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Speaker 1: this is Chuck And as some of you have heard,

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Speaker 1: I have announced that I have a new solo podcast

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Speaker 1: coming out in November called Movie Crush. UH. The show

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Speaker 1: and put in the subject line movie Crush guest and

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Speaker 1: I'll know it's you and I appreciate it. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun, trust me and um here's two recording

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Speaker 1: podcast together. Thanks. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from

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Speaker 1: how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry

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Speaker 1: Roland and this is Stuff you Should Know trying on

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Speaker 1: some new stuff. The two least extreme guys covering yet

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Speaker 1: another extreme sports topic. I'm extreme in my easy goingness,

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Speaker 1: share It is like, don't listen to a word we say.

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Speaker 1: But now, these things always have like the coolest backstories,

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Speaker 1: Buildering is actually a combination of buildings, like you walk into,

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Speaker 1: I'd love this guy a lot. Actually yeah, he did

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Speaker 1: in three and a half hours. And he actually had

423
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: a rig. He was not a free climber because that

424
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: would just be insane um and probably not possible with

425
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: the World Trade Center which was mostly glass. But he

426
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: figured out a way, uh to to fit a device

427
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: over the window washers scaffold and then it fit. And

428
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: if you see pictures of this guy doing so, you

429
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: know between the World Trade Center it had these grooves

430
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: between the windows, and he probably rigged something of his

431
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: own making. Yeah, he made it himself. Yeah, that would

432
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: fit between the channel between those windows. Uh. And apparently

433
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: after he figured that out, it wasn't too tough. Well

434
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was like, um, I think it was

435
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: still tough. But this implement that he designed was you know,

436
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: pretty ingenious. Well that he climbed with relative ease, right right, yeah, yeah,

437
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: better than free climbing or something like that. For sure.

438
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: He was using implements. But the thing when he when

439
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: he pressed down on it, it's it would slide into

440
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: these slats that the window washing machine was supposed to

441
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: go up and down on, like you were saying, um,

442
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: And when he pressed down on it, it would lock

443
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: into the sides, and when he like lifted up on it,

444
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: it would unlock, so he could just kind of like

445
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: shimmy up like that. Right. And he had the foresight

446
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: to bring a little hammer with him because he was like,

447
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll bet that thing is not perfect

448
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: all the way up. And he brought a little hammer

449
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: with him and needed it many times to like hammer

450
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: it out to about the shape that he needed it

451
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: to be. But he, um, he made this climb and

452
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: a couple of cops. One of them was a specialist

453
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: in suicides. Uh, we're lowered down on an actual window

454
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: washing conveyance and said, you know, they were given the

455
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: task of talking this guy down, and apparently at some

456
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: point they were like, oh, you you mean to do this?

457
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: You're you're just climbing the World Trade Center, that's all

458
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: you're doing. Huh. And then I would have just walked

459
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: up and jumped off, dummy, right exactly, like this seems

460
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 1: a little hard for that. But they they left him

461
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: alone until he got to the top, and then of

462
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: course they arrested him right when he when he got

463
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: to the top. But um, he made it to the

464
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: top for sure. Yeah. And originally apparently the city was

465
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: going to find him a big old fat and this

466
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: is the ninety seven a quarter million bucks, which it's

467
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: a lot of money today, but certainly a lot of

468
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: money backs in. But Mayor Beam, I guess, was charmed

469
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: and taken with the uh the attention it brought maybe

470
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: the New York City and said I'm gonna find you

471
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: a penny per floor. So he paid a find of

472
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: a dollar in ten cents, right, And I think there

473
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: was probably a lot of public pressure to leave this

474
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: guy alone because he became a celebrity overnight when he

475
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: did this. I mean he was he was big time

476
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and he's just this you know,

477
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: thoughtful toymaking guy who who just decided he wanted to

478
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: do this and made his own implements, you know, and

479
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now he's on like Johnny Carson

480
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: and Merv Griffin and all the late night talk shows. Um.

481
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: He got work as a stunt man on a bunch

482
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: of shows, including The six Million Dollar Man, like just

483
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: that one clime like made him famous still to this day.

484
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: I think he's he's one of the u for sure,

485
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: one of the dudes that people look back on as

486
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: like very revered in this sport. Yeah, I agree. You

487
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: don't hear people doing stuff like this anymore, do you am?

488
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: I just not hearing about it. Yeah, you're not hearing

489
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: about it. Um, well, because we'll get to him. That

490
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: uh Ellen Robert guy. He's still climbing as a little

491
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: buns off. There's a little tight climbing buns stupid sexy

492
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: Flanders classic one that there's a dude and he still

493
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: climbs as well. I believe California man named Dan Goodwin,

494
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: and he was silly enough to put on a Spider

495
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: Man costume, which I guess it feels cool at the time,

496
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: but it just never looks good, especially after you've seen

497
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: the movies and like the really cool outfits that they

498
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: put the Spider Man in. So the Walmart version right

499
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: when you're just like a kid at Halloween, were clearly

500
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: see what kind of like sneakers you're wearing not so

501
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: cool underneath the red spats. They're supposed to cover them,

502
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: but don't. Yeah, like if he had the real Hollywood suit,

503
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: it would might look kind of, you know, awesome, but

504
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: no such luck for Dan Goodwin. Plus, also, if you're

505
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: gonna go to this kind of trouble and do something

506
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: this publicly, like to take an extra month and design

507
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: and manufacture your own costume. Agreed, get a little cape

508
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: in there something sure, although that might get in the way. Well,

509
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: it had to be a very lightweight, thin, small cape.

510
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: I would half size. Maybe I would be a nude builderer.

511
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: Could you imagine? Now I can? I'll sit with you

512
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: for a while. Um. So, Dan Goodwin dressed up his

513
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: spidy and he climbed the sears Tower in Chicago, which

514
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: is now the Willis Tower at the time the Year's Tower,

515
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: it's still the Sears Tower. Yeah, I agree. Uh, And

516
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: then would go on to climb the John Hancock Tower,

517
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: also in Chicago, and then he said, that's beans, I'm

518
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna go climb the Sea In Tower in Toronto because

519
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: I think it's over eight feet tall, and at the

520
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: time it was the world's tallest structure, which made him

521
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: the top dog for a bit. And he climbed that

522
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: CN Tower twice in the same day. Yeah. Why because

523
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: it was there. I guess, I don't know. Maybe somebody

524
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: was like, that wasn't the big of a deal and

525
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: he's like, oh yeah, I'll do it again. I'll see

526
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: in a couple of hours. Jerk. Uh. And then Goodwin

527
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: was then followed um by the man we were just

528
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: talking about, a Frenchman or a Frenchman name Alan Robert

529
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: or is it Elaine? I never know how to pronounce

530
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: that when the eye is stuck in there, Uh, I

531
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: don't know, Ellen, Okay, Yeah, that sounds nice. Yeah. This

532
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: is in the mid nineties and he he is a

533
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: bit of a stand alone, not a stand alone, but

534
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: a stand apart at least because while he occasionally will

535
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: use some equipment, what he really likes to do is

536
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: get out there, get some chalk on his hands, and

537
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: tackle a building. Yeah. This guy is, I mean, in

538
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: my opinion, the greatest builder who's ever lived, at the

539
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: very least the riskiest, or at the very least the

540
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: most well known. Too. I've ran across another guy named

541
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: Um Mustang Wanted. I don't think that's his actual name.

542
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: That's what he goes by, Mustang Wanted. He named his

543
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: himself after an ad on Craigslist, right exactly. And he

544
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: does from what I can tell free free climbing, buildering. Um.

545
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: And he's younger and just kind of not well known.

546
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's quite well known in the buildering circles

547
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: or the serving climbing circles. But um, yeah, Elaine Robert, Robert, right,

548
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: Alan Robert. What am I doing? He? Um like he's sponsored.

549
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: He's that well known by you want to tell him by? Who?

550
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: I think you should tell him? Well, what's the name

551
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: of the company. I know it's a hair replacement company.

552
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: It's like a Nuvigil nor Jill, nor Jill or nor Gill,

553
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: one of them. We're having a lot of trouble with

554
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: the words that circle in this guy's universe. Yeah, that's

555
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: because this morning. But he uh yeah, God bless him.

556
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: He has some some hair loss going on. So he

557
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: got the sponsorship that made sense for his life. It's

558
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: good for him, right, good for that guy. And he

559
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: also wore Spider Man outfit, so just stop, dudes, get

560
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: the Spider Man. He doesn't always he would from time

561
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: to time. I think it might be like a tradition

562
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: now maybe an inside joke I don't know, or maybe

563
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: they really are, like this is gonna make it feel

564
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: so much cooler when I build her this building. Should

565
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: we take another break? I think? So? All right, we're

566
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: gonna go getting our Spiderman costumes and finish the show

567
00:32:37,200 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: that way. So, UM, we talked about how like these

568
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: guys can get kind of famous actually, and some of

569
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: them use their platforms for for good, like l A.

570
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Robert Um, he'll go both ways, right, Like he's taken

571
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: um tens of thousands of dollars to climb a building

572
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: to promote like a Spider Man movie or something like that.

573
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: Really that's why he was dressed as Spider Man. Did

574
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: he really do that? Um? And then. But on the

575
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: other hand, he's well known to like unfurraled banners at

576
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: the top that promote like, um, like uh, the climate

577
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: change stuff like that, right, Yeah, Like there was a

578
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: one website called a hundred months dot org that he

579
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: was promoting. I think back in the late nineties that

580
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: um basically positive that we had like a hundred months

581
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: before the earth was irreversibly changed by climate change. And

582
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that that has has panned out as successful,

583
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: that website and changing the world's mind yet. Um. Other

584
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: people have done the same though, uh, either promotional stuff

585
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: or banners, sometimes like you said, for good Uh, sometimes

586
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: for dough because the builder has got to eat after all. Sure,

587
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to get to the places. If

588
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: you're traveling the world, you need airplane money. Yeah, and

589
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: sometimes like you said with the was it Willig that

590
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: went on to um do some stuntman work. Yeah he did. Yeah,

591
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: that's a good way to get work. Um. Sebastia was

592
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: the guy in Casino Royal. I just want to apologize

593
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: to the entire country of France for this episode. You

594
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: don't listen now, You're right, that's fine, We're good then, uh.

595
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: He was the one in Casino Royal who doubled up

596
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: um James Bond and did all the I think he

597
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: did all the parkour and the building and that's that

598
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: stunt scene. Yeah he did. It was pretty neat. Yeah,

599
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: that was a thrilling scene for sure. Yeah. And we

600
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: have to talk about the scene in uh Mission Impossible

601
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: Ghost Protocol thrilling as well. Apparently it was for real.

602
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: It was, dude, and it really was Tom Cruise doing

603
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: that stunt. It was I watched the full scene again today.

604
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: I watched the behind the scenes of the making of

605
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: that scene. Uh. This is when he uh went out

606
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: of the window of the Birch Birch Khalifa in Dubai,

607
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: which is the world's tallest tower at seventeen feet and

608
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: h that I think what you want about Tom Cruise.

609
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: I'm still sort of in and out with that guy.

610
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: But that scene is one of the most thrilling scenes

611
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: in action movie history to me. And the idea that

612
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: it was real, yeah, I mean, and of course he

613
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: was fully cabled and tethered, uh, and it was as

614
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: as safe as you can imagine something being And then

615
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: they go in and erase all that stuff in post production.

616
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: But it's still he's still up there doing this stuff,

617
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: running down the side of the building, launching himself off

618
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: the side and swinging around, and uh, it's just it's amazing,

619
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: really really great action movie scene. It is a lot

620
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: of those movies were pretty good that um Mission Impossible

621
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: ones turned out. Okay, yeah, I think all of them

622
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: were good except for the Uh, I guess it was

623
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: too the John Woowin. That's what everybody says. What was

624
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: wrong with that? I don't even know if I saw

625
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: it or not. I don't know. I think he it

626
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: just I don't know. It just wasn't that good. I

627
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: can't remember if it was, like, because you know, besides

628
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: good action and stuff, he still have to have a

629
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: good story for Mission Impossible and good um impossible mission stuff, right,

630
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: and they didn't have that. I think I remember it

631
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: just not having a very good plot in and good

632
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: Mission impossible type stuff. It didn't feel Mission Impossible like

633
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Speaker 1: to me. But they once brad Bird got back onto

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Speaker 1: the director like those those were good in my opinion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying, Like, you need to have plot,

636
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: you need to have a story, you have a good dialogue,

637
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: so if you're gonna do this, you should be prepared

638
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Speaker 1: to be arrested, right, But don't do it. No, No,

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00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: that's great, great point, Chuck. Don't do this because if

640
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Speaker 1: you were going to you'd be arrested. Like apparently Elaine

641
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: Robert has been arrested like a hundred times or something

642
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: like that. Um, and he's become so infamous. He never

643
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: announces publicly what he's going to do. He just shows

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00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: up at the building apparently in the morning and just

645
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Speaker 1: starts climbing, you know, and people take note. Right. Um.

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Speaker 1: He also apparently is so famous that he was seen

647
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Speaker 1: hanging around inside maybe on a tour or something of

648
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: the Shard in London, and the building's owners got freaked

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Speaker 1: out and they went to court and got a restraining

650
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Speaker 1: order against him to keep them away from their building forever.

651
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: They're like, I know why you're here. You're you're not

652
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Speaker 1: a scout, you're casing the place. Yeah, I mean, it's

653
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Speaker 1: obviously a liability for property owners. Um, although some have

654
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Speaker 1: paid people and invited them to do so to give

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Speaker 1: them press. So it's a it's a weird sort of

656
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: mix of illegality and like, hey, come do this thing. Yeah,

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00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: and I mean for the most part though, if the

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Speaker 1: building owner doesn't want you there, it's it's because they're

659
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: they're covering their bottoms, you know, like they if you

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Speaker 1: fall off, and even worse, if you fall off and

661
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Speaker 1: you fall on to some other people. Yeah, that's that's

662
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: a big problem for them. I never thought about that. Yeah,

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00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's not just you whose life is

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Speaker 1: in jeopardy in that respect, but you're also like draining

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Speaker 1: like public resources because the cops have to keep everybody

666
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Speaker 1: back a safe distance. It's a selfish sport for it

667
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: really is a selfish dangel sport. But um, like there's

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff you can get in trouble,

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Speaker 1: for the least of which is probably criminal trespassing, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the cops don't really know what to do with you.

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Speaker 1: And apparently in Chicago, um they tried to blast uh

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Speaker 1: spider Dan what was his last name, Dan Goodwin, Dan

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Speaker 1: Goodwin off of the building with fire hose. That's what

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Speaker 1: he says. I saw elsewhere that they tried to get

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Speaker 1: him off the building using various means. He's the one

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Speaker 1: who said that it was with a fire hose. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the Chicago Police, so it's entirely possible. Yeah.

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00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: He also claimed that Fire Commissioner William Blair threatened to

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Speaker 1: kill him if he did this again. And both of

680
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: these are claims from Dan Goodwin um who by the way,

681
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: there was an article in Wired magazine about him and

682
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: uh Elaine Robert and it was to both them their

683
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: inspirations in life, and Elaine Roberts were Zoro and Robin Hood.

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00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: So's he's clearly grounded in reality. Uh. And then good

685
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: ones are Bruce Lee makes sense, Carlos Castanada, mm hmm,

686
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs, are you ready for the last one? John Lennon,

687
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: famous extreme sportsman. Yeah, John Lennon, you can parkour like

688
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: a gorilla. Yeah, I remember that a song. All we're

689
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: saying is get building a chance, which was wildly irresponsible

690
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: to or imagine there's no building. It's easy if you

691
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: try so do this all day. One of the one

692
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: of the things, well, this is good because it's actually

693
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Speaker 1: getting the image of you naked building out of my head.

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Speaker 1: So maybe keep it up now. Naked John Lennon is

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00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: building in your head. Um. So, man, that really threw

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00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: me off because you can picture him naked because I

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00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: forgot where I was going. Yeah, I can picture like

698
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: his his flank and rump. Yep, you know how can

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00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: you just picture instead of Yoko oh no, him clinging

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00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: to the side of the building. And now I know

701
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Aaron Cooper will be sending something. Yeah, for sure, I

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00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: know what I was gonna say, Dan, Dan Goodwin, Um

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00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: he was actually he said he was inspired by the

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00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: Las Vegas MGM Grand fire in the early eighties. I

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00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: think maybe, um, which, I think we should do an

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00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: episode on hotel fires too. It sounds weird and gruesome

707
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: and it is, but there's actually like a lot of

708
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: crazy history involved in there. And yeah, there was one

709
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: in Atlanta in the early days. Yeah, the I can't

710
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: remember what it was back then, but there's Yeah, they

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00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: revamped that hotel. You can go to it now. Um

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00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: it's right down there by where the Hawks play Phillips. Yes, so,

713
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: but I can't remember the name of it off the

714
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: top of my head. But yeah, we should do a

715
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: hotel fires one. Okay, very dark idea. So apparently, um

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00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: Goodwin saw that hotel fire and saw people were trapped

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00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: in that the fire department had no way to get

718
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: to them, and he was already a climber. I just

719
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: don't think he was a builder. And he apparently went

720
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: up to the fire chief for the person in charge

721
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: of fighting his fires, like, let me climb up there

722
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: and put some cables in place, and you guys can

723
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: go get these people out. And the guy was like,

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00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to have you arrested if you don't leave

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00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah. I mean, his heart was in the

726
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: right place, but fire chiefs kind of want to just

727
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: do their thing and not have citizens offered to put

728
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 1: themselves in danger on top of that, especially if they're

729
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: just as Spider Man in an ill fitting child's costume

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00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: at the time. Chief, Yeah, I got a great idea.

731
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: But supposedly he went and started climbing the outside of

732
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: buildings to kind of proved that this could be done

733
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: and that it should be done, and um, that people

734
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: could be saved, that you could use this kind of

735
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: thing as a way to assist um fire departments during fires,

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Speaker 1: which so far I don't think anyone's ever taken them

737
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: up on it. They don't have builders on the on

738
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: the payroll, no. Um. So one final thing I want

739
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: to mention is that, uh, there's this one building new

740
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: York Times building in two thousand eight that Elain Robert climbed,

741
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: and the cop that was interviewed by the New York

742
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: Times was silly enough to say, well, look at this thing.

743
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a professional, like the building

744
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: looks like a ladder, and someone read that, and then

745
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: apparently later on that same day, someone who didn't wasn't

746
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: even an experienced builder from Brooklyn went out and climbed

747
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: the thing successfully. Yeah. Pretty interesting. Yeah, and there have

748
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: been unsuccessful climbs. There's one guy who was climbing a

749
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: building in Houston and felt like thirty stories in two

750
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: thousand three. Um, and he was reported by an eyewitnesses

751
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: is purposefully jumping. Um, but I don't know. Apparently the

752
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: buildering community doesn't necessarily buy that. He said no, thank you, Yeah,

753
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: Ryan John Hartley was his name. That's very sad. It

754
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: is sad, and it also goes to show just how

755
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: dangerous this this is dangerous. Don't do it, even if

756
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: you've got the best tom Cruise suction cups you you

757
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 1: can get your hands on, and you've got uh nice

758
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: some ropes and some friends who are really trustworthy, just

759
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: don't do it, Okay, I agreed. Uh, well, since I

760
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: said just don't do it, that's your queue to go

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Speaker 1: look this article up on how Stuff Works dot com.

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00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: And since I said that it's time for listener mail,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this. I forgot to get a listener mail,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna read the first one on the latest email.

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Speaker 1: It's like Russian Roulette with listener mail. Um, yeah, this

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Speaker 1: one's okay, not bad. Subject lines sleepy while reading. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Dear Josh and Chuck, thanks for all the hard work

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Speaker 1: and humor you put into stuff. You should know. Podcasts

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Speaker 1: seven years. Taught me about agent orange while painting landscapes,

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Speaker 1: Jim Hinson while working out at the gym, and bioluminescence

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Speaker 1: exciting life. Um, there's one thing I really do need

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Speaker 1: to know, though, Why do I always doze off while

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Speaker 1: I'm reading? I'd like to learn enjoy reading, but over

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Speaker 1: the past few years I struggled to stay conscious. Whyn't

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Speaker 1: when I read? I was hoping you could shed some

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Speaker 1: light on this, as you're both avid readers. That is

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Speaker 1: Harrison Gibbs, and he has a PS. I've been enjoying

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Speaker 1: My sympathies to Chuck is, I know the struggle of

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Speaker 1: Beard Dan drip is real and we referenced it. T

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer, but that is a for

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Speaker 1: sure thing. Like if you want to fall asleep at night,

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Speaker 1: put your phone down or your e reader and read

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Speaker 1: a good old fashioned book. It's like a paper valume. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it might just do it, yep, but they're science behind it. Sure,

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Speaker 1: well look at it. We don't forget to Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: we don't fall asleep while we're looking it up. Thanks Harrison,

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