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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks on a Monday, DJ Bucky

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Speaker 3: Rhett back with you boys. I mean from college football,

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Speaker 3: which we're not going to touch today. We'll get to

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Speaker 3: that tomorrow a little bit. And throughout the week, crazy

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Speaker 3: crazy weekend college football, and then the NFL ended up

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Speaker 3: having some nutso NFL games as well. Buck, What was

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Speaker 3: your h your thoughts on the weekend as a whole

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Speaker 2: One. I loved every minute of it. I loved all

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Speaker 2: the rivalry stuff, like we'll take Montario's out of there

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Speaker 2: because they got absolutely mollywop by n c State. But

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Speaker 2: there is something about watching college football games on Saturday

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Speaker 2: when the rivalries are involved. I sat there and watch

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Speaker 2: the Iron Bowl, and I'm sitting there with Uguars and like,

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Speaker 2: I have a guy who's not really a college football fan,

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Speaker 2: but I don't even know why people watched it. I

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Speaker 2: was like, man, this is why you watch it. Because

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Speaker 2: at the end he's like, it's over. There's no way

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Speaker 2: is I say, I mean, you never know what there is?

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Speaker 2: And then he throws the dime in the corner of

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Speaker 2: the end zone. Indeed, I'm sitting there like it wasn't

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Speaker 2: for the fact that I see it all the time

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Speaker 2: in high school where you just see crazy things that

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Speaker 2: Gonna lose the iron bolt on a four thirty one

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Speaker 3: But the good thing was they were spying him, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were spying, So that was good. That was

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Speaker 2: sick sick out, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you can't make a tackle from the thirty one

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Speaker 1: a field there, right. So the best part about all

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Speaker 1: of that is the is the reaction, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously the plays, the plays that decharged some crying folks

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Speaker 1: I've got Auburn family. They were at my house. My

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Speaker 1: like that's how, but that's how. Just more the reactions are,

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Speaker 1: you know, to like that week of college football, and

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Speaker 1: obviously in the NFL we saw plenty of it too,

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Speaker 1: all of it. But it was an awesome weekend to

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Speaker 3: Out, yeah to me, to me when you it was

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Speaker 3: And normally for us like college football and I'll you know,

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Speaker 3: where it's kind of it's on. We'll have the games

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Speaker 3: But that fourth and thirty one, we were all sitting

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Speaker 2: Like, what did that just happened?

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Speaker 1: That game was like unbelievable, not so stuff happens in

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Speaker 3: I feel like it was And there were several other

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Speaker 2: Washington Washington State was unbelievable, Like it was a great game.

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Speaker 2: The Apple Cup. It's always kind of contentious, but watching

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Speaker 2: You know. And then the Michigan Ohio State like the

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Speaker 3: That was that was not a great look, all right,

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Speaker 3: it was announced the Carolina Panthers for the ninety fourth

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit of an exaggeration there, but this

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Speaker 3: Frank Reik doesn't get a year. He gets eleven games

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Speaker 1: But Panthers fans are very attached to Brian Burns. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is this is I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know how it can get worse than

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Speaker 2: And before you even get to like the resources that

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Speaker 2: and a young quarterback in Bryce Young. You're trying to

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Speaker 2: I know the record isn't what anyone wanted, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: You know, And I look back at the genesis of

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Speaker 1: all agree on Bryce Young. You know, was that the

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like was can you go back? Can you now again?

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Speaker 3: So here's some of the dates on this stuff. So

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Speaker 3: He had this tweet where he was talking about things

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Speaker 3: that have happened on Tepper's watch. Here Matt Rule seven

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Speaker 3: years one hundred or seven years sixty two million dollar

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Speaker 1: You know. And I'm also looking at it like I

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Speaker 3: All these quarterbacks, all these quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Going to it's one thing to take him when you're

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Speaker 3: Take him, no doubt. But if you're going to part

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Speaker 3: He's not that you know, He's not that guy where

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Speaker 2: So Miles Garrett would be the one. Right, So Miles

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Speaker 3: That's the Kyler Murray. That's a difference with him and Kyler.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I look at you know, I think we

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Speaker 1: it's almost to me more important than finding the head

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Speaker 3: I've been beating that drum that in Panthers fans. Some

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Speaker 3: But I mean, gosh, you just you don't have you

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Speaker 3: If next year we're having this conversation and the Panthers

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Speaker 3: You've got time now to figure the rest.

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Speaker 2: Of it out.

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Speaker 3: But man, you'd hate to have to, you know, lose

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Speaker 3: a million times calling these Charger games. They lose Sunday

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Speaker 3: closer than that. It was in the fourth quarter Chargers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two thirty three when they started the drive. So,

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Speaker 3: you want to put that blame, offensive line, communication, a

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Speaker 3: it was unbelievable. I'm like, this is like watching this

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Speaker 3: But it's a I was wondering what the magic was

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Speaker 2: Look, if you want to do, if you want your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know you find a way

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Speaker 1: That helps too. And you know it figures that he

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Speaker 3: you take two Ravens? You took two Ravens. You called

434
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Speaker 3: the charger Mitchell and I took Zay Flowers. Wait a minute,

435
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Speaker 3: who took tang Dale?

436
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Speaker 1: I think you did? You did because it against your bags.

437
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I violated the code. I violated the

438
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Speaker 3: code in one. That's the only difference. He got it, Yeah,

439
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 3: he got it. He caught a buy I mean he

440
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 3: caught a bomb.

441
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then took one of the house, you know,

442
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Speaker 1: with his speed. And so I look at it is

443
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Speaker 1: it's simplicity in scheme, and it's simplicity and like, let's

444
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Speaker 1: get the ball in the hands of our most electric cleanmaker.

445
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Speaker 1: And that's what they do.

446
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Speaker 2: And they do it.

447
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Speaker 3: They do it simple on offense and complex on defense

448
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 3: because they give you a lot on either side.

449
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Speaker 1: Didn't the Chargers defense on the whole play a little

450
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Speaker 1: bit better?

451
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Speaker 3: And they played great? Yeah, they played much better. I mean, look,

452
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 3: they had them in the Ravens had literally had thirteen

453
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Speaker 3: points with two minutes left, right, I mean, that was it,

454
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: that was it. They got one late.

455
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Speaker 1: Win that game with Justin Herbert as your quarterback.

456
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Speaker 3: If you're not question, no question. And they have lost

457
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Speaker 3: so many of these games. It's their sixth game this

458
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Speaker 3: year they've lost by three or fewer points, Like so

459
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Speaker 3: I here's here's the interesting one for you. I had

460
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Speaker 3: uh and Buck. I want to get your take on this.

461
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Speaker 3: I had Lamar, I had Lamar. We had Rod Woodson,

462
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Speaker 3: our buddy, on the pregame show, and I said, Rod, look,

463
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Speaker 3: Rod Woodson, hall of famer, and people don't realize he

464
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Speaker 3: coached as well. One of the smartest football players I've

465
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Speaker 3: ever been around. I said, Rod, what do you attribute

466
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Speaker 3: all these close losses to? And it's been going on

467
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Speaker 3: for a while now, not just this year, but going back,

468
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Speaker 3: and he said, to me, that has nothing to do

469
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Speaker 3: with coaching. It was interesting. He said, there needs to

470
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Speaker 3: be a player on offense and on the defense. That's

471
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Speaker 3: the leader, that the leader that says this stops, it's over,

472
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Speaker 3: this is not happening. They taken roll, they take the reins.

473
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Speaker 3: He said. Now, he's all from the outside and he

474
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Speaker 3: does not around the Chargers, but he said, I think

475
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Speaker 3: he would Khalil Mack when he was coaching with the Raiders.

476
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Speaker 3: So he said, Khalil Mack, unbelievable player. Maybe maybe maybe

477
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Speaker 3: on his way to being a Hall of Fame player.

478
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Speaker 3: Not a vocal guy, you know, justin Herbert from the outside,

479
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Speaker 3: not not a big vocal guy, like so Joey Bosa

480
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Speaker 3: not really a big vocal guy. Derwin is kind of

481
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Speaker 3: that guy. But they were just he was just kind

482
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Speaker 3: of saying, like, who's the who stops it? Like, who

483
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Speaker 3: is the guy who stops it? And he give examples

484
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Speaker 3: of like ray Lewis and you know the great players

485
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Speaker 3: he's played with. That's it, Like that's not happening and

486
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Speaker 3: he he But it was fascinating to me that he

487
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Speaker 3: just said, this is not a coaching thing. There's a

488
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Speaker 3: player thing. When you're losing this many close games, he

489
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Speaker 3: put it on the players, which from a player I

490
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Speaker 3: thought was an interesting opinion.

491
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Speaker 2: So I will say, like we always here, and I've

492
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Speaker 2: heard the best coaches say, hey man, it's a player's game,

493
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Speaker 2: Like ultimately, our job is to give you the tools

494
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Speaker 2: and then you go play. And DJ we've talked about it.

495
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Speaker 2: Rhet has been on the pipe, we've talked about it.

496
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Speaker 2: We talked about quarterbacks who have that not over my

497
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 2: dead body mentality, or we equate it to the guy

498
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Speaker 2: that is always on pickup. You give him any four

499
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Speaker 2: but they always find a way to win. At some point.

500
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Speaker 2: Your best players have to do that, like you demand more,

501
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Speaker 2: you expect more from your best players, and so I

502
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Speaker 2: can agree with Rod in that at some point it

503
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Speaker 2: comes down to making plays. And so we saw the

504
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: conversation that Minca picked Fitzpatrick had with Terrell Austin in

505
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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh game a couple weeks ago when he's telling him,

506
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Speaker 2: you need to call this. Somebody has to be able

507
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Speaker 2: to take them rains and say, coach, just what we're doing.

508
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: We got it, we'll go fix it, we'll go make

509
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Speaker 2: you right. And until somebody does that, they'll continue to

510
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Speaker 2: have these issues.

511
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Speaker 3: Now, it's interesting, it's a fascinating case study. But again

512
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 3: we've talked about it a bunch, but that Ravens defense

513
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Speaker 3: on the biggest play of the game, they've got seven

514
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Speaker 3: hundred pounds of droppers, they've got those two bigs touching

515
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 3: and dropping off and the coverage, and they've got a

516
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: free runner coming off the edge to really ice the game,

517
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Speaker 3: win the game for him. So it is complex, it's complicated.

518
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Speaker 3: Ro Kwan Patrick queen is they're legit in the middle

519
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Speaker 3: of the defense. I don't think their secondary is great,

520
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Speaker 3: but you know, I think the safeties are really good.

521
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Speaker 3: I think corner and Martin Humphrey didn't play, but I

522
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Speaker 3: think at corner there's you know, against some some premier

523
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Speaker 3: passing team. I think they you know, That's why it's fascinating, man.

524
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Speaker 3: It's all these teams in the AFC have flaws. I mean,

525
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Speaker 3: that's the best team in the AFC right now. It's

526
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Speaker 3: not a perfect team. So it'll be interesting to see.

527
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Speaker 3: All right, Buck, how about your game Jags and Texans?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you just go from talking we were talking

529
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Speaker 2: about the best players taking over and kind of making

530
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Speaker 2: it happen. DJ. What I saw was a quarterbacking exhibition

531
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Speaker 2: between two young quarterbacks that you have to be excited about.

532
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Speaker 2: I'll talk about Trevor Lawrence first. Trevor Lawres certainly has

533
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Speaker 2: heard the outside noise. And the reason why I can

534
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Speaker 2: say that is to me, it took place at the

535
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Speaker 2: coin toss, so you know, like in the pros, it's

536
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: not really contentious when you go and shake hands or whatever.

537
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrens was short and sweet when it came to

538
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Speaker 2: shaking hands with the other team. Erva Lawrence was there

539
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 2: to stand on business and he was playing. And I

540
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Speaker 2: can tell you it is the best of these played

541
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Speaker 2: in a long time Ken Looking at.

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Speaker 1: You, I don't mean to cut you off, Buck, but

543
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Speaker 1: you know what that sounds like exactly what we were just

544
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Speaker 1: talking about. That's an over my dead body type of performance.

545
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Speaker 1: It was go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I will say this without personally talking to Trevor. Trevor

547
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Speaker 2: Lawrence went to Houston to show and prove that, hey,

548
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 2: before y'all discord me. No, I'm okay, I'm gonna do it.

549
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: And he scores a touchdown early and he starts barking

550
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Speaker 2: at the fans. That's the Trevor that I like, because

551
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Speaker 2: I saw it last year when the Jags were making

552
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Speaker 2: the playoff runt in Tennessee. In Nashville, the Jags were

553
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Speaker 2: winning and somebody was talking to him. He just pointed

554
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: to the scoreboard and walked off, and I was like, oh,

555
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: Trevor got like a little got like a little yeah him.

556
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Speaker 2: So so Trevor was on his game like that. CJ.

557
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: Stroud DJ whatever we thought CJ. Stroud was gonna be

558
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: in the draft process, we need to add five more

559
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: points to the total score because what CJ. Stroud is doing.

560
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: And now that I listen back to the commentary about

561
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Speaker 2: oh he's not athletic, he doesn't move. DJ. What he

562
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: is is he is going to be the next quarterback

563
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: that gives everybody problems because he's athletic enough to run,

564
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Speaker 2: but when he runs, his eyes are down the field

565
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: and so all he's doing he's like one of those

566
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: fairy tales with the lady that's hanging just luring you

567
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: to the line of scrimmage, and he is looking to

568
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: bring you up so he can throw it over your head.

569
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Speaker 2: He has tanked deal on a sixty five yard pass

570
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Speaker 2: that is eventually called back. But DJ he's running around,

571
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Speaker 2: Oh I'm gonna take off. I'm gonna take off. You

572
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: drop coverage and he throws a bomb And I was like, Oh,

573
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Speaker 2: that's how they're scoring all these because he is basically

574
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: doing the stuff that Pat Mahomes does. Not the same

575
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: style player, but you know how Pat Mahomes runs around,

576
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: but he's running and just kind of waiting for stuff

577
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: to crack. That's what he's doing. And he's mastered that

578
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: part of the game very early. These two young quarterbacks,

579
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: they'll be duking it out for a long time. But man, C. J.

580
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: Stroud is even better than I could imagine him being

581
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Speaker 2: at this stage of his.

582
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Speaker 1: Career, and this wasn't even his best. You know, he's

583
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: had He's had better games this year. Now, I will

584
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: say that I felt like he he held onto the

585
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: ball and tried and had some magic in the pocket

586
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: getting getting away from some rush. More so in this

587
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: game than in any we've seen thus far this season.

588
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Speaker 1: It felt like he was always on the move, like

589
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: and it wasn't necessarily a design move, right, he was like,

590
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: all right, let me let me get out of here

591
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: and break out of the pocket. Let me escape out

592
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Speaker 1: of here. And a lot of times he was making

593
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Speaker 1: it work. But credit the Jags also for providing that

594
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: pressure to not let him sit back there and use

595
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: that elite accuracy ball placement to just dice you up

596
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: from the pocket. Josh Allen was getting through and the

597
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: Texans have been pretty good and they lost Titus Howard

598
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: early in the game, which I think I probably heard

599
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Speaker 1: a little bit. You had to put you Scruggs in

600
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: there playing his first ball, first real NFL ball of

601
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Speaker 1: his career, and he was you know, he's the he

602
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: was the starting center coming in gets hurt. He comes

603
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: in at left guard, first game off igh R. So

604
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad you brought that up with CJ, because

605
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Speaker 1: I just I feel like we we tried right. We

606
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: tried to talk about that Northwestern game. We tried to

607
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: talk about the Georgia game where he showed you that

608
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: he can use the like he didn't have to in Ohio.

609
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: Steam.

610
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's got you know what, you know, you

611
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: know what side note and then we'll get moving. I

612
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: know we're behind schedule, but the I was thinking about

613
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: this the other day in college football, I think it's

614
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: going to make scouting easier with this realignment. Think about it, like,

615
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Speaker 3: and I think about think about the quarterback position. You're

616
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Speaker 3: going to have sc UCLA, Washington, Oregon going into the

617
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: Big Ten. So all those teams now are going to

618
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: be playing NFL players, NFL defenses. Now Oklahoma which has

619
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Speaker 3: produced a lot of quarterbacks, Texas which with Sarkeys and

620
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Speaker 3: you gotta believe they're gonna have quarterbacks they go to

621
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Speaker 3: the SEC. Like in some ways, I think it's going

622
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Speaker 3: to make scouting somewhat easier because you're going to see

623
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Speaker 3: good on good every single week. You're going to see

624
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Speaker 3: these guys playing against real, real teams.

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Speaker 2: Man. I mean to that point. I think it even

626
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: changes the way you you stock your department. I think

627
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: you we talk about West and Midwest and all that,

628
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: you almost have to have an SEC scout and a

629
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Speaker 2: big ten scout a couple of it. So then and

630
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: then when you think about the cross checking, like how

631
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: you can just sit and I mean red, like I

632
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Speaker 2: would say this, like I would do the first loop

633
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: and then I would post up at sc the second

634
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Speaker 2: loop and just watch these other teams come in and

635
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: watch the film or whatever, Like you're gonna have scouts

636
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: to gonna be able to see all of these big games.

637
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: And so I think you're right. It's going to make

638
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: it a lot easier to see these teams, these quarterbacks

639
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: play in big games, and it should make I wist say,

640
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: make for an easier evaluation, but a more thorough evaluation

641
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: of the position. Yeah.

642
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: Yes, and you maybe give your scouts the first two

643
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Speaker 1: weeks of the season off because nobody's going to be

644
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: scheduling heavy haymakers in the first three weeks.

645
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: Of the season.

646
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Speaker 1: What the conference schedules coming.

647
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's a good point, all right, Squeezing one

648
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: more here before we go to a break Red, Let's

649
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: go Chiefs Raiders.

650
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chiefs Raiders. Interesting one. I mean, boy, the Raiders

651
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: wish they could have just run right back into the

652
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: tunnel after the first quarter. I mean, they were don wheels.

653
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: Was it was incredible. The first fifteen minutes of this game.

654
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: They ran twenty two plays, the Chiefs ran four. They

655
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: had three. They had four plays for zero yards. I mean,

656
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: you hold Patrick Mahomes to that kind of output in

657
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: any quarter of any game, You're feeling pretty good then that.

658
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: The rest of it was just kind of weird everything.

659
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: It was not an overly explosive game on either side

660
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: of The Raiders did get down the fielduple of times,

661
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: but like neither team really wins that battle or dominates

662
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: that battle. The run game wasn't as much of a factor.

663
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: Although you know, you said, see Josh Jacobs, you know,

664
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: it was good to see him kind of get some

665
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: run here and find a way to at least calm

666
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: things down for Aidan O'Connell who was on fire in

667
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: the first quarter and got it. You know, it wasn't

668
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: quite as good the rest of the way. The other

669
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: thing that I'll say about it is this was obviously

670
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: this was the h This was the Rashi Rice game.

671
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: This is where we found out who this second target

672
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: is behind Travis Kelce. Rashi Rice ten targets eight catches

673
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: his first one hundred yard game. They were trying to

674
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: get the ball in his hands. And I love what

675
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: Andy Reid said today that Rashie Rice has been getting

676
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: better and better every week, making himself more Patrick friendly, right,

677
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: figuring out what his quarterback wants, how he can present

678
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: himself to the quarterback in a fashion where he can

679
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: then use his talent in his skill set to be

680
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: a product to factor for this offense. They were getting

681
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: him on crossers, they were getting him on quick screens,

682
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: and they even had him chipping on Max Crosby side

683
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: and then delay releasing as a checkdown. And he caught

684
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: a couple of balls on those types of plays because

685
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: he was making himself available to Patrick Mahomes, like on

686
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: some of the plays you're talking about Bucky with CJ.

687
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: Stroud where he's kind of waiting, wait and wait and

688
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: doesn't break open. Bang let me hit it to Rashid

689
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: Rice and he'll pick up eight yards. He's got a

690
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: physicality to his game after the catch. That's pretty impressive.

691
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: So I just and again, it did feel like for

692
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: the Chiefs it was back to that patience game plan.

693
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: They had four touchdowns on five drives from the second

694
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: quarter to the start of the fourth, and they went

695
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: twelve plays, eight plays, ten plays, six plays, and they

696
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: just found a way to work the ball down the

697
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: field and get the ball into the paint. And so

698
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: I think Rashie Rice is the biggest development that I

699
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: had from this game.

700
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: No, that's legit. That's a good win for the Kansas

701
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: City chief It's not easy inside the division. By the way,

702
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: the Raiders just cut Marcus Peters, so they decided to

703
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: move on from Marcus Peters there, so that one, that

704
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: one's over all. Right, let's take a break, we'll come back.

705
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: We'll jump into the Eagles and the Bills, all right, guys,

706
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: I would say this is the game of the day

707
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: in weather, cold, wet, the Eagles they beat the Bills

708
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: thirty seven to thirty four. There's a lot of different

709
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: ways you can go in this game. I'll leave some

710
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: of the storyline stuff to you, guys. I went back

711
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: this morning, though, and I wanted to watch someone who

712
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: I think might be one of the more underappreciated players,

713
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: not just on the Eagles, but maybe in the NFL

714
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: asked DeVante Smith, so aj Brown gets a lot of attention.

715
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: He's arguably, you know, if not the best, He's one

716
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: of the top three receivers in the NFL. Jalen gets

717
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: his attention, the pass rush gets theirs, even you know,

718
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: Slay the secondary everybody you get the head coach Siriana

719
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: gets credit.

720
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: How he gets credit.

721
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: I feel like Davante Smith gets lost a little bit

722
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: in this and when I watched him is somebody who's

723
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: sees keenan Allen each and every week. It's hard to

724
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: explain it because we can talk about guys being great

725
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: route runners. You can talk about size, speed, all that stuff.

726
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: When you're breaking down receivers, there's a feel to that position,

727
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: and Buck you can speak to it better than I can.

728
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: But there's just an understanding and a feel to your game.

729
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: And it's so subtle as to the point when he's

730
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 3: on over. He's on an over route and he can

731
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: see where Jalen is and how he's moving, and he'll

732
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: gear it down because he's not in a sprint to

733
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: get to the sideline and you have nowhere to go

734
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: with the throw. He can throttle down. He's got an

735
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: unbelievable spatial awareness.

736
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

737
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: You might know, buck what his basketball background is. He

738
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 3: one hundred percent must have played a lot of hoops

739
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: because he feels and moves in space it's exceptional. Then

740
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: you get with that the pristine route running and the hands.

741
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: He's got phenomenal hands, as we've seen across the league.

742
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: That's not something we should take for granted. But he

743
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: goes seven for a Bucko six in that game, and

744
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: I just came away after watching it going he needs

745
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: some love. He's a good football player, man.

746
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: He is a good football player in DJ He did

747
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 2: play a little basketball. He did, he did? He did?

748
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: He just said he does. He loved basketball. He's a

749
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: good time basketball player coming up, and you can see

750
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: that in his game and one. We talked about them

751
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: multiple times, why multi sport players are favorable, why we

752
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: love them, and this guy in process because those skills translate.

753
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: But the field part of playing wide receiver. I think

754
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: that's what really made him very attractive during the draft process.

755
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: We can talk about the size, because the size was

756
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: a concern, but I just remember, you know, when he

757
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: took over at Alabama. He was the number two. Jayalen

758
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: Widell gets hurt and he has to become the number one,

759
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: and that's when he wins the Heisman Trophy. He exploded.

760
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: He exploded when they made him the focal point. So

761
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: the route run ability, to play making ability, the ability

762
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: to kind of like be exactly what the quarterback needs

763
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: in those moments, it makes sense. And I've always contended

764
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: that the Eat they don't just have a number one

765
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: wide receiver, they have code number one. I think they

766
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: share the more quie even though gets all the love,

767
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: I think DeVonta Smith is just as capable as a

768
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: number one receiver in his own light.

769
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: So I agree with you. I mean, I love Devonte

770
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: Smith's game. I mean it does feel silky smooth, you

771
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: know at times, and and you guys are talking about

772
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: that a little bit, in the way that he runs

773
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: the routes and that spatial awareness. I just kind of

774
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: want to go back. It just feels like a theme

775
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: now that that that we brought it up with with

776
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: these you know that Rod Woodson con I mean, is

777
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts maybe the best example of a guy who

778
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: he's not losing, He's just not gonna do it. In fact,

779
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: he hasn't. He has now won fourteen consecutive games against

780
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: teams with a winning record. That's the most and the

781
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: longest streak by any quarterbacks since at least nineteen fifty.

782
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 1: They are also his best.

783
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: He's at his best in winning time too. Like it's however,

784
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: you know, grimy, the game can be on winning downs

785
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: and winning time.

786
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: I bet against that, dude.

787
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: Eagles five and zero this year when trailing at the

788
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: half and Jalen Hurts is Philly's the only team in

789
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: the NFL with winning record when down at the half,

790
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: most of the wins when most of most wins of

791
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: any team when trailing at the half. I mean, you

792
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: should see what the rest of the record is. The

793
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: rest of the NFL has a combined two thirteen win

794
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: percentage when they're trailing at the half. The Eagles are undefeated.

795
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: I just think that is a mentally mentally tough team.

796
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: And it starts right there with Jalen Hurtz diege.

797
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And look, let's let's flip it

798
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: over quickly. On the other side here, Josh Allen deserves

799
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: some love for what he did in this game. You

800
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: watch the runs. I broke down his runs in this game.

801
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: Now that the stats, what did he end up with?

802
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 3: Eighty one rushing yards, two rushing touchdowns? But these runs

803
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: are not just like standard runs. Third and ten scramble

804
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: for a first down, Third and eleven takes off for

805
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: a sixteen yard touchdown, Third nine scramble for a first down.

806
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: Like these are not you know, QB Power's not designed

807
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: runs that is. And again using this theme, he didn't

808
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: win the game, but it was a will on his

809
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: part there that it was like he put everything he

810
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: had into that thing and was trying to make it

811
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: happen and put up a boatload of points. Put up

812
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: thirty four points should be good enough. It wasn't on

813
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: this day. But man, that's a that's a Bills team.

814
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: It's hard to explain. Somebody used the analogy buck, which

815
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: which pains me, but yet I get it because the

816
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: Bills are the Padres this year. Like the Bills point

817
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 3: differential is off the charts. Their record should say one thing,

818
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: but it doesn't. They're six and six, which is somewhat baffling.

819
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: You know, I do think it's a little premature. I

820
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 3: think people they want to jump off the McDermott bandwagon here.

821
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 3: I mean, the guys won a lot of football games,

822
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: and that team has an identity. They're just in a

823
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: they're in a weird spot right now. I think the

824
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: Matt Mulano is our old friend Dave Damaschik used to

825
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: do the jinga piece. Who would have thought that Matt

826
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: Mulano could be that piece. I mean, he is a

827
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 3: one of the best spikers on the NFL. Yeah, but

828
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 3: Milano is Milano I think is more valuable to them, though,

829
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 3: I would.

830
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: Agree Whers And that's the way that they thought it

831
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: was because they were like, they were okay to let

832
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds go, and they're like, you know, we need

833
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: to pay Matt Mulano. He's the guy that makes this

834
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: thing go.

835
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: He does he does make it go. And I'll say

836
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: this about the Buffalo Bills because everyone is now kind

837
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: of on Josh Allen about the turnovers and those things. DJ,

838
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: there's certain players that you just have to live with

839
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: that you just kind of have to know. It's almost

840
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: like having a hitter who's a high volume strikeout guy,

841
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: but he's gonna give you forty five to fifty home runs.

842
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: You just have to know. Hey, that's part of it.

843
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: We're gonna bake that in the equation that's what he is.

844
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: I will say, you talk about the identity of the Bills,

845
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: even though we're seeing I feel like the last two

846
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: weeks we've seen Josh Allen do more of the I'm

847
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: the one man show stuff. Maybe that's the identity of

848
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: the Bills. Hey, he's going to do everything. He's gonna

849
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 2: put it on his shoulders, he's gonna run around, he's

850
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: gonna make plays in those things. Because they have been

851
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: a more dangerous team the last two weeks. They've been

852
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 2: a team that I mean, you could argue they should

853
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: have won this game. If they win this game, it's

854
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: a different conversation that we having about the Buffalo Bills.

855
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 2: But I will say this, and I will issue the

856
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: warning to everyone in the AFC. Don't let them get

857
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: into tournament. That's a good point because if you let

858
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: them get into tournament in a one game scenario, Josh

859
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: Allen can knock anybody out. Don't let them get in

860
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: because I would not want to be the two seed

861
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: to ask to face them in the tournament.

862
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: That tip to Joe Brady that offense has been better

863
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. It's that that is hard to

864
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: deny at this point.

865
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 3: All Right, I've been super excited about this one. Buck,

866
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: how about the Falcons and the Saints? You feel the

867
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: excitement in my voice right there?

868
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: I do. I love your voice inflection because if you

869
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: watched it, you would be excited about it. And the

870
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: reason why you trust me, the reason why you would

871
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: be excited about it is because Jesse Bas continue to

872
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: do what Jesse Bass does. Out Our buddy David little brother,

873
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: his little brother threw one out there and Jason Jesse

874
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 2: Bates snacked it and sixt it. He house called. And

875
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: if you've watched Jesse Bass the last couple of years,

876
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: you're talking about one of the more instinctive playmakers in

877
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: the secondary. He's done it and he's been great for

878
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 2: the Falcons in terms of making plays, coming downhill, getting

879
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: his hands on the ball. He is doing all of that.

880
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: And a Falcons team that is really struggling with their

881
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: identity on both sides of the ball, they played a

882
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: little more to the identity. I think we had a

883
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: b Jhon Robinsons siding. He actually touched the ball a

884
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: little bit which was kind of fun to watch considering

885
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: how much no figure when he touches the ball, you're

886
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: telling me, yeah, how much they gave it to him.

887
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: He had nineteen touches, which is always great to see

888
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: over twenty one hundred and twenty scrimmage jars. And you know,

889
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: if I'm the Falcons, I just kind of look at

890
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: him be like, you know what, maybe the ball needs

891
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: to go to b John Robinson a little more because

892
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: when he gets the ball, it kind of assays the

893
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: table for everybody else. And then desm Ritter was solid

894
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: enough for them to get to win. Uh you look up,

895
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons are still in the mix.

896
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Byjon rushing in receiving touchdown. And the receiving touchdown

897
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: comes on maybe Esmond Riders' best throw of his career.

898
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: He's getting pressured, he is getting pressured and off his

899
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: back foot, knows where Bijon is going to be, knows

900
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: he is wide open, and lays a beautiful pillow drops

901
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: it right into Bijon's hands for the touchdown. Now Desmond

902
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: giveth and Desmond taketh as as well because he has

903
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: another red zone interception here on a play on a

904
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: throw that just shouldn't even you know, shouldn't should have

905
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: just kept it. He'd been better off taking a sack,

906
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: kick and field goal, obviously, but Tyron Matthew got one.

907
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: He's just he's still he still hasn't worked that stuff

908
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: out of the game. But he is giving you some

909
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: of those big play moments, like he used his athleticism

910
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: to really help propel a couple of drives, so the

911
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: Falcons in this game. And then, by the way, pick

912
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: six not the only thing on Jesse Bates. He comes

913
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: up and probably makes the play of the game punching

914
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: out a fumble on Taysom Hill who had just rushed

915
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: for a first down. They were about to have a

916
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: first and goal inside the ten yard line.

917
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 2: Uh.

918
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: In late in the games, either it's either fourth quarter

919
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: or late third quarter, and that was a major, major

920
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: turning point in that game, and the Falcons figured out

921
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: a way to go down to score and win that game.

922
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I was just thinking out loud here,

923
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: if there's been talk that Travis Kelcey could walk away

924
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: at the end of the year, if he does retires,

925
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 3: goes off into sunset, if you're the Kansas City Chiefs,

926
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: just just just please let me show you what we

927
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: can do with with with this tight end here, just

928
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: giving him to the Chiefs. Now, yeah, let's just send

929
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: them over. Oh no, I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here.

930
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 3: You know this ends up, But Kyle Pitts is gonna

931
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: end up with like the Chiefs, the Niners, or like

932
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: the Eagles, and it's.

933
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: Just gonna be explosion.

934
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're gonna throw them out there and then off

935
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: you go and fantness to the Chiefs and the Falcons.

936
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: This would be a nice repayment for the Chiefs sending

937
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 2: Tony Gonzalez to the Falcons. This would be this would

938
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: be like, remember, you can can get back and we

939
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: can we can flip and.

940
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: Callback how about how about yeah, Steelers Bengals here, we

941
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 3: got a couple left.

942
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just just really hitting on the Steelers here

943
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: because I think, look, I think, you know Jig Browning uh,

944
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: I think will credit you know, his his ability to

945
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: step in there in a tough situation and keep them competitive.

946
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: But they're not scoring enough points and I don't know

947
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: that they're going to be able to against at least

948
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: the AFC North defenses that they're going to have to

949
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: face here in the Browns of Steelers, uh and the

950
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: Ravens obviously in the Steelers. In this one, I really

951
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: wanted to focus on the offense with obviously the change

952
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: in offensive first time this season. Mike Sullivan call in

953
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: the place. Yeah, fair point, fair point. Look, I sometimes

954
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: I think we get, you know, in on the on

955
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: the external side, people get over overly enamored with having

956
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: balance on offense. I think it's more like keeping the

957
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: defense off balance is really what you're talking about in

958
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: that equation, right, And the Steelers did that. Thirty three runs,

959
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: thirty three called passes. They kept the Bengals kind of

960
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: guessing where they were going. They had some explosives from

961
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: Najie Harris. They brought big personnel and they were running

962
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: thirteen personnel. They had Pat Fryarmuth back healthy. By the way,

963
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: in that big personnel, one of those big time chunk

964
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: plays from Najie Harris ends up happening. Pat Fryarmuth I

965
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: think was a difference in his game though, and the

966
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: way that he was able to operate in the middle

967
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: of the field. First couple of targets were on benders

968
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: and it was some terrific throws a couple of terrific

969
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: throws from Kenny Pickett. Then he's like, he just goes

970
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey right, and they just set him up a

971
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 1: go find some space in between some zone windows here

972
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: and turn around and bank Kenny's dotting him up. He

973
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: ends up having a terrific game. Here goes over one

974
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: hundred yards and it was just a big piece of

975
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: the offensive attack that felt like it was really missing

976
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, and so they had it

977
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: on the ground, they had it through the air. Just

978
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: felt like Steelers offense.

979
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: You know how you know when you're a kid. We

980
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: played different games around the country, and I don't know

981
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: if you guys call it the same thing we did.

982
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: Did you guys ever play freeze tag when you're oh yeah,

983
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: oh yeah. You know who plays freeze tag? Deontae Johnson.

984
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: He's amazing at it. He just he just frozen. Just yeah,

985
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: are you still frozen tagged? Okay, there you go, I'm done?

986
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 3: What in the heck was that?

987
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: Buck? Take me into the meeting? All right?

988
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: This is this is why I love having Buck as

989
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: a friend, because I can say take me into the

990
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 3: film room. You guys, watch tape you're in the receiver

991
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: room and that comes up. What the heck is said

992
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: in there?

993
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: Nothing? You don't even have to say anything because DJ,

994
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: you just let it play and then you just pause

995
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: it and it becomes that uncomfortable silence, right, it's uncomfortable

996
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: silence where the peers are looking at the tape. He's

997
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: having to look at the tape and everyone is able

998
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: to hold people accountable by saying, what are we doing?

999
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: Like what like what kind of effort is that? And

1000
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 2: I and I'll be honest with you. So weird because

1001
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: the Steelers are such a franchise that's kind of button up.

1002
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: They have a toughness about him, but man, it always

1003
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: seems like they have one or two guys that the receivers.

1004
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: Look at all the receivers they've had, that they've had stuff.

1005
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he's been kind of like the squeaky

1006
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: wheel of Lake, complaining about like lack of touches and

1007
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: the ball, but never acknowledging his own shortcomings when it

1008
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: comes to drops and those things. He dropped a touchdown

1009
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: in this game. He's frustrating to watch. I mean, he's

1010
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: he's a good player, but I don't think he is

1011
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: as good as maybe he portrays or his attitude gives off.

1012
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: And so I just wonder, I wonder with that, like, look,

1013
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: he's there because they signed him to a big deal,

1014
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: but it has to be a kind of annoying for

1015
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: some of the Steelers, like some of the antics and

1016
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 2: some of the lack of effort that has been put

1017
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: on by him.

1018
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough one. And you know, we we

1019
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: didn't see that happen because we we had this game

1020
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: on Game Day Live. We had it happened live, and

1021
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: we didn't We didn't see that because we got we

1022
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: were so focused on the fact whether Jalen Warn't actually

1023
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: fumbled the football or not, and obviously he did. And

1024
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, you get Deontay Johnson just walks right by it.

1025
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: That's yeah, the.

1026
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: Worst, even worse than that, as the beginning of the

1027
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: play didn't even come off the line of scrimmage right

1028
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: stood sitting there not blocking anyways. That was a bad look,

1029
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: but overall a much better day for the Pittsburgh Steelers offense.

1030
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: And hey, the Steelers win games, man, they just keep

1031
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: winning ball games finding a way to do it. Mike Tomlin,

1032
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: God bless him, he's figured it out man, Well, I

1033
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: think this is the last one for US here Broncos

1034
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: and Browns twenty nine to twelve. I took the Russell

1035
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: Wilson angle on this. The numbers are not going to

1036
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: be anything impressive. Thirteen to twenty two, one hundred and

1037
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 3: thirty four yards a touchdown, eleven carries, which is a

1038
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: lot only thirty four yards, but did have a rushing

1039
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 3: touchdown on a fumble, So I went with the on

1040
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: pace numbers for US. He's on pace for thirty three

1041
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: ninety eight yards, thirty one touchdowns, six picks, completing sixty

1042
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 3: eight point three percent of his passes. He's thirty four

1043
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: years old, his last five games seventy point two percent

1044
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: completion percentage, eight hundred and ninety four yards, eight touchdowns,

1045
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: no picks. I wrote down in my notes, I went

1046
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: and watched all of his dropbacks in this game, and

1047
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 3: I wrote, Ah, it's Alex Smith, Like this is this

1048
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: is kind of how he's playing right now. Is Alex Smith.

1049
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: He's efficient, He uses legs, you know, to get He

1050
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 3: got out of a bunch of sacks in this game,

1051
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: and some of them maybe got a yard or two.

1052
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: Some of them he threw away, but some hidden yardage there.

1053
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 3: With his athleticism not super aggressive, I was a little surprising.

1054
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: I think they they always start him off with a layup.

1055
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: They did it again in this game. They give him

1056
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: a nice easy screen on the first play. The next

1057
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 3: one they actually took a shot and they ended up

1058
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: getting a pass interference call. But for again, the majority

1059
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: of the game under control. Protect the football, use your legs.

1060
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 3: If you have to marry that up with a great defense,

1061
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 3: marry that up with the you know, with the coordinator

1062
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: that can protect you. I'm like, this is what that

1063
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 3: felt like.

1064
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: Oh you know, you know what it feels like and

1065
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: what it sounds like. It sounds like Russell Wilson from

1066
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: his early years in Seattle, when the Garland dose gas

1067
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: were for trying to protect Russ against himself before there

1068
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: was a course of let Russ cook. It's funny how

1069
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 2: it comes full circle and Russ is playing better because

1070
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: Russ is playing like they wanted him to play in Seattle.

1071
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: Hats off to Sean Payton for stealing some pages from

1072
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: the original blueprint to get Russell Wilson playing well. But

1073
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 2: they're doing those things that he can do well at

1074
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: his age and I think the Alex Smith example is

1075
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: great because Alex Smith won a lot of games just

1076
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: being in the fishing quarterback. And what the Broncos need

1077
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: from russ Nell is more mental than physical. They need

1078
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 2: him to be And I hate to say this because

1079
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: you're paying whatever two hundred and some million for Russell,

1080
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: but he just needs to be a game manager plus right,

1081
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: be a game manager for three quarters of the game

1082
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: and then in the fourth quarter, just be the playmaker

1083
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: when we need you to be. And if he's that,

1084
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: and the rest of the pieces of the team appear

1085
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: to be even better than we gave them credit for,

1086
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: this team can win. The receivers to running backs, the

1087
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: defense all playing well. He's doing a good job of managing.

1088
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: That's right into winter.

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00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember this though? And Drew was still

1090
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: playing pretty well in the twenty seventeen draft, which was

1091
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: the Mahomes draft, right, you remember the Saints were trying

1092
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: to trade up to get up there for Mahomes. And

1093
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 3: then he's made I mean, Sean Payton didn't make any

1094
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: bones about it, like he told everybody that's what he

1095
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: was trying to do. Even though Drew was playing winning football.

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00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: I almost wonder if this is a similar situation where

1097
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: I know, obviously the money is there and he's tied

1098
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 3: up in this money, But I feel like, okay, Russ,

1099
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: this brand of football is winning them games. If won

1100
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: a bunch in a row, might punch their ticket to

1101
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: the postseason. Who knows, but to win a championship with

1102
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: Sean Payton has done, he knows, he needs, gonna need

1103
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: better than what Russell can currently give them. Would it

1104
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: surprise you at all if, like, there's a quarterback that

1105
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: he really likes, if it's Jayden Daniels, whoever else it is,

1106
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: that's in that, you know, not too far of a

1107
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 3: leap to go get him. If even with Russ there,

1108
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: if Sean Payton went and got the next guy to

1109
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: have RHTT, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

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00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: But don't you go telling Alex Smith now that what

1111
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's doing his mediocre quarterback play line of conversation.

1112
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: He had some good points, he had some good points

1113
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 3: on that. By the way, it was a bad division

1114
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: that he was playing in.

1115
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so no, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised.

1116
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, didn't the Saints also make a play for

1117
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: Paxton Lynch when he was coming out in the first round.

1118
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: Well, they talked about Lamar because I remember Man was

1119
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: with us and and Mike was close with Sean Payton.

1120
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: I'm not telling tales out of school here, but I

1121
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: remember he was enamored by Lamar Jackson. So they was

1122
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 3: thought that he would do that. I think they ended

1123
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: up trading up and taking Davenport and we thought, we

1124
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: said on the draft they.

1125
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: Might be trading that for Lamar Jackson.

1126
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeaheah, Well, and then we're taking quarterbacks for a while.

1127
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: He took Garrett Grayson right in the third round, so

1128
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: they were definitely looking right. I mean, so that makes

1129
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Man. I don't know what the

1130
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Russell contract is and how that all works.

1131
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: Oh it's a lot.

1132
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 3: I think the out is after twenty five according to

1133
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: spot track that was on there looking at that.

1134
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: But again, you're again, you're paying minimal money to a

1135
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: quarterback that you're going to draft, even if you do

1136
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: draft them up there, you know, near the top. But

1137
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, can they are they I mean, look,

1138
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: they wont what five in a row now, Yeah, they're

1139
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to move it's gonna take some maneuvering to

1140
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: get up there for one of these dudes this year.

1141
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying. They haven't tried to get

1142
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: up to one or two. I'm talking about ten to fourteen,

1143
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: like someone.

1144
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: Maybe the bo Nicks land or there's a bunch of

1145
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: them and Daniels as you're talking about. Sure, yeah, I

1146
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: could see one hundred percent. I can see it.

1147
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be interesting to keep an eye on there.

1148
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 3: Anything else you want to add before we get out here.

1149
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: This was a fun one today. A lot of ground

1150
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: we covered here.

1151
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: No doubt. I'm just looking at some of the other games.

1152
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Kyriene Williams is a player rams man. When

1153
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: when they can operate, you know with you know the

1154
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: way they want to with Kyraene, you know, rushing receipting

1155
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: that that was big to watch that And I don't

1156
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: know Patriots.

1157
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 3: Got this week, so I got to jump in and

1158
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: watch all that take this week. I prefer not to

1159
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: talk about them until they do it after that. By

1160
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: the way, as we're as we're closing up shop here,

1161
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: our buddy Tom pelasera two minutes ago. Panthers have also

1162
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 3: fired quarterback coach, Josh McCown, an assistant head coach, running

1163
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: back coach Do Sdaly per sources. So it is not

1164
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 3: just the head coach. It's a little unusual to see

1165
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: that many assistants get get let go. But I would

1166
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: also say I was talking to a coach about this

1167
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: the other day. Much better if you're a coach to

1168
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: get fired as the college carousel is getting ready to

1169
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: kick off, then to wait till the NFL season ends,

1170
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: because there is another whole pool of jobs and as

1171
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 3: we know, these colleges can pay quite handsomely. So you

1172
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 3: know that is not a bad idea to get let go.

1173
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: Now that is interesting in terms of Douce Daley and

1174
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: Josh McCown going. So now what appear to many cooks

1175
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: in the kitchen? Too many cooks in the kitchen. And

1176
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: then if you had like faction's like this is a survivor,

1177
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 2: like I got this click versus that click, like how

1178
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: is that working in the And so maybe you're trying

1179
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: to give Thomas Brown an opportunity to be the play

1180
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: caller without maybe noise in his ear in terms of

1181
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 2: how this offense should look. And maybe that's what they're doing.

1182
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: Remember They also elevated and asked Jim Callwell to take

1183
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: on more responsibilities and helping Thomas Brown. Jim Callwell helped

1184
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens as a play caller win the Super

1185
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: Bowl with Joe Flacco, not saying that he'll have influence,

1186
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 2: but I will say I had a conversation with Jim

1187
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: Callwell before he joined the Panthers, like just a random

1188
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: conversation about which quarterback he liked. Bryce Young was his

1189
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: quarterbackup choice. And so maybe they're trying to get enough

1190
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: people around Bryce to see Bryce and maybe the light

1191
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: that the owner saw him to give him the best

1192
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: opportunity to play at a high level going forward. Yeah,

1193
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: I just think back and I don't know.

1194
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: I mean, remember the Josh McCown the video at the

1195
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: CJ Stroud DJ just bring it by.

1196
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: That's this guy. That stuff has to come up, like

1197
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: that stuff. Yeah, Like so was there some stuff when

1198
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 2: you're losing where maybe it's not said, but you feel it.

1199
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: You feel like I'm not really your guy the way

1200
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 2: you're So maybe they're trying to get all of those

1201
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: people out and say, hey, here's how we're going to

1202
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: go forward.

1203
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there you go a little little bonus piece

1204
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: of news there as we wrap this one up today.

1205
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Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow, as we are each and every

1206
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 3: day you can catch us here. We appreciate you hanging

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Speaker 3: with us, and we'll see you next time on movie sticks.