WEBVTT - Sean’s Cruel Summer 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.160 Hey, every well, welcome to Happy Hour. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.000 I'm Joe and I'm Serena. 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:09.520 Yea, we are here with Sean from Bechelor and Paradise, 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:11.879 who we always refer to as Hot Sean. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:13.720 We do. It's really stuck. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.600 That nickname has really transitioned from your past to your 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:17.280 president Sean. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.439 Yeah, it has. Well, Thank you all for having me, 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.400 appreciate it and looking forward to talking about this episode 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:22.560 with you. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.000 Sean. Is this your third time on Happy Hour? 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.120 I think second, second time we did after the tell All, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.080 which was fun. I don't think. Yeah, it's only my 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:32.640 second time. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:34.479 So yeah, he's never been on. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:36.919 You've never been on as a solo guest. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:38.920 No, you guys never had me on. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.440 So oh, welcome, Happy to have you here. 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:43.800 Don't give us attitude already. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.000 Shot right, I'm just messing with you all. I'm just 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:47.320 messing you just got here. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.480 Why you can you explain real quick? 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.680 Just a very uh, just a little breakdown of why 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:54.720 you are Hot Sean. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:00.560 Yeah. Hot Sean started when I was a turned at 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.240 Barstow Sports. So I was going to college in Fordham. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.200 Ended up getting hooked up with some of the guys 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.119 there my first day when I show up to the office. 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.640 There's a group of guys that don't necessarily look like me. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.200 I guess you could say. So Dave el friends was 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.000 recording the rundown and I was sitting there doing my work, 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.039 just going through like their social media accounts, and he 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.120 looks at me and he's like, who the fuck is 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.160 this kid? What is he doing here? And then he's like, say, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.000 I say. He said I was too good looking to 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:31.679 be there, and then he wrote a blog about it, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.360 and then it just stuck. And now thankfully, I guess 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:34.800 it stuck. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.199 There are worse nicknames to have, for sure. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:38.960 Yeah. 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.040 I don't hate it at all. I mean it's a 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:47.440 pretty good one, ugly Sean, like your looking Sean. So yeah, 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:48.200 it's not bad. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.520 Okay, so we uh we see you. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.120 You know, let's you're you're in Paradise and he hesitations 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:56.360 and going to Paradise? 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.440 Were you all in right when they asked you? 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.800 Yeah, they're Actually was some hesitation. So when I got 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.280 sent home from the bachelorette, I had a miscall from 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.480 the people that were casting for Paradise. It was like 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.840 so quick, I just got in the door and my 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.799 place here in Tampa and I had just taken off 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.400 a bunch of time for work, so I was like, 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.720 you know what, Like, I need some time to decompress 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.840 think about it. And I honestly was turned off against 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.799 it initially just because it was so quick and it 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.239 really isn't a really quick jump from the bachelorette to 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.760 filming Paradise. And then the more I thought about it 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.160 and thought more about the time I had on a bachelorette, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.040 the people I met, like, I really did have a 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.080 great experience, had so much fun. So I was like, 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:36.919 you know what, let's go back for a round two. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.440 Let's do it. So after a deep thought, wasn't. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.200 Too bad and you quit your job? 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:48.400 Correct, I would say, let go. So there's there's a 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.920 story that I wish made the Bachelorette where we're in 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.040 New Orleans and I had to get a phone call 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.480 from anybody at all and I get pulled into a 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.760 room and there's a phone there and I take this 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.320 phone call to my work. They're like, Hey, you don't 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.200 come back to work on Monday, You're fired. And it 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.040 was just before hometown, so I was kind of deep 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.120 into it, so I was like, oh my god, it's crazy. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.000 But I kind of pulled like a Jordan Bell for 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:11.720 It moment where I was like, I'm not fucking leaving. 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.200 So then I ended up getting sent home like right 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.160 after that, and then went to work on Monday. So 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.160 I got back to Tampa on a Sunday, show up 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.200 at the office on Monday, no time to decompress. So 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:23.800 then I went back. I was like, hey, you know, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.080 I want to go do Paradise and they're like, absolutely not. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:28.799 So I was like, all right, well, I guess they're 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:29.640 not going to work out for us. 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.080 Then well, and what do you do? 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.119 I'm in sales I work for I used to sell 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.160 paper on HR software. Now I work for a tax 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:37.880 advisory firm in their sales team. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.640 Okay, so you got you got another job? 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:44.640 I did? I did get another job. Yeah, we're good'd that's. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:44.920 Good the hair. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.680 So going into Paradise, who who are you the most 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:50.200 interesting in? 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.800 Who are you looking forward to see it? Yeah? 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.400 Going into Paradise, I was definitely looking forward to to 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:03.520 meeting Jess Yeah really yeah, no worries. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.880 Did you think the swifty line was gonna was gonna work? 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.400 And are you really a swift? Ye? 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:11.840 I need to know who I pissed off in the 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.560 Chyroinde apartment because I actually am a swift. Ye, I 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.880 love Taylor Swift. I that was the first show I 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:19.400 went to when I get back in the Bachelotte, like 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.120 two days after filming, went to Taylor Swift show in Tampa. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.360 So I'm a little pissed off when they were calling 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.440 me out for not being a Swifty. I don't necessarily 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.279 know if that was gonna work, but she had. I 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.320 think she had just gone to a tailor Swift show, 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.200 as did I. It was just something that we had 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.960 in common. I also met Kat before, not in person, 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.080 but she lived in Tampa at the time and we 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.120 had some mutual friends. So I kind of connected with 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.360 her afterwards, and she helped me out quite a bit 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.839 actually leaving the Bachelotte, because it is it's tough to 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.839 adjust back to a normal life for a little bit afterwards, 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.200 so she was really really helpful in that aspect. But 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.080 those really the only two people that even knew. But yeah, 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:56.039 I was excited to see Jess. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.600 Long story short, so we see you. You know, kind 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.560 of hit on Jess a little bit, but you end 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.359 up having a connection with Rachel. Were you expecting to 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.120 see her down there? Was that a surprise to you? 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.120 Definitely a shock to see Rachel on the beach. Obviously 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.839 being a bachelorette, there's only been I think one before 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.279 that that's going down to Paradise, So definitely a shock. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:18.760 So I think I had it in my mind where 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.400 it's like, oh, like Jess is going to be there, 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.200 excited to see her, and then Rachel was definitely a 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:23.960 pleasant surprise. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:29.240 Okay, so let's not we're not going to talk yet 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:30.880 about this week's episode. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.520 Okay, what is your up until this week? 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.880 What is your relationship with Rachel is it? Is there 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.680 anything going on or is it really. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:42.360 Just more of a friendship. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.240 Yeah, because all we've seen, like we saw you guys 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.080 make it out a little in the pool, definitely hanging out. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.000 You're getting listed as you know, one of the couples 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.680 on the beach. But we do see after the Truth 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.560 Circle where you say you were kind of interested in 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.000 exploring with Jess, you and Rachel have a conversation where 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.719 she's kind of like, yeah, like go whatever, and you 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.240 guys are You're kind of like, okay, we're on the 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.440 same page. Like there's kind of an acknowledgement that maybe 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.000 things aren't that serious, but we'd love to hear from 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:07.680 your perspective. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.080 Yeah, I think we were on the same page. She 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.040 was great. Rachel was so cool. She's very chill, definitely 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.200 different than what I expected. But yeah, I think it 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:18.960 was one of those things for me in particular, like 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.719 Rachel was really great. I enjoyed spending time with her, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.240 but just in the back of my mind, there was 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.839 always that like I had a great conversation with Jess 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.880 the first day we were there, so it was always like, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.000 I feel great about both of these people, but I'm 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.679 hanging out with Rachel, Jess was with Blake at the time, 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:35.560 and no one was really stepping on toe. So there's 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:36.880 always that thing in the back of my mind where 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.480 it's like, I should have explored this a little bit further, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:40.680 because I don't want to get down to the end 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.320 and like have any any regrets or any thoughts about 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.960 why didn't I kind of take that opportunity, I guess. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.200 So it was tough for me because I was kind 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.800 of in half in half out with Rachel, which is 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.160 not fair to her, but I just couldn't get it 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:54.560 out of my head for whatever reason. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.600 Do you think if you would have been all in 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.760 on Rachel, she would have been all in. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:02.880 Yeah, I don't know. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:03.560 I don't know. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.640 I think we're definitely taking it slow, remembering what it 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.400 was like in the beach at first. I think maybe 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.400 if I had put a little bit more effort and 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.360 attention to that relationship, it would have been great to 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.920 kind of see where it went. But I don't know. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:22.240 Who knows what stopped you from pursuing Jess more heavily 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:23.080 in the beginning. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:24.280 Yeah, because you did. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.200 You just you just said something that we talked about 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.720 in our recap that it does seem like this year 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.280 people don't want to step on. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.160 Other people's toes, Like, no, everyone's playing it. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:35.760 Yeah. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.000 I don't know if like, maybe we could be totally 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.040 off here, but really it feels like there's this like 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.480 mutual agreement or unspoken thing ayund the beach where like 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.840 no one wants to step on anyone's toes. Really, but 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:49.080 we could be totally off. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.080 No, I think you guys are spot on. I think 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:53.960 from day one it was one of those things that 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.960 after the first night, there was no one really flip 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.720 flopping their connections or even trying to flip flop. So 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.560 that made it a little bit uncomfortable for me, where 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.240 I was like, I really do want to like talk 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.280 to Jess more, but no one is doing this. Do 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.040 I want to be the guy that steps on people's 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.000 toes and like tries to do it. So that was 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.880 a struggle for me when we were filming, was like, man, like, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.240 no one's flip flopping. I wanted someone to just go 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:18.800 and like try to flip flop real quick so I'd 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.120 out have an open door, but didn't happen that way. 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.520 Yeah, I feel like the only person that kind of 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.160 flip flopped was Aaron B. But he did it like 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.360 so fast, like beginning of day two that it was like, yeah, 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.080 it almost doesn't count, you know what I mean. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.760 I didn't even know that Aaron BA and Mercedes had 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.120 that conversation the first night, so I didn't even know 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.240 that he flip flopped until I was watching it back. 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:41.920 But it was very early on. 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.600 So yeah, so fast, So are okay? 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.079 So then we see you go, you go make another 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:53.600 move at Jess, But what is Blake in Jess's relationship? 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.319 Like before you do that, like where are they? 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.080 Yeah, I think That's why I went and had that conversation. 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.280 I think they were I don't know, it's felt like 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.400 they were on the same page, like they're still open 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.520 to exploring new things. I think Jess, I've mentioned that 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.760 at the bonfire Blake did. I think at that stage 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.560 when we're in Paradise, people were still open. So I 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.880 was just going to check in I guess on where 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.400 they're at. But they were great. There was never any 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.079 problems between them. They seemed like they were happy and 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:22.880 having fun. 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.400 So yeah, So would you or, like with the people 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.400 on the beach, consider them one of the stronger couples 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.640 at this point or are people like uncertain of where 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.480 they stand because I know it's kind of that time 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.840 in Paradise where it's like people are deciding if they're 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.400 going to keep exploring, if they're going to be exclusive. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.319 Like I feel like we're kind of in that window 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:43.160 in this episode. 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:48.720 Yeah. I I so just fast forward into the truth 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.760 Fox real quick. People I guess were doubting the relationship 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.920 like I was. I didn't put anything in that thing, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.720 but I guess people were talking about how it was 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.640 just very safe, like they weren't really guess that into 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.240 each other, which I don't know, you have to ask them, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.160 but I think people had in their mind that they 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.280 weren't as serious as they may have been shown. 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.800 But you had to feel that a little bit for 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:11.800 you to go take a shot. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.520 Yeah, Like I feel like if they were super strong, 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.880 you would have been like, there's just no chance there, right, Yeah, 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.960 I caution to the way and like I don't even care. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.720 I mean, like honestly, I was just chewing my shot 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.240 at that point, I guess, but yeah, I think that 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.440 I must have felt something the moment that there might 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.720 they might not be as strong as people think, or yeah, 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.160 it was one of those things where you know, I 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:35.959 just took my shot. 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.040 That was great. I mean, listen, you gotta go. You 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:40.960 gotta take your shots. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.280 We were saying, Sean, we feel like you're the kind 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.680 of guy that's like you don't want a gray answer, 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.560 like you want a yes or no, and if you're 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.040 not sure if she's into you, like when it comes 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.480 to like if someone's like into your interested or not, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.360 like and I feel like you kind of threw it 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.240 out there at the true circle and like you didn't 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.120 get like a hard yes, hard no. And I feel 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.640 like you were like looking in that conversation like do 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.160 I have a chance with you or not? 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.280 I think that makes it easier just in relationship to 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.040 general when it's pretty clear. But yeah, I would love 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:14.560 to know, like where I stand with people. Obviously we 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.360 found out I guess where I stood with her. I 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.160 wish she would have told me a little bit clearer. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.240 But how do you feel like the convo wet like 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.280 at the end where you like, Okay, I'm glad I 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.920 had that moving on, Like what was your feeling leaving 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:26.480 the conversation? 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.960 I remember feeling leaving the conversation like what the fuck 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:35.280 did we just talk about? Honestly, but I think it 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.040 gave me clarity in one way. It wasn't necessarily with 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.200 her words, but more with just like the feeling I 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.480 had leaving there. So it was a helpful conversation for me. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.720 I don't know if we accomplished much, to be honest 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:47.520 with you, I don't. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:52.240 Know, but I mean, I mean essentially it leads to 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.720 your demise because then we see everything that goes on 0:11:55.800 --> 0:12:01.000 with Rachel. So was that getting that clarity worth it? 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:02.600 Or do you kind of wish you just want to 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:03.480 just wait it? 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.520 I mean, I think for me, truthfully, it was one 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.240 of those things I had to figure that out, Like 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.600 I had to go in and have that conversation. And 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:14.600 at the end of the day, if me and Rachel 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.920 weren't gonna like make it past that, we probably wouldn't 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.360 have lasted and may have found some different people the 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.520 next week. It was never for me, like I truly 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.679 did want to find somebody, so like going into that 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.640 conversation was very very helpful, like, hey, like, what are 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.680 my options here? Who do I like? Who am I 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.720 bodying with? And it was giving me a clarity one 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.679 way or the other. But obviously I guess that conversation 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.920 was the catalyst to mine and Rachel's demise. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:51.800 Yeah, well let's talk about that a little bit. So 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.600 you're chatting with Jess, and we see Brandon go over 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.600 to Rachel on the beach and he's kind of trying 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.959 to suss out how serious the relationship is with you 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.760 and her, if he's got a chance, if there's no opening, 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.760 Like I feel like you kind of hit the domino 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:13.000 effect of people now jumping ship, Like you've. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.440 You've opened that door. You did you're the first person 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:15.920 that did it. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:21.320 You start, you started this train, So Braiden's now like, hmm, 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.760 Sean's taken his shot, I'm gonna go take mine. And 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.880 I don't know if he was, like if it was 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.560 his move to bring this up, or if he was 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.840 genuinely just trying to figure it out, but he basically 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.400 says that you have been portraying it, that Rachel's really 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.880 into you and you're not sure. That's what Brandon tells her, 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.680 and that leads to a superheated conversation between you and Rachel, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.840 heated on her end, where she's like, Hey, what the 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:46.640 hell is going on? 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.400 Can you just kind of walk us through what happened there? 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.240 Yeah? I Uh, it was confusing, Like that whole thing 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.600 was really confusing because I had talked to Rachel previously 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.920 before going to jess kause, Hey, I want to have 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.400 this conversation, like great conversation with her earlier on. I 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.280 just wanted to see where things at and we had 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.000 already talked about we're pretty open with that, and she 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.480 was so understanding. She was great. So then I come 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.200 back from that conversation and I have the conversation with Rachel, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.520 So I was like, wait, you just told me like hey, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.680 like go have that conversation, and now you're mad at me. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.800 I'm a little bit confused. I had no idea at 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.440 that point that Braiden had kind of led that catalyst 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:23.720 in there. So I'm like, all right, like what did 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.520 Brayden say? Why? Like why is he betraying like that? 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.560 Because I remember talking to Braiden and at this point, right, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.640 like me and Brayden didn't necessarily get along on the Bachelorette, 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.840 but we were friends in Paradise, and like I really 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.320 enjoyed spending time with him, and there was definitely a 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.960 change in my opinion of him. And I remember sitting 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.200 at night in the palapas like with him and Aaron asked, 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.760 and like we were closed, right, And I remember talking 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.920 about like, hey, like I really like hanging out with Rachel, like, 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.680 but there's something that's just like holding me back from 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.240 fully committing. So that's kind of how I was portraying it. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.480 And that's not necessarily that it was like, oh my god, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.360 like Rachel's way more into me than I am with her, 0:14:58.400 --> 0:14:59.680 and like I just want to stay here. It was 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:01.080 more so that I was like I need to figure 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.880 this out from my own internal perspective to figure out 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.480 if I'm going to move on with Rachel or like 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.920 figure out things with Jess. So to come back and 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.040 kind of see Braden like put in a negative light, 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.560 it was definitely I felt a little betrayed, felt a 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.320 little hurt. It sucked like that that night in Paradise. Fuck, 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.840 it sucks, man like it was it was not good. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:24.000 No that that yeah, yeah that's fair. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.680 That Yeah it looked like it sucks. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:27.680 So you you. 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.760 Pull Braid into the side that you guys have a conversation. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.640 And he he didn't really hide it. He basically told 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:41.720 you I said this right, yeah, and how and then what? 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.120 What was the conversation after that? 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.840 You guys just like we're not We're not cool? Are you? 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.960 Like okay, like we're still friends? Like what's the deal? 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.760 Yeah? I think so thinking back to that night, I 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.560 remember like having to do all those interviews, right, and 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.480 I was pissed, Like I was just furious. I felt 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.920 like I had I didn't betrayed a little bit, but 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.080 a guy who I was like just there for like 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.960 really helping him out through the situation with Kat and 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.880 like we had mended our relationship, and I was really 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:08.360 enjoying spending time with him. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.200 Do you then, like, do you do you also sorry 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:12.760 to cut you off. 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.520 Do you feel that Kat played Braiden. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.560 I don't think Cat play Braiden, And like, I think 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.200 Kat is actually a really good person. I don't I 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.160 think I don't think she played Braiden. I think that 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.360 she was doing paradise, She was going in, had a 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.840 relationship with flinging with Braiden, like felt great about at 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.160 the time, went on a great day with Hannah, and 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.320 like she was upfront and honest with Braiden throughout the 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.240 entirety of the thing. So I don't think she necessarily 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.560 played him. I think that people definitely thought that Cat 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.760 plate Braiden, and from the outside looking in, you can 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.760 make that assumption. Me personally, I don't think Kat plate Braiden. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.320 Okay, keep going, what was the what do we ask? 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.600 We're on Braiden with a Braiden conversation right now? 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:56.040 Yeah? 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.200 Yeah, So I remember still betrayed, and I went and 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.960 after having all these interviews, which the one thing for 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.159 people that watch the show, when you're getting told to 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.159 do interviews in the middle of stuff like that, like 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.800 it's super frustrating because You're like, I just I truly 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.359 just wanted to figure out what the fuck was going on, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.840 Like I had no idea, Like my entire world on 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.440 Parentis has just been shifted upside down no matter. 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.000 Like you're you're crumbling and you're getting pulled left and 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.280 right to do in interviews and now you can't even 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:28.000 fix what you kind of started and everything's falling apart. 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.879 Yeah, and I still never knew what Brayden said to Rachel. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.760 So the entire time, I'm like, what the fuck is 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.920 this guy saying? Like I have no idea the whole 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:35.760 this point? 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.320 At this point, do you just think that Rachel is 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.200 mad at you for talking to Jess? Are you kind 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:43.399