1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Ron Andanien. Hey, we're just trying to fix cars and 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: share what's inside my head before I forget the rest 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: of it, and um tell you what's going on and 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: how to resolve that thing in the driveway you call 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: an automobile that we call. Oh boy's got a cart 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: rot hal floor, four broken windows, torn up the car 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: The Car Doctor tomorrow, Cleveland one and nine. That's the 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: prediction I've I've consulted, I've consulted the crystal Ball. Welcome 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: to the radio home of Ron and Aian the Car Doctor. 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: Since this is where car owners the world overturned to 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: call in the garage doors are open, but I am 14 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: here to take your calls at A five five five 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: and now running. Hey, hey, welcome money nating the car 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: Doctor eight five five five zero nine zero zero. 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That's all this radio 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: shows about, and it's all it's ever been about, and 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: all whatever will be about is I'm just trying to 41 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: find the best solution to the problems that just you know, 42 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: every time we fix one, ten more problems come up. 43 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: Because we're driving giant computers, and that's really the name 44 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: of the game. Two thousand one was probably a great year. 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: I don't remember it too well. There's a lot of 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: things that happened in my life in two thousand one 47 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: as well as yours nine eleven. Um uh, you know, 48 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: there was a TV show and things like that. There 49 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: was also moving the shop in two thousand one, two 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: thousand two. But I think two thousand one for me 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: after this week will make me think back at how 52 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: it's it's the simple things that help you fix a car. 53 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: Two thou fifty come into the shop at Ari at 54 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: a motive this weekend. It had been around the mill. 55 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: Everybody had worked on and picked that it, poked at it, 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: and done their thing. It had an expired New Jersey 57 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: inspection sticker from June of twenty fifteen, so that's about 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: a year and a half in my book. And nobody 59 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: was able to figure out why this engine had a 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: misfire on cylinder number seven, which kind of boggles my mind. 61 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: Maybe they couldn't find number seven, Maybe they couldn't count 62 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: that high without taking off Now I guess their hands 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: would give them more than seven digits, but I'm not 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: really sure what the problem was. Carying a misfire P 65 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: zero three oh seven's plans and nose on your face 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: taking around the block. This truck just didn't run worth 67 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: a hoot. It had limited mileage on. It had seventeen thousand, 68 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: eight d ninety six miles on. It was a two 69 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: thousand one. Do the math. It's gone like a thousand 70 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: miles a year, and for the most part for the 71 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: last year and a half that the owner was, well, 72 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: I can just drive it locally and slowly, and I'm 73 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: not really going far and it's only a little miss 74 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: and nobody ever pulls me over. I you know, I 75 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: don't get too many looks at it. But now the 76 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: inspection stickers getting to be quite old, and I've got 77 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: to do something. I don't know. It was pretty basic 78 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, I had a P zero three or seven. 79 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: I pulled the coil out, took the well. Actually, first 80 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: things first, obviously, I did scan it for codes. I 81 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: did a couple of things. I scanned for codes um 82 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: and then using my launch x one pro my scan tool. 83 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: The night. The the neat thing about launches they emulate 84 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: factory software and contained within it they had the forward 85 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: running compression test test which I was able to do 86 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: and verify that mechanical compression was good. And I then 87 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: ran around. There was a little there's a and it 88 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: was the neatest little thing. I purchased it from the 89 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: boys over a technician service training from Jerry Truly in 90 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: the group. It was about three d bucks. It's a 91 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: small handheld device. I can't think of the name of 92 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: the brand. I'll have to get it up on Facebook. 93 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: And it basically it's a it's a it's a it's 94 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: a little pocket scope with an inductive pickup. And went around. 95 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: I tapped the top of each coil, firing, firing, firing, firing, 96 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: but a real short burn time. And gee, where's the 97 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: issue is that the coil? Is it? The plug took 98 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: the coil out, which I kind of knew it was 99 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: going to be the coil of the plug on number 100 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: seven because it was the hardest spark plug to get to. 101 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: It always is. It was buried under the fuel pressure 102 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: rig you later on the driver's side. But I took 103 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: the coil and I swapped it with a different coil, 104 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: and I pulled the plug out, thinking I would swap 105 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: the plug with another plug. And I'm looking at it, 106 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: and I'm just you know, geez that a crack? Is 107 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: that a crack in the porcelain? And I'm dragging my 108 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: thumbnail across it, just looking to see if I scratch it, 109 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: what does it look like? Sure enough, a crack in 110 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: the porcelain. Change the plug, put it back together, scoped 111 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: it again. The coil from number seven was now showing 112 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: a seventy five thousand vault kV spike where the others 113 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: were running normally around thirty. Pulled it back out, looked 114 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: at it. Couldn't see a reason why. Popped another coil 115 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: and it's fixed. Truck never ran so good now part 116 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: of the repair I figured two thousand one seventeen thousand miles. 117 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: Let me get out four ideas, the four dealer level 118 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: tool and start to look at software files. And just 119 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 1: about every module on the truck, as you can imagine, 120 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: was required to be updated. And there was a couple 121 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: of calibration update files for the PCM, there were some 122 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: that were over on top of each other. Did all 123 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: those and darned if that truck doesn't run great, and 124 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: darned if that truck doesn't run better than it ever did. 125 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: And the point of it was a year and a 126 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: half countless efforts, everything from you need a catalytic converter 127 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: to an engine, to a bad cylinder, to a mass 128 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: airflow sensor to and so on. And it was just basics, man, 129 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: Just just follow the basics. Just use that thing between 130 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: your ears God gave you, and think about it a 131 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: little bit, you know. Um, like my college professor said, 132 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: keep it simple, sir. And UM there's another abbreviation for that, 133 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: but we don't use that here on air because I don't. 134 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't like that. UM. But any event, so UM, listen. 135 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes the hardest problems are fixed by the simplest solutions. 136 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: And you know, it's my question the back of my 137 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: mind is what cracked the porcelain on the spark plug 138 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: because it was the external rib. I'm wondering is it 139 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: was a thermal shock? Was it from hot to cold somehow? 140 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: It's seventeen thousand miles. Um, you know, short trips doesn't 141 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: get used a lot. I mean, we'll never know. UM. 142 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: I did make a recommendation to do all a plug 143 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: something the customer's gonna think about. But um, and I 144 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: should point out to that. Two thousand one, two thousand two, three, 145 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: that generation four trucks with the five four L motor. 146 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: That was the one where the spark plug threads are 147 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: one thread short. Yet that I did I tell you 148 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: this one. The spark plug threads are one thread short. 149 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: The engineers decided they would save two tents of a 150 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: cent and not put all the threads on there. So 151 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: if you're not careful and you don't tighten the plugs, 152 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: this is the one that the spark plugs blow out 153 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: of the head. So changing plugs if you I guess 154 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: nobody would at this point, but you never know. If 155 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: you've got original plugs in your motor and it's you know, 156 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: one of those, there's a great, big advance. It's a 157 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: changing spark plugs because the updated spark plugs do have 158 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: the extra thread, the longer thread, and that one extra 159 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: thread makes all the difference in the world and preventing 160 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: thread failure in the plug coming out of the head, 161 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: which is just Jesus. We can't even make spark plugs 162 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: staying engines. How bad is this? And you look at 163 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: this industry and you say, why is it the shape 164 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: it's in so but look at the simple and you know, 165 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: just uh, just just think of it like that, and 166 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: I promise after the show today, UM, I will post 167 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: up on Facebook. I'm gonna post a couple of things 168 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: this weekend. I want to get the CAV the handheld 169 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: CAV Pro, because if you're looking for a tool, it's 170 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: a General Pacific or General Instruments. I can't think of 171 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: their name. It's it's like a three scope that's really 172 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: for a handheld ignition analyzer and it works on everything. 173 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: It's a really great tool. And I want to post 174 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: up the pictures. I have pictures from the two thousand 175 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: seven Nissan Xterra that we did timing chains on last 176 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: night and how it works way through the guides. So 177 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: if you're a Nissan owner and you want to know 178 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: why your engine sounds like it's it's got a wine, 179 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: why it sounds a little bit like it's a supercharger 180 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: and it's not, you want to see these pictures because 181 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: it's staggering how it wore away over a quarter of 182 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: an inch of nylon, and um, that's how the change 183 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: fall off and the engines bend, and you've got a 184 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: big piece of junk in your driveway. So well, you 185 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: might have a big piece of junk in your driveway 186 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: now you just don't know it. Then again, buying a 187 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: new car just means you've earned the right to throat 188 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: away one piece at a time. But let's not go 189 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: down that Let's not go down that path because we 190 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: want to try and stay positive and upbeat today. Then 191 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: all those negative emails start coming in. Let's pull over 192 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: and take the pause. Five five zero nine zero Ronna 193 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 1: needing of the car doctor cruising back? Right after this 194 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: sitting time to back, real light yellow land to stand 195 00:09:52,600 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: out on Welcome back, aren't the car doctor cruising along? 196 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: Let's get over and talk to Robin and Alexandrea Bay 197 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: the two thousand saturny list to Robin, Welcome to the 198 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: car doctor. How can I help um? Well, I was 199 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: driving my car at fifty five and it just quicks 200 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: and we lost all my power, and so I pulled 201 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: over and my husband has one of those little scan 202 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: tools and he came and checked it and it was 203 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: reading a cam shaft censor. So he thought, well, we'll 204 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: change that. That's not too bad right here inside the road. 205 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: So we did that, did nothing changed nothing. So we 206 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: towed it to the shop and they had it for 207 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: an hour or so and they said that the timing 208 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: belt had gone and that it took out the engine. Okay, 209 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: so your question to me is I'm sorry, And your 210 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: question to me is why the belt break? Question? Well, no, 211 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: my question is is that possible that timing belt could 212 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: actually take out an engine? Sure? Absolutely? This is the 213 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: three leader, This is the three leader German motor if 214 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: I remember right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, very possible. Um, very possible. 215 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: So I mean, the simple, the simple answer is, um, 216 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: did they you know? And I mean there's always a chance, 217 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: but you know, what sort of test did they do 218 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: that They just say, oh, the timing belt broke and 219 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: that's taken out the engine. Or are they saying that 220 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: they put are you saying that they put a belt 221 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: on it still doesn't start? Oh? No, no, no, they 222 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: didn't know what they did. Was they the sensor that 223 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: my husband put on? They said, they keep it off 224 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: and they could tell by looking in that little hole 225 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: that the belt had broke. Well, we we took it 226 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: off and look and we could not see anything. Mean, 227 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: we couldn't determine whether there was that's where the belt 228 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: was actually supposed to be or not. Let me let 229 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: me ask you this Robin, you've been driving the car 230 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: for so long, I'm sure you know the sound when 231 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: you turn the key. Does the engine sound like it's 232 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: cranking faster than normal? It sounds normal to you. It 233 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: sounds exactly Yeah, it sounds exactly the same. Is this 234 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: your regular mechanic where the car is? Uh? No, the 235 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: car is back in my driveway now right there. We 236 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: go to them for like tires and breaks and inspections 237 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But we had two vehicles breakdown 238 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: in the same week, and both vehicles came back from 239 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: their shops stating they both needed an engine. M hm. 240 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: My question is I mean, listen, it could, but what 241 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: you're really what you're really telling me is you don't 242 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: have confidence in their repair or in their diagnosis. And 243 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,239 Speaker 1: I think at this point somebody really needs to diagnose 244 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: one or the other or both. And you know, you know, 245 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: part of that would be if the engine doesn't sound 246 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: spinning fast, the reason it would sound funny. Usually the 247 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: complaint is, you know, the timing belt broke and Ron, 248 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: Now my engine, it sounds funny. It sounds like it's 249 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: cranking instead of woo, it's it's a little bit of 250 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: a higher pitch. No, it's not doing that at all, Okay, 251 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: And trust me, Tom will put that in the highlight 252 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: reels for next week's open. I know we will. Um. 253 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: And when I did call the GM dealer to talk 254 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: to them about, um, you know, what the diagnostic would cost, 255 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: and what it would cost me if it was a 256 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: timing beout, YadA, YadA, And they asked me if I 257 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: heard any unusual noises and like, I guess it has 258 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: a chain. I thought it was a timing belt. But 259 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: GM is telling me it's a chain. And I heard 260 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: no noises when my pair quit. When it cut out 261 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: and stopped, I mean I lost all power. There was 262 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: no there was no like thrashing or anything like that 263 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: that would tell you that something had snapped right. Well, 264 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: and whether it's chain or belt, if it sounds like 265 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: it's cranking normally, you know, my question is, okay, what 266 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: makes them think it's what makes them think it's one 267 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: or the other or both or whatever the case might be. Um, 268 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: you know it's Did they charge it for the diagnosis? God, 269 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: I hope not. Oh yeah, it was like a hundred 270 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: forty dollars and the GM dealers that it's like and 271 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: they do an extensive diagnostics. So I guess I should 272 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: have just told it there in the first you know what, 273 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: let's tell let's tell it to the GM dealer for 274 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: a hundred bucks. What's another hundred bucks at this point? Right, See, 275 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: that's what I was figuring, you know. And and you know, 276 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: just tell your husband you're not going out to eat 277 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: for the next three nights. And um, you're gonna get 278 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: the car diagnosed. It's got to be. It's at least 279 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: you'll have peace of mind, all right, right, I mean, 280 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: I just hate to send it to the junk yard 281 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: because it's on on it right, it's not it's not 282 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: the plastic body, saturn, It's it's metal. It's steel. Right, 283 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: she doesn't have any rust. I mean, I love the car. 284 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: We just put the summer. You know what, I've I've 285 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: wasted more than a hundred dollars or the clip in 286 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: my lifetime on numerous occasions. So you know what, for 287 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: a hundred bucks, it's worth the shot, all right. Um. 288 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: The one the one comment I will make, however, is 289 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: I always play the what if game. If we were 290 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: standing at the counter at the shop and you were 291 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: you had the car towed in and I didn't know you, 292 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: and you know a ran, can you do this? I'd 293 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: be like Robin, I'll diagnose it, all right, and you 294 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: know whether whether it's a timing chain, an engine, a 295 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: fuel pump or whatever. Okay, let's call it a thousand 296 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: dollar repair just for giggles. All right, let's say it's 297 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: a thousand bucks. Would you would you put a thousand 298 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: dollars into that car? See that's where I'm at. Where's 299 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: your If it would have been just like a sensor 300 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: or something like that, I probably would say yes. But 301 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: there is sixteen years old, and even though it doesn't 302 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: have very many miles on it and the party is 303 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: in really really good shape, they said a timing beout 304 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: would be well, and here's here's my argument against Saturn. Okay, 305 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: the problem I have with fixing anything on a Saturn 306 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: over a hundred bucks. So it's a good thing that 307 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: deal is only charging because at a hundred and one, 308 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: I'd have to think about this, um is it's an 309 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: obsolete car. The car line doesn't exist. It's been gone 310 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: for what how long has Saturn gone? Now? Six years? 311 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: Seven years? So you know I think you're you know, 312 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: seven years this car is clearly at the point where 313 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: I can't get parts for car seven years old or older, 314 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: a car that's a car that's twelve years older, or 315 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: or you know, I'm sorry, sixteen years old. You know 316 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: what I put six When I put sixteen hundred dollars 317 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: into this? Uh no, you know, yeah, I would have 318 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: to think twice. I'd have to because here's the problem. 319 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: Here's the what if game. You're ready to play. What if? 320 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: What's not right? Robin? Your car needs your car needs 321 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: sixteen hundred dollars of widgets? And you go, okay, fix it? 322 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: And I always say, and what if three months from 323 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: now the transmission fail? Else, what would you do? And 324 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: the answer is right? So you know. So it's however, however, 325 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: if you don't give it to the dealer for worth 326 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: a diagnosis, all right, I guarantee you every day from 327 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: now for the next three years, it's gonna haunt you. Right, 328 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: because it's human nature. You want to know what you're 329 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: dealing with. So I say, spend the hundred bucks. Why 330 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: not spind the wheel, take the shot. You never know, 331 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: at the very least, if they tell you it's something 332 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: other than the timing chain, you'll get back your hundred 333 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: dollars from the other shot that couldn't diagnose it. With 334 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: the extra forty dollars, you can take your husband out 335 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: the dinner at a fast food place. Robin, good luck 336 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: to you. I'm Ronanini and the car doctor. I'll be 337 00:18:51,280 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: back right after this. I don't want to come in. 338 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: I like this song. I want the chef. Welcome back, chef, 339 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: hey running any of the car welcome on. Now. This 340 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: is a great open wait, wait for it, it's coming. 341 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: This is the best part I see if Tom went 342 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: all the way here it comes. Yeah, okay, it goes away. 343 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: See you You cut out the best part Tom where 344 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: it comes out with that baa boom. But anyway, modify that, 345 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: give me come out with the bump, you know. One 346 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: of one one of the funniest scenes on TV. This 347 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: is unrelated to the cars, but tough. One of the 348 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: funniest scenes on TV is that episode of Two and 349 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: a half Men where they're all sitting around the apartment 350 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: lamenting about being single and alone without wives and girlfriends, 351 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: and Charlie goes out and he comes back a half 352 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: hour later after his girlfriend throws him out, and the 353 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: four actors I can't think of their characters. But it's Alan, 354 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: the pizza delivery guy, the football player, and um oh, 355 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: who is the tall actor that married Alan's wife? Um 356 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: the guy who was on whose line is it? Anyway? 357 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: The comedian and they're all sitting there and they're all 358 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: they're all um doing barbershop harmony of Shaft, the theme 359 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: from Shift. That is the funniest scene. I laugh every time. Anyway, 360 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: This Car Do is a show about cars. But you know, yeah, 361 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: let's say we need a fourth, so we're gonna have 362 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: to get somebody into uh to be the tenor Lucy. Yeah, 363 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: that'll work. Let's get on over and talk to Matt 364 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: and Columbus Ohio. Mad I'm sorry you had to hear that, 365 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: but um, you know, sometimes I just go up on tangents. 366 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: How can I help you today, sir Ron, thanks for 367 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: taking my call. Dodgs Monico. And what I'm trying to 368 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: do is replace the fuel tank which is leaking, and 369 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: the fuel line, which is someone had just put like 370 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: a five sixteen rubber pose for a fuel line, so 371 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to replace that. And um, my question is 372 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: on the fuel tank, there are there are three inlets 373 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: in the fuel tank. There's a feed going to the engine, 374 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: and then there's another one which I'm guessing as a 375 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: return line, and then there's another one on top. Is 376 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: this is this carburetted lean burn or is this was 377 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: this injected in? I'm trying to remember. So it's carburetted 378 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: run uh And whoever had the car before me had 379 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: they put in Edelbrock and a new intake on it. 380 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: It's a fog block engine, Okay, and you go ahead. Yeah, 381 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, um, how I should row 382 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: this fuel system with the with the return line. And 383 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what that that third hole 384 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: in the fuel tank that this four? Do you think 385 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: it's factory, Matt, No, it's definitely not. The fuel tank 386 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: is factory. The fuel lines are definitely not what it 387 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: looks like they've been torn out long ago. I'm not 388 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: sure what so somebody so somebody, so somebody modified it 389 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: and added this. Yeah, but that's the original tank looks 390 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: to be original, Okay, So, and I'm not sure what 391 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what size line I should feed the 392 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: engine with and in what sidelines should I use a 393 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: different size for return line? You know, it's it's it's 394 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: it's for a carburetor. You you're just gonna make this 395 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: a four. You're gonna leave it as a four hundred. 396 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: Just you're gonna put up what are you gonna do 397 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: for induction? You're gonna take the edel Brock off. You're 398 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: gonna put a factory set up back on it. Try 399 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: and find that a You're just gonna put a four 400 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: barrel manifold with something else on it and be done. 401 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave the two barrel h edel Brock that's 402 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: on it, Okay. I'm gonna try to leave that on it. Okay. 403 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: So you know, five sixteens fuel line should be more 404 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: than enough as far as a feed and a return. 405 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: Make do what do whatever? Do whatever is comfortable, all right, 406 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: simply because the return is not gonna matter if you 407 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: make them both five sixteens. If you have too big 408 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: of a return line, I don't see a harm in that, 409 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: all right. Um My question my question is where does 410 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: the return return from. I don't think I've ever seen 411 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: a carburetor with a return line on it. That was 412 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: my question too. Uh yeah, I you know, unless well 413 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: unless it went to the fuel pump. I guess it 414 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: would have come to the pump. What does the pump 415 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: have Where does the return line go? Does it go 416 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: to the mechanical pump or pump? And it's just a 417 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: basic mechanical pump, just pumps from the tank to the return. 418 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: Could could there are filters? They're they're filter? Is that 419 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: there's three novels on them and I was guessing that 420 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: the third one is for a return Okay, maybe maybe 421 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: that's it? What is it a frame? What is it 422 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: a frame mounted filter? Uh? Not really? It's okay, So 423 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: the filter, if I remember right, factory wasn't the filter? Gosh, 424 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: seventy five? I graduated high school in seventy four, So 425 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: we're going back a little bit here. Fills Um, If 426 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: I remember, right, was it the filter for this under 427 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: the hood, and there was a return line coming off 428 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: the filter and it went back that way? There is 429 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: a set? Yeah? Okay, so well then let's try it. 430 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: Let's listen. You know what fuel pressure? Fuel pressure? All right? Um? 431 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: If if I would try and keep this simple, I 432 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: wouldn't overcomplicate this, all right, And the first thing I 433 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: would do is, if I have the option, I would 434 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: run the engine on a single feed, no return and 435 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: cap the two lines at the tank and see what happens. 436 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: Put a filter on it with it in and out. 437 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: Maybe you don't need it, Maybe you don't need a 438 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: return line. I'm not sure what the engineers were thinking 439 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: at that point, you know, trying to emulate a mission 440 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: controls from may not have any value at this point 441 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: in the game. It's not a it's not a stock carburetor, 442 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: it's not a factory set up at this point. Correct, 443 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm making an assumption. Yeah, yeah, right, you know, we 444 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: we know, we know a five sixteens fuel line with 445 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: a fuel pump that delivers between three and six p 446 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: s I is going to get it to run. What 447 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: we don't know, all right, What we don't know is 448 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: are you going to have any issues with fuel boil off, 449 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: heat soak and hot restart and issues like that in 450 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: hot days? But you may have that with a mechanical 451 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: pump regardless, okay. And perhaps the return line. They were 452 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: trying to use the return like they are on newer 453 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: cars to help cool down the fuel temp in the 454 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: tank by putting a cooler fluid in it, routing along 455 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: the frame wheel frame rail and using it like a 456 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: miniature radiator convection give off the heat exchange type of 457 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: an issue. All right, But before we get too complicated, 458 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't it make sense just to let's just make an 459 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: in and out and be done with it and see 460 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, that's what I was gonna do. You know, 461 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: you you you can't go wrong with simple man, you know, 462 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: and and then you know you may have to just 463 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: saying um, because part of the issue is let me 464 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: let me tell you the story this way. A friend 465 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: of mine has an eighty six eight seven eighty seven 466 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: GMC suburban with a big block in it, and we're 467 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: still working on solving his fuel april problem. That we've 468 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: actually put an electric pump in and replaced the mechanical 469 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: pumps because we're finding that none of the mechanical pumps 470 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: from the manufacturers seemed to work well with today's fuel. 471 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: The the the boil off rate has changed a lot 472 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: in thirty years, so in forty years, you can imagine, 473 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, we're dealing with a whole different clientele. Um 474 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: Jeff found out. We we found out an electric pump 475 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: in conjunction with the mechanical pump running the electric pump 476 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: at a very low volume worked now again, big block, 477 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: a lot of underhood temperature, big exhaust pipes, a lot 478 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: of chassis temperature. A lot of factors are affecting this, okay, 479 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: and created this situation. I don't know that you're gonna 480 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: have that. And I'm not saying do an electric pump yet. 481 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm just saying start small, and think your way around 482 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: the circumference of the problem, and just take it one 483 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: step at a time and write down everything. This work, 484 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: this work, this work, this worked, and go from there. Right. 485 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: If it were mine, I'd run five sixteen line. I'd 486 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: make it as pretty as I could temporarily. I wouldn't 487 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: worry about a return. I just put a good filter 488 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: in it, drive it and see what happens. Yeah, that 489 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yep. You know, Um this this was a 490 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: lean burn car at one point, wasn't it? Or was 491 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: it not? I'm I'm really not sure. Um, what do 492 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: you have for an air cleaner? Just just an Edelbrock 493 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: air sits on top of the carburetor. Is there a 494 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: bunch of wiring harness somewhere that you don't know where 495 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: these connectors go there? That's a good question. Uh. Yeah, 496 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: there's there's lots of wiring and and vacuum tubes which 497 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: are I'm not really but I'm thinking a lot of 498 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: them are for the admission. Uh did the admissions mostly 499 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: vacuum tubes or I don't know where they go? Actually 500 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: not really wiring, that's that can think. Uh, if you 501 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: find you know, if you find a couple of I 502 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: don't remember the exact number, twelve eighteen gang connector harnesses 503 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: up around the top of the air cleaner area and 504 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: you don't know where they went. And this was a 505 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: lean burn car back in the day, and you know 506 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: that's you're never going to find a connection. I remember 507 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,239 Speaker 1: when that was. That was that was mid seventies somewhere. Um, 508 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: but listen, it's an internal combustion engine. Keep it simple, 509 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: make it simple, keep it simple. It'll go simple. Period. 510 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: So let's start small and work our way out, all right, sir, 511 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna try things. All right. If you 512 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: need me, you know where to find me. Zero nine zero, 513 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: Good talking to you. I'll run on any of the 514 00:29:37,760 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: car doctor and I'll be back right after this. Welcome back. 515 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: Why don't need the car doctor, zero nine zero zero. 516 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: Remember that phone number? Eight five five five zero nine 517 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: zero zero seven. Car doctor, I was always there. You 518 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: can leave a message and we will call you back 519 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: and get you in the lineup for the next live show. 520 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Saturday's two to four two in Eastern time. So but anyway, Um, yeah, 521 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: Tony is saying hooray. So Tony is anticipating the Giants 522 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: winning tomorrow, which isn't gonna happen. I know it's not 523 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: gonna happen. John, Tampa, Florida. I think that's Tampa, Florida. Um, 524 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: how can I help you, sir? Oh? Yeah, Um, I 525 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: got Camaro that I'm currently restoring over fifteen years and uh, 526 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: rip the motor out and that's currently being built, and uh, 527 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time with the motor mount and 528 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: the motor mounts are underneath the chassis obviously in between 529 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: the lower control arms, like kind of inside by the 530 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: lower control arms, and I'm having a hard time getting 531 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: to it. My neighbor across the way, who's kind of 532 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: an old school motor had who has been around the 533 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: racing circuit as entire life, tell me, I just don't 534 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: have the right tools. But I can't see how any 535 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: tool would be able to sit in there unless they 536 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: had like four or five different angles to it. Um 537 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: When when when you say motor mounts, John, if the 538 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: engines out of the car, Yeah, are you talking about 539 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: the rubber mount Are you talking about the pad that 540 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: the mount attaches to on the chassis? Well, there's uh, 541 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: the rubber mountains is in between like a metal housing, 542 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: and that whole thing comes off like the metal housing 543 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: with the rubber mounts inside it like it. It comes 544 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: all as one as a as a part. They don't 545 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: sell just the rubber part inside the metal housing, right, 546 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: But doesn't the motor mounts? What engine was this? It 547 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: was this the five leader carburetor to import? Well, it 548 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: was a five leader carbureted. Okay, I changed it out 549 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: to a three fifty UM, but you're still using the 550 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: same basic mounts. Well, so doesn't. The rubber mount is 551 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: rubber with a metal back, and that's three boltsed bolts 552 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: to the block and then there's a cross bolt that 553 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: goes through that mount that goes to the brace on 554 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: the frame. Right, that's yeah, So what do you brace 555 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: on the frame? Go ahead, I'm sorry, but the brace 556 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: on the frame is what is what I'm I'm looking 557 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: to replace. So you're looking to replace the brace on 558 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: the frame. That's crackt Why Uh, Well, I was told 559 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: that the rubber imagery and the braces is no longer 560 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: good and needs to be replaced. And they don't just 561 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: sell rubber part. You gotta buy the whole housing and 562 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: with the rubber. Can you take a picture of that 563 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: and email it to me? Yeah, Ron at card Doctor 564 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: show dot com. Take a couple of take a couple 565 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: of pictures. Let me see this before we definitely, Yeah, 566 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: before we before we go and reinvent the wheel here 567 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: make Swiss cheese out of mills. Sure, yeah, I'll definitely 568 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: send you a picture of that. Right, there's only three 569 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: balls holding it in and uh and uh, I can 570 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: get one of the three and that's about it. Um yeah, 571 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: send it to me from both sides. Give me his, 572 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: give me his, give me you know, don't send me fifty. 573 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: But if you give me three or four pictures different angles, 574 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: and I'll get you, I'll get you an answer of 575 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: what you're trying. I think I know what you're trying 576 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: to do, and I think you may be you may 577 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: be going the long way around the barn. But let's 578 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: find out. Because every every video I've seen, someone's had 579 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: the uh, the tool that compresses the spring for doc 580 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: right and uh and then you unbolt the two vaults 581 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: to the lower control arm and then you can access 582 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: it that way, right, And you may have to go 583 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: through that, but let me let me see what it 584 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: is we're chasing. Then we'll go from there. Ron at 585 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Show dot Com. All right, John, I gotta go. 586 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: The clock is gonna take me. All right, all right, 587 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: cool beans, alright eight zero. I'm coming back right after 588 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: this and drink. Hey, welcome back. Weren't Anny of the 589 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Boy? Where this hour kind of go from? 590 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: It just sort of rolled by, I think the way 591 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave this hour, it was an opening rant 592 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: about oil and all that that entailed, and I think 593 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: I just want to hit the points again that you 594 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: know what, I think cars today are still about maintenance, 595 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter whether you're driving a seventeen or 596 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: they still require upkeeping care. So you know what it's 597 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: I was reading this morning in the news talking about 598 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: how the the most of the United States is going 599 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: to be hit by a sub zero cold belt cold 600 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: wave for the next week, and I'll be interesting to 601 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: see how many cars don't start, and how many batteries 602 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: that are marginal that won't work, and who's anti freeze 603 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: isn't gonna be right? And you know, my point is 604 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 1: that I don't think we are taking care of cars. 605 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: You know, we're being lulled into this false sense of security, 606 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of you are just 607 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: waiting until it breaks. And I realize money is an issue, 608 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: but you know what, it's not a lot of money 609 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: to at least have some kind of a plan and 610 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: to look at maintenance. And maybe if I was going 611 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: to give you Nichols worth of free advice as I 612 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: closed this hour, it would be to get out your 613 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: records if you have any, and get out your owner's 614 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: manual if you have one, or at least go talk 615 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: to your mechanic and say, hey, what do you think 616 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: my car needs? Your trusted mechanic, I should point out 617 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: somebody that you can count on, so that you're not 618 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: counting on somebody looking to sell lawn furniture based on 619 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: Bible one furniture based on this commission, but somebody you 620 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: can trust at least have that conversation. Um, we're going 621 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: into winter, folks, people die in snowstorms, and cars that 622 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: don't start and cars that get stuck on the road 623 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: are an a dangerous situation. And you know what, just 624 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: it's about maintenance and it's about proper care. So forget this. 625 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: I want to drive the oil until it turns into 626 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: goose stuff. Uh. You know what the manufacturer says ten 627 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: thousand miles when all they're trying to do is sell 628 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: you another car in five years. So let's get out 629 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: of that. Let's get back to doing maintenance and get 630 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: back to basics. I'm on a any in the car doctor. 631 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: The mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you