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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told you, but if I heard you. And

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Speaker 1: today is April seventeenth, twenty twenty five as we record this,

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Speaker 1: which means we just passed tax Day in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Taxes are so stressful. They are I hate doing them.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I have to just focus so hard,

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Speaker 1: get out my dictionary. I feel like I'm being tricked, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're telling me that I just don't think I have this,

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Speaker 1: but you're telling me I do. It's just a mess.

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Speaker 1: How was it for you this year, Samantha.

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Speaker 2: So I started in really early because what we usually

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Speaker 2: get for our job in general went down significantly. That

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Speaker 2: made me have a panic moment, and I knew with

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Speaker 2: everything happening with the new administration that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: get it done as soon as possible with all the

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Speaker 2: When I got all the documents, and I don't have

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Speaker 2: as much as many other people say, so we only

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Speaker 2: have one succinct job I do, and then like a

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Speaker 2: house and a few other things, and the forms come

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Speaker 2: in pretty quickly, like the first month. So as soon

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Speaker 2: as I got them all, I went in immediately because

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Speaker 2: I was like nope, nope, y'all, y'all can't trick me.

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Speaker 3: You can't trick me.

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Speaker 2: So it was pretty seamless and I got everything back

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly soon after I turned everything in as well

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Speaker 2: as started. I think a federal was really fast this

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Speaker 2: year for me. All the headlines started popping up about

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, nope, I got it done. Do

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Speaker 3: you can't get me?

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Speaker 2: So I felt a little like out of myself, were

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Speaker 3: Well, i'd say all about braggy form.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, y'all, No, that's all right. Taxes, I usually try

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Speaker 1: to get them done early, but I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: always missing one form yeah, which sometimes is true and

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Speaker 1: sometimes isn't. But this year I told you, I mistakenly

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Speaker 1: misremembered when we recorded the audio book and tried to

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Speaker 1: log that in into my dad and it was like no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. And that's when I had a wake up

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Speaker 1: calls like, oh wow, time has really ceased to matter

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Speaker 1: to me. I haven't gotten anything back yet, so we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. And famously I have been famously to me,

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Speaker 1: I have been audited so very paranoid very, very paranoid.

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Speaker 1: But today we thought we would do kind of an

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Speaker 1: overview of some issues with women in taxes and then

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Speaker 1: women in tariffs, which is a big conversation happening in

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Speaker 1: the US right now. I would love if people from

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Speaker 1: other countries would write in about how taxes work in

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Speaker 1: your country. I'm just curious. But yes, you could see

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Speaker 1: our past episodes on the pink tax and also I

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Speaker 1: would say our Marriage and People with Disabilities episode where

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Speaker 1: we talked about that. But all right, starting with taxes.

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Speaker 1: Tax Day was a couple of days ago as we

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Speaker 1: there were any issues around sexism and taxes, and of

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Speaker 1: course the answer is yes, of course it is. One

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Speaker 1: of the main things I found was joint filing with

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Speaker 1: taxed at a higher rate in a heteronormative sense, because

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Speaker 1: these rules were designed when women largely stayed at home

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Speaker 1: while men worked and were largely designed to spare white

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Speaker 1: men some tax money. Now that women often work along

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Speaker 1: with their partner, this can mean that women are getting

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Speaker 1: gender pay gap. A bunch of other things, but that

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Speaker 1: women to decide to quit their jobs and focus on

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Speaker 1: of children, that's fantastic. That is not a lesser choice,

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Speaker 1: but it should be a choice, not something that you're

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Speaker 1: forced into. Studies have found that reworking the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: women's participation in the workforce. Most other countries have abandoned

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Speaker 1: married women were required to file under their husband's name.

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Speaker 1: In the nineties, activists did try to amend this whole

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interestingly, according to miss magazine, single women are hit hard too.

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Speaker 2: Here's a quote quote. The tax code has been designed

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Speaker 2: to favor married couples, as former Department of the Treasury

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Speaker 2: tax attorney Lily King concluded in a paper on the

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Speaker 2: lack of fairness within our system, She writes, a single

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Speaker 2: person never pays less relative to a couple, whether married

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Speaker 1: Studies for black folks and gay folks are penalized too,

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Speaker 1: for largely systemic reasons. I guess I should put here.

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Speaker 1: I think it's obvious, but we're not tax experts. Uh

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Speaker 1: kind of an overview. I will say, my dad used

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Speaker 1: I don't blame him, but it was the tax return

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Speaker 2: Oh really, I don't think I knew those I thought

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Speaker 1: But but I think that the penalty should have been

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Speaker 1: very minor. But I moved and I think I missed

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Speaker 1: a minor like he missed it, one thing, he did

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Speaker 2: So this is a question I have in which even

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Speaker 2: especially like things like the tax irs and such, it's

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Speaker 3: And everything comes through mail, and.

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Speaker 2: If you don't get it, it literally just gets set

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Speaker 3: That seems absurd. It is, and it feels like a setup.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of what happened with like student loans and

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Speaker 2: Like I looked back at the amount of what I

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Speaker 3: I took out. And by the way, I've been paying.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I paid for like the past entirety of my

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Speaker 3: Yeah, stuff like that, just like this is where it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, because again I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: was horrendous. Yeah, and I should have only paid two

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Speaker 2: Right. We even had to shell out more money, yes,

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Speaker 1: Yes. Another thing that people talk about when it comes

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Speaker 1: And yeah, there are other more complicated ways taxes impact

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Speaker 1: And of course all of this is made worse by

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Speaker 2: Interestingly, I came up on someone who just wrote a

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry if I said that right, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: in this book. And she writes not only about the

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Speaker 2: pink text, but how women of color, specifically black women

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Speaker 2: are doubly taxed on top of that, and then talking

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Speaker 3: So we'll look into that.

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Speaker 2: But I find that fact like conversation starting to happen more,

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Speaker 2: and I'm really glad to that. But it is is

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Speaker 2: this like eye opening moment of realizing, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, which does bring us to tariffs and so

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Speaker 1: called pink tariffs.

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Speaker 3: Okay, a fun name for that too, I know, let's just.

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Speaker 1: Put a fun name on it. Okay, So again, not experts,

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Speaker 1: but I did want to put this in here because

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Speaker 1: people that are running this country. A tariff is paid

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Speaker 1: by the country doing the imboarding, not the country where

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Speaker 1: the products are coming from. All right, Okay, so Trump

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Speaker 1: has long been obsessed with tariffs. He made it clear

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Speaker 1: And of course the rollout of his tariffs was disasters

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Speaker 1: So he paused them for ninety days, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: of that as you will. As discussed in our recent

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Speaker 1: Equal Payday episode, all of these issues compound to mean

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Speaker 2: So he's going to give individual businesses like you can

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Speaker 2: get these items personally to you without like how does that?

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Speaker 3: How would Okay? Never mind.

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Speaker 1: I think it was just kind of a like, let's

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Speaker 2: If he does that for anyone, it's gonna be Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, I do want to say, kind of going

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Speaker 1: it is a very important conversation to have. There's so much,

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Speaker 1: There is so much, and like we said, this was

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