WEBVTT - Chapter 2: The Drunken Banjo Player

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<v Speaker 1>Evolution and war have both been described the exact same way,

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<v Speaker 1>endless periods of supreme boredom punctuated by brief periods of

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<v Speaker 1>abject terror. Change when it comes, comes in loud, sudden bursts.

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<v Speaker 1>One such burst, the subject of our show, happened between

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty five and nineteen seventy three to a country,

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<v Speaker 1>to a church, and to a bunch of young Catholics.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it comes to change, there always lurks the

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<v Speaker 1>revolutionary's dilemma. Do you change things incrementally from the inside

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<v Speaker 1>or do you agitate from outside and smash institutions? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you be the change, as Gandhi said, or if this

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<v Speaker 1>were pro wrestling, do you pull a reverse Gandhi and

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<v Speaker 1>force the change? This show will explore both sides of

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<v Speaker 1>this dilemma, two sides which faithfully came together in a

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<v Speaker 1>rare dis unified strength to protect Paul Kome So dig

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<v Speaker 1>if you will the picture. We last left Paul standing

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<v Speaker 1>agog in the Brigham's Diner, next to Marianne and Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>helplessly looking on as Anne, Walsh and Tobin led the

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<v Speaker 1>marchers down Tremont Street toward the waiting Feds in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the Paulist Center. They were on the verge of

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<v Speaker 1>the first political sanctuary in a Catholic church in four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years. To do this, to find a Catholic church

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<v Speaker 1>that would be willing to thrust itself between the anti

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<v Speaker 1>war resistance and the federal government, they would need a

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<v Speaker 1>man on the inside. These outside agitators needed to find

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<v Speaker 1>a Roman Catholic priest, an inside incrementalist, crazy enough to

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<v Speaker 1>take on the Archdiocese of Boston, the federal government, and

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<v Speaker 1>his own Holy Order. No priest in his right mind

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<v Speaker 1>would do this, except that is for Patrick, their man

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<v Speaker 1>on the inside, on that morning of the sanctuary, as

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<v Speaker 1>he stood behind the red double doors of the Polist

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<v Speaker 1>Center waiting for Paul and the others, Patrick was a

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<v Speaker 1>wild haired Gonzo priest who had decided to stake his

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<v Speaker 1>church on a crazy bet to sabotage a war. However,

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<v Speaker 1>only two years prior to him standing there in that foyer,

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<v Speaker 1>the Polis Center in downtown Boston had been just another musty,

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<v Speaker 1>old smells and bells echo chamber of a stolid Catholic past,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind where you'd go to church on Sunday, here,

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<v Speaker 1>quiet organ music as you shuffled in and a single

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<v Speaker 1>cough would reverberate for days. You remember what Jim Carroll,

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<v Speaker 1>the author from the last episode said about the place.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was also a famously establishment, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>full of old guys.

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<v Speaker 1>But Patrick, in the two years since his ordination and

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<v Speaker 1>subsequent assignment to the Paula Center, had somehow transformed it

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<v Speaker 1>into a vibrating beehive of subversive madness and progressive ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>The Catholic Church was going through a revolution and the

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<v Speaker 2>paul Center was a main place of revolutionary firment.

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<v Speaker 1>So who the hell was Patrick and how the hell

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<v Speaker 1>did he get this way? This divine intervention Chapter two,

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<v Speaker 1>The drunken banjo player. This cat scandalized his entire order

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<v Speaker 1>on a national scale and basically detonated what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to be a priest. But he began like they all did,

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<v Speaker 1>a conformist, apple cheeked nineteen fifties kid with cuffs in

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<v Speaker 1>his jeans and an all shocks attitude.

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<v Speaker 3>Patrick was, of course an altiboy.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's sister Joanne, he.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a prized Alta boy. Everyone wanted Patrick to be

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<v Speaker 3>the altiboy at their weddings because he was so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Joanne is a painter and retired therapist. Soft spoken yet

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<v Speaker 1>ferociously passionate, she has spent many years trying to reclaim

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<v Speaker 1>the term hag as a thing of power, even printing

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<v Speaker 1>t shirts and toad bags.

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<v Speaker 3>And he had this toussled, blonde, curly hair because he

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<v Speaker 3>was just so there, and so he would be the

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<v Speaker 3>altiboy at weddings and he'd get tipps and he thought

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<v Speaker 3>that was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick was the second youngest of seven children.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people call us Irish trains.

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<v Speaker 1>Joanne was the youngest. Patrick grew up in Quincy, which

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<v Speaker 1>locals pronounced with a z quinn. It's next to Dorchester

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<v Speaker 1>on the water, which makes it sound a little fancier

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<v Speaker 1>than its. Patrick's father was an Irish immigrant who worked

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<v Speaker 1>as a machinist at the local navy yard.

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<v Speaker 3>My father and Patrick built a boat in our basement.

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<v Speaker 3>They worked on it night after night after night, and

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<v Speaker 3>it turned into the most beautiful sailboat you could just imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Patrick set it out in the water and

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<v Speaker 3>he just sailed all over the place with that boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually the neighborhood kids got jealous, so Patrick and his

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<v Speaker 1>father built nine more boats and then they began having

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<v Speaker 1>races on Boston Harbor. This kid had a unique trust

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<v Speaker 1>in himself, a love of charting his own course into

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<v Speaker 1>the unknown, and yet somehow he ended up going into

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<v Speaker 1>the priesthood, entering a global religious hierarchy that demanded submission

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<v Speaker 1>to authority. I did Patrick choose the priesthood. Maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other parochial school kids, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>nuns took a shine to him, and they pulled him

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<v Speaker 1>aside and told him he had that priestly X factor.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe it was his parents.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that it was sort of an inevitable path

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<v Speaker 3>given the context of our family, the Irish Catholic, the

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<v Speaker 3>reverence for priests. It was the highest calling that you

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<v Speaker 3>could ever respond to as far as my parents were concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so maybe his parents had their thumb on the scale.

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<v Speaker 1>But the question I'm still left with is what in

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<v Speaker 1>the crap would make someone want to become a priest

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. I mean, I grew up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of Catholic. I was Catholic when I visited my

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<v Speaker 1>elderly aunt Mimian Scranton for the summer, Catholic enough to

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<v Speaker 1>know it was a really big deal. When the parish

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<v Speaker 1>priest was in your house, it felt like a celebrity

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<v Speaker 1>was in your dining room. Of all the houses, of

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<v Speaker 1>all the people, all the pews. On Sunday, here was

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<v Speaker 1>Father McGillicutty eating corn on the cob in hours. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>now looking back, it's like you let a priest into

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<v Speaker 1>your house Jesus. But this was before all the scandals,

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<v Speaker 1>so you just felt anointed. But even with that rock

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<v Speaker 1>star status at awkward family dinners, there are still the

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<v Speaker 1>endless wakes and funerals and multiple masses a week. What

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<v Speaker 1>is the draw? This is Floyd McManus. He just sighed

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<v Speaker 1>because I asked him why he became a priest. He

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<v Speaker 1>and Jim Carroll were seminarians.

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<v Speaker 4>With Patrick, I guess the notion of service.

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<v Speaker 1>Not many priests nor former priests have a really solid

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<v Speaker 1>answer to that question, And as you've gathered by now,

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's not around anymore. So unfortunately, we can only guess

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<v Speaker 1>at Patrick's true motivation to become a priest beyond pleasing

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<v Speaker 1>his parents. What we do know is the succession of

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<v Speaker 1>world events that surrounded his decision making. We know Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>came of age on the cusp of the nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>We also know this was the era of the two Johns,

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<v Speaker 1>and not John F. Kennedy, the first Catholic President not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention Irish Catholic was sitting in the Oval Office

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<v Speaker 1>after being a shot upon immigrant group for over a century.

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<v Speaker 1>It's impossible to overstate the significance of one of us

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<v Speaker 1>in the White House. And it's equally impossible to overstate

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<v Speaker 1>the significance of that one sentence on an entire generation

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<v Speaker 1>of young people like Patrick. But John F. Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 1>only one John, and maybe not even the most important

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<v Speaker 1>John to Patrick at the time. There was also the

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<v Speaker 1>other John, the newly appointed John, the twenty third, raising

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<v Speaker 1>hell in the Vatican, and that John may have had

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<v Speaker 1>something to do with how Patrick turned out to be

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<v Speaker 1>a gonzo, wild haired priest. Okay, and since this is

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<v Speaker 1>a show about Catholics, before we go on, here's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the weirder things you need to know about them

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<v Speaker 1>as you listen to this. Over a billion of these

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<v Speaker 1>specimens are groping around the crust of this planet, participating

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<v Speaker 1>in a global religious hierarchy that answers ultimately to one

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<v Speaker 1>guy wearing a dress who lives in his own miniature

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<v Speaker 1>country in the middle of downtown Rome, and this man,

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Pope, is the ultimate intermediary between a

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<v Speaker 1>billion people, the world they live in, and their godhead.

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<v Speaker 1>Popes have a metric crap ton of executive power, so

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<v Speaker 1>naming a new one is really a gamble because you

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<v Speaker 1>really never know who you're going to get until a

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<v Speaker 1>funny hat goes on. When Patrick was nineteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>Pope Pius the Twelfth, who'd been pope since the week

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick was born, died and the cardinals of the world

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<v Speaker 1>dashed to Rome to choose the successor. A large crowd

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<v Speaker 1>of Catholics gathered in Saint Peter's Square and Vatican City

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<v Speaker 1>to wait for news of a new pope, And after

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<v Speaker 1>eleven days of waiting, white smoke puffed from the chimney

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<v Speaker 1>over the Sistine Chapel. How about us, pop, 'm we

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<v Speaker 1>had a new Pope. I was there.

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<v Speaker 3>I was there.

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<v Speaker 5>It's very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bob Knnane. He was a young priest in

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<v Speaker 1>Rome back in nineteen fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 5>We ran out of it to Saint Peter's Square when

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<v Speaker 5>we found out the pope. You know, the white smoke

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<v Speaker 5>and all that kind of stuff. Was very exciting. We

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<v Speaker 5>all got in the square and they said the new

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<v Speaker 5>Pope is John the twenty three, and everybody looked at

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<v Speaker 5>one another saying what.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a total surprise. It turns out the pope

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<v Speaker 1>they chose, John the twenty third was a surprise even

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<v Speaker 1>to himself. In fact, he had bought a round trip

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<v Speaker 1>train ticket to Rome, fully expecting to return to his

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<v Speaker 1>duties as the Patriarch of Venice.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody expected anything from him, and of course totally he

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<v Speaker 5>changed the whole atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>There were early signs for anyone paying attention that this

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<v Speaker 1>pope was going to be trouble. Jim Carroll describes John

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<v Speaker 1>as a big eared bear, hug of a man, and

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<v Speaker 1>a roly poly peasant pope. In one story, John the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty third was once asked by a child how do

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<v Speaker 1>people work at the Vatican and his answer was eh,

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<v Speaker 1>about half. He also said it often happens I wake

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<v Speaker 1>up at night and begin to think about the serious

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<v Speaker 1>problems afflicting the world, and I tell myself I must

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the Pope about this. Then the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>when I wake up, I remember that I'm the Pope.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy was a strange bird compared to every other pope,

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick and his generation had ever beheld as their leader,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was becoming clear that he had big plans.

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<v Speaker 1>One of his first acts as pope was to deliver

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<v Speaker 1>an appeal for world peace.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we were used to popes going watch yourself now,

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<v Speaker 5>you know you sort of like that head the recruiters. Instead,

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<v Speaker 5>he opened the windows and he said, do you know

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<v Speaker 5>he kind of he changed things.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly, this pope, the Italian son of an impoverished peasant farmer,

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<v Speaker 1>had entered the world stage, and his appeal for world

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<v Speaker 1>peace began to ring like a clarion bell for a

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<v Speaker 1>generation of young people like Patrick.

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<v Speaker 6>He was an you might say, an oddity. He was different.

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<v Speaker 6>He was not like the other popes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is noted American historian Howard Zinn, whom I interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and nine, a few months before he

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<v Speaker 1>passed away.

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<v Speaker 6>He was a rebel in many ways, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>he became a hero to many of the people on

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<v Speaker 6>the Catholic left. I know Jim carl my friend Jim Carroll,

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<v Speaker 6>who has written so much about the Catholic Church, looks

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<v Speaker 6>to John twenty third as a very special historic period

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<v Speaker 6>in the history of the paper sit.

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<v Speaker 2>The Catholic Church was going through a revolutionary and this

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<v Speaker 2>whole revolutionary process was just beginning in the mid to

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<v Speaker 2>late nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>Young Catholics everywhere, Young Catholics like Patrick, were enthralled by

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<v Speaker 1>this new pope and his peculiar radical style.

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<v Speaker 7>He opened the doors. He was a modern contemporary theologian

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<v Speaker 7>and thinker, and he knew the church needed to get

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<v Speaker 7>into the modern age.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Mary Anne who he last left standing next

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<v Speaker 1>to Paul at the Brighams.

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<v Speaker 7>And he changed it dramatically. And it was at the

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<v Speaker 7>same time that John Kennedy became President of the United States.

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<v Speaker 7>Those two hugely symbolic transformational figures came on to the

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<v Speaker 7>world stage.

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<v Speaker 8>And it's as if they just.

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<v Speaker 7>Try these incredible doors open, and a whole generation just.

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<v Speaker 8>Poured through like crazy torrents of water poured through.

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<v Speaker 1>What we know is that Patrick saw a fellow Irish

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic Bostonian in the Oval office and a mischievous change

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<v Speaker 1>maker in Saint Peter's Basilica. Maybe it was his natural leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>or the nuns at school, or his parents, or the

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<v Speaker 1>two Johns, or simply a sense of adventure, but whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it was, it propelled Patrick into a life of the cloth.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's next move after deciding to become a priest was

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<v Speaker 1>to choose the right order. If Patrick chose the wrong order,

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<v Speaker 1>while the only risk winding up permanently unfulfilled and misspending

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<v Speaker 1>his eternity. As for the priest orders, the Dominicans are

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<v Speaker 1>the accountant types. The Franciscans are the tree hugging hippies.

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<v Speaker 1>The Jesuits are the cool professors doing bong rips at

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<v Speaker 1>frat parties. The Benedictines are the nerd bomb librarians. The

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<v Speaker 1>Carmelites are the mystics. The Vincentians worked with the poor,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Poulis are kind of the ones who end

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<v Speaker 1>up in the av club, you know, pouches of dice,

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<v Speaker 1>model rockets, you know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 7>And so he joined the Paul's Fathers and then spent

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<v Speaker 7>it's eight years in the seminary.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, it's the huge commitment.

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<v Speaker 4>Different orders have different missions, and for the Paulus, their

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<v Speaker 4>mission was North America, and the Pause were.

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<v Speaker 7>Really known for communication, and you know they had TV

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<v Speaker 7>and radio.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he went into the Paulis and vishit.

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<v Speaker 1>So Patrick told his family, I'm off to the seminar.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to set out on this path. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how far I can go, but this is what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm aiming toward. And everyone was so happy and supportive

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<v Speaker 3>and just thought, oh, this is right, this seems so right.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's choice to join the Paulists, obsessed as they were

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<v Speaker 1>with communication, suggested that at this point he felt, I

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<v Speaker 1>have something I want to say to this world, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say it loud and clear. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure out what the hell it is. In

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<v Speaker 1>the fall of nineteen sixty two, Patrick, Floyd, and Jim

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<v Speaker 1>turned up at a place called Mount Paul Novitiate in

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson Township, New Jersey to begin their journey towards ordination.

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<v Speaker 1>They arrived on a crisp September morning, driving down the

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<v Speaker 1>tree lined mile long driveway off Ridge Road to reach

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<v Speaker 1>a former hunting lodge with a little pond in several outbuildings. There,

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<v Speaker 1>they were each given a black cassock as a uniform

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<v Speaker 1>for their stay. As young men who'd grown accustomed to

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<v Speaker 1>wearing pants in public their entire lives, this would have

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<v Speaker 1>felt very unsettling for them. The boys were then told

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<v Speaker 1>they would live here for one year and one day

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<v Speaker 1>as novices to decide if they wanted to spend the

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<v Speaker 1>following seven years in seminary. They were told the rules

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<v Speaker 1>were strict and they'd have to learn the stern and

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<v Speaker 1>disciplined life of a would be priest. Television and phone

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<v Speaker 1>calls were things of the past. They were told they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't allowed to leave campus on their own for the

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<v Speaker 1>entire time they were there, And finally, they were left

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<v Speaker 1>to ponder the question that would haunt the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>their time as priests. Are you in this world to

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<v Speaker 1>participate in this vocation or are you in this vocation

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<v Speaker 1>to participate in the world. Boys, struck dumb by this decision,

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<v Speaker 1>which would determine who they would be as priests, would

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<v Speaker 1>then stroll around the grounds until they felt at home

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<v Speaker 1>and not like they'd made a terrible mistake. But Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>was not so easily daunted. By all accounts, he was

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<v Speaker 1>an irrepressible, a brilliant character from the moment he arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>He was roughly five to eight, stocky, warm, friendly and confident,

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<v Speaker 1>with a bit of a trickster's gleam in his eye,

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<v Speaker 1>and you.

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<v Speaker 7>Know they tell the story about Patrick, of course, who

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<v Speaker 7>could not sit spiled for five minutes.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean he got to the seminary and said.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, my wife to do something about this.

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<v Speaker 8>So I think the first thing he did was literally

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<v Speaker 8>build a boat.

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<v Speaker 4>He wants to build a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd had grown up a Canadian farm boy and was

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<v Speaker 1>assigned to run the wood shop.

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<v Speaker 4>And he needs some way by my equipment. I was

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<v Speaker 4>not very happy. But before long, not all only is

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<v Speaker 4>he using my but he's using me too to help him. See,

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<v Speaker 4>we weren't allowed out of that place. But by getting

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<v Speaker 4>involved in building this boat, he would have to go

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<v Speaker 4>out to get materials and that kind of things, which

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<v Speaker 4>took him out. Really, it seemed to be somewhat of

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<v Speaker 4>a consistent pattern. He would somehow be able to expand

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<v Speaker 4>the box that he would find himself in.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Patrick, Jim Harrell would later write in his books,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a man I want to be with. Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>had a particularly hard time saying goodbye to civilian life.

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<v Speaker 1>In the summers prior, he had been a cape caught

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<v Speaker 1>milkman by day, even delivering to the Kennedy compound and

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<v Speaker 1>getting pinches on the cheek from Rose by night. He

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<v Speaker 1>played banjo at a high Enda's honky tonk and caroused

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<v Speaker 1>to his heart's content. The night before he left a seminary,

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<v Speaker 1>he was dumped on the lawn by his friends, where

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<v Speaker 1>his parents found him. The following morning, he was shall

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<v Speaker 1>we say a party in.

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<v Speaker 3>This is another paragraph? Thank god, the summer is almost over.

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<v Speaker 1>A letter from Patrick to the Quincy Heights.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been quite hairy at times. On our Thursday hikes,

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<v Speaker 3>I sometimes see a group of guys drive by, drinking beer,

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<v Speaker 3>singing and raising hell. In general, you can imagine where

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<v Speaker 3>my mind wanders.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent several sprightly letters to his sister Joanne, with

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<v Speaker 1>graffiti all over the envelopes, vandalizing the return address to

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<v Speaker 1>read call Mount Paul Novigiat for the latest in seminary.

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<v Speaker 3>Ins received your letter. Very good letter. Please mail about

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<v Speaker 3>five a day, just kidding, four will do. I'm beginning

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<v Speaker 3>to get accustomed to this crazy life again. Pray, pray,

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<v Speaker 3>pray if some of those people at Charlie's could see

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<v Speaker 3>the banjo player now.

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<v Speaker 1>In her reading, Joanne left out the word drunken. He

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<v Speaker 1>had written drunken bancho player.

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<v Speaker 3>This one he signs mister O'Toole.

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<v Speaker 1>He signed early letters to Joanne things like Friar Tuck,

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<v Speaker 1>Uncle Charlie, Billy the Kid, Lord Chesterfield, Charlie Brown and

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Bear Archie love, prayers, trees, houses, cows and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Pat I'm gradually becoming an introvert, and that scares the

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<v Speaker 3>hell out of me.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like one challenge of the seminary is to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the old you alive as long as possible, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a losing battle. In the margins of one letter,

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<v Speaker 1>he added editor's note on first writing this letter, the

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<v Speaker 1>author was obviously disturbed, but he feels better now, so

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<v Speaker 1>he shall make corrections. And then he proceeded to pick

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<v Speaker 1>apart his own letter with little jokes, doing things like

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<v Speaker 1>circling all the eye pronouns and remarking too many eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>I simply adore myself. Patrick was chipper, boisterous, self effacing,

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<v Speaker 1>and had not an ounce of what the Germans called

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<v Speaker 1>Veltschmertz or world pain.

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<v Speaker 3>Right at this moment, I'm a bit lonely, melancholy, nostalgic,

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<v Speaker 3>but still a very content and happy guy. On the back.

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<v Speaker 3>He wants me to send him newspaper reports of Boston

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<v Speaker 3>college's hockey team.

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<v Speaker 1>Try as he might to keep up with the old

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<v Speaker 1>world he left behind. The seminary walls were closing in,

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<v Speaker 1>and the untroubled world he left behind in Quinsy seemed

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<v Speaker 1>farther away. With each new letter.

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<v Speaker 3>As part of preparing to be a celibate priest, he

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<v Speaker 3>was always trying to get rid of those feelings that

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<v Speaker 3>he had.

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<v Speaker 1>In one letter, he described the torment he felt about

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<v Speaker 1>one of his ex girlfriends who moved west. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized, he wrote, that if things were different and

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<v Speaker 1>we were both around Boston, we probably would have broken

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<v Speaker 1>up anyway, seeing as I hate to be tied down.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he continued, aware of the irony of his chosen profession.

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<v Speaker 1>This I think will be a problem that the Paulists

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<v Speaker 1>are going to have with Father Pat if he makes it.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Patrick knew the self described drunken banjo player had

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<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of growing up to do. Tradition is

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<v Speaker 1>meant to tame the heart from its desires. But the

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<v Speaker 1>heart is always a threat to tradition. But Catholic tradition

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<v Speaker 1>was about to be absolutely detonated in Rome by one

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<v Speaker 1>Pope John the twenty.

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<v Speaker 9>Third, Well Pope John undoubtedly this is the greatest day

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<v Speaker 9>of his pumpaving hid the convening of this General Assembly

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<v Speaker 9>of the Roman Catholic Church.

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<v Speaker 1>On October eleventh, nineteen sixty two, only a month after

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's arrival at Mount Pin, Pope John the twenty third

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<v Speaker 1>upended centuries of church dogma by convocating the Second Vatican Council.

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<v Speaker 10>This is the first ecumenical council in ninety two years,

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<v Speaker 10>and only the second in four hundred years. It as

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<v Speaker 10>solemnly opened this Pope John twenty third is carried into

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<v Speaker 10>Saint Peter's on his portable throne.

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<v Speaker 1>All the Church's bishops from all over the world headed

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<v Speaker 1>for Rome in a once in a century convening to

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<v Speaker 1>decide on major church business. This was a huge ecumenical council.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been about twenty in all of history, and

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<v Speaker 1>from your tenth grade World history class you might vaguely

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<v Speaker 1>recall the Council of Nicea, or maybe the Council of

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<v Speaker 1>Trent if you were in ap history. This one was

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<v Speaker 1>called the Second Vatican Council because there had been a

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<v Speaker 1>first Vatican Council in eighteen seventy and at that one

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<v Speaker 1>you may remember if you took religious studies. They defined

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<v Speaker 1>papal infallibility. Anything in everything the Pope decreed was automatically

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<v Speaker 1>perfect by virtue of the Hope having decreed it. After

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<v Speaker 1>the First Vatican Council, popes now had supreme executive power,

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<v Speaker 1>and no pope in their right mind would possibly give

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<v Speaker 1>that up Until John the twenty third took office. He

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<v Speaker 1>declared it was time for the Church to enter the

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<v Speaker 1>modern age, so he announced a second Vatican Council. Less

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<v Speaker 1>than a month after Patrick, Floyd and Jim arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>their seminary to become priests. They were herded into the

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<v Speaker 1>common room and an old Filko television was rolled in

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<v Speaker 1>for them to watch the momentous opening ceremony for Vatican Two.

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<v Speaker 1>They sat on couches and the ends of couches as

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<v Speaker 1>the very church they had decided to devote their lives

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<v Speaker 1>to began to molt right in front of their eyes.

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<v Speaker 11>Pope John enters the Pasilica as the bells toll for

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<v Speaker 11>the largest assembly in the.

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<v Speaker 1>History of the Roman Church in the halls of the Vatican.

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<v Speaker 1>All the old brass thought the Pope was crazy for

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<v Speaker 1>convening this council, which would undoubtedly force him to relinquish

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<v Speaker 1>some of that absolute executive power the papacy had been

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<v Speaker 1>granted one hundred years earlier, but to John the twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>yielding some papal power was precisely why Vatican Two had

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<v Speaker 1>to happen well.

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<v Speaker 2>Vatican Two was the Catholic Church's response to the Church's

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<v Speaker 2>failure to oppose the murder of six million Jews.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jim Carroll, who watched these proceedings along with

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick and Floyd in.

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<v Speaker 2>The Catholic Church in particular, had failed miserably in its

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<v Speaker 2>obligation moral obligation to stand up forthrightly in opposition to

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<v Speaker 2>the genocide of the Jewish people.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim argues that in the years following World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>Christians and Catholics began to recognize that Hitler's actions had

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<v Speaker 1>depended on thousands of years of anti Semitism perpetrated by

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<v Speaker 1>Christian ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the Jews murdered Jesus, the Jews were replaced in

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<v Speaker 2>God's favor as the chosen people by the Church. The

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<v Speaker 2>Jews had no theological reason to continue existing after they

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<v Speaker 2>rejected Jesus. It was a small step from that to

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<v Speaker 2>saying they had no reason for physical existence either. So

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<v Speaker 2>confronting the sources of the Holocaust was the hidden engine

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<v Speaker 2>of what Pope John the twenty third saw when he

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<v Speaker 2>became pope in the late nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>See when John the twenty third was still Archbishop Angelo Roncali.

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<v Speaker 1>He watched in horror when in nineteen forty three Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>rounded up the Jews in Rome and Pope Pious the

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<v Speaker 1>twelfth said nothing. Roncoli meanwhile, actively resisted the Holocaust by

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<v Speaker 1>falsifying thousands of baptismal records for Jews making their escape.

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<v Speaker 1>Then after the war, in nineteen forty nine, Roncali watched

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<v Speaker 1>as Pious the twelfth Samaria excommunicated all Communists, demonstrating a

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<v Speaker 1>capacity for strong stances that had been absent during the war.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Roncali became John the twenty third, he was

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<v Speaker 1>crystal clear that it was time for a change, and

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<v Speaker 1>his first target was the very language of the faith itself.

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<v Speaker 1>The word Catholic with a lower case C means universal.

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<v Speaker 1>The box office draw for the Catholic Church in the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes of the Vatican has always been that it's one

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<v Speaker 1>gigantic organization. So starting around the fourth or fifth century AD,

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<v Speaker 1>the Church decided that all masses should be set in

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<v Speaker 1>Latin because it was a universal language and basically everyone

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<v Speaker 1>had to take it in school. In fact, the ATMs

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<v Speaker 1>in Vatican City still have a Latin option in their

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<v Speaker 1>language preferences. When Vatican two began, Latin had been the

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<v Speaker 1>official church language for roughly fifteen hundred years. Patrick dreaded

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<v Speaker 1>the Latin part of the job. You went to Mass

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday and the priests droned on in a dead language,

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<v Speaker 1>like he was literally casting spells, and the priest faced

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<v Speaker 1>away from you. So you just sat there witnessing this ceremony,

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>having no idea what was going on. They kept a

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>very mysterious paul cooming.

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<v Speaker 12>It gave more power to the church, and it gave

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<v Speaker 12>more power to the priests up front. You wouldn't challenge

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 12>their words because you didn't understand their words. It was

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<v Speaker 12>a sacred, veiled service that went on.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, celebrating Mass in Latin was the Church's

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism to cling to priestly power. So the first proposal

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<v Speaker 1>on the Vatican two docket was to put mandatory Latin

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<v Speaker 1>on the chopping block and allow priests to give masses

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>in the local language of a given church. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a massively volatile decision with extremely passionate opposed camps. Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Carroll would later note in his books the significance of

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>this debate. The conservatives in the Vatican knew. This vote

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:12.719
<v Speaker 1>terrified most of the cardinals because it symbolized ceding power

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>to the people and away from the clergy. And as

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<v Speaker 1>this first dramatic ballot of this once in a century

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>council was about to take place, the progressives John the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty third among them, did not have the votes.

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<v Speaker 11>There are twenty six hundred attending bishops, twenty two hundred

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<v Speaker 11>of them have taken their places, and two grand fans

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<v Speaker 11>on either side of the nave.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the boys at Mount Paul, watching on the

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>philco and their common room, the fate of their church

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>hinged on one vote they were about to witness on

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<v Speaker 1>live TV. But then the fate of Latin Mass was

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<v Speaker 1>put on hold by major world events. Because less we

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<v Speaker 1>forget this was October of nineteen nineteen.

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<v Speaker 10>Sixty two, world peace was threatened by the most critical

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<v Speaker 10>period in history since the end of the war.

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<v Speaker 1>While the bishops were having their stare down over Latin

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>and Rome, President Kennedy was being presented pictures of missile

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>installations on the island of Cuba, installations first noticed by

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Jim Carroll's father, who was director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy immediately established a naval embargo surrounding Cuba, as Russian

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 1>tankers loaded with more missiles steamed across the Atlantic, setting

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>up a showdown that could very likely have meant the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the world.

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 13>Arms blockade of Cuba, and later.

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>On October twenty second, JFK addressed a stunned nation, including Patrick,

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Floyd and Jim crowded once again around the film coat.

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<v Speaker 13>This government, as promised, has maintained the closest surveillance of

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<v Speaker 13>the Soviet military build up on the island of Cuba.

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<v Speaker 13>The purpose of these bases can be none other than

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<v Speaker 13>to provide a nuclear strike capability against the Western Hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy and Khrushcheff were locked in a deadly game of chicken.

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>The citizens of Earth held their collective breath and prayed

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>for a dais ex Machina at Mount paul I pictured

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the autumn mornings getting crisper as the boys stood in

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>their cassocks at Pond's edge. Watching the leaves fall, the

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>odd quiet in the woods as they stared at the

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>windows of distant living rooms, illuminated with the glow of

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>this unfolding horror. On the nightly news, there were B

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>fifty two's in the air carrying nuclear weapons, one hundred

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>thousand troops stationed in Florida ready to invade Cuba. For

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>thirteen days, life on Earth hung by its fingernails. But

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>then incredible thing happened. Pope John the twenty third had

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<v Speaker 1>secret contact with both Washington and Moscow. On October twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>Pope John, following a plan he had hatched with Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>and Khruschef, made an appeal for peace on Vatican radio.

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Nusuprian TuS le gouverna girl. We beg all rulers not

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<v Speaker 1>to be deaf to the cry of.

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<v Speaker 5>Humanity zecut lucri a guassi bey bee.

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<v Speaker 1>Kruzchef made sure that the Pope's appeal ran in the

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>state newspaper above the fold in Moscow. Three days later,

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>he issued a public statement that the Soviet missiles would

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>be dismantled and removed from Cuba. Kennedy, the first Catholic

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>president who was already sensitive about looking like he was

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>taking orders from the Pope, got to look tough. Khrushcheff

0:33:54.800 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>got to look human, and a priest had saved the world.

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Emboldened by John the twenty Third's courage, the progressive cardinals

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>back of the Vatican rallied a coalition and voted to

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>remove Latin masses in a landslide decision. Vatican two would

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 1>now proceed with its promise of monumental church reforms. The

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 1>traditions of the Catholic Church had always been its strength,

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>but suddenly sweeping changes had begun to take hold. The

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 1>next Easter, John the twenty third issued a papal encyclical,

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>which is an open letter to the bishops of the world,

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>called patchem in Terras or Peace on Earth. In it,

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>he indicated that the burgeoning women's movement was a positive

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>sign of the times, and he said, most preciently, at

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>the dawn of the Vietnam conflict, it's hardly possible to

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:53.720
<v Speaker 1>imagine in the atomic era that war could be used

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>for justice. And for Patrick, Floyd and Jim, seeing what

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Pope John did, how he was in his vocation to

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>participate in the world. Let the boys know that the

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>demands of this job were enormous, Far beyond learning Latin

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>and being an impressive dinner guest. Suddenly being Catholic felt very,

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 1>very significant, and the promise of their priesthoods, the very

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>scope of their vocations, felt infinite. But these events also

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 1>set a conflict in motion for them that would come

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to define their priesthoods. There is what tradition wants, and

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:42.479
<v Speaker 1>there is what the times demand. For the next year,

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.919
<v Speaker 1>as a novice, Patrick roamed the campus of Mount Paul

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Novitiate in his black cassock with a white linen collar

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.760
<v Speaker 1>that went all the way around his neck. In a breeze,

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.320
<v Speaker 1>a group of his fellow novitiates looked like a murder

0:35:55.320 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of crows or a chorus of black swinging handbells. It

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 1>was now clear that he had entered the Seminary in

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 1>no ordinary times. The walls of the seminary had, for

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.240
<v Speaker 1>centuries shut the world out so young men could attune

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>themselves to the faint frequency that contained the presence of

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>God and with time make it louder. But as the

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>boys made their move to the Seminary proper in Washington,

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 1>d c. And began their lives of relative monotony and

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 1>rigorous study. It became clear that the world outside those

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>walls was starting to change and unless they watched it carefully,

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 1>would leave them behind. So Patrick got an.

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 7>Idea seminary said, this is not going to work out.

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.359
<v Speaker 3>To just stay here, that's not going to work.

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 4>He started up a singing group called the Roman Callers

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 4>or something. I was never involved in that because I

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 4>couldn't carry a note on a will. Barily, you know, we.

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<v Speaker 14>Can take time, I think to introduce fifth member of

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 14>our group. Pat is from Quincy, Massachusetts.

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 3>He's a deacon.

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 14>Maybe you don't know what a deacon is. He's almost

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 14>a priest. I'd like to do a Simon and Garfunkle

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 14>special fil called Missus Robinson.

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:19.839
<v Speaker 7>Because Pauls were all about communication and evangelism and all

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 7>of that, he convinced them that he should start a

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.240
<v Speaker 7>singing group and that they could go to college campuses

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 7>across the country and recruit basically or evangelize or spread

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 7>the gospel.

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<v Speaker 1>They called themselves the Roman callersa m I n apostrophe.

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<v Speaker 4>They went all over hec's have agar with that, various

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 4>campuses and so forth, singing away. Whereas the rest of

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 4>us were droning away in the seminary.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, he was a tenor and Patrick had a

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 7>beautiful voice, a very really clear voice, and they traveled

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 7>all over the country and they did it for years.

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 3>They did it for years.

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<v Speaker 15>This really Roman Folars and that hasn't been our name

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 15>all the time. And we had a contest in the

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 15>seminary where we come up with some names that we

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 15>thought were kind of meaningful, that it kind of said

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 15>what we were all about. But second prize was the

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<v Speaker 15>Groove in Gurus, and the name that I really wanted

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 15>was called the Expectant Fathers.

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<v Speaker 16>That's the wop their singing group and this group of

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 16>nuns who had a singing group sang at Carnegie Hall,

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 16>and Patrick had a solo where he sings, I.

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 7>Believe in One God or something like that, and you

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 7>can hear him and it was his proudest moment that

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 7>he's sang at Carnegie Hall.

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 12>I believe in One God.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he wouldn't have been viewed as, oh, there's

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<v Speaker 4>somebody who is a rebel or wants to get away

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 4>or anything like that, but he would position himself to

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 4>be able to do that in a way that I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think was very common.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick had found a furtive way to keep his thumb

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.280
<v Speaker 1>on the pulse while his seminary superiors contended with keeping

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the tumult of the nineteen sixties away from the door.

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 1>But they would, of course fail That Philco Television in

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 1>the common room quickly became a portal for the boys,

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>through which they watched in awe as a relentless decade

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>of incredible world events transpired outside their seminary walls to

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<v Speaker 1>starting on June third, nineteen sixty three, when Pope John

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 1>the twenty third, the peasant Pope who had dared to

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>reboot a musty hierarchy, died of a cancer he'd kept secret. Then,

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>the following Tuesday in Sagone, as the Vatican deliberated a

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>successor to Pope John, a Buddhist monk named Tik Kwang

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.959
<v Speaker 1>Douk sat down in the middle of an intersection. Two

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>young fellow monks poured gasoline and jet fuel over the

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 1>elderly man, and then he dropped a match into his lap.

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Vietnamese President No Dindem, a Catholic mystic installed by the CIA,

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 1>had been mercilessly cracking down on the Buddhists. Tik Kwangduk

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 1>had immolated himself in protest of this violent oppression. A

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>photograph of the immolation ran on the front page of

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 1>newspapers around the world. When President Kennedy saw the picture

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>in the Oval Office, he yelled Jesus Christ and immediately

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 1>ordered a review of his Vietnam policy. For Patrick, seeing

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.760
<v Speaker 1>that photo, as a young seminarian, I can only imagine

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>his first thought might have been, this man was a

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 1>member of the clergy just like me, and in this job,

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the world may drive me to lengths I'm not yet

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:05.919
<v Speaker 1>prepared for. Ten days after that, on June twenty first,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty three, the boys were once again herded into

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the common room because Paul the sixth would now be

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>their pope. From the scuttle butt on the seminary faculty,

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the boys gathered this new pope was a conservative and

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>would immediately begin rolling back all the exciting progress the

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 1>institution had taken.

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:28.880
<v Speaker 6>One they did until they every heel and mounting should.

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<v Speaker 1>Be made a lot of the reply. Two months later,

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<v Speaker 1>on August twenty eighth, nineteen sixty three, the young Seminarians

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>gathered once again to watch the Reverend doctor Martin Luther

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:42.239
<v Speaker 1>King give his eye have a dream speech. It was

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 1>there Jim would later write that he learned there were

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>two types of preachers, those who tell you what you

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>already know, and those who tell you things you'd never

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 1>heard before. Just three months after that, on November twenty second,

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty three, President John F. Kennan was assassinated in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 13>Kennedy died at one pm Central Standard time.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick rode to his sister Joanne, he sure represented a

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 1>real guy in my mind, kind of like a symbol

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 1>of American youth. His death simply gagged me, and I'm

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.240
<v Speaker 1>going to miss him in a personal sort of way.

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I can't figure it out. Three question marks. With both

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 1>John's gone. Whatever birth of inspiration that led the boys

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:37.319
<v Speaker 1>into the seminary was now harder to find. Life was

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:49.840
<v Speaker 1>getting very serious and feeling very grown up. Summer nineteen

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:53.359
<v Speaker 1>sixty four, in the Gulf of Tonkin, off the coast

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of Vietnam, some North Vietnamese patrol boats played basically what

0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>amounts it to a game of chicken with a US destroyer,

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and this was all the Hawks in the Johnson administration

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 1>needed to pounce on the opportunity for a winnable symbolic

0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 1>fight against communism.

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 9>Viewed hostile actions have today required me to order the

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 9>military forces of the United States to take action and.

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Reply, leading to the official opening of the Vietnam conflict, at.

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Which point Patrick and I are still in the seminary,

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:27.760
<v Speaker 2>wet behind the ears. Jim naive about many things, including

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:32.439
<v Speaker 2>the war in Vietnam not resisting at all.

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Yet Throughout the fall of nineteen sixty four, tensions grew

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>in Indo China. People who voted for Johnson thought he

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>could get the Vietnam situation under control.

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 2>The election in nineteen sixty four, Lyndon Johnson, the peace candidate,

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>had just been elected. We thought that the resolution had

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:53.760
<v Speaker 2>just taken place. But in February of nineteen sixty five, Johnson,

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 2>newly inaugurated for his own term as president, launched the

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<v Speaker 2>war in Vietnam effect with a campaign called Operation Rolling Thunder.

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<v Speaker 1>A bombing campaign of North Vietnam that was intended to

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<v Speaker 1>last eight weeks, but that went on for three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Many many people would later describe Rolling Thunder as the

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<v Speaker 1>germ of their personal radicalization. Then one week into the

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<v Speaker 1>bombing campaign, on March ninth, nineteen sixty five, Johnson authorized napalm,

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<v Speaker 1>a combination of gasoline and melted styrofoam, which created a sticky,

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<v Speaker 1>flammable jelly that burst from the bombs and tortured anyone

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<v Speaker 1>it landed on. Napalm burns hotter and longer than gasoline alone,

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<v Speaker 1>and is particularly effective as what the military calls an

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<v Speaker 1>anti personnel weapon. In their common room, watching the first

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<v Speaker 1>televised war, napalm was probably a big problem for Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd and Jim. The American bishops, led by card Spellman

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<v Speaker 1>of New York, the de facto most powerful Catholic authority

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, had already come out in favor

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<v Speaker 1>of the war, but with napalm, it quickly became clear

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<v Speaker 1>that over in Vietnam, because of Rolling Thunder, this shit

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<v Speaker 1>was sticking to children and burning them alive. And for

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<v Speaker 1>the boys, it was probably really hard not to think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe perhaps the Church was wrong on this one, and

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<v Speaker 1>in Patrick's brain, the first molecule of descent beat to life.

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<v Speaker 1>In November of nineteen sixty five, Americans began setting themselves

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<v Speaker 1>on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Roger Lapourte Jim, who was a young Catholic worker in

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<v Speaker 2>New York. He set himself aflame and he said to

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<v Speaker 2>a bystander, as he was about to be immolated, Catholic worker,

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I did this as a religious act, and then he died.

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Laporte was twenty two years old when he brought

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<v Speaker 1>a can of gasoline to the United Nations Building, sat

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<v Speaker 1>in the lotus position just like Tik Kwong Duk, and

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:18.360
<v Speaker 1>set himself on fire. The uproar was immediate.

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<v Speaker 6>Now those of us who were involved in the anti

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<v Speaker 6>Wah movement, Howard Zinn became conscious of these Americans who

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<v Speaker 6>immolated themselves. They would sacrished their lives in order to

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<v Speaker 6>bring to the attention of the American people that we

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<v Speaker 6>were burning people in Vietnam. You know, while some people

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<v Speaker 6>might have said, oh, well, this was a feutile gesture,

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:44.839
<v Speaker 6>or this was silly or wrong, or criticism made of

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 6>people who did this, and yet they had a profound

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<v Speaker 6>effect on many people. They had a profound effect well

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<v Speaker 6>on Daniel Berrigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Berrigan was a forty four year old Jesuit priest

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<v Speaker 1>in New York known at a time for his poetry.

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<v Speaker 1>Berregan was invited to officiate Roger Laport's memorial service, and

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<v Speaker 1>doing so caused an uproar. Here he is speaking about

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<v Speaker 1>it on democracy now.

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<v Speaker 15>And in the course of it, I cast doubt upon

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<v Speaker 15>the judgment of the cardinal that there had been suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Laporte's self immolation would thrust Dan Berigan into the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the anti war movement. Patrick was in the

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<v Speaker 1>seminary starting to hear about this rebel priest thumbing his

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<v Speaker 1>nose at the most powerful cardinal in the United States.

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<v Speaker 15>And there was panic in the authorities of the Archdiocese

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<v Speaker 15>of New York.

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<v Speaker 1>And in my order, it must have been like watching

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<v Speaker 1>a fearless classmate talk back to a terrifying Vice Principal.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Bergan refused to condemn it, and he prayed at

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<v Speaker 2>Roger Laporte's funeral service, which was enough to get Cardinal

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<v Speaker 2>Spelman enraged at him, and Cardinal Spelman pressured the Jesuits

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<v Speaker 2>to send Berggin into exile. That made Berrigan famous.

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<v Speaker 1>With Berrigan and other young priests on one side and

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinal Spelman and the rest of the pro war American

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<v Speaker 1>bishops on the other, Patrick saw the church splitting in

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:09.879
<v Speaker 1>half over this war.

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<v Speaker 6>Their actions influenced people to think about the war and

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<v Speaker 6>then to join the anti war movement.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing was clear. All over the world people were burning.

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<v Speaker 2>By November of that year, an anti war movement is beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>just in its first phase.

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<v Speaker 1>With their ordination around the corner, the boys felt themselves

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<v Speaker 1>on a collision course with the world they no longer understood.

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<v Speaker 1>By October of nineteen sixty seven, as the Church was

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:47.360
<v Speaker 1>tearing itself in half over the war, Patrick, Floyd and

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Jim had begun to radicalize and land decisively on the

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Berrigan side of the argument that lone beeping molecule

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of descent had started to flourish.

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<v Speaker 8>They were of the time. They happened to be in seminary,

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<v Speaker 8>but they were deeply.

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<v Speaker 7>Of the time, and they had this extraordinary vehicle of

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<v Speaker 7>the church to actually manifest what they were wanting.

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<v Speaker 3>To do in the world.

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<v Speaker 8>It was pretty extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul the sixth would eventually encapsulate perfectly this feeling the

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<v Speaker 1>boys were having with his famous exhortation, if you want peace,

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<v Speaker 1>work for justice.

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<v Speaker 7>I guess they really did think of themselves as real

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<v Speaker 7>change agents. And I think even before they got ordained,

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<v Speaker 7>they were already starting to understand the role that they

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<v Speaker 7>could play, and they were starting to chomp at the bit.

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<v Speaker 8>And they knew that they were.

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<v Speaker 7>Coming into their own and coming into being priests at

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<v Speaker 7>a time, a time like no other time, certainly like

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<v Speaker 7>no other time in the church. They could step in

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<v Speaker 7>in terms of their own leadership and have a phenomenal impact.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think they knew that.

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<v Speaker 1>On October third of sixty seven, Sergeant Shrever, the brother

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<v Speaker 1>in law of JFK and Bobby, went to see Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>perform with the Roman Callers on the Berkeley campus. On stage,

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick gave a speech about the word love, and the

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<v Speaker 1>next day Shriver quoted Patrick directly.

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<v Speaker 17>Of course, the trouble with the word love is that

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<v Speaker 17>people use it for all the wrong things.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're hearing is archival footage from the Sergeant Shriver

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<v Speaker 1>Peace Institute. This is Sergeant Shriver's voice speaking at Berkeley

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<v Speaker 1>after the Roman Caller's concert, quoting Patrick.

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<v Speaker 17>Pat said, the people over thirty years of age took

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<v Speaker 17>a great word love and turned it ugly. They used

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<v Speaker 17>it for dogs and toothpaste, and cigarettes and coffee and

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<v Speaker 17>tennis and cars and lipstick.

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<v Speaker 1>Kill. Love lost its meaning for Patrick, hearing his words

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 1>come out of the mouth of a Kennedy in law

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<v Speaker 1>and watching their effect on the audience must have been

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely transformational.

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<v Speaker 17>Buddy went on to say, they have yet to contaminate service.

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<v Speaker 17>It's so contradictory to what they hold to be important.

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<v Speaker 17>Service has no money in it. Service is so slavey,

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:17.680
<v Speaker 17>Service is so degrading. Service will never get you anywhere.

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 17>Can service support a family? Can it buy a car?

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<v Speaker 17>But service is the most noble of words, he said,

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<v Speaker 17>because its meaning has not been destroyed.

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<v Speaker 1>After hearing Sergeant Schreiber recite his words to a crowd

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<v Speaker 1>at Berkeley, the fuse that had been lit inside of

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick now detonated something inside of him, turning him into

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<v Speaker 1>a wild haired priest ready to take on the world.

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<v Speaker 17>It is.

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<v Speaker 9>I shall not see and I will not accept denomination

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<v Speaker 9>of my party.

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<v Speaker 1>For March thirty first, nineteen sixty eight, Johnson announced he

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<v Speaker 1>would not seek re election. Four days later, the Reverend

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Martin Luther King, Junior was assassinated in Memphis Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 9>The Reverend doctor Martin.

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<v Speaker 15>Luther King, twenty minutes ago died.

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<v Speaker 17>Martin Luther King was shot in and was killed tonight

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<v Speaker 17>and remembered.

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<v Speaker 1>Two months after that, on June fifth, nineteen sixty eight, Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd and Jim were made deacons, the last step before

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<v Speaker 1>becoming priests. Soon they would be seen as authority figures

0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 1>in a world that was coming up heart at the seams,

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<v Speaker 1>where once again a clergyman had died for his beliefs.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, Bobby Kennedy was shot dead in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>His last words were, it is everybody all right? Is

0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody all right?

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<v Speaker 17>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen sixty eight happened to death of doctor.

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<v Speaker 7>King and the assassination of doctor King was assassinated, He

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<v Speaker 7>was assassinated.

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<v Speaker 8>It was it was just yellmen. He just couldn't take

0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:22.719
<v Speaker 8>it all in heartbreaking and dark and scary, and that

0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 8>year was one thing after another.

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<v Speaker 3>Of horrifying event.

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<v Speaker 1>One night, Patrick found himself alone in the seminary garden

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<v Speaker 1>and decided to allow doubt with a capital D to

0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 1>flood his system.

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<v Speaker 8>He didn't know if he should really make the commitment.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't know if he could do it.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, just was so huge.

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<v Speaker 7>He couldn't believe he could really make this kind of

0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:02.239
<v Speaker 7>commitment to celibacy, to the life, to the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>His ordination was coming up in February, and it suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>started to feel like the edge of a terrifying cliff.

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<v Speaker 7>He was sitting in the garden there and like really

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<v Speaker 7>sort of pleading with God that he needed a sign

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<v Speaker 7>or something because he couldn't make the decision. And he said,

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<v Speaker 7>honest to God, as soon as he sort of said

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<v Speaker 7>that pleading prayer, every light in the place goes on on.

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<v Speaker 1>With such an unmistakable sign from the man upstairs. Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>could plunge headlong into a life.

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<v Speaker 8>Of the cloth and come to find out somebody had

0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:46.359
<v Speaker 8>leaned against a switch that flipped on the lights that

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:48.000
<v Speaker 8>lit the hole outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe it wasn't a sign, but he took the

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<v Speaker 1>plunge anyway.

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:56.279
<v Speaker 7>He decided to make the commitment and to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, on February twenty third, nineteen sixty nine, Patrick, Floyd,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jim were ordained into the Congregation of Saint Paul.

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<v Speaker 4>So off to New York.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to Floyd.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you signed a certain seat and you're called up.

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<v Speaker 1>All the soon to be priests lay on their stomachs

0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:25.839
<v Speaker 1>with their arms outstretched.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember being there.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's sister Joanne, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember the solemnity of it. It seemed so huge,

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<v Speaker 3>that something so big was happening.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're called one by one, and the Bishop puts

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<v Speaker 4>his hands on our heads.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the sense of the ancient Church's history, all the

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 3>blessings that could ever come to a person get ministered

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<v Speaker 3>to the one to be receiving the ordination.

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<v Speaker 4>And says certain prescribed prayers which ordains this.

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<v Speaker 1>It was snowing outside Saint Paul the Apostles Church, two

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<v Speaker 1>blocks from Columbus Circle in New York City. Inside, laying

0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:21.359
<v Speaker 1>face down on the floor, Patrick had no way of

0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:25.279
<v Speaker 1>knowing what the future held. He had no idea he

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<v Speaker 1>would be sent to the Polist Center in downtown Boston

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<v Speaker 1>with a mandate from the Order to make change, only

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<v Speaker 1>to find a building full of old priests who in

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:40.480
<v Speaker 1>fact hated change. All he knew was that the bishop

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<v Speaker 1>was about to place his hands on Patrick's head and

0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 1>turn him into a Roman Catholic priest.

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<v Speaker 3>When the hands of the Bishop are laid on Patrick,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just as if all of the history of

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<v Speaker 3>the Church and everything descends, and there is this palpable

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<v Speaker 3>feeling of presence that this is what is coming to bear,

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<v Speaker 3>that this is the line that he has entered into

0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:19.000
<v Speaker 3>this line that went all the way back to well,

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose Jesus Christ. It's very powerful and it was

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<v Speaker 3>so very serious, and he took it, absorbed it. He

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<v Speaker 3>just had that feeling like he became that witch, he

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<v Speaker 3>that which he worked for, you know, aimed for.

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<v Speaker 18>And really thought he was unworthy. And then it was

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<v Speaker 18>so empowering because then he absorbed it and became that,

0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 18>you know, and I think it just accentuated the power

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:11.240
<v Speaker 18>of who he was already, So it made him stronger

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<v Speaker 18>and deepened his courage. I was thinking of his courage

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<v Speaker 18>this week because he seemed to have so much courage,

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<v Speaker 18>just the sailing alone, just going out, depending on your

0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:31.200
<v Speaker 18>ability to capture the wind.

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<v Speaker 1>It was mastered by Ben Errens. This is Brendan Patrick Hughes.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening to Divine Intervention.