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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco, Sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones, and welcome into Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: inside the BBC Mortgage Studio. Cowboys win thirty seven to
Speaker 1: eighteen on the road, and I feel like we just
Speaker 1: got home, bick because well it just gets silently, just
Speaker 1: got home because our mics aren't on. Uh, we're not
Speaker 1: hearing ourselves through our head sales. Just keep fighting. But
Speaker 1: we'll just keep fighting through it, right, just hopefully we're on.
Speaker 1: We're on though on the air. There we go, There
Speaker 1: we go. That's why you just gotta keep fighting through us.
Speaker 1: Just fight through adversity. As Jason Garrett always says, well,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of adversity last night. To fight
Speaker 1: through two started early. Yeah, speaking of that, we got
Speaker 1: a little bit of a line change today on the show,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and for Bill Jones. Mickey Spagnola is always
Speaker 1: to my right and a special guest today the Great
Speaker 1: Barry Church, joining us on the show with Brian out today.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, man, We appreciate I know it's
Speaker 1: a late night for you too, probably doing pregame post game.
Speaker 1: You got Covered four this morning. You got Players Lounge
Speaker 1: this week as well. But he didn't have to fly home.
Speaker 1: I was asleep about six hours before you guys did.
Speaker 1: That was a late night for the guys, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's a little bit easier always when you get
Speaker 1: a win like they did. And we'll break it down
Speaker 1: over the next forty five minutes eight eight eight eight,
Speaker 1: five five two two nine sevens number if you want
Speaker 1: to give us a call. What times your head hit
Speaker 1: the pillow? Uh? Six six, yeah, And then woke up
Speaker 1: in time for Jerry did his Tuesday hit on the fan. Man,
Speaker 1: you gotta be there for it. You know, the beat
Speaker 1: doesn't stop. And with Jerry there's always a story, right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So he remained in New York and he
Speaker 1: was telling the guys that he was staying at the
Speaker 1: Saint Regis Hotel, which is an old, you know, elegant
Speaker 1: hotel in New York, and he said, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of times when I have to do a call in
Speaker 1: the morning, they let me into what's called the Old
Speaker 1: King Cole Bar, and if you call it up on
Speaker 1: the internet, it is the most elegant, fancy looking place
Speaker 1: you ever seen. Cole Yeah, well maybe, And anyway, he's
Speaker 1: in there doing the show, uh in the morning, and
Speaker 1: they asked him so little brody Mary. He goes, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with the cafe. He was up,
Speaker 1: you know, he couldn't go to sleep after that game.
Speaker 1: He said he was in the mood for more than
Speaker 1: just coffee. But it was a late night. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: now that's exactly what this team needed coming off to
Speaker 1: buy they get to five and three, they're back or
Speaker 1: they remain on top in the division over Philly, who's
Speaker 1: now five and four. And just guys, give me your
Speaker 1: initial thoughts. I mean, this game had everything. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: some weirdness, some bizarreness. We had a cat on the
Speaker 1: field which is just sweeping the nation right now, but
Speaker 1: overall Cowboys. You know, once again a slow start, but
Speaker 1: they found a way. Barry. Oh, it was definitely a
Speaker 1: slow start. I think it was that the first play
Speaker 1: of the game, he through the interst the game through
Speaker 1: the interception. But I loved how the defense rallied. I
Speaker 1: mean they get to start within the ten yard line.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, it's gonna be an easy seven for
Speaker 1: New York. Is gonna be one of those games, one
Speaker 1: of those division games. One it'll slug fest. But the
Speaker 1: defense stepped up and I think they hit him the
Speaker 1: one for five for the whole day in the red zone.
Speaker 1: So the defense did a heck of a job there.
Speaker 1: We saw a lot of from SHAWNA Lee out there.
Speaker 1: I mean he looked very impressive to me, at least
Speaker 1: Philadelphi Vanderesh. So, I mean a defense, the beastole the show.
Speaker 1: But I love how Dak fought back from that interception,
Speaker 1: rallied the troops. I mean, it was a great display
Speaker 1: of a leadership by him. Yeah, they certainly had a
Speaker 1: lot of adversity to overcome. Uh And as Barry said,
Speaker 1: the defense allowed the Cowboys to be able to do
Speaker 1: that the way they played, and you were right, they
Speaker 1: were one in five from the red zone. The Giants
Speaker 1: ended up kicking field goals from the three, the seven,
Speaker 1: the eight, and the eleven. That's incredible, right that, you know,
Speaker 1: they they drove down there, but UH couldn't get you know,
Speaker 1: more than the one touchdown. So credit the defense and
Speaker 1: then credit the offense from keeping their composure, you know.
Speaker 1: And and you know it's gonna be what's in my
Speaker 1: column when I finally finished it after Okay, So this
Speaker 1: is this is this is an indication of how good
Speaker 1: this team can be. When you play that poor really
Speaker 1: for almost a half and then you can win thirty
Speaker 1: seven to eighteen. That's rather remarkable that you can turn
Speaker 1: it around like that. And if they you know, we
Speaker 1: thought they finally had figured it out against the Eagles,
Speaker 1: kind of put it together a complete game, and then
Speaker 1: they get off to this false start, you know. And
Speaker 1: Barry mentioned the interception on the first play of the game. Well,
Speaker 1: actually the first play of the game was the kickoff
Speaker 1: that bounced at the ten yard line and Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: catches it as he's stepping out of bounds, and then
Speaker 1: they're starting way back there. So it was one thing
Speaker 1: after another after another, and we see that, right especially,
Speaker 1: and that's why they've lost. Yeah, I mean, that's why
Speaker 1: they lost basically three of those games. I mean, Barry
Speaker 1: hit on it. It's kind of that here we go
Speaker 1: again feeling, and I think I said to you in
Speaker 1: the press box at halftime. This is like the Jets
Speaker 1: game over again in terms of just balls dropping through guys, fingers, turnover, sacks, ending, drives.
Speaker 1: Everything that they could do to prevent themselves from getting
Speaker 1: off to a good start they did, and offensively and penalties. Uh,
Speaker 1: Randall Cobbs got to lead the league in touchdowns called
Speaker 1: back by another one having that's unbelievable. You know you
Speaker 1: have that, you have drops on a wide open screen
Speaker 1: pass by Pollard. Uh that. You know. We mentioned the
Speaker 1: hold call and Tyrn and I still didn't see it
Speaker 1: again to see if it was real. A whole Sometimes
Speaker 1: he dominates somebody so badly that it looks like a
Speaker 1: hole mercy call. Yeah, And it was just one after
Speaker 1: another after another, and then all of a sudden it's
Speaker 1: halftime and you look up and they're leading thirteen to twelve.
Speaker 1: It's like, how did that happen? So yeah, um, you know,
Speaker 1: credit for coming back. But as Jerry was saying on
Speaker 1: a show this morning, you know, we can't keep doing
Speaker 1: that when we end up playing better teams. We're capable
Speaker 1: of playing those teams, but we can't start like that
Speaker 1: and think you're going to recover all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. I mean he's right about that. You can't
Speaker 1: go out there against you know, the Patriots of the world,
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs and all those guys and expect to
Speaker 1: hold them the want of five in the red zone.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just not going to happen. Um, and
Speaker 1: those teams are gonna capitalize off of those fumbles. We
Speaker 1: saw that Randall Coop fumble. Um. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was that. The only takeaway from the game. Wells the
Speaker 1: interception lost that fumble. Ye can't turn the ball over
Speaker 1: against a playoff team. So I mentioned to see how
Speaker 1: that dynamical work going forward at this season. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: what's the mindset as a player when you guys feel
Speaker 1: like you're probably more talented than another team, But it's
Speaker 1: the constant shooting yourself in the foot thing? I mean,
Speaker 1: is it? How do you how do you rationalize that?
Speaker 1: How do you get past it? I guess is the question.
Speaker 1: Because they the Philly game before the bye, that was
Speaker 1: a complete football game. That was the best I think
Speaker 1: we'd seen them all season. And I don't I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel notice disappointment necessarily from the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. But I think that, you know, because
Speaker 1: it felt like they were getting what they wanted offensively,
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott, offensive line dominated up front. But when you're
Speaker 1: not able to cash in, how frustrating is they get?
Speaker 1: As a player, Oh, it's frustrating, especially on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, when you're playing your butts off,
Speaker 1: you're holding them in the red zone like that, and
Speaker 1: you see your offense is just dominating. I mean these
Speaker 1: holes that Zeke were running through, I mean I could
Speaker 1: probably fit through a couple of those holes. I mean,
Speaker 1: but it's frustrating as a defensive player. I know that.
Speaker 1: But you know, the offense was able to rally in
Speaker 1: a second half. They were able to make adjustments that
Speaker 1: they needed to make, And I feel like New York
Speaker 1: never throughout the whole game. I feel like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: just impose their will on a New York, especially offensively
Speaker 1: and defensively. But offensively, I feel like they imposed it will,
Speaker 1: especially in a run game. So if they can continue
Speaker 1: to doing that and continue scoring points, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be that frustrating for this defense. You know,
Speaker 1: I was laughing. So before the game, I talked with
Speaker 1: a friend of mine that covers the Giants, and he said, oh,
Speaker 1: he goes the Cowboys will score however many points they
Speaker 1: want to score. It goes in. It just happened. And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there at halftime and it's thirteen to twelve,
Speaker 1: and I'm going, Okay, this maybe not was accurate, right
Speaker 1: because they're not going to score as many and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they turn it on and uh boy,
Speaker 1: you're right on the offensive line played so well. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, another game, Dak doesn't get sacked. I know
Speaker 1: he had to use his legs to get out of
Speaker 1: trouble a couple of times, but still no sacks. And
Speaker 1: you can almost watch him in the pocket when he
Speaker 1: sets up and he's looking around and you're going, okay,
Speaker 1: he's got something here. You know, you don't even need
Speaker 1: to look downfield. It's you could tell his his his
Speaker 1: position in the pocket and how he's holding himself. That's like, okay,
Speaker 1: he's got a pass coming up. And that's what happened
Speaker 1: on that touchdown to Cooper. They had they had to
Speaker 1: blow that coverage right then. Oh yeah, I mean the
Speaker 1: corner would lack acted like he was in zones and
Speaker 1: everybody else was everybody was a man and that in
Speaker 1: that play. I mean, I'm not I'm surprised New York
Speaker 1: didn't see that coming. I mean, that's a staple of
Speaker 1: Garrett's offense. I know he's not the OC anymore, but
Speaker 1: that big time dagger, h yeah, big time dig route
Speaker 1: about fifteen to twenty yards deep. That's on the main say,
Speaker 1: since I've been playing here, like, did you know that's
Speaker 1: coming as the guy to have it play? And but um,
Speaker 1: you said it right when Dak was back there, his
Speaker 1: command and just his composure back there, he knew he
Speaker 1: had to play open and he threw a strike right
Speaker 1: down the middle to a Cooper then he finished the rest.
Speaker 1: So I mean, his composure in the pocket was outstanding.
Speaker 1: This game has been pretty much all season. So let's
Speaker 1: go back to that first interception. Did the safety do
Speaker 1: you think Dak did the safety full dack or did
Speaker 1: Dak not see where the safety came down into them.
Speaker 1: I don't think he saw him. I mean I think
Speaker 1: he you know, he saw a kind of open grass
Speaker 1: over there and saw that slant kind of open. But
Speaker 1: I think but they did a good job of kind
Speaker 1: of tatting in the weeds because he was the whole
Speaker 1: time because he was like right, I think he was
Speaker 1: a yard scripts almost right. I just don't think he
Speaker 1: saw him behind those bohemous and he made a good play.
Speaker 1: I mean, how goes off to him. He made a
Speaker 1: good play. But our defense once the game was able
Speaker 1: to rally and the Cowboys safety said, we don't need
Speaker 1: no jamal animal, Xavier woods right at by him. He
Speaker 1: had a heck of a game out there. And the
Speaker 1: further interception that he had I loved how it was
Speaker 1: a great play by him. He was in the mid
Speaker 1: center of center field, played it great. But I loved
Speaker 1: how Woozier was able to funnel the receiver into his
Speaker 1: help at the post safety spot. You know a lot
Speaker 1: of the times you see those deep fade balls going
Speaker 1: out outside near the sidelines, and you know the safety
Speaker 1: can't really do anything over there. But he was able
Speaker 1: to funnel him to the numbers, which any good safety
Speaker 1: back there should be able to center field between the numbers.
Speaker 1: He did a great job of funneling them in there.
Speaker 1: Xavier made the great pick got him back in field
Speaker 1: goal range. I mean, it was a heck of a play.
Speaker 1: And then you saw how he laid the lumber on
Speaker 1: young Danny Dimes over there later on in the game.
Speaker 1: I mean he came to play. When you guys, when
Speaker 1: you played a rookie quarterback in the past, is the
Speaker 1: mindset if we just continued to hit him and pressure him, eventually,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be mistakes, man, because I think he think
Speaker 1: he had about thirteen turnovers going into the game, and
Speaker 1: he hadn't played a full season either. Oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: been Yeah, I think he's tied for most in the
Speaker 1: league with seven fumbles or something. Yeah, but yeah, when
Speaker 1: you're playing a young guy like that, you gotta kind
Speaker 1: of lick your chops. You know, that defensive line was
Speaker 1: getting after him if they can disguise their coverage because
Speaker 1: you know, he hasn't seen everything. He's not a Tim
Speaker 1: Brady's not Aaron Riders who have seen every defense out there.
Speaker 1: So if you're able to disguise your coverages and get
Speaker 1: him off his first read, you should be able to
Speaker 1: eat out there. And I always were able to. You know,
Speaker 1: it's almost like a boxing match, right, you keep throwing
Speaker 1: body shots, sooner or later the head falls. You keep
Speaker 1: hitting him and his head starts coming down. Uh, and
Speaker 1: that's what they should have done, Sam Darnald. That's it.
Speaker 1: I agree. Third the third play, their third defensive play
Speaker 1: of the game, they blitzed Heath with oh yeah in
Speaker 1: the goal line there. That's what they should have been
Speaker 1: doing against Sam Darnald, you know. And they blitzed a
Speaker 1: lot more than I think we've seen them blitz this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, they had Jalen Smith in there blitzing or
Speaker 1: rushing off the edge, and like you said, Heath was
Speaker 1: in there off the air, so they confused them a
Speaker 1: little bit out there, and they had them kind of
Speaker 1: with happy feedback there not knowing where it was coming,
Speaker 1: and he was just kind of I gotta get rid
Speaker 1: of it. And now they ate a great job of that.
Speaker 1: And I agree they shtood dom that against Sam Donald.
Speaker 1: Were you guys surprised and maybe I shouldn't be surprised,
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett, I think it's forty three snaps in the game.
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to print it out and that
Speaker 1: I forgot. I think. I mean, he played a good
Speaker 1: number of snaps, right, and I mean you could argue
Speaker 1: he had as much impact rushing the passers d Law
Speaker 1: or Robert coinnin the game what'd you see from him? Barry?
Speaker 1: I was really impressed. I Mean I knew coming into
Speaker 1: the game he had a high energy, high motor type guy.
Speaker 1: So I knew Rod was going to fall in love
Speaker 1: with that, because you know, if he doesn't loaf out there,
Speaker 1: you're one of Rod's guys right there. So I knew
Speaker 1: he had an advantage from that point. But the way
Speaker 1: he just continued to motor through and then have that
Speaker 1: interior pressure that we've been missing out on all season
Speaker 1: was key for me. I mean, he was getting after
Speaker 1: the quarterback and I think he had a sack in
Speaker 1: that game as well, So I mean his presence was known.
Speaker 1: I mean he was getting under the skin of Will
Speaker 1: Hernandez out there. I mean he was just his energy
Speaker 1: out there. You could see it. I mean everybody was
Speaker 1: kind of just rallying around him. Every play he made
Speaker 1: or every play somebody else made, he was all around it.
Speaker 1: The juice was heavy, so I think he kind of
Speaker 1: brought that extra momentum, that juice to the defense that
Speaker 1: they needed, and the capitalized off it and they fed
Speaker 1: off of it. He had three tackles, one sack, two
Speaker 1: tackles for losses, and four quarterback hits impressed. He would
Speaker 1: have had another one if he didn't get called for
Speaker 1: finding up in the neutral zone. Yeah, which I would
Speaker 1: like to go back and see because the well, if
Speaker 1: the TV line was actively his hand was right on
Speaker 1: the line. It wasn't like he jumped past it. It's like,
Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Did that extend to drive? Yes,
Speaker 1: that was a third That was a third down, I
Speaker 1: believe if I remember correctly, it was early Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the Lattimer touchdown. Drive off sides, yeah, yeah, early
Speaker 1: second quarter. But overall he had a couple of defensive
Speaker 1: off sides. But but it's effort, you're right, motive effort man.
Speaker 1: And even when he got blocked, he just keeps pushing
Speaker 1: and pushing and pushing. And he's not the biggest guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's two seventy two seventy five, um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was surprised they used him as much a
Speaker 1: defensive end also, so they they subbed him in there
Speaker 1: for Lawrence quite a bit, actually left defensive defensive end.
Speaker 1: And you saw him too, and d law will do
Speaker 1: it too. But that why where he's almost like a
Speaker 1: five technique I guess, I mean where he loves doing that.
Speaker 1: We see him do that in the pass where he
Speaker 1: can kind of use that space to get to the quarterback. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I should be surprised. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: familiar with the scheme Chris Chard, and he's been playing.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's not in shape, but it looks
Speaker 1: like exactly. I mean, it was basically watching what Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford gives his defense when he's healthy, and I think
Speaker 1: this Scots might be even better at what you know,
Speaker 1: it's Tyrone was great, but this guy's i think at
Speaker 1: a different level his pass rush at least anyway he
Speaker 1: really comes And like I said, all he needed to
Speaker 1: know is there's the quarterback. You're supposed to go get him.
Speaker 1: You know. In a couple of times they got theirselves
Speaker 1: in trouble. They were too aggressive when they ran those
Speaker 1: misdirection plays and the rounds and you know, they were
Speaker 1: all crashing in towards the quarterback and wide open spaces.
Speaker 1: But having said all that, the Giants only scored eighteen points.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just unbelievable to me. And and
Speaker 1: and the turning point of the game was that kind
Speaker 1: of fifty It was like a minute in five seconds
Speaker 1: where uh they ended up with the Blake Jarwin touchdown
Speaker 1: that might have been two yards and the street continues
Speaker 1: for Blake Jarwin. He's got six touchdowns, five gets the Giants.
Speaker 1: He could just play the Giants every time, but he
Speaker 1: scores the the The Giants get the ball back with
Speaker 1: like fifty two seconds, and I'm sitting there going, Okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta lead. It's twelve to ten. Don't get fancy here,
Speaker 1: and on third down at the twenty six, they're gonna
Speaker 1: throw a bomb. That didn't understand it at all. What
Speaker 1: are you thinking about, right, and just chucked it up
Speaker 1: in the double coverage for a team that had only
Speaker 1: scored ten with three points, you gave up ten in
Speaker 1: a minute, and yeah, fifty two. I was a huge
Speaker 1: momentum ship. I didn't understand that. Maybe they thought, you know,
Speaker 1: we can get some points before half, but the way
Speaker 1: your offense was going that whole game, I just don't
Speaker 1: think that would have been a smart move. I think
Speaker 1: you just ran a clock out and winning the halftime.
Speaker 1: But godboys took advantage of it, so that that was
Speaker 1: a huge turnaround in the game. Um. And then the
Speaker 1: other big turnaround is when the black cat came right,
Speaker 1: Because you ever seen something like that. Even I've seen,
Speaker 1: you know, birds maybe on the field or something, or
Speaker 1: a squirrel, but I don't know if I've ever seen
Speaker 1: a black cat, right, and a healthy black cat. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he was junk. He was eating good. Yeah. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a starved stray. This dude was living in the stadium.
Speaker 1: That was no accident. He's just a stray off the
Speaker 1: you know, out of the swamps in the meadowlands there.
Speaker 1: That was somebody's pet. Oh yeah, well you guys were
Speaker 1: it was was the Was the cat on there during play?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Oh yeah, because they were the Giants were
Speaker 1: going to our left. The cat was in the end
Speaker 1: zone at the right, and he's screwing around there. And
Speaker 1: Jason said this morning, he finally told the official in
Speaker 1: front of him, he goes, how much longer are we
Speaker 1: gonna do this with the cat on the field? You know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they were aware, Well, they
Speaker 1: weren't aware of a lot of things, and I guess
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have seen a cat too. Uh. And Jerry
Speaker 1: said this morning, he goes, out was a scary looking
Speaker 1: cat too, Yeah, especially when they had the close up
Speaker 1: out o space. He was ready to play. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen a cat come on
Speaker 1: the field like that. That was that was different, especially
Speaker 1: since it was wandering around before they decided to stop play.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I think it was seven plays later. You know,
Speaker 1: they they they're up twelve to three. They went on
Speaker 1: a ten nothing run after MetLife catman. Well actually they
Speaker 1: they and then they and then after that they ended
Speaker 1: up out scoring him thirty four to to six. Right,
Speaker 1: thirty four to six. That's unbelievable. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought they brought the cat out to kind of jinks
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and it's like you think they brought it
Speaker 1: out kind of jinx themselves. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: brought him out, but I'll mean, where did that cat
Speaker 1: come from? He had to come down through the tunnel
Speaker 1: to see him. Guy was checking my bad check the
Speaker 1: cat's badge. I was trying to think, Verry, like, in
Speaker 1: all the years you've been here, was there anything close
Speaker 1: to that on the just weirdness on the field. I
Speaker 1: don't know. And my nine years of playing, I've never
Speaker 1: seen anything like an animal come in. I've never seen
Speaker 1: a streak or anything like that. I mean, it's that
Speaker 1: was pretty awesome. You know what happens in baseball a lot.
Speaker 1: I think you know, you end up running around after something,
Speaker 1: you make a fool of yourself because you ain't kind
Speaker 1: of catch the cat. Well, that's what I was yelling
Speaker 1: the press. Somebody just pick it up. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: guess that's in front of six thousand people in national TV.
Speaker 1: When that cat starts dark, you got no shot at all, Right,
Speaker 1: you're just kind of hoping to kind of encourage them
Speaker 1: to kind of move towards one over here. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Did you hear the Kevin Harlan call? Yes? I did
Speaker 1: on Westwood one. Ye, that was incredible. He did play
Speaker 1: by play based the cat as well, because some kind
Speaker 1: of rest not seeing stuff. What were you guys thoughts
Speaker 1: on those past interference calls or no, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: they got any of them, right, Yeah, it was it
Speaker 1: was rough, rough for them, Like the rest of what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it was rough. It was Shermer. He challenged
Speaker 1: one no call, right, the one with Ingram. I believe
Speaker 1: with Ingram, and I think it's just reached a point now.
Speaker 1: I don't coaches just maybe resigned to the fact that
Speaker 1: if it's not Saints Rams, it's not being over to,
Speaker 1: it's got to be oblivious. Yeah, for them to do that,
Speaker 1: I mean because if you if you do it in
Speaker 1: slow motion, everything looks like passing their friends if you
Speaker 1: do it in slow motion. But um, that one on Ingram,
Speaker 1: I thought, I think he got there a little early,
Speaker 1: but because he kind of came through his back he
Speaker 1: did right. Now. I know he reached over and got
Speaker 1: the ball, but he kind of came through his back
Speaker 1: to get there. Um. Now, the one on the one
Speaker 1: they called, the one they called with the guy Baker,
Speaker 1: I believe they was Baker on Cooper. You know, he
Speaker 1: was kind of holding him back. He had his arm
Speaker 1: kind of arm barn them in there. But I've seen worse.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, ye seen worse. Yeah. The only one
Speaker 1: they got right was the one then when a woozy
Speaker 1: the guy kind of tripped down and fell and I
Speaker 1: didn't think he really pushed him or anything, but they
Speaker 1: at least didn't call that. I'm interested in your thoughts
Speaker 1: as a dB because to me, it's reached a point
Speaker 1: where we've analyzed this so much that it's almost like
Speaker 1: the catch rule, like, I'm not sure any now, I'm
Speaker 1: second guessing myself on every call or no call. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: as adep yeah, you're scared to even put hands on
Speaker 1: these guys. I mean, like you said the one with
Speaker 1: with Cooper out there, you know, as a dB, I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: they're hand fighting out there, But I guess the rest
Speaker 1: out otherwise. But I mean it's hard as a defender.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't touch the past five yards. Um,
Speaker 1: you can't hit them like you one two. It's it's
Speaker 1: tough for a defender out there. But I guess you gotta,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of adjust to the rules and make plays.
Speaker 1: Now the best ones do it, except I just don't
Speaker 1: think they're being consistent. That is true on how they're
Speaker 1: doing it. So how do you how do you adjust?
Speaker 1: And if I'm a coach, I'm not even challenging pass
Speaker 1: interference anymore. Oh yeah, I'm not wasting a challenge one
Speaker 1: now because they're not gonna overturn, not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I was surprised when Shermer did it. This will be
Speaker 1: a one and done rule for sure. I think so too.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just get so mad you go Okay, throwing
Speaker 1: the flash, right, Yeah, try and you're trying to get
Speaker 1: back in the game too. Yeah, all right, let's take
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Speaker 1: mean it's become a social media thing. Oh yeah, you
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Speaker 1: But I did play Pong. I was pretty darn good
Speaker 1: at it. Take no super Bowl back. A little button
Speaker 1: where you could accelerate guys, jump higher or whatever the
Speaker 1: deal was like, we're going back decades. Yeah, that's what
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Speaker 1: got my own team to take care of it and
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Speaker 1: an option to put a black Cat on the field too.
Speaker 1: I think that was speaking of superstitions, right, I get
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Speaker 1: was a final on that thirty seven eighteen eighteen because
Speaker 1: I had thirty seven twenty after the game last night
Speaker 1: and I was like, where did I get twenty? Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis with a late fumble return for a touchdown score. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: these these takeaways are starting to come from come in bunches,
Speaker 1: and that guy's for summer. He's always around the ball.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a magnet for some reason. Every
Speaker 1: time he steps on the field something he's either getting
Speaker 1: the PBu he should go to Vegas, played a lottery something.
Speaker 1: Somebody throws him a pass and it goes right to
Speaker 1: right and it's just some credit. No, I give him
Speaker 1: credit for picking up the ball the way he did
Speaker 1: on the run right. A lot of times guys flopping
Speaker 1: around and you know they boot it and kick it
Speaker 1: and and he just scooped and scored. That was a
Speaker 1: good run too. That shows you what he can do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Brown was active for this game, but
Speaker 1: more snaps for Jordan Lewis and so I think that's,
Speaker 1: you know, an indication that the coaching staff is saying,
Speaker 1: all right, when you're out there, you're making plays. So
Speaker 1: I think he'll relinquish his job or you think it's
Speaker 1: his to his the keep. Yeah, I was trying to
Speaker 1: kind of focus on the coverage part of it, but
Speaker 1: I didn't see him making a bunch of tackles, which
Speaker 1: means his guy probably didn't catch that many passes. Must
Speaker 1: have been locking down out there. Yeah, let me see
Speaker 1: what he hit, and you know he's made plays. It's
Speaker 1: Barry's point when called upon and go back to last year,
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara did a nice job. A couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago just you know, some guys have a knack forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he did have six tackles, so he was around
Speaker 1: it somewhere. As they're just you know it might not
Speaker 1: be the greatest athletes, but they're just great football players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he seems to fit the mold of one of those,
Speaker 1: and they did. They looked like they weren't going to
Speaker 1: have Anthony Brown active, and then they changed it and
Speaker 1: he was active and they used him on when they
Speaker 1: went and dying. Yeah, I saw that they used him
Speaker 1: and dying, but that was basically just about it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see where that goes forward. But how about Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: That's where I was going. Barry's guy played with him
Speaker 1: a long time vintage league. Man, that's my guy right there. Man.
Speaker 1: I was excited to see him out there playing as
Speaker 1: fast as he did. I mean, he looked like a
Speaker 1: rookie again. The guy was all over stake one and
Speaker 1: he's type of a little dump off pass and usually
Speaker 1: that's where it, say, Kauan makes his you know his yards,
Speaker 1: A little dump off pass, make a guy missing, he's
Speaker 1: off for eighty h Sean wasn't having it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he closed the gap on him, made a lot of
Speaker 1: great open field tackles out there. Showed the physicality. I mean,
Speaker 1: guy knocked the russ off last night. I was impressed.
Speaker 1: Tight for the team lead with twelve tackles. Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: had twelve. I believe they both had twelve. But he
Speaker 1: was back playing his normal position, will right will. He
Speaker 1: was playing the will, and that's supposed to be the
Speaker 1: guy that's freed up to chase the ball. This is true.
Speaker 1: This is true when we were playing, when I was
Speaker 1: here playing with him, I mean, that was that was
Speaker 1: his position. I mean, he was the linemann't wasn't getting
Speaker 1: up to him. So he was out there free range
Speaker 1: and basically making every play out there. And it looked
Speaker 1: like he went back to that. I mean, um, no
Speaker 1: lineman got up onto him. So it was a great
Speaker 1: job I've been it down there and those boys to
Speaker 1: keep the linman off of him, and uh, he was
Speaker 1: able to flow and play free. And I made plays
Speaker 1: for this team, and I was just like I said,
Speaker 1: I was highly impressed by his play last night. And
Speaker 1: then he played the nickel and yeah, and you know
Speaker 1: he was so yeah, and then you know, the one
Speaker 1: play they gave up was the sa Quon on the
Speaker 1: screen and you know, they all kind of bid on whatever,
Speaker 1: and no, there was only one guy over there and
Speaker 1: he had three blockers out front, and then he did
Speaker 1: his thing. But the next time they tried it, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee goes, oh, no, you right. It was funny because
Speaker 1: I was just looking at the box score before sae
Speaker 1: Quon's big catch and run, and I think they'd allowed
Speaker 1: thirty four total yards against him. I mean, that's I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can defend a player of that
Speaker 1: caliber much better than they did. Go ahead. Sorry, well,
Speaker 1: as your point, Barry Jason was on the fan this
Speaker 1: morning and talked about Sean and space and what he
Speaker 1: was able to do, and he really was doing that
Speaker 1: against Philly two when Layton went out as well, which
Speaker 1: is so key against a guy like Barkley, and they
Speaker 1: were at this defense did a great job of gang
Speaker 1: tackling out there yesterday, I believe. I mean there was
Speaker 1: there was solo tackles out there, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: I mean you saw two, three, four, sometimes five hats
Speaker 1: at the ball at one time, just picking apart these guys,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the night, I just don't
Speaker 1: think New York wanted any parts of it. I mean
Speaker 1: here tooking a lot of hits. I mean Will they
Speaker 1: traded Wijnandez was trying to swing on everybody. So I
Speaker 1: mean they got under the skin and they just they
Speaker 1: played a good brand of football. That's that guy got
Speaker 1: away with murder. He did. If you can get rid
Speaker 1: of if he could have murder on a football field,
Speaker 1: because he was the instigator of all that stuff and
Speaker 1: he never got called for anything, pushing people everything called
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods for Tawny. I didn't see that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like what we were looking for a replay, like did
Speaker 1: he throw a punch or something? But I didn't didn't see.
Speaker 1: I mean he shoved back right, maybe he said something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They had referee had him kind of
Speaker 1: cordoned off, and I know he was yelling but taunting.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't that guy that called it. It It was
Speaker 1: the guy who standing way over there. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: understand that one. They were missing a lot of things yesterday.
Speaker 1: I asked one of the doctors after the game, because
Speaker 1: there were so many personal fouls, I said, you guys,
Speaker 1: get any personal fouls called on you shove anybody out
Speaker 1: of bounds, I mean cutting it. That was a ridiculous
Speaker 1: little segment they did. Right. So one of the stats
Speaker 1: after the game, Cowboys defense, they allowed five of sixteen
Speaker 1: third down conversions. On the season, they're holding opponents twenty
Speaker 1: seven to ninety six. That's twenty eight percent completion percentage
Speaker 1: on third down and it was twenty six percent. So
Speaker 1: it went up in that game because they gave up
Speaker 1: thirty one percent second Lewis in the league and Barry,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think when we've talked about this defense
Speaker 1: all year long, there haven't been that many games where
Speaker 1: I feel like they've played up to their own standard.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, man, what's the ceiling for
Speaker 1: these guys if they can put it all together consistently, right,
Speaker 1: if they can do it consistently, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this is to me is a top five defense, But
Speaker 1: they got to do it consistently. We've sewn, we've we've seen,
Speaker 1: like last week, they have the capabilities of rushing the
Speaker 1: past room and making things happen, and we just haven't
Speaker 1: seen it on consistent basis. Now, maybe with you know,
Speaker 1: Bennett being there and bringing that juice to that defense,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll start to see it on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1: But if they can get that done, I mean, this
Speaker 1: guy's a limit. I mean they got the secondary, they
Speaker 1: got all the pieces to be a great defense, a
Speaker 1: top five defense. They just need to consistency, and I
Speaker 1: think it will happen. I think Bennett's sort of like
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. He'd like to play the Giants all the time.
Speaker 1: I went back and looked at the the stats from
Speaker 1: the two games he played with the Eagles against the
Speaker 1: Giants last year. He had eighty two snaps. He had
Speaker 1: seven tackles, two sacks, four quarterback hits, two tackles for
Speaker 1: a loss, and a forced fumble in the two games
Speaker 1: against the Giants. And I was thinking, well, that's a
Speaker 1: different quarterback, and I'm going no, it's the same offensive line,
Speaker 1: so he should be he should be productive. I missed
Speaker 1: my gut feeling by a sack, right, What was your
Speaker 1: guest feeling that he was going to get to two sacks? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think he had another one that got called
Speaker 1: back maybe or maybe he did something wrong. I can't
Speaker 1: remember if it was the off sides or a in
Speaker 1: the neutral zone. You know who also stepped up great
Speaker 1: for interior rush was up Mali Collins. Yes, yes, and
Speaker 1: he's been doing that. He's pasted couple of weeks. He's
Speaker 1: kind of turned it up a notch and U he's
Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, don't forget about me, guys, I'm
Speaker 1: still here. And uh, he looked great out there. I
Speaker 1: mean he had interior pressure. When he wasn't sacking the quarterback,
Speaker 1: he was in the quarterback's face causing Aaron throws. So
Speaker 1: he played but off yesterday as well. Man, So shotuts
Speaker 1: goes out to Malie Commins, Man, play great, Let's see
Speaker 1: what the old Malik's lying here. I feel like his
Speaker 1: best game might have been, to your point, Barry, the
Speaker 1: Philly game right before the bye, and they had two
Speaker 1: sacks dot, two tackles, a sack, a tackle for a loss,
Speaker 1: a quarterback hit. So yeah, he was pretty active in
Speaker 1: the middle there. And Dorance Armstrong with late sack as well.
Speaker 1: Is that his first sack of his career? Um? I
Speaker 1: think I might have heard that was the rookie inactive yesterday,
Speaker 1: christ Joe Jackson, and they were both inactive. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would imagine Bennett kind of played for both of them,
Speaker 1: that's true. I wonder if he'll see you think he'll
Speaker 1: see the field the rest of this year, Tristan, He's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be more productive. And I think with
Speaker 1: Bennett here, I think that's it's gonna be tough if
Speaker 1: everybody stays healthy. So and he needs to grow up
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, years old, you can get out
Speaker 1: of a ros doghouse. Dude. Don't don't be showing up
Speaker 1: late for anything anything, especially the first practice after a buye.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, as a rookie years year. You know,
Speaker 1: it went back to what remember when we were in
Speaker 1: training camp. I can't remember who did what? And I said,
Speaker 1: he's one of the expendables. If you're expendable, you can't
Speaker 1: screw up because they will expend you. You're out right,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, now they you know he's not. You know,
Speaker 1: but sometimes guys just a little too young to understand
Speaker 1: what this league is all about, you know. Any what,
Speaker 1: any he my understanding. He just got there in time
Speaker 1: for the for the charter on on how do you
Speaker 1: live your life that way? You can't rookie year, you
Speaker 1: gotta be there. I would have been there when when
Speaker 1: they said the line opened at eleven forty five for
Speaker 1: a one o'clock start departure. I'd have been there at
Speaker 1: eleven forty six, so you gotta be I'd have been
Speaker 1: there the first one. I mean, I'm paranoid enough because
Speaker 1: they ain't waiting for me, right, yeah. I get paranoid
Speaker 1: by traffic any time. Back in the Valley Ranch days.
Speaker 1: You know the airport was right there, right yeah, coming
Speaker 1: from Frisco. Right, So I mean, you gotta leave yourself
Speaker 1: enough time. You gotta know when to get there, especially
Speaker 1: after making that mistake of being late right after the
Speaker 1: biowek saw. It's not a good look, man, back to back,
Speaker 1: not a good look. What's you've been a young player?
Speaker 1: Plan for Rod? What's what's line one for playing well?
Speaker 1: I mean his demands for a young player? What does
Speaker 1: he tell guys? Pretty much the only thing he tells,
Speaker 1: even are even a veteran guys, man, do not loaf
Speaker 1: on my field if you loaf on that field. And
Speaker 1: that's why I think Bennett is such a great fit
Speaker 1: for him, because he's a high motor guy. He doesn't loaf.
Speaker 1: He gets after the quarterback and you know it, doesn't
Speaker 1: complain about it. But back to Marinelli, I mean he
Speaker 1: hates loafing with a passion, if you're on there and
Speaker 1: you're getting his loaves, or consider getting passed up by
Speaker 1: a team, or getting passed up by a teammate, like
Speaker 1: if you're hustling, and if it has to be in
Speaker 1: your same position group, Like if a D back passes
Speaker 1: up a D lineman, I mean it's not that's not
Speaker 1: a loaf. But if another D lineman passes you up,
Speaker 1: that's a loaf. If you have a speed change, that's
Speaker 1: a loaf. If you're sitting on the ground and not
Speaker 1: getting off the ground like it's a hot plate, that's
Speaker 1: a little fun. So I mean that's he's preaching that
Speaker 1: each and every day. Don't loaf. I mean we're breaking
Speaker 1: film down from practice saying, oh that's a loaf. That's
Speaker 1: a little I mean, he's counting them out. I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's it's great, but um, he gets those guys
Speaker 1: rolling them. Man. And when he first came in here,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it was twenty thirteen maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: and we had a pretty bad defense. But that next
Speaker 1: year when we made the playoffs, I mean we took
Speaker 1: leaps and bounds and I was just because of Rod
Speaker 1: instilling that hustling to us, not to loaf, don't you know,
Speaker 1: play for the name on the back of your jersey
Speaker 1: type deal, And he got us flying around to the ball.
Speaker 1: And from there on, I feel like just he kind
Speaker 1: of just got the defense going in that direction where
Speaker 1: you see four or five hats at the ball, not
Speaker 1: just one. And I think that does the credit to
Speaker 1: Rob and Eli's coaching ability. And I think Chris Roshard
Speaker 1: has adopted I mean he probably had it already, true.
Speaker 1: H they fit together pretty well. All right, good enough,
Speaker 1: good stuff, Barry, all right, we'll take one more break.
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Speaker 1: of the time with these reads, but this is a
Speaker 1: good read. I didn't have to add. Live man, it's
Speaker 1: almost holidaytime, huh. They got the holiday reads out, yeah already.
Speaker 1: I guess it. This thing's given coming up. The stores
Speaker 1: already had Christmas stuff in before even Halloween. I did
Speaker 1: see some Christmas last Seriously, I got the Thanksgiving Ye.
Speaker 1: It's coming up fast though, As you said that, there's
Speaker 1: a quick stretch of games coming up, and they got
Speaker 1: to be ready. I mean, this is a short week, Barry,
Speaker 1: how do you if you play a game like this
Speaker 1: last night, how do you try to get your body ready?
Speaker 1: And it is a Sunday night game, But how do
Speaker 1: you approach this week with Minnesota coming out? So for
Speaker 1: this week, I'd still approach it the same type of
Speaker 1: way as if it was a Sunday night, or if
Speaker 1: it was if we played on Sunday and we came
Speaker 1: back around on a Sunday that it's still a nice
Speaker 1: little chunk of time in between. But those Thursday night games,
Speaker 1: those are the ones that'll that'll get you scratching your head, like, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta go right back out there and do this.
Speaker 1: And I believe that's the next one half of this. Well,
Speaker 1: they'll play Minnesota, then at Detroit and then at New England.
Speaker 1: It's a late afternoon start and then you get back
Speaker 1: real late. Probably it's a long flight. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you gotta play Thursday. Yeah, that's the that transition right
Speaker 1: there is going to be tough. It was always tough
Speaker 1: for me just seeing you had your bumps up. You
Speaker 1: don't really get over your bumps and bruises until about Thursday.
Speaker 1: But that day you're expected to play a game so
Speaker 1: I expect the coaches to kind of take the load
Speaker 1: off of them a little bit just to get ready
Speaker 1: for this Thursday night game. But for this little stretch
Speaker 1: they have coming up, I feel as though they'll have
Speaker 1: a long enough break to get their bodies right and
Speaker 1: their mental capacity right to deal with Minuntesota team coming
Speaker 1: in here. And that's gonna be no slouch. I mean,
Speaker 1: they got Dalvin Cook back there, running the best he's
Speaker 1: ever run. They got Diggs. I don't believe that Theeland
Speaker 1: might play, but I'm not sure, but Diggs is enough.
Speaker 1: I mean he's over there. He's an explosive weapon in
Speaker 1: his own and uh Kirk Kirk cousins. I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people were sleeping on him early in the season,
Speaker 1: but he's kind of kind of turned the page a
Speaker 1: little bit and he's been playing well. So and you
Speaker 1: know their defense is always coming to play no matter
Speaker 1: who they play. So it's gonna be a great game.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. So I know you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna be there, so it's gonna be an electric game.
Speaker 1: Jam will have them fired up for this one, right,
Speaker 1: he was a old Cowboys coach for that. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we fired up for this one for sure. A matter
Speaker 1: of fact, Zem and I first met when he was
Speaker 1: a graduate assistant at University of Missouri. Is that right.
Speaker 1: I didn't know a coach there for like a year
Speaker 1: or two, I want to say, seven round seventy eight
Speaker 1: maybe something like that, and that's how that's where he
Speaker 1: got his coach and start. Yeah, he got Terence Newman
Speaker 1: coming back. He's oh Man, a lot of years, I
Speaker 1: made a lot of knowledge. It's gonna be a great reunion, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and it's the Vikings, So everybody will be talking about
Speaker 1: the hell Mary because anytime they play the Vikings that
Speaker 1: the hell Mary comes up. Right, This is true. You've
Speaker 1: been on the Happy Hour show with us, and that
Speaker 1: was a great story. But Drew Pearson, Drew, he I
Speaker 1: think ten minutes talking just broke it all down. And
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard that story a million times,
Speaker 1: but he told it in depth, and you're writing a
Speaker 1: story about that. I did for the Game Day magazine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of went back and got all these interviews
Speaker 1: I did with either Stabak or Drew and kind of
Speaker 1: put it together and then tied it into the display
Speaker 1: here at the Star with the thirty six frames of
Speaker 1: the play along drape down between the staircase here. Very cool,
Speaker 1: that's what that. I always wonder what that is. That's
Speaker 1: why you didn't really it didn't really focus on it. No,
Speaker 1: I sound like the eighty and okay, that's pretty cool,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know. That's why they got. They got
Speaker 1: they finally, and it took some deal because NFL Network
Speaker 1: didn't have the shot of the play they needed, so
Speaker 1: they went back to I believe it was CBS was
Speaker 1: doing the game and they still had it in their archives.
Speaker 1: So they took a frame by frame and there's no
Speaker 1: one knew how many frames, so I had to walk
Speaker 1: up and down the steps counting and make sure. Right,
Speaker 1: but there's thirty six pictures up there, and you know,
Speaker 1: no expense around here. And just to kind of tease it,
Speaker 1: so Drew said that the night, the night before the game,
Speaker 1: when he was sleeping, he had a dream that he
Speaker 1: caught the winning touchdown and he threw the ball in
Speaker 1: the stands, which back then was a one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars. Fine, I don't know what it is now
Speaker 1: if you cost me about five grand last nime. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he's so he's he said, he goes off. If
Speaker 1: I do anything good in this, I'm throwing. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: follow my dream. Right, So he scores and he didn't
Speaker 1: think twice and he throws the ball but there was
Speaker 1: no stands where he threw it, and it went past
Speaker 1: the scoreboard into the parking lot. And to this day,
Speaker 1: no one's ever claimed that they've got the ball. Never
Speaker 1: been found again. It's in somebody trophy case. Wow. Yeah stuff.
Speaker 1: But if you had it, you know, I mean, that
Speaker 1: would be worth a lot, right, absolutely, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for your story, right, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: On the Game Day magazine cover four players Verry Church
Speaker 1: doing great work around here. Thanks so much for joining us.
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