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Speaker 1: This is what happens where the fourth Turning meets fifth

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Speaker 1: generation warfare.

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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Pisovic christ Is.

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Speaker 4: We're going to We're going to get rid of the

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Speaker 4: dies and one by one, we're going to get rid

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Speaker 4: of every ingredient and added in in school, in food

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Speaker 4: that we can legally get addressed.

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Speaker 5: US Supreme Court heard arguments today on whether teachers can

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Speaker 5: read books with LGBTQ themes to elementary school students without

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Speaker 5: giving parents the chance to opt out due to religious reasons.

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Speaker 6: America First does not mean America alone. To the contrary,

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Speaker 6: it is a call for deeper collaboration and mutual respect

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Speaker 6: among trade partners. Racing a stronger leadership role, America First

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Speaker 6: seeks to restore fairness to the international economics system.

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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio is skipping Ukraine talks in London today. He

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Speaker 2: had been expected to take part in discussions with Ukrainian,

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Speaker 2: will no longer attend due to quote logistical issues and

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Speaker 2: it's time for them.

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Speaker 7: To either say yes or for the United States to

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Speaker 7: walk away from this process. We've engaged in an extraordinary

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Speaker 7: amount of diplomacy of on the ground work. We've really

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Speaker 7: tried to understand things from the perspective of both the

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Speaker 7: Ukrainians and the Russians. What do Ukrainians care the most about?

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Speaker 7: What are the Russians care the most about? And I

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Speaker 7: think that we've put together a very fair proposal.

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Speaker 3: We're going to see if the.

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Speaker 7: Europeans, the Russians, and the Ukrainians are ultimately able to

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Speaker 7: get this thing over the finish line.

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Speaker 1: Oh ladies and jentle and welcome all board Today's edition

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Speaker 1: of Human Events Daily here live in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Today's April twenty third, twenty twenty five. Ano Domini. So

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Speaker 1: there's this new poll that's come out from Real Clear Politics,

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Speaker 1: and it's been going viral and it's certainly taking up

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Speaker 1: a lot of space rent free in my mind since

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Speaker 1: it dropped. Now, the headline of this is, and it

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Speaker 1: is certainly worthy of discussion.

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Speaker 8: Oldest voters strongly disapprove of Trump.

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Speaker 1: The only age demographic where Trump is underwater right now

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Speaker 1: in the United States is over seventies. If you take

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Speaker 1: out boomers that are over seventy, Trump would actually have

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Speaker 1: a plus plus four opinion support in the polls.

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Speaker 8: But here's what's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: When you break this down even further, it's actually millennials

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Speaker 1: and gen Y aka elder millennials who are the most

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Speaker 1: supportive of Trump according to Real Clear Politics, with a

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Speaker 1: plus nine spread, almost a ten point spread, two digit

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Speaker 1: spread for Trump support among millennials gen Why weren't we

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Speaker 1: told that the millennials were going to be.

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Speaker 8: The wokest generation.

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Speaker 1: Weren't the millennials going to be you know, the generation

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Speaker 1: that you know was whining and complaining too much? And

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Speaker 1: yet now it's the millennials and Gen Y that are

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Speaker 1: actually the most right wing and they support Trump far

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Speaker 8: And guess what. The millennials have seen a lot of

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Speaker 8: culture shift.

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Speaker 1: Remember, this was the generation that was the last generation

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Speaker 1: to experience the world and childhood without the internet and

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Speaker 1: without technology. They were the generation that came of age

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Speaker 1: with nine to eleven, with the Iraq War and huge

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Speaker 1: cultural shifts. Let's talk about the fact that this was

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Speaker 1: the generation that entered the workforce during the global financial crisis,

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Speaker 1: took on a lot of debt. They've also been the

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Speaker 1: ones that the system has screwed over the most, whether

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Speaker 1: it's war, whether it's finances, whether it's them watching the

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Speaker 1: bailouts that went to every single other part of society.

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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, all those moneyed interests

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Speaker 1: turned around and said, the problem is you. The problem

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Speaker 1: is toxic masculinity, the problem is religion. The problem is

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Speaker 1: that people who live in this country, and those people

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Speaker 1: they're saying, you know what, I'm sick of this.

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Speaker 8: The system isn't working for me. The system hasn't worked

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Speaker 8: for us.

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Speaker 1: It's delayed family formation, it's delayed home ownership, and they're saying,

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Speaker 1: we're sick of it. And so they view Trump as

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Speaker 1: a change agent the way that the over seventies don't

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Speaker 1: want change. Turns out it's the millennials and gen Y

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Speaker 1: speaking as a member of gen Y, support Trump and

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Speaker 1: wrote that in his blistering descent, they blocked the President

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Speaker 1: from using the Alien Enemies Act for deporting members of

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Speaker 1: situation in some of the actually very interesting I think

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Speaker 1: constitutional questions that arise from this decision is Will Chamberlain,

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Speaker 8: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Will?

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Speaker 8: Good to be with you, Jack.

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Speaker 1: So this is a really interesting question because as we

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Speaker 1: so I mentioned yesterday that in Article four, Section four

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Speaker 1: has an obligation to defend the States from invasion, but

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Speaker 1: it also doesn't define when exactly it is that that

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Speaker 1: fact declared an invasion under the ISA, the Immigration Nationalization Act,

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Speaker 9: So I guess there's two different court cases that are

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Speaker 9: we can take either of those in turn. They're both

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Speaker 9: argument with ed Wheel and of the APPC over this.

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Speaker 9: The district court doesn't get to second guess a president's

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Speaker 9: If the President says there is an incursion, then I

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Speaker 9: Justice Alito, in a scathing descent, called them out on it.

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Speaker 9: This was all about Alito is basically pointing out that

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Speaker 8: That's crazy. You guys should follow the law.

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Speaker 1: And so this idea then that they are and then

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Speaker 1: walkers through actually how this is connected, because again, this

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Speaker 8: With that, like this is our system.

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Speaker 1: So I guess the question then, will I would have

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Speaker 9: If they thought it was unconstitutional, it would have gone

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Speaker 1: We're on with Will Chamberlain's Senior Council, the Article three project,

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Speaker 8: Like trend Dare Rock. Will be right back, Jack the

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Speaker 10: Let's go right to the White House where Caroline Levitt

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Speaker 11: In order to make a good deal, both sides have

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Speaker 11: Zelinsky has been trying to litigate this peace Negotia negotiation

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Speaker 11: enough is enough. The President's frustrated. His patience is running

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Speaker 8: Went that Europeas are doing enough on some im just

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Speaker 2: So what does the President think about Eupian support for

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Speaker 11: Look, the President has always maintained that europe always needs

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Speaker 8: You've seen it when we've.

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Speaker 11: Had many different European leaders coming to the White House.

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Speaker 1: Will have one tomorrow.

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Speaker 11: Of course, Norway will be here tomorrow, Carol. I think

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Speaker 12: I asked you up the president reaching the meet and

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Speaker 12: so they already next month is there? But who I am?

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Speaker 11: I'm not tracking a meeting at this time, but as always,

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Speaker 8: I didn't the dates of the foreign trip yesterday morning.

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Speaker 11: On this morning you will talk about the motivation behind

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Speaker 1: How the partment?

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, do you talk about.

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Speaker 8: Black Oh, the right house?

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Speaker 11: I thought you were referring to the flags we lowered

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Look, I mean the President is a real estate developer

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Speaker 8: He has some fun ideas for this complex.

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Speaker 11: Which we've kept you all apprized of as they have

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Speaker 3: Whereabout which I think?

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Speaker 10: M Well, all right, so that was Caroline Levitt speaking

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Speaker 8: Excuse me?

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Speaker 10: Relative to the ongoing peace talks or what doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: Involving the deportation of the legal alien. So will walk

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Speaker 1: us through what the next steps are for the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration as pertains to the Alien Enemies Act, and really,

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Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, we got to get

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So I expect this administrative stay will get lifted

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Speaker 9: that'll get lifted. The dj will have to appeal this

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Speaker 9: of interesting thing is it really depends on what kind

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Speaker 8: Mean that it's no longer the most.

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Speaker 9: Efficient way to get people out of the country because

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Speaker 1: So rather than create this separate process to fast track it,

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Speaker 8: Go, and you know it's it's something like that.

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Speaker 1: We were able to free to walk for our own recognizance.

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Speaker 9: non citizens are not entitled to. If you're saying a

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Speaker 9: You know, there's a great Larvaw article on this by

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Speaker 8: Get on the plane, Like really keep it that simple.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. If

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Speaker 1: you want to do process, I'm fine with that. And

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Speaker 1: I was on Peers Morgan last week and I kind

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Speaker 1: of broached the same thing.

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Speaker 8: I said.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm all for people doing the due process, but

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Speaker 1: at the same time, there are millions of people that

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Speaker 1: were led into this country by the previous administration.

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Speaker 8: That's the con text.

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Speaker 1: That's what the president was elected to do, to remove

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Speaker 1: illegals from the country. So we're putting we're going to

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Speaker 1: find a process to be able to put this together.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Last

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Speaker 1: last minute to you, Will Chamberlain.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think in general, the uh, it's

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Speaker 9: really unfortunate that the Supreme Court is kind of taking

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Speaker 9: way to like protect the legal aliens when they won't,

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Speaker 9: you know, and reaching so aggressively to protect them when

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Speaker 9: they especially when they just let the j six people

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Speaker 9: like languish in jail for years and finally three years

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Speaker 9: into their reprisonment, was like, oh, yeah, this primary charge

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Speaker 9: they were convicted of not legal.

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Speaker 8: They shouldn't have been convicted of it.

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Speaker 9: The Supreme Court needs to really get a handle on

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Speaker 9: the idea that they're legitimacy is at stake here. You know,

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Speaker 9: President Trump was elected to deport Matt to engaging mass deportation.

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Speaker 9: If they're going to thwart it, then it really gives

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Speaker 9: a question of like, exactly who do they think they are?

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Speaker 1: Really stop playing politics at the Supreme Court. I think

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Speaker 1: that's something we can probably all agree with. Jack Pusovic,

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Speaker 1: you're listening and watching human events, will be right back.

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Speaker 10: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break.

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Speaker 8: I'm Terrence Bates. Thanks so much for being here with us.

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Speaker 10: Pope Francis is lying in state at Saint Peter's Basilica,

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Speaker 10: the Vatican right now. Three days of public viewing is

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Speaker 10: underway in advance of Saturday's funeral. The Basilica will remain

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Speaker 10: open until midnight today and tomorrow to allow the faithful

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Speaker 10: to mourn the pontiff. The public morning period will end

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Speaker 10: Friday evening at seven local time. Saturday's funeral was scheduled

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Speaker 10: for ten am in Saint Peter's Square. The Pope will

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Speaker 10: then be buried at Saint Mary Major, which is outside

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Speaker 10: the Vatican and home to the Virgin Mary. President Trump

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Speaker 10: is headed to the Vatican Friday morning to attend Saturday's

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Speaker 10: funeral for the Pope. It's going to be his first

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Speaker 10: international trip as president and an opportunity to spend time

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Speaker 10: with other world leaders, as the funeral is expected to

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Speaker 10: be attended by most major heads of state. Just this morning,

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Speaker 10: we learned that Argentinian President Javier Malay.

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Speaker 3: Will be at the funeral.

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Speaker 10: The Pope, of course, was Argentinian.

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Speaker 8: Ukrainian leader Voldemir Zelenski.

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Speaker 10: British Prime Minister Kiir Starmer and Prince William will also

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Speaker 10: be there, along with the King and Queen of Spain

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Speaker 10: and leaders from Italy, France, Brazil, Germany, as well as

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Speaker 10: the European Union as a whole. Those leaders may be

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Speaker 10: trying to pull President Trump to the side as negotiators

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Speaker 10: are scrambling to get US led peace talks between Russia

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Speaker 10: and Ukraine back on track. All of this after Secretary

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Speaker 10: of State Marco Rubio canceled a planned trip to London

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Speaker 10: to continue peace talks. The downgrading of talks and Secretary

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Speaker 10: of Rubio's absence sends a clear message as President Trump

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Speaker 10: and Vice President Vance continue to warn all parties involved

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Speaker 10: that the US is willing to abandon its efforts for

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Speaker 10: peace if progress on a deal isn't made quickly.

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Speaker 11: The President looks to strengthen the ties between the United

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Speaker 11: States and these countries and which he.

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Speaker 8: Will be visiting.

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Speaker 11: He'll be having many bilateral meetings and talks, and we

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Speaker 11: look forward to the trip.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 10: President Trump will be heading to the Middle East for

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Speaker 10: what was supposed to be his first trip and.

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Speaker 3: Next month in May. That's a quick check of your headlines.

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Speaker 10: I'm Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 12: Today. You know that you're talking about influencers.

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Speaker 8: These are influencers and their friends of mine.

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Speaker 1: Jack so big, all right, Jack Resovic, we are back

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Speaker 1: drink coffee made.

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Speaker 1: So I want to bring in now Mike Ben's the

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Speaker 1: executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online.

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Speaker 8: You know Bens. We all know Bens.

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Speaker 1: Because we've been talking and seeing a lot of huge

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Speaker 1: information about the State Department, huge rear going on there,

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Speaker 1: obviously with Secretary Rubio. Mike Bench's had a huge interview

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Speaker 1: with him as well.

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Speaker 8: Massive congrats on that.

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Speaker 1: But Ben's I want to also talk about the od NI,

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Speaker 1: Office of the Director of National Intelligence, because Director Gabbert

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Speaker 1: has set up this new director's initiatives group, the DIG,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of the kind of a play on Doge,

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Speaker 1: but different in the sense that they're not just looking

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Speaker 1: at things to cut. They are also looking at things

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Speaker 1: to declassify or possibly make more transparent than we've seen

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Speaker 1: in the past. And certainly we know about the assassinations,

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Speaker 1: we know about MLK and RFK and JFK.

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Speaker 8: All of this is coming forward.

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Speaker 1: But Bens wanted to get your thoughts as well on

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Speaker 1: these particular rabbit holes that within the intel community that

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Speaker 1: the DIG can perhaps take a look at.

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Speaker 8: If you had a wish.

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Speaker 13: List, well, I would start with an organizing framework around

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Speaker 13: what I've been calling the undeclared second Cold War against populism.

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Speaker 13: I think this actually is a door that will open

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Speaker 13: a thousand other doors. This is a massive undertaking to

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Speaker 13: declassify intelligence documents. I can't really think of something with

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Speaker 13: this broad and sprawling a mandate as what Director Gabbert

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Speaker 13: has been given. If you look at the press release

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Speaker 13: for the announcement, it was almost twenty executive orders or

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Speaker 13: something to that effect. This personal to most significantly weaponization

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Speaker 13: against Americans. And then secondarily on that list I saw

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Speaker 13: was enforcing the free speech executive order that President Trump

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Speaker 13: signed on Day one, and both of these things I

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Speaker 13: think come to a head in what I believe has

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Speaker 13: been a Cold war that we've been in but not

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Speaker 13: known that we've been in. And by we, I mean

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Speaker 13: the American people.

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Speaker 3: We knew.

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Speaker 13: We the American people are fathers and mothers and grandparents

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Speaker 13: knew they were in a cold war with Russia.

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Speaker 3: It was there was no secret that there.

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Speaker 13: Was an intelligence community wide effort against left wing communism.

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Speaker 13: I think the American people by and large had no

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Speaker 13: clue that they have been in a that their intelligence

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Speaker 13: community has been involved in a worldwide effort against right

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Speaker 13: wing populism. And so there has not been the historiography

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Speaker 13: created from the record of the Cold War.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 13: For the past ten years, really starting with Trump and

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Speaker 13: Brexit in twenty sixteen, that have seen the CIA, the DoD,

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Speaker 13: the State Department USAID, and then all their tentacles across

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Speaker 13: the private sector, the media, the NGOs, the universities, the

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Speaker 13: civil society organizations that are funded by the State Department USA,

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Speaker 13: the intelligence community in order to orchestrate this. And I

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Speaker 13: think that if you simply run a keyword search, for example,

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Speaker 13: for the word populism, and populist or for all their

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Speaker 13: little proxy terms like backsliding, democratic backsliding or illiberal.

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Speaker 3: This is another one that they do.

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Speaker 13: They say, this is all done in the name of

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Speaker 13: democracy promotion.

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Speaker 3: And by you know, the reason you have.

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Speaker 13: Republicans like the Liz Cheney, you know, Adam Kin Romney

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Speaker 13: quotient that support going after illiberal democracies. It's sort of

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Speaker 13: small l liberal and it's a reference to the liberal

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Speaker 13: rules based international order because all this stuff, all these

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Speaker 13: CIA operations, all the CI connected ones through State and USAID,

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Speaker 13: are done in the name of democracy promotion. This was

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Speaker 13: our weapon during the Cold War against communism. It wasn't

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Speaker 13: just that we were going to tear down communism. It

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Speaker 13: was because communism was against democracy. And we've been following

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Speaker 13: this Woodrow Wilsonian edict to make the world a safe

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Speaker 13: place for democracy, which means that the world is a

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Speaker 13: safe place for the State Department and the us AID

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Speaker 13: and the CIA to operate in as long as they

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Speaker 13: can create a predicate that something is undemocratic or an

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Speaker 13: illiberal democracy where it's technically a democracy but it's going

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Speaker 13: through democrat backsliding, and so honestly, just a simple keyword.

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Speaker 13: To understand the world through that lens and to use

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Speaker 13: that as a shaping framework for whatever area of weaponization

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Speaker 13: you want to go you want to go through first,

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Speaker 13: I think is very powerful and for me, the free

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Speaker 13: speech aspect is paramount because it's one thing you know,

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Speaker 13: everyone knows. We have a First Amendment here in the

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Speaker 13: US that protects US citizens, but foreign citizens are not

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Speaker 13: protected by the First Amendment, which means the CIA gets

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Speaker 13: to play all sorts of games with the media, They

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Speaker 13: the international level that they are not allowed to do

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Speaker 13: at home. But if they work with those censorship organizations,

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Speaker 13: or they draw a line between a foreign country that

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Speaker 13: they call an autocrat or a liberal and the US president,

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Speaker 13: they can catch millions, tens of millions of Americans up

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Speaker 13: that in those crosshairs. We saw their little proxies, for example,

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Speaker 13: do this in Brazil with the National Demo Democracy in

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Speaker 13: a group called IFEZ, which is supposed to be involved

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Speaker 13: throttling of pro Bolscenaro content because of the international exchange

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Speaker 13: of ideas between Bolsonaro, the Bolscenaro movement in Brazil and

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Speaker 13: the Trump movement in the US, so they would not

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Speaker 13: be allowed to do that here at home. But by

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Speaker 13: saying that there's a straight line you can draw between

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Speaker 13: Trump and Trump supporters and our foreign enemies or adversaries

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Speaker 13: or illiberal governments abroad, they can conflate those two, just

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Speaker 13: like they did with Russia Gate, and catch up basically

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Speaker 13: all of American media in the process. And I believe

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Speaker 13: that's exactly what happened. You don't get joint, unified effort

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Speaker 13: between the State Department, USAID, the Pentagon, and all the

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Speaker 13: connected NGOs without getting the CIA, because they are all

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Speaker 13: doing the CIA activity of promoting democracy through control over

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Speaker 13: the information sphere. I know, for example, because I published

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Speaker 13: this case. One last point. Sorry, just and then I'll

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Speaker 13: turn back to you. I'm sorry. In December twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 13: Group out of the White House. It had twenty six

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Speaker 13: cooperating government agencies. Information integrity is a censorship watchword that

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Speaker 13: chops up information and news into low integrity and high

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Speaker 13: integrity sources, and then says we need to sensor the

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Speaker 13: low integrity ones, well, everyone pro Trump is low integrity.

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Speaker 3: According to their definition.

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Speaker 13: One of the twenty six partnered agencies was a central

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Speaker 13: intelligence agency directly involved in that work. Every single file,

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Speaker 13: for example, there on information integrity and on the targets

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Speaker 13: I and all the other government agencies tacity classification.

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Speaker 8: Well, and so I was just going to add something

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Speaker 8: that it's going.

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Speaker 1: To be so surprising to you that actually bolsters what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, but from perhaps an extremely unlikely source, because

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Speaker 1: in a totally unrelated story that of course we're tracking,

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Speaker 1: we had the death of Pope Francis here just two

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Speaker 1: days ago Easter Monday. Of course people are asking, you know,

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Speaker 1: who potentially could be the next pope? And so Cardinal

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Speaker 1: Robert Sarah is someone that a lot of people, a

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Speaker 1: lot of conservatives, have been talking about. And so I

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Speaker 1: was sort of skimming his book The Day Is Now

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Speaker 1: Far Spent, which came out in twenty nineteen, and he

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Speaker 1: talks about what he calls the two sicknesses of our era,

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Speaker 1: and he uses different names for it. And then suddenly

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Speaker 1: I realized, wait a minute, he's talking about globalism and

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Speaker 1: he says that there is a new system that is

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Speaker 1: spreading throughout the West, a godless, atheistic system that operates

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Speaker 1: under the guise of progress, human rights or humanitarian aid,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately erodes local customs, traditions, and sovereignty. The West

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Speaker 1: is now seeking to impose this secular, materialistic worldview that

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Speaker 1: underminds faith and communal bonds. And you know, he specifically

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Speaker 1: talks about African countries, but he also talks about European

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Speaker 1: countries as well. He talks about the effect of migration

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Speaker 1: on this and how it also weakens those bonds as well.

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Speaker 8: I was sitting back, I was like looking at it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, this is a Roman Catholic

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Speaker 1: cardinal from Africa and he's saying the same stuff that

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Speaker 1: Mike Ben says every day.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's incredible.

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Speaker 13: As you were saying that, I have burned in my

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Speaker 13: brain a video that set me off on a side

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Speaker 13: quest about Brazil many many years ago.

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Speaker 3: This is June twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 13: The Atlantic Council organized a panel that they called Election

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Speaker 13: Watch and everyone can look this up. It's still on

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Speaker 13: YouTube and I can post the full source video on

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Speaker 13: x But this was about six months after Bolsonaro took

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Speaker 13: office in Brazil and the Atlanta Council, with seven CIA

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Speaker 13: directors on its board and annual funding from the Pentagon,

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Speaker 13: the State Department, and USAI D they held this panel

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Speaker 13: about what went wrong? How did we fail to stop

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Speaker 13: Bolsonnaro from winning? And what they say in the panel

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Speaker 13: is that in Brazil, local customs and local trust has

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Speaker 13: been more dominant than trust in institutions. And of course

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Speaker 13: that just means USA funded and goos and people down

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Speaker 13: with the Blob. But they contextualized this as a problem

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Speaker 13: that they had to overcome through censorship of WhatsApp and

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Speaker 13: telegram in Brazil, to stop people from listening to their

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Speaker 13: local clergy, to stop people from listening to their friends

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Speaker 13: and family so that they would be clockwork oranged with

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Speaker 13: Blob propaganda. Because in Brazil they literally used that phrase

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Speaker 13: that local customs and local trust and local bonds were

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Speaker 13: were a thicker glue than people trusting the experts.

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Speaker 1: And they said this was institutional problem, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and we wrote this whole bok, We've got a quick break,

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Speaker 1: We're coming up, wrote an.

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Speaker 8: Entire book about this last year.

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Speaker 1: How historically speaking, the first targets of every communist revolutionary regime,

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Speaker 1: especially in South America. We're always the priests, the local priests,

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Speaker 1: the clergy, so they're onto something, and I think we're

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Speaker 1: on to them. Jack Phosovic, Mike Ben's Human Events, we

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Speaker 1: will be right back.

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Speaker 8: Jack is a great guy. Everybody's talking about it, don't

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Speaker 8: get it.

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Speaker 3: From the whole.

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Speaker 12: I think that Iran has a chance to have a

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Speaker 12: great country and to live happily without death, and I'd

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Speaker 12: like to see that. That's my first option. If there's

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Speaker 12: a second option, I think it would be very bad

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Speaker 12: for Iran. And I think Iran is wanting to talk.

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Speaker 12: I hope they're wanting to talk. It's going to be

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Speaker 12: very good for them if they do. And I'd like

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Speaker 12: to see Iran be thrive in the future, do fantastically well.

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Speaker 8: I know the Iranian people.

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Speaker 12: They're incredible people, always have been, very smart, very energetic,

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Speaker 12: very successful people. And I don't want to do anything

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Speaker 12: that's going to hurt anybody. I really don't. But Iran

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Speaker 12: can't have a nuclear weapon. It's, you know, pretty simple,

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Speaker 12: it's really simple. We're not looking to take their industry,

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Speaker 12: we're not looking to take their land. We're not go

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Speaker 12: with saying this, well, you can't have a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 9: When I'm working long hours, I'm always listening to human

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Speaker 9: events with Jack Postobic.

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Speaker 8: All right, this is Jack Posobic.

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Speaker 1: We are back on with Mike Bens of the Foundation

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Speaker 1: of Freedom Online. We're talking about the declassification program that

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Speaker 1: d and I Gabbert has put together at the OD

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Speaker 1: and I and Bens you were talking a little bit

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Speaker 1: about specifically the issue of Brazil and the intelligence operations

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Speaker 1: that have gone on down there visa the specifics on

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Speaker 1: their political process. I mean, I would even take that

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Speaker 1: and expand it out. Look at all of the regime

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Speaker 1: change operations that have gone on across the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: across Eastern Europe, the color revolutions that have gone on

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Speaker 1: large and then yes, also by the way, the direct

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Speaker 1: operations that have gone on to affect public opinion and

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Speaker 1: affect elections even within our own allies, even dare I

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Speaker 1: say it, our own NATO allies, which we know that

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Speaker 1: the intelligence community has been going back to Obama, you know,

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Speaker 1: wiretapping Merkel's cell phone that we all know about, and

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Speaker 1: some of the disclosures that came out of there. I

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Speaker 1: think there is a massive treasure trove of information that

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Speaker 1: could come out, and this really could be a sort

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Speaker 1: of a sort of Church Committee two point zero type

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Speaker 1: of situation where you actually have people from the Intel

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Speaker 1: community for the first time. It's been fifty years, by

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Speaker 1: the way since the Church Committee. So have them come

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Speaker 1: forward and say, look, this is what your intel community

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Speaker 1: has actually been done.

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Speaker 8: And let's be serious.

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Speaker 1: Trump would not be back in office the way he

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Speaker 1: is right now if it wasn't for the excesses of

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Speaker 1: the Intel community and the things that were done by

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Speaker 1: the National Security State to President Trump and Trump supporters

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Speaker 1: that completely turned off Americans. There is so much here,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're only just scratching the surface so far.

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Speaker 13: That's right, and I think that the Trump administration could

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Speaker 13: even offer immunity or even financial rewards for successfully whistleblowing

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Speaker 13: on abuses from the intelligence state. And you mentioned expanding

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Speaker 13: it across all of NATO. I'm particularly troubled by several

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Speaker 13: NATO countries where it's very obvious that the CIA has

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Speaker 13: put a classified hand on local elections, and those included

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Speaker 13: my view, Poland, Romania, France, among several others. But I'll

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Speaker 13: stick with those who are right now, as I published

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Speaker 13: and said this on the Joe Rogan show. The National

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Speaker 13: Dama for Democracy, which was conceived of by the CIA

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Speaker 13: first in William Casey's office in nineteen eighty three and

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Speaker 13: is a constant CIA companion star put out a paper

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Speaker 13: telling Donald Tusk to arrest every significant member of the

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Speaker 13: PIS party in Poland in order to quote stamp out

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Speaker 13: populism and ensure that it can't return in the next election,

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Speaker 13: and gave a list of a dozen people from the

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Speaker 13: party saying that they must be arrested by the court

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Speaker 13: system there they have to find crimes. They even said

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Speaker 13: that the leader of the Law and Justice Party should

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Speaker 13: be arrested. But we can't think of a crime yet,

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Speaker 13: but you know, sort of suggested get creative. I mean,

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Speaker 13: this is coming from the CIA effectively to the criminal

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Speaker 13: courts to arrest the people in the PIS party, which

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Speaker 13: is underway. We saw Caln Georges Q in Romania arrested

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Speaker 13: and then his first round election victory nullified. There's a

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Speaker 13: major CIA interest as well as a NATO interest in

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Speaker 13: Rome as effectively a battle station in the Black Sea

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Speaker 13: against Crimea and against Russia. NATO's building the largest military

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Speaker 13: base in all of Europe right there on.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we just had a sit down interview with

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Speaker 1: George Simeon, who is currently the leading contender for the presidency.

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Speaker 8: Here in here on Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 1: We had him on last week when he visited Washington,

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Speaker 1: BC in studio and it was just we were there

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Speaker 1: last year meeting him with you, Chrest. We had no

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Speaker 1: idea that we'd be in such a situation. Mike Ben's

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Speaker 1: We've got about a minute left. I think all this

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Speaker 1: is incredible. A new church committee, a two point zero.

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Speaker 1: It's time to air the dirty laundry of the intel communities,

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Speaker 1: not just the past decade, the current, the past fifty years,

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Speaker 1: everything that's going on.

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Speaker 8: Mike.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to follow you and see and

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Speaker 1: track everything that you have going on?

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Speaker 13: Follow me on x at Mike Ben's iber also Foundation

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Speaker 13: for Freedom Online dot com. And what I just add

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Speaker 13: as a closing statement here is places like OD and

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Speaker 13: I and I know the State Department has a similar

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Speaker 13: effort underway at the Global Engagement Center, and USAID is

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Speaker 13: also looking at internal files. They don't need to sense

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Speaker 13: make the whole thing. Let you can simply have I

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Speaker 13: thought that the first iteration of the JFK files was

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Speaker 13: tremendously successful. Even though there was no executive summary. It

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Speaker 13: allowed a tremendous amount of information to come out by

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Speaker 13: simply crowdsourcing it. All that need to happen is declassifying

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Speaker 13: and if it's if it, give me declassified, simply publish it.

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Speaker 13: You don't need to spend months sense making it all.

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Speaker 1: Just drop it all out and let the people have

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Speaker 1: out declassified, declassified, declassified ladies.

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Speaker 8: Juman has always a permissional rasual