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Speaker 1: It's I Do Part two.

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Speaker 2: I'm Cheryl Burke, one of your celebrity mentors here on

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Speaker 2: the podcast, and today I'm excited because I'm going to

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Speaker 2: chat with someone who has successfully found love again in

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Speaker 2: their chapter two. She's an award winning journalist, author of

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Speaker 2: How To Metopause, women's health advocate, and host of her

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Speaker 2: own podcast, The Tampson Show. Everyone, please welcome Tampson Fidel

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Speaker 2: to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. So you're in your I Do Part two.

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Speaker 3: I am, and I do think it's going well.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: It's going well.

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Speaker 4: Let's go back to the I Do Part one first though,

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Speaker 4: So we did that one.

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Speaker 1: I'm also divorced, and I am.

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Speaker 2: I would say maybe heading that direction to that part

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Speaker 2: two part of things, but I'm not dating, nor do

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Speaker 2: I have any interest, So I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 2: heading that direction. But right now I'm dating myself. How

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Speaker 2: so your first marriage, you guys worked together, you were matchmakers?

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Speaker 2: Say more yes, yeah, uh, there was there was a

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Speaker 2: lot to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I met my first husband and I

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Speaker 3: was at an age where I'm like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: I have to I have to like hustle this up

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Speaker 3: there was this real critical timeline. I kind of had

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Speaker 3: we call it maybe love bombing. But then I was like,

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Speaker 3: he must love me a lot. So we got together.

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Speaker 3: We had started a business. We had moved to New York.

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Speaker 3: I was at the time working as a news anchor,

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Speaker 3: and then he was working this business at matchmaking business

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Speaker 3: called the Love Consultants, and we were we were having

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Speaker 3: a great time. You know, we were setting people up,

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Speaker 3: we were you know, socializing, we were it was. It

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Speaker 3: just I think you realize in some at some point

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Speaker 3: And that's what happened to me. And I was like,

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Speaker 3: And so that was very worrisome to me for a

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Speaker 3: divorce was the only option, and I went through that

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Speaker 3: I'm ashamed now I look back and I was like,

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Speaker 3: You don't always have to win and everything like, it's okay,

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Speaker 3: And then you know, fast forward ten years later, and

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Speaker 3: I went through the divorce separation. I was forty one,

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Speaker 2: When you were single, was it like, oh I feel

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Speaker 3: I did both, you know, I did both. So I

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Speaker 3: always had remembered my dad had said He's given me

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Speaker 1: I love your dad.

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Speaker 3: He's pretty amazing. He's eighty five right now, and he's

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Speaker 3: just he's gone through so much. You know, he lost

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Speaker 3: And then I got to about my mid forties, forty

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I was watching, but Blockbuster?

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Speaker 3: I was probably renting a movie. But you know, I

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Speaker 3: got to a place where I'm like, Okay, I can

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Speaker 3: And that's really what I thought, and I.

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Speaker 2: Posted at yeah, I just getting married, it's just the

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Speaker 2: probably I should date, like this is my yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah but that's good. How long how long

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Speaker 1: So it's been almost three and a half of yours?

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Speaker 2: But like I've been, I was a serial dater prior

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Speaker 2: thirty seven.

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Speaker 2: Ghosted everyone like I'm no longer in Los Angeles like

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Speaker 2: at least well Netflix and my addiction to productivity. I'm

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Speaker 3: Know, just not makes of course.

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Speaker 1: But of course, going.

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Speaker 2: Back to your first marriage, how did do you believe

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Speaker 2: that working together was one of many issues?

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Speaker 3: Definitely one of one of many issues. Here's what I

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Speaker 3: but to me, it means like this, this is a

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Speaker 3: and that works out, and we did a reality show

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Speaker 3: success in that relationship was very different than what I

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Speaker 3: and that was difficult, you know, it was. And then

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Speaker 3: I also think what was difficult is I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: like my hustle was always my job. I worked in

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Speaker 3: And that's what my focus was. And so when it

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Speaker 3: I just didn't realize all the other nuances that you

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Speaker 1: And are you do you? Are you therapy or did you?

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Speaker 3: So therapy was a big part of it, taking care

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Speaker 3: Why did I put up with that for so long?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did that, And that was what I

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Speaker 3: Rights, it's cheered on, it's revered in some cases.

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Speaker 1: Are kidding given And if you go on vacation, you're.

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Speaker 3: That's that's that defines success. Yeah, So to undo all

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Speaker 3: I get you're so filled by women that I see

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Speaker 3: It feels so different. And somebody, when when I first

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Speaker 3: What's enough pain for me to go through before I

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Speaker 2: the floor of my car. And literally when you said

437
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Speaker 2: that even doctors have zero education by.

438
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Speaker 3: Their own admission, by their own admissions, yeah, they're like

439
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 3: I got two weeks one month.

440
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,439
Speaker 2: And for the patient, it's kind of like, well, you know,

441
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 2: I've always thought because I you know, I don't. I

442
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: am not a doctor, obviously, but I got my I

443
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 2: went through my menstrual cycle at age nine, and I'm

444
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: still on birth control and I have been since I

445
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 2: was sixteen seventeen, and I'm sexually active. I'm on birth

446
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 2: control for other reasons. Sure, And I went into my

447
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 2: yearly checkup. I went to go see a new opigo

448
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: and because I moved, and when I asked her about paramedopause,

449
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 2: She's like, I can't check because you're on birth control.

450
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what do you mean you can't check?

451
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: Like you need to check? Wait, what do you even

452
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: need to check checking?

453
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 3: What are you checking to me?

454
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: Like?

455
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: Do I have to go inside me to check?

456
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 3: But no, Right, these are symptoms, symptoms, right, these symptoms,

457
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 3: Like you can really put your hand up and say

458
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 3: if I've got five of these symptoms, and here's what,

459
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 3: here's what perimenopause is. Perimenopause is the time before menopause.

460
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 3: That's what it is.

461
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 1: Right, period.

462
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 3: It's like you still have your period. In fact, as

463
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 3: a matter of.

464
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: Fact, I haven't had mine for like ten years. But

465
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: that's a choice because of mammos so bad of course, But.

466
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 3: I'm saying up till you know. Now, menopause is when

467
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 3: you have, you know, twelve months without your cycle. But

468
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 3: if you are dealing with I don't feel like myself anyway,

469
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 3: that those words, If you are dealing with brain fog

470
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 3: where you're in the middle of something and you stop

471
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: being able to understand what it is and you're reaching

472
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 3: for words. If you are the person that used to

473
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 3: sleep at night and it was amazing and now you

474
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 3: can't fall asleep or stay asleep. If you are dealing

475
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 3: with a body that is changing, and you're eating the

476
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 3: same and you're exercising, maybe even more, and you don't

477
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: know why, joined pain and obviously a regular periods for

478
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: some women, these are the symptoms of menopause. Estrogen receptors

479
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 3: are all over our body. And if you are in

480
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 3: that age range which is the average age of menopause,

481
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: well yeah, the average age of menopause is fifty one.

482
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 3: Back that up, so you strudgal with hormone fluctuations, that's

483
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: basically what that means. It could be in your thirties,

484
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 3: go right up into your forties. So if you just

485
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 3: back up the timeline and say perimenopause or the years

486
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 3: of four to seven to ten years, then it makes

487
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 3: sense that in your late thirties into your forties, yes,

488
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 3: you're most likely perimenopausal. Now the question is do you

489
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: have symptoms that you need to have treated. So birth

490
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 3: control obviously is you know you're not going to get

491
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: pregnant with birth control, and that's also another form of

492
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 3: birth control. But if you look at hormone therapy, which

493
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 3: a lot of people question, it only has a third

494
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 3: to a third to a fifth of the dose of

495
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: what birth control has in terms of estrogen. So I'm

496
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: not a doctor either, but I've learned all these facts

497
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 3: because most doctors aren't talking about these things. And that's

498
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 3: the reason I wrote the book. That's the reason I

499
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: did the documentary because we're going into doctors asking for help,

500
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 3: and a lot of them have not been trained and

501
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: it's not their fault.

502
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: But like, I'm not going to look like until I

503
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 2: read your book, but like I'm not going to go

504
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: and go out of my way to find another obgn

505
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: Like it's not necessarily because like, yes, I have symptoms,

506
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: but I'm also a dancer. So do I have joint pain? Yes,

507
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: from pushing celebrities around the dance floor. Absolutely, from pushing

508
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 2: like football players.

509
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that don't move that.

510
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: I mean, of course I have arthritis, right, And then

511
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: as far as sweats go, like yeah, I mean whenever

512
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 2: I'm active.

513
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: I was always that dancer that.

514
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 4: Sweats, so never smelled, but I sweat and the symptom okay, okay, okay,

515
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 4: But like, what if you're an athlete or retired athlete

516
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: in my case, and how do you how do you know?

517
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: How do you know the difference between those I mean

518
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 3: that is when you're looking at all those symptoms, and

519
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 3: some of the symptoms are the bigger symptoms that we

520
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: talk about. Right, it's not that enjoy pain, probably a perimenopause,

521
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: but I would would look at that age of where

522
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: you're at, but I would.

523
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: It makes sense, It totally makes sense.

524
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: It's just in all women. If you're lucky enough, we're

525
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: going to go through it. I think what we said,

526
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: if you're lucky enough, if you're lucky enough to live

527
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 3: that long to go through it, yeah, right, If not,

528
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 3: then you're not here. And so I think about those

529
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: things all women, all women, all women.

530
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 2: If you're lucky enough, women, we need to stick together

531
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: because this is something we all have in common.

532
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Well, well, and I.

533
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: Think there are some great doctors out there that are

534
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 3: really learning that they leave. You know, they're in practice,

535
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: they're seeing patients every seven if seven minutes, third fifteen

536
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 3: minutes with the patient. They're grinding all the time and

537
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: then going their way to have to learn this now

538
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 3: because they didn't learn this in medical sus often. And

539
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: so I would say to somebody that has a doctor

540
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 3: that's either dismissing saying it's all part of aging, saying

541
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 3: you know, are you really suffering? Is it really that bad?

542
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 3: That's not the doctor to be going to. It is

543
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 3: finding another doctor. And there are so many great ones

544
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: out there. There's a lot of telehealth companies out there too,

545
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: that make it very very easy to jump on and

546
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 3: get an appointment, because we know that it can be

547
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 3: very difficult to leave your work, you know, put time

548
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 3: aside to go see a doctor. Go find a doctor,

549
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: but at least to kind of know where you are

550
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: with that baseline. But there's not really a blood test

551
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 3: that's going to tell you because during this time your

552
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: hormones are going all over the place. If you're a menopause,

553
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 3: there should be a blood test. I know, I wish

554
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: I wish, But you know what, it makes sense because

555
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: if you look at that, if you look at the chart,

556
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: it just goes like this. So you can do your

557
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 3: blood test here, blood test you and have so different

558
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 3: different numbers. Now, once you get into menopause, if you

559
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: decide you're doing estrogen and progesterone and testosterone. If you're

560
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 3: doing testosterone, which I do as well, then there's a

561
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 3: test because you want to make sure you have the

562
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 3: right amount not too much.

563
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: Now do you do this when you're also on growth control?

564
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 3: Well, that depends. I don't know about testosterone with that. Yeah, yeah,

565
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: that's sure. I'm a journalist, but I do think it's

566
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: important for you to know that, and especially if you're

567
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 3: not sleeping, If you're not sleeping, and that's a part

568
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: of it progesting.

569
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: Sobriety though, has really that as soon as a big time,

570
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: of course, I'm sure it has.

571
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it has.

572
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if I've always had problems sleeping. But then

573
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: it was because I was so drunk that I would

574
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: just pass out, you know.

575
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: And sciously and sciously yea, because because we were like just.

576
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: I was so exhausted because I was training dancing with

577
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: the start like seven days a week, and then I

578
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: would just go out seven nights a week, allroom dancer

579
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: by day of course, club goer by night.

580
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: Girl. Yeah, I will tell you not having alcohol will

581
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: be so helpful of not triggering other symptoms. And it's

582
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: a really big deal because most women realize that they

583
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 3: just can't drink anymore. Interesting, Yeah, it is. It is,

584
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: just it's a very big differences of change, say asleep,

585
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: it's a lot of change. And and so I think

586
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: that what's interesting there this time is it really allows

587
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: you to take a bit of a beat and say, like, Okay,

588
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to take care of this because this is

589
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: going to be around for another third to half of

590
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: my life and I have to really take care of

591
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: it the right way.

592
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: That's the plan.

593
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: And uh okay, So moving on to your now marriage. Yes,

594
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: and metopause. Yes, what was that like?

595
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I didn't understand perimenopause when I was

596
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: going through it. So I was having erratic, crazy periods,

597
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 3: you know, bleeding through things left and right. No, not

598
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 3: knowing what was going on. I had a dumetrium poll up.

599
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: So I didn't also know that that hallmark of twelve

600
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: months without a period, because I would be bleeding during

601
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: that time. But I was dating my now husband then

602
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 3: and we were actually standing in the airport not married,

603
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: when I got that note in my patient portal in

604
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: menopause questions, and I was like, I'm in menopause, Like,

605
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't know that any guy knows really what to

606
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: say with that, you know, proclamation a flight. I don't

607
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: know what to say about any of that. I didn't

608
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: know what to say, but I will say that, you know,

609
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 3: a lot of things changed and during that time, like

610
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 3: libido was my libido was like not around. It was

611
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: like m I A. And so the girl that like

612
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: he met versus the girl that you know he married,

613
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: it was different.

614
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: And so you're looking through this in your second Oh sure, okay.

615
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: I was fifty when we got married, and so I

616
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: was like, Hi, here comes the menopausal bride. And that

617
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: was really what, you know, what was going on. And

618
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 3: so I had to learn about libido, learn about why

619
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: it was that because it was a little scary. I

620
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I got married and now

621
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: I have no I mean, I don't want to have sex.

622
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to think about sex. So don't come

623
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 3: near me. And so I had to understand what that,

624
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, that was, and how communication played a role,

625
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: and how vaginal estrogen plays a role, and how you know,

626
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: painful sex is a real thing because you're you know,

627
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: estrogen is all over your body and your tissues are

628
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: getting thinner and it's painful. And so those are conversations

629
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 3: that we have to be having way earlier than fifty

630
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: years old. And so that's why I'm really on a

631
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: mission to help women take charge of their health starting

632
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: in their mid thirties or before that, so they know

633
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: what to expect and it's not scary when they they share.

634
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: Teach us in school, because I mean we would have to.

635
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: They totally should.

636
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tart of sexual education. If there's even such

637
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: a thing nowadays, I don't even we would.

638
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: Fallow off the timeline like it once more past reproductive years.

639
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: We're not there anymore. And that's a real proude. That's

640
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: a real problem.

641
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So as far as educating ourselves more, I guess

642
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: what are the first steps, because like in my case,

643
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: you know, is it to find someone that specializes in

644
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: metopause As far as the doctor.

645
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: Goes, I think first and foremost is to educate yourself, right,

646
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: It's really to educate yourself curious and being curious and

647
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: asking the questions and knowing that you if you are

648
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: a woman and you're listening to this and you're in

649
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: your thirties or even in your twenty I mean any woman,

650
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: but let's just say in your thirties, you can assume

651
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: that very soon, in the next ten years, you're going

652
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: to be in that perimenopausal period. It's not like, oh,

653
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: I'm forty six, but when I'm forty seven, you're going

654
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: to be in there, because those are the years leading

655
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: up to menopause. The average age of menopause is fifty one,

656
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: so most likely around that time, could it be fifty four? Sure,

657
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: could it be forty nine. My case, it was forty

658
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: eight years old. So understanding that, understanding what those symptoms are,

659
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: and then understanding you kind of have a few options.

660
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: You have hormonal or non hormonal solutions to them. The

661
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: hormonal would be hormone therapy. The non hormonal there are supplements,

662
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: There are lifestyle changes. There are different ways like if

663
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: you want to do magnesium at night to help you sleep,

664
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: if you want to make sure you up your protein.

665
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: There's all those sometimes pesterone really to help me. Progesterone

666
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: help me. Okay, you get the problem sleeping, then that

667
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: is that is one of those sure signs, like that's

668
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: who you should be.

669
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: You're not my therapist ongoing, But I there's this weird.

670
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: Thing that I take satisfaction in staying up when everyone's sleeping.

671
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: It's so weird.

672
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: That's okay, I get it. I get it. I used

673
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: to take a dintisfaction in getting up in the morning early,

674
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: and I was like, see, I have so succeeded now

675
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: above everybody. I'm up four hours earlier than everybody.

676
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: I know. I don't know if I'm succeeded, but I'm like,

677
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, there's it's quiet, like I can.

678
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: Actually get easily distracted. So yeah, that's just more work.

679
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: That is like what work? You know though.

680
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: That's okay though, But I think educating yourself is so important.

681
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: And here's why you have to educate yourself, so you

682
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: know when you go into your doctor, whether or not

683
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: your doctor is educated to talk to you about this,

684
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: and so you know, in the book, that's what I

685
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: go through. I go through understanding it educates you know

686
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: what's going on, understanding the different symptoms. I hit the

687
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: thirty four kind of big symptoms of it. There can

688
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: be upwards of fifty to one hundred symptoms of menopause

689
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: because estrogen is all over our body and we start

690
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: to lose it during this time. That's what happens. Those

691
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: hormones go down, and then I think it's important to

692
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: know what kind of script that you need once you

693
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: go into a doctor's office and either find a person

694
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: that is educated about menopause or feels comfortable talking about it,

695
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: because some doctors don't even feel comfortable talking about it.

696
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: I think also it's like what do we ask like

697
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: as patients? And by the way, a lot if anyone's

698
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: like me, which I know there are people that hate

699
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: doctors to even get in there, like is a big deal.

700
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go researching for more doctors.

701
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: It is. Telehealth is a good one. You know, there's

702
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: Mini Health, there is Alloy Health, there's Maven Health, and

703
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: I appreciate those because that is what they do day

704
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: in and day out, and so it's not that you

705
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: have to going and go HI. Do you guys feel

706
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: comfortable to your environment? Like, that is what they do.

707
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Show me what you know about METAPO, that's what.

708
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: They do, and so I feel like that's that's a

709
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: good way to do it. And I think it's important.

710
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: And yes, you don't want to have to interview your doctor,

711
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: but at the same time, you don't want to I

712
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: want to go to a doctor either, So you don't

713
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: want to be gas lit by a doctor because that

714
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: just causes all other, you know, sorts of issues.

715
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: Would it be easier to say, stick to women doctors.

716
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: Or you know, I found some great men practitioners too.

717
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: I think that I have I have a a woman

718
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: doctor right now because she also does surgery. I have

719
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: in demetrian polyps, so I have to go and get

720
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: surgery and she wound up just being really amazing about

721
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: me being able to talk too easier about it. But

722
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: I do think men are becoming more and more part

723
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: of the conversation, which I'm encouraged by. And there are

724
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: some incredible male male doctors out there and researchers out there,

725
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: so I think it takes all of us. But I

726
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: would say that telehealth is a great option that we

727
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: didn't have five years ago, really like we have now.

728
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it really has grown into something where I

729
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: feel encouraged by and excited about being able to recommend

730
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: an offer.

731
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: And also, if you guys listen to your book, obviously

732
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: an audible, there's a PDF test that has all this information.

733
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a PDF of all the resources. And

734
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: I wanted to do that because I didn't want the listen.

735
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: The reason I wrote this book is because there was

736
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: no girlfriend's guide to this time in life, none what

737
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 3: to expect when you're expensing. We had you know, are

738
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: there God, it's me Margaret. We didn't have are you

739
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: there God, it's me? A menopause? So how to Menopause

740
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: is that book, and I wanted to make sure it

741
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: was easy.

742
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure you should do something with

743
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: that title.

744
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: Oh thank you, it's it's a second book in the

745
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 4: words second podcast.

746
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: It was just really really important for me to give

747
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: women a guide to help them to make decisions. And

748
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: so I want that to be kind of that resource

749
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: that they can open up and say like, Okay, I'm

750
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: not having a problem sleeping, but my sex life is

751
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: taking a dive, so I'm turning to the sex chapter,

752
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: or hey, these things are going well, but mindset is

753
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: really difficult for me. I even have a dating chapter

754
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: because we're dating in perimenopause.

755
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: We're making on the side.

756
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: I'm not still matchmaking on the side. To help me,

757
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: you can tell me what you're looking for, and I'm

758
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: always that's the problect.

759
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: That you might have to look for your mind set

760
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: and I just have to like just look for you.

761
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: But I'm a picky one, So.

762
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: Okay, answer, well, what trust me? I'm not trust me?

763
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So first of all, thank you for your service,

764
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: because this is really helpful. It is it is beyond helpful.

765
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: I mean even for just to spark curiosity in me.

766
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: I don't like doctors.

767
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: First stop, I get me. You know, I lost my

768
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: mother to breast cancer. I couldn't go into a hospital

769
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: without feeling like I was going to pass out. I

770
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: couldn't go to a doctor's office without smelling that smell.

771
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: So I really understand what you're saying. I think that

772
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: if I encourage any woman to do anything, it's start

773
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: looking at your lifestyle and back into it if that's

774
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 3: the best way to do it, and don't suffer god,

775
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: you know, unnecessary. Here's why, because it's not just about

776
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: hot flashes. It's not just about not being able to

777
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: sleep or a little belly fat. It's about long term

778
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 3: health ramifications. And if we don't start dealing with this now,

779
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 3: and we are going to live to seventy years old

780
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 3: or sixty five years old or whatever these ages are,

781
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: we are talking about protecting our bones, protecting our minds.

782
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: I've abused my body heart so hard as a dancer.

783
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: Like you.

784
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: You say something in your book where you wrote, like,

785
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: whatever the way you treated yourself in the earlier years is,

786
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: you're going to feel it.

787
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've got then you know what, this is

788
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: going to be paidful.

789
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: I felt it. But it's never too late. It's never

790
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: too late. It's upping your you know.

791
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: To bring your bones prote I know.

792
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: I did too.

793
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: I had diet cocon friedos I loved. I love diet coked, had.

794
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: Snack Wells because they were fast great.

795
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: My stepdad's a dentist, and literally I was raised with

796
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: like remember those Jenny Craig TV dinners and like hot pocket,

797
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: everything processed.

798
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm.

799
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: Crosseds, like hello, people like process, process, process. Burger King

800
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: was there once, Oh my goodness.

801
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: We didn't know no I know, gosh, but now we do.

802
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: Now we do.

803
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: Protein is the other big one.

804
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: Protein you can't get from Burger king.

805
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: You can't get it from Burger Well, I mean maybe bad.

806
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 3: That's some other sources for you in the books.

807
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: So what would you say the most common questions are

808
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: from other women.

809
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that one of the big questions is

810
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: what you know exactly what you asked, like, am how

811
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: do I know I'm in perimenopause? And so in looking

812
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: at those symptoms, tracking those symptoms is the most important.

813
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: I think the next big question is also always like

814
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: are there really lifestyle changes that you can make? And

815
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: answers yes. My big focus and my big you know,

816
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: if I push for anything, it's like trying to focus

817
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: on sleep and trying to make sure you're getting that

818
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: because of the fact that your hormones are so erratic.

819
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: Chapter scared the.

820
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: Actually, actually, as I was unpacking it was like three

821
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: in the morning, I was like, oh, great, great, thanks to.

822
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: Thank I have to go talk to you.

823
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: It's not even like you said, like every every night

824
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: that you lose sleep.

825
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, overy my god. That chapter I had to

826
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: scale back. It was so long, and you know, It's

827
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: still the long one of Long's chapters in the book.

828
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: Right, it was, you're talking at me, I'm even talking

829
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: to me, You're it was crazy.

830
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: It's really important, crazy, It's really important.

831
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: Can you can you just just reiterate.

832
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: Sleep hygiene, getting to bed at the same time every night,

833
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: waking up at the same time as best you can

834
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: within reason, not making yourself crazy, blacking out your room,

835
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 3: making sure that you do a wind down, that you're

836
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: not my.

837
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: Dog snores, I refuse to sleep.

838
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: Well, I know what I think. I'm that's hard for me,

839
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: Like that was, that was not a deal break with me.

840
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: I had to my dog in my bed all the time.

841
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I sleep with my air pods, which is

842
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: probably another problem.

843
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: That I know. I try to, like I try to

844
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: unwind that. But if even if you can just like

845
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: set the alarm and then turn it off, if you can,

846
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: if you can keep the blue lights out of there,

847
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: I mean, the the sleep hygiene part, in understanding it

848
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 3: and understanding what those different hormones do to our sleep

849
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: to disrupt it is so so important. So that's that's

850
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: one of the big ones. And then I think the

851
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: other thing that women ask is like is it ever

852
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 3: I'm ever gonna feel it myself again? And the answer

853
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: is not really. I think you're gonna feel like a

854
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: better version of yourself. Yeah, it feel very different on

855
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 3: the other side of this, and it's and it's it's

856
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: in part yes, because you've gone through the symptoms. But

857
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: I think the bigger part of it is that there's

858
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: a freedom that comes with all of this. There's a

859
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 3: freedom that comes with this lack of timelines in life

860
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: that we feel like we have to should have. Could

861
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: a I feel like we got to a place where

862
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 3: our minds are, you know, not trying to be the

863
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 3: caretakers of everybody else, and we're giving ourselves a little

864
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: more attention. So that would be the other question, and

865
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: that would definitely be my answer.

866
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more about the I guess

867
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: the positive aspects of all this, though it may not seem.

868
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: Like that too.

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Speaker 4: I know it's always want to start note, Yeah, what, so.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel empowered? What type of freedom did you feel?

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Speaker 2: I mean not to say that because you're still going

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Speaker 2: through it. Yeah, right, sure, you're the rest of your life, right,

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Speaker 2: the second half, yeah, my life part two?

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Speaker 1: You know, like, yes, exactly so what is that like that.

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Speaker 3: Feeling, you know, I mean, you get past that hard

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Speaker 3: part of the symptoms, like paramenopause is really the most confusing,

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Speaker 3: chaotic part of the symptoms, right menopause. I felt like

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Speaker 3: I was a little more in control. It's like I

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Speaker 3: understood what was happening. My brain fog that dipped down

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Speaker 3: here and was debilitating at times, you know, came back

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Speaker 3: up so I can memoriz. I wouldn't have been able

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Speaker 3: to have a conversation with you. I literally would have

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Speaker 3: been like struggling for words like what No, Like what's

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Speaker 3: your book about? Yeah, so there's a chapter?

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Speaker 1: No literally no, literally, and.

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Speaker 3: I would just stop and you'd be like, help.

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Speaker 1: Me, was this happening when you were journalist?

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Speaker 3: Of course it was. It was happening. I'd see the

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Speaker 3: tele the teleprophy gone for that, I mean no, I'd

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Speaker 3: look at a word, I'd recognize the word, and then

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Speaker 3: some days I couldn't get it out of my mouth,

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Speaker 3: just randomly, not all the time, but just enough to

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Speaker 3: just kill my confidence.

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Speaker 1: At a certain point, I think, like I always have

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Speaker 1: brain forgetting.

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Speaker 3: Why you go into our room forgetting? And that's why

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Speaker 3: a lot of women have a lot of fear. They

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Speaker 3: have a lot of fear hand, but but that would

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Speaker 3: happen constantly. So I would say that that comes out

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Speaker 3: on the other side where it sort of levels back

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Speaker 3: out to where you were pre you know, before menopause,

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Speaker 3: and so that's exciting. I think a lot of the

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Speaker 3: freedom comes with not being that caretaker anymore, even though

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Speaker 3: we do have a lot of with aging parents that

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Speaker 3: were taking care of. Many women have children they're taking

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Speaker 3: care of. But I do feel like we come out

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Speaker 3: on the other side and say like, Okay, I have

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Speaker 3: to put me, I have to put me first, and

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Speaker 3: then the lack of filter comes with it all of like,

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Speaker 3: you know, my lack of filter has I've always tried that,

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Speaker 3: but get ready for it to be even more prominent.

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Speaker 3: I don't even try to get ready for it to

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Speaker 3: be more prominent.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even saying sorry afterwards.

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Speaker 3: But those are some real gifts. Those are yours, and

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Speaker 3: we see women do incredible things, and so I get

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Speaker 3: excited about this time in life versus fearful that my

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Speaker 3: best years are are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but also like why, you know, we all evolve,

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Speaker 2: whether you like it or not. We're human and we

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Speaker 2: are evolving every second of the every day, and so

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Speaker 2: to say that when am I going to feel like

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Speaker 2: myself regardless?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like regardless? I mean, why would you want to?

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Speaker 3: I could not agree more. I could not agree more.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your work.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: This has been such an amazing conversation. I've learned so

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Speaker 2: much from Tamson. Seriously, this is something that you know

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Speaker 2: is needed, especially in the world of just metopause. We

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Speaker 2: need to be educated. Be sure to grab her new

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Speaker 2: book How to Metopause out right now. Listeners, we want

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