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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to a Friday here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and just about ready

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Speaker 2: to roll into Super Bowl weekend. And we got a

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Speaker 2: lot to get to obviously, the NFL honors were last night.

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Speaker 2: The Pro Football Hall of Fame class of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four was announced, and yeah, a lot of ground to cover.

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Speaker 2: We had some Bills players non for stuff. Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: most notably was a finalist for NFL MVP. He was

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Speaker 2: the only player other than Lamar Jackson to garner a

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Speaker 2: first place vote. Lamar took forty nine of the fifty

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Speaker 2: first place votes for NFL MVP. Josh Allen was the

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Speaker 2: only one to get the other one, and we came

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Speaker 2: to learn later it was Aaron Shotz, formerly a Football

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Speaker 2: Outsiders and now for FTN Network, was the lone person

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Speaker 2: who voted with a first place vote for Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: then voted Dak Prescott for his second place vote before

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Speaker 2: voting for Lamar third. So Josh because of that finished

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Speaker 2: a distant fifth in the voting. And I mean, you

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Speaker 2: can you can say whatever you want, make whatever argument

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Speaker 2: you want here. Here's my take on the MVP voting

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Speaker 2: and how it seems to go each and every year.

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Speaker 2: Some people believe that Josh finishing fifth is a complete joke.

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Speaker 2: I would put myself in that category, but we have

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Speaker 2: to ask ourselves why did that happen. Some people say

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Speaker 2: it's because of the common narrative that he has too

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Speaker 2: many turnovers, and I would imagine that that was a

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Speaker 2: factor in the way some of these people voted. But

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Speaker 2: think about when Jackson Steve was already being touted as

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Speaker 2: the MVP front runner. Where were the Bills at that time?

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Speaker 2: They were six and six at that point. Even though

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Speaker 2: I thought it was possible for the Bills to go

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Speaker 2: on a run and get in the playoffs, I knew

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Speaker 2: Allen had no shot at MVP. It's too hard for people,

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Speaker 2: specially voters, to argue for a guy for MVP when

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Speaker 2: his team is six and six or was six and six.

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Speaker 2: Can a quarterback on a six loss team be MVP?

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Speaker 2: I don't think enough voters feel comfortable saying he can.

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Speaker 2: And for me, that's where the story ends and why

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Speaker 2: the voting went the way it did. Because the Ravens

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Speaker 2: were sailing to their division title. They may have already

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Speaker 2: clinched by the time he was an MVP favorite, and

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Speaker 2: you know, they had locked up the division, they were

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Speaker 2: you know, they were careening towards the number one seed

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Speaker 2: in the AFC. And I realized these votes don't get

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Speaker 2: entered until the end of the regular season. But still

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Speaker 2: in all the trajectory of their season and him playing

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Speaker 2: well and being a big part of that, it puts

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Speaker 2: you on a path to win MVP every single year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll bet if you go back and look

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Speaker 2: the teams that had a strong record heading into the

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Speaker 2: month of December, their quarterbacks, as long as they were

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Speaker 2: playing well and were productive, were the favorites for NFL MVP.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's getting I think the recency bias is really

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Speaker 3: shown through in all of these all of these categories.

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Speaker 3: You know, who's who's playing well right at the end

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Speaker 3: or or like you said, and I get it both

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Speaker 3: and you could and listen, Lamar is a great player,

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Speaker 3: and we you know, yeah, it can't have any problem

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Speaker 3: with Lamar winning it.

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Speaker 3: Five of those guys had sensational years Josh included McCaffrey,

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Speaker 3: Dak the all of them, it's hard to not you know,

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Speaker 3: be happy with any of those guys, but with a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And I think sometimes the MVP voters kind of treat

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Speaker 3: it like it's a little bit of the Heisman Trophy

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Speaker 3: kind of thing. It used to be the best player

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Speaker 3: on the national championship team wins the Heisman, And it's kind.

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Speaker 2: Of that way in the v even though that voting

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Speaker 3: Right, And it's also and it's also in the it's

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Speaker 3: an regular season award for the pros too. In the NFL,

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Speaker 3: this voting's done before the playoffs start, so it's the

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Speaker 3: You know, Baltimore was the number one seed for the

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Speaker 3: entire season, just about if maybe they I don't know,

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Speaker 3: my mind, if you lined them up blind, you're picking

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Speaker 2: To further my argument on this, on how the trajectory

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Speaker 2: of your team's season largely impacts how people vote and

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Speaker 2: time when Josh came closest to winning the MVP. It

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Speaker 2: was in the twenty twenty season, and he lost out

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Speaker 2: to Aaron Rodgers finished second in the voting. How was

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Speaker 2: Buffalo season going that year? Yeah, they went thirteen and four. Right,

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Speaker 2: That's the closest he came to winning MVP because his

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Speaker 2: team was on a huge assent and trajectory in the

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Speaker 2: voting only because he the other guy had won one before.

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Speaker 2: That was Josh's first breakout season. Probably there was some

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Speaker 2: people saying, maybe this is just a fluke.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's that Aaron had him in touch had more touchdowns. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And they went thirteen and four.

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Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, so it was it was, you know, flip

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Speaker 3: my point, Like you can go back and dissect a

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Speaker 3: lot of UH MVP races and UH and all of

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Speaker 3: that stuff and say, you know, and you know Josh's

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Speaker 3: Josh's stats, his numbers are going to stand up against anybody's. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he just he played that well. The rushing

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Speaker 3: touchdowns were an enormous part of his game. You know,

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Speaker 3: his rushing yards, and in fact, Lamar had I think

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Speaker 3: the only place he got him. And then Josh, you know,

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Speaker 3: the turnovers and and like you said, the turnovers are

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Speaker 3: an easy crutch for people to look at and say, well, okay,

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Speaker 3: he's not good enough. And Bill's fans were saying, I

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Speaker 2: There's it's a small part of me that wonders if

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Speaker 2: this was a factor, because you talk about, you know,

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Speaker 2: what's the lasting thought in somebody's mind before they vote this,

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Speaker 2: that and the other. Late in the season, week fifteen,

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Speaker 2: Bill's host Dallas Cowboys on national television and they wipe

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Speaker 2: the floor with him thirty one to ten, and James

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Speaker 2: Cook carries the offense on national television. If anybody was

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Speaker 2: even on the fence between Lamar and Josh, they watched

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Speaker 2: that game and they say, how's josh An MVP? This

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Speaker 2: Cook kids pretty good. He didn't have to do everything.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you know, people, it's a nationally televised game,

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Speaker 2: everybody in the country sees it. I wonder if that

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Speaker 3: There might be some of that, but I just think, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what people think.

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Speaker 2: I realize we're talking about a subjective thing anyway, So

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Speaker 2: there's going to be flaws in it.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have your own way of looking at things.

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Speaker 3: Every voter is, and I don't have.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with Lamar. Yeah, a nice season, every.

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Speaker 3: Really good player, great player, deserving for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, deserving. I mean, I don't hate it, but I

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Speaker 2: just felt, and I felt this way for a long time.

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Speaker 2: It largely has to do with the trajectory of your

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Speaker 2: I think that largely shapes people's preferences and leanings when

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Speaker 2: it comes to who's getting my first place vote, who's

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Speaker 2: The bigger robbery last night was for NFL Comeback Player

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Speaker 2: of the Year. DeMar Hamlin had the most first place votes,

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Speaker 2: but he only had a total of twenty eight first

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Speaker 2: and second place votes, while Joe Flacco had thirty nine

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Speaker 2: first and second place votes, which helped him score eleven

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Speaker 2: points higher than Hamlin in the voting. So a man

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Speaker 2: who you know whose biggest accomplishment in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: fire season was coming back from his couch to lead

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Speaker 2: the Browns to the playoffs was somehow deemed a bigger

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Speaker 2: comeback than DeMar Hamlin, literally coming back from the brink

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Speaker 2: of death to not only live, but to resume his

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Speaker 2: professional football career. Now, you can slice this with a knife,

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Speaker 2: adult spoon, a bow and arrow. I don't care what

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Speaker 2: piece of equipment you got. You can't slice this awards

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Speaker 2: voting and tell me it makes sense, because it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh. I'm totally with you. And the humorous

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Speaker 3: thing about this what you read it to me? It

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Speaker 3: was off Twitter and somebody made the note it says,

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Speaker 3: apparently coming back from the brink of death is less

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Speaker 3: impressive than getting the Cleveland Browns in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sums it up. That's what the voting tells me.

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Speaker 3: He played in five games, played well, and through nineteen

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Speaker 3: thousand interceptions in that last game to lose it for him.

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Speaker 3: But he's a comeback player. And I get it too.

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Speaker 3: Even when Damar last year, I mean he was a

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Speaker 3: and off the active roster. It isn't the comeback player

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Speaker 3: sometimes we forget it. Damar, I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Damar did.

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Speaker 2: The guy was put in a medically induced coma, okay,

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Speaker 2: didn't wake up for two days, and even after he

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Speaker 2: playing field at the pro level. I mean, come on, people,

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Speaker 2: what are we voting for here?

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Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, yeah so, And I'm it's the thing too,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be little what Joe did. Joe

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Speaker 3: Flacco did, because it was it really was remarkable coming

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Speaker 3: in taking over a team and we've talked about this too.

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Speaker 3: The offensive coordinator Alex van Pelt, friend of mine and

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Speaker 3: a good player in his own right, and now it's

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Speaker 3: been a really good coach for a lot of years.

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Speaker 3: Got the Cleveland Browns of the playoffs with four different

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Speaker 3: starting quarterbacks during the regular season. It's a great story.

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Speaker 2: That's why Kevin Stefanski won Coach of the Year, right,

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Speaker 2: So they were properly recognized that way.

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Speaker 3: And of course then after getting the and this is

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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Brownsiest thing ever. After getting the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 3: to the playoffs with four different starting quarterbacks, they fire

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Speaker 3: the guy who is offensive coordinator. Now with all those guys,

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Speaker 3: it's the Brownsiest thing ever. And now their coach gets

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Speaker 3: Coach of the Year and their quarterback, the last quarterback

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Speaker 3: who took over, yeah, it gets the comeback Player of

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Speaker 3: the Year because he said no to a veteran minimum

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Speaker 3: deal that somebody else offered him and he said yes

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Speaker 3: to the Cleveland Browns. That's what he came back from.

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Speaker 2: So you want to you want to call Flacco's efforts remarkable,

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Speaker 2: that's fine.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: Want to give it that moniker, That's fine. It wasn't miraculous.

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Speaker 2: It's because that's what Deamar Hamlin's comeback was. I tweeled

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Speaker 2: last night. Comeback was miraculous, miraculous. How that is not

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Speaker 2: how he is not comeback Player of the Year stupefies me.

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Speaker 3: It's just one more thing that that puts the NFL

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Speaker 3: above and beyond other other sports. They do everything the

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Speaker 3: right way and then the right timing. It's been it's

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Speaker 3: fun that I I tell everybody you know, I've told

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Speaker 3: you I've never been to Vegas.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm fine with that right now. I even the super

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Speaker 3: Bowl be in there. This I'm like Yeah, I don't know, Man,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I might You know, if we had

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Speaker 3: to go out to Vegas for an entire week, all

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Speaker 3: my friends who've been there say, no, three days, man,

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Speaker 3: max three days and get out a week. Might Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you and I might never get it. Could we might

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Speaker 3: be you know, permanently scarred.

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Speaker 2: Turn into vagrants the rest of our lives. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: never know. They call it sin City for a reason.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we also have to remind you it is obl

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Speaker 2: fan Friday mail Bag. Any question on your mind about

449
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Speaker 2: the Bills, the league, free agency, the draft, whatever you

450
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Speaker 2: got on your scope there that you want to ask,

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Speaker 2: feel free to do that at eight O three oh

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Speaker 2: five fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five

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Speaker 2: fifty the number to get on board. We also wouldn't

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Speaker 2: mind taking your best swing at what you think is

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Speaker 2: going to be the difference in Sunday Super Bowl. So

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Speaker 2: if you have a pick and you feel that there

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Speaker 2: is going to be a deciding factor in this game

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Speaker 2: to determine the winner, you let us know what that

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Speaker 2: is as well. Eight O three oh five fifty one

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Speaker 2: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty the number

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Speaker 2: to get on board. But let's go to the phones,

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Speaker 2: and we lead off with Bob in Hamburg today. What

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Speaker 2: do you got for is Bob?

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Speaker 4: I am pissed that man is the best specialty football

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Speaker 4: player in the league and he's not even in all

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame and they put that kickoff on return man.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy. I'm sorry, Steve, you should be in there,

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Speaker 4: no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll say yeah, like I said, Like I said, Bob,

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Speaker 3: the guys they're putting in, it's hard. It's hard not

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Speaker 3: to put him in. Those guys all deserve it, even

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Speaker 3: the guy, the old timers guy, the Randy gratischar what

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Speaker 3: a guy. So I appreciate it. But yeah, Devin Hester

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Speaker 3: was I mean, let's face it. I mean, you talk

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Speaker 3: about moments in the NFL, let me just give you

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Speaker 3: a couple for one for Devin Hester. In the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: the Bears played against the Indianapolis Colts. There was a

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Speaker 3: lot of talk about Devin Hester being the kick returner

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Speaker 3: and the Colts. You know, and you come into those

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Speaker 3: games with a team, and I was on these teams.

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Speaker 3: So the Bears show up to this game and the

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Speaker 3: Colts show up and they're very confident. Both those clubs

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Speaker 3: are very confident, and Tony Dungee, the head coach of

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Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts, is sitting there going, now, we're gonna,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna kick it. We're gonna play football, and we're

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Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna kick it of the guy. I trust

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Speaker 3: my players. So the opening kickoff goes to Devin Hester

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Speaker 3: and he takes it back the distance opening kickoff of

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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. The guy catches it and goes when

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Speaker 3: everybody in the stadium knows that's the guy, right, that's

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Speaker 3: something special, and that's the kind of player he was

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Speaker 3: as a kick return guy. So I'm don't don't be

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Speaker 3: you know, don't have anything, don't have anything against Devin Hester.

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Speaker 3: It's not I mean, he's not the guy. Respond about him,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it's not about him. He deserves it. And

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Speaker 3: that's the same thing with the other six guys in

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Speaker 3: his class. These guys are phenomenal, some of I played against.

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Speaker 3: They're really good. So it yeah, it's it's awesome and

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Speaker 3: and yeah, so I'm I appreciate it, Bob, But yeah,

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Speaker 3: don't let it upset you.

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Speaker 2: Crazy thing is nobody's touching that record, not with the

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Speaker 2: way kick off. Oh no, not with the way kickoff

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Speaker 2: rules are. Now, that's right, you don't have a snowballs

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Speaker 2: chance in hell of catching Devin Hester. Yeah, all time

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Speaker 2: return for touchdown record, I mean nineteen, who's coming up

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Speaker 2: with nineteen in a career.

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Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. You never say never obviously, but

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Speaker 3: under the current rules, no way, nobody's touching. But if

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Speaker 3: they tinker with the rules further to make it more dangerous,

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Speaker 3: there could be a guy that comes up and has

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Speaker 3: you know, fifty because they say, listen, we're gonna start

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Speaker 3: doing this. We got to do this different, and they

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Speaker 3: may make it so safe that it's difficult to defend.

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Speaker 3: That's just that's that's on the other side of the spectrum.

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Speaker 3: I doubt that will happen, and certainly, certainly it's hard

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Speaker 3: to envision it. But that's the only way, that's the

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Speaker 3: only way that record ever gets a snick.

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Speaker 2: Because there has been talked that the Competition Committee is

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Speaker 2: going to take a look at the XFL's kickoff rules,

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Speaker 2: which basically have the coverage team and the kickoff team

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Speaker 2: ten yards away from each other down at the return

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Speaker 2: end of the field, and it's a tag up situation

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Speaker 2: like in baseball, coverage team can't move from their assigned spot.

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Speaker 2: Neither can the return team blockers until the return man

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Speaker 2: catches the ball, and then that releases the coverage team

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Speaker 2: from their spot. But they're only ten yards away from

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Speaker 2: the return team. It seems like it's got some traction.

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Speaker 2: Does that make returning kicks easier? I don't know that

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Speaker 2: it does.

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Speaker 3: Make interesting, though safer doesn't necessarily mean easier.

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Speaker 2: Reduces the force of the collisions for sure, because there's

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Speaker 2: less run up time.

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Speaker 3: See, but that's what I'm talking about. You're right that

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Speaker 3: Devin Hester's record looks safer now than any other record

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Speaker 3: in the league, any other league record, But because they

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Speaker 3: started to tinker with those rules and continue to do that,

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Speaker 3: it may become vulnerable years away when they say, okay,

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Speaker 3: now we're going to do this, and like one out

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Speaker 3: of every ten kickoffs is returned, you know, then you

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Speaker 3: got a chance at it.

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Speaker 2: It is obl Friday Fan mail Bag. Any question you

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Speaker 2: got on the bills, the league, free agency, the draft,

543
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: Fire them off at us at eighth three zero five

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Speaker 2: to fifty. Got to take a break here, but more

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Speaker 2: your phone calls when we come back. Cindy in Niagara Falls,

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Speaker 2: Richard and Buffalo. We'll get to you when we return

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Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live, presented by Kill Out of

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Speaker 2: Health's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here on a

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Speaker 2: Friday on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you,

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Speaker 2: and we got to get right back to the phones

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Speaker 2: as a it's an obl Friday fan mail bag, and

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Speaker 2: we go to Sydney in Niagara Falls.

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Speaker 5: What's up Sydney, Hi, guys, thanks for your show. You

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Speaker 5: do great job. First off, I'd liked I watched the

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Speaker 5: NFL Awards last night and you know what, they had

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Speaker 5: a quick shot at Josh Allen for MVP. I think

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Speaker 5: the press and they really influence what people are voting for.

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Speaker 5: Davar Hamlin and like you said, you know, the whole

559
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 5: country was crying and praying for him during his yes

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Speaker 5: down on the field. And you know what, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: I'm so sick of hearing about Flacco getting off his

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Speaker 5: mother and father couch to come and play in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: I don't care. That doesn't it doesn't even compare to

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Speaker 5: what Damar Hamlin went through. Yeah, well, so, I just

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Speaker 5: don't think that the NFL pays enough accolades to the

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Speaker 5: Buffalo Bills and it's getting old.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. You said something about the media

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Speaker 3: doing this. It's the media who votes on these things.

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Speaker 2: Majority of media members are the voters.

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Speaker 3: It's nationally accredited media members. It's hard to get not

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Speaker 3: just anybody gets a vote.

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Speaker 2: Do you know who votes? Now? Tom Brady for Fox Sports, Oh,

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Speaker 2: there you go, he gotta vote. He got a vote,

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Speaker 2: so I guess they feel he's plugged in. I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he knows.

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Speaker 2: And Emmanuel I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 3: Emmanuelo's got him.

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Speaker 2: Manuelacho has got a vote from FS one. I guess

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Speaker 2: he voted for Tua since he called him the best

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Speaker 2: player in the AFC back in September. Do you remember that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure his MVP vote was for Tua this year

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Speaker 2: first place vote. There.

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Speaker 3: Listen. It's hard to get it right, but you know,

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Speaker 3: I think in the Comeback Player of the Year, de

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Speaker 3: bar did as much as he couldn't make it easy.

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Speaker 2: They got that one wrong. And we're in the second

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Speaker 2: hour of the show. We're gonna have Judy patiz To

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Speaker 2: joining us from NFL Network. She was kind of wondering

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Speaker 2: about how the voting went as well. She does not

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Speaker 2: have a vote, by the way, but I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna look to her to enlighten us on an expert

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Speaker 2: a nation for that one, because it defies logic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say this to Damar did get the

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Speaker 3: most first place votes. I don't know how you vote

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Speaker 3: for him third, but some people did, so there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get back to the phones at eight o

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Speaker 2: three five point fifty one eighty eight five fifty two,

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Speaker 2: five fifty and we go to Richard in Buffalo. Next.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 6: Richard?

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Speaker 7: Hey, this is rich addition out of here. Driving around

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Speaker 7: West Coast, New York, Buffalo. I'm looking at the draft.

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Speaker 7: I know we need receivers, I know we need some

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Speaker 7: line up, we need some safety, something like that. But

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Speaker 7: I'm thinking, what about that Rice kid, Like Jerry Rice.

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Speaker 7: I think I'm not mistaken when he came in to

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Speaker 7: the draft, they said, you know, he wasn't the fastest

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Speaker 7: guy and this and that he turned out me in

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Speaker 7: the best ever. So I'm wondering if that's the same

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Speaker 7: case with the kid. He know anything about him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was at the senior ball so I got

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Speaker 2: an extensive look at him next week because he factored

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Speaker 2: in well. I will say this at the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 2: when they run those drills where it's one on one

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Speaker 2: receiver versus corner, it's really not fair for the corner

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Speaker 2: because the receiver's got the whole field to work with

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Speaker 2: to create separation. All that being said, though I think

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Speaker 2: Rice is a solid prospect. I don't know that he's

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Speaker 2: an elite prospect. But to your point, they did say

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Speaker 2: the same thing about Jerry Rice. I think he could

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Speaker 2: be a successful NFL player, but I do want to

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Speaker 2: see more. I think these are the things that are

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Speaker 2: impressive about him. Physical. He is a physical receiver six

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Speaker 2: two two twelve, yeah, and he uses all of it.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that I noticed on the routes he

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Speaker 2: was running at the Senior Bowl, particularly in the game,

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Speaker 2: he has got this technique down and you can speak

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Speaker 2: to this better than I can, Steve, but right near

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Speaker 2: the end of the route, when the ball is on

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Speaker 2: the way, he is so good on downfield routes leaning

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Speaker 2: into the corner to widen the space between him and

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Speaker 2: the corner to create separation down the sideline. He's really

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Speaker 2: good at just doing that subtle little lean into the

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Speaker 2: corner to kind of knock him away and then come

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Speaker 2: back to the ball and make the catch over his shoulder.

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Speaker 2: Good route runner too, pretty pretty sharp in his route running, polish.

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Speaker 2: I think those are the good things about him. But

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Speaker 2: he's been called like a Day two prospect by most

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Speaker 2: of the experts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's the same. And I think

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Speaker 3: the probably the knock on him would probably be like

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Speaker 3: a combination of things where he's just not I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's he's on this side. I'm looking at it looks

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Speaker 3: like he runs a four three eight forty. That's way

646
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: fast enough. At six two twelve, that's frighteningly fast unless

647
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: he can't catch. It's hard to poke a hole in

648
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: him just looking at the numbers. But there's but there

649
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: you have it. He's a Day two prospect. And I

650
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: know I'll say this too. If he works half as

651
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: hard as his dad worked to be good, he is

652
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: gonna be good, really Good's that's where Jerry was different.

653
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: I mean, Jerry, there was like nine guys who were

654
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: There's like nine thousand guys who were better athletes or bigger, stronger,

655
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: fight you name it. But there was like zero guys

656
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: who worked harder than he did. Plus that stuff, the

657
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: techniques and stuff. Jerry Rice was a guy who his

658
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: dad was a guy who knew how to give a

659
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: quarterback what he was looking for to get the ball.

660
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: And Montana loved it, and so did Steve Young. He

661
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: just had a knack for making a quarterback believe he

662
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: was open and knew where he wanted the ball. And

663
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's hard to explain, but

664
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Speaker 3: some quarterbacks have favorite guys because when they look at him,

665
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: they know exactly what the guy's doing and where he

666
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: wants the football and he's got enough space to get

667
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: it in there. There's a lot in that and that's

668
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: why Jerry was good. Now, this guy, obviously people are

669
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: looking for some more stuff out of him, but physically

670
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 3: the guy looks like he's gotta hand, you know, both handsful.

671
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of the scouting experts project him to

672
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: a slot role because they say he doesn't have the

673
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: long speed to win outside consistently. But they'd say for

674
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: a man his size six two two twelve, he has

675
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: very good short area quickness that obviously helps you in

676
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: the slot where you have a two way go so

677
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: they feel that he can maximize his game inside rather

678
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: than outside. And because he has good athleticism, not elite athleticism,

679
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 2: that's why people are projecting him to the latter stages

680
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: of Day two. And what is a stacked receiver class,

681
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: so that that's probably hurting him too, the fact that

682
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: there are so many good receivers uh in this year's class.

683
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones and we go to

684
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: John in Buffalo. Next, what's up John? Twelve?

685
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 4: John?

686
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: Pick up? Turn your radio down, slot. I gotta put

687
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: him on a hold here and get back to him.

688
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: Who we have up next year? I think we have

689
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: Kevin and Hamburg? Next? What's up Kevin? Kevin? Are you there?

690
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 8: Yeah?

691
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: Hello, Yep, you're up Kevin for us.

692
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Speaker 8: I just want to talk to you about the draft

693
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 8: coming up real fast. I saw in one of those

694
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 8: drafts after the championship weekend was over. I can't remember

695
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 8: whose draft he was, and we are talking about receivers,

696
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 8: the Bills getting maybe to head him to the Bills

697
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 8: some receiver from Texas named Mitchell, but I can't remember

698
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 8: his first.

699
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: Name, ad Mitchell ad Yeah, And I.

700
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Speaker 8: Watched him in the Long Horne spanking of Alabama when

701
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 8: he beat in my seventeen points. Whoever he smoked. You

702
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 8: don't usually smoke Nick Stamons de Benz really much, but

703
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 8: he smoked them like he looked like a Jerry Rice

704
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 8: with at horn helman on. He smoked them bad, and

705
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 8: you don't really smoke Nick stamon defense bad. And there's

706
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 8: one other thing I want to say. Remember you're talking

707
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 8: about the eighty five Bears defense in the Hall of Famers.

708
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Speaker 8: There's one guy I like to see on. Do you

709
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 8: remember Gary.

710
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: Fencik, Yes, yeah, safety.

711
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, the safety. I like the scene because I remember

712
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 8: you always come about the eighty five Bear and how

713
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 8: good they were. But he played on some pretty vomitist

714
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 8: teams that were ever heard of, the forty six defense,

715
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 8: and he played good, but they were so putrid. I'd

716
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 8: like to see if anyone gets on that defense him.

717
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 8: He was good. But you know they always talk about

718
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 8: Singletary of the guys you mentioned, and even Leslie Frader,

719
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 8: a former coordinator, but Gary Fencik. If I was putting

720
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 8: a guy for that defense, I'd put him on because

721
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 8: he played really good even in the vomitist years.

722
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Speaker 3: And the Bears, yeah, they they yeah, you're right. They

723
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: had some really great players, Doug Fenzick, and I think

724
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: it was Doug Plank as well, or Doug Plank was

725
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: another good safety on the age, Dave Doorson of WILBURM.

726
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: Marshall and of course Refrigerator Perry, a ton of They

727
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: had some I mean, you knew everybody on that Decis Wilson,

728
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: Otis Wilson was a was an animal on that defense.

729
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: They had some. They had some truly great players. And

730
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Speaker 3: I and and I get it. It was a forty

731
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Speaker 3: six defense. It was a different look and they ran

732
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 3: it different than anybody had ever run a defense before.

733
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: Buddy Ryan got a lot of kudos for coming up

734
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: with the concept and and it it was a little

735
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: bit of a technological advance. Well, let me tell you something.

736
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Speaker 3: It's it's great and all that. And you know who

737
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: else Jeff Fisher was on that. It was an ir

738
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Speaker 3: on that team in eighty five. He was That's where

739
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 3: he began to cut his coaching teeth under Buddy Ryan.

740
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Speaker 3: As good as that forty six defense was, and the

741
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Speaker 3: concept and how cool and unique it was, they ran

742
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: two outside linebackers stand up outside linebackers over the tight end,

743
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: and they had one defensive end with his hand on

744
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: the ground on the other side, on the weak side.

745
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: That was that was the big defensive end like the

746
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: Hall of Famers. Richard Richard Dent was on the other

747
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: with his handle the ground. So they got all this stuff.

748
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 3: But U and I know, I'm you know, I'm kind

749
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: of showing my bias. It was a player's defense. Buddy

750
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: Ryan was great. It was a great technological advance. It

751
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: was a great look. But Richard Dent, Mike Singletary, you know,

752
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: Fensic Plank, Doerson, Wilbrim, Marshall, the Refrigerator, Perry, you know,

753
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: Dan Hampton. Those are the That was the defense. You

754
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: could have run any defense you wanted with those jokers.

755
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: They were good, they were talented, and they were nasty.

756
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: And Mike Singletary, it was him running that thing on

757
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 3: the field, making checks that really made the thing work.

758
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: So as good as that defense was, it wasn't just

759
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: a it wasn't just a unique way to play defense.

760
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: It was a bunch of guys who were unique.

761
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll just say quickly on a d Mitchell,

762
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: just for a little more on him, because Kevin asked, uh,

763
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: he's like six to one one ninety six four one

764
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: ninety six, so it has the length and size you

765
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: want outside. And people may not know this, but he

766
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 2: was a transfer from Georgia, went there as a three

767
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: star recruit after they won their first title national title.

768
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: Was on the title team in twenty twenty two, and

769
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: flat out was a touchdown maker. Flat out touchdown maker

770
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: had a big touchdown. I want to say it was

771
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: either in the in the national semi final. I think

772
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: it was the National semi final, big touchdown in that game.

773
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: So you know he can play in the clutch. And

774
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: then he transferred to Texas and people say, oh, he

775
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: wanted more involvement in the offense. It wasn't that he

776
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: transferred to Texas because that's where his son is. He's

777
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: got a young boy. Because he's from Texas. He wanted

778
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: to be closer to his son. That is the main

779
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: impetus for why he transferred from Georgia to Texas. It's like,

780
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: why would you leave a national title team, especially when

781
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a bigger role. He did it so

782
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: he could be closer to his son, which I think

783
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: speaks a little bit to his character as well. But

784
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: then had a very productive season and a brand new

785
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: offense in just one year in the SEC. So I

786
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: like him as a player, and I think this is

787
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: one of those guys who's going to be further down

788
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: the board because of how deep the talent is at receiver.

789
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: In this draft, you get this kid, I think he's

790
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: gonna be very happy. Long angular guy, runs good routes,

791
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: catches in traffic. Just from watching Georgia football, I've seen

792
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: a lot of him, So you could do a lot

793
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: worse than a d Mitchell. I think it would be

794
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: a good addition for Buffalo's roster, if not at the

795
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: top of the draft, maybe later on Day two. Break

796
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: time for us more of your phone calls. Next here

797
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live. Stay tuned. All right, fact, we

798
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Speaker 2: are here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

799
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Speaker 2: with you, and back to the phones we go, and

800
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Speaker 2: to Ellie It in Rochester. What do you got for his? Elliott?

801
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Speaker 9: By Christ and Steve. Few things here, First, one a

802
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 9: d Mitchell. I watched him tear it up versus Nick

803
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 9: Saban versus Alabama and then in the Cotton Bowl against Washington.

804
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 9: Would be nice to have a guy like him or

805
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 9: Troy Franklin. Great speed. For the love of all that

806
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 9: is holy and righteous, get Josh Allen another weapon. The

807
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 9: second thing speaking of Josh Allen is Josh Allen fifth

808
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 9: in the MVP voting is a certifiable abomination. Because I

809
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 9: can understand, all due respect Lamar Jackson him getting first

810
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 9: place in the voting. I can go to sleep at

811
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 9: night with that. But I mean, this is a guy

812
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 9: who the entire media was clowning all off season about

813
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 9: not having an agent. He can't play, he's two injury prone.

814
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 9: So in my opinion, they had a lot of saving

815
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 9: face to do. If you ask me, I just think,

816
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 9: if you take a guy like Josh Allen and change

817
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 9: his name to Patrick Mahomes, you keep the same stats,

818
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 9: you keep the same supporting cast around him. I think

819
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 9: there's an argument to be made that the media voters

820
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 9: would have voted Josh Allen MVP. You know what I'm saying,

821
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 9: because I mean a lot of people look at the

822
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 9: Bills and say, this is a team that might have

823
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 9: won four games five games without a guy like Josh Allen.

824
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 9: And now, yeah, I get you can make that argument

825
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 9: with a lot of people. But Lamar Jackson had the

826
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 9: best defense in the league. I mean, if you threw

827
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 9: in snow Puntley or Tyler Huntley, that's a team that

828
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 9: could still potentially be in playoff contention. So that's my

829
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 9: thoughts there. As far as the Super Bowl goes, I

830
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 9: think it comes down to whether Rock Perdy loved the kid,

831
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 9: if he can handle himself in that big moment, if

832
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 9: the pressure is not too much for him, you know,

833
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 9: if the Chiefs defense can't make him crumble, I think

834
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 9: it's up to him to be able to keep his

835
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 9: head in it. That's my thoughts. Guys, Thank you so much.

836
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 9: Listen then, all.

837
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, thanks for the call.

838
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're echoing in the thoughts about the You're

839
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: echoing the thoughts of a lot of Bills fans today

840
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: about Josh and how he stacks up against embarrassed. I

841
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: get it, you're and we you know, obviously all Bills

842
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: fans are going to agree with you, just like most

843
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 3: Dallas fans today are wishing Dak would have been higher

844
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: in the whatever. That's the way it is. When your

845
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: guy doesn't win, you kind of wish you would have

846
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: and that's where we live.

847
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, but Elliott's only issue was the fact that

848
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: he was fifth. I mean, that's an abomination in his words,

849
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: and I think he's bang on with that. He should

850
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: not be fifth. I'm sorry.

851
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: I agree.

852
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: He's one of the three best quarterbacks in football, if

853
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: not the best ie in terms of talent, and he's

854
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: had a fair amount of success in this league, made

855
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: the playoffs every year except one that he's been a starter.

856
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: So I mean, call it what you will, but fifth

857
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. It's just ridiculous. Let's go to Mark in Jersey.

858
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 6: What do we got Mark, Good afternoon, gentlemen. Before you

859
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 6: it's my point, Steve. You won't stump for yourself, but

860
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 6: I'll stump for you. The play that you made at

861
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 6: Raiders ninety three. I don't know what Jager was doing

862
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 6: on the kickoff, but somehow it ended up in your

863
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 6: hands and you changed the flow of the game because

864
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 6: the Bills could do nothing on offense. I believe Davis

865
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 6: ends up doing one of this patented goal line touchdown leaps,

866
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 6: but that play always stuck with me. And I've never

867
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 6: seen a player like you make more tackles and force fumbles,

868
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 6: block kicks and come in and just salvage what you

869
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 6: could from a depleted receiving corps ninety five and ninety six.

870
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 6: You're a Hall of Famer, so I'll say it for you.

871
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 6: I remember when Hearts was a lock for the MVP.

872
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 6: After the Bills lost in Philly before the bye week,

873
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 6: he runs in. You know, everybody's like, you know, down

874
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 6: on the Bills and they're talking about how they saw

875
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 6: that defense and they knew what they were in and

876
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 6: you know, it was on the heels of the article

877
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 6: and Hurts was a lock for him. And the way

878
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 6: they fell I think they were ten and one at

879
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 6: the time or eleven and one.

880
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 3: Just fell off.

881
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 6: They fell off a cliff. And I don't even know

882
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 6: what his voting status was yesterday. The NFL has never

883
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 6: seen a player like Josh Allen at quarterback ever. You know,

884
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 6: he gets tagged with the turnovers and everything like that.

885
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 6: Peyton Manning had more turnovers in his first five years

886
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 6: and he's universally seen as the best quarterback prospect in

887
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 6: the last thirty years. So was Andrew Luck. He had

888
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 6: more turnovers than Josh Josh with the accuracy, Andrew Luck

889
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 6: was never as accurate as Josh. Ever. Go look at

890
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 6: his first five years. So I just there's certain people

891
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 6: who get anointed as the golden child from day one

892
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 6: and they just stay there. And Josh was seen as,

893
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 6: you know, the parody of the quarterback prospects. Sorry for

894
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 6: my long winded rant, but Steve, you're Hall of Famer

895
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 6: and thanks for taking my call.

896
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: Guys. Sure well thanks.

897
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: All I can say thanks for the stuff you said.

898
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. All I can say it was it

899
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: was fun while it lasted. I was fun. It was

900
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: fun to be on that team and fun to be

901
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 3: a part of the NFL for as long as I was,

902
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 3: and I love watching him play now. I was some

903
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: guys last night and they said, hey, I don't know

904
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: if you want I don't want to. I know you

905
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: don't want to talk about football. I go listen. It's

906
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: one of my favorite things to do. So yeah, go ahead,

907
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: So yeah it You're right. Josh has always been a

908
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 3: polarizing figure at quarterback and it's not going to stop.

909
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: People were so over the top critical of him when

910
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: he came out. They feel bad about now being made

911
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: to look like they were completely wrong. I mean, famously,

912
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 3: you got guys, go and listen if Josh Allen turns

913
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: out to be good. The Bills have basically outsmarted the

914
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: entire universe and outsmarted all of math, you know. So

915
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: it's like it was mathematically impossible for Josh to beanny good.

916
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: People were saying stuff like that and now they can't.

917
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: They cannot stand that they were absolutely wrong. There's some

918
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: of that still out there for Josh.

919
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 6: You know.

920
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: The best way about it is just keep on keeping on.

921
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 3: And I hate to say keep winning.

922
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: I said it on our podcast this week. He's got

923
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: to win a title to erase the narrative that's out

924
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: there on him. It's not going to change. I hate

925
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: to say it until he wins a title. And just

926
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: to answer Mark's question, where did Jalen hurt show up

927
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: in the MVP voting? Nowhere. He didn't get a single vote,

928
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: not for first, second, third, fourth, or fifth place. Miles

929
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 2: Garrett got a fifth place vote for NFL MVP. Jalen

930
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: Hurts got none. My point that I was trying to

931
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 2: make earlier in the show is that people had already

932
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 2: made their mind up on Josh Allen in week thirteen,

933
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: when the team was six and six. In their mind,

934
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: he was not an MVP for them, and that's where

935
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: it was as far as I see it. Got to

936
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: take a break. But Hour number two begins with NFL

937
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 2: Networks Judy Battista, who actually talked to this guy in

938
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: my left about a story she recently wrote about Super

939
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: Bowl rematches, which we have this year with San Francisco

940
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: and Kansas City. We'll catch up with Judy next here

941
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health. It's Buffalo

942
00:51:10,320 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: Bills Radio.

943
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: The One Bills Live presented by Kaleida Health.

944
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: All Right, Hour number two on a Friday, Chris Brown,

945
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you, and please to be joined now

946
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: by NFL columnist and reporter for the NFL Network one,

947
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: Judy Batista, joining us and sharing some of her very

948
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: very busy week out at the super Bowl with us. So, Judy,

949
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 2: appreciate you doing that for us. With the super Bowl

950
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: on deck here in just a couple of days, I

951
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: want to begin with the NFL Honors. I know you

952
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: tweeted as much about this, so I'll start right here.

953
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: The comeback player of the Year, Judy, as Steve said

954
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: himself and probably said it best, nobody came back from

955
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: more than DeMar Hamlin did last year, and yet the

956
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: guy that played in six games for the Browns and

957
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: led them to the playoffs, which has its merits no

958
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: debate about that, wins NFL Comeback Player of the Year

959
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: by virtue of a hefty number of second place votes

960
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: which kind of put him over the top. And the

961
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: point totaling by the Association press. Where did that voting

962
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: leave you?

963
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 10: I was shocked, I mean shocked. I don't know. First

964
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 10: of all, my DeMar Hamlin was my Comeback Player of

965
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 10: the Year from the second he stepped on a practice

966
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 10: field again, right like, as soon as he got back

967
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 10: to practice, I was like, that's enough for me. Nobody

968
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 10: came back from a more obviously from a more dire

969
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 10: circumstance than he did. And the you know, he has

970
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 10: been very candid. I think Sean has talked about like

971
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 10: sort of not just the physical recovery, but mentally what

972
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 10: it takes to get back on a football field after

973
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 10: being stricken on it. I was shocked by the vote,

974
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 10: and that is taking nothing away from Joe Flaccow at all,

975
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 10: who I think everybody agrees it was a great story

976
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 10: this year and performed really well coming off the sofa.

977
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 10: So it's taking nothing away from Joe, But to me,

978
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 10: DeMar Hamlin is clearly the comeback player of the Year

979
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 10: and one of the most markable stories in NFL history.

980
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: Are there any other of the awards, off the top

981
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: of your head that were head scratchers for you?

982
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 8: No?

983
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 10: I mean, look, Kevin Stefanski, I have no problem with

984
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 10: winning Coach of the Year. I probably at the end,

985
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 10: I probably thought Damika Ryans probably got the edge just

986
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 10: because he, you know, he got the team into the playoffs,

987
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,959
Speaker 10: a rookie head coach with a rookie quarterback. But Kevin

988
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 10: Stefanski I have no problem with that one. I mean,

989
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 10: you know, he had five different quarterbacks and they still

990
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 10: made it to the playoffs. So that's a pretty hefty

991
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 10: coaching job too. Nothing else jumps out to me, you know,

992
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 10: beyond Comeback Player of the Year, Some of them I

993
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 10: were really I was thrilled for Cam Hayward being the

994
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 10: Walter Payton Man of the Year. He has been active

995
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 10: for so very long in the community and done so

996
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 10: much good work. I was thrilled to see him recognized.

997
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we you know, obviously there are some very very

998
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: biased bills fans that I don't know that they're terribly

999
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 2: annoyed by Lamar winning it. Lamar certainly had a strong season.

1000
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: I think they're more irk that Josh was fifth. I

1001
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: think that's what the bone of contention is there. And

1002
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, we can argue the merits of the voting

1003
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: for this award as much as we want, Judy, the

1004
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: place where I come down is it seems, at least

1005
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 2: in the recent years, that the trajectory of an MVP

1006
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: candidate's team's one loss record seems to factor into the

1007
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: decisions that are made. And there's a part of me

1008
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: that wonders once the Bills got to Week thirteen with

1009
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: a six and six record, I tend to believe that

1010
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people wrote Josh allen Off as a

1011
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: true MVP candidate because they probably say to themselves, how

1012
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: can an MVP be on a six loss football team.

1013
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 10: It's interesting because I think that might also be an

1014
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 10: issue with the DeMar Hamlin situation. Is his story was

1015
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 10: so dominant in the early part of the season, right

1016
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 10: that then you know, it didn't have the urgency at

1017
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 10: the end, and so to keep it fresh in everybody's mind,

1018
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 10: and I sort of wonder if you know, I would

1019
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 10: agree with you that I think, you know, the fact

1020
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 10: that the Bills struggled in the first you know, half

1021
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 10: two thirds of the season, and then I mean they

1022
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 10: were incredibly hot at the end, but and he was

1023
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 10: incredibly hot at the end. But I do wonder, you know,

1024
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 10: I mean, opinions start to form then too, and I

1025
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 10: wonder if that probably kept him down in the voting.

1026
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 10: I'll be honest about this, I don't know how the

1027
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 10: point total works. Like, if you have Josh Allen, you know,

1028
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 10: second on your ballot, how does that get him in

1029
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 10: the rankings when all of the ballots are counted together.

1030
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 10: So so I don't know how that's factored in. But

1031
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 10: I you know, I think certainly by the end he

1032
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 10: was higher than five. I mean the other thing, and

1033
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 10: this is a much bigger conversation, is clearly the MVP

1034
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 10: Award is now a quarterback a word, right, and certainly

1035
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 10: there are players in the league who are extremely important

1036
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 10: to should be considered for MVP as well who are

1037
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 10: not quarterbacks.

1038
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: And as we as we roll into you know, this postseason,

1039
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: the end of this this last season, and you think

1040
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: about the you know, the stories that happened during this season,

1041
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: everything from off the field stuff like Taylor Swift to

1042
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 3: the on the field stuff where you know you have

1043
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: eight coaching changes. Now that's the coaching world win of

1044
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: the off season that we kind of come to accustomed to.

1045
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 3: What's the is there? Can you give us a handful

1046
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 3: of things that you were about this season that kind

1047
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: of strike you at this point looking back saying Wow,

1048
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: I can't believe that happened.

1049
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 10: Well, the Taylor Swift phenomenon, I don't think is anything

1050
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 10: anybody could have imagined. And I think it's all good.

1051
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 10: Like I'm sort of confused by the issue people have

1052
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 10: with it. It has brought a lot of viewers, a

1053
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 10: lot of interest to the NFL that might not have

1054
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 10: been there before. A lot of it as women and

1055
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 10: young girls. And that's phenomenal because that is an audience

1056
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 10: that the NFL needs to work hard to capture and

1057
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 10: to retain. It's been amazing and I could tell you

1058
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 10: being here this week at the Super Bowl. Travis Kelcey,

1059
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 10: I mean he's obviously a Hall of Fame player. I

1060
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 10: mean he is a cultural phenomenon right now. At Opening Night,

1061
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 10: I was walking by Travis Kelsey had more reporters around

1062
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 10: him than Patrick Mahomes who was right next to him,

1063
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 10: So you know, Travis Kelcey has sort of has gone

1064
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 10: up in cultural awareness. So that story was amazing. I

1065
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 10: think this was the year of the backup quarterback. I mean,

1066
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 10: which is good and bad terrible that so many starting

1067
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 10: quarterbacks suffered injuries that kept him off the field, But

1068
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 10: it provided a lot of really fascinating stories and sort

1069
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 10: of and great stories of resilience for teams managing to

1070
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 10: do it. We just talked about the Cleveland Browns got

1071
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 10: to the Clayffs using five different quarterbacks, right, I mean,

1072
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Speaker 10: that is just nuts. The Vikings made a run at

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Speaker 10: it with all of their backup quarterbacks. So this to

1074
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 10: me was the year of the backup quarterback. I'm sure

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00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 10: the NFL looks at this and thinks like, well, let's

1076
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 10: never have another year where this many starting quarterbacks are

1077
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 10: off the field.

1078
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Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, spinning it forward to the game on Sunday,

1079
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: you astutely pointed out in a right up yet on

1080
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: NFL dot Com this week called same cars, different license plates.

1081
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: Forty nine ers. Chiefs face the unique experience of a

1082
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: Super Bowl rematch. If I remember right after reading it.

1083
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: This is the fourth time that we have a rematch

1084
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: between two teams that have squared off in the recent

1085
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: past against one another.

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Speaker 10: What do you and with the same head coaches.

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00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: Yes, and with the same head coaches. Thank you for

1088
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 2: clarifying that what do you feel is the most important

1089
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: thing that we should pull out of this rematch this

1090
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: time around that you learned from digging into some of

1091
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: the previous ones.

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Speaker 10: You know, so in the three previous ones, this will

1093
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 10: be the fourth, and the three previous ones, the winner

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00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 10: of the first game also won the second, which is

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01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 10: probably not that big a surprise because again, all of

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 10: these rematches happened I think within five years, and so

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01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 10: there's not that much different, right, I mean, the head

1098
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 10: coach is the same, many of the players are the same.

1099
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 10: As a matter of fact, until this game coming up,

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01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 10: the quarterbacks in all of these games were exactly the same.

1101
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 10: And so when you take that into account, you think,

1102
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 10: maybe this is not such a big deal. Troy Aikman,

1103
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 10: when I talked to him, said, listen, there's no question

1104
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 10: that you get a psychological edge when you have already

1105
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 10: beaten a team. Once you know you can do it,

1106
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 10: you know that your coaches can do it, and so

1107
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 10: that gives you some sort of psychological advantage going in.

1108
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 10: This one, I think is a little bit different because again,

1109
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 10: the quarterback is not the same. A lot about the

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 10: San Francisco forty nine Ers has changed since they lost

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01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 10: to the Chiefs on the first go around. The quarterback

1112
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 10: is different, Christian McCaffrey not on the forty nine ers.

1113
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 10: That's a big one. They have a different defensive coordinator,

1114
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 10: Brandan Ayuk was not on the team, so a lot

1115
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 10: of the weapons are different, The defensive coordinator is different.

1116
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 10: This one, you know, I think is maybe a little

1117
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 10: bit more of a twist than the previous three.

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01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 3: And not only that, I was reading as well that

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01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 3: the Chiefs defensive roster, there's one guy on that defensive

1120
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: starting roster that was there, and that's Chris Jones. Everybody else,

1121
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: all the ten other guys are different and new, an

1122
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: incredibly young roster and completely different. On the Chiefs side,

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Speaker 3: We've been talking this week about teams who were close

1124
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 3: this year or who have been close in the past,

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Speaker 3: who try to run it back, and I've made the

1126
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 3: point that it's almost impossible to run it back because

1127
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 3: so much about an NFL team changes year to year,

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Speaker 3: even when you feel like you got everybody returning.

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01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 10: Well especially I mean, look at the Chiefs for most

1130
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 10: of the regular season, right, they looked as vulnerable as

1131
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 10: they have ever looked in the Patrick Mahomes era. I mean,

1132
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 10: the offense really sputtered for most of the season, right.

1133
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 10: I mean you remember those games with the dropped passes,

1134
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 10: the lining up offside, the penalties, you know, to the

1135
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 10: point where you rarely see Patrick Mahomes as frustrated as

1136
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 10: he was during some games during the regular season. And

1137
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 10: then you know, late in the season, they lost that

1138
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 10: game on Christmas Day to the Raiders, and they all

1139
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 10: point to that game as that was sort of the

1140
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 10: slap in the face, like you better snap out of it.

1141
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 10: It's late and if we're going to do this, we

1142
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 10: got to wake up. And they sort of they shrunk

1143
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 10: the wide receiver rotation and you could see them start

1144
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 10: to get into a rhythm with Patrick Travis Kelsey, who

1145
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 10: you know was still their leading receiver, but you know

1146
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 10: it was clearly not at the normal Travis Kelcey level.

1147
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 10: Well during the playoffs he has been at the normal

1148
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 10: Travis Kelsey level, and so you can see they are

1149
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 10: back to looking like what they've looked like on offense,

1150
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 10: and in the meantime, the defense, which carried them all

1151
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 10: during the regular season, has just been superb during the

1152
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 10: playoffs as well. So you know, this was a different

1153
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 10: kind of year for the Chiefs, but I think for

1154
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 10: them that may give them more confidence because they know

1155
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 10: that they can win games with their defense now it

1156
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 10: doesn't have to just be the offensive juggernaut taking over.

1157
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the other thing that I pulled from

1158
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: the right up that I had completely forgotten about was

1159
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: Steve Spagnolo as a defensive coordinator who foiled the Patriots

1160
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: perfect season, and here he is again and talk about

1161
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 2: NFL honors. This is a guy that I really thought

1162
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: should have gotten a lot more consideration for Assistant Coach

1163
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: of the Year and he finished I think a distant

1164
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: fifth or sixth as well, which completely stunned me. Because

1165
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: the defense is the strength of the Chiefs. Now, I

1166
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: think you could argue, so what do you think about

1167
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: Spagnolo being able to foil a forty nine ers offense

1168
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: that more often than not seems to have all the

1169
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: right answers?

1170
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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, I like your chances with Steve Spagnolo again.

1171
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 10: You know, back in two thousand and seven, I was

1172
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 10: covering those playoffs with the Giants and the Patriots. That

1173
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 10: was the Patriots undefeated season, and that's probably when you

1174
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 10: go back and talk to the Patriots, Patriots people will

1175
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 10: tell you that was probably the most talented Patriots team

1176
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 10: of their dynasty of the twenty year stretch. And they

1177
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 10: had been rolling if you remember, right, I mean Brady

1178
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 10: to Randy moss Brady to Randy Mossy was they were

1179
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 10: just exploding on offense, and then they ran up against

1180
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 10: the Giants and they took him down here. Remember they

1181
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 10: sacked Brady at the end as he was trying for

1182
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 10: a comeback win. So Specnolo is used to these like

1183
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 10: sort of high leverage situations where you're taking on a

1184
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 10: really explosive offense. And don't forget, I think you mentioned

1185
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 10: he finished like way down the voting for Assistant Coach

1186
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 10: of the Year. To me, the signature win was the

1187
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 10: one in the AFC Championship game against the Ravens, who

1188
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 10: had been fantastic and Lamar had had this great season

1189
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 10: and they were this that they were the number one

1190
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 10: running team in the league, and he just shut it

1191
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 10: down and got the Ravens out of their game very quickly.

1192
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 10: And that, to me is the signature win for the defense,

1193
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 10: even though I agree with you the defense really carried

1194
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 10: the Chiefs all season.

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Speaker 3: Everybody has this scenario too, when we get to the

1196
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: Super Bowl and how it's going to play out on Sunday.

1197
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 3: Everybody has this vision of how they think it's going

1198
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 3: to go. You know, whether they think the Niners are

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01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 3: gonna win, where they think the Chiefs are going to win.

1200
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 3: Where what's the big question for you for either one

1201
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: of these teams is to what may keep them from

1202
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 3: winning it or what may give them the edge?

1203
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 10: What don't you fall on Kyle Shanahan? But to me, right,

1204
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 10: I mean if they fall behind, he has a pretty

1205
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 10: tortured history in the Super Bowl when his team falls behind.

1206
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 10: When he was the offensive coordinator in Atlanta, they got

1207
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 10: way ahead and then they could not hold onto the

1208
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 10: lead against against Tom Brady, you know, and then obviously

1209
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 10: they lost the lead in a very short period of

1210
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 10: time here against the Chiefs. So I sort of wonder,

1211
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 10: you know, has Kyle broken out of that now during

1212
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 10: these playoffs, the team has come from behind. So does

1213
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 10: that sort of erase the demons that he has, you know,

1214
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 10: of his offense being able to do it? But that

1215
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 10: I think that's my question is if there's a big

1216
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 10: margin either with the Niners ahead, can they hold the

1217
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 10: lead or behind? Can they come back? I don't think

1218
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 10: you want to be in a deep poll against the

1219
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 10: Chiefs defense right now, and certainly not you know, with

1220
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 10: a second year quarterback in brock Purty, But I guess

1221
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 10: that would be my question is can Kyle finally sort

1222
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 10: of exercise his Super Bowl demons?

1223
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: Last one I've got for you, Judy. You know, we

1224
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: know the Commissioner Goodell had his State of the League address,

1225
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: and we've seen the international games being pushed and pushed

1226
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: and pushed, and now we're going to have a game

1227
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: in Brazil. It just got announced today there's going to

1228
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: be a game in Madrid in twenty twenty five. We

1229
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,479
Speaker 2: had the fortunate opportunity to talk to Commissioner Goodell week

1230
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: one before the Monday night game Bills Jets. We had

1231
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: him in our booth and he literally unsolicited started talking

1232
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: about having a division of teams in Europe, which I

1233
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: think is the long game that they're going to play.

1234
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 2: How far away do you think we are from that?

1235
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: A decade less? What would be your timetable if you

1236
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 2: had to put one on a division of teams in Europe?

1237
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Speaker 10: I think that's a long way away. I mean, first

1238
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 10: of all, you're talking about either massive expansion or massive relocation,

1239
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 10: neither of which you know is on the table imminently

1240
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 10: for the NFL. I do think that there's no question

1241
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 10: that the International Games are a top priority right now.

1242
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 10: Growing the game internationally is number one on Roger Goodell's

1243
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 10: agenda right now. And they've had great reception, right I mean,

1244
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 10: you know London first, now, I mean now it feels

1245
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 10: routine to play in London and Germany too, great reception.

1246
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 10: So they're going to a new continent now, they're going

1247
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 10: to South America. You know, I think we're going to

1248
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 10: see more and more of this. You know, when they

1249
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 10: chose sal Polo, they had already looked at Rio as

1250
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 10: an option. I wouldn't be surprised if they play a

1251
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 10: game there, Madrid, certainly Barcelona, Paris, so I would think

1252
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 10: we're going to see many more. When they passed the

1253
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 10: new CBA right as COVID was shutting everything down. You know,

1254
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 10: it gave them the option of playing eight games overseas,

1255
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 10: and I think that we will get to that in

1256
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 10: fairly short order. But I think actually having teams based

1257
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 10: outside of the United States, you know, overseas, I think

1258
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 10: is still a long way away. First of all, there's

1259
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 10: not a real appetite for expansion because if you add teams,

1260
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 10: that is more people who have to divide the pie,

1261
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 10: and the owners don't particularly want to divide the pie

1262
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 10: anymore than they have to. So I think we're quite

1263
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 10: a ways away from that.

1264
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it seemed.

1265
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a heavy lift.

1266
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a heavy lift for for new four new owners,

1267
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 3: four new you know, franchises, four new stadiums, for new.

1268
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: Time changes with four schedule let's fate.

1269
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,919
Speaker 3: Let's face it would be four brand new, multi billion

1270
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: dollar entities out of thin air. That's hard. Yeah, that's hard.

1271
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 10: It's a tough one. It's a tough one.

1272
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 3: Judy, Thank you so much. It's great seeing you. Are

1273
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 3: you in Vegas? Are you having fun?

1274
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 10: Oh I'm in Vegas. I mean am I having fun? Yes,

1275
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 10: within the limits of you know, working, you know what

1276
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 10: super Bowl Week is like. But I mean, I can

1277
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 10: only imagine being a fan at the Super Bowl. They

1278
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 10: must be having a blast.

1279
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Judy, thanks as always for the time. Enjoy

1280
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 2: the game on Sunday. We'll catch up with you later

1281
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 2: in the off season. Much appreciate it, my pleasure.

1282
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 10: Guys, thank you.

1283
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: All right. That's NFL columnist and reporter for NFL Network

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Speaker 2: Judy Batista. Always plugged in to the league scene, so

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01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: we wanted to catch up with her before the Super Bowl.

1286
01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 2: Kind of us to give us some of her time.

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: I'm on what is a very busy week for her.

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01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: She's been out there I think since Sunday, so this

1289
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: is like day six for her in Las Vegas. Just embedded. Yeah,

1290
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 2: just kill me, be there through the games, give me

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01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 2: a nap. Yeah. So yeah, and that's why I wanted

1292
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: to get some of the league business yeah from her too,

1293
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 2: because this international game push is just it's it's NonStop.

1294
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,440
Speaker 2: It's borderline relentless.

1295
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's coming now to the fact that everything

1296
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 3: that happens in the off season seems monumental, whether it

1297
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 3: be subtle rule changes, international games, uh, ownership changes, and

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01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: then of course free agency in the draft and the

1299
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 3: and the Combine and all that yiggy yiggdy x stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it just.

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01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 3: Keeps coming, and I'll be looking forward to them. Is

1302
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 3: it like, is it February owners meetings?

1303
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 2: I think I think combine is next up? Is combinings

1304
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 2: I think are usually in early to mid Mark And no,

1305
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: maybe it is. It's I'll have to check the end.

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01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: Ye, I think the I think the draft is in

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01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 3: late April. I think I think the ownership the ownership

1308
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 3: meetings come before free agency opens up. Then free agency

1309
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 3: opens up, and then it's then it's the combine and

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01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 3: all the all the other stuff. It's hard to get

1311
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 3: that that right, but man, omanate, you know, player safety

1312
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 3: is on the on the docket. They're talking about more

1313
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 3: kickoff rule changes.

1314
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Speaker 2: Annual League meeting is late March. Okay, there you go,

1315
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: March twenty fourth to the twenty seventh, which is after

1316
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: the free agent market opens.

1317
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 3: On the fin it's also after the combine combines. Last

1318
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 3: weekend week.

1319
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: In, last couple of days in February, first couple of

1320
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: days in March. So yeah, it'll all, uh, it'll all

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 2: turn over quite quickly as we have a experience. Yeah,

1322
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 2: I mean, the Super Bowl is February eleventh, the Combines

1323
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 2: February twenty seventh. It's like sixteen days away from each other.

1324
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 4: Off we go.

1325
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 3: It's like, man, they don't you know nothing? Man, they

1326
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 3: just shift gears.

1327
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: Bro. Yeah, as we mentioned, it's an obl Friday fan mailbag.

1328
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: So let's get back to the phones. Into Carol in Tonawanda,

1329
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: who's been waiting patiently. What do you got for, is Carol?

1330
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 11: Yes, gentlemen, I'm really disappointed about the NFL award process

1331
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 11: and system, and I have a fair amount to say.

1332
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 11: First I'd like to say is Steve and the Bills

1333
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 11: stop being modest. If you deserve to be recognized, accept

1334
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 11: it and be proud of it. I'm sick and tired

1335
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 11: of the Buffalo Bills are being overlooked. We are a

1336
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 11: good team, We are good people. Unless we start standing

1337
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 11: up to this and voice are concerned, things will never change.

1338
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 11: We just can't sit back and take it anymore.

1339
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 10: Have you ever?

1340
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 11: I'm beginning to lose respect for the NFL MVP Award

1341
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 11: selection committee. Did you ever look for the MVP criteria?

1342
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 11: I did, you can't find it or it's very vague.

1343
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 11: They're not using the waiting system. They're not using the

1344
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 11: man in criteria. It's basically like put your finger up

1345
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 11: to the wind or whatever media person is speaking. Whoever's

1346
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 11: named the most is the person they're going to be selected.

1347
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 11: The stats are demonstrating that you're the best and you

1348
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 11: should win that award, and I mean, Alan, perhaps we

1349
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 11: should also include the postseason. It's easy to boast and

1350
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 11: brag when you're not playing the best team, but in

1351
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 11: the postseason, you're playing the cream of the crop, and

1352
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 11: that's where you're separating the men from the boys. Look

1353
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 11: at how Lamar played planning his helmet, losing it totally,

1354
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 11: whereas Allen was composed, collected and led his teams down

1355
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 11: the field. Also, I cannot believe as if he has

1356
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 11: them shared that Damar was not selected for the Most

1357
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 11: Comeback Individual and McDermott again never winning Coach of the

1358
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 11: Year award for multiple years, but yet this fancy wins

1359
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 11: it again. You know, it was interesting that Fatista said

1360
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 11: that women are now voicing this more as a concern.

1361
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 11: It's not just women, is educated women. We've worked with statistics,

1362
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 11: we've worked with processes. Show me the process and prove it.

1363
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 11: So why why is it always so difficult for Buffalo

1364
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 11: to be recognized. So I'm waiting to hear what you

1365
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,480
Speaker 11: have to say. Perhaps with more engagement from the community,

1366
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 11: the NFL can improve and make it a better process.

1367
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 9: Thank you, Thank you, Carol.

1368
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 3: That's well thought out and very nicely articulated phone call.

1369
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, you're right. It does seem like sometimes

1370
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 3: Buffalo is overlooked and slided in situations like this. It

1371
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 3: has happened though that you know, we've had players be

1372
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: the MVP and the most Valuable Offensive Player of the

1373
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 3: Year or offensive Player of the year. Certainly, I think

1374
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 3: it's a little bit embarrassing the tomorrow Hamlin is not

1375
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 3: the comeback player of the year, no question about it.

1376
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 3: You're right. A lot of the atmosphere in sports journal

1377
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 3: now is licking your finger, put it in the air

1378
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 3: and seeing which way the wind is blowing. You're right.

1379
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question. I think you bring

1380
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 3: up a really good point about the MVP race. There

1381
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 3: is no set criteria that is that you can put

1382
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 3: your finger on to say this, this, this, and this

1383
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 3: must happen for the guy to be an MVP.

1384
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: You make it even more subjective than most of the

1385
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: right situation.

1386
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 3: Which makes it subjective.

1387
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 2: It makes it an arbitrary, wide range of interpretation.

1388
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 3: And so you can say what you want about the

1389
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 3: committee or the voters in the MVP. They're up against it.

1390
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 3: It's a hard job. We have a vested interest in

1391
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 3: our guy, just like every other team has a vested

1392
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 3: interest in their guy. I get it. But without solid,

1393
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 3: more specific criteria, you're not going to get a better

1394
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 3: result than than we've seen in the last dozen years.

1395
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 3: This year, notwithstanding, it doesn't matter every year, you're going

1396
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 3: to have things like this. So, uh, there you have it.

1397
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 3: And I'll say this too. I'm and it may be

1398
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 3: the atmosphere we live in in the current day and

1399
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 3: we all kind of know what we mean with social

1400
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 3: media and everything is either one hundred percent yes or

1401
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 3: one thousand percent no. There's no in between in these days. Right,

1402
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: This is the first time Bills have had a guy

1403
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 3: who's always in the conversation. It's been a while and

1404
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 3: and it's a it's a different world than the last time.

1405
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 3: So we got to kind of take take that in

1406
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 3: stride as well.

1407
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 2: Break time for us here. When we come back, we'll

1408
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 2: dip into the OBL Friday fan mail bag. See what's

1409
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 2: on the tweetsheet. When we return here on One Bill's Live,

1410
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 2: presented by Coil Out of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio,

1411
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live on an obl Friday fan mailbag, and

1412
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 2: we go to the tweets sheet for some questions. Here

1413
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 2: now crack that open, and it's brought to you by

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Speaker 2: Corgan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of the

1415
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills, and Nick asks with our CB room getting

1416
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 2: Trey White back, do you think they put him on

1417
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: an island again or do you think they will try

1418
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 2: to split reps with him? And Benford curious to know

1419
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 2: how you feel Trey fits into the defense. Now, I

1420
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 2: think before you even talk about fit, you have to

1421
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 2: talk about health and how he makes his way through

1422
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 2: the rest of the offseason. Will bear watching. This is

1423
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: not any kind of run of the mill injury. This

1424
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: is an achilles that's number one. Not everybody looks the

1425
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 2: same when they come back from an achilles injury, especially

1426
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: at a high impact position that puts a lot of

1427
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 2: torque and demand on the achilles, like cornerback does. Almost

1428
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 2: every play they are driving off an achilles, either on

1429
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 2: their left leg or their right leg to drive on

1430
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: the ball. It's the plant and drive technique that you

1431
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 2: hear coaches talk about all the time, and that is

1432
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: step one. I think you're putting the cart before the

1433
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: horse here, Nick to talk about where he fits in

1434
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 2: the cornerback room. You just gotta hope he can get

1435
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: back on the field and play football come the start

1436
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: of the season, because we have to remember, this injury

1437
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 2: happened October first. I don't think I don't think it's

1438
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: realistic for the start. He's not gonna be ready for

1439
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: the start of the season. He's not gonna be I

1440
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 2: don't think there's just no way he will not be

1441
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 2: ready for the start of training camp to play real football,

1442
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 2: to play real football. So they're gonna have to go on.

1443
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to act like they're going on without

1444
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: him and see what happens. Then, Yeah, that's the bigger question.

1445
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 2: Who fills the Tredavious White void might be the bigger

1446
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 2: question because I think it's I'm not the doctor. I

1447
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: don't have what is probable diagnosis is, but knowing that

1448
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: Achilles injuries typically take a year, that puts us at

1449
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 2: October first, when the injury happened, and who knows how

1450
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 2: soon after the surgery occurred, so you're probably even further

1451
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 2: from the date of surgery. So the question becomes who

1452
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: fills the void? Does Kyrie Elam get a shot now

1453
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 2: with an extra hole there? And Dane Jackson a free agent,

1454
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he moves up in the pecking order

1455
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 2: here and can challenge for his starting rule. You have

1456
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: Rasul Douglas, you have Christian Benford. Is Benford going to

1457
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 2: safety because maybe Michael hyde'es not back, or maybe Jordan Poyer,

1458
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: you know, even though he's under contract, maybe a decision

1459
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 2: is made there to get CAP compliant. So there are

1460
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: a lot of moving parts on the back end right now,

1461
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 2: and Tredavius White's health is one of the biggest question

1462
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 2: marks in that whole conversation. Hedley asks who is in

1463
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: charge of the voting for MVP? What do they use

1464
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: to gauge the players? NFL Awards show was lame and

1465
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 2: that's putting it lately well.

1466
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 3: As we just heard from Carol from Tanawanda, who one

1467
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 3: of the top ten callers of the year so far,

1468
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 3: the criteria for how they pick MVP is vague at best,

1469
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 3: and so you get a lot of interpretive nuance to

1470
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 3: these people and what they see and what they look for,

1471
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 3: their own personal bias, who they watched, who they cheer for,

1472
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 3: and it's all media guy people. It's all people who

1473
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 3: are in the media who vote on it. Not everybody

1474
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 3: gets to vote. It's a limited number of people who

1475
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 3: get to vote. So because of that, it's a subjective.

1476
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 3: It's a subjective award, and I think they'll always want

1477
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 3: to keep it that way because if they put out

1478
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 3: specific criteria, then it's like, whoever gets past the criteria wins,

1479
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 3: you know, and whoever does it first wins or that

1480
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 3: kind of thing. So it's, uh, yeah, it's there. It's

1481
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,799
Speaker 3: a non specific criteria to become MVP. Most valuable player

1482
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 3: is what most valuable player in the league, or most

1483
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 3: valuable player to his team, most viable player on his

1484
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 3: side of the ball, you know, most valuable, most valuable quarterback,

1485
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, you name it. There's a lot of ways

1486
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 3: you can look at that award, and it seems to

1487
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 3: be confusing for a lot of people, and the award

1488
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 3: turns out is confusing as well when it comes out.

1489
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: Next one comes from Jack who says, what do you guys,

1490
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 2: think about Florida wide receiver Ricky Piersoll could be Allen's

1491
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: new best friend. This is if the Bills consider going

1492
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 2: DT in round one taking the Florida Swiss Army knife

1493
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 2: in round two. This man's hands, I legit better than Beasley's. Plus,

1494
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 2: he's bigger and faster and runs excellent routes. Can even

1495
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,839
Speaker 2: carry the rock he does. He is a sure handed receiver.

1496
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 2: I will give you that. Are they better than Beasley's

1497
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: Let's wait and see before we pronounce judgment on that.

1498
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 2: I have shown Steve some tape of Ricky Piersoll and

1499
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 2: his one handed ridiculous catch that he snared over his

1500
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 2: head backhanded. Do you remember that that's just one play.

1501
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 2: I think he has some route savvy to his game,

1502
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: which is encouraging. I think in a very deep class

1503
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 2: of receivers, he is a Day two pick. I in

1504
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 2: my perfect world, the Bills go a receiver, defensive tackle receiver.

1505
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: Is he there at the bottom of round three. I

1506
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,560
Speaker 2: don't know that he is, but I wouldn't have a

1507
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 2: problem having him on this roster. I think he could

1508
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 2: be a capable role player early in his career and

1509
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 2: maybe develop into something more later on.

1510
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 3: You're right, Jack, They're gonna have a shot at Ricky Pearson,

1511
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 3: but they may take him, have to take him a

1512
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 3: round and a half ahead of where he should really go.

1513
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 3: They're not gonna take him. He's not a first round

1514
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 3: draft pick, second round, bottom of second round. Even that

1515
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 3: may be a reach because there'll be other guys on

1516
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 3: the board that will be you know, better pros, you

1517
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 3: would think, But you got it right. If the Bills

1518
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 3: go a different position other than wide receiver, Piersall will

1519
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 3: be one of the names left on the board when

1520
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 3: they get to their to their second pick of the draft,

1521
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 3: which you know it's that's I just think, let me

1522
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 3: see the full here we go. Yeah, I just think

1523
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 3: when the Bills pick at twenty eight, he'll be there.

1524
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 3: But I think if they go DT, they're gonna have

1525
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 3: to wait until pick number sixty to make their next pick.

1526
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 3: Pierce All will probably be there, but so will a

1527
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 3: couple other guys that may be better. That's the real trick.

1528
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 3: A guy like Ricky Piersall may fall between Bill's picks,

1529
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Two, he's not good enough

1530
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 3: to pick at sixty, and he's too good for ninety nine.

1531
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 3: Somebody's gonna grab him, you know what I mean, That's

1532
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 3: kind of what you look at with the draft. But

1533
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 3: you're right, they're gonna have a shot at him.

1534
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom asks with Ed Oliver the only current defensive

1535
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: lineman under contract, defensive tackle under contract, and with our

1536
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 2: salary cap situation, what will it take for being a

1537
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 2: McDermott to feel the competitive d line this season? The

1538
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: first thing I would tell you to do is listen

1539
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 2: to our podcast this week, Bills by the Numbers, because

1540
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 2: we dive into that very subject in depth. So if

1541
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 2: you want a real dissertation on it, you can listen

1542
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 2: to that episode, which is out right now on whatever

1543
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 2: podcast platform you use. Just type in Bills by the Numbers.

1544
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 2: I will say that they're going to have to find

1545
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 2: cheap labor, which means draft or some older veteran free

1546
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: agents that you can sign to a one year deal.

1547
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: Because the bottom line is, everybody but at Oliver, who

1548
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 2: plays defensive tackle on this roster is a free agent.

1549
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 2: Lynval Joseph, Tim Settle, Jordan Phillips, and who is the

1550
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 2: fourth one day Kwon Jones. I think in the perfect

1551
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 2: world they'd like to have Day kwon back. He is

1552
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: thirty two years of age. Could that bring his price

1553
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: down a little bit? Maybe coming off an injured season. Maybe.

1554
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any guarantee for that. I think

1555
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 2: you can get Jordan Phillips back for affordable money, and

1556
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: then I think the rest you got to get in

1557
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 2: the draft, and maybe even a couple of undrafted you

1558
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: got to find affordable labor right now with their cap situation.

1559
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it's gonna take. You're gonna see them

1560
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 3: signing guys. You know a ton of free agents, guys

1561
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,520
Speaker 3: who are under one year deals, rookie minimums, veteran minimums

1562
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 3: at least, and during the free agency process, and we'll

1563
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 3: start getting an idea of how much of that's gonna

1564
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 3: happen when free agency opens, when they start clearing cap space.

1565
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 3: And we'll hear about that in the coming weeks.

1566
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 2: Rick asks, I was curious to know what the two

1567
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 2: of you think about Georgia wide receiver Ladd mccakie. I

1568
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 2: watched him play a few times this past season, and

1569
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 2: he reminds me a lot of Wes Welker Cole Beasley.

1570
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 2: He isn't the downfield burner, the Bills need, but I

1571
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 2: could see him becoming Josh's favorite target. I think Ladd

1572
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 2: mcconkee is going to be a successful NFL receiver. I

1573
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 2: don't know that he is what the Bills need at

1574
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 2: the receiver position. What the Bills need at receiver is

1575
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 2: a They need size, and he's five to eleven. They

1576
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 2: need somebody who can win outside because of that size,

1577
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 2: can separate and can stretch the field. McConkie doesn't. Those

1578
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 2: are not the best tools in McConkie's school skill set.

1579
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 3: To be very very honest with you, I'd rather have

1580
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 3: Khalil Shakir because you already got him. He's under contract.

1581
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 2: You know what, he's.

1582
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 3: Proven he's too much like Shakir. Why yeah, I'm not

1583
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 3: doing that. I need somebody different, different.

1584
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the bottom line there. But mconkie

1585
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: I think will be a successful pro rout savvy, he

1586
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 2: knows where the holes and zones are, super super kid

1587
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: off the field, he is going to ace character tests

1588
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 2: by a mile. Just an unbelievable human being, really really

1589
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 2: really good kid, but can play some football as well.

1590
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 2: I think he'll have a successful career, probably late day

1591
01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 2: two at best, and then you know, maybe even first

1592
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 2: off the board Day three. Got to take a break here.

1593
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 2: When we come back, we will dive into a mock

1594
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 2: draft from our good friend Cynthia Freeland, who has the

1595
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 2: right position that I wanted to see at pick twenty

1596
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: eight for the Bills. We'll tell you who she selected

1597
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 2: based on her analytic models. Next here on one Bill's Life.

1598
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 2: All right, one more segment here before we head into

1599
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 2: Super Bowl weekend. And our good friend Cynthia Freeland, who

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01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 2: does the NFL or I should say, the Bills preseason

1601
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 2: telecasts with Steve every summer, put together her first mock

1602
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 2: draft which she bases picks on her statistical models, which

1603
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 2: spit out players for certain teams for each of the

1604
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: first thirty two picks in round one, and happy to

1605
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 2: report Steve has a receiver going to the Bills at

1606
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 2: pick twenty eight. Maybe she listens to the show. Who knows?

1607
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 2: Perhaps or her models do her computers do. Here's what

1608
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: she wrote about the pick of Oregon speedster Troy Franklin.

1609
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 2: Franklin has experienced out wide and in the slot, and

1610
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: is a tall receiver six to three who runs fast

1611
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 2: in pads. He'll add an explosive element and yards after

1612
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 2: catchability to the Bills offense. For the record, she had

1613
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 2: five receivers going before Franklin to the Bills at twenty eight.

1614
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 2: They were as follows, Marvin Heron, Marvin Harrison Junior to

1615
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,839
Speaker 2: the Cardinals at pick four, Rome Adunza to the Giants

1616
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 2: at six, my league neighbors to the Bears at nine,

1617
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: my guy, Brian Thomas to the Saints at fourteen, and

1618
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 2: then Keon Coleman to the Dolphins at twenty one. Tyreek Hill,

1619
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: Jaylen Waddell, Keon Coleman.

1620
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 3: Hellou, Yeah, it's it's not going to get easier to win.

1621
01:28:59,360 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 3: Believe now.

1622
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 2: He is slightly built, as you can as our MSG

1623
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:03,719
Speaker 2: he's seeing. He's one eighty seven.

1624
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:08,520
Speaker 3: He's tall and skinny, but like I said, that gives

1625
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 3: you the ability to stop hard and also makes you,

1626
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 3: you know, you're faster without that weight.

1627
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 2: He's a field stretcher for sure.

1628
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 3: We'll see. Yeah, we're gonna get a guy. One of

1629
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 3: these guys we're talking about is gonna be a Bill.

1630
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 3: I believe that's the spot they're gonna draft.

1631
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 2: Had fourteen touchdowns last season his junior year. I think

1632
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 2: the only guy that had more was Brian Thomas, who

1633
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 2: led the FBS with seventeen to keep.

1634
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 3: It on, Troy Franklin sixty three, we'll see Oregon.

1635
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it for us. Enjoy the Super Bowl. We'll

1636
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 2: see on Monday.