eleven years, Chuck went to the Senate
Speaker 3: floor as the Constitution gives an immunity from any liability
Speaker 3: for anything said in speech and debate for a senator
Speaker 3: or representative, and so saying it on the Senate floor,
Speaker 3: I think Chuck Grassley did that a for attention, but
Speaker 3: b for legal protection, because these guys are so vicious
Speaker 3: and politicized that there's a chance they could try to
Speaker 3: go after him for daring to repeat the truth.
Speaker 2: So saying it in the hall he could be held,
Speaker 2: he could get in trouble with this, this rogue DOOJ.
Speaker 1: If he set in the hall walk.
Speaker 3: Potentially DOJ would lose, but there would be potentially more
Speaker 3: exposure by doing it on the Senate floor. It is
Speaker 3: unquestionably covered in the speech and debate privilege of the Constitution,
Speaker 3: which gave him a greater ability to say I know
Speaker 3: this to be true. It'd be clear. What does Grassley know.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know that there are seventeen recordings there might
Speaker 3: not be. What he knows is that a confidential informant
Speaker 3: who the FBI had relied on previously investigations made an
Speaker 3: allegation that there are seventeen recordings fifteen of Hunter Biden
Speaker 3: and a corrupt Briisma official, two of Joe Biden and
Speaker 3: a corrupt Barisma official, all concerning bribing Joe Biden personally.
Speaker 3: And so Chuck Grassley read that in the FBI formed
Speaker 3: ten twenty three, and he said it on the on
Speaker 3: the Senate floor. And I want to ask you, look
Speaker 3: across the country, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions,
Speaker 3: of listeners to this podcast today. I want you to
Speaker 3: ask yourself, something did you see on the news last
Speaker 3: night Chuck Grassley's allegation that there are tape recordings of
Speaker 3: Joe Biden taking a five million dollar bribe? Did you
Speaker 3: see it in the newspaper? Was it the headline today?
Speaker 3: Think about what city you live, in your local newspaper,
Speaker 3: what was the headline on the front page. Was it
Speaker 3: tape recordings of evidence that the President Joe Biden took
Speaker 3: bribes from Ukrainian corrupt official. Was that the headline? And
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm willing to bet every single listener
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Speaker 3: That wasn't on the news. The press won't cover this.
Speaker 3: And I got to say even worse than that, the
Speaker 3: FBI is stonewalling and covering the up.
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Speaker 2: some of those that are stonewalling. You got to talk
Speaker 2: to a a the FBI deputy director talk about why
Speaker 2: he was in front of the Senate before we play
Speaker 2: some of this.
Speaker 3: Well, yesterday we had a hearing in the Senate Judiciary
Speaker 3: Committee and it was on a totally different issue. It
Speaker 3: was on Section seven oh two searches. It's part of
Speaker 3: the tools that the FBI law enforcement has to target
Speaker 3: for nationals. And by the way, there is significant evidence
Speaker 3: that the FBI and dj has abused their tools to
Speaker 3: target four nationals, to surveil US citizens, and in particular
Speaker 3: to target January sixth, and it is deeply concerning their
Speaker 3: abuse of power. So the hearing was important. But given
Speaker 3: that this was the day after Chuck Grassley had stood
Speaker 3: up on the Senate floor and told the world that
Speaker 3: there were allegedly these seventeen recordings, I said, listen, I've
Speaker 3: got the deputy director of the FBI. I'm going to
Speaker 3: ask him about this. He didn't want to answer this,
Speaker 3: but he's here, he's under oath. He started this by
Speaker 3: standing up raising his right hand and taking an oath
Speaker 3: to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
Speaker 3: the truth. So help me God, and so I took
Speaker 3: the opportunity to ask him about the ten twenty three
Speaker 3: and about the recordings. Give a listen, gentlemen. Every day
Speaker 3: when I'm home in Texas, I hear from Texans who
Speaker 3: are deeply dismayed about the growing politicization and weaponization of
Speaker 3: the Department of Justice and the FBI. If you are not,
Speaker 3: every one of you should be deeply concerned about the
Speaker 3: damage being done to the integrity of the institutions in
Speaker 3: which you operate. My office hear is regularly from FBI
Speaker 3: agents and from assistant US attorneys who are likewise concerned
Speaker 3: about the politicization and weaponization of the Department of Justice
Speaker 3: and the FBI. And this is profoundly damaging to the
Speaker 3: rule of law in our nation. Last month, a whistleblower
Speaker 3: brought to life the existence in the FBI of a
Speaker 3: report at FD ten twenty three in which the informant
Speaker 3: alleges that President Biden and his family members and aged
Speaker 3: in a five million dollar bribery scheme during his time
Speaker 3: as Vice president. Deputy Director of Body is it true
Speaker 3: that the FBI has a report making those allegations.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to comment on that, Center, and why
Speaker 5: is that. I'm just not going to comment on information
Speaker 5: we received. Investigations.
Speaker 3: You own obligation to the American people to be candid
Speaker 3: about evidence of corruption by the president of the United States.
Speaker 5: This is an area that I'm not going to get
Speaker 5: into with you. Center.
Speaker 3: Well, I understand you don't want to, and that's why
Speaker 3: people are mad at the FBI, because you're stonewalling and
Speaker 3: covering up serious allegations of evidence of corruption from the president. Yesterday,
Speaker 3: Senator Chuck Grassley stood on the Senate floor and alleged
Speaker 3: that there are seventeen recordings of this informant from Barisma,
Speaker 3: Ukrainian natural Gas company. Fifteen of them are recordings voice
Speaker 3: recordings of him talking to Hunter Biden. Two of them
Speaker 3: are voice records of him talking to Joe Biden, deputy
Speaker 3: director of BAT. Does the FBI have seventeen voice recordings
Speaker 3: laying out evidence of a bribery scheme?
Speaker 5: Centerted, I'd add all I would add also that we've
Speaker 5: worked with the House Oversight Committee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the Senate where the other side of
Speaker 3: the Capitol. This is the Senate. Do you have those
Speaker 3: seventeen recordings.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to comment on any investigative matter. Centator.
Speaker 3: See, that's the problem the FBI. And I've had this
Speaker 3: conversation with Chris Ray too. This is why you are
Speaker 3: damaging the institution. The American people have a right to
Speaker 3: know whether there is serious, credible evidence that the President
Speaker 3: of the United States took a five million dollar bribe.
Speaker 3: And by the way, if it's false, Chairman Durbin just
Speaker 3: rolled his eyes. If Chairman Durbin were interested in the
Speaker 3: rule of law, we would have a hearing on these allegations.
Speaker 3: But of course the Democrats don't want a hearing on
Speaker 3: these allegations. And to be clear, if the allegations are false,
Speaker 3: you know who could disprove them. Joe Biden. He could
Speaker 3: call for this to be released publicly. But the FBI
Speaker 3: is stonewalling.
Speaker 2: They are stonewalling, and you have sentators like Durban rolling
Speaker 2: their eyes. Even the President was asked about this today
Speaker 2: at the White House and he stopped, turned and basically
Speaker 2: laughed in the face of American senator.
Speaker 1: He literally laughed.
Speaker 2: There was a reporter that was kind of shouting it
Speaker 2: out at him about Hey, these recordings, he stopped those tracks,
Speaker 2: turned around, laughed at the reporter. But in many ways
Speaker 2: it's like he's laughing at the American people at the
Speaker 2: same time.
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right. And the reason Joe Biden can
Speaker 3: do this, the reason the FBI can do this is
Speaker 3: because we don't have a functioning press score. The world
Speaker 3: of journalism is so utterly corrupted that nobody's reporting on this.
Speaker 3: Why didn't you see this on the six o'clock news.
Speaker 3: And let's be clear what I asked about it's not classified,
Speaker 3: But the deputy director of the FBI just said, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to tell you no reason my answers, just no.
Speaker 3: And to be clear, listen, when I'm asking questions, it's
Speaker 3: not just because, gosh, I'd like to know. I'm elected
Speaker 3: by thirty million Texans. I've got a responsibility. When I'm
Speaker 3: in a hearing, I am doing my damned best to
Speaker 3: represent thirty million Texans and ask the questions they want
Speaker 3: to ask. And I'll tell you I'm hearing from the
Speaker 3: people of Texas what the heck is going on with
Speaker 3: the FBI? And this FBI deputy director just smugly saying
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna tell you because I said no, because no, Look,
Speaker 3: he is not a fourth grade teacher, and we are
Speaker 3: not the children in his class. The FBI works for we,
Speaker 3: the people, and they owe an obligation of candor. They
Speaker 3: have evidence that Joe Biden, the President of the United States,
Speaker 3: took a bribe, and maybe maybe the evidence is not compelling,
Speaker 3: maybe it doesn't prove this. But if it's not compelling,
Speaker 3: they ought to release it yesterday. And if it is compelling,
Speaker 3: then you know what the FBI is doing. They're engaged
Speaker 3: in a cover up every bit as much as the
Speaker 3: co conspirators involved in the bribery. You don't get to
Speaker 3: cover up if you've got seventeen audio tapes showing the
Speaker 3: president took a bribe and you bury them and say
Speaker 3: to Congress, I'm not going to tell you the answer
Speaker 3: to that piss off. That was basically his answer, and
Speaker 3: let me clarify something. Look, sometimes when I'm home or online,
Speaker 3: people will say, well, damn it, Cruise, do something about it,
Speaker 3: and I sort of laugh at them and like, Okay,
Speaker 3: are you confused about how our constitution operates? So I
Speaker 3: can't indict anyone under a Constitution. Only the executive branch
Speaker 3: can indict. That would be Joe Biden, that would be
Speaker 3: Merrick Garland, that would be the US Department of Justice.
Speaker 3: I also can issue a subpoena. I would love to
Speaker 3: issue a subpoena. But in the Senate, to issue a subpoena,
Speaker 3: it takes a majority, and tragically, the Democrats have the
Speaker 3: majority in the Senate. Chuck Schumer is the majority leader.
Speaker 3: Dick Durbin is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee. Dick
Speaker 3: Durbin has he literally, as I was talking and you
Speaker 3: heard me call it out, he rolled his eyes. He
Speaker 3: doesn't care if you asked Dick Durbin. And by the way,
Speaker 3: I asked reporters today and said, have any of you
Speaker 3: asked a single Democrat senator if there's conclusive evidence that
Speaker 3: Joe Biden took a five million dollar bribe from a
Speaker 3: foreign national, should he be impeached and removed from office?
Speaker 3: By the way, the answer to that is hell, yes,
Speaker 3: it's the only answer. But no reporter will ask any
Speaker 3: Democrat that question. And so without the majority, I can't
Speaker 3: issue a subpoena. I can't indict any one. All I
Speaker 3: can do is what I'm doing right now, ask in
Speaker 3: a hearing, shine a light on it, and then, by
Speaker 3: the way, go on verdict and tell a million people
Speaker 3: across America about it and try to ratchet up the attention.
Speaker 3: I hope the House wilicious subpoenas there is a majority
Speaker 3: in the House. I'm working very closely with James Comer
Speaker 3: and Jim Jordan, but we have got to demand accountability
Speaker 3: and transparency on this serious, serious allegation of a major
Speaker 3: crime by Joe Biden.
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Speaker 2: the FBI Deputy Director he was refusing to back down
Speaker 2: of basically stonewalling you, and you brought it even more
Speaker 2: information which they should share with the American people.
Speaker 3: Would you loik?
Speaker 5: Greetings, Senator, No one's stonewalling the ten twenty three just
Speaker 5: said you refuse to add the response to a subpoena
Speaker 5: answer Mike question. The pertinent information is there, and I
Speaker 5: reject your assertion that the answer my question. I just
Speaker 5: answered your question.
Speaker 3: Okay, so yes, you have a ten twenty three. Do
Speaker 3: you have the seventeen recordings? Yes or no?
Speaker 5: I'm not going to get further into this.
Speaker 3: So you're stonewalling. You can't say I'm not refusing to
Speaker 3: answer your question, but I won't answer your question.
Speaker 5: I'm going to answer within the parameters that we operate in.
Speaker 3: That's the problem the FBI has right now and unlimited
Speaker 3: hubris that you believe you are unaccountable. You don't believe
Speaker 3: you're accountable to the United States Congress, and you don't
Speaker 3: believe you're accountable to the American people, and you are
Speaker 3: doing damage. The FBI is a great institution. When I
Speaker 3: go home to Texas, people ask me should we abolish
Speaker 3: the FBI? Now, I tell them no, because you have
Speaker 3: heroes and patriots working for you that are catching child predators,
Speaker 3: that are catching terrorists, but you're sitting there happily erecting
Speaker 3: a wall to protect Joe Biden. Will you provide to
Speaker 3: this committee, not the House, the Senate Judiciary Committee. Will
Speaker 3: you provide the FD ten twenty three and will you
Speaker 3: provide the seventeen recordings so we can assess what is
Speaker 3: the evidence, the specific credit evidence that Joe Biden personally
Speaker 3: took a five million dollar bribe from a foreign national senator.
Speaker 5: We will work with this committee, you and other members
Speaker 5: to provide the information within the parameters of the process.
Speaker 3: Will you provide the FD ten twenty three, yes or no?
Speaker 5: I will take that back and we will work with our.
Speaker 3: Now you're not answering that, Will you provide the seventeen recordings?
Speaker 5: We will take that back and we'll work with you.
Speaker 3: So you're not answering that either did you investigate in
Speaker 3: any way, shape or form these allegations.
Speaker 5: Center Once again, I'm not going to comment.
Speaker 3: So you're not going to say whether you did your job.
Speaker 5: We do our job to the very best of our ability.
Speaker 3: Well not here. You're not answering a single question to
Speaker 3: the American people. And you may think this as esoteric,
Speaker 3: I promise you millions of Americans are concerned. You know
Speaker 3: who isn't concerned? Not a single Senate Democrat. We're going
Speaker 3: to go through this whole hearing, not one Democrat will
Speaker 3: ask a question about this. You know who else isn't concerned?
Speaker 3: The corporate media, who is joining with the Democrats in
Speaker 3: covering up this evidence. If Joe Biden is innocent, the
Speaker 3: evidence should be made public and demonstrate that he's innocent.
Speaker 3: But if he is not, is it true this informant
Speaker 3: who alleged that he personally took a bribe was an
Speaker 3: informant the FBI had relied upon previously in other investigations.
Speaker 3: Yes or no?
Speaker 5: In each and every investigation that we have, all the
Speaker 5: work that we do.
Speaker 3: I asked, the expectation is.
Speaker 5: That every logical avenue avenue investigation people.
Speaker 3: I asked you, yes or no? Question? Are you going
Speaker 3: to answer it?
Speaker 5: I'm answering your question.
Speaker 3: Was the informant one you had relied on previously and
Speaker 3: other investigations? Yes or no?
Speaker 5: Senator, we run down every piece of information.
Speaker 3: You're not answering it, then you refuse so you're refusing
Speaker 3: to answer.
Speaker 5: The question the fullest extent possible, refusing answer that's small instances, disperitable.
Speaker 3: It's disgraceful, Deputy Director about a disgraceful senator.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's obviously the surface level here of why
Speaker 2: he's not answering this, but in reality, deep down, why
Speaker 2: has he so hell bent on not answering this basic
Speaker 2: question about do these tapes exists? Is it because he
Speaker 2: doesn't know, or because he doesn't want you to know,
Speaker 2: or he doesn't want the American people to know? Is
Speaker 2: this part of the cover up so that the American
Speaker 2: people don't know how corrupt? Is this part of the
Speaker 2: protecting of the President of the United States of America
Speaker 2: and all the corruption that they've already helped him cover up.
Speaker 2: Remember they're the same ones that when the laptop came
Speaker 2: in they wanted to call it disinformation and it wasn't
Speaker 2: They knew it was real. They wanted when Tony Babolenski
Speaker 2: went to the FBI, it was because he went on
Speaker 2: TV that they finally said down with him, and then
Speaker 2: afterwards not a single person contacted him.
Speaker 3: So he absolutely knows the answer to these questions. He's
Speaker 3: refusing to answer. And to be clear, there's no legal prohibition.
Speaker 3: This is not classified information, this is not privileged information,
Speaker 3: this is not attorney client information. There's no legal prohibition
Speaker 3: on his answering the questions. The problem is, fundamentally, it's
Speaker 3: what I said. The FBI right now has this hubris,
Speaker 3: it's this absolute arrogance. It's the same thing the DJ has.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing Merrick Garland has. That Their view
Speaker 3: is we are unaccountable. We're the f B friggin' eye
Speaker 3: like whatever. We say. We're in charge, and we decide
Speaker 3: what to investigate, we decide who to go after, we
Speaker 3: decide who to show up at the crack of dawn
Speaker 3: with twenty jack booted thugs with machine guns, and who
Speaker 3: not to And you don't get to question us. Congress
Speaker 3: does get to question us. The American people don't get
Speaker 3: to question us. We are in charge. And look you
Speaker 3: heard in his questioning he just said I asked him.
Speaker 3: He said, I'm not gonna answer that. Why because I
Speaker 3: don't want to answer that, and nobody's gonna make me
Speaker 3: answer that in the Senate. Sadly that's true. Dick Durbin
Speaker 3: doesn't care. It's actually worse, Dick Durbin wants him not
Speaker 3: to answer this. Dick Durbin and the Senate Democrats would
Speaker 3: be horrified if he answered this. Why because they're complicit
Speaker 3: in the cover up of Joe Biden. And I want
Speaker 3: to underscore something. I don't know if these allegations are true.
Speaker 3: They might be false. Listen, Ukraine has a lot of
Speaker 3: corruption in it. Maybe, and Barisma has had a lot
Speaker 3: of corruption in it. Maybe the allegation that there was
Speaker 3: a five million dollar bribe pay to Joe Biden is
Speaker 3: totally made up. It might be misinformation. If it is.
Speaker 3: Joe Biden presumably knows that, and he would have an
Speaker 3: incentive to say, let's disprove it. He's not doing that.
Speaker 3: And the alternative, why does the FBI feel completely at
Speaker 3: liberty to say, piss off American people, we don't work
Speaker 3: for you, and we will not answer your questions. That's
Speaker 3: what the FBI said. And I got to say, look, Ben,
Speaker 3: you can tell from that exchange, I was pissed. And
Speaker 3: I was pissed because it is so destructive to the
Speaker 3: integrity of the FBI and DOJ, and it's destructive to
Speaker 3: the rule of law and the Constitution in the United States.
Speaker 2: What will happen with this? Do you think and will
Speaker 2: we be able to get will the House be able
Speaker 2: to get these tapes if they do exist. If these
Speaker 2: recordings do exist, will we ever see them? Or as
Speaker 2: long as the Democrats have control of the Senate in
Speaker 2: the White House, is this going to be blocked off
Speaker 2: because the FBI gets say, guess what, you Republicans have
Speaker 2: only got one house. You don't have both, and you
Speaker 2: don't have the White House, so we're going to get
Speaker 2: away with this.
Speaker 3: So it's not clear if we'll ever get to see
Speaker 3: these What should happen? This whistleblower should testify in front
Speaker 3: of Congress on national television for the America people to
Speaker 3: hear his allegations to assess is he telling the truth
Speaker 3: or not? What should happen These seventeen tape recordings, fifteen
Speaker 3: with Hunter Biden, two with Joe Biden should be released
Speaker 3: to the public. They should be played nationally. You should
Speaker 3: be able to listen to him and determine maybe Joe
Speaker 3: Biden's innocent or maybe as guilty as hell and took
Speaker 3: a five million dollar bribe, which is what the confidential
Speaker 3: informant alleges in exchange for government policy. And if he
Speaker 3: did that, he should be impeached, he should be removed
Speaker 3: from office, he should be prosecuted, and he should go
Speaker 3: to jail. We talked about the Trump indictment. There should
Speaker 3: be an exceptionally high threshold for indicting or prosecuting a
Speaker 3: president or former president. I'll tell you what definitely clears
Speaker 3: that threshold. A president or former president taking bribes from
Speaker 3: a foreign national of millions of dollars in exchange for
Speaker 3: corrupt government official descis decisions. The Constitution explicitly says impeachment
Speaker 3: lies for bribery. We ought to push for this, and
Speaker 3: you ask what's next. To be honest, let me say
Speaker 3: to everyone listening to this podcast, Frankly, it's in your hands.
Speaker 3: I'm standing on a mountaintop. I'm screaming, pointing a light
Speaker 3: at this. I'm shining a light on this. I'm highlighting
Speaker 3: it to the American people tonight. Will it be on
Speaker 3: the six o'clock news. No, because the corporate media is corrupt,
Speaker 3: which means we've got a million people that listen to
Speaker 3: this podcast. Ben those million people, every one of you
Speaker 3: need to go on Facebook, You need to go on Twitter.
Speaker 3: You need to go on whatever social media you have
Speaker 3: and you just speak out. Every one of you need
Speaker 3: to pick up your phone and call your house member
Speaker 3: and your senator and say, we want an investigation. We
Speaker 3: want to read the ten twenty three, we want to
Speaker 3: hear the seventeen recordings. The only thing that might change
Speaker 3: this because I cannot. I do not have the ability.
Speaker 3: I don't know I have the legal authority right now
Speaker 3: to indict anyone. I don't have the authority to issue
Speaker 3: subpoena to anyone. The only thing that can change this
Speaker 3: is you and pressure from the American people. That's why
Speaker 3: we're doing this podcast and why we're focused directly on
Speaker 3: this issue.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting that you mentioned Grassly and doing
Speaker 2: this this way a couple of nights before he went
Speaker 2: on the for of the Senate to say what he said,
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Speaker 2: he was going to say a few days later now
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Speaker 2: had this to say on Fox just a couple of
Speaker 2: days before he went to the for the Senate.
Speaker 5: Do you feel like the Department of Justice and the
Speaker 5: FBI are playing games?
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: First of all, I want to compliment congsmn Comer because
Speaker 6: he's been very helpful with working me on this issue,
Speaker 6: and we wouldn't be where we are with the FBI
Speaker 6: if he hadn't been involved.
Speaker 7: So let me answer your question this way. We have
Speaker 7: an unclassified document. We have what the FBI calls a
Speaker 7: credible source because they've paid this person over years six figures,
Speaker 7: and I've got a reputation for protecting whistle boars, and
Speaker 7: we're going to keep going until we get this document.
Speaker 7: But yes, I believe the FBI is covering for President Biden.
Speaker 7: And the information that's in this is from a credible source,
Speaker 7: from credible whistleblowers, people that are protected by the whistleblower
Speaker 7: Protection Law, and we've just got to get to the
Speaker 7: bottom of it, and we're not going to give up
Speaker 7: until we get this document.
Speaker 1: I love the way he describes us.
Speaker 2: He says, Look, the FBI is a threat to Congress
Speaker 2: and a threat to Americans. They treat him like second
Speaker 2: class citizens. Is part of what he's saying there, and
Speaker 2: that's spot on based on what you said as well.
Speaker 3: No, that's exactly right. They believe institutionally that they don't
Speaker 3: report to anyone. And listen, part of the genius of
Speaker 3: our framers, of the founding fathers to drafted the Constitution
Speaker 3: is they created a system of checks and balances. James
Speaker 3: Madison wrote Federalist ten about the checks and balances, about
Speaker 3: pitting different factions against each other, and the idea was,
Speaker 3: if you have an executive if who is overreaching, you'll
Speaker 3: have a Congress who will check them. You have a
Speaker 3: congress is overreaching, you have a judiciary who will check them.
Speaker 3: If you have a judiciary is overreaching, you'll have a
Speaker 3: Congress or an executive who'll check them. And each of
Speaker 3: the three branches will be a check on the other.
Speaker 3: What has happened with the FBI is they've gotten to
Speaker 3: use a drug dealer phrase. High on their own supply.
Speaker 3: They believe nobody can check them, that they are the judge, jury,
Speaker 3: and execution. They decide what's acceptable, They decide what's not.
Speaker 3: They decide if they hate Donald Trump, and they will
Speaker 3: target and persecute them and go after him with everything
Speaker 3: they've got. They decide if they like Joe Biden, and
Speaker 3: they'll cover up and hide an off ye skate and
Speaker 3: bury evidence of corruption of Joe Biden. And because they
Speaker 3: believe they're the final arbitra, when anyone asks them about it,
Speaker 3: their answer is, no, we're not going to tell you.
Speaker 3: We don't have to tell you, we don't care to
Speaker 3: tell you, we don't want to tell you. So no,
Speaker 3: Senate Democrats are perfectly willing to let the FBI tell
Speaker 3: the Senate go jump in a lake that they are
Speaker 3: so Why because they're so partisan. They don't want anyone
Speaker 3: to know about the evidence about Joe Biden. They want
Speaker 3: every question from every reporter to be Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,
Speaker 3: All about the damn boxes of documents in the bathroom. Well,
Speaker 3: you know what, boxes a document in the bathroom are
Speaker 3: no worse than boxes of documents in an unlocked garage
Speaker 3: next to a classic corvette, which Joe Biden had. But
Speaker 3: they're also both orders of magnitude less concerning than credible
Speaker 3: evidence that the President of the United States took a
Speaker 3: bribe from a foreign national, and I got to say,
Speaker 3: FBI leadership, every step they're taking the stonewall is exactly
Speaker 3: as I said at the end of that exchange. Disgraceful.
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