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Speaker 2: Episode four ninety three. Eric Passley.

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Speaker 3: Eric has had a bunch of hits as a songwriter.

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Speaker 3: That song was awesome, ended up being a top ten

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Speaker 3: He's got tour dates set up all across Europe in

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Speaker 3: here he is episode four ninety three, Eric Passley. We

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Speaker 3: Don't know, because if you like my wife, you'll never

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Speaker 3: I know, but that's another thing about why I've been

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Speaker 3: I don't care if your mind that. I can't feel.

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Speaker 3: And also, don't they say, like you have have to

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Speaker 3: Won't be so wrong with that, you know, get them

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Speaker 3: A lot of it. No, you're good. I trust you though.

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Speaker 3: It's good all the time. There's no difference brought to

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll come sing in your backyard if you

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Speaker 3: If you're creepy as long as you're not creepy alone

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight percent of them are with weirdos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you got you know, you got your your

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Speaker 3: No, but for different reasons. I think people should hire

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Speaker 1: But for people, don't pick on me. That's yeah, true.

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Speaker 3: For me, it's I don't even mind if they're weird.

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Speaker 1: With Yeah, because the commit you got content, come on,

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Speaker 2: Get the heye, give me yoursel phone number. That happens

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Speaker 1: Like, you know, I give them an email address that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a neurotic creative. I have no red dots,

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Speaker 3: It's like I don't want to miss something because if

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Speaker 1: You'll be completely worthless and no one will love you

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Speaker 3: But we've already been there. That's fine, But that is like,

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Speaker 1: If you know, artists want to write five days a week,

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Speaker 3: you think I'm first of all? Do you think I'm kidding? Okay,

433
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,919
Speaker 3: so you think I was just with him and I

434
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 3: all I did was like, oh, that's a great idea,

435
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 3: here's the.

436
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 2: Word of the and then I'm a writer. You don't

437
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 2: think I can contribute?

438
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, think about it.

439
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 2: I'll come back to you.

440
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 3: What's Oh if I wrote that, I would never stop

441
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 3: talking about that song, She Don't Love You? That is

442
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 3: one of the best country songs in the past twenty years.

443
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 3: Thanks man, and I let's just go there for a second.

444
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: If you don't mind, Yeah, that's not it. Read. I'll

445
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 3: be coming back to you though for an answer. And

446
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 3: it's real. This is not a joke, Mike. You know it.

447
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 1: And it went number one, right, Yes, Yes, we have

448
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: a number one song together. We do.

449
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 3: We'ren't saying no more. Read. We've moved on with the conversation.

450
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 2: We love you, buddy, but you've had two guesses.

451
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 3: We're going to come back for another one in a minute,

452
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 3: And I do want to talk about like current stuff

453
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 3: with you too, but she don't love you of all

454
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 3: the songs that I've heard, and I want to just

455
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 3: be complimentary of what I've heard with my ears like

456
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 3: that to me, that song was that was classic when

457
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 3: I heard it the first time, which aren't words I

458
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 3: don't know that I've ever used ever on this podcast,

459
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: and I don't think I'm just saying that because you're here.

460
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 3: I hope my efforts to get as many people to

461
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 3: hear that song as possible because I was so passionate

462
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 3: about it, and you and Jen.

463
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: You capital even the only one that made sure people

464
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: heard it. Well, there was a bunch of there was

465
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: a handful of you at radio that played a ballot

466
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: at a time when when those feelings songs were definitely

467
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: not happening.

468
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 2: Like I get chills thinking about it because I haven't

469
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: thought about that.

470
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 3: Song, and thank you so that song it ended up

471
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 3: being nominated for awards too.

472
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were like, I think it was a Song

473
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: of the Year at the ACMs, and it meant a

474
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 1: lot because I sang it and wrote it and I've

475
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: been nominated for the only other awards well, I guess

476
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: a Grammy. We were nominated for as a performer, but

477
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: a lot of them were as a writer, you know,

478
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: so it meant a lot as a singer.

479
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 3: And I remember just dialing in and going, this is

480
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 3: my early days here too, and it's one I really was.

481
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: I'd find music I was passionate about, and I actually

482
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 3: had a bit more influence then because there weren't as

483
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: many avenues. I have influence now in different ways that

484
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: I did not have then and have don't have as

485
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: much in ways that I did. That was one where

486
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: I had music influence. Yeah, And I was like, if

487
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: you guys all love this song, like I can't be

488
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 3: your friend and I will play it all the time.

489
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's I mean, you kept it alive. But

490
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: it's like when when everyone at radio isn't playing the song,

491
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: like that's the interesting thing. Most people, I'll say, hey,

492
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: what do you think that song went on the charts?

493
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: Because in Nashville we're so driven by charts?

494
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 3: Can I guess? And I guess too before you said.

495
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: Answer, yeah, what do you think ten? Uh? What got

496
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: to fifteen?

497
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 3: Okay?

498
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: But everybody thinks it like went to you know radio,

499
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: you know I was a part, Yes, but most everythinks

500
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: is the number one song, and that The interesting thing

501
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: about this is, uh, I mean on music row as

502
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: a songwriter, and for me with Jen Wayne, it's like

503
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: she wrote that. With me, it's like, gosh, she only

504
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: got paid as a fifteen even though everybody believes it's

505
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: the number one. But that being said, it still gets

506
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: played off. So it is the positive side of that

507
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: is when I talk to writers and artists, it's like, hey,

508
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: your song doesn't have to go number one to affect people.

509
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: And that's one thing. Same thing with high Class we

510
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: got to High Class is I went to Colorado and

511
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: played a show and these big old dudes, cowboy guys

512
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: came up to me and mf me up and down

513
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: because I didn't play high Class and they were like, dude,

514
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: we only like line dance to it three times a

515
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: night out here, right. Apparently they're line dance into high

516
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: Class all the time, and I didn't know that. It

517
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: makes it different because the song only went to number

518
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: thirty because we were five years too soon. So okay,

519
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm deep diving in there nostalgia. But it is I

520
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: like that.

521
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 3: I want to take a step back. Though I did nothing.

522
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: I didn't write the song. I didn't discover the song.

523
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: I did not make the song a hit. I think

524
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 3: there were times where people hadn't yet given it the

525
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: chance it deserved because I I didn't even I think

526
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: I saved it a couple times to where it forced

527
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: people to listen to it a little more, and then

528
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: they did what was smart was to keep it alive,

529
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 3: and then it kind of caught. That's what I remember

530
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: about that song, just being so passionate about it, and

531
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: like you'd be like, oh, they're about to get a

532
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 3: down arrow do it. I would cheat. I would just

533
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: be like, well, I'm playing I'm on three hundred stations,

534
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: I'm playing the song every day, twice a day, and

535
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 3: you don't need things to make me now. This is like,

536
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 3: but if the song wasn't great, I wouldn't have done it.

537
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't still be playing shows if he didn't play.

538
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: Something That is also not true. I'm not looking for

539
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: any credit. All I'm saying is that song was so

540
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: good it made me want to do things that I

541
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: did not do, and I was just lucky enough to

542
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: know you and I know Jen, and Jen is also

543
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: a runaway June and I know Jen, But that was

544
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: one of the best country songs in the past twenty

545
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: five years and nice and I love it and I

546
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: hope people still like react to it.

547
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they know it. I mean as a song. The

548
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: more I the more you involved in music and everything,

549
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm able to look at a song and just be like, man, yeah,

550
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: and it's true. We wrote a classic song and probably

551
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: thirty minutes it just fell out of the sky.

552
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: Really.

553
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, just need to be written. And that being said,

554
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: it's the thing about songwriter, it's just a muscle. It's

555
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: when the right idea shows up, you don't mess it

556
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: up too bad. When they give you the right pitch,

557
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: you can you can hit the grand Slam. You can

558
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: really hit it out of the park and hopefully people

559
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: are in the stands to hear the hit.

560
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

561
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

562
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Speaker 3: Give me the quick version of just sit in a room.

563
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: Who's in the room where the idea came from? And

564
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: it fell out like encapsulate that for me.

565
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times we're writing some uptempo

566
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: positive thing. Another line came out, and that's what happened.

567
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: We were writing something because Jennifer Wayne's grandfather is John Wayne,

568
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: and uh, George Straight ha just announced the cowboy rides

569
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: away to her. So too many cowboys rode away. That's

570
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: where that line came from, because on our mind we

571
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: had George straight cowboy rides away to her and uh,

572
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: and this line came up. Yes she don't love, Yes,

573
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: she just lonely, and we were like, that's interesting, what

574
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: was that? And so we wrote it.

575
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: You had to change a pace though, m hm risky

576
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 3: because to hear you writing a song to just catch

577
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: radio or to have something fun.

578
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: Total tempo positive for George's you know, end of the

579
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: tour Cowboys song and we I don't even know what

580
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: it was. I know it couldn't have been too bad.

581
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: We probably should go back and listen to it.

582
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: Isn't it so fun though, to write ballads because you

583
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 3: can actually get a message out that people will hear

584
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: you can.

585
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: You can do it in an up tempo It's just

586
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't got anywhere clever.

587
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: I don't take them. I don't know the words. And

588
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: up tempo songs I know the melodies. Never listen to

589
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: words too fast. Yeah, ballads, I'm in Yeah, I know

590
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 3: every word. I'm feeling the motion. Let me think about it.

591
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: She don't love you, She's just lonely.

592
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

593
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: What do you think?

594
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: What I think it means is here's a guy who

595
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: sees his X with another dude and he's like, bro,

596
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 3: she don't love you. She's just sad and by herself,

597
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: so just missing. Don't get the big head because it's

598
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: probably about me.

599
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of unhealthy but healthy. Yeah.

600
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: Would that be accurate? Is to have what you guys

601
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: were thinking?

602
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: I mean at the emotion I was feeling at the time.

603
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: It was just heartbreak and anything to make you feel

604
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: like it's all right.

605
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: The emotion you were feeling in real life. Yeah, that

606
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: was happening with you.

607
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

608
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: I won't push farther.

609
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: That's fine. Well we'll we'll talk on the next one. No,

610
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: it's real life.

611
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: We're not done. You're going home to go now? No?

612
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: No, I mean it's you know, you go through stuff

613
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: in life and I think you're making the right choice

614
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: and all that, and uh, feelings show up in songs,

615
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, and the honest truth is it wasn't the truth.

616
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: The truth of what the situation was was not she

617
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: don't love you, she just lonely. Just the line showed up.

618
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: And when you're in Heartbreakville, you're able to write those

619
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: songs even more honest. But yeah, I'm glad the song

620
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: showed up.

621
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.

622
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: Uh the one you were just talking about, the line

623
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: dancing one.

624
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh, high Class? Do you know that I hid that song?

625
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: I hit that song me the melon, I need you

626
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: to sing me the Meloani and.

627
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: That we high class, give me my chaves on inside.

628
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: I'll just in blast.

629
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: That was a jam.

630
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: I hid that song from the label and they found it.

631
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: Dang it. I told them it was five years too soon.

632
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: That song was a jam, and I needed you to

633
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: do that to get me back to it. Oh yeah,

634
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: that song comes out later. That's a freaking I.

635
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: Hit it well because it was right after She Don't

636
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: Love You. I was like, we just went over every

637
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: country person. We can't play high Class. They're gonna all

638
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: think I went bro country and turned my back on them,

639
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: like it's the song. I'm like, well, I first you

640
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: here we go.

641
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: I didn't understand what you meant at first when he

642
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: said it was too it was too early.

643
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: Mike, I feel like I'm away. I mean that sounds

644
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: like I'm I typically am creatively five years too soon.

645
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: Hold on a minute.

646
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: You wrote with Warren Zeiders Ride the Lightning.

647
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the first song I think he ever

648
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: wrote in Nashville.

649
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: What the heck?

650
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: He so? He Uh? His so the story of what

651
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: he was writing about in the beginning that Warren told me,

652
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he wants it's fine, it's

653
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: the truth of his life, but he's the story was

654
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: something about like he had a character that he had

655
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: that was in jail for killing his dad or for

656
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: hurting his mom and this and that. So he was like,

657
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: his his songs are based off of a imaginary, you know,

658
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: character of himself. And uh, he was like, so he's

659
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: in he's on death row. And he was like, yeah,

660
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: he's on death row for killing his dad or something

661
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: like that. I'm like, well, you know they call that

662
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: ride riding the Lightning. You know, when you're in the

663
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: electric chair, ride the light and know that, And that's

664
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: that's what the song is. And uh, and a lot

665
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 1: of house on the golf course the other day at

666
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: a fundraiser, Saint Jude fund raiser, and this dude played

667
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: that song like three times, and the fourth time it

668
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: came around, I'm like, hey, man, I wrote that. I

669
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: actually wrote that one. I was like, you really like

670
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: that song? You go away man? You know. I was like, yeah,

671
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: I wrote that, and I was like, you know what

672
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: that's about? And he goes no. I just thought it

673
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: was cool, like ride the Light and yeah. Man, I'm like, well,

674
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: it's about the electric chair.

675
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: He's like, what like a metallic I thought, yeah, I

676
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: didn't know that was like the term for you're about

677
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: to get the electric chair.

678
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: I mean maybe I maybe only one person that taught

679
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: that to me made it up, But.

680
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: I like it. Though, read what's the song we wrote? No,

681
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: that's a good one. They'll read just yeld Barefoot, Blue

682
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: g Knight, Please hold your other guesses.

683
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: That is a song.

684
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: And I have been very close with Jake on and

685
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: off through and Jake and I have a similar thing

686
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: as you.

687
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: They're just years we didn't be. We weren't even frinds

688
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: for a while.

689
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: Now because if anything else, bought a freaking farm out

690
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: two hundred miles away and but anytime I called Jake,

691
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: He's like, he texted me this morning. I talked in

692
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: a few months even, and we've gone on vacation together.

693
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: And that song is as much of him as anything

694
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: else that is him, because that song is him.

695
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And well even there like Riverside Down on the Riverside,

696
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 1: there was a spot that he grew up going to

697
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: in Florida and was just by.

698
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Chance complimentary to you and a Jake.

699
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: Even for Jake to go that song is so me

700
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: because it takes an artist to to sell it, yeah,

701
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: and to sing it and be proud to sing it.

702
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 3: And that there is not a song that is more

703
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: Jaco and the Barefoot Blue Gene.

704
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: Now and most played country song in the past decade?

705
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? Crazy just a had some wooes.

706
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: You still get checks with that one, I hope. So

707
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: you don't know.

708
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I get something. It's never as

709
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: much as people think it is. All that being said,

710
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: I will never go hungry, So I'm good.

711
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: Whoa man, You're woes are awesome?

712
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Woas man. I would say young people and children and

713
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: both sing it.

714
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: Oh, I was gonna say kids and songs like it's

715
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: a hard knock or I like kids singing like acquired

716
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: chore man, like that collapse woes. There are those things

717
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: that people go a cliche. No, you know why.

718
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: The clochek is are awesome if you do them right.

719
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: There are super effective weapons that if everything else is

720
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: done right around them, it's the perfect icing. Yep, Barefoot

721
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: Blue gene Knight an amazing song worked out. Do people

722
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: freak out when you go I wrote this and you

723
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: play it?

724
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Usually on the front road they're like, he didn't

725
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: write this, Jake did, which is fine. That being said,

726
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: Jake and them did change a couple of words that

727
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: were they did it right. And and he never asked

728
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: for a royalty. So thanks Jake. That being said, he's

729
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: paying a lot of shows.

730
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's good to Jake's even to

731
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: thank he as an artist.

732
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: Thank you. I don't think Jake enough for that. I mean,

733
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: that was my first uh recorded song by a major

734
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: artist and at went number one? Like huge?

735
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: Is that right?

736
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Huge?

737
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: That's your first cut?

738
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: Pretty much? I mean I had a couple like little ones,

739
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like like an established someone on the radio.

740
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: Yeah that's exciting. Yeah he Yeah, you told me that

741
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: even in privacy, like Jake changed a couple of things that,

742
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: which is great. But most of the time when they

743
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: do that, they they're doing it for two reasons. One,

744
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 3: they're doing it because they also want to claim they

745
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: wrote it. They may change uff just to even if

746
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: they don't feel like it's just so they can say

747
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: I was a part writer.

748
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't you know.

749
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: That is not integrity. It's not it's not an integrity play. Yeah,

750
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: and Jake changed a couple of things that made it

751
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: more natal tim and did not ask for any riding.

752
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like right and all right, I don't know,

753
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 1: it's night. And he changed a couple definitely could ask

754
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: for a little piece though he totally could have. That's cool, Jay,

755
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: you know you went a horse or something.

756
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: He's good. Angel is love and theft is a chance. Yeah, man,

757
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: a little bit of nose, angelize it were you gonna

758
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: guess that read? No, I didn't write that. That's pre me.

759
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: I was before I got to town. Okay, Yeah, that's

760
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: a good one. Blue Gen Night, though, I think Eli

761
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: I'm bading in for breaks your Heart. I'm trying to

762
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: think of the songs that i'd be most surprised. If

763
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: you were playing and you played it and said you

764
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 3: wrote it probably Barefoot, because it's such a massive, massive,

765
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 3: massive song, like you said, biggest of over the last

766
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: ten years, I'd be like, oh, that's cool. I had

767
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: no idea.

768
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you and it's not a thinker when.

769
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: You wrote it was were you just writing it in

770
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: a room and to see where it goes and exists?

771
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: Actually, you want to know the story about it. Dylan Altman,

772
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: one of the writers on it, and Terry Salchuk. I

773
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: walked into the room and Dylan Altman was telling us

774
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: his favorite concert you'd ever been to, and in my shows,

775
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: I actually play part of a song that goes into Barefoot.

776
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: But he said he turned around. It was JFK Stadium

777
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: and Dylan's a little bit older than me. It was

778
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, and he said he turned around

779
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: and there were lighters in the dark in the middle

780
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: of this rock show and it was You Two's Joshua

781
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: Tree toured It's amazing. I Love You Too, love and

782
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: YouTube you too, I Love you Too out there. But

783
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: I think that I was sinking through that just recently.

784
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's so interesting that country music was influenced

785
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: by Irish music from the beginning, and somehow we wrote

786
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: the most played country song of the decade and it

787
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: was influenced by an Irish band and for those pretty

788
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: crazy So thank you Bono and maybe that Adam Clayton.

789
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 3: Junior and the reference at the edge maybe you didn't

790
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: catch and I bring it up too. Yeah, country music

791
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: is based on music from Europe and music from the

792
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: slave ships. Yeah, and you're right it like that. Yeah,

793
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: that's it. That's why we have what we have, which

794
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: is always so weird for me when people are like,

795
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: oh country, I like, bro, do you want to go

796
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: all the way country?

797
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: What I think, Hank Junior? What in country? As Daddy

798
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: was so like the country you like and stop hating

799
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: on people, man, Like.

800
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: THISXT generation is going to tell you your country is

801
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 2: not country.

802
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely right now. I mean yes, name famous whoever, and

803
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: it's not going to be country in ten years whenever.

804
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I remember when Cruise came on. I saw the Tyler

805
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: the other day and I told him I was like, dude,

806
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: I just heard Cruise come on. I was like, man,

807
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: I miss old country and I was like no, that

808
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 1: like health roze over with that Kenny Rodgers, he wrote

809
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: record a song on mine. I got to hang with

810
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: him a little bit at the end of his life.

811
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: Kenny Rodgers said Health roze over at the award show,

812
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: and he and Dolly Parton saying Islands in the Stream

813
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: because it was written by the Beechees. Yeah, yes, yeah,

814
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: like Health froze over man, And now everybody's like, oh well,

815
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: I miss a little country. Country is never a country.

816
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: It's it's always moving, so it can stay alive. If

817
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: the pond didn't move, it ties. It's the stagging at

818
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: the fish die get You have to have a movement

819
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: in life or it'll die.

820
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: And it's moved in different directions.

821
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: But you know what happened, that part didn't continue right,

822
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: Like the parts that resonate with country music fans, the

823
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 3: authenticity of it and the instrumentation changes. I mean again,

824
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: Bob Bob Wills, the Texas Playboys when they when they

825
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: freaking miked a stell guitar, they amped a still guitar. Yeah,

826
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: that's help freezing over.

827
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: Like you know something crazy I did at the end

828
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: of the day. Speaking of steel guitars and Bob Wills,

829
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: my grandfather was in a band with his brothers name

830
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: as Arnold Chiller and the Moonlight Serenaders as what. They

831
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: went by a country with a Frank Sinatra song, which

832
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: was amazing and uh or no that's not Franks. Yeah,

833
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: well le sing it anyway. They would go to the

834
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: elite cafe that the Magnolia people now, and Bob Wills

835
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: would be there. But my grandfather actually converted a Gibson

836
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: lap steal into a pedal steel guitar. And I totally

837
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: just interrupted you, Bobby, But I was so excited about

838
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: this story. I played at the Grand Ole Opry the

839
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: other day and it was it would have been my

840
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: grandfather's one hundred and seventh birthday, and I think, I

841
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: think we'll have this posted, but I ended up surprising.

842
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: My mom was there. It was her dad and everything,

843
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: and I didn't get to know him. He died when

844
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: I was two, so I wasn't like the kid in

845
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: the music family, even though they definitely paved that road

846
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: for me, because my grandmother, like, whenever I said I

847
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: was going to be a musician, she was like, that's great,

848
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: and nobody was freaked out because my grandfather and his

849
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: brothers had done that. But I found a cassette with

850
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: my grandfather singing on it, and he was singing Green

851
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: the Greens al Alex, really old song speaking of Irish music,

852
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: European music. But I ended up pushing play on a

853
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: cassette player and I had Bruce Spout in an amazing

854
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: Stell guitar player play my grandfather's steel guitar, and I

855
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: played my great uncle's kalamazoo that he took to World

856
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: War Two with him and brought it back. So the

857
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: two instruments got to sing together again on the grand

858
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: O Lotpry stage and I sang with my grandfather. I

859
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: harmonized with them.

860
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: How did they mic the cassette?

861
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: I plugged it in. There's a little out thing, so

862
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: really just like it I was singing. I just toick

863
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: a mic on it. But it was one of.

864
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: Those things that's a really great story.

865
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: So I got to sing with my grandfather on the ground,

866
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: a little heavenly birthday gift for him.

867
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: I got a little I got some chills there on that.

868
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, So it was pretty uh. And I've been

869
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: dreaming it up for ten years and I'm finally like,

870
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: I have all these dreams that I want to do,

871
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: and when I described that to people that are like,

872
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: how are you going to do that? Yeah, gonna pull

873
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: that off, Like it would be pretty easy. I just

874
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: push a cassette player and sing with it. How are

875
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: you going to do that? And then I do it

876
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: and then people go, oh wow, that worked. So I'm

877
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: realizing in my life there's a lot of ideas I

878
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: have that people just don't understand. I just got to

879
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: do it.

880
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so simple. I would not have thought to

881
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: do it like that. I'd have been like, Okay, how

882
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: do we dub this off and get a digit? But

883
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: at times we can take something simple in make it

884
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: way harder than it needs to be.

885
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: But back to the Texas Playboys and Steel.

886
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: They amp to steal guitar again. That's one of those

887
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: hell freezes over type things. And even Kenny Rogers, you

888
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: know back when he would before he was a country

889
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: star and he was singing what condition my condition is in?

890
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: Like he was a pop star. You know, Kenny Rodgers

891
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: was one of those that people look at now and

892
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: go like that ain't country. He came from pop.

893
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: That's what Kenny Rodgers freaking did.

894
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: And now I was like, when you.

895
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: Go to Asia, if you say country like Kenny Rodgers.

896
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: I know that because my parents lived in Thailand and

897
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: my dad sort of looks like Kenny Rodgers, so they

898
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: like Kenny Rodgers.

899
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: Wonder because that was very specific.

900
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Friday Night read mentioned that that was a jam,

901
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: but I believe if I'm correct, you wrote that I

902
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 3: think lady A cut it but didn't put out a single.

903
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was on the on the Night record.

904
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: And then you asked, hey, you guysn't put a single.

905
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: Do you care if I cut it and put out

906
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 3: a single? Is that true?

907
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: I actually was? I mean it was uh. Yeah, Basically

908
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 1: I was playing a little show down in Birmingham and yeah,

909
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: I got the one of the guys at the label, Kevin,

910
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: came down and he came to the show and just

911
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: after I played Friday Night he pointed out me. He said,

912
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: there's your single, and I'm like, lady A cut it?

913
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: You know from the stage. He goes in and put

914
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: on the radio it's your single, Thanks Kevin.

915
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: Keith Wildhearts. Yeah, man, how'd that one go?

916
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: Uh? This goes out to the gifts. All of the

917
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: Dreamer was ready to fly like a whisper single that

918
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: we were twenty. I'm bringing you cookies next time. I

919
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: have a song on the radio. We missed number one

920
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: by twenty six Spins no Way. Yeah. So first, and

921
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm fine with you that.

922
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: You know why, because I talked to Jen Wayne. I

923
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: was on a golf course. Jen Wayne pulls up behind me.

924
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: We're playing golf. Jen Wayne, by the way, was a

925
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: professional tennis player. Again really run away doing one of

926
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: the great great people too. And she pulls up behind

927
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: me and she's with Garth's lawyer. But she to her,

928
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: that's not Gar's lawyer, that's like her friend orson.

929
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

930
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: And I only knew Gard' lawyer because he kind of

931
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: got somebody I knew at Of in Trouble.

932
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: Not Garth, but somebody I knew aw Of in Trouble.

933
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 3: And I just met him because we had opened for

934
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: Garth in Fantville in the raizs Bake Stadium, and so

935
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: I met him and I went up to him and

936
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, I just want to say thank

937
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: you because he contributed to something that was very very

938
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: beneficiar to me. It's very beneficial to me. I can

939
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: take that out here. And so but then I see

940
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 3: Jen and him coming up right and like, what the

941
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 3: crap and she's like yeah, she goes, can you believe?

942
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: Because again, at this point, I wasn't like in the

943
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: music game, meaning I'm just creating content at this point,

944
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 3: but I don't even keep up. But I wanted off,

945
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: like my friends are doing well, you know, and she

946
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: was like, we missed by twenty sixpence or twenty whatever

947
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: the number was, and then she told me who beat it?

948
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: I think there was like a multi.

949
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: Way Yeah, someone had it for multi w Yeah. I'm

950
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: kind of like, why you you don't need a three five,

951
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: seven week number one, especially.

952
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: If it's that close, like somebody helpened on the point A.

953
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: So that's a good song.

954
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: No, it worked out, I mean, all that being said,

955
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: and the interesting thing people like, guy, you must have

956
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: been upset, and I was like, honestly, I wasn't. That's

957
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: the first time I ever had a song go top

958
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: five and it didn't go number one, like it was

959
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: my first number two. I'll take it, Yeah, you'll take it,

960
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: but I'm no, I'm serious. It was like relative, just

961
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: in relative thinking. It was like I've never had a

962
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: number two? How cool was that I could have had

963
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: six number twos too. You know, Keith Urban is the

964
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: guy too that had really instilled in me after saying

965
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: it many times. What you said earlier was because Keith

966
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: to be like this song not on air. We'd be

967
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: talking and Keith and I left pretty close up been

968
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: over to. You know, we're Keith and I are friendly

969
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: when he's here.

970
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: He's not here a whole lot, But when he's here

971
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: and he's like, dude, of my biggest songs weren't number ones.

972
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: He goes.

973
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: Everybody thinks they were because the everybody goes crazy for them,

974
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: but he's like number seven, number thirteen.

975
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: The honest truth is it was too early. People are

976
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: catching up, and that'd be I will say, if anybody

977
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: has never seen Keith play live, you I don't care

978
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: what genre and what zip code you thought you were

979
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: born into where your parents didn't want you listening to

980
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: that you listened to. Like whatever music you like, Keith

981
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: Urban will melt your face off. Also, his whole band

982
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: is like Frontmen and the and the cool thing is

983
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: the fact that he has Nathan and Jerry out there singing,

984
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: and that Keith isn't intimidated. It is because Keith is

985
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: such a rock star. He doesn't need to be intimidated anyway.

986
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: He goes see Keith's live band. They're a freaking mind blowing.

987
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: And he is such a.

988
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: It's word gets thrown around a lot, but he's such

989
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 3: a perfectionist in that I've been with and around him

990
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: at times pre a show and he's making sure the

991
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: lights are in the exact place the lights like before

992
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: he does a show, like he's going, okay, what you know, sometimes,

993
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 3: depending on where you are when you are an artist,

994
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 3: won't even need to do their sound check. Let somebody

995
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 3: go do it for him. He ran a sound check,

996
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: he ran some new stuff. He wanted to test the lights.

997
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: He wanted to see what the light like. That's a

998
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 3: guy who wants to make sure that the people get

999
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 3: out of it the money they put into it.

1000
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he has the time to do it. I

1001
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: remember in earlier years doing tours, You're just like, I

1002
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: don't even have time for sound check because my day's

1003
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: books so much.

1004
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,479
Speaker 3: What do you mean happened to? Like dude?

1005
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, just all kinds of random stuff.

1006
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: Read not that you out of songs?

1007
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Whoa what?

1008
00:44:53,040 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, Rascal flats rewinds for singing that one.

1009
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: Uh uh, well, let the moon back up in the

1010
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: sky put a pull back into that sweet.

1011
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it's not it radio ear song that

1012
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: goes like this, when I grow up, up up back

1013
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: and be whatever I want, won't won't you see?

1014
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: I never said it was I said it when I

1015
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: grew up.

1016
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 3: Wasn't there one kids.

1017
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Song writing kids songs before I even had kids.

1018
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: I just remember being so grateful Phil Barton. And what's

1019
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: what's really cool is every once while I feel a

1020
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: play at the Rite and people will tag me and it.

1021
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: I just remember being so grateful because you knew Phil

1022
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: and brought Phil over to the when I lived downtown,

1023
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: and I was just so grateful that because dude, you

1024
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: can write with anybody at any time. People do you have?

1025
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: That's fun. But I was alrite any song ever.

1026
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: I was like, Eric, well don't say that because it

1027
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: made me feel lesspecial. But then it's I was like,

1028
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: He's like, all right with anybody, all right with everything?

1029
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: Everybody asked, uh yeah, yeah. I was very great to

1030
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: fool because I was like, and then Eric's like, let's

1031
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: do that that that that I remember vividly and it's

1032
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: awesome and people still school still use that for like assemblies.

1033
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: That's great.

1034
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 3: I get tagged at like the end of the school

1035
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: year every year with schools and their kids like all

1036
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: like the second art of singing the whole song and

1037
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: so yeah, that's it. You didn't know that digitary.

1038
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see this guy. He's thinking back in school.

1039
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.

1040
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: This is the Bobby Cast. What are you writing for

1041
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: the most now? Like you're gonna put stuff out? You

1042
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 3: already got done?

1043
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've I've put out three projects since

1044
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.

1045
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: I mean, like com.

1046
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: I just sent a hundred songs to management just to

1047
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: be like, okay, help me pick what you said one hundred.

1048
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: Here's a hundred that I think should be on an album.

1049
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: And that was I think I got to the ease.

1050
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just write so much. I don't like,

1051
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: we don't write crappy songs. I'll send you a hundred.

1052
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: You want to know I'm good. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm good.

1053
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: You have since you have so much time or you're

1054
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: not exhausted, I'm gonna just make you really paranoid at night.

1055
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: It's holding the wrong song.

1056
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: I don't listen too much. I wouldn't say music, but

1057
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: it's I don't listen. I listen to we do what

1058
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: I like. Now, I don't have a pressure on me

1059
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: to like find and break, but every once in a

1060
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: while something to hit me and I'll be like, oh,

1061
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: Or there'll be a writer that writes a few things

1062
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: in a row with different artists and I'm like, god, dang.

1063
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: Or like I've mentioned Megan Maroney, like she writes and

1064
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: how she writes, she's very specific and it's her voice,

1065
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 3: and like there's just certain people that you're like, WHOA

1066
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: like that. But I've become a bit jaded in a way.

1067
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 3: I've heard so much and sometimes I feel like I'm

1068
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: not even fair to stuff because I've heard so much

1069
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: and ten seconds into it, I'm like, been there, But

1070
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: I'm not giving it the actual chance that it should deserve.

1071
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: Because I've listened to so much music.

1072
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: You just don't have as much grace for a maybe

1073
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: mediocre song.

1074
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: But maybe it's not mediocre.

1075
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: I mean, if my wife just judged me on the

1076
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: first ten seconds, no chance, Yeah, it'd be like it's.

1077
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: Another generic mediocre white boy.

1078
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: Yep, it's trying.

1079
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: Now, there's just like just another giant leprecaun walking around.

1080
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: How tall are you four?

1081
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm only five foot sixteen? You know I like that

1082
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: there six four yeah, yeah, six or four?

1083
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: Do you ever think about shaving your beard? You did

1084
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 3: that when you'd like the artist thing, were be like,

1085
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna change it up and be like rock.

1086
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I could, you know, I guess I want

1087
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: to go Rob Banks or something. You know, it's me

1088
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: you do?

1089
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 3: Beard is the thing when you go do You're gonna

1090
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: go do a bunch of shows. You're doing Hawaii too,

1091
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 3: I saw.

1092
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been doing that a little bit. I've been

1093
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: playing Europe at least once a year. I'm trying to

1094
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: do it a couple of times a year with what

1095
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 1: intention to go have fun, make music. And they really

1096
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: like what I do over there a whole lot. They listen.

1097
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: It's interesting.

1098
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: What do you mean they listen?

1099
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: It's people have asked like, what's the difference between the

1100
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: States and Europe? And this is not it's not an insult.

1101
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: It's we're taught how to listen, and we're taught how

1102
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: to consume certain things in our lives. I think. But

1103
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: it's funny all the European artists want to come to

1104
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: America because a show in America is a party and all,

1105
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of American writers love and artists love

1106
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: going to Europe because the show is a concert. Like

1107
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: in Europe, you play a song and they don't scream,

1108
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: talk through it, and then they applaud at the end,

1109
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: and then they want to know the new song that

1110
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: they haven't heard yet. In America, it's typically and it's

1111
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: also the crowd, you know, if it's just a radio

1112
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: bar crowd, they'll they'll start selfieing during the number one song.

1113
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: If it's a new song, they're getting a beer. They

1114
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: don't want to know. They haven't been told it's cool yet.

1115
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: That's interesting and to me it's And you can see

1116
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: people wanting to dance to the new song, but they're

1117
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: not sure if their friends will make fun of them

1118
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: to dance into a new song that nobody knows yet.

1119
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: It's just like, ah, man, y'all could have so much

1120
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: more fun. Just don't judge each other, Just have fun,

1121
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: dance to the song you hear that makes you move.

1122
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: You know, what are you gonna do with all that

1123
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: one hundred songs? I mean, we got to pick some

1124
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean, we'll see which

1125
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: twelve or fifteen or thousand. I mean, I'm like I

1126
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: could put a song out a day and have you know,

1127
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: in a world of chasing phenomenons of just well the

1128
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: well the ones and zeros line up for you. It's

1129
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: kind of like, I guess if I put more songs out,

1130
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: there's more chances. And the interesting thing is, like songs

1131
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: have forever to be heard, is always what I is

1132
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: what I know, and.

1133
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: You don't have forever to hear that people hear the songs? True,

1134
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: do you care about legacy.

1135
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: Or I mean, I I care, I care about what

1136
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: I I mean, I care that I hope people at

1137
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: the end of whenever my days are done down here,

1138
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 1: that they go he he used his gifts for good,

1139
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: you know. And I always I am one of those

1140
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: guilty people. I try to put the hope at the

1141
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: end of everything, even if it's a crap day. I

1142
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: try to be like but the sunshine for a second,

1143
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: you know, But but deep down I'm that long play

1144
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: guy of like man I do even when everything's bad

1145
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: and it's not good, like I believe good wins in

1146
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: the end and everyone's beyond loved if they if they're

1147
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: able to open their arms to it. And my hope

1148
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: is with music and all that, that I planted good

1149
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: seeds in people's hearts and it grew good stuff, you know, but.

1150
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: Way healthier than I am.

1151
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: No, man, I just that's my hope. That doesn't mean

1152
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm good at it.

1153
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: But I have questions on my phones. So when I

1154
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 3: grab my phone, don't be insulted. Ask some stuff I wanted

1155
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: to ask you that they're in this vein, but keep going, you're.

1156
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, that's that's the thing. I hope

1157
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: that uh, whatever I do, people are influenced to do

1158
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: good with what they got because people are sure chasing

1159
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of wind that's not going to fulfill them

1160
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: these days. Yeah. I'm guilty too.

1161
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: Me too. I'm very guilty. But sometimes it takes me

1162
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: chasing it and getting it to realize, oh, I didn't

1163
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 3: need it. I've done a lot of that.

1164
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I always say it's the they call it fishing, not catching.

1165
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: They call it dreaming for reason, it's fun to chase them.

1166
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: So I think it's it's more fun to chase a

1167
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: dream than to catch it. There's a certain balance there

1168
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: you know.

1169
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 3: A lot of the stuff that I thought was super important,

1170
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: and I still think some of it is, but just

1171
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: for different reasons.

1172
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: Now you know what, Well, it's all important. It's all

1173
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: important to our stories.

1174
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: I'll say that I gotta find my The new iPhone

1175
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: has updated, and there are some really great things about it,

1176
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: but I can't find my favorites folder. Now it's like,

1177
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 3: you have you guys updated your I phone. Okay, there's

1178
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 3: some cool things.

1179
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: One you can send a text on, so I don't

1180
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: update until all my friends.

1181
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 3: He's on i ones, he's on the verson one's iPhone.

1182
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: It still says dial up as it's ringing.

1183
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: Sending a text on Timer is now really cool for

1184
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: me because my schedule is so weird. If I wake

1185
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: up at three thirty in the morning and I want

1186
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: to return a text, I don't really send it then

1187
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: because I think I want to wake somebody up with it, right.

1188
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: So at times I'd be like, I'll just text them

1189
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 3: at eleven, then I forget and then never text them back,

1190
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: and I hate that about me. But now you can

1191
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: on then with a new update time the text. I

1192
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: think it's a great, great part awesome. Yes, So that's

1193
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: one of the new things. The bad thing is I

1194
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: can't have my favorites folder, and I have these questions

1195
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: and it's driving me out of my mind because I

1196
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I'm gonna run these through Eric, so

1197
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: nobody go anywhere?

1198
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Everybody, Eric where? What what album? Did you?

1199
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: Not?

1200
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: Really? It was called nice Guy and this guy, Bobby

1201
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: Bones was actually in the music video. It was awesome,

1202
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: And uh.

1203
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: Wait, are you doing a joke thing? Because I'm gonna

1204
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 3: rolling out py attention to you right now. But if

1205
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 3: you're not doing a.

1206
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: Joke, I'll also put out an album called even If

1207
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: It Breaks your barefoot Friday Night. Now, I went and.

1208
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 3: Recorded now he's doing a joke thing?

1209
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: It's and I went and sang even if It breaks

1210
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: your heart myself. If you'd like to hear me.

1211
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: Some Mike Kevin, can you pull up your phone?

1212
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? Can you find the favorites folder? I do see

1213
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 3: how it's difficult to find? Where is it? Walk me

1214
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 3: to it? Well, I just swipe all the way down

1215
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 3: and then you get the search thing that comes back

1216
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: up and then I just type favorites. Oh my god,

1217
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: if that's all I needed to do. But it does

1218
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: a late it's kind of hidden now favorites. Yeah, I

1219
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: found it.

1220
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: That was it? Okay?

1221
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 3: Top results, dude. I'm it's one of two things. And Eric,

1222
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: who can tell me this? Either I am now old

1223
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 3: or this is just too new and I can't figure

1224
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 3: it out yet. And it could also be both.

1225
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: But I do not.

1226
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: I don't see it. I don't know. Man. What are

1227
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: you play? Are you playing golf? You said that?

1228
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, I'm actually I'm having a I'm doing my

1229
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: first Eric pass Slays. Uh. It's going to be the

1230
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: Eric Passlay Breakthrough T one D Classics. So we'll raise

1231
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: money for TAP one diabetes in August. So where is

1232
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: that He's going to be here in Nashville?

1233
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 3: Are you invited? I'll play?

1234
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: Come on, how I'll do it. We'll get Gator and

1235
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: you and all the famous friends.

1236
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: How's your how's ibtes going?

1237
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: All good?

1238
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: Is that a real question? I mean I know no, yeah, no,

1239
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 3: I mean.

1240
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: I wear a pump. I get to be a dexcom Warrior.

1241
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: So where a dex come and both of them communicate

1242
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: with each other. So, I mean, just the it's amazing.

1243
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: In the thirty years I've had Type one diabetes, the

1244
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: just the advances in technology. It's amazing my cell phone.

1245
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: I can give myself insulin from my cell phone. It'll

1246
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: tell my pump to do it. So it's it's pretty

1247
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: dang amazing.

1248
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 3: And just your short life of being a teenager to adult,

1249
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: like technology has evolved so much.

1250
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: With that, Yep, that's crazy. It's great. Okay, I have

1251
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: my question.

1252
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: I found them all right, and I had these say

1253
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: just for you, like some of them because I was like,

1254
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 3: Eric's a deep thinker.

1255
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: He also squirrels a lot, and I like that.

1256
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: About you, Like I can go down a tangent. I'll

1257
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: chase a tangent not all day.

1258
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: Man, if your next five years were a chapter in

1259
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: a book, your next five years from today, Yeah, what

1260
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: do you think? Think that chapter would.

1261
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 1: Be about recreation? Howso I'm realizing I'm in the next

1262
00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: chapter artists wise and all that in a way doing that,

1263
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I hopefully it would involve

1264
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: music that gets heard a television show of me diying stuff.

1265
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: And we tried on weilot.

1266
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: I know, and maybe that I might write a book

1267
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: because people keep saying you should write books because I

1268
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: talk in songwriter language that they like, and what kind

1269
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: of book about what I have no idea. I'd assume

1270
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: inspirational or something that just the creative inspiration. I don't

1271
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: know when you hit the roadblock where you.

1272
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: Go next question?

1273
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: Been around the rock?

1274
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: What would you do if you were not afraid?

1275
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't care as much about things that don't matter,

1276
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: and definitely about people that don't matter. Although people matter.

1277
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: About people's opinions, I would not care at all about

1278
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: someone's opinions as long as I know I'm leading with love.

1279
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've been able to change with

1280
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 3: that over the last few years? Are getting better at it?

1281
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 3: Worse out?

1282
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah?

1283
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: Just different at it?

1284
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: Oh? Especially yeah, I mean in uh uh yeah, I

1285
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: mean being an independent artists now. It's like, you know,

1286
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: I've had to deal with a lot of things, you know,

1287
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: looking back at the past and regrets and I should

1288
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: have could as and blah blah blah.

1289
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: What has gone really well in your life so far?

1290
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm pretty dang lucky. It's all gone pretty damn well.

1291
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: You know. Obviously, I'd love to still have a major

1292
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: record deal because it means i'd be on the radio,

1293
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: I'd have better shots at it.

1294
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter as much anymore.

1295
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: I know that. And I know that too, like.

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00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter and it's significant, but not as much.

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00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: You know, you don't need it anymore. Yeah, you know,

1298
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: for you have a hundred songs.

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00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm playing seventy to eighty shows a year.

1300
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: It's good. I'm good. But yeah, sorry, had PTSD. What

1301
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: was the question?

1302
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: No, I was asking what's really why, really right? And

1303
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: you said lucky and I I'd meet that if it's

1304
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: okay to meet that with. I think you have obviously

1305
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: worked extremely hard, and I think you've made great relationships,

1306
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: and I think at times you prioritize different parts of

1307
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: your life, and with any prior prioritization, you're going to

1308
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 3: gain some parts and you're gonna lose some parts. I think, though,

1309
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: that I just have trouble with luck because I don't

1310
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: see you. I see you having made a lot of

1311
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: great decisions, and I don't think that was lucky.

1312
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh, it's uh. I've had that. I've had

1313
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: the right yes is at the right time. Still wanted

1314
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: more yeses. I don't want uh, And I'm fine with

1315
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: the ones that didn't say yes.

1316
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: What lesson have you learned the hard way.

1317
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: Hmmm, say what you need to say when it's time

1318
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: to say it. Hold your tongue too, It's tough. There's

1319
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: a couple of them to hold your tongue. Stuff. Sometimes

1320
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: the person driving the car is not your therapist.

1321
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 3: Now, is that specifically about an uber driver you've had,

1322
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: or is that more of a metaphor.

1323
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: I'll just say on when the person selling your song,

1324
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: here's you needing therapy. They're probably not going to sell

1325
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: your song very well. Why didn't my song work? Oh

1326
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: my gosh? What should we do? Why tell new artists that, like, hey,

1327
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm telling you too much. No, that's I tell new

1328
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: artists when you're on radio tour, like your your radio

1329
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: promo person is there to sell you. And if they

1330
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: walk into the radio station and they have fear in

1331
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: their eyes because you have doubt because everybody does, don't

1332
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: do that. Don't do that.

1333
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 2: What's the best thing about being.

1334
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: You, man? I get to be creat and I'm paid

1335
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: for it. I actually get to I get to use

1336
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: one of my best gifts to make a living. That's insane.

1337
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: That's crazy, But also the the insane part of it

1338
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: is I've learned me It's like I literally move air

1339
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: for a living. It's intangible. I literally make stuff up.

1340
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: It might be from a real story. So like the

1341
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: reason I renovate houses and build I'm literally just was

1342
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: building a new pantry for Natalie this morning and finished

1343
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: it up, got the door on the hinges and all

1344
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: this that. But it's because it's tangible. It's like the

1345
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: light is on. It's not an opinion, it's it. You

1346
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: don't have to tell me if you like this song

1347
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: or not. You don't have to tell me if the

1348
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: light is on or not. It is a factual fact

1349
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: that there's electricity by code going to it and it's on.

1350
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: Do you need that to match the exact opposite of that.

1351
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I think so. Just it stables me out and

1352
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: h and also it means I can sit and just

1353
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: think and you know, move dirt and a skid steer

1354
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: it three questions.

1355
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: What do you wish other people knew about you that

1356
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: they may not?

1357
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: Huh, I don't know. I'm pretty open book most of

1358
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: the time. I'm not sure we've got all the time

1359
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: in the World's podcast. I will say, I mean, you know,

1360
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: I wish people saw a show, come see me sing songs.

1361
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: I'll play shows a lot these days, and like an

1362
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: amazing compliment but also just kind of a stab in

1363
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: my creative heart is people will walk up and be like,

1364
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: you're the best singer I've ever heard. How come I've

1365
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: never heard of you? And you're like, like, that is

1366
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: the sweetest, awesomest thing you could tell to me, other

1367
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: than I have nothing to do with if you ever

1368
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 1: have it? Like Bobby Bones played me where have you been?

1369
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I can see where.

1370
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,959
Speaker 1: Both And that being said, I also love it because, like, well,

1371
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: go check out my songs. You can hear me sing

1372
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: them too, and go listen to some I've written to left.

1373
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing to do in the world. I'm

1374
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: not going to accept songwriting or no I got you.

1375
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to accept that. Uh.

1376
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: My favorite thing is seeing something I did impact people

1377
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: in a really awesome positive way. That feels good because

1378
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: it means whatever I did mattered, not for my ego,

1379
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: but knowing that my goal is that's my goal.

1380
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 3: Final question, what's the one mistake that you learned from

1381
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 3: the most.

1382
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: I think losing a record deal. I think there's a

1383
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes I may be made. I still I

1384
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: believe that it was a mistake. I believe that I

1385
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: made little mistakes and sometimes like, ah, if I was

1386
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: more clever, if I was more of this or that.

1387
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm still I've let go of it, but being

1388
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: here with you hanging out it makes me listen a

1389
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: little bit you made though, Yeah, there would have been

1390
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: like you said, I think at the time at times

1391
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: that I was renovating more stuff than I needed to do,

1392
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: but it was keeping me sane in the in the

1393
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: world of chasing the the neon rainbow of radio and everything.

1394
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think that's uh, just

1395
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: looking back at wishing certain songs worked and knowing that

1396
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: I still have so many songs that I know will

1397
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: impact people in a good way. It's just like I

1398
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: wish I had a quicker way to get this to people,

1399
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: even though I do with social media and all that.

1400
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 3: Those hundred songs are those songs though that are also

1401
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 3: being pitched at the same time.

1402
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they could be you sent the publisher. I mean,

1403
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: I think they're getting played for people. I assume that

1404
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: they are. But majority of artists like writing it these days,

1405
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, and there's great a majority of artists are writers.

1406
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it's uh yeah, I mean, and I mean,

1407
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to hear the hundred songs, just send

1408
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: me a text. I got more.

1409
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: Here's his number.

1410
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: Five five five.

1411
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: Tell me about song and a hat.

1412
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: A giant leprechaun. Oh, song and a hat. So I

1413
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: started doing the show. I've done two so far, and

1414
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: I just kind of thought, like, man, what would be

1415
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: a cool songwriter experience type of show? Because we do

1416
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: songwriter rounds where we you know, set three or four

1417
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: chairs up, you have songwriters who also could be artists,

1418
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: et cetera, and we tell a story, play a hit,

1419
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 1: tell a story, play a song, tell a story, play

1420
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: a song a number no one's ever heard for anybody

1421
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: that's never been to a songwriter around. It's really common

1422
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: in Nashville. But I was like, man, there could be

1423
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: some other experiences. And the main thing why I call

1424
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: it song and a hat as we pass around brown

1425
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: hats like I wear all the time, and every audience member,

1426
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: if they would like to, can put in a song title,

1427
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: and at a certain point in the show, like after

1428
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: a couple of songs that we play, I'll literally draw

1429
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: a song title out of the hat whatever I pull,

1430
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: the person that wrote it down comes up on stage

1431
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: and we write this song for about ten fifteen minutes.

1432
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: Because people are always like, how do you write a song? Like,

1433
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, just watch us. You know, there's not

1434
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: one way to do it. You know. You throw around

1435
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: ideas and think, well, if this was the soundtrack, what

1436
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: soundtrack would be playing, if this is the theme. You know,

1437
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I think of it. So literally,

1438
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: at our live show, we write a song with a

1439
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: complete stranger, and I teach them like, hey, there's four

1440
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: of us on stage, you own your share of the song.

1441
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: This For some reason, we ever finished this song and

1442
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: Keith Urban cuts it. You own a fourth of it,

1443
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: because that's the right thing to do, in my opinion.

1444
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: And then and then after we've we've done it a

1445
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,959
Speaker 1: couple of show, I picked two titles throughout the show,

1446
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: so a couple of people wrote with this fun stage

1447
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: ammenst us amongst us, playing hit songs and telling stories

1448
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: like a regular show. And then I have a paper

1449
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: shredder on stage and at the when I'm done picking songs,

1450
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: I literally say, hey, by the way, these these song

1451
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: titles are not copyrightable, Like I could literally write every

1452
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: single one of these ideas, and so I like, keep

1453
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: your ideas, those few silly people and shredded up. Christian

1454
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: Bush was on the first show and he said, look,

1455
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: dreams being shredded right before your eyes. You know, that's fun.

1456
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: And so it's just you know, really creative confetti that

1457
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: goes in there. But and then I also have a

1458
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: thing called the first take work tape session, where I've

1459
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: got my tape recorder and I have all the writers

1460
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: send me a work tape, which is the first recording

1461
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: of a song you've written before anybody's ever heard it,

1462
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: and it's ever famous. So the audience gets to hear

1463
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: kind of the first version of Barefoot bleeg Niter, even

1464
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: for Bigture Harder, you know, Christian with it. It was like

1465
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: a sugar Land hit, you know. So it's a fun show.

1466
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: We're doing it at Chiefs Downtown, a cool, cool theater.

1467
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: It's almost it's pretty much every month.

1468
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, there was.

1469
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 3: Got I copied a bunch of the songs you get written,

1470
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: and we naturally went through a lot of them anyway,

1471
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 3: but just kind of in this there was something that's

1472
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 3: written about you. I thought was hilarious, because not everything

1473
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 3: written is true. Things about me the people to write

1474
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 3: just aren't true sometimes. Yeah, and I'm going to read

1475
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 3: a note that I saw that and knew wasn't true. Ready,

1476
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 3: He's married to country singer Natalie Hemby.

1477
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: That's awesome. You wouldn't know something awesome. I've totally texted

1478
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: Natalie Hemby things that I meant to send to my wife,

1479
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: whose maiden name is Natalie Harker. But that's amazing.

1480
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 3: Eric married country music songwriter performing Natalie Hemby in twenty seventeen.

1481
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: She and luckily I know Natalie too. Natalie Hemby didn't

1482
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 3: know that's not true. She's a fellow Nashville songwriter, and

1483
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 3: the couple shared love of music makes for a creative partnership.

1484
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: That is amazing.

1485
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 3: Congratulations on your thank you.

1486
01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: I love you, Natalie.

1487
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: Fictional marriage, We'll go.

1488
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 3: That's awesome, dude. I'm so happy to see you. I

1489
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 3: am glad that you're here. I am glad to you look.

1490
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: Good, good to you. That's hanging more in person.

1491
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 2: You got your beard keeps you looking like the same

1492
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 2: age as you were before.

1493
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's just I'm less of the giant leprecauns.

1494
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 3: Do you have any gray in there?

1495
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: There's a little bit happening. Yeah, let's see it. I

1496
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: just put it in there to make people think I'm aging. Oh,

1497
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: you add the gray part of the witchery. I like that,

1498
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: you know, and.

1499
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 3: Read's blown away by the fact that he didn't know

1500
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 3: that we wrote When I Grow Up. But I do

1501
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 3: like that. You think I wrote Barefoot Blue ge and

1502
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 3: I so thank you for that, Reef. Basically I wrote, Yeah,

1503
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 3: I wrote all of his songs.

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Speaker 1: If we're up to you, he was the influence for them. All.

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Speaker 2: You guys go follow Eric on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: We said all this in the pre but I'll up

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Speaker 3: a page now which Instagram at Eric Eric pas La

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Speaker 3: follow at Eric Passlay, and we'll be looking for that

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Speaker 3: one hundred song album.

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Speaker 1: Hi, they'll only be probably twelve, but what a letdown.

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Speaker 3: We'll be looking looking for those eight albums albums. We'll

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Speaker 3: do it eight sixteen. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'll just put a song out every day, so.

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Speaker 3: I just book a world record. I just saw the

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Speaker 3: guy who broke the record again for one every week.

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Speaker 3: You could do every day easily. It's at the record.

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Speaker 3: You got to produce them all though that's time and money.

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Speaker 1: Man, Well you just pay the producer that wrote it

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Speaker 1: with you in the room. Demo, there's no such thing

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Speaker 1: as a demo. They're all records.

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Speaker 3: Sure, it's a good point. You guys go follow Eric

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Speaker 3: Eric Passlai.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production