WEBVTT - How stable is the Earth's orbit?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Daniel, did you see the reason launch at tempt

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<v Speaker 1>by SpaceX.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did. That massive rocket with so many engines attached.

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<v Speaker 3>Really awesome to watch.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I hear.

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<v Speaker 1>The fireworks were great. It really popped. But the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing kind of has me worried a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>You worried the rocket's going to crash into your house?

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit? I mean I live in my house.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a problem. No, But I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>more worried about the effect it has on the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>than all those engines in the rocket also push on

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I guess it's kind of like putting a rocket

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<v Speaker 3>engine on the Earth itself.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit, right, So we're letting elon Musk steer

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<v Speaker 1>our planet.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you can't even steer Twitter.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be pretty cool if a planet had a

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<v Speaker 3>steering wheel. I guess that'd be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I would probably fall asleep, so maybe I shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>driving the Earth.

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<v Speaker 4>It probably flies into the sun.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Orham, a cartoonists and the creator of PhD comics.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist and a professor

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<v Speaker 3>at UC Irvine, and I don't want to fly into

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<v Speaker 3>the Sun.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you want to do into the sun? Drive? Walk, fall, dive?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I want to look into the Sun. Of

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<v Speaker 3>all the verbs, I think that's the least destructive one.

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<v Speaker 4>I like hearing about the Sun and feeling the Sun.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if I want to look at it.

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<v Speaker 4>It isn't that dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>I want us to build new scientific eyeballs that let

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<v Speaker 3>us peer into the Sun and understand the chaotic churning

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<v Speaker 3>inside of it.

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<v Speaker 4>You want to peer into the Sun?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, yes, I consider the Sun to be our

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<v Speaker 3>peer in the Solar system.

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<v Speaker 4>I see. Are you saying you're like a sun god?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm saying we're ever accused of breaking a law

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<v Speaker 3>of physic that I want a jury of our peers,

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<v Speaker 3>which I guess would include the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>M and who else? Who else do you consider your

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<v Speaker 1>peers in the cosmos?

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<v Speaker 3>Jupiter is pretty good. Yeah, it carries a lot of weight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he would be a massive help on the jury.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, Welcome to our podcast, Daniel and Jorge Explain

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<v Speaker 1>the Universe, a production of iHeart Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>In which we try to thread the needle of understanding

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<v Speaker 3>the entire universe without pissing it off too much. We

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<v Speaker 3>try to pay attention to what's going on out there

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<v Speaker 3>in the universe, from the tiny little particles to the

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<v Speaker 3>very massive objects swirling around each other, to try to

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<v Speaker 3>deduce the laws that this universe follows as it moves

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<v Speaker 3>forward through time towards its eventual end, whatever that may be.

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<v Speaker 3>And we hope that before that end comes, we can

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<v Speaker 3>figure out how it all works.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, because it is a massively cool universe, fools,

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<v Speaker 1>amazing and incredible laws and mechanism that seem to make

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing work like a giant clock, it seems,

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<v Speaker 1>going around and around, taking away till the end of time.

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<v Speaker 3>A clock makes it seem like very organized and stable.

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<v Speaker 3>I see it more like a really complicated Rube Goldberg machine,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like ball rolls down a wheel and hits

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<v Speaker 3>this lever which makes the cat jump, and then that

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<v Speaker 3>knocks something else over. Sometimes it feels like the mechanisms

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<v Speaker 3>on which our entire existence are based are very precarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it knocks a ball, the ball rolls sound a

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<v Speaker 1>ramp and then outcomes humans, and out of those humans,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them bumps into another, and you and I

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<v Speaker 1>are born, and this podcast is born exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like it could have gone a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>different ways, and in many of those ways we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be here. So in some respects our existence here seems very,

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<v Speaker 3>very fortunate, and I wonder sometimes about the future of

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<v Speaker 3>our existence here. How long these special cozy conditions will continue.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I feel pretty inevitable. I feel like r

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<v Speaker 1>cham was meant to be.

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<v Speaker 3>You feel like the whole project of the universe was

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<v Speaker 3>to bring you into existence?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not at least my universe now. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if my kids feel the same way. Over my spouse.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an unfortunate byproduct. Sometimes it seems.

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<v Speaker 3>Well one of the joys of understanding the universe is

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<v Speaker 3>being able to predict its future, taking those laws of

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<v Speaker 3>physics that describe what we have seen and also applying

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<v Speaker 3>them to the future, and thinking what's going to happen,

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<v Speaker 3>what's likely to happen in the next one hundred years,

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<v Speaker 3>million years, or billion.

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<v Speaker 1>Years, m or the next hour. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where this conversation is going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be honest, the podcast does seem kind of unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't seem to matter too much what I write any outline.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that's what happens when you put two

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<v Speaker 1>unstable people and try to create a stable system here.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is kind of an interesting question how precarious

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<v Speaker 1>our existence is and how likely it was that we

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<v Speaker 1>are here in this place talking about the universe. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like the universe kind of could go either way

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<v Speaker 1>at any moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm. And there's lots of ways that things could

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<v Speaker 3>go south for us. But on the podcast a few

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<v Speaker 3>times we've talked about one in particular, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>requirement that the Earth stay in orbit around the Sun

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<v Speaker 3>at just the right distance to keep water nice and

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<v Speaker 3>toasty on our surface but without bubbling it into steam

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<v Speaker 3>or dropping it into a deep freeze.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Earth is and what's called the Goldilock zone

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<v Speaker 1>of our solar system, where it's not too hot and

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<v Speaker 1>not too cold, which makes it just right for life

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<v Speaker 1>to flourish on it and for vicious birds, animals, and

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<v Speaker 1>humans which I guess are also animals for them to

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<v Speaker 1>come about.

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<v Speaker 3>So you might wonder how long this Goldilock situation can

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<v Speaker 3>continue before the bears come home and ask for their

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<v Speaker 3>porridge back, so to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be On the podcast, we'll be asking the question, how

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<v Speaker 1>stable is the Earth's orbit? Never thought about the stability

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<v Speaker 1>of our planet's orbit. I guess it seems so predictable

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<v Speaker 1>and regular, right, I mean, nobody questions whether the sun

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<v Speaker 1>will rise in the morning every day.

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<v Speaker 4>We just assume it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of these really fun questions where the answer

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<v Speaker 3>depends a lot on the time frame your imagining. Nobody

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<v Speaker 3>suspects that the Earth will fall out of its orbit

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<v Speaker 3>tomorrow or next year, or in one hundred years, and

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<v Speaker 3>on the kind of time scales the humans are used

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<v Speaker 3>to thinking about. The Solar System is kind of static.

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<v Speaker 3>We imagine it's looked the same way for one hundred years,

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<v Speaker 3>a thousand years, probably a million years. But when you

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<v Speaker 3>look on longer time scales, hundreds of millions of years

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<v Speaker 3>or billions of years, you see the Solar System is

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<v Speaker 3>actually quite chaotic. Planets have been lost, they've changed their orbit,

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<v Speaker 3>they've moved from the outer Solar System to the Inner

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<v Speaker 3>Solar System and back. All sorts of crazy stuff has happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So then you can ask, like, well, how long will

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<v Speaker 3>this phase of our Solar system last?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess the Solar system was just a giant

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<v Speaker 1>cloud of dust and gas at someone, right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun form, and then the planet's form. But even

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<v Speaker 1>after the planet's form, the Solar System kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>to find its groove kind of right, it's rhythm, it's orbits.

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<v Speaker 1>Things will crash into each other a lot before settling

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<v Speaker 1>into planets.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that's exactly right. And you look at the

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<v Speaker 3>surface of anything in the Solar System, like the Moon,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'll see lots of evidence for collisions. Basically, anything

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<v Speaker 3>that's out there is getting smacked into all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>The Earth doesn't have a surface filled with craters because

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<v Speaker 3>we have an atmosphere that mostly burns those things up

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<v Speaker 3>before they hit the ground, but of course sometimes they don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty five million years ago or so, something really big

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<v Speaker 3>hit the Earth, and billions of years before that, the

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<v Speaker 3>Moon was formed in an even more giant collision.

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<v Speaker 4>We've been hit around a lot, and yet we're still here.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we look at Jupiter, for example, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of evidence that Jupiter and Saturn migrated to the

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<v Speaker 3>inner Solar System and then turned around and went back out,

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<v Speaker 3>returning to the depths of the outer Solar System. So

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<v Speaker 3>planetary orbits are not as fixed as you might imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>At least some large time scales. As you were saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>as usually, we were wondering how many people out there

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<v Speaker 1>had thought about this question, about the stability of our orbit,

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<v Speaker 1>about how steady the Solar system is. So, as usual,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel went out there into the Internet to ask people

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<v Speaker 1>how stable is the Earth's orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>So think about it for a second. How stable do

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<v Speaker 1>you think our orbit is? Here's what people had to say.

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<v Speaker 6>So I would say that the Earth orbit is very

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<v Speaker 6>stable millions or maybe even billions of years. But perhaps

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<v Speaker 6>when the Sun turns into a ridge giant and expands,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe that will change things and throw that we're further

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<v Speaker 6>or closer.

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<v Speaker 7>In Well, I think earth orbit is quite stable, but

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<v Speaker 7>we are slowly drifting away from the Sun because of

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<v Speaker 7>the Moon, and we might get hit by asteroids in

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<v Speaker 7>the future. But otherwise I think the Earth's orbit is stable.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think the Earth's orbit is stable forever.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it looks pretty stable to us, because the

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<v Speaker 6>time scale of.

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<v Speaker 3>The universe, of the Solar System is pretty long.

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<v Speaker 6>I would say it's like a metastable state, and maybe

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<v Speaker 6>even an asteroid could kick the Earth out of orbit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more like a castle of cards. Remove one and

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<v Speaker 3>everything falls apart.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems pretty stable to me.

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<v Speaker 8>If Hummans had long enough to you will, so hopefully

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<v Speaker 8>it'll hang in there a bit longer.

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<v Speaker 9>I know from your podcast about when stars collide that

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<v Speaker 9>any object that's accelerating gives off gravitational waves because of

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<v Speaker 9>its acceleration. So fundamentally the orbit is not stable, and

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<v Speaker 9>although it will take a really really long time, eventually

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<v Speaker 9>the Earth's orbit will fall into the Sun.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the Earth's orbit is very stable. I have

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<v Speaker 8>heard about studies that talk about Jupiter moving around in

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<v Speaker 8>the ancient Solar System, and studies of sensitivity of mercury

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<v Speaker 8>and Venus to subtle perturbations. But I just think that

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<v Speaker 8>the Earth's orbit is very stable.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's stickaying just like you know might expect

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<v Speaker 1>it to, but you know, not going into the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Earth's orbit about the Sun is very stable,

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<v Speaker 2>at least over the timeframes that we're concerned with long

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<v Speaker 2>term millions or billions of years. There might be some

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<v Speaker 2>drift in its position relative to the Sun, just like

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<v Speaker 2>there's some drift of the Moon relative to the Earth

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<v Speaker 2>over time.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's bruey stable in a human time scale,

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<v Speaker 5>but on the long term I think that either gravity

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<v Speaker 5>or angular momentum will be more revalent.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, it seems like most people think it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stable. Only a few dissenters.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a lot of people worried about this out there,

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<v Speaker 3>although maybe they got more worried after they read this question.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe they should be more worried.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're here for, to make people think about

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<v Speaker 1>all the different ways that the universe can kill them.

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<v Speaker 3>Mmm. Maybe we should be selling Earth orbit insurance somehow.

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<v Speaker 4>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>If the Earth plunges into the Sun, we will pay

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<v Speaker 3>you any arbitrary amount of money.

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<v Speaker 1>A bazillion dollars exactly. Just give us a million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, submit request of this po box.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's kind of an interesting question. How stable

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<v Speaker 1>is the Earth's orbit? Because I guess we're going around

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun pretty steadily, right, is our orbit?

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<v Speaker 7>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we always go through the same spot in the

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<v Speaker 1>Solar system or is our orbit kind of wobbling?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, our orbit around the Sun is not perfectly circular, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's an ellipse, and that ellipse can process a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>which means if you imagine an ellipse or like a

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<v Speaker 3>football or anything oblong, then that orbit itself can rotate. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>the path of the ellipse itself can rotate.

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<v Speaker 1>And is that the same for the whole Solar system?

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<v Speaker 1>Like there, everyone's orbits also kind of rotating.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some changes in the eccentricity of the Earth's

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<v Speaker 3>orbit that's deviation from it being circular over like one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand year timescale, and these things actually can affect

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<v Speaker 3>like the climate. These are called Milankovich cycles. We talked

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<v Speaker 3>about it once in the podcast about ice ages. But

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't make the Earth's orbit stable or unstable. An

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<v Speaker 3>elliptical orbit can be stable over very very long time periods.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether or not your circular or elliptical doesn't change whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not your stable.

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<v Speaker 1>M I see the orbit is changing a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think maybe what you mean by stable or

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<v Speaker 1>unstable is whether, like if you move the Earth a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, is it gonna go back to its same orbit,

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<v Speaker 1>or is it gonna spin out of control and like

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<v Speaker 1>shoot out of the Solar System. That's kind of more

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<v Speaker 1>what you mean, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my stability. We mean will it return to its

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<v Speaker 3>current configuration if it's pushed a little bit, Say, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>you jump. Every time you jump, you are pushing on

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<v Speaker 3>the Earth. Right, You're using your leg muscles to push

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<v Speaker 3>yourself away from the Earth, but you're also pushing the

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<v Speaker 3>Earth away from you. And Newton's laws tell us, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>every force is an equal and opposite reaction, and so

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<v Speaker 3>you're moving away from the Earth and the Earth is

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<v Speaker 3>also moving away from you. Now, of course, because the

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<v Speaker 3>Earth has so much mass, your push doesn't really affect

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<v Speaker 3>it as much as it affects yourself. It's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>like when you fire a rifle. The bullet gets going

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<v Speaker 3>really really fast, but the rifle itself also has a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of recoil, and so when you jump, the

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<v Speaker 3>Earth recoil a little bit against you. And so if

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<v Speaker 3>the Earth's orbit is stable, then a little push like

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<v Speaker 3>that won't like send it spiraling into the Sun, it

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<v Speaker 3>like drift back to its original orbit. If the Earth

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<v Speaker 3>is unstable, then it's more like a pencil balancing on

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<v Speaker 3>its tip. Any tiny little touch will knock it out

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<v Speaker 3>of its configuration and it won't come back. So stability

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<v Speaker 3>tells you about whether you come back to your current

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<v Speaker 3>orbit when you're given a little push.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, it's cool that every time I take

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<v Speaker 1>a step, basically I'm sort of moving to Earth a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Right, every step I take is earth shattering,

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<v Speaker 1>Earth moving.

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<v Speaker 3>It sort of is, though. You return to the Earth

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<v Speaker 3>right and the Earth returns to you, So in the end,

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<v Speaker 3>the Earth's orbit isn't actually changed by that. To really

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<v Speaker 3>change the Earth's orbit, you need to like take a

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<v Speaker 3>rock and throw it into outer space and have it

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<v Speaker 3>escape from the Earth. So the rock and the Earth

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<v Speaker 3>are now like parting ways and going in opposite directions.

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<v Speaker 1>M yeah, I guess that's what I meant. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>if I jump, I'm going to fall back down onto

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth unless I jump super duper high. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not that fit, I guess. But if I jump, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth pulls me back and then it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>recovers right, Like, as it's pulling me back down into Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also moving a little bit towards me exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>You come back together, and so there's no effective change.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I was talking about Elon Musk instead of

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<v Speaker 3>you and your ripped thighs jumping off the surface. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>if Elon Musk launches a rocket away from the Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>then it really is giving the Earth a push. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>if that rocket ends up in orbit, then it isn't

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<v Speaker 3>because it's still in the Earth's gravitational system. But if

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<v Speaker 3>he launches a rocket to Mars or a to deep

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<v Speaker 3>space or something like that, so it really leaves the

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<v Speaker 3>earth gravitational system, then it's given the Earth a push.

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<v Speaker 3>And if the Earth was in an unstable situation, like

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<v Speaker 3>a pencil balanced on its tip, then even a tiny

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<v Speaker 3>push would knock it out of orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess maybe an analogy is that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like tossing a coin or like rolling a coin. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a system that's kind of unstable, right, Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>tip the coin just a little bit to the right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the whole coin is going to veer off to

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<v Speaker 1>the ride a lot. Or if you tip it a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit to the left's going to veer off to

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<v Speaker 1>the left a lot. That's what you mean by sort

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<v Speaker 1>of unstable kind of sitting on the edge of something.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm exactly. Or imagine you have a ball in

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<v Speaker 3>a glass, right, you shake the glass a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>the ball moves from the bottom of the glass, but

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<v Speaker 3>it comes back to where it was. When it deviates

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<v Speaker 3>from its preferred location, there are forces to push it

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<v Speaker 3>back to where it was. Or if you have the

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<v Speaker 3>situation upside down, like ball balance on the top of

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<v Speaker 3>a hill, for example, if it's precariously balanced there and

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<v Speaker 3>you give it a push, then the forces are going

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<v Speaker 3>to pull it away from that configuration place. So another

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<v Speaker 3>way to think about stability is are there forces that

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<v Speaker 3>are restoring you back to your original location or are

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<v Speaker 3>there forces that are pushing you away. So in the

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<v Speaker 3>stable case, their forces restoring you to where you were,

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<v Speaker 3>and in the unstable case, their forces pushing you away.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I guess it's kind of what you mean by

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<v Speaker 1>basing a pencil, or like if you take a long

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<v Speaker 1>rod or stick and you try to bous it on

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<v Speaker 1>the palm of your hand, like there is a way

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<v Speaker 1>for you to like move your hand around a lot

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<v Speaker 1>and not have this stick fall over. But that's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of an unstable situation, Like if you deviate a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit from that path, then the stick will fall exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And in physics we call that equilibrium. Right, there is

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<v Speaker 3>a configuration for the stick to be balanced, for all

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<v Speaker 3>the forces to be equal, and for it to just

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<v Speaker 3>stay there, but it would be unstable. Like a tiny

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<v Speaker 3>fly lands on it pushes it in one direction. Now

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<v Speaker 3>the forces are going to keep it going in that

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<v Speaker 3>direction rather than pushing it back. Whereas if you have

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<v Speaker 3>a ball and a glass and a fly lands on

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<v Speaker 3>it and pushes it a tiny little bit up the glass,

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<v Speaker 3>the glass is going to return it back to the

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<v Speaker 3>equilibrium location. So you can have stable and unstable equilibrium.

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<v Speaker 3>And the difference really is whether you have forces pushing

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<v Speaker 3>you back towards the equilibrium or away.

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<v Speaker 1>From it, right, And so that's what we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>here for the Earth, I mean, we're going around the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun in a circle or a semicircle sort of a circle,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems stable, but it could be an unstable orbit,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning like we're going around this path and we just

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<v Speaker 1>got lucky to get into this groove.

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<v Speaker 4>But if we actually sort of step.

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<v Speaker 1>Away from the groove or fall a little bit to

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<v Speaker 1>the one side, then maybe it'll take us into a

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<v Speaker 1>completely different orbit or even away from the Solar System

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<v Speaker 1>or into the Sun.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess yeah, And you might be worried like that

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<v Speaker 3>if you jump too high you're going to push the

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<v Speaker 3>Earth out of orbit, because if you imagine that the

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<v Speaker 3>Earth like DV it's a little bit towards the Sun,

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<v Speaker 3>gravity gets stronger and it pulls on it harder. So

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<v Speaker 3>you might worry that, like if you jump on the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong side of the Earth, you could actually push the

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<v Speaker 3>Earth into the Sun like a fly toppling that balanced

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<v Speaker 3>pole on your hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I guess it would depend on which way you jump,

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<v Speaker 1>like you just said, like if I jump in the direct,

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<v Speaker 1>like if I jump off of the North pole, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just move the orbit up and down a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Or if I jump sort of like trailing the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>in the direction where a bit behind the Earth, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess then I will give it a little boost. Or

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<v Speaker 1>if I jump in the front, I'll slow down to

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<v Speaker 1>Earth a little bit mm hm.

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<v Speaker 3>Or if you have a friend on the other side

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<v Speaker 3>of the Earth and you time your jumps together, then

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't matter, right, So really this question is about

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<v Speaker 3>can you do exercise whenever you like, or do you

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<v Speaker 3>need to coordinate it with the rest of humanity.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do we have any friends? All right, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what stability means for an orbit and for our planet.

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<v Speaker 1>And now let's get into whether or not it is

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<v Speaker 1>a stable orbit or if it's a precariously balanced orbit

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<v Speaker 1>and we are just here at a sheer luck. But

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<v Speaker 1>first let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>We're asking the question how stable is the Earth's orbit?

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<v Speaker 1>And we talk about how we are in orbit around

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun. Right, the Earth is being pulled by gravity

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<v Speaker 1>towards the Sun, but we have a certain velocity which

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<v Speaker 1>makes the whole planet kind of go around in a circle.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that's right. We're moving in roughly circles essentially

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<v Speaker 3>in the lips. But we'll talk about the difference there

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<v Speaker 3>in a minute. And the question is, like, is the

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<v Speaker 3>orbit stable If we deviate from this situation a tiny

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<v Speaker 3>little bit, are we going to spiral into the Sun

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<v Speaker 3>or drift out into deep space?

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<v Speaker 1>Which makes you worry, not just for like everyone jumping

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, is that going to knock the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth out of its orbit? But if something else comes

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<v Speaker 1>out from space and hits us, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, because we are hit all the time on

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<v Speaker 3>asteroids and meteors. Right, every time you see a meteor shower,

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<v Speaker 3>those are objects from other places in the Solar System

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<v Speaker 3>smashing into the Earth's atmosphere. And a minute ago we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about it in terms of forces. Are there forces

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<v Speaker 3>restoring you back to your orbit or are there forces

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<v Speaker 3>pulling you away from your equilibrium? And in this situation,

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<v Speaker 3>the only relevant force is gravity, right, gravity pulls us

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<v Speaker 3>towards the Sun. There's no electromagnetic force, there's no weak force,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no strong force. It's really just gravity here. And

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<v Speaker 3>so from that simple perspective, you might think, hm, the

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<v Speaker 3>only force is pushing us inwards. So if we got

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<v Speaker 3>hit like from just the right angle, like an asteroid

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<v Speaker 3>falling in from the outer Solar System and pushing us

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<v Speaker 3>towards the Sun, it might make you worried because the

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<v Speaker 3>force of gravity would get stronger as you get closer

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<v Speaker 3>and then pull you harder, plummeting the Earth into the Sun.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a little bit more complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>And also made me think, like, if an asteroid falls

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<v Speaker 1>to Earth and it gets burned up in the atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>does it actually pushes or does it just get converted

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<v Speaker 1>into fire and smoke and light.

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<v Speaker 3>It definitely pushes us. It doesn't matter if it gets

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<v Speaker 3>burned up or not. It's sort of like a bullet

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<v Speaker 3>entering your body, right, It's still going to push you back,

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<v Speaker 3>even if it doesn't leave your body or if it

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<v Speaker 3>gets shredded inside you. It doesn't really matter whether it

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<v Speaker 3>turns into heat or not. You absorb the momentum.

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<v Speaker 1>Of that object, doesn't Some of the energy of an

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid also like leave maybe as light.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a little bit, although that actually might have a

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<v Speaker 3>bigger impact because that's more like the asteroid bouncing off

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<v Speaker 3>of the Earth, which would be a larger momentum transfer.

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<v Speaker 1>Or doesn't some of it gets transferred into heat, like

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<v Speaker 1>it heats up the Earth, But that doesn't necessarily push

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth, does it.

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<v Speaker 3>If the Earth totally absorbs it, then it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>absorb all of its momentum. If it bounces off the atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 3>then it's going to get twice its momentum because it's

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<v Speaker 3>changing direction entirely. The way for it to actually minimally

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<v Speaker 3>affect the Earth would be like passed through the Earth

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<v Speaker 3>out the other side. To maintain its So if it

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<v Speaker 3>like grazed the atmosphere somehow, then it wouldn't affect the

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<v Speaker 3>Earth as much.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, let's get into the stability of our orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe step us through the basics, like what makes an

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<v Speaker 1>orbit and what would make it stable or unstable?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there's only gravity at work here, which is

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<v Speaker 3>pulling us towards the Sun. And the first you might wonder, like,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you get equilibrium at all? How is it

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<v Speaker 3>possible to have an orbit where your radius is basically constant? Again,

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<v Speaker 3>just thinking about it in terms of circular orbits for now,

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<v Speaker 3>how is that even possible if all you have is

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<v Speaker 3>a force towards the center. Well, it's true you only

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<v Speaker 3>have one force, but it's a little bit more complicated

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<v Speaker 3>than that. There's another apparent force because we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>circular motion, which is not inertial frames. Like there's an

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<v Speaker 3>acceleration here, then there's an effective force that appears. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not a fundamental force like gravity or electromagnetism or whatever.

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.480
<v Speaker 3>The effect of working in a rotating frame of reference

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<v Speaker 3>the way, for example, if you're on a merry go

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<v Speaker 3>round and it spins, you feel a force pushing you

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<v Speaker 3>towards the edge of the merry go round. It's not gravity,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not an electromagnetism. It's an effective force due to

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<v Speaker 3>the rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, It's not like a real force. It's more like

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like something is pushing you towards the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the merry go round. But really it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>merry go around trying to make you go in a circle.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, exactly, And so there really are two effective

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<v Speaker 3>forces to consider there. There's gravity pulling you in and

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<v Speaker 3>then there's this centripetal force pushing you out. So there

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<v Speaker 3>is the possibility to have a balance there. That's where

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<v Speaker 3>the equilibrium comes from. When those two things balance, then

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<v Speaker 3>you have an orbit. When the force of gravity pulling

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<v Speaker 3>in and the centripetal force pushing out balance, then you

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<v Speaker 3>have circular motion. So that's why you can have an

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<v Speaker 3>equilibrium at all. But equilibrium doesn't necessarily mean it's stable.

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.159
<v Speaker 3>You can have stable or unstable equilibria. Like the example

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<v Speaker 3>of a pole balancing in your hand. All the forces

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<v Speaker 3>are balanced there, but as soon as you deviate from it,

0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.240
<v Speaker 3>it falls over, whereas a ball and a cup is

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<v Speaker 3>it's stable equilibrium because the forces are restoring. So now

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<v Speaker 3>we understand why the Earth can be an equilibrium in

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<v Speaker 3>an orbit, but we still have to answer the question

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<v Speaker 3>of whether that's stable or unstable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess I've always thought about it as like,

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm flying through space and I have a velocity

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<v Speaker 1>vector pointing in front of me. I'm going forward, and

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<v Speaker 1>the sun is too exactly to my right. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun is pulling me towards the right, but it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of not affecting my velocity that I have going forward

0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>because it's pulling me per pendicular to that velocity. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to kind of change the direction my velocity,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not going to slow me down or speed

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<v Speaker 1>me up. And if you keep doing that, it traces

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<v Speaker 1>out a circle.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that's right. There's a couple of things going

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<v Speaker 3>on there. You have the constant total velocity, right, your

0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 3>overall velocity, the overall magnitude of your velocity doesn't change,

0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 3>but the direction of it does, and that confuses people sometimes.

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<v Speaker 3>That still counts as acceleration because you're changing like the

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<v Speaker 3>different components of your velocity. So moving in a circle,

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, it doesn't change your overall velocity. That can

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<v Speaker 3>be constant, but the direction of the velocity changes and

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 3>that requires acceleration. And that's what the force of gravity

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<v Speaker 3>is doing. It's changing the direction of your velocity, not

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<v Speaker 3>the overall value, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you're saying that an orbit is when

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<v Speaker 1>that's perfectly balanced, like the force of gravity pushing you

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<v Speaker 1>towards the Sun. But then also you have enough velocity

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of resist that motion. That's when you get

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<v Speaker 1>an orbit, which is a circular kind of path around

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun. But there are I mean, there are many

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<v Speaker 1>other paths, right, Like, if I'm near a big object

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<v Speaker 1>like the Sun, I don't have to fall into an orbit, right,

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I could just, for example, fall straight into the Sun

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>or spiral into the Sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, mm hmm exactly. There's also parabolic trajectories and hyperbolic trajectories, right.

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.200
<v Speaker 3>Things that fall in from the outer Solar system can

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<v Speaker 3>get sling shotted by the Sun and then leave the

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<v Speaker 3>Solar System. So there's lots of different trajectories around the Sun.

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<v Speaker 3>This is sort of a very special arrangement. You have

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<v Speaker 3>the right direction and the right velocity at the right radius,

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<v Speaker 3>then everything settles in and you can just keep doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and it kind of seems lucky that we are

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in an orbit that does go around in a circle.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's because that's kind of how what survived the

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<v Speaker 1>chaos of the Solar system, right, Like, the Solar system

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<v Speaker 1>probably had a bunch of rocks flying all over the place,

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<v Speaker 1>and over the millions of years, maybe billions of years,

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<v Speaker 1>anything that wasn't in an orbit basically fell into the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun or got thrown out, and so anything that remains

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<v Speaker 1>after all that time, it should be in an orbit.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that's right. We only see the things that

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<v Speaker 3>didn't fall into the sun, and so we see the

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<v Speaker 3>bits that have the right radius and velocity match. Right,

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 3>at a given radius, you need a certain velocity to

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<v Speaker 3>have that orbit work. Or so in another way, if

0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 3>you have a certain velocity, you have to be at

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<v Speaker 3>a specific radius, so you have to have those pair match.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't just have an arbitrary velocity and an arbitrary

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<v Speaker 3>radius and expect to be in an orbit for a

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<v Speaker 3>given radius. You have to have a very specific velocity

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<v Speaker 3>to be in an orbit. But that seems like almost impossible, right.

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.199
<v Speaker 3>It seems like, well, if your velocity has to be

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<v Speaker 3>exactly some number, then how did anything end up in orbit,

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<v Speaker 3>because what are the chances that two like real valued

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<v Speaker 3>numbers exactly match.

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<v Speaker 1>Each other, right, Like, maybe I wonder if there could

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<v Speaker 1>have been a planet early in our Solar system's history

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<v Speaker 1>that there were, you know, flowing around the Sun and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, we're in an orbit. This is pretty cool.

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.920
<v Speaker 1>But it turns out they weren't in a circular orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>They were in a spiraling orbit exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you look at the energy dynamics of it,

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<v Speaker 3>it turns out that these orbits actually are stable, meaning

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't have exactly the right value, the physics

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<v Speaker 3>of it tends to push you towards having the right value.

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<v Speaker 3>Or if you have the right value and somebody gives

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<v Speaker 3>you a push, or hey jumps off the planet, or

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 3>an asteroid hits us or Elon Musk launches a super

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.440
<v Speaker 3>heavy rocket. So we deviate a little bit from having

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<v Speaker 3>the right pair of velocity and radius, that actually the

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<v Speaker 3>forces will push us back towards having the right velocity

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<v Speaker 3>and radius. Turns out that just from a gravitational point

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<v Speaker 3>of view, using Newtonian physics, these orbits are stable.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait, wait, wait, are you basically answering the question

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode. So orbits are stable.

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<v Speaker 3>In the simplified universe that we don't live in, where

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<v Speaker 3>we have only one planet and the only thing happening

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<v Speaker 3>is Newton's gravity, then yes, these orbits are stable. But

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<v Speaker 3>of course there's lots of other things going on. The

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<v Speaker 3>Sun is losing its mass, the Earth feels the solar wind, etc. Etc.

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<v Speaker 3>There are other planets hugging on us, so it's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more complicated. But in the simplified view of

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<v Speaker 3>just a single planet orbiting a star, then yes, those

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 3>orbits are stable.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I see way wait wait, So like if the

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<v Speaker 1>Solar System only had one planet, us, then no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what we do, we would be in an orbit.

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<v Speaker 3>If the Solar System had only one planet and the

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<v Speaker 3>Sun lasted forever and there was no solar wind and

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<v Speaker 3>no gravitational radiation and nothing else from outside the Solar

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<v Speaker 3>System affected us, then yes, we would be in an

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<v Speaker 3>orbit that would be stable basically forever.

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<v Speaker 1>But like it has to be one particular orbit, or

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<v Speaker 1>like let's say we're this single planet around the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nobody else, nothing changes in terms of how big

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>it is or what happens to the Sun. Where with

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<v Speaker 1>one planet in the Solar System, and you know, something

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<v Speaker 1>comes and knocks it or gives it some boost in

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>one direction, it's going to move out of the orbit

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>we're in. But is it going to then get into

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<v Speaker 1>another different orbit?

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<v Speaker 3>It depends a lot on how it gets hit. If

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<v Speaker 3>the Earth speeds up a lot, for example, it gets

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<v Speaker 3>hit from behind, then there's another radius that it needs

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.159
<v Speaker 3>in order to have a stable orbit. But it's actually

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.359
<v Speaker 3>likely to slide over into that radius because the energy

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 3>configuration is stable. If the Earth has too much velocity,

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 3>then the balance of the forces will tend to push

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 3>it towards the radius it needs for that velocity. On

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 3>the other hand, if it gets pushed like from the side,

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 3>that it gets kicked out a little bit, then it

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<v Speaker 3>might actually oscillate and move from a circular orbit to

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<v Speaker 3>an elliptical orbit, which is sort of like a circular orbit,

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 3>but you're like sloshing back and forth a little bit.

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 3>There's like a harmonic motion around a circular orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, let's say I have the Earth and we're

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<v Speaker 1>the only planet in the Solar System, and I attach

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<v Speaker 1>some rockets to the back of the Earth and I

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>fire them up. I'm going to speed up is that

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get me into like an elliptical orbit then around

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun, or is it going to be like a

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<v Speaker 1>totally chaotic orbit, Like I feel like the only reason

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>we tend to think of orbits as stable is because.

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<v Speaker 4>They're pretty circular, right, But you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Also go around the Sun for a long time, going

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>around in like big ellipses, right, Like, you're really far

0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 1>from the Sun, and then you fly towards the some

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>you get really close, but you fly really fast, and

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>then you shoot past the Sun, and then you come

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<v Speaker 1>back and you do the same thing over and over,

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and maybe that big ellipse is not always the same.

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 1>You're sort of going around and around the Sun, but

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>you're still sort of you're not falling into the Sun exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>That ellipse can also be a stable orbit. It's not circular,

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 3>but it can be stable, and you can think of

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 3>it as having two components. You can think of it

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 3>as a circular orbit plus motion relative to that circular

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 3>orbit where you're slashing in and out and in and out,

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<v Speaker 3>and that whole arrangement can be stable. You can be

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 3>in a circular orbit forever around a star without ever

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 3>falling in. And the reason is something you just mentioned,

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 3>which is at your speed and your radius vary. Say

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 3>somebody comes along and pushes us towards the Sun, for example.

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 3>So now we fall in a little bit towards the

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<v Speaker 3>Sun and gravity is getting stronger. But we're now also

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<v Speaker 3>going to speed up. So when we come around the curve,

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 3>we're going to be going fast enough to go further

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 3>out than we used to. That's going to slow us down,

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 3>and gravity is going to pull on us slowing us down.

0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 3>We're going to use up our energy climbing out of

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<v Speaker 3>the gravitational well, and then we're going to come back

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 3>and we're going to slosh back and forth around that

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 3>original circular orbit. That's what I mean when I say

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<v Speaker 3>that it's stable. There's forces of gravity pulling you back

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 3>towards it, and then there's this centripetal force effectively pushing

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 3>you back towards your orbit, and those two forces are

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 3>encouraging you to stay in that orbit to.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you elliptical orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Like if I put some booster rockets on the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna maybe make the Earth' spiral land. It's

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>going to make it just it's just going to change

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<v Speaker 1>the shape of the orbit, or is that true, or

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<v Speaker 1>is there a possibility for me to fall into the sun.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a possibility for you to fall into the sun, absolutely,

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 3>if you push hard enough, right, stability is always approximate.

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 3>It's always possible to get out of the orbit. If

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 3>you put in enough energy in that rocket, you can

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 3>escape the Sun's gravity, or if you turn really really hard,

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 3>you can drive right into the Sun. But small deviations

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 3>will return to the stable orbit, to a.

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 4>Stable orbit, right, not necessarily the one we're in right now.

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, And it might be circular, and it

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 3>might be elliptical, depends exactly on the kick that you

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 3>give it. You can also change your circular orbit to

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 3>another circular orbit, So that's basically an ellipse with zero eccentricity,

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 3>and so that's a little bit less likely to happen.

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 3>So if you're in a perfectly circular orbit, I think

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 3>the most likely thing if you get a kick is

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 3>to end up in a slightly elliptical orbit.

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Or if you're in a slightly elliptical orbit, if you

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<v Speaker 1>get a kick, then you're saying the most likely thing

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>is that they'll just change the shape of that lips right.

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>In my twist urn my turn, it might get rounder

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>or narrower, but will still be in an orbit that

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the Earth will want to stay in.

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, So there's lots of different stable configurations. Circular

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 3>orbits are like a special condition of elliptical orbits. Really,

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 3>circles are like a special kind of ellipse than ellipse

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 3>with zero eccentricity. So if you think about all orbits

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 3>as elliptical, and circular ones are like one particular kind

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 3>of elliptical orbit. But yes, elliptical orbits are a stable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think a big reason we're here a lie

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<v Speaker 1>full of animals and plants around us is that our

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>orbit is pretty circular. Like if you look at a

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>picture of it, you couldn't probably tell that it's not

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a perfect circle.

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the eccentricity is not huge, and you're right, if

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 3>it was much greater, we would have more dramatic seasons.

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, you know, you think about just how different

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>summer and winter are, and that's just because of our tilt.

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>But like, if our orbit was elliptical and we flew

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot closer to the Sun in some parts of

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the year, I mean we basically be toast right and

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 1>we would freeze the other parts of the year.

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right. And there are very elliptical orbits that

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<v Speaker 3>would in principle be stable but would not be survivable.

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 3>So stable and survivable are not the same thing.

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>So it's not just about the goldilocks soon right, being

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<v Speaker 1>at the right distance from the Sun. It's also about

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>having a pretty circular orbit, right, so that things are stable.

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, yeah, that's important.

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 4>All right.

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, as you said, this stability and this ability to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in orbit is only good if it's in a

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 1>perfect universe where we're the only planet in our solar system. Unfortunately,

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>as most kids know, having siblings is kind of a

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 1>hard thing to deal with. You can really throw your

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>household in this array. So let's get into what could

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe knock us out of our orbit or at least

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>make that orbit unstable, and what we have any control

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>over those things. But first let's take another quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're asking the question how stable is Earth's orbit,

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>and it sounds like in the perfect world, orbits are

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty stable.

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Universes in which you have three directions of space

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.959
<v Speaker 3>like XYZ have stable gravitational orbits if you have nothing

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 3>else going on. What's fascinating to think about is that

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 3>other universes with like two dimensional space or four dimensional

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 3>space don't actually have the same kind of balance. Is

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<v Speaker 3>balance you talked about where gravity pulls are you at

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 3>just the right strength to bend your velocity? That perfect

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 3>balance only happens in three dimensional space and four D

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 3>and two D space centrifugal force and gravity both change

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 3>and they don't balance each other. There aren't stable orbits

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<v Speaker 3>in two D or four D space.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, what like isn't the Earth basically going around a

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>flat ellipse? Aren't we technically in two D?

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 3>We're not technically in two D because gravity gets dispersed

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 3>in three dimensions, right, So if there's only two dimensions

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 3>of space, then the dependence of gravity would be different.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, All right, Well, as you said, this is only

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 1>in a perfect world, But we don't live in a

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 1>perfect world. There are other things in the Solar system

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.879
<v Speaker 1>that things can change in the Solar system. So let's

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about some of the things that could maybe knock

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>the Earth out of its orbit.

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:29.320
<v Speaker 3>So, of course, the Sun is the source of our gravity,

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 3>and the gravity of the Sun comes from its mass.

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.319
<v Speaker 3>But the Sun's mass is not actually constant. The way

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<v Speaker 3>that the Sun lights up our skies and heats up

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 3>our days is that it burns its fuel. It's converting

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 3>mass into energy in order to send it to us,

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 3>and so it's actually dropping its mass, which means the

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 3>Sun's gravity is actually fading.

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 4>It's burning up.

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 3>It is burning up because the fundamental process inside the

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Sun that produces that light is fusion, which converts mass

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 3>into energy. Like if you take four protons and you

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 3>convert them into helium four, which is two protons and

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 3>two neutrons, they don't have the same amount of mass

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 3>as those four protons. Remember, mass is not a measure

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 3>the amount of stuff. It's actually measured the internal stored energy.

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.240
<v Speaker 3>And that arrangement of all those quirks and a helium

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 3>four nucleus has less stored energy than four individual protons

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 3>by aboutzo point seven percent, which means that every time

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.240
<v Speaker 3>fusion happens, the Sun loses mass.

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's basically burning away it's itself, right like it's

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like a log eventually burns down into

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a pile of ashes.

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, of course, the Sun is really massive, and

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 3>even though it burns like four million tons of mass

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 3>every second, Right, every single second, the Sun loses four

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 3>million tons of its mass. That energy flies away in

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 3>photons and in the solar wind. But over the lifetime

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 3>of the Sun, that only adds up to like the

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 3>mass of Saturn, which is a tiny, tiny fraction of

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:00.280
<v Speaker 3>the mass of the Sun.

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Wait, over billions of years, the Sun is only going

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to lose the equivalent of one Saturn' sports of mass.

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.399
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't seem like a lot. I mean, Saturn is big,

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>but it's tiny compared to the Sun.

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:13.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right. Saturn is tiny compared to the Sun.

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 3>But of course it has an effect on the Sun's mass,

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 3>which has an effect on the Sun's gravity, And so

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 3>every year the Sun loses enough mass, so the Earth's

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.320
<v Speaker 3>orbit gets larger by about a centimeter and a half

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 3>every year because the Sun's gravity is getting weaker.

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 4>Whoa, every year.

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 3>Every year we got a centimeter and a half further

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.919
<v Speaker 3>from the Sun. We're like slowly spiraling out.

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 4>So is our orbit then it just getting bigger or orbit?

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right. Every time the Sun loses mass, there's

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 3>a new radius where we would have a stable orbit.

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 3>So if you took like a scoop of stuff out

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 3>of the Sun. And the Sun lost its mass, the

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 3>Earth would slide out a little bit into a new

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 3>stable orbit. And reality is happening on a continuous basis.

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 3>The Sun is losing its mass and the Earth is

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 3>sliding out, So at any moment it's in this stable orbit.

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 3>But the stable orbit is actually changing with time because

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 3>the Sun is losing mass over time.

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:11.479
<v Speaker 1>But I think an average humanity is gaining weight in general, right,

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 1>So wouldn't that mean that.

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 4>Our gray stronger. I'm just thinking, like a five year old.

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Deer, if you eat the Earth, you gain weight, But

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.760
<v Speaker 3>the U plus Earth system doesn't get any more massive.

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Although weaight, are we getting energy from the Sun And

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 1>isn't some of that energy being converted into I don't

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>know things and plants for us to eat.

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that actually does have an effect. All the photons

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 3>hitting the Earth and all the energy hitting the Earth

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 3>does have an effect on the Earth, and it actually

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 3>pushes it. Right, The Earth is like a big solar sail.

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 3>I remember we talked about how photons can push on

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 3>things even though they don't have mass, they have momentum

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 3>and you can like fly a spaceship if you have

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 3>a huge solar sail which catches those photons. So the

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 3>Earth is kind of like a big solar sail. And

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 3>that's another effect we didn't include when we thought about

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 3>just the simple Newtonian view. So all of photons hitting

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 3>the Earth do push it a little bit, but the

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 3>effect is super duper tiny because the Earth is pretty massive.

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 3>The calculation suggests that over a million years, that increases

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 3>the Earth's orbital radius by about the width of a proton.

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:15.360
<v Speaker 4>Wow, that's tiny.

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's basically something we can ignore.

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>But I wonder, like we've talked about how, like you know,

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.280
<v Speaker 1>mass is really just energy, and that concentration of energy

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:28.320
<v Speaker 1>is what affects your gravity and how you bend space

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>around them with that energy. So does that mean like

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the horder the Earth gets, the more gravity we have.

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as the Earth heats up, you have more mass.

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 3>Like when you put a rock in the sun and

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 3>it absorbs photons, it doesn't just get hotter. It has

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.919
<v Speaker 3>more internal stored energy, It has more mass, it has

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 3>more inertia, it bends space more. The same way like

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 3>if you take a box of mirrors and you shine

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 3>a flashlight in it, and then slam it closed. You've

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.760
<v Speaker 3>trapped those photons inside that box gains mass.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, interesting, I'm guessing it's not maybe not enough to

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<v Speaker 1>counteract or to change our orbit around the Sun, or

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>is it?

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 3>No, that's not enough. The overall effect from the Sun's

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 3>energy hitting the Earth is to push it to transfer

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 3>our momentum. But really these effects are totally negligible compared

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.359
<v Speaker 3>to the Sun losing its mass. This is basically something

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 3>we can ignore.

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Although it depends on how hot you make the Earth,

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 1>doesn't it by if you make it super duper hot,

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>it is going to be heavier.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, And the Sun actually is getting hotter

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 3>every year and it's growing. Something else to think about

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 3>over these very long times is whether the Earth is

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 3>going to get gobbled by the Sun. Right as the

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:39.319
<v Speaker 3>Sun burns its fuel and gets a helium core, then

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 3>the fusion starts to happen the outer edges and it

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 3>puffs out and the radius of the Sun grows really,

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 3>really large. The estimates are that eventually the radius of

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 3>the Sun will be two hundred times its current radius,

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:55.240
<v Speaker 3>which puts it right about where the Earth's orbit is today.

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:58.919
<v Speaker 1>Mm, which will be bad news for anyone on Earth

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>at that time, right, it'll be way too hot.

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:02.839
<v Speaker 3>It'll be way too hot. Though. It's actually a really

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.840
<v Speaker 3>interesting and complicated calculation because the Sun gets larger, and

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 3>it would be very bad for the Earth obviously to

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 3>get enveloped by the outer layers to the Sun, because

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 3>not only would it be super hot, but it would

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 3>drag on us. It would tend to slow us down

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:16.760
<v Speaker 3>and then we're very likely to fall into the Sun.

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, the Sun is losing mass,

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:23.320
<v Speaker 3>so the Earth is spiraling out as the Sun grows,

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 3>So it's kind of a close race, like the Earth

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 3>is drifting away and the Sun is like trying to

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:28.399
<v Speaker 3>catch us.

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Wait, even if the Sun grows, as long as it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't grow more than the orbit of the Earth, doesn't

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it feel the same to the Earth, Like you know,

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>it feels like a point mass.

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.359
<v Speaker 3>Exactly as long as the Sun is contained within the

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Earth's orbit, then you're right. It doesn't matter how that's distributed,

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 3>big or small, a point mass, a black hole, the

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 3>current Sun, it's all the same gravitationally. But if it

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 3>does pass the Earth, then any parts of the Sun

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 3>that are outside of our orbit no longer contribute gravity

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.280
<v Speaker 3>to pulling on us, and then we feel a drag

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 3>as because we're flying basically through the Sun's outer at sphere,

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:02.959
<v Speaker 3>and that would just kill the stability of our orbit.

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I feel like if we're flying through the Sun, we

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>have other things to worry about, exactly, or like if

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>we were still if we were still on Earth at

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.319
<v Speaker 1>that time, it seems like it wouldn't matter if you're

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 1>going to fall into the Sun or not, like you're

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:16.879
<v Speaker 1>already in the Sun.

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm. But because as the Sun gets bigger, it

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 3>also gets less massive, it's losing its mass. The Earth

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 3>is going to be sliding away from the Sun as

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 3>it gets puffy. So the estimates are like the Sun

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 3>will grow to a few hundred times its current radius

0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 3>and the Earth will drift out to like a little

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 3>bit further than that. But the calculations are very uncertain,

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 3>and so it's not clear whether the Earth is going

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 3>to get engulfed by the outer atmosphere of the Sun

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 3>or if we're going to like escape that in orbit

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:44.760
<v Speaker 3>at a new distance.

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like maybe neither of those things is

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>making our orbit unstable, you know what I mean, Like,

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>neither of those things is enough to either make a

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>spiral into the Sun or kick us out of the

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<v Speaker 1>Solar System.

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<v Speaker 3>They won't kick us out of the Solar System if

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<v Speaker 3>we do enter the upper atmosphere of the Sun and

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<v Speaker 3>the orbit's unstable because the drag is just going to

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.360
<v Speaker 3>serp all of our energy and it's like a satellite

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 3>orbiting in low Earth orbit, getting slowed down by the

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 3>atmosphere and eventually plummeting to Earth.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, what else can disturb our orbit in space?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, another big problem are the other planets, Right, It's

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<v Speaker 3>not just the Earth and the Sun. Jupiter and Saturn

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 3>are very tiny compared to the Sun, but they're not

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<v Speaker 3>something we can totally ignore. And the problem is that

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<v Speaker 3>while two objects can be in very stable orbits for

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<v Speaker 3>a very long time, three objects are chaotic. We talked

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<v Speaker 3>about this on our episode about the three body problem.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just a cool science fiction novel. It's actually

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<v Speaker 3>a real thing in physics that three objects have a

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 3>hard time being stable for long periods of time, and

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<v Speaker 3>so as Jupiter and Saturn tug on us, they basically

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<v Speaker 3>disturb our orbit.

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:49.280
<v Speaker 1>You sort of like romantic relationships, like two is barely

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 1>stable but three, that's just asking for trouble.

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 3>And if they push hard enough where they get lucky

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<v Speaker 3>or we get unlucky, then they can disturb our orbit

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.720
<v Speaker 3>in a way that like ejects us from the Solar System.

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<v Speaker 3>And we think that this is happened. We think that

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<v Speaker 3>there have been planets in our Solar System which were

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<v Speaker 3>ejected by Jupiter and Saturn.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's kind of a wonder that it hasn't happened, right, Like,

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter is there, Like, we're not just a three body

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>system in our Solar System. We're like a you know,

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 1>ten or ten million body problem because of all the asteroids.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it kind of a wonder that we are in

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<v Speaker 1>a stable orbit given everything that's flap flying out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is kind of amazing that we're left here, right.

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 3>We think that Jupiter traveled in towards the inner Solar

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.720
<v Speaker 3>System and then back out. There might have been another

0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 3>gas giant that got ejected. It's sort of amazing that

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 3>any planets survived that sort of chaotic motion. And especially

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<v Speaker 3>in the future, we think that as the Sun gets weaker,

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:45.399
<v Speaker 3>Jupiter and Saturn's orbits will become more chaotic because they're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be as tightly held, and then in

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 3>turn they will add more chaos to the rest of

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 3>the Solar System. So in some simulations I looked at,

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<v Speaker 3>Jupiter ends up being the only planet, like even if

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 3>the Earth escapes being engulfed by the Sun's atmosphere as

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 3>it grows, because it acted by Jupiter. And in the

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:03.759
<v Speaker 3>long term future, the Solar system is just a big

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 3>puffy Sun and Jupiter.

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Mmmm.

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<v Speaker 4>You see. And this is due to the Sun losing mass.

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Sun loses mass and so it doesn't pull

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:12.880
<v Speaker 3>on Jupiter as hard and it makes Jupiter more chaotic.

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 4>But again, this is in a few billion years, right.

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 3>This is in a few billion years exactly. So you

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 3>should buy your Earth stability insurance now and pay your

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 3>premiums every single year until then.

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:23.959
<v Speaker 4>No, you should wait a few billion years.

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when something's gonna happen, you should buy it

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 1>right before it happens. That's how insurance works.

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:31.919
<v Speaker 3>We're not gonna be offering this insurance in a billion years.

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:33.919
<v Speaker 3>This is your one time offer.

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:36.760
<v Speaker 1>To pay us a billion dollars for a billion years.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, What are some other things that could maybe

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 1>knock our orbit out of orbit.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, other sources of chaos are things outside the Solar System, right,

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Like other stars can pass kind of nearby our Solar

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 3>system and give it a little kick, like a little perturbation.

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 3>This already happens, Like other stars come close enough that

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 3>they can like tweak stuff in the Org cloud, this

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 3>vast system of trillions of icy objects in the very

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 3>distant Solar System. Some of them then get knocked in

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:05.919
<v Speaker 3>and become comets which burn their way into the Solar

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 3>System and whip around the Sun. But if other stars

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 3>come closer, for example, then they could perturb the orbits

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 3>of planets themselves. Right.

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we had that object, oh we uh right, come

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:20.759
<v Speaker 1>through our Solar System from out of space a few

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 1>years ago.

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:23.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right. Nobody really knows what.

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 4>That thing was, or how to pronounce it correctly, or.

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 3>If it was actually alien space junk. But it's a

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 3>cool example of how we're not the only things out there. Right,

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.440
<v Speaker 3>We do bump into stuff from other Solar systems, and

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:37.759
<v Speaker 3>the galaxy is chaotic. You know, the stars are all

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 3>moving in different velocities relative to each other, So we

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.919
<v Speaker 3>get further and closer to other stars. There's another star

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 3>called Lease seven to ten, which is expected to pass

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 3>near our solar system in about a million years, and

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 3>that could have a gravitational impact on all the orbits.

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 3>And remember, if it tugs on Jupiter, or Jupiter could

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.280
<v Speaker 3>then tug on us. It can all become very chaotic

0:45:58.400 --> 0:45:58.920
<v Speaker 3>very quickly.

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 1>But I guess stars are easy to see coming, Like

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 1>you say, we know this one's going to fly by

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:04.359
<v Speaker 1>in a million years.

0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're easier to see coming. They're harder to do

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 3>something about. We talked once about building a star sized

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:12.280
<v Speaker 3>rocket ship, like flying in the Sun into a different

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 3>spot in the galaxy to avoid oncoming stars. It might

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 3>take us a million years to figure that out.

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 4>Or just wait for the insurance premium to pay us.

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 3>That's right, Sit back and relax.

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 1>You're covered all right. Now, what's the last thing that

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 1>could maybe push us out of orbit?

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 3>So even if you don't worry about Jupiter, and you

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:32.960
<v Speaker 3>assume the Sun is going to be there forever and

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 3>all sorts of chaotic things are not something to worry about,

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:38.799
<v Speaker 3>there's still a gravitational issue. The reason I said that

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<v Speaker 3>a Newtonian system is stable over long periods of time

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 3>is that Newtonian gravity ignores gravitational radiation. Anytime you have

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.640
<v Speaker 3>an object that's accelerating and moving in a circular orbit

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 3>councils acceleration, it gives off gravitational waves because gravity is

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.320
<v Speaker 3>not actually a force, it's actually the curvature of space

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 3>affecting how things move, and when things accelerate, they create

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:03.280
<v Speaker 3>ripple in that space. These are gravitational waves. We've seen

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:07.439
<v Speaker 3>gravitational waves from orbiting objects like black holes orbiting each

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 3>other give us those gravitational waves. They radiate away energy,

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:13.239
<v Speaker 3>so that means that as the Earth is going around

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 3>the Sun, it's also generating gravitational waves and losing energy.

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 3>So in principle, over a very long amount of time,

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 3>the Earth will radiate away its energy and fall into

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 3>the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA, but that's not going to happen for a while, right, Yeah.

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 3>We estimate that it loses about one proton with in

0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 3>radius every thousand years, So if you do the calculation,

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 3>it's like ten to the twenty six years before the

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:41.399
<v Speaker 3>Earth spirals into the Sun, which is about ten quadrillion

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 3>times the current age of the universe. So yeah, not

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.960
<v Speaker 3>something to worry about, but in principle, over a very

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:50.800
<v Speaker 3>very long times gravitational radiation will cause us to lose

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:52.439
<v Speaker 3>our energy and spiral into the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, it sounds like the message or the

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 1>answer to the question is that the Earth's orbit is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty stable, at least in the sh It sounds like

0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.239
<v Speaker 1>most orbits are stable, and the fact that we are

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:08.320
<v Speaker 1>in a stable orbit probably means that we're going to

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>be here for a while. But of course the universe

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of surprises, and we are in a

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of chaotic system with other planets in our Solar system,

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:20.799
<v Speaker 1>so something could happen in the near future, but it's unlikely.

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 3>That's right. So in a Newtonian system, in principle, it's stable.

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 3>An object orbiting the Sun can do that forever, but

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 3>once you add gravitational radiation for Einsteini and gravity, then

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:35.920
<v Speaker 3>eventually it's going to fall into the Sun. And once

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 3>you add other things in the Solar system, then you

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 3>add chaos which are going to perturb those orbits. And

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 3>once you consider the fact that the Sun itself is

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 3>losing its mass and changing its gravitational pull on the Earth,

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 3>then over those very long time scales, the Earth's orbit

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 3>is not stable, but over short time scales, we don't

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 3>have anything to worry about.

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 1>So I guess maybe you don't need that insurance after all.

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<v Speaker 1>So the next time you jump, feel free to jump

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 1>as high as you can or want. The Earth is

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna stay where it is, going around the sun, and

0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the sun will rise tomorrow most likely. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we hope you enjoyed that. Thanks for joining us, see

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:12.719
<v Speaker 1>you next time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for listening, and remember that Daniel and Jorge explain

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:27.440
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