WEBVTT - Ep. 201: What Exactly Is the Problem? 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is Me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.319 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.600 can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.160 the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.440 Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:37.040 where you stand with on X. All right, let's um 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.320 she probably I know Yanni's gonna want to do it 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.160 this way. Yanni's gonna want to start with introductions. He's 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.720 always worried about getting his credit. I think let's start 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.760 with Johnny. No, I've told you why I'm worried about it. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.559 I'm worried about it really because your dad gets curiously. Yeah, 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.200 he really liked He really appreciates that. That like thirty 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.400 minutes and he's like, Okay, I know who's talking. He 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:09.399 likes that. Uh So for Jana sr um uh as 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:14.040 though dealing poker Brodie Henderson, it's a little more. You 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.160 can do a little more, Meat Eater Senior editor, that's 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.240 some talking, a little more, a little little headache this 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:24.040 morning by selling his house. I mean he's a great 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.720 fishing property. Dude, Pop want to talk. Yeah, he's got 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.640 red Fox in his yard. He can hunt elk basically 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.680 in his backyard. He can walk down the hill and 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:38.399 fish giant northerns and catch crayfish and trouse. What else? 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.080 How many how many way points does the property come with? 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.960 Like in surrounding public? Don't care how much you want 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.880 to pay for the place? I guess, Oh yeah, some 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:52.840 where it is south the steamboat springs off the grid, Yes, 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:58.800 but not like that contrus Bomber off the grid. It's 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:03.640 like there's an actual neighborhood with actual houses and you know, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.720 so it's just the annoying parts of being off the grid. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.560 solar it's not bad. No, but for the people that 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.519 like want to like feel like they're living in the mountains, 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.079 but then have the you're in the mountains, yeah yeah, 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.560 I mean I got wilderness area half a mile from 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.200 my house. Yeah, but you also have like a lot 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:29.600 of the conveniences that modern day people like to have around. Yeah, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.919 what what give me your Zillo ordeal? Everybody can look 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:37.000 up your estimate. Man, I don't know if I want. Yeah, 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.560 it's for sale, all right, don't tell I don't sell 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.440 your house, just look up. Founder Rich Pounder was trying 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.239 to sell his car on this program, and I think 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.320 he might have he got a good offer. Three one 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:59.519 four four zero sho show anyway, Stagecoach Colorado zero, Sam's Quentin, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:05.120 She's gonna go by Brodie's house. You don't do it, 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:06.880 I mean, come on, because you're like you're like, look, 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.919 it's like asking somebody how many acres they have and 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.600 how many cows they got on it. I learned that 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.239 was a major faux pa the other week. But you're 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.160 the one who started this conversation. Well, I know I 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.880 don't think that people would. I haven't looked up Brody's estimate. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:23.160 That's it wants to add? Should we edit all this hour? 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:24.440 You think you want to keep it in there for 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.760 the selling? Keep it in there. I think you're you're 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.680 asking price is a little low. Oh that's a geez, Brody. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.720 That is a really phenomenal deal. I mean that's a 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:41.640 buyer that's a buyer's market right there. You really Yeah, 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.440 that's really nice. I hope you don't have a broker, 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.400 because you just basically took over the broker's job. Well 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.040 that's all right, as long as it sells, she'll still 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.800 get her commission, right, Okay, Moving along. We have the 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.240 hog Farmer Kevin Harlanders, right, Kevin from First Light, Glad 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.160 to be here. Um, what's your hog business? Call? Is 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:04.000 their name? No Nameander Hogs? No, we don't really have 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:05.920 a name. How many did you do this year? We 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.400 did four? We're going to do like thirty next year. Though, 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.120 I've been telling people you were just going incremental. Now 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.200 we're gonna go big. Yeah, we're partnering with some folks 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.880 back there. It's gonna be doing next I think so, yeah, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.520 bringing in partners. Oh yeah, we're getting serious. So then 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.160 you need a name and you need to brand its. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.960 Yeah I can, Yeah, we can do that. I guess 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.479 we should brand it. Probably. I like this kind of 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.160 this like sort of under the table friends and family. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.320 You know, we could do thirty, I think, yeah, it's 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.160 the table with selling me. It's not going to be 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.400 friends and family, you know. So it's it's sort of 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.320 like off sale, so to speak. If I was with 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.000 the U. S d A, I'd be looking up your 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.279 situation right now, man, Yeah, I probably would be too 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.520 very tasty hog. I've been really enjoying my half. Yeah, 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.280 you guys been need not a little bit. Yeah, but 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.880 it's like you gotta spread it out, man. Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.800 that's a treat, dude. It's a It's like because if 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.279 you eat a lot of like get lean gaming, you 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.320 get in one of the pork chops the first by 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.640 the first. But I was like, oh my god, is 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.599 that good? Exactly? We probably we mix it up. We 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.040 need a lot of elk at our house. Well, I've 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.440 been grinding, mind, I've been grinding my fat and whatnot 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.240 into my beer burger. That's kind of what the main 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:19.840 thing I wanted. Yeah, but then you know what, I 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.240 didn't do that. I haven't eaten any of it. I 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.760 just froze it. I froze it. Yeah, but we got 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.440 another pig. We gotta pig the fat, a little bit 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.599 of fat off a pick called beans the pig and beans. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.640 You guys got beans, beans the hog. So I did 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.520 some burger with beans the hog. And I did some 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.000 burger with um what was the name of the one 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.760 I bought from you pork you don't, you don't, you 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.880 don't name? It was pork and beans. We had two 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.440 pigs named beans. Um so thirty I think so I 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.479 got that many friends? Oh yeah, oh yeah, plenty of 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.200 people in Eastern Oregon. Do you you know what the 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.080 question I can't want to ask each I didn't know 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.000 the answer to it is um Are you you know 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:03.720 how um trigger noses has been eliminated from? I mean, 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.760 you know, for all intensive purposes has been eliminated from 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:12.840 uh closed system pork? Are you how how cocky are 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.760 you about eating harlander hogs rare? Yeah? We eat them 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.360 probably medium rare. I'm pretty confident in that. Yeah. So 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:20.839 you don't feel that they've been eating all kind of 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.359 bear meat and rats, No, because they're they're been a 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.120 control of environment still, you know, they're pastures, but that 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.200 pastures clean for sure. And then they're getting that um 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.640 grain in the form of barley. Um. So's the stuff 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:38.520 that they're eating is is uh basically pasture grays like coggs, 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.800 and and then uh a little bit of barley. And 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.040 that's the barley that comes from making beer, right, Yeah, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.600 same barley, but it's different. It's two roll barley, which 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.920 that's what they're making the beer. Um. And then there's 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.359 like different kinds of barley that's made for animal feed 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.640 and other kinds of things. To have I been lying 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:57.480 when I've been telling people that you were getting some 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.920 kind of byproduct of beer production. Yeah, that's true. I 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:06.279 wasn't lying. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's actually a nice filler. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.840 And uh, it's good grain too, but it is a 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.120 different kind of barley between beer and stuff that they're 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.120 putting back into into feed. In my first book, I 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:20.560 wrote about a guy that um an old neighbor mine 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:25.160 in Miles City, Montana that used to fat and hogs 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.320 on horse meat. Yeah, And he said that they would 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.440 take the horses into the hog pen and shoot him, 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.600 and then he would do all the skinning cuts on 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.800 the horse and tie it, said, to a post, and 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.640 pull the hide with a tractor because you could sell 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.760 the hides for three or four bucks. And then he said, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.320 a couple of days later, you need to go in 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.920 there and throw all the bones out of there, because 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.640 the hogs started to crush those bones and the gag 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.800 on the bone shards. And he said he never wanted 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.600 to send them to market with a belly fan the 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.320 belly full of horse flesh. Yeah, So he said he 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.440 would finish him on barley because he's always scared of 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:04.920 what they'd think if they opened them up and they 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.720 had meeting him and he said that their condition would 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.200 deteriorate on barley. He said their tail would lose. Some 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.800 of them had a real nice tight corkscrew, and he 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.240 said that corkscrew would start to loosen. And he said 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.360 the luster on their fur would start to fade when 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.480 you put him on barley. And that's how he knew though, 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.280 that was time to time to take him to market. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.080 And this guy too would. He was telling me they 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.360 used to raise in the thirties. They would raise turkeys 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.400 and they would send they would raise turkeys for Thanksgiving 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:38.160 and all their turkeys would go to Minneapolis, and to 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.480 keep the turkeys from rotten, they'd send him in barrels. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.319 And you didn't want to make any gutting cuts on 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.599 the turkey because you just it allows back to you 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.600 to get in there. They would before it came time 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.920 to slaughter them, they would stop feeding the turkeys for 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.480 a couple of days and just give them water because 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.679 they wanted their whole digestive system to flush. And then 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.840 you could kill him, pluck him and put him in 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.000 barrels and they wouldn't rock because no one had opened 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.480 up the gutting cavity. Yeah, he had a lot of 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.320 I told his story thousand times. But his they would 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.080 jack up a truck and use the and pull a 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.560 tire off and use it to drive a belt to cut. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.360 I'll tell you what he happened. You know about his thought. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.120 Didn't you tell it? Didn't you tell the story all 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:26.720 the time. Yeah, every week, Um cut his thumb off 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.480 and his brother flicked it into the hogpen. And yeah, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.360 so he'd come over and he'd do stuff. But you 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.720 always have to instead of pinching it between his finger 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.680 and his thumb, he'd always pinched everything between his finger 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.760 and what would be like the meat at the base, Yeah, thumb. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.479 But he could peel. He could peel sweetbreads like that. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.280 That's crazy. Yeah, pinching it like that. Man, this is 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.760 working hand. He had a wife named Agnes n Um. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.600 When he died, somehow my brother like inherited cases of 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:01.240 slim fast that were in his garage. My brothers walk 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.480 around sounds like whenever he went hunt and he just 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:10.439 fills backpack slimy. That's a good idea for next year. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:20.560 Dead man A dead man slips. They were out we 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.400 were at hunting one time and our buddy Pooter was 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.679 there and Matt was drinking all the slim fast and 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.000 pos saying, man, you're gonna be nothing but skin and 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:36.160 bones you keep living on slim fasts. Maggie, Hello, Megan's 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:43.280 got a little mechanics suit on. I agree, I commented 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.640 so cute. Thank you? Anything else that doesn't take you 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.800 away from the fact that it's a mechanics I don't 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.280 know what to say about it. I just like it. Uh. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.320 How did you find that mechanics suit? Um? From made Well? Yea, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.640 I bought it new. Yeah, it's made well and Dickies 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.960 did a collapse so that women can have good looking 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:09.920 but like also, you know, durable clothing. So yeah, like that. 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.440 It's great. Thank you. I like it to Did you 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.040 have to pay full price for it? M No, I 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.400 got it on Black Friday. I've been stocking. They had 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.960 half a brain, had half brain? Did get ahold of you, 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.480 Maggie Smith? Uh, they'd get holding and send you a 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:28.000 stack of those suits. My own team, please do made Well. Yeah, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.960 mag he's got a mechanic suit. Um, Phil, he just 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:41.640 he's you know, he's down here the switchboard. Wow, go on, Phil, Nothing. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.280 I was just I thought you're commenting on my you 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.439 were disappointed by my shirt since it's not as you know, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:54.679 Phillis looks like everybody else. No no zipping suits. Yeah, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.160 um filled the engineer. Yeah, phil is gonna start skateboard 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:02.120 this year. So that haircut, I'm gonna say, it's getting 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:07.720 a little like punk rock like that. It gets like that. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.080 Then he gets a haircut. I've got one schedule for Monday. 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.320 I want to see how far we could take that. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.439 I don't mean this to be offensive, but it kind 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:21.600 of got that. Justin Bieber Young, Justin bub this is 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.920 my hair for all of high school. Yeah, oh man, 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:31.480 you must have been real popular. What's the ladies, because 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:32.840 the intros you take us a long. I just want 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.360 to interrupt the intro to say that what we're doing 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.480 is we have four No, no, you're gonna go hardcore. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.920 I just want to tease. I want tea supposed to come. Um, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:44.880 we have four brand new, brand new, successful first time 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.360 big game hunters, so we're here to talk about that 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:52.400 set of experiences. Go ahead. I actually was just gonna say, yes, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.800 we should hurry up with the introductions, so I'll just 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.720 say good morning and pass. We have four newsy tidbits 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:04.680 to hit too. So um, Sam, Hi, I'm Sam. Give 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.720 a little more. Oh Um. I sit upstairs and production 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:12.480 in a corner. Pretty dark, but I love it up 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.839 there because people leave me alone. All right, good deal. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.080 I'm Kylie. This is Kylie's first time on the show. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.520 Sit next to Phil. Feel very feel very lucky to 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.600 be with Phil in that little corner there. Kyle, he's 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.040 one of our brand new um first time big game Hunters, 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.560 first time successful big game hunter. Yeah. And then like 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:40.040 a regular, Tracy, A regular, A regular Hunter. You've been 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.559 on the show. How many times? It's only my second 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:47.120 time on the show. Look into your mike better. Yeah. Well, 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.920 I'm glad I'm a regular, but it's only my second 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.320 time on the show. But now I guess I'm a 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.800 regular hunter too. Yep. And you've been on our You've 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.480 been on our television program. That is true. So if 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.520 you watched, if you go into our season eight on 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.440 Netflix and watch, I can't remember what it's called, Turkey, 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:06.040 Turkey trouble. The names of the shows always man and 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.880 there were a lot of troubles name. I'm never really 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.240 pleased with the names of the television programs. Great episode, 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.360 that great episode, horrible title. Uh. If you go look up, 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.880 you'll see both Maggie and Tracy, and Maggie has been 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.240 on the show this show a couple of times, dying 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.960 the television program. Okay, that's introduction. Now we got to 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:25.880 talk about a couple of things. Have you guys ever 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.960 heard My brother sent this to me this morning. If 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:36.080 you guys ever heard it's a German word file storch. That. No, 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.880 I'm not sure what I'm saying. Who here's harland or 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.160 that's not German? Oh? Yeah it is. What do you 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:46.520 think about that word? I don't know, don't don't speak German. Yeah, 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.080 but you're blowing the whole deal. What do you want 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.440 to do on pronunciation? File Storch? Yeah, I think that 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.680 p is definitely silent, right or creates the fun? Yes, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:59.920 it's not yeah file storch. Um, my dad, you know 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.880 he I taught those four too, but he never His 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.040 distaste for the Germans never waned after fighting World War Two, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.000 and um, he would when demonstrating how why he disliked 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.320 Germans so much. He learned how to say I love 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.320 you in a bunch of different languages and uh, and 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.040 he'd say it and you'd always put like a little 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.360 regional flare on all the different languages how you say 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:21.960 I love you. Then you'd get to to prove his 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.520 point about Germans, he would get to how they like 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:28.240 to say it, which is he'd be like alb, he goes, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:33.040 even I love you sounds horrible. To be fair, I 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.720 am half Polish. Yeah, he likes He thought you guys 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.880 drank too much and liked a Kodians too much. So 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.880 a file so a file stora is a thing called 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.640 the arrow stork. This is like I was throwing there 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.040 real quick. I think that the h on the end. 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:49.840 I haven't even looked at it. Him guessing there's h 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.000 on the end. I'm guessing it's gonna be a sound 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:57.040 file store. Yeah, okay, that's good because it translates to 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.280 arrow stork. And my brother sent us to me. I'm like, 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:01.840 that can't be true. But then we had a big 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.120 back and forth and he proved out the veracity of it. 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:09.200 There's a thing called an arrow stork, and it's a 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:14.160 name given. It's a name in Germany given to storks 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:20.800 that were injured by arrows in Africa. And when before 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.840 people understood migrations, there was all these theories about where 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:29.080 this species of stork went m and people had ideas 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.160 that it went and lived in the water that went 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.440 to the bottom of the ocean. Where where it went. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:37.120 But over the years, twenty five of these storks were 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:44.320 found alive carrying arrows from African hunters. Wow. And there's 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.520 a picture on Wikipedia which is doing a very aggressive 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.640 fundraiser right now p F p F E I L 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.200 S T O R c H. And you'll see a, uh, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.920 it's sitting, the specimen is sitting. It was found in 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.359 and it's mounted somewhere that got it on explay. But 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.000 it's sitting there and it's like a it's mounted, but 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.600 it's a bird carrying around this crazy arrow stuck in 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.120 his neck. And over the years twenty five of these 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.560 turned up and it started to help explain migrations. Isn't 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:20.360 it wild enough of them to have their own name? There? 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.920 It is right there? You did you to know, Oh 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:32.159 it's a Central Africa? Yeah, wow, twenty five of them 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.159 and that one you can tell the dude was the 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.880 dude was shooting at it flying overhead because the arrow 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.000 like enters, you know, kind of like enters. It's basically 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.320 enters its throat and emerges, you know what kind of 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.480 blow its chin or at the base of its head. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:54.320 But you're assuming that the taxidermists put it back together 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.720 the exact Well, no, I'm not assuming that. In fact, 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.680 you know, I don't think that that bird was standing 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.720 on the ground when I got an arrow like that. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:08.960 Oh yeah, feeding, I'm just saying that the arrow could 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.359 be upside down when it was you know, from the 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:15.880 way it was found, we don't know put it in there, 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.840 took the arrow out, forgot how it was in there, 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:24.080 and put it back in the wrong way. What year 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:29.639 do you think this happened? Okay, okay, So the bird 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.720 was found or killed somehow and it had this arrow 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.600 in it, then it had to travel and make it 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.200 to a taxidermist. Right he wasn't the guy. That happened 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:39.920 just happened. Me standing there and the thing falls out 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:41.280 of the sky and he's like, oh my god, look 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.720 at this. Right. So I'm just saying that some things 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:47.800 could have happened in travel transport where he got this thing. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.119 And they're like, yeah, we found this bird had an 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.359 arrow stuck in its neck. Can you taxidermy it for us? 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.200 So you think that the archer was in a hot 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:01.720 air balloon and shot it like the angle could you know, 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.720 could have been different. I agree with you that the 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.520 bird could have been with his neck down eating. I 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.040 mean it would have been. It'd be nice if we 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.840 could have seen all and see where all those arrows 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.560 were in those birds. Would be interesting. See when we retire, 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.399 maybe we make that. You know, Larry Todd had that 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.720 whole retirement, the thing you did up in the mountains. 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:28.159 The anthropologist. Yes, yeah, well maybe this will be like 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:32.560 when we retire, we'll pick this up. The file stork, 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:38.879 the file storre um. Another quick thing, bro, do you 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.280 go with your quick thing? Oh? I know, I'll hit 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.760 another one real quick. They just found to this is 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:50.119 some creepy This is great. In Ecuador, they unearthed two 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.680 infants that were buried more than two thousand years ago, 0:19:54.720 --> 0:20:02.160 wearing helmets made from the skulls of older children. Oh 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:04.760 and the way the bones were held together. They feeled 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:08.920 it this flesh that the skin and flesh on the 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:14.240 older children's head was still intact when they made the 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:19.240 helmets for the young kids. That's some Cormette McCarthy ship 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.480 right there. Oh, Yeah, that's so far up my alley, 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.359 I can feel it tickling my tonsils. Any conclusion to 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:31.000 why they did that, Like, no one. Nothing I read 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.199 was taking a stab at it. And like we we 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.560 always joke, like everything in anthropology, you see something weird, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.199 like most been ceremonials, but on this I would be like, 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:44.600 that has to have been some Yeah, yeah, that's very bizarre. Dude, 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:49.719 that's hardcore. Unless the kids were skateboarders. They're very near 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:55.920 a half pipe. Uh you go, Brodie, you want me 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:03.600 to talk about the Yeah, yeah, the asshole. Yes, I'm 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.919 not even called him a gentleman um but a uh 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.520 and yeah, he can't call him a hunter either, apparently 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.639 he uh he's this guy shot yeah, shot a giant 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:19.320 bear black bear in Minnesota. Uh add a garbage jump 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:24.760 on and Indian reservation that he trespassed to get into. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.399 Um and then of course went on to to brag 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.440 about his kills. A seven hundred pound bear cut its 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.440 head off, didn't take all the meat like this guy 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.080 put the paws off. Put on Instagram that I got 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.200 it done last got it done last night. Absolute giant 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:45.520 over seven hundred pounds. So he's like obviously posing himself 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:47.920 as a hunter. He wants people to think he's a hunter, 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.399 but he's got a long list I mean dudes like 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:54.679 a career poacher. Yeah, career poacher and career criminal outside 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.040 of poaching. Um, so how is he allowed to I mean, 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.080 that's that's the stird like he got in trouble. Is 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.840 a felon because he's bow hunt not at all, I 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:08.240 mean hardly but quiet. He's a felon. So one time 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:11.520 he got introlled for having a gun because he's not 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.400 supposed to have a gun. And then he gets caught 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.800 with a gun and it's his girlfriends ex boyfriend's gun. 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.360 And that's kind of the most interesting character to emerge 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:29.560 out of this article. The girlfriend's ex boyfriends. Yeah, that's like, yeah, 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.320 I'll tell about why I think he's the most interesting 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.480 character to emerge out of the article is like I 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:35.000 can see if you had a you and your girlfriend 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.720 breakup that like whatever, you left some books, some underwear? 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:44.240 How over there? You leave your six over there and 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.200 never go get it. Maybe she wouldn't let him come 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.560 get it. Maybe she's took it from him. Why was 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:53.120 it that her house? Who knows you got a thing 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.800 that the people, these characters that we're talking about, right, 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:01.320 like the circles that they run in that uh they 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:03.520 got maybe he just forgot all about his thirty at 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:14.200 six Like that could be as plausible as anything. Yeah. Yeah, 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.239 So go on about this guy, well, I mean, like 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:21.520 we said, he's just done everything wrong. And uh, the 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.919 thing that strikes me about this kind of article when 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.840 they pop up as you always see it like Hunter, 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:31.800 Like they they call the guy a hunter, and they 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.040 shouldn't be calling the guy hunter, right, It's they should 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:38.760 be calling him a criminal or a poacher. Yeah whatever. Yeah, 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:40.080 that's the thing I don't look about is be like 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.600 Hunter and be like oh, those hunters. But then you 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.480 look like who did the enforcement on the investigation and 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.480 get in trouble. He's getting in trouble, like he's in 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:52.080 violation of game laws. Yeah, a couple federal the federal charges. 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.280 I don't think we're even involved with the the actual 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.360 hunting part of it. That'll be taken care of later. Um, 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:03.200 what did he get charged with? Yeah, okay, he transported 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.320 wildlife and violation of tribal law and he trespassed on 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.800 Indian land hunt. So those are the federal charges. State 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.800 charges will come later. It's amazing the way people a 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:18.399 lot so many poachers, um can't they still have to 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.720 go on to social media. They can't help themselves. It's 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.480 like the whole thing is Yeah, I agree. I feel 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:30.640 like it's part of the intention or the motivation down 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:34.119 in Kentucky, Like why all of this right, because they 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:38.160 were talking about like rings and families of you know, poachers, 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.879 poacher gangs, and it's like so I'm thinking, like, well, 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:43.520 there must be like money involved, right, that's why you 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.760 would do all this and risk getting in trouble and 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:47.560 lose you're hunting rights because like in the end you're 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:53.400 selling a trophy head fort. No, it's pure back bragging rights. Yeah, 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.200 but you'd think words would have gotten out by now 0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:58.600 that that's how you're going to get caught, you know, 0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:07.480 like like that's just comes yeah anyway, again, the types 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.119 of people that we're talking about here, Yeah, no, I know. 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.199 But so how do you resolve that situation? Somebody who 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:15.879 has a track record like that, who continues to have 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.800 the same thing happened over and over and over again, 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:23.440 how do you resolve that? I would say, punish him harder, 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:26.000 because you know, a lot of these these people just 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:29.160 aren't getting the book thrown out right. I'd send him 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:34.240 out to Harlander Hoggs slop and slop some some hogs 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:40.679 stables for a while, work every time. Yeah, I got it. 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:46.280 I was at a game warden conference one time and 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.879 I was talking to a warden who was there to 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:54.439 present on He was there to present on a theory 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.600 he had about what he was calling like super violators 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:04.000 where he feels that scent of poaching UM is being 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.439 done by ten percent of poachers. And he had a 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.159 he had this he was presenting this kind of like 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:16.640 composite view of this composite view of UM, the most 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:21.480 rampant poachers and they're there, you know, obviously like it's 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:27.520 like white males, I can't remember the age bracket, kind 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.359 of like what their worldview is, what their political view is. 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.879 And he feels and he was talking about that there's 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:39.600 sociopathy and sociopathy and people who are like particularly sociopathic 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:43.240 UM it manifests in certain ways. And he was saying 0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:46.439 with the super poachers that they don't brag about it. 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:48.960 These are guys where you catch them and then you 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.160 go to their house and they have like a pole 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:57.200 barn that has you know, eight dear acts laying in 0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:59.359 in disarray, and it's this kind of like in the 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.800 way he described I'm just like, they're sticking it to 0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:05.119 the They're they're sticking it to the man, They're sticking 0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:08.800 it to society. These are things that people value. I 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.760 have all them. And I'm sure there's a part of 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.440 it that's especially with an instance like that where they're 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.119 doing it in a repeated manner and not getting caught. 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.960 That's got to play into the obsession in some way. Yeah, 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.880 that he was saying that. His argument was that if 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:26.400 you really to be really impactful on poaching, it would 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.199 be working hard to identify these and he talked He 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:32.480 talked about like these areas where you have the same 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.639 way you hear like people figuring out there's a serial killer, 0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.720 where you have these clusters of crimes that seems similar, 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:40.640 and then at some point someone will look and be like, 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:45.960 why are there six unsolved murders kind of around particular 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.000 train station over the course of ten years, and they're 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.399 all have a thing. And so what he was working 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.280 I was looking at these places where there is like 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.880 this area where for twenty years there's like headless deer 0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:01.840 and ditches, you know, and then and then realizing that 0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:05.000 thing starts to make sense. The heads are all cut 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:09.320 off the same way. Right, It's typically happening around whatever 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.960 circumstances and that, and like I said, he was there, 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:17.800 he was presenting this whole deals interesting, really interesting. Uh, 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:19.680 I'm gonna say. My other thing has to do with 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.760 the guy cutting his finger off and then keeping it 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.520 in the jar a room. Could I save that now? 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.280 Kind of just told it didn't. The guy rode in 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.000 and his body they're messing around the airplanes landing gear 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:38.120 and his and his finger come off. How he just 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:43.240 got caught off by the landing gear. Um, and he 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:45.440 keeps it in rum and now and then people come over, 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:47.320 they'll get the drinking and they'll like to have a 0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:52.120 little shot of rum out of that jar. Do they 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:58.960 know that they're having or? He says sometimes they're unsuspecting. Um. 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.880 Did he say which anger? Uh? No, he just says 0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.440 a finger says there's a violent mishap with airplane landing gear. 0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.160 He wanted to get it reattached. They couldn't do it. 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.959 He says. The moral of the story is, Um, if 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:18.320 you lose your finger, hang onto it. They made great 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:27.200 conversation starters. Makes a nice cocktail. Cocktail, Okay, okay, I'm 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:29.280 talking so people. A lot of times, people right in 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.080 they want hot hunting tips, the hottes hunting tips to 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.320 work here, right because you guys all got a job here, 0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:39.640 and everybody's that's what everybody comments on social media. It's 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.320 already a demand and the larger army eat our community. 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.840 You guys got your first gear, and didn't Maggie, Maggie, 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.400 you and Tracy got your first year the same night. 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:51.080 I think so, which I think is still ironic considering 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.040 we went on our first turkey hunt together and then 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.760 what day? So I want to go and order who 0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:00.200 got their dear first? Sam, did you get yours first? No? 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.920 I got my? No? Third? Yeah, because I got mine 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.600 the tuesday after they got theirs. I think that Maggie 0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:11.120 got hers earlier in the day. She did. Yeah, that's correct, 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:15.320 because we had already gotten the photo of Maggie's and 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:18.320 Steve's response was, will let me send back a picture 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:23.240 of yours? Don't want? Did not like the idea of that. 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.080 Perhaps the thought could be that we were on success. 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.520 I didn't even know Joe was doing this. Joe was 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.760 more excited about sharing the he was just sending it 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:35.480 to everybody. I talked with Joe about this last night 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:41.040 and he um, he expressed it that he was wondering, 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:45.280 what was you know, like when someone's not shooting. Yes, 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:50.360 he kept he was like he's telling the story. Was 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.040 kind of like where he was wondering, like, what's the 0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:56.479 what exactly is the problem? You want me to go 0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:00.920 into that? Yeah? I mean first retouched, we talked about 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:02.760 the turkey, but it gives people a quick crash course 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:09.040 and you're like, how you became interested in getting a deer? Um, well, 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.080 obviously not getting a turkey. And then I was on 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.000 the podcast with you guys like a recap and you're 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:19.360 kind of gave me a little bit of yeah. Um, 0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:21.800 but no, Joe approached me and asked if I had 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.320 an interests and I did have interest I mean why not? 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.280 And uh so I decided to go. I don't know, 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.720 there's not really a backstory too. Kind of talking about 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.959 Joe Frigno Joe Ferronado, do you feel that he wanted 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:35.800 to take you because he had filled his tag and 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:42.880 wasn't done hunting yet maybe No. No, did his fiance 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.040 get a deer? Yes, she had filled her So Joe 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.479 was like he just he's like, I gotta find someone. 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.400 I need a warm I need a warm body of 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:56.560 the deer tag. No, Joe was actually out there hunting too. 0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.840 We're going to stay another night, he was, yeah, yeah, 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.120 he was still honey, but we'd ended up not saying 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.200 another night. The conditions were just horrible, horrible out there. 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:07.920 Oh you know what, it's cured, Kevin. Did you did 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:11.120 your Yeah? You had a first time hunter this year? Yeah, 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.400 I did. Yep. My girlfriend Cilia killed her first buck 0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:24.280 with the bows. Yeah, first animal ever. Wow, that's pretty awesome. 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:29.560 So why isn't she here? Yeah a man, Yeah, I 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.440 don't even think about that. And that was shed brought 0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.160 her on. But yeah, she she had a great hunt too. 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:35.840 That was fun. We did that back in eastern Oregon. 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:39.440 She practiced for well over a year with a bow 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.240 an arrow, and uh got it done on the like 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.520 the final hour. Got it done on the final final hour, 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:51.360 the eleventh hour. Nice. You you kind of hunted your 0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:54.320 ass off this year, Yeah, a little bit. I took 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.000 some time, for sure. We we got actually, let's see 0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.600 we got three elk in our office. I think two 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.640 big horns. Yeah, we got two big horns dot doll 0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:05.920 sheet what else. Yeah, we had a good year in 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:07.840 the office for sure. But yeah, I got some time 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.120 out there. We just got off a white tail tour 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.520 um with a few folks, which is pretty cool. Yeah, 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.480 two dudes that work at first like drew big horn 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.240 tags sitting next to each other, no less in the 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:23.560 look at that, and they're hunting like pretty sitting next 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.720 to each other. That really puts into perspective for me. Yeah. Yeah, 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.120 we never hear the end of it. Yeah, these guys 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:30.640 haven't either, and they both filled them to which is 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:32.640 pretty The hunt that Paul and Nate both went on 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.600 was incredibly different. That's not like a gimme. It's in 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:40.080 the frank Church and it was the real deal. So yeah, 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:44.360 that's pretty exciting. And then Bridget at first like dolls. 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.160 She shot a doll sheep up in the Northwest Territories 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:51.240 and uh, we're still rolling ross Are our VP of 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.840 sales and Marketing has a elk tag still to fill 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.720 with a muzzloader. So we're going out Sunday. Yeah, Yeah, 0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:58.280 it's gonna be difficult. Though we had a lot of 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.600 snow that was as elk are still pretty high. So 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.280 you guys do any work over there? Ever, No, try 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:08.600 not to, try not to. Yeah, weeah, we had a 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:10.400 good year, so there's a lot of a lot of 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.760 success in office for sure. Did um does your girlfriend 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:15.759 like eating that deer? Yeah? Yeah, we caught it in 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.840 with the with the Harlander hog. Yeah, we actually did um. 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:20.960 A friend of ours made this stuff called land Yeager. 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:24.160 You never heard of that. It's like a pressed sausage, 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.919 but they sang land Hunter. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:32.840 it's like this old German um sort of processed sausage 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.240 that they pressed and then smoke and eat it like jerky. 0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:37.759 That's really good. And we did that with something there. Yeah. 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.440 I don't imagine you've ever heard of Yeager moister? Have 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:44.200 I've heard a bit? I'm not a fan. That means 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.880 hunt master. It does which they made it should have 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:52.560 made it taste, you know, No, like yeagers just meant 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.759 for kids to drink. But when you're drink it, you 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.400 don't feel like you're drinking the kids drink. No, it's gross. 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.360 I don't think growing up drink yeager. Oh definitely, I 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.920 have been at the Murray and placed that in Livingston 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.880 where people at like three pm, grown adults are ordering 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:10.799 yeager shot like for kids. No, absolutely not. It's like 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.080 when you want to hit it hard, feel that bird 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.839 that goes down when we want to hit it hard. 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:18.600 Like if you went to the bar and you felt 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:20.000 like you had to catch up with everybody because they 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:24.279 were already kind of wasted. Yeah, we'd order a long 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:31.640 island ice teams. Hold on a minute, I'll be more 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:39.520 fun about five seconds. Okay, Maggie said, there you were. 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.880 You were shamed turkey young. Yes, and you got to 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.160 invite from Joe Ferronado. He's been on he's has had 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.120 a little quick cameos here. Yeah, and I was excited 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:50.880 to go out with Joe and his fiance. It was 0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.560 fun to have a woman out there with me. Why why, 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.440 who cares? I don't know. Just like the conversation. She 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:58.759 made me comfortable. It was just like you guys take 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.200 about different stuff than what we talk about. Yeah, totally. 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.080 I think she wouldn't be like, so you got a 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:12.040 mechanic suit? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I think Joe kind of 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:13.879 zoned out half the time because her and I are 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:18.200 just and then he'd be like, I'm trying to sneak 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.640 up on this deer. Yeah no, but we spotted the 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.239 deer at like nine thirty in the morning, and by 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:29.520 eleven thirty he was on the ground. So in the morning, yeah, 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.440 we'll tell me. I didn't a little more. Now I 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:36.000 feel like we should teach Maggie how to um tell 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.759 a story. I'm trying to take a I mean not 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:41.520 that I like how you're doing it, but I'm trying 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.560 to think out how, like what would have that conversations 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:51.640 you got her? I was, did you got him? I did? Wait, 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.960 we're getting way, Okay, go ahead, you pursue your line 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.520 of questioning. I just want it was you know, your 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.920 first time doing that. I told Joe like from the 0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.279 very beginning, like, I think there's a lot of things 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:05.799 you can't control going into hunt. I've learned that from 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.960 the Turkey situation, but from your experience and then my 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.239 personal experience, and there's little you can control. But communication 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.000 was one thing that Joe was like, this is something 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.480 that we can't control and have dialed and that made 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.359 me feel very comfortable. We were like, I don't know, 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.919 like we talked a lot about like my feelings going 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.319 into it and like wanting to be an ethical with 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.640 how I went about things. And I don't know, it 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.960 was just very open dialogue and that made me feel 0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:33.480 very comfortable going into the situation. I think that's a 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.600 really interesting and good point. And also I think you 0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.840 guys had good dialogue at every step, every step turning 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:41.840 around and being like are you comfortable right now? Is 0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.480 this okay? Like you know? And I was like, yeah, 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:50.080 it sounds a little different than use the word communication. 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:55.279 Not necessarily now I'm using that word, but like, can 0:37:55.280 --> 0:38:01.160 you talk about your communication? Don't listen, let's say, let's 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:06.000 sell was getting myself into time, But to me that 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.120 was important. I don't know how that opened dialect. I 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:11.560 don't know. Joe. Joe wasn't like you guys are camped out, Yeah, 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.239 and when you went up to to find what were 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:17.919 you doing when you when you found the deer? What 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.600 was I doing? What do you mean? How did I 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:26.839 react when I go ahead? Like when you first spotted Yeah, 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.360 like what was going on? Like you guys just walking 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.480 and someone look at that. We were just walking And 0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:33.719 Joe has showing me how to not like when you 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.799 come up to like a little like crest in a ridge. 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:39.040 How you don't want to like silhouette yourself. And he 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.160 was like, Joe just went up a couple of notches 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:44.239 in my book. Yeah, he was demonstrating that. And as 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:45.879 he was demonstrating it, he was like, oh my god, 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:49.200 there's a big buck right there. And then it was 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:55.160 perfect and were block management National forest blm um. We 0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.000 did a little bit of block management, but then we 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:01.560 got we were in the breaks. So then him yeah, okay, 0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:03.880 so go on. Um. So then he spotted him and 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:07.839 started tracking way off, yeah, tracking him? Well, like, how 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.440 how far off? How far away yards from us? Can 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.480 you tracked him? Whiting just because you know where he is? 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.000 Why do you have to track them, like get in 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.440 a better position? I don't know. Was he following a lady? 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:20.400 He was following the lady he was with. He was 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:25.160 moving there crazy, but you weren't tracking them. The term 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:32.839 is stalking him. Okay, excuse me, I'm mostly if you. 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.520 If I learned that you guys spotted one and then 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:39.399 it got away and then you tracked it down, that's 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:42.040 interesting to me. Well, yes, so then we started a 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.600 stock We ended up spooking them somehow they took off 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.480 and just ran and then we ended up tracking them 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.200 because Joe could see him bed down, way way, way 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.839 off in the distance. That's not tracking. But then we 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:59.000 stopped him again. Okay, what is tracking? Tracking would be 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:03.399 that you are um. Tracking would be that you are 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:09.360 looking for signs on the ground with prints whatever, palmarks 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.799 in the snow. But when you see them, you're stocking. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:15.320 you wouldn't be. You could be like attracted with my eyes, 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.520 but no one would say that. Okay, well then we 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:20.680 saw him bed down and then we so he spooked 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:23.280 and went in bed down like a million miles away. 0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.040 What was your goal as far as the range you 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:29.480 wanted to get into? Um? We practiced UM at two 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:33.320 hundred yards, but I was like, if we could be closer, Yeah, 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.080 I would like to be closer. And you practice shooting 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:42.040 off of off your pack or practice sitting over your knee. Yeah, 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:43.920 you did a lot of that, Yeah, but that was 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.080 not how the shot went down ended up being prone. 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.200 So that was but you were prepared to take a 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:52.719 two yards shot off your knee probably, I mean we 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:55.480 had practiced that, but this is the second time I 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.200 had held a rifle so I was a little nervous 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.080 about that, as like we need to be closer. I 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.600 can lay down, I'd feel better about that position. Do 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:06.640 you like Joe or jan It's better. Wait, let's put 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:09.560 that on the board. You don't have to answer that. 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:16.919 Just two totally different situations. So it beds way down 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.480 and then you guys started creeping in on what we 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:21.520 saw a little forky and Joe goes, do you want 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:26.080 that little guy? And I was like no, You at 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:29.040 that point was like this is for me. This would 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:30.799 be a big deer. And I was like, well then 0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:37.440 I want Yeah. So so then what happened? You guys? 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.319 How long to take to creep in on it? Like 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.160 maybe forty minutes to creep in? And then he was 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:44.880 bedded down and he was doing one of those like 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.320 he's so tired sleeping things where he was like sleeping 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:51.480 in and he jerk away out. Yeah. It was warm 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.239 out and then it was really windy where we were, 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.759 but he's kind of in this little like, yeah, I 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.440 got out of the wind, bedded down. He was sleeping. 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.240 He was sleeping so hard. Joe was like he's huge. 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:05.279 Joe's like seven are almost six seven? Yeah? I would 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:11.080 stay around there, yeah, and he would just he was 0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.040 just like so impatient. So he's like moving around, like 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:16.360 standing up, sitting, and he's like, I just want to 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.680 get in a better spot. And the deer did not care. 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.480 It was aware of you. I don't think so, but 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:25.040 like could see us, I mean, and if he was awake, 0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:29.839 I mean I could totally have seen. Yeah, But Joe 0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.000 was just like so impatient moving around, and I was like, 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.200 You're gonna spook him or something. I was like nervous 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.040 about that. Did Joe maybe wanted to stand up? No, 0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:38.840 he was trying to get in a better position for 0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:40.880 me to see. And we kept creeping in. We got 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:45.680 into eighty four yards, so we got in really really close. Um, 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:48.879 and then I moved and the deer stood up. Joe 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:51.520 was like, you spooked him. I could do whatever I 0:42:51.560 --> 0:43:04.080 wanted to. I wouldn't say it looked like that, ye know, yeah, 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:05.919 And then he stood up and Joe was like, this 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.799 is this is it, It's gonna happen. And he stood 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.160 up and I looked at each other through the scope 0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.319 and Joe leaned in. It was like, if you're going 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:21.000 to shoot, shoot now the shooting time, Yes, so you 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:23.600 were like, actually, like you dialed up your scope and 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:26.279 then it had a little eye contact with you walk 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:30.480 through the scope. That was like a very like reckoning moment. 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:33.880 Do you purposely do that? And it just happened that 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.560 your scope landed and you're pointing out his head and 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.080 now I knew where he was when he was sleeping, 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.239 you know. So like when he stood up, I was 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:44.759 felt very prepared as opposed like turkey hunting, where it 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:46.680 was such a surprise. I felt like it was like 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.239 not like the turkey doesn't bed down and then stand up, 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.480 Like this was a very different scenario. I got to 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:57.040 get very comfortable and feel very comfortable. So yeah, it's 0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.040 nice when you get time. Yeah, we had like and 0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:00.759 I think we sat on him for like an hour 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:05.839 maybe a little longer while he was sleeping. Yes, then 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.040 what happened? Um, then we walked over. Did he just 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.800 keel over? Yeah? He went down immediately. You got a 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:13.640 good hit on him, yes, And Joe said the shot 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:18.279 could have been more perfect, So nice work. Where did 0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.160 you hit it right through the lungs? Okay? And it 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.920 didn't go anywhere? M he just went right down. He 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.040 broke his nose. Hit the grounds, heart, broke his nose 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:29.759 dead or the Dornell when you got out there? What 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:33.319 is that? Why do people say that? Why did you 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:38.239 just say it? Where did it come from? I don't know? Why? 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:44.160 Is it Dorne also dead? Well, then we're just personifying 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:48.239 door nails. That's you. I guys know what a what 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:54.439 an automotopia is? Yes? Yes, um okay. So it went 0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:58.799 down and Joe's all excited, and I was just like, 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:01.240 I don't know, was weird. It was a totally different 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.520 than my reaction to Sneaky Pete. Granted I didn't get 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:05.200 Sneaky Pete, but I thought it was going to be 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:08.400 more of that, like adrenaline release and emotion, and it 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.640 was actually more like a just a void of emotion. Really, 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.640 you didn't you didn't feel emotional. No, I didn't cry. 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.040 I just felt very like an out of body. It 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.440 almost like a little bit of experience walking up. I 0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:21.480 just didn't that's right. You said that you were like 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.840 watching yourself. Yeah, that's what it felt like. It was 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.040 just a very weird experience. I thought it was going 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:30.920 to be more rolls out of your body, yes, and 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:35.560 looked down at myself. Yeah, what did you see what 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:43.480 do you mean, dear me? Yeah? No, but walking up, 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.480 I was almost like I didn't know how to like 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:50.040 react either, but my my instinct was like, I feel 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:53.040 weird saying this, but I like petted him like a dog. Like. 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:55.720 I went like right down behind the years and pet 0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.200 him and Joe, Joe has this really awesome photo. I 0:45:58.200 --> 0:45:59.919 didn't know. He took it in my hands on my heart. 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:03.160 I'm like petting him and I thanked him and that 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:06.319 was a very powerful moment for me. I didn't end 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:09.960 up crying until I processed the meat that I was 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.600 at SESS. They did this whole like meat processing party, 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:15.120 which I was so grateful for to like at this. 0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:18.319 I didn't tell anything a big party. Well, they did 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:28.799 have a right invited. There was a lot of people there, 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:33.560 whiskey bo big party, like a good time. From the 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:39.600 pictures I saw it was a good time Instagram, you 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:41.920 know I must have been having a big party from 0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:45.040 my friends at night, must have been where I was. 0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:49.400 I didn't know a big party for all my good friends. 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:51.360 Joe and Joe and Saith told me they were going 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:53.080 to help me process my dear and I showed up. 0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:55.879 There's pizza. There was Beard, there was like three other 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:59.040 deer there. Rick Smith was there, Ye, Rick Smith was there. 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.319 It was I don't know about this. Yeah, it was good. 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:06.240 I wasn't invited though. No one told me about Sorry, Steve. 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:11.040 Yeah it was good. It wasn't my house kind of 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:17.640 so you got emotional then, yeah, like what I like, 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:22.960 bald really like we like brought the meat out. It 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.640 was all package and put it in my car. Joe 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:28.960 drove away and I just sat there and cried, Yeah, 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.279 what were you what were you feeling? Like? What was 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:35.600 what emotions were you're processing? I was finally I think 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.239 processing the emotion because that was like finally I went 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.080 full circle, right. It was like the realization of like 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:43.959 I was very grateful, like tears of someone Joe too, 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.640 like he is now meat and my f and that 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:49.920 was like the emotion of taking a life. It was 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:54.520 the actually saw him as food, which was it's you know, 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.759 I'm happy about that too. But that was the I 0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:04.600 don't know I had time up to that point. Yeah, 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:08.319 maybe and maybe these other women can share this too, 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.440 Like I was so worried going into it because of 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:13.080 the way Sneaky Pete went down about just like getting 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:14.960 a shot. I was like, I want to like do 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.000 this right. I was like kept telling Joe, I want 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:21.280 this to be the turkey that Maggie at hunted for 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:25.080 four days. Yeah, and uh, I got very close but 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:28.120 did not kid. But I was like I wanted to 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.200 be clean, quick, and safe. And I was so worried 0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:33.520 about getting those three things done that I totally forgot 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.439 about what happens afterwards, Like I didn't even like I knew, 0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:38.120 like I was gonna have to process and gut and 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.719 all this. And I was like minute though, like that 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:42.440 shot was done and he was on the ground. I 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.000 had my moment. I was like I'm so overwhelmed, Like 0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:48.080 what do I do now? And I was like so 0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:50.600 grateful for Joe being there obviously through the shot, but 0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:53.040 more so afterwards because I was like I would have 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:57.120 been just at complete loss of what to do. Yes, 0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:58.520 I did, I told you. I was like I want 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:00.439 to do all of this, like help me. I want 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:03.160 to I want to cut the butthole. I want to 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:05.960 get in there into the vitals and have the blood 0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:09.319 rush over me. Like yeah, I was very bloody. They 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:15.480 call me bloody muddy march um. Does your boyfriend like 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.239 eating the deer meat he does. He did not like 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:20.080 the heart. I told him. I told him I was 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:21.719 going to cook that and surprise him and just make 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.600 him like eat it like a random time. And that 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:29.080 bothered him. No. I mean, he's gotten shotguns, but he's 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:31.799 not gonna hunt yet, is he? Um? Is he enough 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:34.879 of a man where he doesn't feel emasculated by his uh? Oh? 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.520 I like to remind him. I'm like, I'm the provider. 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.919 You see the freezer, and he's like, yeah, right, great, 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:44.000 yeah he is. He's not all jealous to be a 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.280 passive aggressive No, No, that's not in ed Bows nature. 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:50.440 He had a great way of describing the heart. Yeah, 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:57.520 he said it was like octopus, like the spring. The 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.200 spring is just the density. He's like, it's ten. But 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:02.399 it's just weird to eat red meat when it has 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:05.319 that like denseness to it and it doesn't have the 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.520 texture what you're used to reading the grain is not Yes, 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:13.239 it's like there almost grainless. Yeah, And so I think 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:16.120 that for him was just like it's weird, you know 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:18.839 the grains like is if you look at paper through 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:23.000 a magnifying glass, where it's just like a weave yeah, 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:27.080 that's like yeah, it's like yeah, I mean I actually 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:28.439 got to eat. What was cool was like I got 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:30.719 to use the videos that I shot and edited with 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:33.719 Danielle in my heart and I was like, wow, this 0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.279 is so informative. That's great. Did you did you make 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:45.360 any realizations about your work? It was great. I was like, they, 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:49.600 so go check it out. Tell people what videos you 0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:52.080 found most useful. Um. I did how to clean a 0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:55.120 heart one on one with you and Danielle, and then 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:59.359 I made her heart bulgogi recipe fire meat and Edbo 0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:02.120 didn't like it. He loved the veggies and he was like, 0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:04.279 you know, I'd like the flavor. I just need to 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:07.200 get used to that. And it was it was the 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.920 first second thing I fed him from the deer. So 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.840 did you guys, Um, did you guys do the liver? No? 0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.480 I did not do the liver. Joe and I had 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.560 a lot of discussion about this about like when is 0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:26.480 like taking enough meat out like ethical dilemma, right, He's 0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:29.560 like when have you taken enough? And like debating that 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:31.440 and it was just weird. He was a big deer, 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:34.359 like it was a lot and we did not take 0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:37.040 the liver. It was very muddy and nasty. What did 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:39.160 you end up doing with the hide? Because you said 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:41.920 you kept that right? Yep, you packed out the hide 0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:45.120 you get turned into buck skin. Yeah, like a buckskin 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:50.200 mechanics suit. I should I should I shouldn't save up 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:52.439 a few hides. Yeah, my dad kept saying a bunch 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:54.879 of deer hides and his like business coat was made 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:57.960 off of his own deer hides. Really, but it was 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:00.080 like real seven. He's had like the lower pocket in 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.920 the big belt and that you wouldn't wear it ye. 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.680 Jana says, it's like working with a seventies superstar of 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:14.439 stairs to a nice What do you do with your hide? 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.080 I just w wanted to throw for the back of 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:18.919 the couch. You want a hair on, yeah, I wanted 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:24.080 hair on against They never work out because the hair 0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:26.239 is brittle and it comes get it made in the 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:32.400 box because out looks just doesn't. They don't take any abuse. 0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:36.000 You know, I had that bare rug on my couch. 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:40.200 You'd use like a blanket that's twenty years old. If 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.880 you had a deer hide with the hair on and 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:45.800 you look at it, funny, the hair comes out because 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:49.319 they got like a hair, not a fur. Hollow hair 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:53.480 and they people do it, they do it and like 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.879 nothing looks better for like, it's kind of like tattoos, right, 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:00.000 nothing looks better in a brand new tattooing looks more 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.919 is an old one. It's like it just doesn't work out. 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.320 It just doesn't work out. I don't have any tattoos, 0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:10.480 Steve so so that one doesn't bring um. It just 0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:12.799 doesn't work. If you get buckskin, it's like the rest 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.000 of your life. Man, you could do something with it. 0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:18.760 Whenever Jane did advise me on that you get gloves, 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.479 you can get awesome gloves made from buckskin. That would 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:25.959 be you can make some great things while calling change. Yeah, 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:29.640 don't don't get the hair on. Okay, you can die 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:34.080 the buckskin. So you could do black black gloves with 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:37.320 your dear. Cool. Okay, you make probably a couple of 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:39.479 pairs out of your dear. I'm gonna start packing mine 0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:43.920 next year, and that's gonna I'm making the business coat 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:48.080 all the time. I'm dude. You know that, dude, you 0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:51.239 might do a collar of hair. There you go. You 0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:54.560 know Tim what Tim Wells? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.600 was talking to him. He had a real nice jacket 0:53:57.640 --> 0:54:01.800 that was from his own hides. Yeah, remember that. Alright. 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:05.560 So then seconds later Tracy got a deer. Well it 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:10.759 wasn't or do we talk about that about that? The 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:16.120 deer different? You know what, We're way out of order. 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:20.400 I try to interrupt earlier, but guys sometimes difficult to 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:23.480 around here. That's a good I had thought that I'm 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:25.400 gonna leave it up to It's gonna be like chef's choice. 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:28.759 Do you want to talk about a combo of the two? 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:30.920 Combo of the two? Because I think they were both 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:35.440 very unique in different ways. Okay, go ahead, Um okay, 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:42.120 who do you like better? It is not about better, 0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:46.960 it's different. It's different that I would I would totally 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:51.600 agree that it's just different. It's different. That's I don't 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:55.919 need to make this about me. Um so wrong. Horn 0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:59.560 hunt which was very cool. That was I guess technically 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:02.600 my first big game hunt. We hunted in Wyoming the 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:09.719 end of September. Yeah. Um, interestingly enough, I felt like, 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:11.800 I mean, we had had a good amount of practice, 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:14.799 so I was starting to feel comfortable shooting, which was 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:20.640 like hugely important. Like we practiced two pretty extensive times 0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:22.640 leading up to the hunt, which kind of gave me 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:25.640 a good sense of confidence. Especially coming out of the 0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:29.160 Turkey hunt. I was a little bit um. I felt 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:34.840 a little insecure about my shooting capabilities. Um, given the 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.280 fact that I had taken that one shot that didn't 0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:41.280 work out so perfectly. Very different kinds of shooting though, Okay, 0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:44.560 that's fair, but without much experience, they didn't feel different 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:46.480 in my mind right, Like, I just felt like I 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:48.839 was still in a situation with a gun with the 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.719 intention of of taking a life, and I wanted to 0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:56.920 be able to do so effectively, lethally, smoothly and without 0:55:57.480 --> 0:56:00.360 um any sort of negative outcome, like that was the intent. 0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:02.640 So it didn't feel different, even though yes, now I 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:06.359 understand that they are different shooting um, and I feel 0:56:06.400 --> 0:56:09.840 like are The Pronghorn hunt was nice because similar it 0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.840 sounds like to Maggie, like we had time. We got 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.920 set up in a situation where we were able to 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:18.800 for like twenty or twenty five minutes stock to antelope. 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:24.120 It was a buck and a dough um pretty much. Yeah, 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:28.200 and your antelope was totally unaware of your being there, 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.680 completely unaware, completely unaware. They've betted down for a little while, 0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:33.799 and so we were able to like and this is 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.680 where I kind of resonated with your communication comment, because 0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:40.520 throughout this entire experience, I was like asking you like 0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:43.640 five million questions, Well, what happens if this happens? What 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.040 happens if this happens? Like I felt, we had a 0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:47.600 lot of time to kind of work through a lot 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:50.480 of scenarios. I tend to be a little type a 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:52.960 controlling and so I like to play out all the 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:55.359 different potential outcomes and know what I'm going to do 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.040 with every single potential outcome, and that makes me feel 0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:01.719 more empowered and comfortable. An example of what you might 0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:07.239 have asked you honest about um, like okay, Like one 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:09.760 of the challenges we had was there was a pivot. 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.080 So we were hunting in a corn field and there 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:15.040 was a pivot, and the two antelope kind of continued 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:16.880 to come in and out of the plane of pivot. 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.959 Just saw everybody listen, knows exactly what we're doing. Sure, 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:23.920 So it's um farmland, and so it's how they irrigate. 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:27.880 So it's like a big irrigation water pivot with huge tires, 0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:30.200 and so the antelope were kind of in front and 0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:32.920 back and forth around the pivot, and so I was 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:35.840 very apprehensive about getting set up at a place where 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:37.920 I felt comfortable being able to take the shot where 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.760 the tire wasn't exactly behind me. And then when they 0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:42.560 went on the other side of the pivot there were 0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:45.160 there was kind of a drop off, so then obviously 0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:47.840 the horizon was behind it. That's what you mean by 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:51.240 dropping horizon, like not taking the shot because you can't 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:55.480 see enough directly behind it. When you're flying in an 0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:57.680 airplane and you look down and you see a square 0:57:57.680 --> 0:57:59.760 of ground with a circle in the square, and the 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:04.000 of the circle touched the four flat sides of the square, 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:08.880 you're looking down at the center pivot. Okay, let's telling people, 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:14.040 oh cool around. Yeah, but I don't think that was 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:17.640 the center pivot, was it. Those are long pivots. I 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:20.160 don't think there's a lot of They'll sometimes make a 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:23.280 pivot that only cuts forty five degrees. You think those 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:29.080 are center pivots? Uh, you're saying that instead the whole 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:34.960 pivot like movies like good She's blowing me out of 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:39.720 the water on egg here, probably wheel line, right, Okay, 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:43.040 I'll back out. You don't see a lot of center 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:47.240 pivots in Montana. Possibly Wyoming since we were in Wyoming's 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:49.880 it's more of those line what do you call them lines? Well, 0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:53.520 we always called them wheel lines, but wheel lines because 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:57.360 the old versions look like wheels are lower, like a 0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:00.960 wagon wheel four feet tall. Edited out all the stuff 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:02.200 that makes me look like I don't know what I'm 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:08.040 talking about. That for me to do that, for me 0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:12.840 to make me sound good, putting me saying something from 0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:19.160 another time. And then I saw the farmer come out 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:25.360 and cut that corn. Okay, So the pivot you use 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:28.200 the word pivot, I use the word pivot. It was 0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:32.880 a pivot, but it's still called a pivot, I believe. Anyways, 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:36.320 I'm not an agriculture export by any mean. Yeah, big 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:40.240 gass tires the horizon. And so I was asking a 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:43.440 lot of questions specifically relating to that. In addition to 0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:46.040 the fact that I was comfortable enough, we were able 0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:49.000 to set up in prone position, which was my desired position. 0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:51.000 Like I really we had been on a couple of 0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:54.040 antelope the day before, but it was a seated position. 0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:57.000 I really wasn't as comfortable shooting sitting up like I 0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:58.880 still need to work out my shooting and setting up 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:02.200 UM was a major difference in my accuracy between being 1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:05.439 improne and being seated, so we were able to lie 1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:07.920 down and the other thing that was still kind of 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:10.520 a struggle, which also was a struggle a little bit 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:12.840 on my dear hunt with you, Steve is I still 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:16.800 haven't mastered being able to like quickly and efficiently get 1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:20.520 set up on my gun with like total perfect vision 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:23.760 in my scope. Same like it's like it takes me 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:26.800 a good amount of time to feel comfortable in my 1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:29.240 scope where I'm like, Okay, now I have a lay 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:31.160 of the land. Now I feel like I directly have 1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:33.560 you know, the view that I need to have, and 1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:35.600 I'm comfortable in it. I can't just like hop right 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:37.480 on and get it. Yeah, that's the thing we point 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.240 out to people ahead. No, I was gonna say that 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.200 you guys all have been I don't know, Kylie, maybe 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:46.560 not so much. I think you, Maggie and Sam and 1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:49.920 Tracy have been on very accelerated sort of hunting programs 1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:52.960 here with us. And then I've said it before you 1:00:52.960 --> 1:00:54.880 guys all got done with these successful haunts, I'm like, 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:56.760 now you got to go back and go hunt squirrels 1:00:56.800 --> 1:01:00.360 and rabbits for a couple of years, because that's where 1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:02.800 you get that practice of doing that, not shooting one 1:01:03.040 --> 1:01:07.160 anemop one deer. How to define stuff. We're are talking like, oh, 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:08.400 when you're going to hunt, man, I was like super 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:10.600 important breaking your boots or whatever, get in good shape 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:14.080 for hill climbing. But new hunters a lot of stuff 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:16.120 gives them the slip because they can't find it in 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:18.920 the scope. I can totally relate to that. I can 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:22.720 relate to them. It's I think you wind up it 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:24.480 does it? It's not true when you're when you have 1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:27.080 it resting on a backpack. But just like free handing, 1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:29.200 I think one of the things that makes it easy 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:33.760 is I'm looking at it and I bring the scope 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:37.919 to my eye down. I don't like lose I don't 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.960 really think of myself as losing sight of it. So 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:44.840 you're moving your scope instead of moving your eye. And like, 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:46.360 if I'm just like looking at something, I want to 1:01:46.400 --> 1:01:48.240 look at my skullpe I want to look at it 1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:50.560 right the day we did a quick little bit of 1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:52.040 squirrel hunting, and so you're just kind of like free 1:01:52.040 --> 1:01:54.800 handing and it's like I don't I don't put it 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:56.800 up and then look through the scupe and then go 1:01:56.920 --> 1:02:00.040 searching for the thing. It's like my eyes on it 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:01.960 and the scope just comes to it and there it is. 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:05.400 I think I'm conforming the scope to where I'm already 1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:07.640 know I'm looking. Okay, I'm not. Any good thing people 1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:10.320 do is a they know it's out there, then they 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:11.880 get where they're looking through the scope, and then they 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:15.480 start this whole search process rather than being like, I 1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:18.480 know my eye needs to be doing like this, like 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:21.360 this is where it is. Line that thing up to it. 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:24.320 But but you know that doesn't But that's not how 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:26.120 you're doing it. Like when you gotta laying on your backpack, 1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:30.360 you are your your eyes going to the scope, not 1:02:30.800 --> 1:02:33.560 the scope going to your eye. We were on a bipod, 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:38.240 which was also awesome and like super stable and really 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:40.280 clean set up. So that was like it was a 1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:44.480 strong level of the stand that clicks to here. It 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:46.680 was great. I kept it in my pocket like it 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:48.680 was easy to put on. Like that actually ended up 1:02:48.680 --> 1:02:52.360 being a huge asset for that hunt, especially since when 1:02:52.440 --> 1:02:54.000 we finally got set up, we were like on this 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:56.480 little like noll and we had like literally a clean, 1:02:56.800 --> 1:02:59.840 a clean look directly at the antelope. The other thing. 1:02:59.880 --> 1:03:01.919 I think it's interesting too. And this was different than 1:03:02.000 --> 1:03:04.960 the turkey hunt. Um, something that was always on my 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:07.520 mind was if you were in a scenario where there's 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:13.200 multiple animals, ensuring that you are finding the correct animal 1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:17.400 was something that was anxiety producing for me. A little 1:03:17.440 --> 1:03:19.120 less so on the prong horn because it was just 1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:22.280 two and it was very clear, you know who the 1:03:22.320 --> 1:03:25.080 buck was and which one was the dough less so 1:03:25.160 --> 1:03:27.400 I had more of that challenge when we went deer 1:03:27.480 --> 1:03:30.160 hunting together Steve, because there were there were a lot, 1:03:30.200 --> 1:03:32.520 there were more deer, and it was hard for me 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:36.000 to like actually find the buck in that group. Yeah, 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:39.040 that was like a should have been here yesterday, but 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:41.640 we were there yesterday. What do you mean do you 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:54.520 mean just deer running? Oh? Yeah, like just going insane 1:03:56.080 --> 1:04:00.400 on that hunt. And and and obviously Jimmy was super 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:02.280 excited about it. And Steve said to me afterwards, I 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:05.120 really wish that maybe I hadn't brought him because he 1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:08.360 shouldn't see, Honey, situations where there's this many deer and 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.320 that you don't have to work as hard as you 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:13.760 need to work. He didn't like this. On the way out, 1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:16.560 he starts like trying to hit Tracy up for a 1:04:16.640 --> 1:04:26.920 permission a youth season. That's well, that deer was down 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:29.560 to ground about five seconds he was angling in on 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:37.080 so h next youth season. It hysteric, moly, that apple 1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:43.360 is not falling far h so so how far away 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:49.640 was the animal? Just I think a little shy of three? Really, wow, Tracy, seriously, 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:53.200 I wouldn't lie about it. Yeah, but you know, we 1:04:53.280 --> 1:04:58.320 had been in the field together practicing, you know, pro position. Um. 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:00.040 I think just like a couple of days earlier, we 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:01.560 had been at my house and I think the going 1:05:01.640 --> 1:05:06.720 on my house is that like to twenty and we 1:05:06.840 --> 1:05:11.040 had done when we were all doing some practicing together. Um, 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:13.560 I had shot one time at three hundred and hit 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:16.800 the gong. So I felt like I had clearly had 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:18.800 the ability to do it. And the fact that we 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:20.840 had been set up for like what was it, probably 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:23.640 thirty minutes or so. I felt comfortable. I was able 1:05:23.680 --> 1:05:25.400 to take a lot of deep breaths, I was able 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:29.840 to relax into the you double along to him. Yeah, 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.560 it wasn't bad. It was bad. I mean he didn't 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:35.040 even make it to the other side of the time. 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:41.000 I was like, no, no, like you'd seen, you'd almost 1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:44.320 like not just only visualized, but actually been through physically, 1:05:44.360 --> 1:05:48.040 like like the scope itself. Right, we had zero and 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:49.880 you had hit the gong with the first hash mark 1:05:49.960 --> 1:05:52.280 at my house first try a couple of days earlier, 1:05:52.480 --> 1:05:54.600 and then using the next hash mark down, which we 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:57.320 knew was three hundred. It's like, there's really no difference. 1:05:57.560 --> 1:06:00.439 You're just gonna use that second hash mark down dead 1:06:00.480 --> 1:06:03.840 center and you felt comfortable. No, my surprise wasn't that 1:06:03.880 --> 1:06:06.880 you shouldn't have. It's just like, having seen the spot, 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:10.720 I didn't realize it was that far away. Oh, I say, right, 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:13.840 not shocked that Tracy was able to do that, not 1:06:13.880 --> 1:06:18.760 at all. And also you're you're not impulsive, the opposite 1:06:18.800 --> 1:06:21.560 of impulsive when it comes to shooting. I don't mean, 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:23.520 I'm not saying in life, I don't know, but when 1:06:23.520 --> 1:06:26.160 it comes to shooting, you're not like that kind of 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:30.400 like just let's get the lead flying And no that's 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:33.640 not really No, I'm not comfortable with that. And I 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:38.400 even have experience with you that my um my pace 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:47.360 at times can create some frustration on your like for example, 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:52.640 when I was um when we were hunting deer together 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:57.080 I'm set up. I didn't feel like perfectly comfortable in 1:06:57.120 --> 1:06:59.800 that situation because I was sitting up. I was trying 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:02.920 to get in a place mood. Okay, yeah, set the 1:07:02.920 --> 1:07:09.520 mood laid out. Tracy has a like a little horse property, 1:07:10.440 --> 1:07:14.040 has some horses and then has some friendly relations with 1:07:14.040 --> 1:07:16.960 her neighbors and it's a little bit of a patchwork 1:07:17.040 --> 1:07:21.400 of landownership. And we just left her house and went 1:07:21.400 --> 1:07:24.760 on a little stroll in the neighbor's place, and it 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:28.720 was like unbelievable. Yeah, it was like the night. Well 1:07:28.760 --> 1:07:35.520 it was the date um Saturday, novemb just like the night. 1:07:36.240 --> 1:07:38.440 But I don't think it was just the night though, Steve. 1:07:38.480 --> 1:07:41.000 I mean I had been sending you pictures like leading 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:43.680 up to it, because that one piece of property like 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:47.320 obviously doesn't get really any pressure, and the deer are 1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:50.920 there in high volumes all the time, but it's not 1:07:51.680 --> 1:07:54.520 there's that and it wasn't just but it was the behavior. 1:07:56.440 --> 1:07:59.440 There was a lot of them, but there's a lot 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:02.280 of them. It was the behavior is those books were 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:05.920 just yeah, like you think they were leaving, but then 1:08:05.960 --> 1:08:07.800 you realized they're not. They're just like going over to 1:08:08.520 --> 1:08:11.600 like check something and coming back and singing and like, 1:08:11.640 --> 1:08:15.920 here's what I don't you know about? Yeah, just like 1:08:16.320 --> 1:08:19.960 and no sort of concerted movement in any direction and 1:08:20.160 --> 1:08:23.559 just like zig zag and crossing and tongues hanging out. Yeah, 1:08:23.600 --> 1:08:25.840 it's just like we just kind of waded into it, 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:27.360 and all of a sudden, I was like, you can't. 1:08:27.760 --> 1:08:31.599 I still don't know how many little little box like thinkers, 1:08:31.640 --> 1:08:34.439 but just bunches of them. Yeah, yeah, there were a 1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:37.880 lot of them. Couldn't keep them straight totally because the 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:40.160 first kind of deer that we tried to get set 1:08:40.240 --> 1:08:42.599 up on, we then spooked a little bit, and then 1:08:42.640 --> 1:08:45.320 we moved in a little bit, immediately found another book. 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:47.240 Had to move in a little bit more to kind 1:08:47.240 --> 1:08:48.800 of get some grass out of the way to be 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:51.120 able to like actually sit and have a clear shot. 1:08:51.280 --> 1:08:53.679 And I got all three of my kids true, which 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:56.680 added incremental pressure because from the moment they showed up, 1:08:56.880 --> 1:08:59.960 Jimmy was like, you're gonna break You're gonna break our record. Right, 1:09:00.000 --> 1:09:01.880 You're gonna brek our record of how quickly we shoot 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:07.120 a deer. Right, I am the wrong girl. There's a 1:09:07.240 --> 1:09:11.280 record in the Ronella household. He and I last year 1:09:11.640 --> 1:09:14.040 this didn't happen. It was this year. So last year 1:09:14.680 --> 1:09:22.160 around Thanksgiving, UM, like yeah, so we're hunting white tails 1:09:22.439 --> 1:09:25.679 and we went out and we're hunting on an open 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:29.679 access area like a black management area. And we went 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:31.840 and there's a fence, there's like a safety zone and 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:33.679 there's public hunting on the other side of the fence. 1:09:34.120 --> 1:09:37.559 And we basically got to the fence and sat down 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:43.080 or like back to the fence and had hot chocolate 1:09:43.080 --> 1:09:45.000 with us and everything. It's two in the afternoon and 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:48.680 I like rattle, like a twenty second rattle session and 1:09:48.720 --> 1:09:50.320 I know, sooner than putting him down. And he's like, 1:09:50.360 --> 1:09:54.559 here's the buck, and I'm and I keep always laugh ABox. 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:56.120 I was kind of like thinking, like, shut up, kid, 1:09:56.120 --> 1:10:01.240 I'm trying to hunt. You know enough, here's a book 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:03.479 running at us. You know. We hadn't even done, Like 1:10:03.600 --> 1:10:06.640 I said, we talked about the hot chocolate yet. I 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:08.680 mean it was over and we were done hunting in 1:10:08.720 --> 1:10:11.840 three minutes. So that was in his mind that that's 1:10:11.840 --> 1:10:16.920 how you do a deer hunt, so high standards, high expectations. 1:10:16.920 --> 1:10:19.920 I was like, let's change your perspective. That's not going 1:10:19.960 --> 1:10:23.040 to happen. But not only do I have obviously the 1:10:23.080 --> 1:10:27.160 pressure of you know, Steve, because there is pressure. When 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:31.160 I was Steve, I was held back. I was back 1:10:31.160 --> 1:10:33.519 with my daughter, my little boy. Okay, you were up 1:10:33.520 --> 1:10:35.600 with my older boy. I understand that, but I'm just 1:10:35.600 --> 1:10:42.800 saying that he was. He was impatient, absolutely, but like 1:10:42.840 --> 1:10:47.680 you're like, okay, I want to like succeed. There's high expectations, 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:50.840 like I'm still very new and novice at this. And 1:10:50.840 --> 1:10:53.479 then you add that all three kids are like come on, 1:10:53.600 --> 1:10:57.760 get it, like that was like quadruple. But you were 1:10:57.800 --> 1:10:59.960 you were hunting with the flip flop flusher. Thank God 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:03.000 for the flop flusher. Once again, this is um the 1:11:03.040 --> 1:11:06.680 second time the flip flop flusher has come through for me. UM. 1:11:06.720 --> 1:11:10.160 And he was real relaxed and and was not putting 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:12.600 pressure on and was helping me get set up and 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:16.280 get comfortable and not taking the shot. Um if I 1:11:16.320 --> 1:11:20.400 wasn't comfortable, But so I took my first shot. At 1:11:20.400 --> 1:11:23.120 one point I didn't have to crawl forward. Oh my gosh, 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:27.280 my kids like a crawl forward because I'm talking to 1:11:27.920 --> 1:11:34.280 what's the problem. He didn't say it like that story. Yes, 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:38.240 So it's like I'm like on my daughter's like what 1:11:38.360 --> 1:11:44.920 is she doing? Was just insane six year old like 1:11:46.720 --> 1:11:49.559 so and literally I'm like adjusting my gun and then 1:11:49.600 --> 1:11:52.519 I hear what's the problem. And I'm like in my 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:55.479 right ear, like behind, what's the problem? Was taking so long? 1:11:55.880 --> 1:11:58.200 I literally looked back. I'm like, I'm getting comfortable and 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:02.080 set up. That's what's taking and you're inter go back, 1:12:02.520 --> 1:12:08.599 go back to your seat. But and then my first shot, 1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:13.840 I just still have such that moment leading up to 1:12:13.880 --> 1:12:19.120 pulling the trigger is such a overwhelmingly emotional feeling leading 1:12:19.240 --> 1:12:23.320 up to It's like the anticipation. It's like, Okay, he's 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:26.439 clear in my in my scope, this is this is 1:12:26.439 --> 1:12:29.600 the right time to take the shot. But the anticipation 1:12:29.680 --> 1:12:31.600 of my mind going, what's going to happen? Is it 1:12:31.640 --> 1:12:33.479 going to be a good enough shot? What's the feeling 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:36.880 going to feel? Like the like angst of like not 1:12:37.040 --> 1:12:40.559 knowing is still something that like really like take takes 1:12:40.640 --> 1:12:46.400 over for me. My brother talks about that, um he 1:12:47.200 --> 1:12:53.799 thinks that that feeling, that question is what throws him 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:58.800 when he throws an archery shot. Oh, intersting, It's like 1:12:59.800 --> 1:13:04.519 the wanting to know what will happen? Yea and the 1:13:04.720 --> 1:13:09.640 question about what will happen is is what that's what 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:11.800 gets in his head and messes up his system. I 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:18.880 can I there's no negative. You'll suffare right exactly exactly 1:13:20.040 --> 1:13:21.639 like I don't want a negative to happen. I don't 1:13:21.640 --> 1:13:23.320 want a negative to happen. I don't want a negative 1:13:23.360 --> 1:13:27.559 to happen. Yes, negative As a result, I think of 1:13:27.600 --> 1:13:30.559 like thinking that your entire body must like tense up 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:32.840 a little bit, because obviously there's such a connection between 1:13:32.880 --> 1:13:35.240 mind and physical body that I feel like when you're 1:13:35.240 --> 1:13:37.000 tense like that and you take your shot, I feel 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:39.880 like those were the moments practicing where I'd like throw 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:41.840 to the right or something because I would feel like 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:44.559 worked up about like what was going to happen and 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:45.960 was I going to make a good shot, And then 1:13:45.960 --> 1:13:47.800 you'd end up throwing it a little bit. Don't you 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:50.599 think that speaks to like the confidence that you're feeling 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:52.800 in that moment and like should you not take that 1:13:52.840 --> 1:13:56.599 shot there? Because like I like, there's definitely those times 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:58.640 where it's like I set up for a shot and 1:13:58.720 --> 1:14:01.760 I thought that then when I actually killed my dear, 1:14:02.520 --> 1:14:04.960 I did not have any of those feelings, Like none 1:14:04.960 --> 1:14:07.200 of that went through my brain. It seems like the 1:14:07.240 --> 1:14:08.880 best shooters are the people that go from A to 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:12.000 B to C without getting too far ahead of the line. 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:15.000 You know. They're like compartmentalizing. I do this, I do this, 1:14:15.080 --> 1:14:18.080 and when you throw in D in front of B. Yeah, 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:20.599 you know what I'm saying. Yes, that's a very good 1:14:20.600 --> 1:14:22.800 way of thinking about it. I try to come up 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:28.360 with for archery. I try to come up with ah 1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:31.639 mantra is not the right word. It's like a series 1:14:31.680 --> 1:14:34.960 of steps, sort of like yeah at that point, yeah, 1:14:35.080 --> 1:14:37.280 and I still and and Mark Kenyon talks a little 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:39.560 bit about this too, like he's got a little thingy repeats, 1:14:40.200 --> 1:14:42.920 but then you just forget to repeat it. Yeah. Well 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:46.559 then you just in front of you and everything goes black. 1:14:46.680 --> 1:14:51.760 Yeah oh yeah, here's the part right anchor here. As 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:53.640 it's coming, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm gonna do my 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.280 little deal. Yeah, I'm gonna do that deal like nice 1:14:56.320 --> 1:14:58.720 and slow. And then all of a sudden you put 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:01.120 your ball bag and just like don't do the D. No. 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:03.920 But there are shooters that can do the deal, and 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:08.919 they're the ones that kill giants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd 1:15:08.960 --> 1:15:10.960 like to get better at that because that that I 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:14.320 feel like, in of itself is like a reason why 1:15:14.439 --> 1:15:17.160 I still feel like nervous and a little bit intimidated. 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:21.799 So you touch one off and what happens? It freaking 1:15:21.840 --> 1:15:25.000 didn't go anywhere like my first shot. I was like, 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:27.719 you know, after you take your shot, you're like, what happened? 1:15:27.800 --> 1:15:36.760 What happened? What's like? So that's like you didn't touch 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:44.479 anything that's deadly shit, I don't know what happened. And 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:48.680 I was like, oh no, because I was like he 1:15:48.920 --> 1:15:51.479 wasn't that far off? How far was he? I can't 1:15:51.479 --> 1:15:57.120 remember it or something. Yeah, it's not something. I didn't 1:15:57.160 --> 1:16:02.800 feel uncomfortable distance not. I think it was like that 1:16:02.840 --> 1:16:06.000 shot was very close after you had crawled up, and 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:11.839 I was like, you can say that. I was starting 1:16:11.840 --> 1:16:13.680 to get a little dark. I was like starting to 1:16:13.720 --> 1:16:16.519 play through too much in my crazy head. You know. 1:16:16.760 --> 1:16:20.160 I thought maybe something had happened and someone's wrong with you. 1:16:20.240 --> 1:16:24.760 Were you rattled afterwards after that one shot? So I 1:16:24.800 --> 1:16:27.439 wasn't rattled, but I was like, Okay, something is a 1:16:27.439 --> 1:16:30.120 little amiss here. I need to like re center and 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:34.360 regroup and like get my stuff together before taking this 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:36.960 next year because I didn't move. The deer did not 1:16:37.240 --> 1:16:40.280 move like he like looked up. He was like, no, 1:16:40.680 --> 1:16:44.879 I said, they were just so I was like, okay, 1:16:44.960 --> 1:16:47.840 well now I have the same situation. Let me re 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:51.599 calibrate everything and get organized and try again. Yeah, I've 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:53.759 had it where you missed and then on that second 1:16:53.760 --> 1:16:56.200 shot you're like, okay, now I know what I need 1:16:56.200 --> 1:16:59.120 to do. Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting point totally like 1:16:59.200 --> 1:17:01.960 you kind of get focus. The client said this I'll 1:17:02.000 --> 1:17:04.679 never forget because he I think, had like two years 1:17:04.680 --> 1:17:07.400 in a row, killed on a second shot after within 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:10.200 the first one, and when he would retell the story, 1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:12.080 he don't. It would like to remind everybody at the 1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:16.479 table that you know, like any hunter, good average hunter 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:18.360 can kill on the first shot, but it really takes 1:17:18.400 --> 1:17:23.120 a great hunter compose yourself after a miss and then 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:30.960 make a great second shot. I don't know. But then 1:17:31.720 --> 1:17:34.080 so my second shot I hit him and he went 1:17:34.240 --> 1:17:37.040 right down. The other element that I find I really 1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:39.400 struggle with two and this happened with my antelope. Punt 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:43.320 is I have not mastered like staying in my scope 1:17:43.400 --> 1:17:46.160 after the shot to be able to keep a close 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:49.679 look at what actually has happened. Like my antelope unt 1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:52.839 I saw, I couldn't tell if it was the bucker 1:17:52.960 --> 1:17:54.720 the dough that was still in my scope and I 1:17:54.760 --> 1:17:56.760 had to look up and it was the honest who 1:17:56.800 --> 1:18:00.720 was like, great shot, He's down. And same with the deer. 1:18:00.720 --> 1:18:03.040 I'm like, where where is he? What happened? Like? I 1:18:03.040 --> 1:18:05.559 feel like I have not like masterds staying in my 1:18:05.600 --> 1:18:08.800 scope and being able to fully evaluate kind of the 1:18:11.360 --> 1:18:16.840 on those light recoil rifles, Um, you have six five 1:18:16.920 --> 1:18:21.240 creed more On those light leak recoil rifles. Uh, they 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:24.080 tend to kind of settle right back in. The reason 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:26.280 I depending on your body posture, they might jump right 1:18:26.360 --> 1:18:28.680 or left, but if you're like square to them, they 1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:31.400 tend to settle back in. But so few people I 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:34.760 don't do it. I I have followed through because I 1:18:35.200 --> 1:18:37.439 just know I could like shoot fairly accurately, but I 1:18:37.760 --> 1:18:39.120 lift my head up to see what's going on because 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:41.000 I want to see what's going on. It's kind of human, 1:18:42.400 --> 1:18:46.000 but like like really like technical shooters stay in it right, 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:48.679 and they like they like it. Like like real technical 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:52.360 shooters sort of a mark of of their shooting skill 1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:55.320 and process and positioning is that that thing settles right 1:18:55.360 --> 1:18:57.760 back where it was like that you should be like 1:18:58.200 --> 1:19:00.679 the recoil wayam it drops back down and you're looking 1:19:00.720 --> 1:19:03.679 at it totally Like I would love to be able 1:19:03.720 --> 1:19:05.439 to find tune that because I feel like if I 1:19:05.479 --> 1:19:08.080 were ever in a situation which I feel like is 1:19:08.120 --> 1:19:12.320 a common situation where you're not able to get a 1:19:12.360 --> 1:19:16.280 shot that is you know, clean and lethal, or you 1:19:16.320 --> 1:19:19.200 know that that that the animal drops to be able 1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:21.240 to be in a situation where you're calm and organized 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:23.160 and collected and exactly where the animal is be able 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:26.000 to take a second shot, like that's something that you know, 1:19:26.040 --> 1:19:27.920 I've thought a lot about and I'm not sure I 1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:32.280 would be capable of shooting magnum rifles off the backpacks 1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:36.920 and you know, bushes and cactuses and whatnot. It just doesn't. 1:19:37.479 --> 1:19:39.640 I just lit my head up. I want to know 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:41.080 what's going on because something as you need to know 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:43.840 what's going on totally. But I had a great buddy 1:19:43.880 --> 1:19:45.960 that James and Nash told me when I had a 1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:48.040 flinch or when something like that, when I pop up, 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:50.000 he said, you gotta go shoot five hundred grounds for 1:19:50.160 --> 1:19:53.400 twenty two and just get comfortable with like a small 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:59.040 caliber rifle and then your body sort of mechanically exactly 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:01.519 interesting to go shoot ground scrolls or something, you know, 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:03.839 our targets with the twenty two and there's no impact 1:20:03.920 --> 1:20:07.320 your shoulder at all. Yeah, military shooters, man, it's all 1:20:07.360 --> 1:20:10.280 through the scroll. They just looked there. That's where they're looking, 1:20:10.280 --> 1:20:11.960 and ask where they stay looking. The other thing I 1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:15.439 learned to where I realized was, um, the at least 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:19.760 for me, the importance of having done some practice in 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:24.080 a close time period to actually going out, because I 1:20:24.080 --> 1:20:27.760 remember reflecting and thinking about the difference of like on 1:20:27.840 --> 1:20:30.040 the antelope on we had had a couple of practice days. 1:20:30.080 --> 1:20:33.479 I was like, Okay, it's it's recent. My capability within 1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:36.400 this realm is recent. And we didn't practice before we 1:20:36.439 --> 1:20:37.960 went out because it wasn't like it was that much 1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:41.000 time period. But I definitely felt like I was worried 1:20:41.040 --> 1:20:45.160 about being rusty. So like the importance of practice of 1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:48.439 like just getting that comfort level and like quieting your 1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:52.920 mind I think is hugely beneficial. So I know what happened. 1:20:52.920 --> 1:20:55.960 You shot again? Well, yeah, the second shot I hit, 1:20:56.080 --> 1:20:59.280 I hit the deer. The deer went down, and so 1:20:59.320 --> 1:21:02.000 then you came running up with the kids and said, Okay, 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:04.479 we gotta go. We've got to you know, we've got 1:21:04.479 --> 1:21:06.439 to get over there to make sure everything is okay 1:21:06.439 --> 1:21:08.200 to look at. You know, we don't know what the 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:12.599 current state of the deer is, which wasn't really something 1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:15.680 that I had been thinking about. So on that conversation 1:21:15.800 --> 1:21:18.759 that walk over I definitely started to become a little 1:21:18.760 --> 1:21:21.280 bit worked out, because I was pretty excited to get 1:21:21.320 --> 1:21:24.439 over there. Oh man, well I had seen some I 1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:29.760 had seen some reasonably we should probably get over there. 1:21:29.920 --> 1:21:31.840 You never told me that. Well, I told you get 1:21:31.880 --> 1:21:36.479 over there. What did you see? I'm curious what did 1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:38.919 you see that made you feel as though that perhaps 1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:42.960 the deer was not dead? Just the I mean, it's 1:21:42.960 --> 1:21:46.439 like very tell just very tell tale, the way like 1:21:46.520 --> 1:21:49.760 it hits and then what it does after down, like 1:21:49.840 --> 1:21:56.280 any sort of um, any sort of like actual concerted 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:59.719 effort to get something, like any kind of like logical movement, 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:03.680 like with turkeys, right, like turkeys hume they just flop, 1:22:04.560 --> 1:22:06.479 But all of a sudden you realize that the turkey 1:22:06.560 --> 1:22:11.439 is kind of like very definitely flopping away from you. 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:14.320 Like that's not good. That's like, that's not him flopping. 1:22:14.439 --> 1:22:20.439 That's things going wrong, you know, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.439 So I don't know, I just saw, like I felt something. Yeah, 1:22:23.520 --> 1:22:26.440 I mean I saw, I mean yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1:22:26.600 --> 1:22:31.160 So we scooted. It was immediately mortally wounded correct um. 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:33.679 And so that was a whole another kind of first 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:38.679 time experience, UM in the sense of we got over 1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:43.879 there and the deer was not dead, um, and that 1:22:43.880 --> 1:22:47.280 that that is something that's very hard for me. That 1:22:47.439 --> 1:22:49.000 was like I had a moment where I was like, 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:50.599 I don't want to do this, I like talk about 1:22:50.640 --> 1:22:52.719 kids immediately, sir, we're trying to make you feel better. 1:22:57.680 --> 1:23:02.320 I didn't know that. That's sweet, totally very sweet. Yeah. 1:23:06.560 --> 1:23:09.880 I don't know why they were not upset, but I 1:23:09.880 --> 1:23:12.840 remember which ones were like, oh, don't worry. Both both 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:16.360 both Rosie and Jimmy were like that. I mean, Jimmy 1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:19.960 was way more like that. That boy is so sensitive 1:23:20.080 --> 1:23:23.880 and so reflective and so endearing and like so connected. 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:26.960 He's just so sophisticated for his age, and he, like 1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:30.800 I think, could read my feelings and emotions and inevitably, 1:23:30.840 --> 1:23:33.880 like gut instinctually is like wanting to make me feel 1:23:33.920 --> 1:23:38.040 better and to like to help help help me understand 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:42.360 that this is a common situation. But um, I definitely 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:44.160 had an immediate reaction of like, no, I don't want 1:23:44.160 --> 1:23:45.560 to do it. I can't do it. I can't do it, 1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:47.559 can't do it, can't do it. I remember we had 1:23:47.600 --> 1:23:49.479 to tell you have to. We can't, we can't leave it. 1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:51.839 Do it. Yes, I was, but that was my immediate 1:23:51.840 --> 1:23:54.439 gut reaction was like I can't because you begin to 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:58.679 like humanize the situation, You begin to humanize. I don't 1:23:58.680 --> 1:24:01.880 know how to not do this. You see this magnificent 1:24:02.000 --> 1:24:06.200 animal lying there, and you immediately start thinking about is 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:08.679 this animal suffering? What have I done to this animal? 1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:11.640 Now you're up close to it. It's still alive. It 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:15.080 clearly had paralyzed it to some degree, and you make 1:24:15.120 --> 1:24:18.360 it like a human interaction experience that now you have 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:21.000 to be intimately connected with it to take its life. 1:24:21.439 --> 1:24:24.040 Something in that vein, That something within that vein was 1:24:24.160 --> 1:24:27.680 kind of the experience that I was feeling close enough 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:30.040 distance at that point where it becomes very very real, 1:24:30.320 --> 1:24:34.560 very real, and you just you put yourself in that situation, 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:36.800 and I don't know, you just think about all these 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:39.519 various aspects of it and Seth had to shoot it again. 1:24:39.840 --> 1:24:42.120 Seth had me shoot it again. So instead of Steve 1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:44.680 telling me where to shoot it, because that was not 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:49.479 um the most productive, Seth was like, just do this 1:24:49.640 --> 1:24:53.080 and I was like okay, and then um, I shot 1:24:53.160 --> 1:24:59.639 him again while he was laying laying there. It's very 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:05.599 wrong experience that part. Yeah, did your boyfriend like eating deer? Um? 1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:09.559 He freaking loves it? Are you kidding? He's He's so envious, 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:11.759 I think in so many ways. And he would probably 1:25:11.800 --> 1:25:14.479 tell you this if you asked him this question. So 1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:17.120 not only is the envious of the fact that I've 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:21.240 had this magnificent opportunity to learn from like the very 1:25:21.320 --> 1:25:24.200 best within this space, but he's envious that I've like 1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:27.120 pushed myself outside my comfort zone and that I've learned 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:29.320 a new skill set and that I've challenged myself. Like 1:25:29.400 --> 1:25:32.760 he loves those types of experiences in life, and like 1:25:32.880 --> 1:25:37.120 fundamentally he loves especially I think the hunt that we 1:25:37.200 --> 1:25:39.840 did kind of near our home, Like he loves that 1:25:39.920 --> 1:25:42.800 land so much, um, and we spend so much time 1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:46.040 there that the beauty of like being able to connect 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:49.479 with an animal that has spent time living on that 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:52.559 land and now us being fortunate enough to be able 1:25:52.600 --> 1:25:57.000 to harvest that animal and not only eating ourselves, but 1:25:57.080 --> 1:25:59.520 we shared a little bit of it with our neighbors 1:25:59.600 --> 1:26:02.840 and and just like they loved it, and and and 1:26:02.920 --> 1:26:08.040 my neighbor especially um uh. The wife is not like 1:26:08.080 --> 1:26:12.679 typically a big medicine fan historically, and she was raving 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:15.519 about how delicious it was and she made some for 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:19.439 her grandkids and just that's something that is like just 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:23.800 magnificently special. So will um do you guys, do you 1:26:23.920 --> 1:26:26.479 still call me boyfriend? You call mer fiance? I mean whatever, 1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:32.599 it's all wanted the same or you gotta ring? Yeah, 1:26:32.800 --> 1:26:39.559 I realize that. Yeah, um um, the guy you're getting 1:26:39.560 --> 1:26:43.120 married to, does he will he initiate? Will he like 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:45.160 come home let's say you're gone or whatever? Would he 1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:48.439 come home? Like th awesome out? Absolutely? So he's in there. 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:51.960 Oh yeah, totally. He said to me like today he 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:53.639 was like, I'm gonna take some meat now I think 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:54.960 I'm going to do this with it. I want to 1:26:55.000 --> 1:26:58.280 make some chili this weekend. Oh he's super into it. Yeah, 1:26:58.320 --> 1:27:00.320 he loves He'll go dig around the freezer of what 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:04.200 everything says? Well, and it was we haven't ground up though, No, 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:06.320 we need to do that because I'd love to have 1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:10.600 some ground. But he was very grateful to have the 1:27:10.600 --> 1:27:12.920 experience with you guys in terms of like being a 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:15.479 part of you know, butchering and being a part of 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:18.120 that whole process versus me coming home and telling him 1:27:18.160 --> 1:27:20.320 about it. He enjoyed that a lot. You got to 1:27:20.360 --> 1:27:23.040 grind your ground up though, Yeah, I gotta do that too. 1:27:23.479 --> 1:27:26.600 We get a grind. It's so fast, I run do 1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:29.840 we grind it. We got a grinder that does like 1:27:29.600 --> 1:27:31.559 it's like six pounds a minute, no joke, I mean 1:27:31.640 --> 1:27:36.160 just grind and then to fill the bags, I put 1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:39.320 in a sausage stuffer and we put in those polly bags. 1:27:40.160 --> 1:27:42.360 It's just like the ice of dread. We used to 1:27:42.360 --> 1:27:44.760 have a hand crank grinder and just like, you know, 1:27:44.760 --> 1:27:47.720 I was like, yeah, I got a grind to me now. 1:27:47.760 --> 1:27:50.719 I just like it takes longer to clean and grinder 1:27:50.760 --> 1:27:54.320 than the grind. Yeah, you know, clean Like the cleanup 1:27:54.439 --> 1:27:57.000 is more arduous than the actual process. It's more like 1:27:57.040 --> 1:27:58.439 it's like a thing where you got to have some 1:27:58.479 --> 1:27:59.920 stuff you have to clean up with what it feels, 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:02.280 it's very fast. We just do it, and then we 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:05.280 got the Harlander hog and Beans the pig. I still 1:28:05.320 --> 1:28:06.599 got a little bit of No, I don't have any 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:09.280 more Beans the pig. What was I don't know, Beans 1:28:09.320 --> 1:28:13.120 the pig. That's just a whole story. Wait is this 1:28:13.200 --> 1:28:18.439 the Colorado one? Yeah, I'll tell you. I had a moment. 1:28:18.960 --> 1:28:21.080 We're getting ready, were the guy that raised a pig, 1:28:21.960 --> 1:28:24.120 and um, we had some camera guys with us, and 1:28:24.120 --> 1:28:27.040 we're getting ready to kill the pig. And I said, 1:28:27.080 --> 1:28:30.800 you know, don't film killing the pig because we had 1:28:30.800 --> 1:28:33.519 to be present for the killing of a farm hog. 1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:36.960 And then I said to him, in fact, set those 1:28:37.000 --> 1:28:39.639 cameras down on the ground. Oh man, that was good 1:28:39.680 --> 1:28:43.599 that I did that. That's good. Yeah, that's good. Killing 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:48.400 fim animals it's not a easy thing. They're resilient. It's 1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:51.599 just I guess i've ever seen one. They just don't 1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:55.719 have any chances of getting away. Yeah, well he Bean's 1:28:55.720 --> 1:29:05.960 almost got away. Till um. Good nice job Tracy Samson 1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:09.880 with Ocale, it was that was our second hunt. Actually, 1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:11.840 how did it come? How did it come about? The 1:29:11.880 --> 1:29:16.040 U and Okale? It became like hunting partners. I think 1:29:16.120 --> 1:29:18.519 I just I don't even remember Honestly, I think what 1:29:18.600 --> 1:29:20.400 happened was like I approached him and it was just 1:29:20.479 --> 1:29:22.840 like I need a better understanding of like what these 1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:25.519 guys are doing. Like I'm sending these guys out, you know, 1:29:25.800 --> 1:29:29.040 you all out on these meter hunts, and I'm helping 1:29:29.080 --> 1:29:31.080 with the preparations and everything. And I was like, I 1:29:31.160 --> 1:29:33.439 just I just want to know. I want to know. 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:35.400 And also I kind of have this goal for myself 1:29:35.400 --> 1:29:37.920 like every year I want to learn something new we'll 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:41.000 be can provide another example last year was mountain biking, 1:29:42.640 --> 1:29:44.639 learning something new. Is that what you mean? Yeah? So 1:29:44.760 --> 1:29:47.559 in this year was hunting also just like shooting a 1:29:47.560 --> 1:29:49.720 gun in general. You got your eyeball on next year, 1:29:50.720 --> 1:29:53.160 what is it like what I want to do for 1:29:53.240 --> 1:29:55.080 next year? Um? I think I want to learn how 1:29:55.120 --> 1:30:00.519 to go like hot waterfowl because man duck or taste. Yeah, 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:03.840 dang right, Okay, So so he was you got okay 1:30:03.960 --> 1:30:06.160 go on, Yeah, and I wanted to learn just to 1:30:06.240 --> 1:30:10.280 understand it because of works exactly fit into your personal 1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:12.880 plan totally. Yeah. And then I also just I have 1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:15.400 this whole like life goal of just kind of like 1:30:15.439 --> 1:30:18.160 reducing my waist and ideally like providing things more for 1:30:18.240 --> 1:30:21.000 myself and like, you know, just not having to go 1:30:21.000 --> 1:30:22.920 with the grocery store as much for meat and whatever. 1:30:22.960 --> 1:30:25.000 So that's been a plan too, So it was kind 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:28.320 of a natural progression. But then it just kind of happened. 1:30:28.439 --> 1:30:31.200 Like Cal was like okay, or like Yanni showed up. 1:30:31.240 --> 1:30:33.080 He's like, here's a gun, and I was like, okay, 1:30:33.080 --> 1:30:37.240 we're going out this weekend. And I was like what, okay, fine. 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:38.800 I was like, I don't even know how to pack 1:30:38.880 --> 1:30:47.200 for this type of staff showed up here, Yes, what 1:30:47.320 --> 1:30:50.280 is this for? Like it was like the bullet comes 1:30:50.320 --> 1:30:56.639 out this end. Good look. But like I turned to Maggie. 1:30:56.680 --> 1:30:58.800 Maggie let me all of her first light gear because 1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:00.840 I was like, I don't have anything, Like I don't 1:31:00.840 --> 1:31:02.559 even know what to wear. I'm afraid I don't have 1:31:02.600 --> 1:31:06.920 the right layers. Like you were out there and borrow 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:10.519 You're out there and borrow something, borrow something blue. I 1:31:10.640 --> 1:31:12.920 was happy to share. But that was my first hunt, 1:31:12.960 --> 1:31:17.360 I should say, my first hunt with Cal. I didn't 1:31:17.400 --> 1:31:20.599 even like I just I practiced just hiking with the gun, 1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:23.280 like I didn't even bother thinking I was going to 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:24.920 shoot something. Like I went out there and I was 1:31:24.960 --> 1:31:28.000 just like, I just want to know what this is about. Um. 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:31.200 And it was great. I mean, it's a great experience 1:31:31.240 --> 1:31:33.880 because I gotta, you know, set my sights on some bull, 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:36.320 young bull elk. We just saw a ton of them 1:31:36.320 --> 1:31:39.560 out where we were and just practice sneaking. Yeah, this 1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:43.120 is like in a very limited draw unit. And Kyle's 1:31:43.120 --> 1:31:46.280 body was trying to find a smoker, which he eventually 1:31:46.360 --> 1:31:49.759 did not that trip, but at the end of November, 1:31:49.840 --> 1:31:53.439 so you want to get in one, yeah he did. Um. 1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:55.240 And you know, it was just that that first trip 1:31:55.320 --> 1:31:57.280 was just a learning experience and just trying to get 1:31:57.320 --> 1:32:01.240 out there. And I was just I don't know, I 1:32:01.280 --> 1:32:03.160 was I just I came back and I was like, Okay, 1:32:03.160 --> 1:32:04.920 when when can we go again? And you were doing 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:07.519 some dry firing. Cal was saying dry firing. Yeah, I 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:09.559 mean he had me setting up on tree limbs, He 1:32:09.600 --> 1:32:11.920 had me setting up on rocks, on backpacks, like he 1:32:12.040 --> 1:32:16.400 put me in every situation. Probably cool. Yeah, Well, I 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:18.680 mean in the second trip even more, like I was 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:20.920 literally looking at a buck that was downhill with me 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:23.880 and like my face was down in my head or 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:26.639 my head and my feet were up on the like 1:32:27.040 --> 1:32:30.880 above me. You know, like he had me everywhere. Um, 1:32:31.000 --> 1:32:33.800 but yeah, I just I loved it so much and 1:32:33.840 --> 1:32:36.680 so I was like, when can we go again? And we, um, 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:38.840 you know, made it work right before Thanksgiving because I 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:40.479 was the only other time that we could do. It 1:32:40.520 --> 1:32:42.920 almost came with me. I almost came with you guys, 1:32:42.920 --> 1:32:44.439 and I was like, I don't really think I want 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:47.599 to hunt four days in a row, but yeah, quite yet, 1:32:48.920 --> 1:32:53.559 two days is enough. Cale talked about on Cal's Weekend review. 1:32:53.680 --> 1:32:57.559 Cal touched on Hunting with You, and Cal had a 1:32:57.560 --> 1:33:01.439 comment where, um, you saw all the importance of mentoring people, 1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:06.559 and he mentioned that he doesn't like when people say like, oh, 1:33:06.600 --> 1:33:09.559 I got him his first year. Yeah, he doesn't like 1:33:09.640 --> 1:33:12.120 that I got her her first year because I think 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:16.479 I said that, Yeah he tried. He goes, you should 1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:19.759 probably be trying to create a scenario where someone feels 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:22.559 like they got it, Which is true though, because you 1:33:22.600 --> 1:33:25.360 need to take full responsibility for that thing that you 1:33:25.479 --> 1:33:28.400 just shot, So you should always like, I think that's 1:33:28.400 --> 1:33:30.439 the right the right approach, Like I want to take 1:33:30.479 --> 1:33:35.000 full responsibility for it totally. Um. Anyway, so we went 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:39.559 on that second um hunt in mid November, and we 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:43.800 went over to like, I don't know honestly where we were, 1:33:44.080 --> 1:33:46.680 but we're on some BLM and state Land. It's like, 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:48.479 but a blind bold on me and take me a 1:33:48.479 --> 1:33:58.439 middle nowhere in Canada. You're somewhere in Montana. Even if 1:33:58.439 --> 1:34:01.960 you know exactly, I like that appro yeah right, yeah, 1:34:02.000 --> 1:34:05.080 I really don't know. That's what I just kept telling people. 1:34:05.520 --> 1:34:09.280 Wanted to tell you, I couldn't, but I mean it 1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:12.040 was it was a great area. I mean that. So 1:34:12.080 --> 1:34:14.000 we like woke up whatever five in the morning. I 1:34:14.000 --> 1:34:16.400 guess what we're supposed to do. I want to go hunting. 1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:23.439 It was dark. Guy, I never actually ever saw the 1:34:23.520 --> 1:34:25.920 view from the truck because we were either waking up 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:30.000 super early or getting back super late. So gorgeous there, 1:34:30.120 --> 1:34:31.639 but I don't know what the view from the chuck 1:34:31.640 --> 1:34:34.599 looked like. Like, so that's what this place looks like. 1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:37.800 I was like, man, I bet that's pretty up there 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:41.679 from the truck. You mean at camp? Yeah, I camp, 1:34:43.000 --> 1:34:48.439 yeah every day, which was only two days, um and yeah, 1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:51.880 so he just got up. I mean it was pretty windy, 1:34:51.960 --> 1:34:53.519 but then once we got down in the valley it 1:34:53.560 --> 1:34:55.840 was fine. At one point Cal was like, hand me 1:34:55.880 --> 1:34:57.680 your gun and I was like okay, and he's and 1:34:57.720 --> 1:35:00.240 it's like dark, you know, and he's like, figure out 1:35:00.240 --> 1:35:02.439 how to get up this this cliff and I was like, 1:35:02.479 --> 1:35:04.439 what are you talking about? Like I can't even see 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:06.439 what we're looking at, and so I'm like feeling around 1:35:06.479 --> 1:35:09.200 blindly and I finally find some sort of like stick 1:35:09.240 --> 1:35:11.080 thing and I get myself up there and it's like, okay, 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:12.639 now you can get up here with both the guns. 1:35:13.360 --> 1:35:18.160 Like um, but yeah, we're just you know, hiking up 1:35:18.200 --> 1:35:23.640 and down everywhere. I don't know. And that first day, um, 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:26.360 we saw I mean we saw a ton of deer 1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:29.080 first of all, like so many deer, a lot of bucks, 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:31.759 a lot of four keys, and we're kind of watching 1:35:31.760 --> 1:35:34.320 this one specific bull but he was on private. I 1:35:34.400 --> 1:35:36.880 don't know why we just watched him for a while. 1:35:37.840 --> 1:35:40.479 I'm sorry buck, Yeah, um, I don't know why we 1:35:40.520 --> 1:35:43.600 watched him for so long. He was well yeah, so 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:46.120 Cal like left me to watch these two bucks. He 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:49.680 went to go poop and then and he was like, 1:35:50.040 --> 1:35:52.080 oh my god, we gotta go find this guy. And 1:35:52.120 --> 1:35:54.400 I was like okay, and so like we go and 1:35:54.400 --> 1:35:58.800 watch this guy. He's like telling me to like this buck, sorry, 1:35:59.160 --> 1:36:05.559 this ale Neil dear and so we're looking at him, 1:36:05.600 --> 1:36:09.080 and the worst part that was Cal's calls like, Okay, 1:36:09.200 --> 1:36:11.280 now you gotta go down there and you gotta find 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:13.760 a better position to go watch him. So like I 1:36:13.800 --> 1:36:15.519 go and do this, and then he follows me, like, 1:36:15.600 --> 1:36:17.280 you know, ten minutes later, he's like, you did that 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:21.120 all wrong. I'm like, yeah, I know, like I am 1:36:21.240 --> 1:36:24.000 horrible at sneaking. I don't understand it. It's not my blood. 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:25.720 I just like I'm just kind of like this is 1:36:25.720 --> 1:36:27.759 really like I feel like this is like role playing 1:36:27.840 --> 1:36:31.840 right now and just like not good at it. Um 1:36:31.880 --> 1:36:33.920 But you know, eventually, I mean we end up calling 1:36:33.920 --> 1:36:35.920 that guy dick head because he just did not get 1:36:35.920 --> 1:36:38.599 off private land. He was like obsessed with this one 1:36:38.680 --> 1:36:41.080 lady who was just doing whatever she felt like doing. 1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:43.719 I don't know, she had her own, you know, game plan, 1:36:44.400 --> 1:36:48.080 and so she was not putting out she did not 1:36:48.720 --> 1:36:51.720 and um so Cal kind of like wandered off for 1:36:51.760 --> 1:37:00.400 a while, and problem I think he was fine. I 1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:02.880 don't know, very regular out there. Did you guys have 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:04.880 taco bell like we did the night before we went 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:07.400 out and was driving and pulling over and throwing up 1:37:09.760 --> 1:37:18.959 did yeah, yeah, the guy would be last. I honestly 1:37:19.000 --> 1:37:21.599 don't even remember what we ate. But he was fine. 1:37:21.640 --> 1:37:24.640 He's just going off doing little errands looking around. He 1:37:24.720 --> 1:37:28.120 was very healthy, very regular. Anyways. Yeah, and then he 1:37:28.479 --> 1:37:30.960 came back and was like, oh, let's go this way. 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:32.920 I don't know why I'm whispering, Let's go this way. 1:37:33.560 --> 1:37:36.440 There's a bunch of like you're back in the moment. Yeah, 1:37:37.439 --> 1:37:40.040 deer out in this one. I don't know, some other 1:37:40.120 --> 1:37:43.479 area behind us. And so we like left our bags 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:46.120 and every like we literally left everything. Never leave your bag. 1:37:46.280 --> 1:37:49.280 Never dropped the pack, no apocalypse now, never leave the boat. 1:37:49.720 --> 1:37:54.479 You've been just you can lame this on cal Okay, never. 1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:56.800 I'm just telling you, I don't care what he does. 1:37:57.680 --> 1:38:03.600 Never leave your bag. Okay, moving on the rationale for 1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:10.160 that one thing. The moment I left my bag and 1:38:10.200 --> 1:38:14.520 I didn't have everything that, yeah, they're like, oh, in fact, 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:17.640 moved again. Yeah, totally. And then you don't get a 1:38:17.640 --> 1:38:20.040 good hit on it. And then a lady you're like, oh, 1:38:20.080 --> 1:38:21.840 here comes a little rain squad. I wish I had 1:38:21.840 --> 1:38:24.559 my rain jack. Or it's like two in the morning 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:29.280 and you finally find it. That's totally accurate, and it 1:38:29.360 --> 1:38:33.000 was like I think it was some bipod with me. 1:38:33.160 --> 1:38:34.880 So it was just like once, but it was kind 1:38:34.880 --> 1:38:36.280 of like I said, it was kind of fun though, 1:38:36.320 --> 1:38:38.640 because we went to this one in area. There's like 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:41.599 tons of juniper around and we were like in the 1:38:41.640 --> 1:38:45.200 trees and we were sneaking up on um just like 1:38:45.240 --> 1:38:47.080 I said, tons of deer, tons of does and a 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:49.479 few four keys and so we're looking at them through 1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:52.000 the trees and he's like, okay, like I want you 1:38:52.040 --> 1:38:55.280 to look at that for ky and you know, see 1:38:55.280 --> 1:38:57.400 if you can get a good position. And so we 1:38:57.479 --> 1:39:01.320 practice a lot of different positions like prone on a tree, 1:39:01.360 --> 1:39:05.800 limb again on some juniper, which is all amazing. And 1:39:06.000 --> 1:39:09.480 I just never felt comfortable in any of the positions 1:39:09.560 --> 1:39:12.599 at all. And Um he was just like, yeah, that's good, 1:39:12.680 --> 1:39:14.960 just like you like are just like kind of learning 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:19.120 and knowing that this isn't the right time or moment whatever. 1:39:19.320 --> 1:39:23.559 He didn't say what's the problem name, No, he didn't. 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:26.800 He was very patient. Was there ever any impatience? Um, 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:31.960 maybe on my end, but not really on his. I 1:39:32.080 --> 1:39:35.840 know for a fact that Joe Frigno, Joe Ferronado had 1:39:36.040 --> 1:39:40.599 feelings of impatience, lots of them. That was a squirrelingwithstanding 1:39:41.800 --> 1:39:45.519 and didn't communicate. He communicated them to me, but he 1:39:45.640 --> 1:39:50.240 also last night he communicated them to me too, immediately after, 1:39:52.600 --> 1:39:57.479 but he didn't say, what's the problem. He didn't I think, 1:39:57.479 --> 1:40:08.439 I say, what exactly is the problem? We know the problem? 1:40:10.080 --> 1:40:16.280 What exactly? So he had you like, so, let me 1:40:16.280 --> 1:40:19.519 get this straight. You see a forky and you guys 1:40:19.560 --> 1:40:22.840 are trophy hunting, so you're just practiced, you're driving trophy hunting. 1:40:22.840 --> 1:40:25.920 We're just hunting at this point because I don't know so, 1:40:26.960 --> 1:40:29.760 but why were you not the forky you were looking at? You? 1:40:29.800 --> 1:40:32.160 Were you had intent to kill the forky? Yeah? Okay, 1:40:32.200 --> 1:40:34.840 I'm sorry. Yeah, Yeah, it's just I just didn't feel 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:37.280 comfortable and like he was moving a lot. He was 1:40:37.360 --> 1:40:39.840 following another lady and they were going everywhere, and I 1:40:40.360 --> 1:40:42.519 just I just so the intent was to get him, yes, 1:40:42.720 --> 1:40:44.120 but you couldn't get it you could get it done. 1:40:44.160 --> 1:40:46.120 Didn't feel as our bear hunter friend said, you could 1:40:46.120 --> 1:40:48.439 not get it done, could not get it done. And 1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:50.760 that was kind of the end of that day. So 1:40:50.800 --> 1:40:54.839 then come the night, were you disappointed? Were you like, oh, bummer, 1:40:55.360 --> 1:40:57.799 you know, The only reason why I felt a little 1:40:57.840 --> 1:41:01.040 disappointed is because I wanted Hole to go hunting the 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:04.320 next day and the next because the first day he 1:41:04.360 --> 1:41:07.680 brought his gun, I think he had was like on 1:41:07.720 --> 1:41:11.679 a trip right before that. Oh yeah, another like BLM 1:41:11.760 --> 1:41:14.599 trip that he took, and he misfired a couple of times. 1:41:14.680 --> 1:41:16.760 So he was like wanting to figure out what was 1:41:16.800 --> 1:41:20.360 going on? What do you mean he misfired? He missed? 1:41:20.720 --> 1:41:24.320 He oh sorry, yeah, sorry, not mispired? Um or is 1:41:24.360 --> 1:41:27.479 that what it is? Like he shot at whatever deer 1:41:28.160 --> 1:41:32.799 and he missed like twice at the same cow. He's 1:41:32.800 --> 1:41:37.479 the oh not this trip? No, Yeah, So I wanted 1:41:37.640 --> 1:41:39.840 I was disappointed because I was like, I wanted him 1:41:39.880 --> 1:41:42.800 to get that figured out. And I mean, clearly that's 1:41:42.840 --> 1:41:44.960 not his worry about is like mine. I'm like, man, 1:41:45.000 --> 1:41:48.720 I don't want you to wait for me anyways. Um 1:41:48.800 --> 1:41:53.000 So yeah, next day, same old thing basically, and just 1:41:53.080 --> 1:41:55.880 kind of got up to a point and um as 1:41:55.920 --> 1:41:59.120 the sun rose were glassing and saw a bunch of 1:41:59.160 --> 1:42:02.120 deer again. Funding all this are you checking something off? 1:42:02.160 --> 1:42:04.920 You'll checklist? Hate it all? Know? I had an amazing time, 1:42:05.800 --> 1:42:09.320 like like the minute by minute of it. Yes, Oh, 1:42:09.360 --> 1:42:12.160 my gosh, and I really like, I love watching the animals, 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:15.720 learning about the behavior I didn't understand before going out there, 1:42:15.760 --> 1:42:18.320 Like when you're hunting bucks, you're hunting does and you're 1:42:18.320 --> 1:42:21.840 watching for their reactions and like what they're looking for, 1:42:21.880 --> 1:42:24.240 and I just I learned so much about that and 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:27.200 that was my favorite part, was like not looking for 1:42:27.240 --> 1:42:29.000 the buck, it was looking for the does. Yeah. I 1:42:29.040 --> 1:42:31.559 think one of the funniest things is when you're hunting 1:42:31.640 --> 1:42:37.920 and there's good running activity and you see dose staring 1:42:39.040 --> 1:42:43.840 in an almost sort of like agitated way, and you're like, God, 1:42:43.880 --> 1:42:47.080 do I want to know what they're staring at? Totally 1:42:47.160 --> 1:42:49.800 that's how I felt. And it seemed like tents up 1:42:49.800 --> 1:42:52.920 and they're looking. You're like what what? That was the 1:42:52.960 --> 1:42:55.280 coolest thing. He was like, cal, we're looking at some 1:42:55.720 --> 1:42:58.519 I don't know, some does out in this little opening 1:42:58.600 --> 1:43:00.960 amongst the trees. And he was like, they're looking into 1:43:00.960 --> 1:43:02.599 those trees and I was like what, And he brings 1:43:02.600 --> 1:43:05.800 out what are those rack things called dry pod? No, no, 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:16.240 my kids. I offered to go find it for you, um, 1:43:16.360 --> 1:43:18.720 but he brought that out and then, like I don't know, 1:43:18.800 --> 1:43:20.680 minutes later, a buck comes out of the trees, and 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:24.000 I's like, that is the coolest thing. Have a rattle 1:43:24.080 --> 1:43:28.400 like the little rattle pack green thing. Yeah, rack, dude, 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:31.120 you can't. I tried. My kid lost mine. I couldn't 1:43:31.120 --> 1:43:36.080 find the sons of bitches anywhere anywhere on Amazon. There 1:43:36.080 --> 1:43:38.559 are other places besides. I just ran out of steam. 1:43:38.840 --> 1:43:42.519 But he's killing me. Man, when snow melts, you're going 1:43:42.560 --> 1:43:44.559 to find my stuff. I offered to go find it 1:43:44.640 --> 1:43:50.800 before and you said no. The rattle bag. I think 1:43:50.800 --> 1:43:55.479 it's is it, dude? Things loud inhale. I need to 1:43:55.520 --> 1:43:58.599 find that. I don't know what's killing men. I bought 1:43:58.640 --> 1:44:03.960 some other stupid rack. It's like, anyways, go on. Okay, 1:44:04.040 --> 1:44:05.760 so he's trying to he's going to rattle the buck. 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:08.679 You're trying to get to take a look. There wasn't effective. Yeah, 1:44:08.680 --> 1:44:15.400 I was effective. He came out and where what's that website? 1:44:15.920 --> 1:44:22.200 Sent to me? This Google? Yeah? I was that founded 1:44:22.240 --> 1:44:28.680 on the Google. Um. Yeah, and I don't know. I'll say, 1:44:28.720 --> 1:44:30.599 is about this day because it could go on forever? 1:44:30.720 --> 1:44:34.679 Is that I probably had about two or three shots 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:37.559 before I got my buck that I should have taken 1:44:37.560 --> 1:44:40.880 the shot. I think at least definitely too, but and 1:44:40.920 --> 1:44:44.840 one of them I impatience from kel no impatience. So 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:46.840 he's just like whatever, what does that it get away? 1:44:47.240 --> 1:44:52.960 What happened was like one of them, Um, I don't know. 1:44:53.040 --> 1:44:55.000 It was really cool. I gotta kind of set up 1:44:55.040 --> 1:44:58.040 on this dough that was standing stick on this mountain side, 1:44:58.800 --> 1:45:01.640 and that was great. She was staying there for like 1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:04.240 ten minutes and I was laying there prone and I 1:45:04.320 --> 1:45:06.320 was like, okay, I could have shot the dickens out 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:09.280 of her. Yeah, I totally could have. Um. I was like, how, 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:12.960 like tell me where I need to set my gun, 1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:16.599 like my sights, and like once he we did that, 1:45:16.680 --> 1:45:19.280 I was like, okay, I feel comfortable now. I feel 1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:23.280 like I can I can do this like whole shooting thing. Um. 1:45:23.360 --> 1:45:25.320 And then the buck came out and he was moving 1:45:25.400 --> 1:45:27.960 and I didn't feel comfortable. But then right behind us 1:45:28.000 --> 1:45:29.600 was another buck that came out, so it's like we 1:45:29.640 --> 1:45:33.479 whipped around, turned around. I got ready to shoot that one, 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:38.160 and I, um, you know how it's like safety and 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:41.799 then there was that middle thing and then it's fire safety. 1:45:42.000 --> 1:45:44.240 So I thought I had put it all the way 1:45:44.320 --> 1:45:45.559 up to fire and I only got it up to 1:45:45.600 --> 1:45:47.479 that middle port because I went to go shoot and 1:45:48.080 --> 1:45:51.519 nothing happened. I couldn't and I was like, there's piece 1:45:51.560 --> 1:45:57.200 of sh what the and um, yeah, that one I 1:45:57.280 --> 1:45:59.080 definitely could have gotten. And that would have been a 1:45:59.080 --> 1:46:02.640 great one because it was about ten am. Shut up 1:46:03.160 --> 1:46:04.920 at ten am, and it would have been nice if 1:46:04.960 --> 1:46:06.280 I had gotten that one, because then I could have 1:46:06.320 --> 1:46:08.559 probably done the whole like cutting it up and learned 1:46:08.600 --> 1:46:11.320 all of that. But that didn't happen, so we kind 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:13.080 of had to keep hunting for the rest of the day. 1:46:13.439 --> 1:46:15.639 And it wasn't until the very last hour of light. 1:46:16.200 --> 1:46:17.639 And let me tell you a lot of other things 1:46:17.640 --> 1:46:19.120 are going on a lot of other bucks, a lot 1:46:19.120 --> 1:46:21.800 of other shooting situations that we tried for. I don't 1:46:21.840 --> 1:46:24.439 know we did. We had so much up until this 1:46:24.560 --> 1:46:28.240 buck last hour of light. And um, it was because 1:46:28.240 --> 1:46:31.519 we were following this one buck that was like super nice. 1:46:31.600 --> 1:46:35.160 But um, I think Cal say no, like he was 1:46:35.200 --> 1:46:38.320 just handsome. Um, like I think he was, as Cal 1:46:38.479 --> 1:46:44.679 called a monster buck or whatever, and um, we were 1:46:44.720 --> 1:46:49.080 following him. Um, and that took us over onto state 1:46:49.160 --> 1:46:53.080 Land and I honestly like, don't I had to have 1:46:53.640 --> 1:46:56.880 Cal tell me this whole story again after it all 1:46:56.960 --> 1:47:01.760 happened like after you were black yeah, blackout Basically. I 1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:03.559 was like, once we got in the car and like 1:47:03.600 --> 1:47:08.200 started driving away, I was like, so what happened? Um? 1:47:09.120 --> 1:47:11.920 It was like a night of drinking. Yeah, like last night. 1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:17.320 So he saw a dough which I never saw. That 1:47:17.400 --> 1:47:19.920 was also a major theme of the trip is he 1:47:19.960 --> 1:47:24.840 saw a lot of things that I never saw and 1:47:25.920 --> 1:47:27.880 solid dough. So he was like, we need to sneak 1:47:27.960 --> 1:47:30.320 up on this dough. And he's like there's antlers like 1:47:30.479 --> 1:47:33.439 over this ridge and like that guy doesn't see us. 1:47:33.479 --> 1:47:37.240 And I was like okay, um, and so we're like sneaking, sneaking, 1:47:37.960 --> 1:47:41.160 and we spooked the dough, but we kind of keep 1:47:41.200 --> 1:47:44.800 sneaking because the Um, I guess what happened was the 1:47:44.880 --> 1:47:49.240 buck drove the dough right in front of us. And 1:47:49.400 --> 1:47:52.679 it happened so fast. It was just like Cal set 1:47:52.720 --> 1:47:55.320 his pack down, I put my gun on the pack, 1:47:55.800 --> 1:47:58.800 and I um like waited there and Cal goes, do 1:47:58.840 --> 1:48:00.920 you see them? And appair only I got snippy and 1:48:00.920 --> 1:48:03.120 I was like, no, I don't see them. They're only 1:48:03.200 --> 1:48:06.439 like forty yards in front of us, guys, so they're 1:48:06.479 --> 1:48:12.479 not far though you're looking farther than and then they 1:48:12.520 --> 1:48:15.240 can be literally in front of the literally in front 1:48:15.280 --> 1:48:19.040 of us. You know, you know, you know the games 1:48:19.080 --> 1:48:23.320 people play. I never read it. I believe, so there's 1:48:23.320 --> 1:48:26.479 a thing. There's a game people play. I think it's 1:48:26.479 --> 1:48:32.200 explaining this where um, it's just about what it's kind 1:48:32.200 --> 1:48:34.880 of like how horrible people are and the games played. 1:48:34.880 --> 1:48:36.559 But there's a thing that happens where like I come 1:48:36.600 --> 1:48:39.600 to Tracy and I'm like, Tracy, I'm having, you know, 1:48:39.680 --> 1:48:42.840 really a difficult time hitting my sales quota at work 1:48:43.120 --> 1:48:47.799 right And she goes, well, maybe you could try working 1:48:47.920 --> 1:48:50.720 late a few days, or maybe you could try, you know, 1:48:50.760 --> 1:48:54.040 a different approach, And then I attack her. That's one 1:48:54.040 --> 1:48:57.800 of the games You'll never like, what do you know? 1:48:57.840 --> 1:49:00.640 You'll never understand. It's more of the things we do 1:49:00.680 --> 1:49:03.360 as humans. So you were doing I did that to 1:49:03.400 --> 1:49:07.400 come exactly. I'm not ashamed of it. I was telling him. 1:49:07.439 --> 1:49:09.200 I was like, when I get comfortable with people, I 1:49:09.280 --> 1:49:11.519 either like get snippy or I don't talk to you. 1:49:13.080 --> 1:49:15.680 Because there are times where he'd be like, so, how 1:49:15.720 --> 1:49:17.559 are you feeling. I haven't heard from you for a while, 1:49:17.600 --> 1:49:19.679 And I was just like, I like talk a lot 1:49:19.760 --> 1:49:21.680 less like when I'm hanging out with people, like I 1:49:21.720 --> 1:49:26.880 love silence, especially when you're outside. But um, yeah, so 1:49:26.920 --> 1:49:28.880 it's just it all happened really fast in the dough. 1:49:29.160 --> 1:49:31.080 I finally saw the dough and she was staring straight 1:49:31.120 --> 1:49:33.880 at me like, hey, hey, you know this guy is 1:49:33.920 --> 1:49:35.479 coming after me. I'd love for you to get rid 1:49:35.520 --> 1:49:40.400 of him. And um, so I just kind of um 1:49:40.640 --> 1:49:44.160 set up behind her and the buck like walked right 1:49:44.200 --> 1:49:48.519 into my sights, yeah, and looked straight at me, and 1:49:48.680 --> 1:49:51.240 um took the shot. I was like on my knees 1:49:51.280 --> 1:49:55.920 and yeah, the the gun was on the backpack, so 1:49:55.960 --> 1:49:58.120 it's upright. You were on your knees. Yeah, I was 1:49:58.160 --> 1:50:01.880 kneeling like, yeah, the back picks ending up the kind 1:50:03.120 --> 1:50:05.000 through the lungs, but I always went through the front 1:50:05.000 --> 1:50:06.760 shoulder too, because there's a lot of trauma to that. 1:50:07.080 --> 1:50:13.960 So it piled right up. Yeah. Yeah. And emotions, Yeah, 1:50:14.160 --> 1:50:19.680 you get like emotional, Yes, so Pelonso got emotional. Oh no, 1:50:19.760 --> 1:50:22.559 I'm sure, how can you not, right, Rookie of the Year. 1:50:23.360 --> 1:50:25.880 I was in denial though, like you wanted, you were 1:50:25.880 --> 1:50:28.439 denying that it was dead. No, I was in denial 1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:29.920 that it was my dear and you know, what I 1:50:29.960 --> 1:50:32.880 told Mark Kenyon this you thought someone else got it? Yeah, 1:50:32.920 --> 1:50:34.639 I was like, oh no, this is this is someone 1:50:34.680 --> 1:50:37.439 else's dear. This isn't my dear, but you're only forty 1:50:37.479 --> 1:50:40.280 yards away from it. I don't understand why I felt 1:50:40.280 --> 1:50:41.960 this space to even I'm not trying to make sense 1:50:41.960 --> 1:50:45.040 of it. But no, Mark Kenyon said, he said he 1:50:45.160 --> 1:50:47.400 felt the same exact thing. He was like, no, it's 1:50:47.439 --> 1:50:49.680 not my dear. So you guys kind of went like 1:50:49.680 --> 1:50:53.679 a little bit insane for a minute. No, it's cold 1:50:53.720 --> 1:50:58.080 like the stages of grieving denial. I think is the 1:50:58.120 --> 1:51:01.799 first stage. You had a that there must be another 1:51:01.880 --> 1:51:06.640 explanation for this deer laying right by where I just 1:51:06.800 --> 1:51:12.160 shot at a deer. Yes, I'm okay, so let me 1:51:12.160 --> 1:51:14.840 tell you. He someone I've never had someone expresses to me. 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:17.920 So I shot him. I was looking at my scope 1:51:18.000 --> 1:51:21.000 the whole time, and I don't know why I did this, 1:51:21.080 --> 1:51:23.719 but I like immediately put another bullet in the chamber, 1:51:24.720 --> 1:51:30.160 and that's next year's that's next year's lesson. Okay. Yeah, 1:51:30.280 --> 1:51:32.599 I literally was just like I shot him, and I 1:51:32.640 --> 1:51:36.760 just stayed in my scope, did another chamber whatever. I 1:51:36.800 --> 1:51:39.400 was like, Yeah, I'm like a natural, like I got 1:51:39.479 --> 1:51:42.760 to get ready to shoot, Chamber did another I know 1:51:42.800 --> 1:51:46.479 what I'm talking about here, and then I felt the 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:54.680 ice running through my name chamber, and then Cal was 1:51:54.720 --> 1:51:57.599 the one was like, we need to go find this deer. 1:51:57.680 --> 1:51:59.960 And he was like, take the bullet out of the chamber. 1:52:02.840 --> 1:52:07.920 I don't want to um and hand me the rifle. 1:52:09.280 --> 1:52:12.800 I wonder if I did, but yeah, so I was like, 1:52:12.800 --> 1:52:14.479 come on, we gotta go find it. And I was 1:52:14.520 --> 1:52:18.439 like okay, okay, and then we, you know, run up 1:52:18.640 --> 1:52:21.320 a little bit to where it was and I'm of 1:52:21.320 --> 1:52:23.960 course just like standing there like what happened? I don't know. 1:52:24.240 --> 1:52:26.080 And then he's like, oh, look that way, and then 1:52:26.080 --> 1:52:29.800 there was like the dear, my dear, just probably like 1:52:30.000 --> 1:52:32.599 twenty yards in front of us or something and just 1:52:32.840 --> 1:52:36.360 laying there dead. And I was just in shock. I 1:52:36.400 --> 1:52:43.400 was like, that was there probably the whole time, right, Yeah. 1:52:43.439 --> 1:52:45.639 I was like he just like laid like walked over 1:52:45.680 --> 1:52:48.720 there and just laid down and ended up expiring but 1:52:50.000 --> 1:52:53.000 ended up being my dear. I didn't even So that 1:52:53.080 --> 1:52:55.800 was the other thing I had seen Maggie's photo as 1:52:55.880 --> 1:52:59.400 I was driving out to this area with Cal and 1:53:00.000 --> 1:53:03.120 your dear had blood like you saw blood and my 1:53:03.200 --> 1:53:05.439 dear had no blood. So that was another reason why 1:53:05.439 --> 1:53:07.839 I was like, this is not my dear. There's no blood, 1:53:07.960 --> 1:53:13.080 like he just died peacefully, and UM, yeah, I got 1:53:13.120 --> 1:53:15.080 you cal basically how to be like, this is your 1:53:15.560 --> 1:53:19.040 sucking dear, uh, and I'm going to leave you alone 1:53:19.040 --> 1:53:21.320 for a few minutes so you can be with it. 1:53:21.439 --> 1:53:25.000 Mainly because I lost his first light first light prototype 1:53:25.040 --> 1:53:28.360 jacket and find oh man as finds up putting Kevin 1:53:28.400 --> 1:53:37.040 in a really awkward position. Looks like I'm doing some hiking. Um. 1:53:37.080 --> 1:53:40.160 And so the moment that Kyle left, I I just 1:53:40.200 --> 1:53:42.920 started crying and I just started talking to this dear 1:53:43.040 --> 1:53:45.040 and I was just like trying to tell him is like, 1:53:45.120 --> 1:53:47.759 so you know, like we put in a lot of effort. 1:53:47.840 --> 1:53:50.360 You know my opinion, we put in a lot of effort, 1:53:50.479 --> 1:53:53.120 Like you know, I just I want to tell you 1:53:53.120 --> 1:53:54.920 how much I'm grateful for you and all this stuff. 1:53:54.920 --> 1:53:57.719 I don't know. I was just very emotional at that moment. 1:53:57.760 --> 1:54:01.320 Do you feel that if you were um murdered by 1:54:01.320 --> 1:54:07.639 another person, uh, and you're you're dying and the person says, 1:54:08.640 --> 1:54:12.840 you know, I want you to know, Um, I feel horrible, 1:54:13.640 --> 1:54:16.200 but but very grateful for you. Do you know what 1:54:16.360 --> 1:54:18.000 would you would you feel better about it? Or would 1:54:18.000 --> 1:54:22.719 you would that piss like? Would that piss you off? More? Um? Well, 1:54:22.840 --> 1:54:24.680 would it matter? Because then I'd be dead like two 1:54:24.720 --> 1:54:28.320 seconds like that you had awareness of it, like, doesn't care? 1:54:28.720 --> 1:54:31.559 What does it change anything? No, it's not for the deer. 1:54:31.640 --> 1:54:34.880 Probably it's probably more for me at that point. I 1:54:34.880 --> 1:54:36.640 don't know how I would respond if also now is 1:54:37.240 --> 1:54:41.360 walked to woods and and then work so hard. It 1:54:41.360 --> 1:54:44.280 works so hard to find you, Steve. I've got great 1:54:44.320 --> 1:54:47.520 plans for your forearms and your calves and gonna make 1:54:47.600 --> 1:54:51.840 ashabuco Or would I be like, dude, it doesn't matter. Yeah, 1:54:51.880 --> 1:54:54.240 I know it probably would be like I don't care anymore. 1:54:54.400 --> 1:54:58.560 I'm dying. Um. But yeah, it was like I said, 1:54:58.560 --> 1:55:02.600 as in that last hour of light, so um, we 1:55:02.640 --> 1:55:05.080 had to get going. Yeah, what he mentioned it? But 1:55:05.120 --> 1:55:07.440 why is that? Was it impending weather? Like? What was 1:55:07.480 --> 1:55:10.440 the problem? The temperature was dropping, it started sleeping on us, 1:55:10.560 --> 1:55:13.160 and we were definitely a lot further from the car 1:55:13.240 --> 1:55:16.040 than I think he had wanted to be. Of course, 1:55:16.200 --> 1:55:18.120 none of these things, I know. I'm just like going 1:55:18.200 --> 1:55:20.080 on along for this ride, so I'm like, yeah, this 1:55:20.160 --> 1:55:21.760 is great. So it's kind of a hard like a 1:55:21.920 --> 1:55:25.560 hard out like maybe, I mean he made it very easy. 1:55:25.640 --> 1:55:28.879 We stayed for the most part on the flat areas, 1:55:28.920 --> 1:55:30.680 so we weren't doing a ton of climbing, so he 1:55:30.720 --> 1:55:32.880 had to help you cut it up. Oh no, he did, 1:55:32.920 --> 1:55:34.560 like all the cutting up. That was the thing. I 1:55:34.600 --> 1:55:37.160 didn't get to learn anything about that because dark and 1:55:37.400 --> 1:55:40.880 dark and rainy and cold. Ums when we got that 1:55:40.920 --> 1:55:44.280 really nasty snowstorm, right, you guys were like, coming back 1:55:44.440 --> 1:55:47.760 is Tuesday night? I don't know in the world. Yeah, 1:55:48.080 --> 1:55:52.600 I was out of service. Have you been on to 1:55:52.600 --> 1:55:57.240 eating your deer yet? Yeah? So I've had um a 1:55:57.240 --> 1:55:59.680 bunch of the back leg and then I had the tongue. 1:56:00.480 --> 1:56:03.080 Did you Um, did you bring any of it to 1:56:03.120 --> 1:56:08.160 the holiday party? No? I brought potatoes. Potatoes. Those were good. 1:56:08.280 --> 1:56:11.640 So you had the tongue in some of the back leg? Yep? 1:56:13.280 --> 1:56:15.320 When you like when you leave for work in the morning, 1:56:15.360 --> 1:56:20.080 do you pull some out to thought? Yeah? Exactly. Um, 1:56:20.160 --> 1:56:22.120 I'll just I just try and plan ahead a little bit. 1:56:22.160 --> 1:56:24.560 Have you shared it with your friends? Uh? No, not yet. 1:56:24.600 --> 1:56:26.800 I really haven't been around so it's like I got 1:56:26.840 --> 1:56:30.280 that deer. I left town like two days later and 1:56:30.320 --> 1:56:33.040 then was gone for all the week of Thanksgiving, came back, 1:56:33.080 --> 1:56:36.120 went to Michigan. So this is my first week in Montana, 1:56:36.440 --> 1:56:38.520 and so I just I haven't had time to really 1:56:38.520 --> 1:56:40.560 share anything. You didn't bring. You didn't bring you to 1:56:40.600 --> 1:56:44.160 Thanksgiving dinner. I mean to bring home some for Christmas. Yeah, 1:56:45.240 --> 1:56:49.800 the backstrap good deal? Um, and you think you might 1:56:49.840 --> 1:56:53.880 give something to some friends possibly, Yeah, Well I'm bring 1:56:53.920 --> 1:56:56.480 something else to give it to your friends. Well, I'm 1:56:56.480 --> 1:56:58.560 gonna make jerky. That's my plan this weekend is to 1:56:58.560 --> 1:57:02.760 make some jerky. I got brothers the hydrator, and um, 1:57:03.080 --> 1:57:05.520 can I steal that meat slicer in the kitchen for 1:57:05.560 --> 1:57:09.040 a weekend? You think it's not necessary, but sure? Can 1:57:09.080 --> 1:57:11.440 I slice it super thin? I guess with my own knife? Yeah, 1:57:11.440 --> 1:57:13.760 what you want to do is put a partial freeze 1:57:13.800 --> 1:57:17.680 on it. Yeah, okay, let's set up and slice away. 1:57:18.400 --> 1:57:19.440 You don't need to do that, but you can get 1:57:19.480 --> 1:57:21.880 some nice slices like that. It makes it easier. It's 1:57:21.880 --> 1:57:25.280 a lot easier to handle with the grain or against 1:57:25.320 --> 1:57:28.000 the grain. I don't know what should I do. Pants 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:32.480 Man traditional jerky's with the grain really chewy? H What 1:57:32.560 --> 1:57:37.240 do you like with okay? Where you like Johnnie across 1:57:37.280 --> 1:57:41.480 the grain because it's it's easier to choose. Yeah, I 1:57:41.480 --> 1:57:43.320 should say like, I like it all, man, I like 1:57:43.640 --> 1:57:45.960 it's very different experience. Like you you're gonna have a 1:57:46.000 --> 1:57:48.840 less of a cud. You have less of a cud 1:57:48.880 --> 1:57:52.280 when you go across. You can work up pretty good 1:57:52.320 --> 1:57:54.760 cud when you go with if there especially, you leave 1:57:54.760 --> 1:58:00.200 a lot of Sydney. But somebody likes, oh you don't 1:58:00.000 --> 1:58:07.320 want you don't want cuts. Yeah, you're jerky in a while, lady. 1:58:07.320 --> 1:58:11.560 You got like a peace size hung white yeah and 1:58:11.600 --> 1:58:14.000 stretched out and it's like a big ball piece of thread. 1:58:14.040 --> 1:58:23.720 Yeah that's the cud. Yeah, so I'll go across the yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:58:23.760 --> 1:58:26.400 We've had this conversation before. A lot of jerky now 1:58:26.480 --> 1:58:30.280 and gas stations is um. You know, there's whole muscle jerky, 1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:33.600 but there's a lot of jerky that's that's ground. You know. 1:58:33.720 --> 1:58:36.920 You remember your brother recently started doing that. I thought 1:58:37.000 --> 1:58:39.280 that stuff was good. Nothing wrong with it, man, nothing 1:58:39.280 --> 1:58:43.040 wrong with it. No cud. It's easy to chew. But 1:58:43.400 --> 1:58:45.840 like you know, I don't know, man, like for me, 1:58:45.920 --> 1:58:47.760 if I had like one jerky, the rest of my 1:58:47.800 --> 1:58:52.640 life's gonna be jerky. That's hole muscle with the grain, 1:58:53.040 --> 1:58:56.360 and it's like a chaw to it. Yeah, you grabbing 1:58:56.840 --> 1:59:03.640 You like dry, pretty moist? Yeah, I like a good 1:59:03.680 --> 1:59:06.640 tacky jerky. Yeah, he doesn't me and I do not 1:59:06.640 --> 1:59:09.200 see eye on jerky. No, I like that. I like 1:59:09.280 --> 1:59:11.840 the attacky jerky too. I used to do like a 1:59:12.560 --> 1:59:15.480 I call them like jerky tidbits, and they're more just 1:59:15.560 --> 1:59:19.160 like chunks, you know, like bacon ends, but jerky. Yeah, 1:59:19.240 --> 1:59:21.240 but maybe a little bit bigger, you know. But you 1:59:21.240 --> 1:59:23.640 have to be real careful because if you over dried them, 1:59:23.680 --> 1:59:26.240 you know, you just did it just wasn't edible at all. 1:59:26.840 --> 1:59:29.400 But then sometimes I'd have them in my pack for 1:59:29.440 --> 1:59:30.840 like a week and you pull them out and you 1:59:30.840 --> 1:59:33.360 realize that you didn't actually dry all everything out that 1:59:33.440 --> 1:59:35.120 needed to come out, you know, so you have like 1:59:35.120 --> 1:59:39.440 a little just a little pungent smell in there. The 1:59:39.560 --> 1:59:41.720 clients would be like, are you sure this is okay 1:59:41.720 --> 1:59:47.720 to eat? Well? One thing about when you do with grain, 1:59:48.160 --> 1:59:51.600 with grain cut and you're drying it, don't dry it 1:59:51.680 --> 1:59:54.120 so much that it snaps what you want to do 1:59:54.320 --> 1:59:57.400 is dry it till when you bend it you'll see 1:59:57.560 --> 2:00:02.920 little white filaments. Okay, you bend it, there's white filaments 2:00:03.040 --> 2:00:07.760 and no snap. That's what you're after when you do 2:00:08.040 --> 2:00:10.000 cross green. I don't know what what's your indicator when 2:00:10.000 --> 2:00:13.440 you cross green, it's similar you kind of banded. It 2:00:13.520 --> 2:00:16.360 shouldn't go like if it snaps like a chip, that's 2:00:16.360 --> 2:00:18.240 not good. Yeah. And the only thing I find a 2:00:18.240 --> 2:00:22.360 lot of people screw up is um, there's jerky and 2:00:22.400 --> 2:00:25.120 then there's cooked meat. And I've had a lot of 2:00:25.160 --> 2:00:30.640 guys give me jerky. That's not jerky. It's like roasted. 2:00:31.400 --> 2:00:34.400 It's just different. You know what I'm saying. It's just different. Man. 2:00:35.040 --> 2:00:37.600 I've eaten many pounds of it, and I've made many 2:00:37.600 --> 2:00:40.400 pounds of it, which is like it's just like yeah, 2:00:40.400 --> 2:00:45.480 you kind of cooked little thin. Yeah, but just like 2:00:45.880 --> 2:00:50.040 you know what I'm saying, it's just not jerky's. These 2:00:50.040 --> 2:00:52.880 are all very useful tips things. Guys. You get that 2:00:52.880 --> 2:00:54.440 when you do in your oven and when you're doing 2:00:54.520 --> 2:00:55.880 your smoke or you know what I mean, Like, am 2:00:55.880 --> 2:00:58.840 I describing it right? Yeah? Yeah, I mean there's a 2:00:58.960 --> 2:01:04.840 big difference. And you know it dried meat and cook meat. Um, 2:01:04.920 --> 2:01:08.040 so is Katie going to go out with cal She 2:01:08.080 --> 2:01:14.440 doesn't want to hold me. I really understand. It's insulting 2:01:14.480 --> 2:01:16.440 to me. We're talking about my wife. It's insulting to me, 2:01:16.480 --> 2:01:18.600 and I don't really understand it. I don't think it's 2:01:18.600 --> 2:01:21.320 a good idea for two people who are in that 2:01:21.400 --> 2:01:24.680 close of a relationship where you are the expert and 2:01:24.720 --> 2:01:28.240 the other person is the novice beginner and it's like 2:01:28.280 --> 2:01:32.240 a personal relationship. I think that's a terrible idea. I 2:01:32.240 --> 2:01:34.080 don't think it has anything to do with you, Steve. 2:01:34.160 --> 2:01:36.520 I think it has to do with the fact that 2:01:36.520 --> 2:01:42.400 that dynamic would be challenging. Couldn't disagree more. It's tough 2:01:42.440 --> 2:01:44.880 because you think that people in relationship that should be 2:01:44.920 --> 2:01:51.000 able to overcome whatever we've had. We've had three kids, Sure, 2:01:51.160 --> 2:01:54.440 you married eleven years. What's going to ruin at all? 2:01:55.800 --> 2:01:59.760 It's not about at all. It's about having a different 2:02:00.280 --> 2:02:02.360 of patience. I mean, even when I was learning to 2:02:02.440 --> 2:02:05.480 fly fish and Jeremiah would teach me there's a block. 2:02:06.000 --> 2:02:09.520 You don't want to be open minded to your significant other. 2:02:09.720 --> 2:02:16.320 Who So that's that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, Like 2:02:16.360 --> 2:02:18.320 we're like we're married, but in a lot of ways 2:02:18.360 --> 2:02:25.920 we're like enemies. Is married enemies? Where should we put um? 2:02:27.000 --> 2:02:29.440 Like I recently got that fifty pound block of lard, 2:02:30.400 --> 2:02:32.640 my fifty pound box a blard. Okay, I didn't know 2:02:32.640 --> 2:02:36.120 about that, like very m real enemy. We're real enemies 2:02:36.160 --> 2:02:39.000 about where I keep that? Where would she like you 2:02:39.040 --> 2:02:42.360 to keep it? Not where I keep it anywhere else 2:02:42.520 --> 2:02:46.520 on the counter. She just can't picture it being gone, 2:02:47.760 --> 2:02:49.600 so she suggested I moved it to the place I 2:02:49.640 --> 2:02:55.280 don't want to have it. Yeah, viewer like like she's 2:02:55.320 --> 2:02:59.200 my like like in regards of my block lard, I 2:02:59.400 --> 2:03:02.600 have like a very enemy feeling toward her, like my 2:03:02.600 --> 2:03:07.320 my adversary about my large because when she approached me 2:03:07.360 --> 2:03:11.440 about it, she didn't approach me as a friend. It 2:03:11.560 --> 2:03:14.160 wasn't like, hey, buddy, I've been thinking about the box 2:03:14.160 --> 2:03:18.440 of large. Wasn't like that I knowed by that box 2:03:18.480 --> 2:03:22.880 a large and give it a smack. You know that 2:03:22.960 --> 2:03:25.560 pack that plastic stuff you used to like tight wrap 2:03:25.600 --> 2:03:29.200 stuff like to ship stuff. Yeah, the box was compromised, 2:03:29.200 --> 2:03:32.800 and I know I took that shipping wrap and wrapped that. 2:03:32.920 --> 2:03:36.360 It's like tight in a drum man. But it's like, yeah, 2:03:36.680 --> 2:03:39.200 Kylie had a morbid fascination with that box when it 2:03:39.280 --> 2:03:46.120 showed up. Yeah, fascination. Ye didn't she didn't like it, 2:03:46.200 --> 2:03:48.880 but she couldn't keep away from it. And throughout the 2:03:48.880 --> 2:03:50.840 course of the day and not ten minutes went by 2:03:50.880 --> 2:03:53.000 that Kylie didn't come back over to my desk to 2:03:53.080 --> 2:03:57.360 look into the come back over to my desk to 2:03:57.480 --> 2:04:00.839 look into it and express like a level of dismay 2:04:00.880 --> 2:04:03.120 about it. Did she go back to her She got 2:04:03.160 --> 2:04:05.160 back her desk, and it comments later I look at 2:04:05.200 --> 2:04:09.960 she's back looking into the box, and then she couldn't 2:04:10.040 --> 2:04:14.840 understand it. That's a lot, She's like, that weighs half 2:04:14.840 --> 2:04:19.280 what I went, let is so much? Lord, I was 2:04:19.320 --> 2:04:20.800 like after, I was like, Kylie, we all know what. 2:04:20.800 --> 2:04:22.760 You just want to have a scoop. Just have a scoop. 2:04:24.280 --> 2:04:27.600 Just throw the spoon in there. No, okay, Kylie's deer 2:04:27.680 --> 2:04:32.480 hunt when when hunting with my husband, But you've been 2:04:32.520 --> 2:04:36.480 a number of times you've been around it. Yeah, so 2:04:36.560 --> 2:04:40.080 I'm my husband hunts like I mean, all my my 2:04:40.120 --> 2:04:44.720 friend's hunt um. But then I've gone shooting um for 2:04:44.840 --> 2:04:47.600 many years but then just never actually hunted. How long 2:04:47.640 --> 2:04:50.240 ahead you done the hunter safety two years ago, and 2:04:50.240 --> 2:04:53.280 why did you do that? Before I turned thirty? My 2:04:53.360 --> 2:04:57.000 goal was to shoot an animal. Um, to go hunting 2:04:57.040 --> 2:04:59.120 for the first time ever. I'm from Montana, I should 2:04:59.200 --> 2:05:02.760 be doing this. Um. I went through hunter Safety, was 2:05:02.920 --> 2:05:05.280 very out of my comfort zone and very much at 2:05:05.400 --> 2:05:08.560 unter safety. Yeah. What didn't you like about it? I 2:05:08.840 --> 2:05:11.360 think just not knowing, like I think as a woman, 2:05:11.480 --> 2:05:14.840 like and sounds stupid, but like kind of going in there, Hi, 2:05:15.120 --> 2:05:17.640 I don't know exactly what I'm doing, per se, And 2:05:17.680 --> 2:05:20.360 then um, you know, not knowing anyone, it feels like 2:05:20.360 --> 2:05:22.560 like swinging dick contest or just kind of like you 2:05:22.640 --> 2:05:24.240 just don't really know what you're supposed to do and 2:05:24.280 --> 2:05:26.920 you kind of feel dumb. But but I went through it, 2:05:27.000 --> 2:05:29.520 and then I didn't really tell anyone. Do you feel 2:05:29.520 --> 2:05:31.800 like you're made to feel dumb? Or was this self imposed? 2:05:31.800 --> 2:05:36.480 Self imposed? For sure? Um? No? And then I, um, 2:05:36.680 --> 2:05:38.840 just over time, I haven't been able to go. And 2:05:38.840 --> 2:05:41.320 then this year I had the opportunity to go. My 2:05:41.400 --> 2:05:45.200 husband and I went, Um, is he pretty patient? Super patient? 2:05:45.320 --> 2:05:47.720 Had he already gotten a dear? No? He mean this 2:05:47.840 --> 2:05:49.200 was like for me, Like, I mean, he was like 2:05:49.200 --> 2:05:50.880 I'm going to go for you. I'm going to be 2:05:50.920 --> 2:05:53.240 a partner. I mean he got everything set up. He 2:05:53.440 --> 2:05:56.280 wasn't even like trying to get one too. No, this 2:05:56.360 --> 2:05:59.520 was a mean thing for sure, and like he I 2:05:59.560 --> 2:06:03.240 mean it was very much a UM yeah, I think 2:06:03.280 --> 2:06:05.000 I was like when we talk about couples, I think 2:06:05.040 --> 2:06:07.240 it's there is I think sometimes in a couple that 2:06:07.280 --> 2:06:09.760 you do want to fight, like what are you doing wrong? 2:06:09.800 --> 2:06:12.640 You know? But I think that you you also you 2:06:12.720 --> 2:06:15.800 love that person, so you also understand like okay, why 2:06:16.040 --> 2:06:18.000 you know he did at one point. So I will 2:06:18.040 --> 2:06:21.600 tell you. I choked twice. I couldn't get at two bucks, 2:06:21.600 --> 2:06:24.000 two different bucks, and I couldn't shoot just kind of 2:06:24.080 --> 2:06:26.400 first time you went, yeah, the first time I went 2:06:26.840 --> 2:06:29.360 got it like I mean, huge buck, just staring at it. 2:06:29.400 --> 2:06:32.040 Couldn't do it. I have no not a clue why, 2:06:32.280 --> 2:06:35.280 like just I mean it was just right there, um 2:06:35.560 --> 2:06:38.480 happen again and I was I was super mad at myself. 2:06:38.720 --> 2:06:41.720 Um that I think the emotional part. I think when 2:06:41.800 --> 2:06:44.800 they talk about the emotions afterwards, I think my emotion 2:06:45.400 --> 2:06:48.960 was then I was frustrated with myself. Um, I think 2:06:49.000 --> 2:06:50.760 you just don't want to hurt the animal. I mean 2:06:50.800 --> 2:06:53.520 that was I think everything that you think about what 2:06:53.560 --> 2:06:56.080 Tracy was saying, and all the girls like you don't 2:06:56.480 --> 2:06:58.200 don't want it to go run off and if they 2:06:58.240 --> 2:07:02.920 heard or anything so running all the all the negative scenarios, 2:07:03.240 --> 2:07:04.720 and I think when we were kind of talking about 2:07:04.720 --> 2:07:07.440 like that right when you have an insight in that trigger, 2:07:07.600 --> 2:07:11.440 it's just like that's such a a different feeling that 2:07:11.480 --> 2:07:13.600 I've never felt before. I can't put the bullet back 2:07:13.640 --> 2:07:17.160 into gun. So that one that was really frustrating. So 2:07:17.240 --> 2:07:19.160 at one point my husband did say he was like 2:07:19.720 --> 2:07:22.360 kind of like what's wrong or like he's like for you, like, 2:07:22.400 --> 2:07:25.000 are you not set up right? You know what in 2:07:25.000 --> 2:07:28.680 your head is compassionate? Yeah, like what what can we do? 2:07:29.400 --> 2:07:31.280 The way of doing it? Yeah, flip it. I mean, 2:07:31.280 --> 2:07:33.920 I'm sure he was frustrated to pursue the same thing, 2:07:33.960 --> 2:07:38.040 but act like you're more concerned about them. Yeah, take note. 2:07:38.720 --> 2:07:43.000 I don't know if acting um yeah. And then do 2:07:43.240 --> 2:07:44.680 you guys have a little bit you know what I'm 2:07:44.720 --> 2:07:46.400 talking about a little bit like the enemy nous about 2:07:46.400 --> 2:07:49.600 stuff now? And then oh we fight, we used to 2:07:49.640 --> 2:07:55.800 fight all so um no, And then it was I 2:07:55.840 --> 2:08:00.760 was coming up on like it was that he got 2:08:00.800 --> 2:08:02.360 some trick up your sleeve. Then all of a sudden, 2:08:02.360 --> 2:08:05.720 you quit fighting eleven years. I don't know, just kind of, Oh, 2:08:05.760 --> 2:08:08.560 he just got it out of the way. Nothing to 2:08:08.560 --> 2:08:12.200 fight about it. You has fought it all out. Now 2:08:12.240 --> 2:08:17.400 you're just like every news resolved, the lard goes over there. 2:08:19.040 --> 2:08:23.040 There's something to be said for that. What's that? My 2:08:23.120 --> 2:08:26.240 father in law recently, it wasn't recent, maybe a year 2:08:26.280 --> 2:08:28.520 ago now, but I remember him telling my daughter. She 2:08:28.680 --> 2:08:31.480 was asking she had somehow noticed something about his lack 2:08:31.560 --> 2:08:35.840 of anger with people whatever, and he was just telling 2:08:35.880 --> 2:08:38.640 her about how in his age, he's sort of just 2:08:38.760 --> 2:08:43.440 like giving up on fighting the Randy Randy Newbert piece 2:08:43.520 --> 2:08:46.000 not justice, yeah, but not necessarily with his wife, just 2:08:46.040 --> 2:08:48.640 like with anybody in life. He's just like, I just 2:08:48.680 --> 2:08:51.040 don't have time to do that, and he's just taking like, 2:08:51.320 --> 2:08:57.640 oh is that right? Yeah, you don't say um piece 2:08:57.760 --> 2:09:00.760 not justice thing though. That's that's I don't know if 2:09:00.760 --> 2:09:02.680 he wrote that. I made that up, but he introduced 2:09:02.720 --> 2:09:06.600 me to that idea. Like obviously sometimes strangled my wife, 2:09:06.640 --> 2:09:08.680 you know, and I'll just be like just snuggle up instead. 2:09:11.480 --> 2:09:19.320 How who cares? Then? I was gonna strangle you about. 2:09:22.200 --> 2:09:25.840 So he's a good dude. Good dude. And then on 2:09:26.200 --> 2:09:30.040 Saturday night, right before like season end, and Sunday, Saturday 2:09:30.120 --> 2:09:32.520 night at five o'clock at night, it's going it's dark, 2:09:32.680 --> 2:09:36.120 like Sam had um, it's negative degrees and what do 2:09:36.160 --> 2:09:37.840 you know, it's the last day of the season. Yeah. 2:09:38.240 --> 2:09:45.680 Oh yeah, So I talked about across there's a creek 2:09:45.720 --> 2:09:47.600 and we saw like I looked over and in the 2:09:47.640 --> 2:09:50.080 fog there was a couple of different deer and I 2:09:50.120 --> 2:09:52.080 saw dough and I saw a buck as just a 2:09:52.120 --> 2:09:57.000 small little buck um. And I didn't like usually I 2:09:57.080 --> 2:09:59.240 was like really hesitant beforehand, and this was just such 2:09:59.280 --> 2:10:03.600 a very perfect, like normal feeling. Um. And then I 2:10:03.640 --> 2:10:07.080 shot and I saw some like go like move, so 2:10:07.120 --> 2:10:09.720 I didn't think I shot it um. And then my 2:10:09.840 --> 2:10:13.640 husband actually I got lost there, so I like I 2:10:13.680 --> 2:10:16.520 saw them across the creek in the fog, and I shot, 2:10:17.200 --> 2:10:20.000 and then okay, I need more details. He is your 2:10:20.040 --> 2:10:23.640 husband watching too, Yeah, but there was he didn't have 2:10:23.640 --> 2:10:25.720 any feedback for you know, there was oh yeah, there 2:10:25.760 --> 2:10:28.000 was a couple of deer, like we didn't know behind 2:10:28.680 --> 2:10:31.080 that it was all foggy. So I just saw the 2:10:31.160 --> 2:10:33.960 one buck and I shot. But then when we when 2:10:34.000 --> 2:10:37.360 I shot, it was like all the other deer. Oh yeah, 2:10:37.360 --> 2:10:38.600 I know what you're saying. So then it's hard to 2:10:38.600 --> 2:10:41.160 tell what exactly I'm with you. So then he ran 2:10:41.280 --> 2:10:43.760 over across the creek, and then I didn't think I 2:10:43.840 --> 2:10:46.200 hit it, and then um, he ran over to investigate. 2:10:46.480 --> 2:10:48.720 And then I got it so right in the lungs, 2:10:48.800 --> 2:10:53.280 which was perfect of exactly what I wanted it. And 2:10:53.360 --> 2:10:56.560 then he carried it, carried it over because he drained 2:10:56.560 --> 2:10:59.360 it back across the creek, and I wanted to same 2:10:59.400 --> 2:11:01.240 exactly a and like I wanted to be able to 2:11:01.280 --> 2:11:03.680 gut it um and go through that. I watched it, 2:11:03.760 --> 2:11:05.840 but because it was dark, I mean he had the 2:11:06.040 --> 2:11:08.280 you know light on, I mean it was I didn't 2:11:08.320 --> 2:11:13.440 feel comfortable. Temperature. Not great learning, but next time I 2:11:13.480 --> 2:11:15.840 would like to learn next time for sure, any emotions 2:11:16.480 --> 2:11:21.640 just before just I think just when shooting and not 2:11:21.640 --> 2:11:23.680 not being able to for sure, I think, yeah, I 2:11:23.680 --> 2:11:25.680 think that first time that you went out, you had 2:11:26.360 --> 2:11:29.200 very frustrated, Like she texted me and she was just like, 2:11:29.440 --> 2:11:32.720 I can't believe I didn't shoot it, and I won't 2:11:32.800 --> 2:11:35.520 take that for the next time because you will. Yeah, 2:11:36.840 --> 2:11:39.960 like you had like later you you thought to yourself 2:11:40.040 --> 2:11:42.440 like that was a great opportunity. I blew it and yeah, 2:11:42.520 --> 2:11:44.480 I mean it was literally like I was looking straight 2:11:44.520 --> 2:11:46.720 at him right in the scope. He was huge. I mean, 2:11:46.760 --> 2:11:48.760 it was just that he was just staring at me, 2:11:48.840 --> 2:11:50.640 and I couldn't for the life when we do it 2:11:51.160 --> 2:11:54.520 no idea. Why so, Um, did you guys bring into 2:11:54.560 --> 2:11:58.560 a processor? Yep, so you gotta get it out and 2:11:58.600 --> 2:12:00.560 then so we're just waiting for it to process and 2:12:00.600 --> 2:12:02.240 you go pick it up. Do you guys eat a 2:12:02.240 --> 2:12:04.520 lot of dear meat? Because he also, yeah, I used 2:12:04.560 --> 2:12:07.360 to do a lot a lot of elk meat. Okay, yeah, 2:12:07.400 --> 2:12:11.520 so game meat. So your husband likes to hunt elk any, 2:12:11.600 --> 2:12:13.680 I mean yeah, he's did it. Um, he grew up 2:12:13.720 --> 2:12:18.080 with it for doing all dear anything from here, so 2:12:18.120 --> 2:12:22.160 he's probably got a long tradition of it. And then, um, 2:12:22.720 --> 2:12:24.160 you you can eat it right away or like he'll 2:12:24.160 --> 2:12:26.400 take a year to eat it. I would like to 2:12:26.400 --> 2:12:28.640 try to eat it right away for sure. You know, 2:12:28.640 --> 2:12:35.560 only good wild game cookbooks. No, I mean I think 2:12:35.640 --> 2:12:37.200 we work at this place. I don't know. I'm called 2:12:37.240 --> 2:12:42.800 meat eat or but I know that to call that 2:12:42.880 --> 2:12:46.960 Hank shot cook. Look last night, Oh you did any 2:12:47.000 --> 2:12:49.880 good recipes in there? I didn't open it. I don't 2:12:49.880 --> 2:12:52.880 think I was in the stage of reading last night. 2:12:53.360 --> 2:12:55.440 You know what boats someone left my house last night 2:12:55.440 --> 2:12:57.760 that my kid wants so bad but and he I 2:12:57.800 --> 2:12:59.480 told him he could steal it, but my wife wants 2:12:59.520 --> 2:13:02.720 to track on its rightful owner. Is a book called 2:13:02.800 --> 2:13:10.320 Crap Taxidermy. It's a book, a horrible tax Yeah. Um, 2:13:10.440 --> 2:13:12.160 he took it, wanted to take the school, and I 2:13:12.160 --> 2:13:13.640 said We'll go ahead because if someone left it here 2:13:13.680 --> 2:13:15.120 they might not want it. And Kat is like they 2:13:15.200 --> 2:13:16.680 might have just left it. And then we got to 2:13:16.720 --> 2:13:19.760 like have a parenting moment where I'm like, yeah, you 2:13:19.840 --> 2:13:26.560 m right. It's a great title, Crap Taxidermy. He really 2:13:26.600 --> 2:13:28.840 likes the title. I think he wants to brand at 2:13:28.880 --> 2:13:36.320 the school because he likes the title. Someone great. So, uh, 2:13:36.360 --> 2:13:41.040 everybody gonna hunt again or no? Definitely? What do you 2:13:41.080 --> 2:13:43.800 think you go? Is Jeremiah going to take your boyfriend 2:13:43.840 --> 2:13:45.520 gonna take Hunter Safe? Yeah, we need to get it 2:13:45.600 --> 2:13:48.400 to take Hunter safety. Think you'll hunt together. I think 2:13:48.440 --> 2:13:51.640 we would totally hunt together. Your boyfriend, Ye, he'll do 2:13:51.720 --> 2:13:53.960 hunter safety. Yep, we've talked about it. You think you 2:13:54.120 --> 2:13:56.520 hunt again? Yeah, hunt together? Yeah, I do think we 2:13:56.520 --> 2:13:59.240 would hunt together. I do. I think we figured out 2:13:59.240 --> 2:14:02.920 how to like be productive in those types of situations together. Yeah. 2:14:03.080 --> 2:14:04.960 You guys are gathering up rocks to make a chimney. 2:14:05.000 --> 2:14:07.880 Oh man, that's no small job. Oh, it's no small job, man. 2:14:08.040 --> 2:14:11.640 And every weekend, okay, it's rock picking time. It's like 2:14:11.840 --> 2:14:14.680 five loads later. We're fortunate enough of our neighbors are 2:14:14.720 --> 2:14:16.360 letting us take as much rock as we need off 2:14:16.360 --> 2:14:18.800 their land. It's like five loads later. I'm like, are 2:14:18.800 --> 2:14:21.440 we done for today? And you guys are palletizing the 2:14:21.520 --> 2:14:23.280 right Yeah, you pick up one by one. You got 2:14:23.360 --> 2:14:25.240 to clean them. You got to make sure that the 2:14:25.360 --> 2:14:27.880 right size, the right shape, they have the right amount 2:14:27.920 --> 2:14:31.000 of liking on them. It's just very diligent job. And 2:14:31.000 --> 2:14:33.720 then you put them on pallets by size so that 2:14:33.760 --> 2:14:38.000 our mason can work with them. And do you know 2:14:38.000 --> 2:14:40.800 about this rock picking, it's pretty impressive when you look 2:14:40.840 --> 2:14:46.040 at like the collection of palletized staffed rock. This moust 2:14:46.080 --> 2:14:48.800 be one hell of a chimney. Oh it sure, dam is. 2:14:49.320 --> 2:14:52.920 Hopefully it'll be the center of the house. It's like 2:14:53.560 --> 2:14:56.400 literally blood, sweat and tears, and there they were, just 2:14:56.440 --> 2:15:00.000 coming back from a rock picking. Yeah, like Kevis, that's 2:15:00.000 --> 2:15:03.000 a great way to make a neighbor. Oh man, you're 2:15:03.040 --> 2:15:06.080 just doing it just to be helpful. But they've already 2:15:06.160 --> 2:15:09.120 gathered I mean they've lived there for forever, so that 2:15:09.280 --> 2:15:12.360 all their rock is in different piles across their entire lands. 2:15:12.400 --> 2:15:15.960 We go from power from the field. No, no, no, 2:15:16.080 --> 2:15:20.520 it's already said that they've gathered rocks. Yeah, it's kind 2:15:20.520 --> 2:15:23.800 of high grading. It's helpful for me. I'm just kidding. 2:15:23.800 --> 2:15:27.360 Oh yeah, I mean I was thinking that those landowners. Listen, 2:15:27.360 --> 2:15:31.400 they have past your land, the picking raw rock. They 2:15:31.400 --> 2:15:33.640 would love you for sure, but they've already done all 2:15:33.680 --> 2:15:39.440 that work in the decades. Yeah, that's still a good story. 2:15:39.720 --> 2:15:41.440 I can't you can invite us all over to see 2:15:41.440 --> 2:15:43.640 the chimney. Well, yeah, finally have a place where people 2:15:43.640 --> 2:15:45.680 can sit. We live in seven square feet right now, 2:15:45.760 --> 2:15:48.120 I can't really have anybody over. She's got a horse 2:15:48.160 --> 2:15:50.400 property full of buildings and they live in a little apartment. 2:15:51.880 --> 2:15:56.120 Was horrified, just like everybody, look as a building. There 2:15:56.120 --> 2:15:58.720 are a lot of little units. Yeah, look at a building, 2:15:58.720 --> 2:16:01.080 but then you guys live in a frame thing above 2:16:01.120 --> 2:16:04.320 the barnes is funny. Yeah, one of those buildings isn't 2:16:05.040 --> 2:16:09.120 like a living structure. Someone on a building screen in 2:16:09.240 --> 2:16:14.200 and realized they hadn't built a place to sleep, and 2:16:14.280 --> 2:16:17.560 he was like, and you bought that place? Yeah, he's 2:16:17.560 --> 2:16:22.120 like I was forgetting some four barnes and no place 2:16:22.160 --> 2:16:24.760 to sleep. And Steve was like one days like where 2:16:24.760 --> 2:16:29.240 do you where do you keep all your clothes in 2:16:29.400 --> 2:16:33.879 one of the barns? Uh? So what Kevin? Real quick? 2:16:33.920 --> 2:16:36.120 What's um? What? What? What can we look ahead to? 2:16:36.520 --> 2:16:38.080 What was the next thing to come out cool at 2:16:38.080 --> 2:16:42.840 first lighting was Cow's prototype jacket? You got one too, Johnny? 2:16:42.920 --> 2:16:46.840 I think, can I tell people about um, I've been 2:16:46.879 --> 2:16:50.440 wearing a coat. Yeah, and there's a there's a thing 2:16:50.480 --> 2:16:53.959 about it that you would notice from the ways off. Yeah, 2:16:54.240 --> 2:16:56.400 we've been. We've been sharing that on social a little bit, 2:16:56.440 --> 2:16:59.480 I think a little bit. But I think to tell 2:16:59.520 --> 2:17:01.280 me what I'm talk well, I don't know if I 2:17:01.360 --> 2:17:06.320 can yet. The thing that starts with G Yeah, we haven't. 2:17:06.760 --> 2:17:09.240 We haven't technically released any of that stuff yet. You know, 2:17:10.280 --> 2:17:12.920 I think I have no doubt. Yeah, so you know 2:17:13.000 --> 2:17:16.440 you're not saying people, Oh there's a there's just you know, 2:17:16.600 --> 2:17:19.959 some teasers on social across the across the internets, little 2:17:20.040 --> 2:17:23.959 easter eggs. Yeah, exactly. We'll be releasing all that stuff 2:17:24.000 --> 2:17:27.760 the first part of January, so we're close. Folks gotta wait, 2:17:27.800 --> 2:17:32.480 like you know, couple when they hear this, uh, it'll 2:17:32.520 --> 2:17:35.360 be out. So just tell them, Oh, really, when's this 2:17:35.480 --> 2:17:45.240 coming out? January? Sometime people be all drunk. Yeah, the 2:17:45.240 --> 2:17:47.360 next day, wh everybody gets drunk. That's right. We're heading 2:17:47.360 --> 2:17:48.880 in the show season now, so we're gonna be all 2:17:48.920 --> 2:17:53.879 over the place wrapping the wares. Good. Oh, you know, 2:17:53.920 --> 2:17:57.520 we got a thing coming up. What's that? There's a 2:17:57.560 --> 2:18:02.000 sports show that's right in Portland, Portland, Oregon. Yeah, we'll 2:18:02.040 --> 2:18:04.160 be there. Yeah. Well we're going and doing a big, 2:18:04.160 --> 2:18:13.200 old gigantic book signing. Um me cal Sam, Sam, Danielle Nice. Yeah, 2:18:13.640 --> 2:18:15.560 we're gonna go to your booth. Are you gonna be there, 2:18:15.600 --> 2:18:17.840 I'll be there. Oh yeah, I'm going to everything. Man, 2:18:18.400 --> 2:18:20.800 I'll be traveling the country. You gotta pay for all 2:18:20.800 --> 2:18:23.280 that hunting. I know. It's uh. I looked at the 2:18:23.320 --> 2:18:26.080 schedule last week and it's a little daunting, but shows 2:18:27.160 --> 2:18:28.840 a lot of shaking hands. I'm into it though, would 2:18:28.840 --> 2:18:34.520 be fun. Get some hand sanitized, a lot of airports, airports, um, 2:18:34.879 --> 2:18:37.360 so people can find out what's happening there. Then yeah, yeah, 2:18:37.400 --> 2:18:40.160 we're gonna start releasing all this stuff for and um, 2:18:40.200 --> 2:18:41.680 a lot of good things in the works for sure. 2:18:41.720 --> 2:18:44.720 You guys had a great year, man, awesome year. Yeah, 2:18:44.760 --> 2:18:48.080 it's great year. First light dot com, first light dot com. 2:18:48.160 --> 2:18:53.680 Come check us out, big year, giant year. That's good man, 2:18:53.720 --> 2:18:58.480 it's exciting. Appreciate that enormous here. Yeah, trying to think 2:18:58.560 --> 2:19:03.800 up some more. It's you customer service because if you 2:19:03.879 --> 2:19:06.240 if you're kind of confused at first light dot com, 2:19:06.320 --> 2:19:09.000 there's a lot to take in. There are lots of layers. 2:19:09.040 --> 2:19:12.280 You can call and talk to an actual actual hum 2:19:12.680 --> 2:19:16.680 oh yeah, these human hunter hunter human and get some 2:19:17.000 --> 2:19:20.680 uh you know, yeah, they're like they're like the awesomest 2:19:20.760 --> 2:19:23.840 dudes are like, I've been fortunate enough to get there. 2:19:23.879 --> 2:19:26.160 They are some badass dudes and they get after to 2:19:26.240 --> 2:19:27.600 you know, like if you if you're at the office 2:19:27.600 --> 2:19:29.800 at five oh one, it's like the door swing and 2:19:29.800 --> 2:19:31.840 everybody's like out the door. You know, we got a 2:19:31.879 --> 2:19:35.720 guy that tries it because they're out honey. Oh, we 2:19:35.800 --> 2:19:41.440 got a guy that runs trail runs after in uh dude, yeah, 2:19:41.560 --> 2:19:43.760 oh he does. He'll leave the office in his trail 2:19:43.840 --> 2:19:48.080 running gear with a bow in hand, shut and run 2:19:48.080 --> 2:19:50.120 into his own and make it by the time that 2:19:50.240 --> 2:19:53.640 the Golden Hour is incredible. He's a machine. Oh yeah, 2:19:55.600 --> 2:19:58.040 I was privy to some. Um, I was privy to 2:19:58.160 --> 2:20:02.800 some like composite customer feedback stuff about first one showing 2:20:02.800 --> 2:20:06.320 me and people there's a universal thing of people describing 2:20:07.080 --> 2:20:11.400 um a aha moment around the customer service. Yeah. I 2:20:11.400 --> 2:20:14.080 think that is a pretty well well spread. Those guys 2:20:14.080 --> 2:20:16.440 are dialed and it's it's interesting too because a lot 2:20:16.440 --> 2:20:20.240 of in large companies, you fifty sixty people customer service. 2:20:20.240 --> 2:20:23.280 These guys are four to six dudes per day that 2:20:23.560 --> 2:20:25.920 use our stuff every day. You know, they're they're out 2:20:25.920 --> 2:20:27.440 in and every day. Whether it's skiing in the winter, 2:20:27.760 --> 2:20:30.240 elk cutting in the fall, duck hunting, whatever you name it, 2:20:30.320 --> 2:20:32.720 they're using it. So yelling at your wife, yeah, well, 2:20:32.840 --> 2:20:35.360 not a lot of married guys that yet. They're all 2:20:35.400 --> 2:20:39.879 single dudes running the hills. Mary did the woods. So 2:20:39.920 --> 2:20:41.560 they answered the phone and like, what exactly is the 2:20:41.600 --> 2:20:48.360 problem let me. That's right. It is a good trailer 2:20:48.400 --> 2:20:54.640 running stuff though too nice. Yeah, I wouldn't. Did you 2:20:54.920 --> 2:20:57.240 did you give Maggie temper? Maggie, we come from the 2:20:57.280 --> 2:20:59.480 same place we do. Oh so you help them out? 2:21:00.280 --> 2:21:01.879 You're throwing to him because you guys are from the 2:21:01.879 --> 2:21:09.640 same zone. We made the connection. Nice. The last question, Phil, 2:21:09.640 --> 2:21:13.480 you're getting all you getting jealous? Yeah? I think looking 2:21:13.480 --> 2:21:15.520 around this room, I am the only person in here 2:21:16.160 --> 2:21:19.279 who has yet to shoot a deer or gone hunting 2:21:19.280 --> 2:21:21.440 at all. Have you think about doing some hunters safety? Yeah? No, 2:21:21.560 --> 2:21:23.560 I think I think Ben, Ben, Ben and I are 2:21:23.600 --> 2:21:26.800 going to do some stuff next year. So what do 2:21:26.840 --> 2:21:29.320 you do the hunter safety soon? I think in the 2:21:29.320 --> 2:21:31.879 next couple of months, hopefully if we can find a 2:21:32.360 --> 2:21:35.039 there's a field day component that sounds like a lot 2:21:35.040 --> 2:21:38.280 of fun. That's not a requirement, which okay, I didn't 2:21:38.280 --> 2:21:41.800 mind all in one day. Oh no, the field day 2:21:41.879 --> 2:21:49.400 is not required. So I think when I'm gonna throw 2:21:49.440 --> 2:21:51.360 out on the table right now, is um should we 2:21:51.400 --> 2:21:54.600 take bets on if Ben is going to be a 2:21:56.200 --> 2:22:00.960 take your time or exactly what's the pro I think 2:22:00.959 --> 2:22:04.480 you'll be worse than Steve. I think so I'm gonna 2:22:04.520 --> 2:22:07.360 put my money on the most patient. I think Ben 2:22:07.440 --> 2:22:11.520 is like, well, I've hunted with Bend until it's on. 2:22:12.840 --> 2:22:14.520 He might have a little bit of a problem, like 2:22:15.240 --> 2:22:17.480 we're going turkey hunting, he might shoot the turkey that 2:22:17.760 --> 2:22:22.640 you might want to shoot. Yeah, this sounds a little 2:22:22.680 --> 2:22:29.959 too specific. Patient, say you're spot anyway, so you'll do 2:22:30.040 --> 2:22:33.120 hunter safety and you you'll get after it in the spring. Yeah, 2:22:33.400 --> 2:22:35.640 I think so. I think that's a plan. I think 2:22:35.680 --> 2:22:39.680 turkeys are an awesome way to immerse yourself into this world. 2:22:40.240 --> 2:22:43.240 I feel grateful that that was my first introduction. It 2:22:43.280 --> 2:22:48.280 primes you. Yeah, get a lot of encounters. Yes, alright, well, um, 2:22:48.400 --> 2:22:51.119 when it happens, Phil, you'll be here anyway. Yeah, because 2:22:51.120 --> 2:22:57.720 you're the engineer, whether you have to schedule, Um, okay 2:22:58.080 --> 2:23:02.600 everyone until next year. Thank you, guys. Probably be that 2:23:02.600 --> 2:23:05.760 good to have a show about everybody's second year. I'm 2:23:05.760 --> 2:23:09.720 gant to think of something different. Well first, oh, i 2:23:09.760 --> 2:23:14.039 think we're going in January. Actually, who me and Kyle 2:23:14.240 --> 2:23:19.280 and Anna, this girl Anna are going I think so 2:23:19.600 --> 2:23:21.280 let us know how it goes. I want to do 2:23:21.320 --> 2:23:24.440 the Beaver thing. I can't even call this episode what 2:23:24.480 --> 2:23:32.000 exactly is the problem. I would love to go beaver trapping. 2:23:32.240 --> 2:23:38.320 Really yeah, that interests me. Dude, don't even worry about it. 2:23:39.000 --> 2:23:40.920 I'll put you on the calendar. I would love to 2:23:40.920 --> 2:23:46.440 do that. Good deal. Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you,