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Speaker 1: endless periods of supreme boredom punctuated by brief periods of

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Speaker 1: abject terror. Change when it comes, comes in loud, sudden bursts.

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Speaker 1: One such burst, the subject of our show, happened between

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five and nineteen seventy three to a country,

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to change, there always lurks the

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Speaker 1: revolutionary's dilemma. Do you change things incrementally from the inside

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Speaker 1: or do you agitate from outside and smash institutions? Do

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Speaker 1: you be the change, as Gandhi said, or if this

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Speaker 1: were pro wrestling, do you pull a reverse Gandhi and

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Speaker 1: force the change? This show will explore both sides of

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Speaker 1: this dilemma, two sides which faithfully came together in a

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Speaker 1: rare dis unified strength to protect Paul Kome So dig

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Speaker 1: if you will the picture. We last left Paul standing

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Speaker 1: agog in the Brigham's Diner, next to Marianne and Sarah

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Speaker 1: of the Paulist Center. They were on the verge of

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Speaker 1: hundred years. To do this, to find a Catholic church

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Speaker 1: man on the inside. These outside agitators needed to find

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Speaker 1: a Roman Catholic priest, an inside incrementalist, crazy enough to

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Speaker 1: wild haired Gonzo priest who had decided to stake his

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Speaker 1: church on a crazy bet to sabotage a war. However,

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Speaker 1: the Polis Center in downtown Boston had been just another musty,

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Speaker 2: And it was also a famously establishment, and it was

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Speaker 1: But Patrick, in the two years since his ordination and

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Speaker 2: The Catholic Church was going through a revolution and the

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Speaker 1: So who the hell was Patrick and how the hell

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Speaker 1: did he get this way? This divine intervention Chapter two,

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Speaker 1: The drunken banjo player. This cat scandalized his entire order

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Speaker 1: on a national scale and basically detonated what it means

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Speaker 1: now looking back, it's like you let a priest into

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Speaker 1: Not many priests nor former priests have a really solid

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Speaker 1: at Patrick's true motivation to become a priest beyond pleasing

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Speaker 1: We also know this was the era of the two Johns,

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Speaker 1: It's impossible to overstate the significance of one of us

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Speaker 1: the significance of that one sentence on an entire generation

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Speaker 1: a show about Catholics, before we go on, here's one

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Speaker 1: of the weirder things you need to know about them

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Speaker 1: Popes have a metric crap ton of executive power, so

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Speaker 1: naming a new one is really a gamble because you

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Speaker 1: Patrick was born, died and the cardinals of the world

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Speaker 1: to wait for news of a new pope, And after

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Speaker 3: I was there.

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Speaker 5: We ran out of it to Saint Peter's Square when

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Speaker 1: He was a total surprise. It turns out the pope

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Speaker 5: Nobody expected anything from him, and of course totally he

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Speaker 1: There were early signs for anyone paying attention that this

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Speaker 1: This guy was a strange bird compared to every other pope,

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Speaker 1: Patrick and his generation had ever beheld as their leader,

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Speaker 1: and it was becoming clear that he had big plans.

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Speaker 1: One of his first acts as pope was to deliver

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Speaker 1: an appeal for world peace.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we were used to popes going watch yourself now,

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Speaker 5: you know you sort of like that head the recruiters. Instead,

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Speaker 1: Suddenly, this pope, the Italian son of an impoverished peasant farmer,

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Speaker 1: peace began to ring like a clarion bell for a

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Speaker 6: He was an you might say, an oddity. He was different.

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Speaker 6: He was not like the other popes.

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, a few months before he

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Speaker 6: He was a rebel in many ways, and I think

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Speaker 6: the Catholic left. I know Jim carl my friend Jim Carroll,

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Speaker 6: who has written so much about the Catholic Church, looks

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Speaker 6: to John twenty third as a very special historic period

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Speaker 2: The Catholic Church was going through a revolutionary and this

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Speaker 1: Young Catholics everywhere, Young Catholics like Patrick, were enthralled by

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Speaker 7: He opened the doors. He was a modern contemporary theologian

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Speaker 7: and thinker, and he knew the church needed to get

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Speaker 1: This is Mary Anne who he last left standing next

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Speaker 7: And he changed it dramatically. And it was at the

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Speaker 3: It's been quite hairy at times. On our Thursday hikes,

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Speaker 1: On October eleventh, nineteen sixty two, only a month after

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Speaker 2: of what Pope John the twenty third saw when he

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Speaker 2: became pope in the late nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 1: See when John the twenty third was still Archbishop Angelo Roncali.

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Speaker 1: He watched in horror when in nineteen forty three Nazis

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Speaker 1: rounded up the Jews in Rome and Pope Pious the

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Speaker 1: twelfth said nothing. Roncoli meanwhile, actively resisted the Holocaust by

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Speaker 1: falsifying thousands of baptismal records for Jews making their escape.

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Speaker 1: Then after the war, in nineteen forty nine, Roncali watched

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Speaker 1: as Pious the twelfth Samaria excommunicated all Communists, demonstrating a

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Speaker 1: capacity for strong stances that had been absent during the war.

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Speaker 1: So when Roncali became John the twenty third, he was

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Speaker 1: crystal clear that it was time for a change, and

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Speaker 1: his first target was the very language of the faith itself.

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Speaker 1: The word Catholic with a lower case C means universal.

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Speaker 1: The box office draw for the Catholic Church in the

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Speaker 1: eyes of the Vatican has always been that it's one

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Speaker 1: gigantic organization. So starting around the fourth or fifth century AD,

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Speaker 1: the Church decided that all masses should be set in

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Speaker 1: Latin because it was a universal language and basically everyone

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Speaker 1: had to take it in school. In fact, the ATMs

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Speaker 1: in Vatican City still have a Latin option in their

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Speaker 1: language preferences. When Vatican two began, Latin had been the

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Speaker 1: official church language for roughly fifteen hundred years. Patrick dreaded

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Speaker 1: the Latin part of the job. You went to Mass

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Speaker 1: on Sunday and the priests droned on in a dead language,

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Speaker 1: like he was literally casting spells, and the priest faced

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Speaker 1: away from you. So you just sat there witnessing this ceremony,

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Speaker 1: having no idea what was going on. They kept a

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Speaker 1: very mysterious paul cooming.

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Speaker 12: It gave more power to the church, and it gave

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Speaker 12: more power to the priests up front. You wouldn't challenge

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Speaker 12: their words because you didn't understand their words. It was

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Speaker 12: a sacred, veiled service that went on.

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Speaker 1: In other words, celebrating Mass in Latin was the Church's

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Speaker 1: mechanism to cling to priestly power. So the first proposal

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Speaker 1: on the Vatican two docket was to put mandatory Latin

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Speaker 1: on the chopping block and allow priests to give masses

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Speaker 1: in the local language of a given church. This was

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Speaker 1: a massively volatile decision with extremely passionate opposed camps. Jim

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Speaker 1: Carroll would later note in his books the significance of

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Speaker 1: this debate. The conservatives in the Vatican knew. This vote

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Speaker 1: terrified most of the cardinals because it symbolized ceding power

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Speaker 1: to the people and away from the clergy. And as

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Speaker 1: this first dramatic ballot of this once in a century

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Speaker 1: council was about to take place, the progressives John the

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Speaker 1: twenty third among them, did not have the votes.

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Speaker 11: There are twenty six hundred attending bishops, twenty two hundred

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Speaker 11: of them have taken their places, and two grand fans

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Speaker 11: on either side of the nave.

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Speaker 1: And for the boys at Mount Paul, watching on the

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Speaker 1: philco and their common room, the fate of their church

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Speaker 1: hinged on one vote they were about to witness on

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Speaker 1: live TV. But then the fate of Latin Mass was

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Speaker 1: put on hold by major world events. Because less we

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Speaker 1: forget this was October of nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 10: Sixty two, world peace was threatened by the most critical

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Speaker 10: period in history since the end of the war.

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Speaker 1: While the bishops were having their stare down over Latin

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Speaker 1: and Rome, President Kennedy was being presented pictures of missile

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Speaker 1: installations on the island of Cuba, installations first noticed by

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Speaker 1: Jim Carroll's father, who was director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy immediately established a naval embargo surrounding Cuba, as Russian

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Speaker 1: tankers loaded with more missiles steamed across the Atlantic, setting

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Speaker 1: up a showdown that could very likely have meant the

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Speaker 1: end of the world.

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Speaker 13: Arms blockade of Cuba, and later.

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Speaker 1: On October twenty second, JFK addressed a stunned nation, including Patrick,

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Speaker 1: Floyd and Jim crowded once again around the film coat.

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Speaker 13: This government, as promised, has maintained the closest surveillance of

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Speaker 13: the Soviet military build up on the island of Cuba.

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Speaker 13: The purpose of these bases can be none other than

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Speaker 13: to provide a nuclear strike capability against the Western Hemisphere.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy and Khrushcheff were locked in a deadly game of chicken.

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Speaker 1: The citizens of Earth held their collective breath and prayed

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Speaker 1: for a dais ex Machina at Mount paul I pictured

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Speaker 1: the autumn mornings getting crisper as the boys stood in

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Speaker 1: their cassocks at Pond's edge. Watching the leaves fall, the

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Speaker 1: odd quiet in the woods as they stared at the

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Speaker 1: windows of distant living rooms, illuminated with the glow of

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Speaker 1: this unfolding horror. On the nightly news, there were B

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Speaker 1: fifty two's in the air carrying nuclear weapons, one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand troops stationed in Florida ready to invade Cuba. For

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Speaker 1: thirteen days, life on Earth hung by its fingernails. But

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Speaker 1: then incredible thing happened. Pope John the twenty third had

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Speaker 1: secret contact with both Washington and Moscow. On October twenty fifth,

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Speaker 1: Pope John, following a plan he had hatched with Kennedy

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Speaker 1: and Khruschef, made an appeal for peace on Vatican radio.

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Speaker 1: Nusuprian TuS le gouverna girl. We beg all rulers not

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Speaker 1: to be deaf to the cry of.

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Speaker 5: Humanity zecut lucri a guassi bey bee.

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Speaker 1: Kruzchef made sure that the Pope's appeal ran in the

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Speaker 1: state newspaper above the fold in Moscow. Three days later,

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Speaker 1: he issued a public statement that the Soviet missiles would

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Speaker 1: be dismantled and removed from Cuba. Kennedy, the first Catholic

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Speaker 1: president who was already sensitive about looking like he was

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Speaker 1: taking orders from the Pope, got to look tough. Khrushcheff

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Speaker 1: got to look human, and a priest had saved the world.

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Speaker 1: Emboldened by John the twenty Third's courage, the progressive cardinals

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Speaker 1: back of the Vatican rallied a coalition and voted to

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Speaker 1: remove Latin masses in a landslide decision. Vatican two would

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Speaker 1: now proceed with its promise of monumental church reforms. The

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Speaker 1: traditions of the Catholic Church had always been its strength,

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Speaker 1: but suddenly sweeping changes had begun to take hold. The

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Speaker 1: next Easter, John the twenty third issued a papal encyclical,

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Speaker 1: which is an open letter to the bishops of the world,

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Speaker 1: called patchem in Terras or Peace on Earth. In it,

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Speaker 1: he indicated that the burgeoning women's movement was a positive

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Speaker 1: sign of the times, and he said, most preciently, at

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Speaker 1: the dawn of the Vietnam conflict, it's hardly possible to

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Speaker 1: imagine in the atomic era that war could be used

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Speaker 1: for justice. And for Patrick, Floyd and Jim, seeing what

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Speaker 1: Pope John did, how he was in his vocation to

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Speaker 1: participate in the world. Let the boys know that the

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Speaker 1: demands of this job were enormous, Far beyond learning Latin

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Speaker 1: and being an impressive dinner guest. Suddenly being Catholic felt very,

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Speaker 1: very significant, and the promise of their priesthoods, the very

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Speaker 1: scope of their vocations, felt infinite. But these events also

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Speaker 1: set a conflict in motion for them that would come

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Speaker 1: to define their priesthoods. There is what tradition wants, and

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Speaker 1: there is what the times demand. For the next year,

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Speaker 1: as a novice, Patrick roamed the campus of Mount Paul

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Speaker 1: Novitiate in his black cassock with a white linen collar

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Speaker 1: that went all the way around his neck. In a breeze,

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Speaker 1: a group of his fellow novitiates looked like a murder

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Speaker 1: of crows or a chorus of black swinging handbells. It

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Speaker 1: was now clear that he had entered the Seminary in

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Speaker 1: no ordinary times. The walls of the seminary had, for

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Speaker 1: centuries shut the world out so young men could attune

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Speaker 1: themselves to the faint frequency that contained the presence of

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Speaker 1: God and with time make it louder. But as the

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Speaker 1: boys made their move to the Seminary proper in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d c. And began their lives of relative monotony and

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Speaker 1: rigorous study. It became clear that the world outside those

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Speaker 1: walls was starting to change and unless they watched it carefully,

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Speaker 1: would leave them behind. So Patrick got an.

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Speaker 7: Idea seminary said, this is not going to work out.

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Speaker 3: To just stay here, that's not going to work.

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Speaker 4: He started up a singing group called the Roman Callers

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Speaker 4: or something. I was never involved in that because I

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Speaker 4: couldn't carry a note on a will. Barily, you know, we.

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Speaker 14: Can take time, I think to introduce fifth member of

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Speaker 14: our group. Pat is from Quincy, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: He's a deacon.

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Speaker 14: Maybe you don't know what a deacon is. He's almost

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Speaker 14: a priest. I'd like to do a Simon and Garfunkle

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Speaker 14: special fil called Missus Robinson.

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Speaker 7: Because Pauls were all about communication and evangelism and all

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Speaker 7: of that, he convinced them that he should start a

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Speaker 7: singing group and that they could go to college campuses

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Speaker 7: across the country and recruit basically or evangelize or spread

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Speaker 7: the gospel.

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Speaker 1: They called themselves the Roman callersa m I n apostrophe.

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Speaker 4: They went all over hec's have agar with that, various

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Speaker 4: campuses and so forth, singing away. Whereas the rest of

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Speaker 4: us were droning away in the seminary.

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Speaker 7: You know, he was a tenor and Patrick had a

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Speaker 7: beautiful voice, a very really clear voice, and they traveled

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Speaker 7: all over the country and they did it for years.

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Speaker 3: They did it for years.

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Speaker 15: This really Roman Folars and that hasn't been our name

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Speaker 15: all the time. And we had a contest in the

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Speaker 15: seminary where we come up with some names that we

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Speaker 15: thought were kind of meaningful, that it kind of said

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Speaker 15: what we were all about. But second prize was the

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Speaker 15: Groove in Gurus, and the name that I really wanted

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Speaker 15: was called the Expectant Fathers.

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Speaker 16: That's the wop their singing group and this group of

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Speaker 16: nuns who had a singing group sang at Carnegie Hall,

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Speaker 16: and Patrick had a solo where he sings, I.

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Speaker 7: Believe in One God or something like that, and you

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Speaker 7: can hear him and it was his proudest moment that

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Speaker 7: he's sang at Carnegie Hall.

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Speaker 12: I believe in One God.

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Speaker 4: You know, he wouldn't have been viewed as, oh, there's

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Speaker 4: somebody who is a rebel or wants to get away

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Speaker 4: or anything like that, but he would position himself to

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Speaker 4: be able to do that in a way that I

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Speaker 4: don't think was very common.

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Speaker 1: Patrick had found a furtive way to keep his thumb

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Speaker 1: on the pulse while his seminary superiors contended with keeping

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Speaker 1: the tumult of the nineteen sixties away from the door.

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Speaker 1: But they would, of course fail That Philco Television in

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Speaker 1: the common room quickly became a portal for the boys,

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Speaker 1: through which they watched in awe as a relentless decade

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Speaker 1: of incredible world events transpired outside their seminary walls to

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Speaker 1: starting on June third, nineteen sixty three, when Pope John

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Speaker 1: the twenty third, the peasant Pope who had dared to

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Speaker 1: reboot a musty hierarchy, died of a cancer he'd kept secret. Then,

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Speaker 1: the following Tuesday in Sagone, as the Vatican deliberated a

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Speaker 1: successor to Pope John, a Buddhist monk named Tik Kwang

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Speaker 1: Douk sat down in the middle of an intersection. Two

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Speaker 1: young fellow monks poured gasoline and jet fuel over the

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Speaker 1: elderly man, and then he dropped a match into his lap.

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Speaker 1: Vietnamese President No Dindem, a Catholic mystic installed by the CIA,

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Speaker 1: had been mercilessly cracking down on the Buddhists. Tik Kwangduk

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Speaker 1: had immolated himself in protest of this violent oppression. A

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Speaker 1: photograph of the immolation ran on the front page of

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Speaker 1: newspapers around the world. When President Kennedy saw the picture

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Speaker 1: in the Oval Office, he yelled Jesus Christ and immediately

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Speaker 1: ordered a review of his Vietnam policy. For Patrick, seeing

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Speaker 1: that photo, as a young seminarian, I can only imagine

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Speaker 1: his first thought might have been, this man was a

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Speaker 1: member of the clergy just like me, and in this job,

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Speaker 1: the world may drive me to lengths I'm not yet

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Speaker 1: prepared for. Ten days after that, on June twenty first,

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, the boys were once again herded into

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Speaker 1: the common room because Paul the sixth would now be

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Speaker 1: their pope. From the scuttle butt on the seminary faculty,

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Speaker 1: the boys gathered this new pope was a conservative and

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Speaker 1: would immediately begin rolling back all the exciting progress the

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Speaker 1: institution had taken.

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Speaker 6: One they did until they every heel and mounting should.

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Speaker 1: Be made a lot of the reply. Two months later,

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Speaker 1: on August twenty eighth, nineteen sixty three, the young Seminarians

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Speaker 1: gathered once again to watch the Reverend doctor Martin Luther

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Speaker 1: King give his eye have a dream speech. It was

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Speaker 1: there Jim would later write that he learned there were

654
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: two types of preachers, those who tell you what you

655
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: already know, and those who tell you things you'd never

656
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: heard before. Just three months after that, on November twenty second,

657
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, President John F. Kennan was assassinated in Dallas.

658
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 13: Kennedy died at one pm Central Standard time.

659
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: Patrick rode to his sister Joanne, he sure represented a

660
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: real guy in my mind, kind of like a symbol

661
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: of American youth. His death simply gagged me, and I'm

662
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: going to miss him in a personal sort of way.

663
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. Three question marks. With both

664
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: John's gone. Whatever birth of inspiration that led the boys

665
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: into the seminary was now harder to find. Life was

666
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: getting very serious and feeling very grown up. Summer nineteen

667
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: sixty four, in the Gulf of Tonkin, off the coast

668
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: of Vietnam, some North Vietnamese patrol boats played basically what

669
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: amounts it to a game of chicken with a US destroyer,

670
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: and this was all the Hawks in the Johnson administration

671
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: needed to pounce on the opportunity for a winnable symbolic

672
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: fight against communism.

673
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 9: Viewed hostile actions have today required me to order the

674
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 9: military forces of the United States to take action and.

675
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: Reply, leading to the official opening of the Vietnam conflict, at.

676
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: Which point Patrick and I are still in the seminary,

677
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 2: wet behind the ears. Jim naive about many things, including

678
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 2: the war in Vietnam not resisting at all.

679
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: Yet Throughout the fall of nineteen sixty four, tensions grew

680
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: in Indo China. People who voted for Johnson thought he

681
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: could get the Vietnam situation under control.

682
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: The election in nineteen sixty four, Lyndon Johnson, the peace candidate,

683
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: had just been elected. We thought that the resolution had

684
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: just taken place. But in February of nineteen sixty five, Johnson,

685
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: newly inaugurated for his own term as president, launched the

686
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: war in Vietnam effect with a campaign called Operation Rolling Thunder.

687
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: A bombing campaign of North Vietnam that was intended to

688
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: last eight weeks, but that went on for three years.

689
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Many many people would later describe Rolling Thunder as the

690
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: germ of their personal radicalization. Then one week into the

691
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: bombing campaign, on March ninth, nineteen sixty five, Johnson authorized napalm,

692
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: a combination of gasoline and melted styrofoam, which created a sticky,

693
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: flammable jelly that burst from the bombs and tortured anyone

694
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: it landed on. Napalm burns hotter and longer than gasoline alone,

695
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: and is particularly effective as what the military calls an

696
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: anti personnel weapon. In their common room, watching the first

697
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: televised war, napalm was probably a big problem for Patrick,

698
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: Floyd and Jim. The American bishops, led by card Spellman

699
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: of New York, the de facto most powerful Catholic authority

700
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: in the United States, had already come out in favor

701
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: of the war, but with napalm, it quickly became clear

702
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: that over in Vietnam, because of Rolling Thunder, this shit

703
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: was sticking to children and burning them alive. And for

704
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: the boys, it was probably really hard not to think

705
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: maybe perhaps the Church was wrong on this one, and

706
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: in Patrick's brain, the first molecule of descent beat to life.

707
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: In November of nineteen sixty five, Americans began setting themselves

708
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: on fire.

709
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: Roger Lapourte Jim, who was a young Catholic worker in

710
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: New York. He set himself aflame and he said to

711
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: a bystander, as he was about to be immolated, Catholic worker,

712
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: I did this as a religious act, and then he died.

713
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: Roger Laporte was twenty two years old when he brought

714
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: a can of gasoline to the United Nations Building, sat

715
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: in the lotus position just like Tik Kwong Duk, and

716
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: set himself on fire. The uproar was immediate.

717
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 6: Now those of us who were involved in the anti

718
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 6: Wah movement, Howard Zinn became conscious of these Americans who

719
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 6: immolated themselves. They would sacrished their lives in order to

720
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 6: bring to the attention of the American people that we

721
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 6: were burning people in Vietnam. You know, while some people

722
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 6: might have said, oh, well, this was a feutile gesture,

723
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 6: or this was silly or wrong, or criticism made of

724
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 6: people who did this, and yet they had a profound

725
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 6: effect on many people. They had a profound effect well

726
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 6: on Daniel Berrigan.

727
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: Dan Berrigan was a forty four year old Jesuit priest

728
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: in New York known at a time for his poetry.

729
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: Berregan was invited to officiate Roger Laport's memorial service, and

730
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: doing so caused an uproar. Here he is speaking about

731
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: it on democracy now.

732
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 15: And in the course of it, I cast doubt upon

733
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 15: the judgment of the cardinal that there had been suicide.

734
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: Roger Laporte's self immolation would thrust Dan Berigan into the

735
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: center of the anti war movement. Patrick was in the

736
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: seminary starting to hear about this rebel priest thumbing his

737
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: nose at the most powerful cardinal in the United States.

738
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 15: And there was panic in the authorities of the Archdiocese

739
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 15: of New York.

740
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: And in my order, it must have been like watching

741
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: a fearless classmate talk back to a terrifying Vice Principal.

742
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: Daniel Bergan refused to condemn it, and he prayed at

743
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: Roger Laporte's funeral service, which was enough to get Cardinal

744
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: Spelman enraged at him, and Cardinal Spelman pressured the Jesuits

745
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: to send Berggin into exile. That made Berrigan famous.

746
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: With Berrigan and other young priests on one side and

747
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: Cardinal Spelman and the rest of the pro war American

748
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: bishops on the other, Patrick saw the church splitting in

749
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: half over this war.

750
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 6: Their actions influenced people to think about the war and

751
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 6: then to join the anti war movement.

752
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: One thing was clear. All over the world people were burning.

753
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 2: By November of that year, an anti war movement is beginning,

754
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: just in its first phase.

755
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: With their ordination around the corner, the boys felt themselves

756
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: on a collision course with the world they no longer understood.

757
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: By October of nineteen sixty seven, as the Church was

758
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: tearing itself in half over the war, Patrick, Floyd and

759
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: Jim had begun to radicalize and land decisively on the

760
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: Daniel Berrigan side of the argument that lone beeping molecule

761
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: of descent had started to flourish.

762
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 8: They were of the time. They happened to be in seminary,

763
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 8: but they were deeply.

764
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 7: Of the time, and they had this extraordinary vehicle of

765
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 7: the church to actually manifest what they were wanting.

766
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: To do in the world.

767
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 8: It was pretty extraordinary.

768
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: Paul the sixth would eventually encapsulate perfectly this feeling the

769
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: boys were having with his famous exhortation, if you want peace,

770
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: work for justice.

771
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 7: I guess they really did think of themselves as real

772
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 7: change agents. And I think even before they got ordained,

773
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 7: they were already starting to understand the role that they

774
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 7: could play, and they were starting to chomp at the bit.

775
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 8: And they knew that they were.

776
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 7: Coming into their own and coming into being priests at

777
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 7: a time, a time like no other time, certainly like

778
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 7: no other time in the church. They could step in

779
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 7: in terms of their own leadership and have a phenomenal impact.

780
00:49:58,880 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 8: And I think they knew that.

781
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: On October third of sixty seven, Sergeant Shrever, the brother

782
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: in law of JFK and Bobby, went to see Patrick

783
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: perform with the Roman Callers on the Berkeley campus. On stage,

784
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: Patrick gave a speech about the word love, and the

785
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: next day Shriver quoted Patrick directly.

786
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 17: Of course, the trouble with the word love is that

787
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 17: people use it for all the wrong things.

788
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: What you're hearing is archival footage from the Sergeant Shriver

789
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: Peace Institute. This is Sergeant Shriver's voice speaking at Berkeley

790
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: after the Roman Caller's concert, quoting Patrick.

791
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 17: Pat said, the people over thirty years of age took

792
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 17: a great word love and turned it ugly. They used

793
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 17: it for dogs and toothpaste, and cigarettes and coffee and

794
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 17: tennis and cars and lipstick.

795
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: Kill. Love lost its meaning for Patrick, hearing his words

796
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: come out of the mouth of a Kennedy in law

797
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: and watching their effect on the audience must have been

798
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: absolutely transformational.

799
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 17: Buddy went on to say, they have yet to contaminate service.

800
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 17: It's so contradictory to what they hold to be important.

801
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 17: Service has no money in it. Service is so slavey,

802
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 17: Service is so degrading. Service will never get you anywhere.

803
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 17: Can service support a family? Can it buy a car?

804
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 17: But service is the most noble of words, he said,

805
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 17: because its meaning has not been destroyed.

806
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: After hearing Sergeant Schreiber recite his words to a crowd

807
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: at Berkeley, the fuse that had been lit inside of

808
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: Patrick now detonated something inside of him, turning him into

809
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: a wild haired priest ready to take on the world.

810
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 17: It is.

811
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 9: I shall not see and I will not accept denomination

812
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 9: of my party.

813
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: For March thirty first, nineteen sixty eight, Johnson announced he

814
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: would not seek re election. Four days later, the Reverend

815
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: doctor Martin Luther King, Junior was assassinated in Memphis Good Evening.

816
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 9: The Reverend doctor Martin.

817
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 15: Luther King, twenty minutes ago died.

818
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 17: Martin Luther King was shot in and was killed tonight

819
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 17: and remembered.

820
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: Two months after that, on June fifth, nineteen sixty eight, Patrick,

821
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: Floyd and Jim were made deacons, the last step before

822
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: becoming priests. Soon they would be seen as authority figures

823
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: in a world that was coming up heart at the seams,

824
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: where once again a clergyman had died for his beliefs.

825
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: That night, Bobby Kennedy was shot dead in Los Angeles.

826
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: His last words were, it is everybody all right? Is

827
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: everybody all right?

828
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 17: You know?

829
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty eight happened to death of doctor.

830
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 7: King and the assassination of doctor King was assassinated, He

831
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 7: was assassinated.

832
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 8: It was it was just yellmen. He just couldn't take

833
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 8: it all in heartbreaking and dark and scary, and that

834
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 8: year was one thing after another.

835
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: Of horrifying event.

836
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: One night, Patrick found himself alone in the seminary garden

837
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: and decided to allow doubt with a capital D to

838
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: flood his system.

839
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 8: He didn't know if he should really make the commitment.

840
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 3: He didn't know if he could do it.

841
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 8: I mean, just was so huge.

842
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 7: He couldn't believe he could really make this kind of

843
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 7: commitment to celibacy, to the life, to the whole thing.

844
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: His ordination was coming up in February, and it suddenly

845
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: started to feel like the edge of a terrifying cliff.

846
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 7: He was sitting in the garden there and like really

847
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 7: sort of pleading with God that he needed a sign

848
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 7: or something because he couldn't make the decision. And he said,

849
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 7: honest to God, as soon as he sort of said

850
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 7: that pleading prayer, every light in the place goes on on.

851
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: With such an unmistakable sign from the man upstairs. Patrick

852
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: could plunge headlong into a life.

853
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 8: Of the cloth and come to find out somebody had

854
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 8: leaned against a switch that flipped on the lights that

855
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 8: lit the hole outside.

856
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: Or maybe it wasn't a sign, but he took the

857
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: plunge anyway.

858
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 7: He decided to make the commitment and to do it.

859
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: And finally, on February twenty third, nineteen sixty nine, Patrick, Floyd,

860
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: and Jim were ordained into the Congregation of Saint Paul.

861
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 4: So off to New York.

862
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: We went to Floyd.

863
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 4: You know, you signed a certain seat and you're called up.

864
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: All the soon to be priests lay on their stomachs

865
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: with their arms outstretched.

866
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: I remember being there.

867
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: Patrick's sister Joanne, and.

868
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: I remember the solemnity of it. It seemed so huge,

869
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: that something so big was happening.

870
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 4: And we're called one by one, and the Bishop puts

871
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: his hands on our heads.

872
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: Like the sense of the ancient Church's history, all the

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Speaker 3: blessings that could ever come to a person get ministered

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Speaker 3: to the one to be receiving the ordination.

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Speaker 4: And says certain prescribed prayers which ordains this.

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Speaker 1: It was snowing outside Saint Paul the Apostles Church, two

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Speaker 1: blocks from Columbus Circle in New York City. Inside, laying

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Speaker 1: face down on the floor, Patrick had no way of

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Speaker 1: knowing what the future held. He had no idea he

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Speaker 1: would be sent to the Polist Center in downtown Boston

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Speaker 1: with a mandate from the Order to make change, only

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Speaker 1: to find a building full of old priests who in

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Speaker 1: fact hated change. All he knew was that the bishop

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Speaker 1: was about to place his hands on Patrick's head and

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Speaker 1: turn him into a Roman Catholic priest.

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Speaker 3: When the hands of the Bishop are laid on Patrick,

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Speaker 3: it was just as if all of the history of

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Speaker 3: the Church and everything descends, and there is this palpable

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Speaker 3: feeling of presence that this is what is coming to bear,

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Speaker 3: that this is the line that he has entered into

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Speaker 3: this line that went all the way back to well,

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Speaker 3: I suppose Jesus Christ. It's very powerful and it was

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Speaker 3: so very serious, and he took it, absorbed it. He

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Speaker 3: just had that feeling like he became that witch, he

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Speaker 3: that which he worked for, you know, aimed for.

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Speaker 18: And really thought he was unworthy. And then it was

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Speaker 18: so empowering because then he absorbed it and became that,

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Speaker 18: you know, and I think it just accentuated the power

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Speaker 18: of who he was already, So it made him stronger

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Speaker 18: and deepened his courage. I was thinking of his courage

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Speaker 18: this week because he seemed to have so much courage,

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Speaker 18: just the sailing alone, just going out, depending on your

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Speaker 18: ability to capture the wind.

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