1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: You're in the Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexton 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Get more from Buck by following him on 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: social media at buck Sexton on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: Welcome friends, Great to have you here with me on 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: The Buck Sexton Show. I am very concerned, as you know, 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: about this trend of censorship that's happening all across social media, 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: because you have to remember, they're not going to be 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: judicious in the application of this. They're not going to say, okay, 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: only the really bad people on the right, and there 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: are certainly some only those people are going to be punished. No, 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: there's going to be mass purges not only of individuals, 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: but also of ideas, in some cases, ideas that are 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: really central policy debates. We should have seen this coming 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: because it wasn't the election. You have to remember, it 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the election that was the original reason for online censorship. 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: It was COVID nineteen lockdowns and mask effectiveness, right, And 17 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: that's a different thing, isn't it than just saying anything 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: outright about masks if you even question the effectiveness of them, 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: something that in the beginning of twenty twenty, as you've 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: no doubt heard me talk about many times, doctor Fauci 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: suggested there was essentially no effectiveness. That was what Fauci said. 22 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: They can pretend he didn't. But now if you even 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: question it, you are d platformed, you're attacked, you are banned, 24 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: you're censored. And we have been led to believe through 25 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: four years that the real threat of authoritarianism, and the 26 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: heart of authoritarianism, is the concept of you must obey. 27 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: It is not about your consent. You must obey, and 28 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: there are there are threats. There is eventually the threat 29 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: of force attached to this, But even in the earlier stages, 30 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: it's obey or you can't speak out without fear of 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: being censored by platforms. Obey or maybe you can't even 32 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: conduct your business anymore. You'll be boycotted. Obey or you 33 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: won't be able to use banking services, You'll be kicked 34 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: out of essential parts of day to day life until 35 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: you submit. You must submit or else. We've been told 36 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: for four years that the big threat of this came 37 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump and the right when all along, and 38 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: there's really no serious disagreement about this. All along, there 39 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: has been a complete opposition to this president from the media, 40 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: from Silicon Valley and from much of corporate America. Look 41 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: at what happened during the BLM riots and protests. There 42 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: were lawful BLM protests, to be sure, but there were 43 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: also a lot of riots, a lot of destruction of property, 44 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: a lot of assaults on police. Corporate America was almost 45 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: uniformly supportive of those protests. Corporate America was sending them money, 46 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: and there was no condemnation of political violence or riots. 47 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: Social media allows you to say things like racist cops 48 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: murdered this person, and then when we find out more 49 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: facts and we know that it's not actually not a 50 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: murder and it was not motivated by racism based on 51 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: anything that we know, there's no fact check run on that. 52 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: There's no additional context that's put out there. So we 53 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: know that there is a capricious application of the terms 54 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: of service, whether it's about COVID lockdowns or BLM and 55 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: political violence. They're playing games, folks. They're not applying these 56 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: standards honestly. In fact, they're weaponizing the standards against one side. 57 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: Where does the greatest concern of authoritarianism come from? Look 58 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: show me a regime around the world, either today or 59 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: in history that was truly an authoritarian state. And ask 60 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: yourself this question. Was the press such as it was 61 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: in complete opposition to the ruling party or totally doing 62 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: the bidding of the ruling party, And you'll come to 63 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: a very straightforward conclusion. Now, there may be some opposition 64 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: papers here and there, a little bit there may be. 65 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: But do you ever have the entirety of the corporate 66 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: establishment and the information establishment and the intellectual class, so 67 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: to speak, completely united against a truly authoritarian regime. No, 68 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: because you couldn't have. You couldn't have such a governing 69 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: a governing system. You couldn't have somebody in total control 70 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: with so many powerful forces arrayed against them. I bring 71 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: this up between because my concern now is that we're 72 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: heading toward what is supposed to be a benevolent authoritarianism 73 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: of the left and the Democrat Party, but will end 74 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: up just being the authoritarianism. That's what we're actually going 75 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: to get. They think it's for our own good. We 76 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: have to censor bad ideas. Got to keep you safe, 77 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: so you can't question lockdowns or masks. Got to get 78 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: rid of political violence. But we're only going to do 79 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: it from the right. And by the way, I support 80 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: the elimination of political violence, but I do think it 81 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: should be supported in all kinds of politics and from 82 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: all sides of the aisle, and from American political conversation 83 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: and discourse. So notice how there's there's just a complete 84 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: lack of understanding of what will really happen, what we're 85 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: facing when you have a government that's coming into power 86 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: here that is almost messianic. I mean, it has a 87 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: zeal to do things in your life. Save what you 88 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: all about Trump, much of his governing philosophy, whatever however 89 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: you want to describe it, involved letting people do what 90 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: they were going to do, and he wasn't trying to 91 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: get all up and everything that your life is about 92 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: day in and day out. That's about to change your choices. 93 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: Your freedoms are going to be under assault in unprecedented 94 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: ways from people who believe that even if they're not 95 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: helping you, they're helping society. You see, they're assisting, they're 96 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: advancing the collective. And so whatever whatever downfall this this creates, 97 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: whatever downside this creates for you, is irrelevant, and they're 98 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: going to be echoed by everything. Everything you're seeing in 99 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: the mainstream media, everything you're going to be seeing from 100 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley. I mean, if you wanted to create an 101 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: authoritarian America having Silicon Valley and nine five percent of 102 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: the journalistic establishment and a truly angry and emboldened Democrat Party, 103 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: it's it is a concern. It's a worry because they're 104 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: not saying this would be a perfect opportunity for Joe 105 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: Biden and the Democrats to say, everybody, we are reconciling 106 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: as a nation. The election is over. Joe Biden one, 107 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: he will be president, Kamala Harris will be vice president, 108 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: and we're gonna be a good administration for all Americans. No, 109 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: we're not purging, we're not settling scores, We're not doing 110 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: any of that stuff. And I tell you this, it 111 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: would be if a lot of people would be very 112 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: receptive of that message, including I think a lot a 113 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: lot of people who are Republicans. They would say, okay, 114 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: and if they took those actions in good faith, Wow, 115 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't it be nice. I would rather actually live in 116 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: America where we can debate policy issues, but by and large, 117 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: politics as much less an obsession of individuals where and 118 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: it has to be for some folks because you've seen 119 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they've the lockdown mentality has destroyed countless lives 120 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: this year, and so politics, even if you didn't care 121 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: about it before, it cares about you. So it's been unavoidable. 122 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: I would prefer us to go to a place where 123 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: it's more of a of an intellectual and curiosity hobby. Right, oh, 124 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: what's going on in politics today? Right before you check 125 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: out the sports section or look at what soap operas 126 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna watch. I don't know how many of you 127 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: watch soap operas, but you get the idea. I think 128 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: that would be a healthier place for us to be 129 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: as a country, where you know, yes, we have our politics, 130 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: but we have these other areas of public life where 131 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: we don't have to always be an R or a 132 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: D or whatever else people are. But here's my warning 133 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: to all of us. I don't think that's where we're 134 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: heading at all. I think everything is going to be 135 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: even more political because the people that think that Donald 136 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: Trump was a fascist and that they believe that his 137 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: supporters have to also pay a price, and that price 138 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: is not just losing the election, which is very very disconcerting. 139 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, he lost. It's done, it's over, Okay, it's finished, 140 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: and that hurts to say for a lot of people's 141 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: that makes them pretty depressed. But that's not sufficient in 142 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: the eyes of the left. There has to be a 143 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: whole other level here. They want a repudiation not only 144 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: of Trump ideas, but of one's former support for this president. 145 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: That's where this is all going. They want total and 146 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: complete submission and the acceptance of our tech overlords and 147 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: their view of what is acceptable speech. This is the 148 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: biggest threat to day to day individual freedom i've in America, 149 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: certainly since the darkest days of nine to eleven and 150 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: the the lockdown and crackdown afterwards on a whole host 151 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: of activities and ideas. But with this one, it's not 152 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: that out. There's not that there's al Qaeda, there's some 153 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: external enemy. The enemy that the Democrat sy is is internal, 154 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: and they're they're pushing this with an increase in domestic 155 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: terror investigations and prosecutions, referring to not just people that 156 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: broke the law and storm the Capitol and the rioters, 157 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: but referring to anyone running around DC as a terrorists 158 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: or terrorists in waiting. They're going to be very broad 159 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: with how they apply these definitions and They're going to 160 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: be very ruthless with the way they try to exact revenge. 161 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: So I want us all to be prepared for this. 162 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: This is going to be a challenging time for those 163 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: of us who do not agree with whatever the Biden 164 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: Harris agenda is going to be, and who fight against 165 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: the lockdowns, who fight against the digital tyranny that is 166 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: upon us. Now we are on We are on defense 167 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: big time, and a lot of us got used to 168 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: being on political offense for a few years, but the 169 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: pendulum has swung far to the other side. Now. This 170 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: is not a cause for despair. It's just a cause 171 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: for looking at the reality and preparing for it, understanding 172 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: who you trust, who you're alongside, and how we move 173 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: forward together. And a big part of this is the 174 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: battle over tech and over social media and the Internet, 175 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: which is the biggest advancement in human communication certainly since electricity, 176 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: and before that, you'd have to say the printing press, right. 177 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: I mean, this is enormous and we cannot allow this 178 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: to become dominated by one set of beliefs. And I 179 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: believe that it'll really tear the country apart if that's 180 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: allowed to continue, or if that's allowed to continue on 181 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: its current trend, and with that, I'm glad to see 182 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: that there's the beginnings at least of a resistance and 183 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: a pushback to the crackdown from Facebook and others. Let's 184 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: dive into that. Thanks for listening to The Buck Sexton 185 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Get the latest news and information from book 186 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: by heading to buck Sexton dot com. Well, we know 187 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: this was organized online. We know that we again took 188 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: down qan on Croud Boys, stop this deal, anything that 189 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: was talking about possible violence last week. Our enforcements never perfect, 190 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: so I'm sure there were still things on Facebook. I 191 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: think these events were large organized on platforms that don't 192 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: have our abilities to stop hate, and don't have our 193 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: standards and don't have our transparency. But certainly to this day, 194 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: we're working to find any single mention that might be 195 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: meaning to and making sure we get it down as 196 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: quickly as possible. This is just not true. That's the 197 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: Facebook CEO Cheryl Sandberg when she says that this can't 198 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: be done on Facebook, or that this wasn't done on Facebook, 199 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: or that there have not been violent riots planned and 200 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: executed using platforms like Twitter and Facebook. That's just not accurate. 201 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you look back at news stories stretching back 202 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: for years. There's been all kinds of horrible stuff, horrible 203 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: stuff that has transited the the servers and platforms and 204 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: put on your screen, from Facebook, from Twitter, from these 205 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: because their platforms, and they have this Section two thirty 206 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: protection that allows them to be platforms, but they are 207 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: now acting as publishers because they're taking editorial lines and 208 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: they're not they're not applying standards without politicization. So they 209 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: want to have it both ways, and that's the fundamental 210 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: issue here, and they're getting away with it. They're getting 211 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: away with it. When she says that the Capitol Hill 212 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: riots we're not organized on Facebook, that's a very you 213 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: know that, that's a very interesting position for it to to take. 214 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: How would they how would they even know? And how 215 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: quickly are they taking things off? You're really going to 216 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: tell me that Facebook, with its billions of users and 217 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: all the people that gathered together and went to DC 218 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: and anybody who was talking about criminal activity, they didn't 219 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: they didn't use Facebook. It was all on parlor. That's 220 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: the allegation. They better prove that one. I want to 221 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: see the proof, because I know that Facebook has been 222 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: used to plan geehottest terror attacks. I mean, you look 223 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: at these other platforms. There's all kinds of horrible stuff 224 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: going on. But we don't hold the phone companies responsible 225 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: for what any lunatic, you know, if a if a 226 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: mafia boss calls in an assassination, you know, a hit 227 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: on somebody using a phone, we don't blame the cell 228 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: phone company. Oh I didn't you want to stop this? 229 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: It's impossible to have perfect moderation, and that seems to 230 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: be the standard that they're holding Parlor to where they 231 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: pulled down violent content or incendiary content. Maybe they're not 232 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: as efficient as Facebook, but they haven't said, well, let's 233 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: just increase your efficiency. You know, when you're talking about 234 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: Amazon Web Services AWS pulling Parlor off the Internet, it 235 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: isn't Oh, we'll work with you so that you guys 236 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: we can all agree. I want the rules of the 237 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: road here, and you're going to enforce them. It's no, sorry, 238 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: you're done. We think there's too much violent stuff on 239 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: your site. Twitter is full of horrible stuff. Horrible stuff 240 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: they've got, uh, you know, Iranian politicians and and and 241 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: you know Russian dictator and they've got all kinds of 242 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: wacko awful propaganda on there calling for genocide against human beings. 243 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: I the Chinese commun his party can spee whatever nonsense 244 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: they want on Twitter, and they don't get any you know, 245 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: push back from these authorities. So we know that the 246 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: standard is a let's crush conservative standard. And it reminds 247 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: me right now. It reminds me a little bit of 248 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: how conservatives were completely you know, put on their back 249 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: feet and scared after the shooting, the shooting of I'm sorry, 250 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: the incident with George Floyd. It wasn't a shooting where 251 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: where the knee was on his neck, in his back, 252 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: and then blm, riots happened and all of a sudden 253 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: everybody was WHOA, you know, I maybe maybe cops are 254 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: racist and maybe we should do some big legislative effort 255 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: here to address this and new training everything, and said, 256 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: hold on a second, this is one incident. Let's look 257 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: at all We didn't have all the facts, as you know, 258 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: we only saw half that video. The other half of 259 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: the video was important, important to see. But people were scared. 260 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: And the left is they're very adeptit this. They're very good. 261 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: They go after people intentionally in bad faith on the right, 262 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: if they just wanted to purge the crazies. A lot 263 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: of people that sit around and say, all right, I mean, 264 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, Q is a bunch of wackos. I you know, 265 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even know what Q believes, 266 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: and Q is insane, So don't you know that's not 267 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: my problem. A lot of people sit around and say, well, 268 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: what's the but no, for them to really gain political power, 269 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: for the left, for the Democrats to fully leverage what's 270 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: going on, they gotta go after some people that they 271 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: know are opposed to any kind of political violence, that 272 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: they know denounced immediately and would always going forward denounce 273 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: a riot in the Capitol building. They got to get 274 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: some of those people, because that sends a message to everybody, 275 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: To the vast majority of conservatives, to the ninety nine 276 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: point nine percent of conservatives who would never raise their 277 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: hand in anger against a police officer over a political issue, 278 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: the left sends a message to all of them, and 279 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: get you too. You think, just because you're ethical and 280 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: honorable and don't support political violence and don't support breaking 281 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: laws because of election discontent, that you're safe or that 282 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: you'll be allowed to speak. No, No, friends, authoritarians always 283 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: have to make an example of the compliant as well 284 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: as well as those who disobey. Thanks for listening to 285 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Get the latest news and 286 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: information from Buck by heading to buck Sexton dot com. 287 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: Do you have any concerns that Congress will be distracted 288 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: if this trial goes forward instead of focusing on the 289 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: cabinet and coronavirus? Yes, I do have concerns, but so 290 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: does Speaker Pelosi. Misforcome is a pretty good legislator, and 291 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: he is doing what he thinks he needs to do 292 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: to be disruptive of President Biden. But I will send 293 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: him McConnell uh nex Belos is smarter than that. We'll 294 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: take the vote that we should take in the House, 295 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: and she will make the determination as win as the 296 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: best time to get that vote, to get the managers 297 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: upon it and move that legislation over to the Senate. 298 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: It's just so happens that if it didn't go over 299 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: there for one hundred days, it could. Let's give President 300 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: and LEC Biden the hundred days he needs to get 301 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: us the gender off and run in and maybe we'll 302 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: send the articles sometimes after that. It's not even gonna 303 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: be done when Trump leaves. They're already the Democrats already 304 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: signaling this to you, not not going to let this go. 305 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: And I've I've read that the Attorney General Bill Barr 306 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: had advised the President not to pardon himself, and I 307 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: understand the legal rationale for that. And I'll say I 308 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: became worried about the President's about how the president was 309 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: doing when when he started to turn on Bill Barr, 310 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: which as you know, I would I would not do, 311 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: and I did not. I did not agree with that, 312 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: and I became even more worried. We returning on Mike Pence, 313 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: who I think is has been an amazing case study 314 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: and somebody who has maintained his composure and his dignity 315 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: and his decency through just a maelstrom. I don't mean 316 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: just recently, I mean for all four years, all the 317 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: attacks on the left and everything to put against Mike Pence. 318 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: Let's not forget Mike Pence. Everything he's shown us so 319 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: far is that he's a good man who's trying his 320 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: best in a very difficult job. I believe the same 321 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: thing is true of attorney Attorney General Barr, and I 322 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: said all along, maybe he didn't appoint a special counsel 323 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: on Hunter Biden because he had already looked at what 324 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: was going on there and he didn't see he didn't 325 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: see any federal crimes to investigate. It's possible. Friends, I 326 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: know this stuff does not get This doesn't get a 327 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of clicks, a lot of love 328 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: and conservative media. But I'm telling you the truth. I'm 329 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: telling you the truth because I am your friend, i 330 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: am your ally. I'm here with you shield's eye, and 331 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, the continuation of the persecution of Trump, you 332 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: can bet on that that's going to happen. I mean 333 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: here there you had when we started this out at 334 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: Congressman Clyburn saying that they want to do this after 335 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: the hundred days of Biden's agenda. I'm also going to 336 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: tell you right now be prepared for this. There was 337 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: a lack because of some of the personnel decisions. There 338 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: was a lack of focus and efficacy when Trump came 339 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: into office to pursue I'm talking about the very beginning 340 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen after the inauguration, to pursue agenda items 341 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: that needed to get done. You know, we did not 342 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: have a repeal and replace of a bomacare we did 343 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: not get. We got fifteen miles of new fence or 344 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: wall at the border, hundreds of miles of upgraded fence 345 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: or wall, but we needed more new wall. There were 346 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: things that were left undone because there was a lack 347 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: of focus. All we really got where tax cuts and deregulation, 348 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: which is great, and I praised them, and I don't 349 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: walk back from that at all. I still think those 350 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: were very good moves. But understand that the Biden administration 351 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: is going to undo all of that now and then 352 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: some So what do I see happening here? They're going 353 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: to pursue as the Democrats do, remember with Obamacare twenty 354 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: starting two thousand and nine, going all the way through. 355 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: They're going to pursue with ruthless efficiency, a transformational agenda 356 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: that the left approves of. It won't be as radical, 357 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: I think as some of this stuff we're concerned about 358 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: right now, not yet at least, because they're going to 359 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: use this moment in time to run up the scoreboard. 360 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: For sure, that's what's going to happen. And they're they're 361 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: also going to continue to go after Trump and they 362 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: will not be satisfied. Until he and I I believe 363 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: his family as well are in legal jeopardy, and also 364 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: that his supporters. But I mean supporters, I don't just 365 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: mean his voters. I mean there's seventy five million Trump voters. 366 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be hard to you know, to 367 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: go after all of them, but I mean the top 368 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: people in his White House. There there are there's going 369 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: to be ramifications for them from the left professionally once 370 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: they once they leave this White House. I think that's 371 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: also very much going to be the case. So with 372 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: all of that, I would say that there was one 373 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: thing that Jim Kleibern mentioned when he was going into 374 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: his whole Donald Trump, how We're going to get Donald 375 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: Trump and wait one hundred days, and that is there 376 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: needs to be a renewed national focus on just what 377 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: exactly is going on here with coronavirus and what a 378 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: complete debacle the vaccine rollout has been so far, and 379 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: people who are trying to blame the federal government are delusional. 380 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: It is not. The federal government has delivered the vaccine 381 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: at a five to one rate of the actual distribution 382 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: the vaccine, and the distribution has been left up to 383 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: the states. That was the decision that was made. And 384 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: I remember this, Governor Newsom in California, Governor Cuomo in 385 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: New York was saying that he wouldn't even distribute the 386 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: vaccine until his own state health authorities had approved it. 387 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: So he was taking not even just the right to 388 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: determine who gets this and how quickly, he was going 389 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: a step beyond that to taking this end and saying 390 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: that he might delay it. That's the kind of power 391 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: that he said he had. So it's up to the state. 392 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: And some states West Virginia comes to mind, there are 393 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: others have been really efficient at this, Others have been 394 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: a disaster. It's going to be very difficult for us 395 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: to talk about freedom as a general political issue when 396 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: we do not have individual day to day freedom in 397 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: our lives because of their response to COVID nineteen. We 398 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: all need to understand that we've got to get this 399 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: country reopened. And a huge part of that. I've been 400 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: telling this all along. You know, they all you're anti science, 401 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: and this is what they always say with people question lockdowns. No, 402 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: I think I'm a big advocate for people who are 403 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: at risk, who who are at high risk getting the 404 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen vaccine as soon as possible. I want family 405 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: members of mine who are at the age where they're 406 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: in a risk category. You know, everybody in my family 407 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: who's at a high risk, I want them getting the vaccine. 408 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how they can get it 409 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: as soon as possible. But like a lot of other 410 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: people across the country, always is more bureaucratic bullcrap and 411 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: red tape and slowdowns. Why aren't we getting this into 412 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: the arms of people that it will save with just 413 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: incredible speed. That's what it should be. You know, it 414 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: was warp speed to get this thing approved. It is 415 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: not warp speed to get it distributed. And there are 416 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: some pretty clear reasons as to why. There are government 417 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: officials who think that the most important thing is the 418 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: equity of the distribution of this. They've taken a social 419 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: justice approach to the distribution of a vaccine, and there's 420 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: all these other considerations. Here's how this should be done. 421 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: Every state should set up the resources to put out 422 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: information about where to go if you're sixty five or 423 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: over to get this vaccine quickly and safely. The end, 424 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: I mean that that should be the focus and the 425 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: CDC has just updated its guides. I mean, the CDC 426 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: has been a doominable with so much of its guidance 427 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: along the way. Here should schools stay open? Eh? You know, 428 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: they didn't really know, and then a lot of schools 429 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: shut down. Tell me why not? Why why a single 430 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: school in America should be closed at this point for 431 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen What what sense does that make when we 432 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: know that it's a very minimal threat to children, It 433 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: is a smaller threat. This is a fact I want. 434 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: I can't even be falsely fact checked by Facebook or 435 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: any of these others on this one. It is less 436 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: dangerous to children under the age of twelve than the 437 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: flu on a per capita infectious basis. That's that's just true. 438 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: That's a that's a fact. So why aren't Why are 439 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: our kindergartens and you know, grammar schools across the country 440 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of schools are open, but in some 441 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: places they're still closed or they're only doing you know, 442 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: partial openings, whatever it may be. Well, it's because everyone 443 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: in the bureaucracy just wants to take the position of 444 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: maximum safety and minimum risk in what they're saying. And 445 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: that same approach to the vaccines. Distribution has meant that 446 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who are waiting for this. 447 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: This is costing lives. You know, they keep saying, oh, 448 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: if only we masked up better, and you know, we 449 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: have people on Capitol Hill I've seen are saying, oh, 450 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: Republicans refuse to wear a mask indoors with them and 451 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: so and then there are a couple of members of 452 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: Congress have tested positive and one of them there's photos 453 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: of her in Congress indoors without a mask on. And 454 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: this is always my point. If you wear a mask 455 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: ninety percent or ninety nine percent of the time and 456 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: taking photos and look at how much I mask up. 457 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: You know that one minute period where you don't have 458 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: your mask on you might get infected, and so the 459 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: rest of it doesn't. The rest of the time, but 460 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: the mask doesn't matter. This is people don't seem to 461 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: really understand we're talking about this as a policy. The 462 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: second you take that thing off, you have no protection now, 463 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: so the fact that you were wearing it, that's why 464 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: I get so angry about, Oh, you got to wear 465 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: a mask in a plane, Oh you gott to wear 466 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: a mask in a restaurant. You have no protection, so 467 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you get infected. And they'll say, well, 468 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: but maybe it's less likely you'd get infected. I mean, 469 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: if you're being exposed to COVID, how much less likely? 470 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: They can't answer that question. But the point here being 471 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: that we have to demand accountability from government authorities, and 472 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna be also pushing increasingly for red states to 473 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: be taking a more active, a more active role in 474 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: the protection of our rights, and also to show more 475 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: of our fellow Americans that places like Texas and Florida, 476 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: which are governed by Republicans are outperforming in every important metric, 477 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: places like New York and California. Yeah, you're going to 478 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: see a big focus and it's true on COVID for sure. 479 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be true on everything though. 480 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: You're going to see a big focus on this in 481 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: the months ahead, and also a continued outflow of anyone 482 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: who doesn't want to live in a crazy blue state. Unfortunate. 483 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: There'll be some Democrats also then go and vote Democrat 484 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: in Texas or Florida, but that's going to be happening. 485 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: And in the vaccine changes, something the vaccine distribution change 486 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: is something that we have to be looking at and 487 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: advocating for very very closely. You're in the Freedom Hut. 488 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Get more from 489 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: Buck by following him on social media at buck Sexton 490 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. We must plan our economic resurgence. 491 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: We simply cannot stay closed until the vaccine hits critical mass. 492 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: The cost is too high. We will have nothing left 493 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: to open. We must reopen the economy, but we must 494 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: do it smartly and safely. We will have nothing left 495 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: to open. Who does that sound like? Who those of 496 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: you listening to the show, you say, wait a second, 497 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: if we stay locked down through the whole winter, there'll 498 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: be nothing left to open, at least for independently owned 499 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: and small businesses. You know. Walmart will be fine, Starbucks 500 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: will be fine. But for the millions and millions of 501 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: people who don't own a Walmart or shares in it 502 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: for that matter, what happens to them? Oh? You mean 503 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: their livelihoods are ruined, and they're bankrupted, and their communities 504 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: are devastated. I thought, if you brought this up, you 505 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: were putting a price on human life, because that's what 506 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: Cuomo used to say about this. But now as we see, 507 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: here's what's really happening. They have a very hard time 508 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: showing people who are approaching this with an open mind. 509 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: How is it that we have benefited exactly in large 510 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: in large urban centers, right, so Los Angeles and New 511 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: York City? And how have we benefited from the most 512 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: draconian lockdown stuff? It has been really effective. And that's 513 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: a very hard case to make. I mean, what do 514 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: we really think our cases reduced twenty percent month the month, 515 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: forty percent month? Maybe is that the claim? Because Florida 516 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: doesn't lockdown, and Florida is not ten times the cases, 517 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: five times the cases, double the cases. No, No, their 518 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: businesses are open. There are some restrictions in place, but 519 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: their businesses are open. So why are all restaurants in 520 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: New York City and Los Angeles shut down? What's the 521 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: upside of this? Oh? Okay, they're not locked down in Miami, 522 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: they're not locked down in Tampa. And this is why 523 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: they're trying to say, well, you know, maybe we should 524 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: start to think about reopening even though we're not through 525 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: the pandemic yet. Oh wow, you don't say this is 526 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: the Cuomo chorus, This is the Fauciites. Finally coming to 527 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: the conclusion that I came to a long time ago, 528 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: which is that you can't just have a zero some 529 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: approach to this whole thing, where you either go extreme 530 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: lockdown or you want everyone to die in your terrible 531 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: person which is which is the way they framed this 532 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: issue when Trump was making the initial decisions back in 533 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: April and May. That's what they're in March April and May. 534 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: That's what they were saying. You either were in favor 535 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: of these severe lockdowns or you were a bad person. 536 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: There was there was no middle ground. And I trust me, 537 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: I know because people were saying horrible things to me. 538 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: As if I wasn't a New York City resident with 539 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: my entire family here, all of us in the epicenter 540 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: of the initial COVID outbreak in New York still the 541 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: highest number of deaths per capita New York and New 542 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: Jersey of any state in the country, as if I 543 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: wasn't as concerned as anybody else about this. But I 544 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: also was trying to think about what the policy trade 545 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: offs would be and looking at how much do we 546 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: really gain from remember lockdown? Is they act like what 547 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: they're telling you is everyone stay home and everyone mask 548 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: up one hundred percent, and that's the benefit we're going 549 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: to get from this, But that's not how it happens. 550 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: You still have essential workers, you still have people going 551 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: to medical appointments, you still have people go to the 552 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: grocery store, if people going to big box stores to 553 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: go get a new TV. And so the virus continues 554 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: to spread and you lock down things like restaurants. In 555 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: New York, they thought one percent of cases were happening 556 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: in restaurants. One percent, So you're going to destroy the 557 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: entire restaurant industries to not even eradicate, but to slow 558 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,479 Speaker 1: one percent of cases. When you start to think this through, 559 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense. It always made sense to say, 560 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: if we have too many cases at once, we cannot 561 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: treat people in the hospitals. They're more people will die 562 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: as a result of that, so we have to slow 563 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,479 Speaker 1: them for hospital capacity. That was a fair point to make. 564 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: That was an honest point to and that's why so 565 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: many people went along with it. We have to this 566 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: day not had a major hospital system in a US 567 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: city unable to give treatment to anyone with COVID. But 568 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 1: that's still the framework that we're all using. It's either 569 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: agree with me, or people die in the emergency room 570 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: without any without anyone able to even look at them, 571 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: without anyone with the able to provide the medical attention. 572 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: That's not the reality of what we're seeing to this day. 573 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: And that's why there's finally, it seems the beginnings of 574 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: an opening to have a real conversation about this, the 575 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: beginnings of an opening that I hope we will continue 576 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: to push on. Even Governor Cuomo sang it. You're in 577 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: the Freedom Hut. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast 578 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: from More Bucked. Head to Bucksexton dot com and remember 579 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: to subscribe to the podcast. Harsany time, everybody. Our friend 580 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: back from a your stint of book writing. So we 581 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: haven't had him on in the new year yet. Our 582 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: friend David Harsani back in the mix here. He is 583 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: a senior writer at National Review, and he's going to 584 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: have a great book to talk about at some point soon, 585 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: but for right now it's still getting written. David. Great 586 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: to have you, always a pleasure to be here. Thank you. 587 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: All right, man, we haven't had you weigh in on 588 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: just the state of things right now. What is what 589 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: is top of mind for you in the political scene 590 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: as we as we talked today, Um well, I am 591 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: very concerned about its generally a free speech issues. So 592 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: for me, I am, you know, concerned about how Twitter 593 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: and Google and Amazon are acting just in general. So 594 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: that's a big topic for me. Obviously, I am concerned 595 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: for the country in general when you look at the 596 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: anger and the violence that was generated last week over 597 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: the election, which I you know, which I think was 598 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: pretty horrible and perpetuated by a mythology that the entire 599 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: election was stolen. And so I guess those are the 600 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: two big things. And then you know, we haven't even 601 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: really been able to really sort of get our minds 602 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: around at least I haven't you know, what a Biden 603 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: administration means for us on a number of issues. But 604 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: I think obviously we'll have enough time for that. Let's 605 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: let's take some of these one by one. Let's let's 606 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: start with the free speech issue. I've been talking a 607 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: lot on the show about what it means for big 608 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: tech censorship, and I do think that that, particularly among 609 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: conservatives on on the right, there there is a you know, 610 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: people say, oh, does it really matter know Twitter does 611 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: this or Facebook does that? Doesn't really matter now, and 612 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: that that had been the attitude. You know, people that 613 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 1: work in Media Week care a lot about it because 614 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: it affects our ability to speak to our readers and listeners. 615 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: But I think the general public is getting an understanding now. No, 616 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: this is this is the entire Internet architecture that is 617 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: being used to silence. This is if your business is 618 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: selling products of any kind that you know, who knows 619 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: you mean, you might be selling Maga hats, and all 620 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: of a sudden Amazon decides you're shut down, and not 621 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: just we won't sell your stuff, we'll take your website 622 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: off the internet, right or credit card companies say we're 623 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: not going to sell you know, and you can't use 624 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: us to buy you know, guns or whatever it is. 625 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: So it's very problematic. I struggle with it because I'm 626 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: a big believer in the free market and a big 627 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: believer in people being able to make choices in that 628 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: market on their own. I do find it funny that 629 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: the same people who are pro individual mandate and Obamacare 630 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: and want to force you to buy health insurance, who 631 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: want to sue nuns to buy condoms, who want to 632 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, involve themselves and essentially everything that's done by 633 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: the by the free market. Sorry, that's my dog barking. 634 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: That's okay, it's the world we're in now. We gotta 635 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: do hits from home. You get a dog, I love 636 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, I love dogs, So I got no problem 637 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: go ahead. So in any event, so I find it 638 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: funny that they pretend to care about, you know, these choices, 639 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: which I think they're just happy to be able to 640 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: shut people up who they disagree with. So in my 641 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: contention on this, in my argument is, listen, there's a 642 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: value behind the First Amendment and free expression. It's not 643 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: just about the right. If even if the right wasn't 644 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: codified of it, it wasn't written down, we would still 645 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: believe in the ideals of it. So when you're just 646 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 1: so happy to shut down millions of people because they're 647 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: saying something that you don't like and I don't even 648 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: like most of the time, I think that that's an 649 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: illiberal attitude. And when that becomes normalized as it is now, 650 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: this is even beyond like sort of the practical parts 651 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: of it. When you chip away at that and people 652 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: feel like it's fine to shut down millions of voices 653 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: that they don't agree with, I think that boats very 654 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: poorly for the First Amendment moving forward as well. And 655 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: I'll just use this as an example the term and 656 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: because I've been speaking at this really for all of 657 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: Trump's presidency, the term white supremacy. I mean, I remember 658 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: there was that Norton movie American History Acts, which I 659 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: never actually really I saw pieces of it here and 660 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: there on HBO and such, but you know they're there, 661 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: are movies, or you know, when people talked about white 662 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: supremacists in the nineties the other two thousands, immediately, you know, 663 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,919 Speaker 1: you had this image of a very bad person who 664 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: was of course a racist but also an anti Semite. 665 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: And you know, neo Nazi, white supremacist, shaved head, swastika 666 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: tattoo guys. You know, this was what you would see 667 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: in your mind with white supremacy, and everyone in agree 668 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: these are bad guys. The term white supremacy now is 669 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: used routinely by the left for you know, I mean, 670 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: if you oppose if you support the Asian American guy 671 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: who sued Harvard for discriminating it, people say, well, this 672 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: is this is perpetuating white supremacy. It's like the term 673 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: white So I bring this up just because I feel 674 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: like everyone needs to understand, well, even if they are 675 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: saying their own gonna go after bad people for saying 676 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: for wrong think online or for for evil thing that 677 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: is apps, they're gonna they're gonna expand this so that 678 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: they'll go after people who just oppose an idea and 679 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: is and it's a completely legitimate opposition. Yeah. I mean 680 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: you make a very good point. People who want to 681 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: shut down a bad voice, and we say if we 682 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: give in and say, hey, yeah, you know, if we 683 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: if we treat free speech is not a neutral value 684 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: but just simply something that protects a good speech that 685 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: never ends. As you mentioned, everyone's a white supremacist, right, 686 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: I mean, anyone who's you know, behind a tax cut 687 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: is a white supremacist because it's unfair or whatever it is. 688 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 1: It's funny that you mentioned American history acts. I'm probably 689 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: getting this somewhat wrong, but this that movie is a 690 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: perfect example of how they do this. There's a scene 691 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: where he's at the table being all Nazi like, right, 692 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: He's saying, you know, I hate black people, I hate 693 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: choose and then all of a sudden he's like an 694 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: affirmative action is terrible, you know, Like, so they fold 695 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: in things that are reasonable to disagree with into the 696 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: larger you know, context of hatred and stuff like that. 697 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: You know, oh, you want to close the border. Um, 698 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: you know, the Naziki wants to close the border. So 699 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: they're essentially saying anyone who wants to close the border 700 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: is also a Nazi. Where they you know, they intimate that. 701 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: So that's why you know, I told you I hadn't 702 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: I hadn't seen the movie. I just I don't want 703 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: to cut you off on what do you continue your point? 704 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: But I just say I mean so, so it's even 705 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: even it's even apparent that tendency to take what is 706 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: objectively and objectively clearly wrong, immoral evil, but then use 707 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: that sort of universal moral revulsion to then start going 708 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: after things that clearly aren't that right, like like if 709 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: you oppose tax guys, but go ahead. Yeah, it's like 710 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: saying I really you know, making a creating a fictional 711 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: characters and Nazi and then saying I'm really for you know, uh, 712 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: medicare for all, because you know, you know, Germans had 713 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: that kind of system long, you know, long before anyone 714 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: and and and Richard Spencer or is it Richard Spencer 715 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: or I forgot whatever the naziga's name is, um you 716 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: know is for it as well, so then you must 717 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: be for it. So, I mean, it's just an expansive 718 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: view of these things and it never ends. And that's 719 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: why you have to worry about speech. Like, let me 720 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: just say saying the people who were getting banned or 721 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: saying that the election was stolen, right, I disagree with them, 722 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: But that's a complete that's just a viewpoint. It's not 723 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: an inciting you know, you're not inciting violence by having 724 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 1: that viewpoint, just because some people acted by Nancy Pelosi 725 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: still has Nancy Pelosi still has a tweet up David 726 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: from twenty seventeen saying our election was hijacked. That's the 727 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: same thing as saying stolen, and it's still up there. 728 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: There are there were people on CNN who essentially and 729 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: on MSNBC who are no better than Lynnwood or anyone 730 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: else who had conspiracy theories that were just as bad. Now, 731 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: do I want elected officials to act better than the 732 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: than the talk show person. Yeah, I do, but that 733 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: but still as far as speech goes, they were saying 734 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: the same thing. I would ask any of these people, 735 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: do you believe that the twenty sixteen election was or 736 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: is not stolen, or if the Russians were involved, and 737 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: this they'll still tell you the Russians were, So I 738 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: don't understand why they get to I mean, I do 739 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: understand why they get to speak, but obviously the standards 740 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,359 Speaker 1: not the same. It's being a David Harsani, senior writer 741 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: at National Review, and you can read his latest at 742 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 1: nastionalview dot com. David, where do you think conservatism goes now? 743 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 1: It feels very we were uncertain. A lot of people 744 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: are really worried, and there doesn't seem to be any 745 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 1: anything offering much in the way of answers about you 746 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: know what the movement is, What do you think happens? 747 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what the movement is. I mean, obviously 748 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: I have serious disagreements with many people on the right 749 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 1: over you know, trade policy or policy with big tech, 750 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,720 Speaker 1: and obviously there's going to be some big disagreements. But frankly, 751 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, people who think the Republican Party's finished or 752 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: this or that, I think they misjudge the situation. I 753 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: think what's going to happen is you will have the 754 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: Biden administration doing all kinds of things that conservatives hate 755 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: as a collective, and then that will unite them, as 756 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: it did unite the you know, the left when Trump 757 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: became president. So that's typically what happens because you have 758 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: big consensuses on the right and left. Not a multi 759 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: party state, you know, meaning more than two that are 760 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: always fighting. So I don't know that it's going to 761 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 1: be all you know, Rosie and there'll be a friendship 762 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: among all those folks. Um. I mean, I'm not a 763 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: big fan of like Howeley or where others you know, 764 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: who are more a populist, But I think that in 765 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: the end, you have if you have a common and 766 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 1: I use the word not you know, a common enemy, 767 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: but I don't mean it in the in the warlike sense. 768 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: But if you have a common political opponent, you you 769 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: sort of rally around the try to stop them. And 770 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 1: on the big tech issue, that's one area where people 771 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: keep saying, Okay, well what do we do? And I 772 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: don't have a great answer other than everyone's got to 773 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: understand what this really means. And you know, the answer 774 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: that I had been thinking of was, well, we'll build 775 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: our own stuff. But you got to go a whole 776 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,360 Speaker 1: lot deeper. Now we've seen to build your own stuff 777 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: and actually have it withstand a left wing purge. Yeah, 778 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: I used to say, you know, I get mocked for 779 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 1: saying build your own, you know, build your own institutions, 780 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: build your own platform. I still think you can. I mean, 781 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: Parlour probably would have been somewhat successful on its own, 782 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: even though I think I don't like the echo chamber 783 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: aspect of it. But whatever, you know, it is what 784 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: it is. But now you have, you know, sites purging 785 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: the ability of people to even have a site. And 786 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember a few months ago 787 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,439 Speaker 1: Google Ads threatened to shut down The Federalist because people 788 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: are saying things in their comment section. You essentially are 789 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: given this power to arbitrarily have rules and then pick 790 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: and choose who you want to shut down. I mean, 791 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,359 Speaker 1: I've worked at a number of websites in my life, 792 00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: and policing a comment section is possible. Right, There's always 793 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: gonna be someone saying something, so you could just pick 794 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: any of them and decide you want to shut them down, 795 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: and for any reason. I don't know how to deal 796 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: with that. I think giving government more power and trying 797 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: to you know, empower government to decide what speech should 798 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: look like or fair speech should look like. I think 799 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: that's a dangerous turn as well. You see, the people 800 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: are in government. I wouldn't I don't trust them with 801 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 1: much certainly wouldn't want to trust them with deciding who 802 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: gets free speech and who doesn't or more speech. So 803 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't have a solution for it. 804 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: Also explains to be section section two thirty of the 805 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six Communications Decency Act, whatever it is. Section 806 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: two thirty gives people who run these kinds of you know, 807 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: Facebook and you know all these big internet companies that 808 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: have a platform effect where you can write comments. As 809 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: you said, it means that they're not liable for that. 810 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: But Parlor, according to Amazon, is being taken has been 811 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 1: taken off their servers because of what third part we're 812 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: writing on parlor, you know. So it's that does seem 813 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: highly arbitrary, doesn't it. I mean, if you if the 814 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: whole point is that they're supposed to be this legal protection, 815 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: but then Amazon says, oh, well, even though you got 816 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,840 Speaker 1: this legal protection, you're not doing a good enough job 817 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: of moderating comments that you're not legally You see what 818 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they're acting like a like a shadow 819 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: government on most of the Internet, right, and they have 820 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: these rules, like I think it was Twitter, but I'm 821 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: not exactly sure. I might be wrong that said that. 822 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, we're shutting this down for safety reasons. Now, obviously, 823 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 1: guarding people from speech as a matter of safety is 824 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,760 Speaker 1: the oldest excuse for censorship. It's as oldest censorship itself. 825 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: But the idea that they have some kind of we've 826 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: created this, We've normalized the idea that they have some 827 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,959 Speaker 1: sort of responsibility to keep us safe from words, right, 828 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a dangerous that's a dangerous road to 829 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: go down, I think. And you know, people get mad 830 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: at me, they say, like, at least on Twitter, you know, 831 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: you care more about the speech issue than the Capital riot, 832 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,439 Speaker 1: you know, the insurrection, the armed insurrection and coup in etc. Yeah, 833 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 1: And in some sense, I do, I think that that 834 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: was a terrible and embarrassing moment in American history. But 835 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,839 Speaker 1: I don't think it has any long term effect on 836 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 1: how we live our life, unless, of course Biden passes 837 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: some kind of domestic terrorism Act or some kind of 838 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, intrusive thing like that. But the speech issue 839 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: that is with us now. We've created new norms that 840 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: are with us now moving forward. It's you know, the 841 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: day after Trump gave them an excuse, they've literally shut 842 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: down half of conservative you know, interactions on social media 843 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,720 Speaker 1: just like that. I mean, I've lost a lot of followers. 844 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,799 Speaker 1: I don't know what that's about, but it's clearly some 845 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of coordinated and conservative effort. And also I think 846 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 1: that the the way that the dragnet that they're going 847 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,799 Speaker 1: to be using here so to speak, is going to 848 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: take it. There's so many people who you know, I 849 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,839 Speaker 1: remember even for a while it was like people were 850 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: worried if they were looking at you know, al Qaeda's 851 00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: statements to be terrorism researchers, and they turn out, yeah, 852 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,839 Speaker 1: some of them were getting all of a sudden, they 853 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,839 Speaker 1: were popping up on some radars for people that are 854 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,239 Speaker 1: you know, understanding the you know, the Arabic videos that 855 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 1: would be released by inspiring some of these groups that 856 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,440 Speaker 1: were meant to bring people to geatism. I mean, so 857 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,720 Speaker 1: at this point, if you use hashtag stop the Steal 858 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,279 Speaker 1: and you're mocking it. Let's say, even are people to 859 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: believe that your Twitter account or whatever it's going to 860 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,319 Speaker 1: be safe from I don't think so. I mean, I 861 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,399 Speaker 1: think that they're just they're just nailing people all over 862 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: the place and they don't care. Yeah, I mean, I 863 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 1: don't understand why someone can have the opinion that the 864 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: election was stolen. It's not, it's not it's not even 865 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: hate speech or anything. They think the election was stolen, 866 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: just as most sixty seven percent of Democrats believed about 867 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen. So, like, I don't even understand. I 868 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: do understand. I mean, it's just the pretext to try 869 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: to shut people up and anyone, any journalists, especially, which 870 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,359 Speaker 1: is what they do now most of the time, who 871 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 1: works to shut down the voices of people who is 872 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: excited about shutting down people who they don't like are 873 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,279 Speaker 1: a liberal old people. They are not believers in the 874 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,959 Speaker 1: First Amendment. And just because they through a technicality, can say, 875 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, you don't have the right to say whatever 876 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 1: you want. You can't scream fire in a theater and 877 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 1: that kind of nonsense in a crowded theater, they are illiberal. 878 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that if it's legal or not. In 879 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,400 Speaker 1: my opinion, I don't know if that makes sense. I 880 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 1: just know, man absolutely matter. There's a culture of the 881 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: first rama too. It's not just about the constitutional protection 882 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: from government interference and the law. So I completely agree 883 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,279 Speaker 1: with you, But I've been saying this and a lot 884 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: of journalists got you know, journalists got mad at me. 885 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: The biggest, the biggest advocates these days publicly of suppression 886 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,760 Speaker 1: or free speech are people who make a living based 887 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,759 Speaker 1: on the principle of free speech, which is journalists. And 888 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,400 Speaker 1: I think that should be noted. I mean, there are 889 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,959 Speaker 1: a lot of the biggest censors are people who work 890 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 1: at CNN and work at the New York Times. But 891 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: we gotta leave it there for today. David Harsani, everybody 892 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 1: check out as latest at nationalview dot com. David, thanks 893 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: so much anytime. Thanks for having me