1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Welcome Dack. It Appened Here, a podcast about landlords doing 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: bullshit and how you can stop them. Today, we're continuing 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: our interview with two tenants in California fighting a massiveviction 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: by landlord Ghules core spaces Enjoy. Yeah, something else I 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: wanted to ask about that I'd heard about was like 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: harassment from the guards and the fact that there suddenly 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: started being security guards after this started. I'm talking. Yeah, 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: either you want to talk about that a bit. 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: I yeah, I would love to talk about that. So 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: I have lived here for almost three years. We did 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: have security. I want to say it was Saturdays between 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: It was one security guard for all four buildings Saturdays 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: between eleven pm and like three four am, just just 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: one security guard that will walk around just during that time. 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: Since core Spaces has purchased the property, we have two 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: to four twenty four to seven security guards. I know 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: they're they're really They've made me personally super fucking uncomfortable. 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: I've had them ask me where I live, Like when 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: I'm going around canvassing right trying to get flyers people's 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: doores let them know, like, hey, this is these are 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: the actual facts. 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: Stuff like that. They've asked me, like where, what building. 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: Do you live in? 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: What's your name? Creepy things? 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm not going to tell you that 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: I have no idea who you are. They walk past 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: our apartment constantly. It's every time I go outside, they're 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: waiting right outside the building. They're taking photos of the 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: things across the buildings, like stuff outside of people's units. 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: It's really uncomfortable, and it's kind of telling because it's like, well, 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: we never need a security before. Oh, but but once 32 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: you bought the building and wanted to kick everyone out, Oh, 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're you're you know, you're hiring 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: these random people, which I will also add one of 35 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: our neighbors talk to one of the security guards. He 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: worked there for a day and was like, yeah, they 37 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: lowered my pay to like minimum wage. 38 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: I'm not going yeah, yeah, he literally don't. 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: Maybe we should try to like help utilize the yes 40 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: course baces. You guys are such Mark Lips and Chris Richards. 41 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 4: You guys are the cheapest, stummiest him in the England planet. 42 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: Right And and he was like, yeah, I'm leaving, like 43 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: I'm not going to do this. 44 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: This is stupid. 45 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: But usually when I go out, you know, I mean 46 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: for the most part, they're usually just sitting on their phone, 47 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: standing in front of the entrance, locking the doors again, 48 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: stuff like that. 49 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 5: Kind Yeah, well with yeah, well the standing around part 50 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 5: of the cops chop so far hopefully not the other 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 5: part of the cop jop where they yeah. 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 3: Minus any credentials. 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: Basically not that I want cops here either, but but yeah, 54 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: it's been in my own personal opinion, it's harassing behavior, 55 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: you know, and it's in and I've talked to so 56 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: many tenants here, especially again the more marginalized tenants. I'm 57 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: not I'm not gonna like specify them, but they're very 58 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: intimidated by them, and they actually do think they are cops. 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: They don't know that. No, these aren't police officers. They 60 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: aren't trying to. They don't have the power to do 61 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: certain things that you may be afraid of. 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: Are they like, are they like in like like policy uniforms. 63 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, they have Yeah, they have security uniforms. 64 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: They have tasers on them. They they they like to 65 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: direct their power. 66 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not similar enough to be able to get 67 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: them on a person, to get police officer, but it's 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: still really depressing that Yeah, I don't know. 69 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, but and again, and the strategy is to get 70 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: to it's to scare the ship out of people say. 71 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just terror. 72 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's it's uncomfortable. 73 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: It's uncomfortable when you go out of your apartment and 74 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: there's just some random person with a taser just like 75 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: right next to you, and you're like, uh, I'm just 76 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: trying to go check my mailbox, Like what the what 77 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: the hell? 78 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well you guys are safer though, right, So 79 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: that like that's happened Like if a like like if 80 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 4: an evil landlord and their slimy scummy evil law tine 81 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 4: were to try to like put you guys under the streets, 82 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 4: the security guards would come and defend you against them. 83 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: Right. 84 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: Oh wait, no, I am I mixed up. Oh they're 85 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: here to serve the evil people trying to put you 86 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 4: on the streets. Oh that's minimum minimum. 87 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 6: Yeah. 88 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: I mean that's the sad thing too, is that that 89 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 4: the security guards are probably going to get renevicted by 90 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: like the Homeboys of the Core Spaces executives at some point, right, 91 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 4: Like yeah, uh, they're they're going to get renovicted. Somebody 92 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 4: is going to look at their wherever they're living as 93 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: a as a low performing asset that needs to be 94 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 4: retenanted and ship. Yeah, so yeah, I don't. So that's fun, 95 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 4: that's cool. 96 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: I don't I don't blame I know, I understand the job. 97 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: I don't blame them. 98 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: I guess as individuals, well, some of them, I do, 99 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: because they're clearly on power trips. 100 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: They like to enforce their power. 101 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: But I do understand that they are being hired outside 102 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: to do a job. But it's it's really not fun. 103 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine ever, Yeah, doing that myself, I wouldn't 104 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: feel right. 105 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 106 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: You know, everyone, we're all suffering, right like the you know, 107 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: we're all trying to survive. 108 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: So I try not to judge too much, but I 109 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: can't help it. When you know they're taking photos. 110 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: Inside the windows of my apartment, it's sucking creepy, like. 111 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty creepy. 112 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Okay, is there anything else that I 113 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: teach you to if. 114 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 4: You want to talk about Let's see, we got the beginning, 115 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: so we got the law passed, and then we got. 116 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 6: The slimy. 117 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 4: Time. Taylor Fox Howard LP Garbage Law Firm came along. Well, okay, 118 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 4: so one one thing that's been a struggle, and I 119 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 4: would say, like Sam and a couple others have been 120 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 4: it's just nuts to me, like how much stamina. Well no, actually, 121 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 4: let me say this, like, uh so I am. I'm 122 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: a mental professional, which I don't like to say in 123 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 4: organizing spaces a lot because I don't like to mix 124 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 4: up the role too much. But like, straight up, everybody 125 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 4: I talk to in these situations, like in the role 126 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 4: of like tenant organizer, not not like therapists. It's just 127 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 4: everything reeks of PTSD symptoms, Like straight up like people 128 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: can't sleep, people are hyper vigilant. They're going out to 129 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: their car and they're looking around to see if there's 130 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 4: a security guard. They're in constant fear, they're confused there, 131 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: you know, their their startle responses up, which is which 132 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 4: is hyper vigulous. I mean there's literally can pick up 133 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: a fucking ds M five and look at the definition 134 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 4: of PTSD, and I would say, uh, I can't say everyone. 135 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 4: I haven't talked to everyone in the building, but I 136 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 4: mean this process creates fucking PTSD. Like I'm not exaggerating, 137 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: I'm not making this up. And also because the mental 138 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: health fields, as a side note, is such a like neoliberal, individualistic, 139 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 4: fucking trash fire. It's hard to actually look at this 140 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: correctly to say like this is this is like a 141 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: mass like trauma of it. But despite the mass trauma 142 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 4: that everybody experiences with this, the resilience in it of 143 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 4: being like Okay, we're still going to go out and 144 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: we're going to fly her and we're going to knock 145 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: on doors and so like, there's been this phase, like 146 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: a two part kind of phase, which has been continuing 147 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: to talk to the county supervisors to try to get 148 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: them to pass a stronger law because there's kind of 149 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: this race now where if and when course Spaces gets permits, 150 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 4: then they can send out like actually proper notices, although 151 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 4: maybe there'll be problems of the notices and that can 152 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: be addressed or whatever, but like it is, it is 153 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: kind of just buying time, right if they if they 154 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 4: get permits and then they try to evict everybody, then 155 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: then then there's the actual sixty day uh like countdown, 156 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 4: I guess, depending depending on a lot of different factors. Right, 157 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 4: But so the county one of the supervisors said, you know, 158 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 4: I want to I want to make like the most 159 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 4: gruesome speed bump to you know, to speed bump is 160 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: eviction for core spaces. And so what they did is 161 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 4: it is a big speed bump, but it actually doesn't 162 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: like solve the problem. Would solve the problem is either 163 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 4: a no fault of diction moratorium, which would be like 164 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 4: really broad. We're not sure how how what the chances 165 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 4: are getting them to pass that. But another thing would 166 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 4: be it's usually called right to return, but we're calling 167 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 4: it right to re rent because right to return, I 168 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 4: guess is a thing that like I don't know, I 169 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 4: don't know, like Ziona Day or something, I don't know. Yeah, 170 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 4: it's a whole right right, right, So so, but right 171 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: to re rent, which is like a thing that is 172 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: in several other other cities and counties, which just means 173 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 4: like if the landlord legitimately needs to make renovations because 174 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 4: of like safety and inhabitability concerns or whatever, they have 175 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: to relok relocate the tenant temporarily, and then they have 176 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 4: to re rent to the tenant for what we were 177 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: asking is the same rent. We also think that like 178 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 4: using the using the ten percent a year framework would 179 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: be fine, like relocate them and then raise it by 180 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 4: ten percent if you didn't already once that year, right, 181 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: just just treat it as a normal thing. Like so 182 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: if we get them to pass that law, then they 183 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: can divict anybody. 184 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 5: Right. 185 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: So on the one hand, we're like really trying to 186 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: get the supervisor studious and it's just sort of it's 187 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 4: just unknown, like how likely we are on that in 188 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 4: this moment. But then simultaneously we need to continue kind 189 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: of like educating the tenants on like on their rights 190 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 4: because they keep like as of today, management started illegally 191 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: in a racist way, targeting Spanish speaking Latino tenants telling 192 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 4: them that that they have to pick up their checks 193 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 4: right now. And Sam, you can correct it from but 194 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: it's like you have to pick up your checks by today, 195 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 4: I don't know, like next week or something. It's like 196 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: really soon or otherwise, like you don't get your relocation 197 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 4: money and then you're going to get intoviction lawsuit and 198 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 4: course spaces already as permits. Just making up all the 199 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 4: like all these things are lies. None of them they're true. 200 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say I'm white, so I actually 201 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: didn't get that notice. But you are correct that Latina 202 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: families take get that. 203 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because course spaces are racist and John Tyne 204 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 4: is a racist and Lacy Taylor's a racist, and they're 205 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: fucking evil pieces of shit. And I'm glad they're listening 206 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 4: to this and they quote me as many fucking times 207 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 4: as they want in any context. But so having to 208 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: like try to counter those all that disinformation, all those 209 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 4: lies is like this constant, like parallel process, like trying 210 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: to get the county to do stuff, but trying to 211 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 4: get people to like understand, like, no, they're lying to you, right, 212 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 4: Like while they're in this like chronic state of kind 213 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: of like PTSD, they're like where am I going to go? 214 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 4: What am I going to do? What's happening? And it's 215 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: hard for them to know who to trust because they're 216 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: being pummeled with with disinformation and rise from people with 217 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: a lot of power over them. I don't know if 218 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: you had anything else. Sorry, I kind of went off there. 219 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: No, you're you're fine, It's yeah, that's that's kind of 220 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: the way I see it as well. I guess what 221 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: I would add is if the county doesn't do something, 222 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: this is. 223 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 6: Going to be. 224 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: Horrible for the entire county of Santa Barbara, but just 225 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: California in general. I mean, you have to think of 226 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: two one hundred and forty plus units, fifty whatever. 227 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: We don't even know how many units. 228 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: There's so many units here, it's like it's insane. 229 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: This is going to be so bad. Where are these 230 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: people going to go? 231 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: If Santa Barbara has a from what I've heard, a 232 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: one to two percent vacancy rate, these these these people have, 233 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: including me as a person living here, have nowhere to go. 234 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: I'm I will be entirely forced out of the county. 235 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: Me and my partner, who holds a job here. He 236 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: works as such a livery driver. He likes his job. 237 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: It doesn't pay great, doesn't have good benefits, but he 238 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: enjoys it and he's an important part of the community. 239 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: And if all of these human beings are forced out 240 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: of here, what is that going to do to Santa Barbara? 241 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: You know who's going to who are going to be, 242 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: the teachers, the healthcare professionals, the everything. I will say 243 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: in addition to that, this is why we formed Core 244 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: Spaces Tenants Association with the help of SBTU, so that 245 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: we can not only stay together and work together as 246 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: a union to fight this, but also what core spaces 247 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: will likely do in the future. So we actually learned 248 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: from the Santa Barbara Independent. They interviewed one of the 249 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: I think it was one of the Course Basis representatives. 250 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: Who said this was they have done this forty six. 251 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: Times and this is the first time they ever got 252 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: this level of community outreach, which I was like, excuse me, 253 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: what what we know that their executives are They've previously 254 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: worked for Goldman, Sachs and Blackstone, and to find out 255 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: they've done this forty at least forty six other times 256 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: and just gotten away with it. Now we're we're not 257 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: going to keep letting that happen. And so whatever happens 258 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: here at CBC in the sweeps are four buildings, however 259 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: it turns out, and hopefully it turns out in our favor, 260 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: We're not going to stop. 261 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 3: Because they are further. 262 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: They're just going to keep continuing this and it's we 263 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: it's disgusting. We can't keep letting this shit happen. Like 264 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: someone needs to stop it. It needs to be stopped. 265 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: And if I hope that we can get legislation to 266 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: stop it, but if not, we're going to be a 267 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: fighting force and we're not yeah, we're not stopping hell yeah. 268 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 4: Oh and then I guess like, yeah, I don't think 269 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: you really said this, but like if any other tenants 270 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: that are you know, course Space as tenants wanted to 271 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: join Sam and her neighbors, right, Like that's that was 272 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 4: like you're saying Sam, Like the point was to create 273 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 4: something like they could have They could have named it 274 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: as more of a local thing like there their tendant Association, 275 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: but they chose Course Spaces as the company name. Right, 276 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 4: So like, and if you're in Arizona, if you're in Tennessee, 277 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 4: if you're in Seattle, Seattle or whatever, and you are 278 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 4: people getting renevicted by these people or or I don't know, 279 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 4: you're just students like renting by the bed, I won't 280 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 4: fix stuff or whatever, like you can join the course 281 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 4: basis then association this very well could be like a 282 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: national level organization. Like right now it's local, but it's 283 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 4: been set up to be something that could be potentially 284 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 4: national or international. Of course Bass wants to go you know, 285 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 4: Capital and those no boarders, so they want to go 286 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: fuck people up in other countries. Then you know, we 287 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 4: can pay more interpreters. I guess. 288 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess that's the thing I wanted to 289 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: close on is like, you know, tenants unions are not 290 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: composed of like some kind of like like special group 291 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: of people, right. They're just people, right, Like I did 292 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: it back when I was doing stuff right, and like 293 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: it's just it's just composed of random people. And like 294 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: that random person could very easily be you. And you know, yeah, 295 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: you're saying, like someone has to stop these people, and 296 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: if it's not going to be that, it's not going 297 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: to be you. The tenants fighting them like no one, 298 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: no one is ever going to and they're just to 299 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: keep running people over forever. 300 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: And politicians just aren't going to do this. I mean 301 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 4: acted really quickly because of the like show of force 302 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 4: from right, so they get like a cover from the constituency. 303 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: We're like, oh, we're allowed to do this, Like we 304 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 4: can do this, and or we're terrified of what will happen, 305 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 4: like will this be like another police station burnt down 306 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 4: if we pissed them off or something? Right, Like you 307 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 4: actually have to sort of like make the politicians afraid 308 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 4: of you. I mean you want to be their friends 309 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: and stuff too. I'm not very good at that I'm 310 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 4: good at like scaring them, I guess, but like you 311 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 4: have to like kind of scare them into acting. You 312 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: have to like discipline the politicians in acting. So anybody 313 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: that's like we just see more policies, it's like policies 314 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 4: don't just happen. 315 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: Like yeah, like the like the Center burd people, It's like, yeah, 316 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: they acted quickly when they were forced to, but you know, 317 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: they could have literally at any time in the entire 318 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: history of Santa Barbara, they could have just passed this, 319 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: and they didn't until until you came for. 320 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: Them, right exactly. 321 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think you're right about like 322 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: the Tennis Association, the Tennis Association being just we're random tenants. 323 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: I'm not some politician, I'm not some leader. I'm a student, 324 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: you know. I usually just spend my nights making dinner 325 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: with my cats, watching Jeopardy, Like I don't do this. 326 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 2: But the point being is when you come together as 327 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: a group, you have power in numbers. And although I 328 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: have faith that we will win against core Spaces for 329 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 2: our complex, even if we don't, we've left a huge 330 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: mark and we've helped so many residents of Santa Barbara County. 331 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: For maybe. 332 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: Landlords that we're planning to change the stove out and 333 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: not get permits, Well now they have to find a 334 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: reason to get a permit. 335 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: We've at least done that. 336 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot more that we will 337 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: do and can do, especially against core spaces and their 338 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: future endeavors their properties they decide that they want to overpay. 339 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 4: For yeah, I will throw out. Like one other resource 340 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: that is like a group that's called the Autonomous Tenants 341 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 4: Union Network, which is a network that SB two is 342 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: a part of. Just if you are if you're in 343 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 4: attendance union or you're interested in tenant organizing from anything 344 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: you've heard, they are there. It's it's like a network. 345 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 4: Like the word autonomous again is like it's people who 346 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: are sort of independent of various like you know, like nonprofits, 347 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 4: foundations and governments to just be sort of responsive just 348 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 4: to tenants themselves. So I'm not like a representative of 349 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 4: the group or au tuned, but it's a really strong 350 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 4: network of really experienced organizers that are really intent on 351 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 4: these kinds of things, right like forming like there's a 352 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 4: crisis former tenant association, like organize your whole block, like 353 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 4: get the politician to do a thing, go on rent 354 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 4: strike like whatever. Right, this more sort of militant, like 355 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 4: we desperate requires us to you know, to meet the 356 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 4: crisis where it's at and act that way. Right. So, 357 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: and there's other resources and I'm sure you can have 358 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 4: like you know, show notes and stuff, or you can 359 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 4: have links. 360 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, other places specifically people can go if they 361 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: want to help the struggle specifically. 362 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so for core spaces Tenet Association, the social media 363 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: handle is all core spaces t A. That would be 364 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: for Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok. We have a go 365 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: fundme going as well, just to pay for things like 366 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 2: you know, food for events or i don't know, printing paper, 367 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: flyering stuff like that. We also have an email that 368 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: anyone can reach us at at core spacesta at gmail dot. 369 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: Com and we will we will put all of that 370 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: in the show notes. Sounds good. Thank you to so 371 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: much for coming on, and yeah, go beat these sons 372 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: of bitches, letting us swear. 373 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: We're definitely making their lives a lot harder than. 374 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: They expected, which is kind of cool. 375 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 4: But yeah, yes. 376 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: Let's been naked up in here, and yeah, you too 377 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: can go make your landlords days worse and your day's better. 378 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: It could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 379 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 380 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: cool zonemedia dot com or check us out on the 381 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. 382 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: You listen to podcasts. 383 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 2: You can find sources for It could Happen Here, updated 384 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: monthly at cool zonemedia dot com slash sources. 385 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.