WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Cat's A Wrap 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.160 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:16.720 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is He's Talking 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:21.320 Cowboys training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:32.720 the Star in Frisco, Sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:38.480 Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones, and welcome into Talking Cowboys 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:43.479 inside the BBC Mortgage Studio. Cowboys win thirty seven to 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.559 eighteen on the road, and I feel like we just 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.960 got home, bick because well it just gets silently, just 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:54.040 got home because our mics aren't on. Uh, we're not 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.080 hearing ourselves through our head sales. Just keep fighting. But 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.800 we'll just keep fighting through it, right, just hopefully we're on. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.040 We're on though on the air. There we go, There 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.440 we go. That's why you just gotta keep fighting through us. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.040 Just fight through adversity. As Jason Garrett always says, well, 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.320 there was a lot of adversity last night. To fight 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.720 through two started early. Yeah, speaking of that, we got 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:19.960 a little bit of a line change today on the show, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.959 Rob Phillips and for Bill Jones. Mickey Spagnola is always 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.000 to my right and a special guest today the Great 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:29.640 Barry Church, joining us on the show with Brian out today. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.240 Thanks for joining us, man, We appreciate I know it's 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.920 a late night for you too, probably doing pregame post game. 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.080 You got Covered four this morning. You got Players Lounge 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.640 this week as well. But he didn't have to fly home. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.600 I was asleep about six hours before you guys did. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.400 That was a late night for the guys, but I'm 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.360 sure it's a little bit easier always when you get 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.920 a win like they did. And we'll break it down 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.160 over the next forty five minutes eight eight eight eight, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.400 five five two two nine sevens number if you want 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.520 to give us a call. What times your head hit 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.880 the pillow? Uh? Six six, yeah, And then woke up 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.200 in time for Jerry did his Tuesday hit on the fan. Man, 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.239 you gotta be there for it. You know, the beat 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.919 doesn't stop. And with Jerry there's always a story, right. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.080 Oh yeah. So he remained in New York and he 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.440 was telling the guys that he was staying at the 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:24.040 Saint Regis Hotel, which is an old, you know, elegant 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.720 hotel in New York, and he said, there's a lot 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.280 of times when I have to do a call in 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.480 the morning, they let me into what's called the Old 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.920 King Cole Bar, and if you call it up on 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.360 the internet, it is the most elegant, fancy looking place 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:45.880 you ever seen. Cole Yeah, well maybe, And anyway, he's 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.480 in there doing the show, uh in the morning, and 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.200 they asked him so little brody Mary. He goes, no, 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:58.600 I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with the cafe. He was up, 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.040 you know, he couldn't go to sleep after that game. 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:02.400 He said he was in the mood for more than 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.480 just coffee. But it was a late night. Yeah, and yeah, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.040 now that's exactly what this team needed coming off to 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.919 buy they get to five and three, they're back or 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.720 they remain on top in the division over Philly, who's 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.160 now five and four. And just guys, give me your 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.800 initial thoughts. I mean, this game had everything. Yeah, some 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.400 some weirdness, some bizarreness. We had a cat on the 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:27.640 field which is just sweeping the nation right now, but 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.120 overall Cowboys. You know, once again a slow start, but 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:31.680 they found a way. Barry. Oh, it was definitely a 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.639 slow start. I think it was that the first play 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.360 of the game, he through the interst the game through 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.960 the interception. But I loved how the defense rallied. I 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.720 mean they get to start within the ten yard line. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:43.640 I'm thinking, oh, it's gonna be an easy seven for 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.320 New York. Is gonna be one of those games, one 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.600 of those division games. One it'll slug fest. But the 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.520 defense stepped up and I think they hit him the 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.720 one for five for the whole day in the red zone. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.560 So the defense did a heck of a job there. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:55.720 We saw a lot of from SHAWNA Lee out there. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.720 I mean he looked very impressive to me, at least 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.520 Philadelphi Vanderesh. So, I mean a defense, the beastole the show. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.880 But I love how Dak fought back from that interception, 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.960 rallied the troops. I mean, it was a great display 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.360 of a leadership by him. Yeah, they certainly had a 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:14.080 lot of adversity to overcome. Uh And as Barry said, 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.840 the defense allowed the Cowboys to be able to do 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.760 that the way they played, and you were right, they 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.760 were one in five from the red zone. The Giants 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.559 ended up kicking field goals from the three, the seven, 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:32.200 the eight, and the eleven. That's incredible, right that, you know, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:36.680 they they drove down there, but UH couldn't get you know, 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.320 more than the one touchdown. So credit the defense and 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:44.520 then credit the offense from keeping their composure, you know. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.279 And and you know it's gonna be what's in my 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:53.040 column when I finally finished it after Okay, So this 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.880 is this is this is an indication of how good 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.279 this team can be. When you play that poor really 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.080 for almost a half and then you can win thirty 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:08.360 seven to eighteen. That's rather remarkable that you can turn 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.640 it around like that. And if they you know, we 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.360 thought they finally had figured it out against the Eagles, 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.680 kind of put it together a complete game, and then 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.960 they get off to this false start, you know. And 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.440 Barry mentioned the interception on the first play of the game. Well, 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.880 actually the first play of the game was the kickoff 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.400 that bounced at the ten yard line and Tony Pollard 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.880 catches it as he's stepping out of bounds, and then 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.320 they're starting way back there. So it was one thing 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.560 after another after another, and we see that, right especially, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.479 and that's why they've lost. Yeah, I mean, that's why 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.320 they lost basically three of those games. I mean, Barry 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.320 hit on it. It's kind of that here we go 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:46.800 again feeling, and I think I said to you in 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:48.719 the press box at halftime. This is like the Jets 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:55.240 game over again in terms of just balls dropping through guys, fingers, turnover, sacks, ending, drives. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.560 Everything that they could do to prevent themselves from getting 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:04.000 off to a good start they did, and offensively and penalties. Uh, 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:07.480 Randall Cobbs got to lead the league in touchdowns called 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:13.760 back by another one having that's unbelievable. You know you 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.680 have that, you have drops on a wide open screen 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.840 pass by Pollard. Uh that. You know. We mentioned the 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.560 hold call and Tyrn and I still didn't see it 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.240 again to see if it was real. A whole Sometimes 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.240 he dominates somebody so badly that it looks like a 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.880 hole mercy call. Yeah, And it was just one after 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.240 another after another, and then all of a sudden it's 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.960 halftime and you look up and they're leading thirteen to twelve. 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.919 It's like, how did that happen? So yeah, um, you know, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.160 credit for coming back. But as Jerry was saying on 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.839 a show this morning, you know, we can't keep doing 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.720 that when we end up playing better teams. We're capable 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.279 of playing those teams, but we can't start like that 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.680 and think you're going to recover all the time. Yeah, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.240 that's true. I mean he's right about that. You can't 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.159 go out there against you know, the Patriots of the world, 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.719 Kansas City Chiefs and all those guys and expect to 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.440 hold them the want of five in the red zone. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.200 I mean, that's just not going to happen. Um, and 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.240 those teams are gonna capitalize off of those fumbles. We 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.800 saw that Randall Coop fumble. Um. I don't think it 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.800 was that. The only takeaway from the game. Wells the 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.200 interception lost that fumble. Ye can't turn the ball over 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.840 against a playoff team. So I mentioned to see how 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.320 that dynamical work going forward at this season. Yeah, because 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.679 what's the mindset as a player when you guys feel 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:35.120 like you're probably more talented than another team, But it's 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.240 the constant shooting yourself in the foot thing? I mean, 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.280 is it? How do you how do you rationalize that? 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.120 How do you get past it? I guess is the question. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.520 Because they the Philly game before the bye, that was 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.760 a complete football game. That was the best I think 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.800 we'd seen them all season. And I don't I didn't. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.440 I didn't feel notice disappointment necessarily from the offensive side 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.320 of the ball. But I think that, you know, because 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.760 it felt like they were getting what they wanted offensively, 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:03.200 Zeke Elliott, offensive line dominated up front. But when you're 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.520 not able to cash in, how frustrating is they get? 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.240 As a player, Oh, it's frustrating, especially on the defensive 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.120 side of the ball, when you're playing your butts off, 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:11.880 you're holding them in the red zone like that, and 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.200 you see your offense is just dominating. I mean these 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.000 holes that Zeke were running through, I mean I could 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:17.840 probably fit through a couple of those holes. I mean, 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.320 but it's frustrating as a defensive player. I know that. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.200 But you know, the offense was able to rally in 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:24.960 a second half. They were able to make adjustments that 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:26.800 they needed to make, And I feel like New York 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.040 never throughout the whole game. I feel like the Cowboys 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.599 just impose their will on a New York, especially offensively 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.880 and defensively. But offensively, I feel like they imposed it will, 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.360 especially in a run game. So if they can continue 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.280 to doing that and continue scoring points, I mean, it's 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.080 not gonna be that frustrating for this defense. You know, 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.520 I was laughing. So before the game, I talked with 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.160 a friend of mine that covers the Giants, and he said, oh, 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.360 he goes the Cowboys will score however many points they 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.800 want to score. It goes in. It just happened. And 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.440 I'm sitting there at halftime and it's thirteen to twelve, 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.640 and I'm going, Okay, this maybe not was accurate, right 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.679 because they're not going to score as many and then 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:07.200 all of a sudden they turn it on and uh boy, 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:11.520 you're right on the offensive line played so well. Um, 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.840 you know, another game, Dak doesn't get sacked. I know 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.640 he had to use his legs to get out of 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.680 trouble a couple of times, but still no sacks. And 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.200 you can almost watch him in the pocket when he 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.520 sets up and he's looking around and you're going, okay, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.920 he's got something here. You know, you don't even need 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.400 to look downfield. It's you could tell his his his 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.720 position in the pocket and how he's holding himself. That's like, okay, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.000 he's got a pass coming up. And that's what happened 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.800 on that touchdown to Cooper. They had they had to 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.080 blow that coverage right then. Oh yeah, I mean the 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.400 corner would lack acted like he was in zones and 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.640 everybody else was everybody was a man and that in 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.600 that play. I mean, I'm not I'm surprised New York 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.560 didn't see that coming. I mean, that's a staple of 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.959 Garrett's offense. I know he's not the OC anymore, but 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.440 that big time dagger, h yeah, big time dig route 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.199 about fifteen to twenty yards deep. That's on the main say, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.800 since I've been playing here, like, did you know that's 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.040 coming as the guy to have it play? And but um, 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:05.960 you said it right when Dak was back there, his 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.080 command and just his composure back there, he knew he 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.400 had to play open and he threw a strike right 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.480 down the middle to a Cooper then he finished the rest. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.800 So I mean, his composure in the pocket was outstanding. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.440 This game has been pretty much all season. So let's 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.600 go back to that first interception. Did the safety do 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.920 you think Dak did the safety full dack or did 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.320 Dak not see where the safety came down into them. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:26.800 I don't think he saw him. I mean I think 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.079 he you know, he saw a kind of open grass 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.040 over there and saw that slant kind of open. But 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:32.920 I think but they did a good job of kind 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.720 of tatting in the weeds because he was the whole 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.040 time because he was like right, I think he was 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.959 a yard scripts almost right. I just don't think he 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.480 saw him behind those bohemous and he made a good play. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:44.800 I mean, how goes off to him. He made a 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.480 good play. But our defense once the game was able 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.520 to rally and the Cowboys safety said, we don't need 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:56.840 no jamal animal, Xavier woods right at by him. He 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.040 had a heck of a game out there. And the 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.199 further interception that he had I loved how it was 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:02.400 a great play by him. He was in the mid 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.360 center of center field, played it great. But I loved 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.120 how Woozier was able to funnel the receiver into his 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.480 help at the post safety spot. You know a lot 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.240 of the times you see those deep fade balls going 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.679 out outside near the sidelines, and you know the safety 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.640 can't really do anything over there. But he was able 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.800 to funnel him to the numbers, which any good safety 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.800 back there should be able to center field between the numbers. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:22.440 He did a great job of funneling them in there. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.840 Xavier made the great pick got him back in field 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.520 goal range. I mean, it was a heck of a play. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.800 And then you saw how he laid the lumber on 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.520 young Danny Dimes over there later on in the game. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.400 I mean he came to play. When you guys, when 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.960 you played a rookie quarterback in the past, is the 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.520 mindset if we just continued to hit him and pressure him, eventually, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.640 there's gonna be mistakes, man, because I think he think 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.920 he had about thirteen turnovers going into the game, and 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.880 he hadn't played a full season either. Oh yeah, he's 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:48.360 been Yeah, I think he's tied for most in the 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.679 league with seven fumbles or something. Yeah, but yeah, when 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.079 you're playing a young guy like that, you gotta kind 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:54.920 of lick your chops. You know, that defensive line was 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.320 getting after him if they can disguise their coverage because 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.440 you know, he hasn't seen everything. He's not a Tim 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.959 Brady's not Aaron Riders who have seen every defense out there. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.520 So if you're able to disguise your coverages and get 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.120 him off his first read, you should be able to 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.080 eat out there. And I always were able to. You know, 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.480 it's almost like a boxing match, right, you keep throwing 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.080 body shots, sooner or later the head falls. You keep 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.520 hitting him and his head starts coming down. Uh, and 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.920 that's what they should have done, Sam Darnald. That's it. 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:27.200 I agree. Third the third play, their third defensive play 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.920 of the game, they blitzed Heath with oh yeah in 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.280 the goal line there. That's what they should have been 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.680 doing against Sam Darnald, you know. And they blitzed a 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.040 lot more than I think we've seen them blitz this year. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.079 I mean, they had Jalen Smith in there blitzing or 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:40.800 rushing off the edge, and like you said, Heath was 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.400 in there off the air, so they confused them a 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.240 little bit out there, and they had them kind of 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.200 with happy feedback there not knowing where it was coming, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:47.520 and he was just kind of I gotta get rid 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.120 of it. And now they ate a great job of that. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.000 And I agree they shtood dom that against Sam Donald. 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.440 Were you guys surprised and maybe I shouldn't be surprised, 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.520 Michael Bennett, I think it's forty three snaps in the game. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.400 I was getting ready to print it out and that 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.600 I forgot. I think. I mean, he played a good 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.360 number of snaps, right, and I mean you could argue 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.960 he had as much impact rushing the passers d Law 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.800 or Robert coinnin the game what'd you see from him? Barry? 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.160 I was really impressed. I Mean I knew coming into 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.439 the game he had a high energy, high motor type guy. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:15.840 So I knew Rod was going to fall in love 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:17.480 with that, because you know, if he doesn't loaf out there, 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.400 you're one of Rod's guys right there. So I knew 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.520 he had an advantage from that point. But the way 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.560 he just continued to motor through and then have that 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.160 interior pressure that we've been missing out on all season 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.360 was key for me. I mean, he was getting after 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:29.800 the quarterback and I think he had a sack in 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.520 that game as well, So I mean his presence was known. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.400 I mean he was getting under the skin of Will 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.520 Hernandez out there. I mean he was just his energy 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.240 out there. You could see it. I mean everybody was 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.360 kind of just rallying around him. Every play he made 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.120 or every play somebody else made, he was all around it. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.120 The juice was heavy, so I think he kind of 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.880 brought that extra momentum, that juice to the defense that 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.400 they needed, and the capitalized off it and they fed 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.480 off of it. He had three tackles, one sack, two 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.560 tackles for losses, and four quarterback hits impressed. He would 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.760 have had another one if he didn't get called for 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.760 finding up in the neutral zone. Yeah, which I would 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.800 like to go back and see because the well, if 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.640 the TV line was actively his hand was right on 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.839 the line. It wasn't like he jumped past it. It's like, 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.600 what are you looking at? Did that extend to drive? Yes, 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.960 that was a third That was a third down, I 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.120 believe if I remember correctly, it was early Yeah, that 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:25.000 was the Lattimer touchdown. Drive off sides, yeah, yeah, early 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.080 second quarter. But overall he had a couple of defensive 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.800 off sides. But but it's effort, you're right, motive effort man. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.400 And even when he got blocked, he just keeps pushing 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.160 and pushing and pushing. And he's not the biggest guy. 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:41.840 I mean, he's two seventy two seventy five, um. But yeah, 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.000 and I was surprised they used him as much a 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.360 defensive end also, so they they subbed him in there 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.640 for Lawrence quite a bit, actually left defensive defensive end. 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.160 And you saw him too, and d law will do 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.600 it too. But that why where he's almost like a 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.080 five technique I guess, I mean where he loves doing that. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.640 We see him do that in the pass where he 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.320 can kind of use that space to get to the quarterback. Um, 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.560 you know, maybe I should be surprised. I mean, he's 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.920 familiar with the scheme Chris Chard, and he's been playing. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.280 It's not like he's not in shape, but it looks 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.000 like exactly. I mean, it was basically watching what Tyrone 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.520 Crawford gives his defense when he's healthy, and I think 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.120 this Scots might be even better at what you know, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.600 it's Tyrone was great, but this guy's i think at 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.720 a different level his pass rush at least anyway he 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.840 really comes And like I said, all he needed to 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.480 know is there's the quarterback. You're supposed to go get him. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.880 You know. In a couple of times they got theirselves 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.120 in trouble. They were too aggressive when they ran those 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:42.200 misdirection plays and the rounds and you know, they were 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:46.040 all crashing in towards the quarterback and wide open spaces. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:50.000 But having said all that, the Giants only scored eighteen points. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.920 I mean, that's that's just unbelievable to me. And and 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.520 and the turning point of the game was that kind 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.200 of fifty It was like a minute in five seconds 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.520 where uh they ended up with the Blake Jarwin touchdown 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:09.200 that might have been two yards and the street continues 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:14.720 for Blake Jarwin. He's got six touchdowns, five gets the Giants. 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.000 He could just play the Giants every time, but he 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:21.760 scores the the The Giants get the ball back with 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.680 like fifty two seconds, and I'm sitting there going, Okay, 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.160 you gotta lead. It's twelve to ten. Don't get fancy here, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.080 and on third down at the twenty six, they're gonna 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.120 throw a bomb. That didn't understand it at all. What 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.440 are you thinking about, right, and just chucked it up 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.680 in the double coverage for a team that had only 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.480 scored ten with three points, you gave up ten in 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.400 a minute, and yeah, fifty two. I was a huge 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.000 momentum ship. I didn't understand that. Maybe they thought, you know, 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.960 we can get some points before half, but the way 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.760 your offense was going that whole game, I just don't 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.120 think that would have been a smart move. I think 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.400 you just ran a clock out and winning the halftime. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.520 But godboys took advantage of it, so that that was 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.520 a huge turnaround in the game. Um. And then the 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.240 other big turnaround is when the black cat came right, 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.720 Because you ever seen something like that. Even I've seen, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.399 you know, birds maybe on the field or something, or 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.760 a squirrel, but I don't know if I've ever seen 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.560 a black cat, right, and a healthy black cat. Oh yeah, 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.880 he was junk. He was eating good. Yeah. Yeah, that's 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.200 a starved stray. This dude was living in the stadium. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.240 That was no accident. He's just a stray off the 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.359 you know, out of the swamps in the meadowlands there. 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.960 That was somebody's pet. Oh yeah, well you guys were 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.840 it was was the Was the cat on there during play? 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.640 Oh yeah? Oh yeah, because they were the Giants were 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.439 going to our left. The cat was in the end 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.600 zone at the right, and he's screwing around there. And 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.800 Jason said this morning, he finally told the official in 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.679 front of him, he goes, how much longer are we 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.679 gonna do this with the cat on the field? You know, 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.280 I don't even know if they were aware, Well, they 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.000 weren't aware of a lot of things, and I guess 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.879 they wouldn't have seen a cat too. Uh. And Jerry 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.160 said this morning, he goes, out was a scary looking 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.040 cat too, Yeah, especially when they had the close up 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.199 out o space. He was ready to play. Yeah, but 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:11.840 I don't know if I've seen a cat come on 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.679 the field like that. That was that was different, especially 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.480 since it was wandering around before they decided to stop play. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.280 But anyway, I think it was seven plays later. You know, 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.680 they they they're up twelve to three. They went on 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.920 a ten nothing run after MetLife catman. Well actually they 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.760 they and then they and then after that they ended 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.320 up out scoring him thirty four to to six. Right, 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.119 thirty four to six. That's unbelievable. So, you know, I 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.040 thought they brought the cat out to kind of jinks 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.000 the Cowboys, and it's like you think they brought it 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.320 out kind of jinx themselves. I don't know if they 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.680 brought him out, but I'll mean, where did that cat 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.119 come from? He had to come down through the tunnel 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:54.439 to see him. Guy was checking my bad check the 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.840 cat's badge. I was trying to think, Verry, like, in 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.840 all the years you've been here, was there anything close 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.560 to that on the just weirdness on the field. I 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.800 don't know. And my nine years of playing, I've never 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.960 seen anything like an animal come in. I've never seen 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.879 a streak or anything like that. I mean, it's that 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.280 was pretty awesome. You know what happens in baseball a lot. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.080 I think you know, you end up running around after something, 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:16.760 you make a fool of yourself because you ain't kind 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.280 of catch the cat. Well, that's what I was yelling 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.240 the press. Somebody just pick it up. Yeah, but I 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:27.000