Speaker 1: Hey, every well, welcome to Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena.
Speaker 1: Yea, we are here with Sean from Bechelor and Paradise,
Speaker 1: who we always refer to as Hot Sean.
Speaker 2: We do. It's really stuck.
Speaker 3: That nickname has really transitioned from your past to your
Speaker 3: president Sean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has. Well, Thank you all for having me,
Speaker 4: appreciate it and looking forward to talking about this episode
Speaker 4: with you.
Speaker 2: Sean. Is this your third time on Happy Hour?
Speaker 4: I think second, second time we did after the tell All,
Speaker 4: which was fun. I don't think. Yeah, it's only my
Speaker 4: second time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's never been on.
Speaker 5: You've never been on as a solo guest.
Speaker 4: No, you guys never had me on.
Speaker 2: So oh, welcome, Happy to have you here.
Speaker 5: Don't give us attitude already.
Speaker 4: Shot right, I'm just messing with you all. I'm just
Speaker 4: messing you just got here.
Speaker 5: Why you can you explain real quick?
Speaker 1: Just a very uh, just a little breakdown of why
Speaker 1: you are Hot Sean.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Hot Sean started when I was a turned at
Speaker 4: Barstow Sports. So I was going to college in Fordham.
Speaker 4: Ended up getting hooked up with some of the guys
Speaker 4: there my first day when I show up to the office.
Speaker 4: There's a group of guys that don't necessarily look like me.
Speaker 4: I guess you could say. So Dave el friends was
Speaker 4: recording the rundown and I was sitting there doing my work,
Speaker 4: just going through like their social media accounts, and he
Speaker 4: looks at me and he's like, who the fuck is
Speaker 4: this kid? What is he doing here? And then he's like, say,
Speaker 4: I say. He said I was too good looking to
Speaker 4: be there, and then he wrote a blog about it,
Speaker 4: and then it just stuck. And now thankfully, I guess
Speaker 4: it stuck.
Speaker 2: There are worse nicknames to have, for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't hate it at all. I mean it's a
Speaker 4: pretty good one, ugly Sean, like your looking Sean. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not bad.
Speaker 5: Okay, so we uh we see you.
Speaker 1: You know, let's you're you're in Paradise and he hesitations
Speaker 1: and going to Paradise?
Speaker 5: Were you all in right when they asked you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're Actually was some hesitation. So when I got
Speaker 4: sent home from the bachelorette, I had a miscall from
Speaker 4: the people that were casting for Paradise. It was like
Speaker 4: so quick, I just got in the door and my
Speaker 4: place here in Tampa and I had just taken off
Speaker 4: a bunch of time for work, so I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, Like, I need some time to decompress
Speaker 4: think about it. And I honestly was turned off against
Speaker 4: it initially just because it was so quick and it
Speaker 4: really isn't a really quick jump from the bachelorette to
Speaker 4: filming Paradise. And then the more I thought about it
Speaker 4: and thought more about the time I had on a bachelorette,
Speaker 4: the people I met, like, I really did have a
Speaker 4: great experience, had so much fun. So I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, let's go back for a round two.
Speaker 4: Let's do it. So after a deep thought, wasn't.
Speaker 5: Too bad and you quit your job?
Speaker 4: Correct, I would say, let go. So there's there's a
Speaker 4: story that I wish made the Bachelorette where we're in
Speaker 4: New Orleans and I had to get a phone call
Speaker 4: from anybody at all and I get pulled into a
Speaker 4: room and there's a phone there and I take this
Speaker 4: phone call to my work. They're like, Hey, you don't
Speaker 4: come back to work on Monday, You're fired. And it
Speaker 4: was just before hometown, so I was kind of deep
Speaker 4: into it, so I was like, oh my god, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: But I kind of pulled like a Jordan Bell for
Speaker 4: It moment where I was like, I'm not fucking leaving.
Speaker 4: So then I ended up getting sent home like right
Speaker 4: after that, and then went to work on Monday. So
Speaker 4: I got back to Tampa on a Sunday, show up
Speaker 4: at the office on Monday, no time to decompress. So
Speaker 4: then I went back. I was like, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: I want to go do Paradise and they're like, absolutely not.
Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, well, I guess they're
Speaker 4: not going to work out for us.
Speaker 5: Then well, and what do you do?
Speaker 4: I'm in sales I work for I used to sell
Speaker 4: paper on HR software. Now I work for a tax
Speaker 4: advisory firm in their sales team.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you got you got another job?
Speaker 4: I did? I did get another job. Yeah, we're good'd that's.
Speaker 5: Good the hair.
Speaker 1: So going into Paradise, who who are you the most
Speaker 1: interesting in?
Speaker 5: Who are you looking forward to see it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Going into Paradise, I was definitely looking forward to to
Speaker 4: meeting Jess Yeah really yeah, no worries.
Speaker 1: Did you think the swifty line was gonna was gonna work?
Speaker 2: And are you really a swift? Ye?
Speaker 4: I need to know who I pissed off in the
Speaker 4: Chyroinde apartment because I actually am a swift. Ye, I
Speaker 4: love Taylor Swift. I that was the first show I
Speaker 4: went to when I get back in the Bachelotte, like
Speaker 4: two days after filming, went to Taylor Swift show in Tampa.
Speaker 4: So I'm a little pissed off when they were calling
Speaker 4: me out for not being a Swifty. I don't necessarily
Speaker 4: know if that was gonna work, but she had. I
Speaker 4: think she had just gone to a tailor Swift show,
Speaker 4: as did I. It was just something that we had
Speaker 4: in common. I also met Kat before, not in person,
Speaker 4: but she lived in Tampa at the time and we
Speaker 4: had some mutual friends. So I kind of connected with
Speaker 4: her afterwards, and she helped me out quite a bit
Speaker 4: actually leaving the Bachelotte, because it is it's tough to
Speaker 4: adjust back to a normal life for a little bit afterwards,
Speaker 4: so she was really really helpful in that aspect. But
Speaker 4: those really the only two people that even knew. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I was excited to see Jess.
Speaker 3: Long story short, so we see you. You know, kind
Speaker 3: of hit on Jess a little bit, but you end
Speaker 3: up having a connection with Rachel. Were you expecting to
Speaker 3: see her down there? Was that a surprise to you?
Speaker 4: Definitely a shock to see Rachel on the beach. Obviously
Speaker 4: being a bachelorette, there's only been I think one before
Speaker 4: that that's going down to Paradise, So definitely a shock.
Speaker 4: So I think I had it in my mind where
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, like Jess is going to be there,
Speaker 4: excited to see her, and then Rachel was definitely a
Speaker 4: pleasant surprise.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's not we're not going to talk yet
Speaker 1: about this week's episode.
Speaker 5: Okay, what is your up until this week?
Speaker 1: What is your relationship with Rachel is it? Is there
Speaker 1: anything going on or is it really.
Speaker 5: Just more of a friendship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because all we've seen, like we saw you guys
Speaker 3: make it out a little in the pool, definitely hanging out.
Speaker 3: You're getting listed as you know, one of the couples
Speaker 3: on the beach. But we do see after the Truth
Speaker 3: Circle where you say you were kind of interested in
Speaker 3: exploring with Jess, you and Rachel have a conversation where
Speaker 3: she's kind of like, yeah, like go whatever, and you
Speaker 3: guys are You're kind of like, okay, we're on the
Speaker 3: same page. Like there's kind of an acknowledgement that maybe
Speaker 3: things aren't that serious, but we'd love to hear from
Speaker 3: your perspective.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we were on the same page. She
Speaker 4: was great. Rachel was so cool. She's very chill, definitely
Speaker 4: different than what I expected. But yeah, I think it
Speaker 4: was one of those things for me in particular, like
Speaker 4: Rachel was really great. I enjoyed spending time with her,
Speaker 4: but just in the back of my mind, there was
Speaker 4: always that like I had a great conversation with Jess
Speaker 4: the first day we were there, so it was always like,
Speaker 4: I feel great about both of these people, but I'm
Speaker 4: hanging out with Rachel, Jess was with Blake at the time,
Speaker 4: and no one was really stepping on toe. So there's
Speaker 4: always that thing in the back of my mind where
Speaker 4: it's like, I should have explored this a little bit further,
Speaker 4: because I don't want to get down to the end
Speaker 4: and like have any any regrets or any thoughts about
Speaker 4: why didn't I kind of take that opportunity, I guess.
Speaker 4: So it was tough for me because I was kind
Speaker 4: of in half in half out with Rachel, which is
Speaker 4: not fair to her, but I just couldn't get it
Speaker 4: out of my head for whatever reason.
Speaker 5: Do you think if you would have been all in
Speaker 5: on Rachel, she would have been all in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think we're definitely taking it slow, remembering what it
Speaker 4: was like in the beach at first. I think maybe
Speaker 4: if I had put a little bit more effort and
Speaker 4: attention to that relationship, it would have been great to
Speaker 4: kind of see where it went. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Who knows what stopped you from pursuing Jess more heavily
Speaker 3: in the beginning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you did.
Speaker 1: You just you just said something that we talked about
Speaker 1: in our recap that it does seem like this year
Speaker 1: people don't want to step on.
Speaker 5: Other people's toes, Like, no, everyone's playing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if like, maybe we could be totally
Speaker 3: off here, but really it feels like there's this like
Speaker 3: mutual agreement or unspoken thing ayund the beach where like
Speaker 3: no one wants to step on anyone's toes. Really, but
Speaker 3: we could be totally off.
Speaker 4: No, I think you guys are spot on. I think
Speaker 4: from day one it was one of those things that
Speaker 4: after the first night, there was no one really flip
Speaker 4: flopping their connections or even trying to flip flop. So
Speaker 4: that made it a little bit uncomfortable for me, where
Speaker 4: I was like, I really do want to like talk
Speaker 4: to Jess more, but no one is doing this. Do
Speaker 4: I want to be the guy that steps on people's
Speaker 4: toes and like tries to do it. So that was
Speaker 4: a struggle for me when we were filming, was like, man, like,
Speaker 4: no one's flip flopping. I wanted someone to just go
Speaker 4: and like try to flip flop real quick so I'd
Speaker 4: out have an open door, but didn't happen that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the only person that kind of
Speaker 3: flip flopped was Aaron B. But he did it like
Speaker 3: so fast, like beginning of day two that it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it almost doesn't count, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know that Aaron BA and Mercedes had
Speaker 4: that conversation the first night, so I didn't even know
Speaker 4: that he flip flopped until I was watching it back.
Speaker 4: But it was very early on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so fast, So are okay?
Speaker 1: So then we see you go, you go make another
Speaker 1: move at Jess, But what is Blake in Jess's relationship?
Speaker 5: Like before you do that, like where are they?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think That's why I went and had that conversation.
Speaker 4: I think they were I don't know, it's felt like
Speaker 4: they were on the same page, like they're still open
Speaker 4: to exploring new things. I think Jess, I've mentioned that
Speaker 4: at the bonfire Blake did. I think at that stage
Speaker 4: when we're in Paradise, people were still open. So I
Speaker 4: was just going to check in I guess on where
Speaker 4: they're at. But they were great. There was never any
Speaker 4: problems between them. They seemed like they were happy and
Speaker 4: having fun.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So would you or, like with the people
Speaker 3: on the beach, consider them one of the stronger couples
Speaker 3: at this point or are people like uncertain of where
Speaker 3: they stand because I know it's kind of that time
Speaker 3: in Paradise where it's like people are deciding if they're
Speaker 3: going to keep exploring, if they're going to be exclusive.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like we're kind of in that window
Speaker 2: in this episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I I so just fast forward into the truth
Speaker 4: Fox real quick. People I guess were doubting the relationship
Speaker 4: like I was. I didn't put anything in that thing,
Speaker 4: but I guess people were talking about how it was
Speaker 4: just very safe, like they weren't really guess that into
Speaker 4: each other, which I don't know, you have to ask them,
Speaker 4: but I think people had in their mind that they
Speaker 4: weren't as serious as they may have been shown.
Speaker 5: But you had to feel that a little bit for
Speaker 5: you to go take a shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I feel like if they were super strong,
Speaker 3: you would have been like, there's just no chance there, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I caution to the way and like I don't even care.
Speaker 4: I mean, like honestly, I was just chewing my shot
Speaker 4: at that point, I guess, but yeah, I think that
Speaker 4: I must have felt something the moment that there might
Speaker 4: they might not be as strong as people think, or yeah,
Speaker 4: it was one of those things where you know, I
Speaker 4: just took my shot.
Speaker 5: That was great. I mean, listen, you gotta go. You
Speaker 5: gotta take your shots.
Speaker 3: We were saying, Sean, we feel like you're the kind
Speaker 3: of guy that's like you don't want a gray answer,
Speaker 3: like you want a yes or no, and if you're
Speaker 3: not sure if she's into you, like when it comes
Speaker 3: to like if someone's like into your interested or not,
Speaker 3: like and I feel like you kind of threw it
Speaker 3: out there at the true circle and like you didn't
Speaker 3: get like a hard yes, hard no. And I feel
Speaker 3: like you were like looking in that conversation like do
Speaker 3: I have a chance with you or not?
Speaker 4: I think that makes it easier just in relationship to
Speaker 4: general when it's pretty clear. But yeah, I would love
Speaker 4: to know, like where I stand with people. Obviously we
Speaker 4: found out I guess where I stood with her. I
Speaker 4: wish she would have told me a little bit clearer.
Speaker 3: But how do you feel like the convo wet like
Speaker 3: at the end where you like, Okay, I'm glad I
Speaker 3: had that moving on, Like what was your feeling leaving
Speaker 3: the conversation?
Speaker 4: I remember feeling leaving the conversation like what the fuck
Speaker 4: did we just talk about? Honestly, but I think it
Speaker 4: gave me clarity in one way. It wasn't necessarily with
Speaker 4: her words, but more with just like the feeling I
Speaker 4: had leaving there. So it was a helpful conversation for me.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we accomplished much, to be honest
Speaker 4: with you, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, but I mean, I mean essentially it leads to
Speaker 1: your demise because then we see everything that goes on
Speaker 1: with Rachel. So was that getting that clarity worth it?
Speaker 1: Or do you kind of wish you just want to
Speaker 1: just wait it?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think for me, truthfully, it was one
Speaker 4: of those things I had to figure that out, Like
Speaker 4: I had to go in and have that conversation. And
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, if me and Rachel
Speaker 4: weren't gonna like make it past that, we probably wouldn't
Speaker 4: have lasted and may have found some different people the
Speaker 4: next week. It was never for me, like I truly
Speaker 4: did want to find somebody, so like going into that
Speaker 4: conversation was very very helpful, like, hey, like, what are
Speaker 4: my options here? Who do I like? Who am I
Speaker 4: bodying with? And it was giving me a clarity one
Speaker 4: way or the other. But obviously I guess that conversation
Speaker 4: was the catalyst to mine and Rachel's demise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well let's talk about that a little bit. So
Speaker 3: you're chatting with Jess, and we see Brandon go over
Speaker 3: to Rachel on the beach and he's kind of trying
Speaker 3: to suss out how serious the relationship is with you
Speaker 3: and her, if he's got a chance, if there's no opening,
Speaker 3: Like I feel like you kind of hit the domino
Speaker 3: effect of people now jumping ship, Like you've.
Speaker 2: You've opened that door. You did you're the first person
Speaker 2: that did it.
Speaker 3: You start, you started this train, So Braiden's now like, hmm,
Speaker 3: Sean's taken his shot, I'm gonna go take mine. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was, like if it was
Speaker 3: his move to bring this up, or if he was
Speaker 3: genuinely just trying to figure it out, but he basically
Speaker 3: says that you have been portraying it, that Rachel's really
Speaker 3: into you and you're not sure. That's what Brandon tells her,
Speaker 3: and that leads to a superheated conversation between you and Rachel,
Speaker 3: heated on her end, where she's like, Hey, what the
Speaker 3: hell is going on?
Speaker 2: Can you just kind of walk us through what happened there?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I Uh, it was confusing, Like that whole thing
Speaker 4: was really confusing because I had talked to Rachel previously
Speaker 4: before going to jess kause, Hey, I want to have
Speaker 4: this conversation, like great conversation with her earlier on. I
Speaker 4: just wanted to see where things at and we had
Speaker 4: already talked about we're pretty open with that, and she
Speaker 4: was so understanding. She was great. So then I come
Speaker 4: back from that conversation and I have the conversation with Rachel,
Speaker 4: So I was like, wait, you just told me like hey,
Speaker 4: like go have that conversation, and now you're mad at me.
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit confused. I had no idea at
Speaker 4: that point that Braiden had kind of led that catalyst
Speaker 4: in there. So I'm like, all right, like what did
Speaker 4: Brayden say? Why? Like why is he betraying like that?
Speaker 4: Because I remember talking to Braiden and at this point, right,
Speaker 4: like me and Brayden didn't necessarily get along on the Bachelorette,
Speaker 4: but we were friends in Paradise, and like I really
Speaker 4: enjoyed spending time with him, and there was definitely a
Speaker 4: change in my opinion of him. And I remember sitting
Speaker 4: at night in the palapas like with him and Aaron asked,
Speaker 4: and like we were closed, right, And I remember talking
Speaker 4: about like, hey, like I really like hanging out with Rachel, like,
Speaker 4: but there's something that's just like holding me back from
Speaker 4: fully committing. So that's kind of how I was portraying it.
Speaker 4: And that's not necessarily that it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: like Rachel's way more into me than I am with her,
Speaker 4: and like I just want to stay here. It was
Speaker 4: more so that I was like I need to figure
Speaker 4: this out from my own internal perspective to figure out
Speaker 4: if I'm going to move on with Rachel or like
Speaker 4: figure out things with Jess. So to come back and
Speaker 4: kind of see Braden like put in a negative light,
Speaker 4: it was definitely I felt a little betrayed, felt a
Speaker 4: little hurt. It sucked like that that night in Paradise. Fuck,
Speaker 4: it sucks, man like it was it was not good.
Speaker 1: No that that yeah, yeah that's fair.
Speaker 2: That Yeah it looked like it sucks.
Speaker 5: So you you.
Speaker 1: Pull Braid into the side that you guys have a conversation.
Speaker 5: And he he didn't really hide it. He basically told
Speaker 5: you I said this right, yeah, and how and then what?
Speaker 5: What was the conversation after that?
Speaker 1: You guys just like we're not We're not cool? Are you?
Speaker 1: Like okay, like we're still friends? Like what's the deal?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so thinking back to that night, I
Speaker 4: remember like having to do all those interviews, right, and
Speaker 4: I was pissed, Like I was just furious. I felt
Speaker 4: like I had I didn't betrayed a little bit, but
Speaker 4: a guy who I was like just there for like
Speaker 4: really helping him out through the situation with Kat and
Speaker 4: like we had mended our relationship, and I was really
Speaker 4: enjoying spending time with him.
Speaker 1: Do you then, like, do you do you also sorry
Speaker 1: to cut you off.
Speaker 5: Do you feel that Kat played Braiden.
Speaker 4: I don't think Cat play Braiden, And like, I think
Speaker 4: Kat is actually a really good person. I don't I
Speaker 4: think I don't think she played Braiden. I think that
Speaker 4: she was doing paradise, She was going in, had a
Speaker 4: relationship with flinging with Braiden, like felt great about at
Speaker 4: the time, went on a great day with Hannah, and
Speaker 4: like she was upfront and honest with Braiden throughout the
Speaker 4: entirety of the thing. So I don't think she necessarily
Speaker 4: played him. I think that people definitely thought that Cat
Speaker 4: plate Braiden, and from the outside looking in, you can
Speaker 4: make that assumption. Me personally, I don't think Kat plate Braiden.
Speaker 5: Okay, keep going, what was the what do we ask?
Speaker 4: We're on Braiden with a Braiden conversation right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I remember still betrayed, and I went and
Speaker 4: after having all these interviews, which the one thing for
Speaker 4: people that watch the show, when you're getting told to
Speaker 4: do interviews in the middle of stuff like that, like
Speaker 4: it's super frustrating because You're like, I just I truly
Speaker 4: just wanted to figure out what the fuck was going on,
Speaker 4: Like I had no idea, Like my entire world on
Speaker 4: Parentis has just been shifted upside down no matter.
Speaker 1: Like you're you're crumbling and you're getting pulled left and
Speaker 1: right to do in interviews and now you can't even
Speaker 1: fix what you kind of started and everything's falling apart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I still never knew what Brayden said to Rachel.
Speaker 4: So the entire time, I'm like, what the fuck is
Speaker 4: this guy saying? Like I have no idea the whole
Speaker 4: this point?
Speaker 3: At this point, do you just think that Rachel is
Speaker 3: mad at you for talking to Jess? Are you kind
Speaker 3: of putting the pieces together?
Speaker 4: It was more so at first, like when we first
Speaker 4: had the conversation, I was like, you're mad at me
Speaker 4: for talking to Jess, Like I told you I was
Speaker 4: gonna go talk to her, Like I was very confused.
Speaker 4: And then she said that like Braiden was saying this,
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god, she's here we go.
Speaker 4: So then I was like, what is Brayden saying? Because
Speaker 4: I truly had no idea. So then I whole Braiden
Speaker 4: and I'm like, dude, like, well, what's going on? Because
Speaker 4: you before that he was just like I'm done with paradise,
Speaker 4: like I liked cat like we're dud, Like I'm when
Speaker 4: to go home with his robe semony will be good?
Speaker 4: Like no, man, like figure it out, stay like we
Speaker 4: want you here, like all the guys want you here,
Speaker 4: like don't don't quit yet? Little? Did I know that? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Little?
Speaker 4: And I know that that was.
Speaker 5: The bath all right? Does not sit back and do
Speaker 5: the math and who is there and who's not there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I wish that in my mind. I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, if you're not gonna quit, go after like
Speaker 4: someone else's girl, like not not one of the boys
Speaker 4: from from Charity Seasons, like go after Peters or something
Speaker 4: like that, not not mineor aaron ESS's or anyone else's.
Speaker 4: But I was just trying to get some clarity from Brayden,
Speaker 4: and like he he wasn't denying it or like defending
Speaker 4: it anyway. He's like, dude, I'm sorry, like like I
Speaker 4: fucked you over and he felt bad about it like afterwards,
Speaker 4: like seeing my reaction, I was like, man, like we're boys,
Speaker 4: Like why would you do that to me? Like in
Speaker 4: any way, Like I'm I'm kind of a rider die
Speaker 4: friend in a way, so like I'm never gonna put
Speaker 4: any of my guys in a position that's gonna get
Speaker 4: them into trouble with definitely a member, definitely within paradise
Speaker 4: or even outside of it. Like I'm gonna protect my guys.
Speaker 4: So it hurt and he admit he's like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: I fucked you. So after that, there's nothing I could do,
Speaker 4: Like what am I just gonna harp on it and
Speaker 4: like just get be more upset with him. I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 4: like we're good now. He came up giving me a
Speaker 4: hug the next morning and I was like, ah, it
Speaker 4: just sucks, like it it sucked, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you're kind and at that point you're just
Speaker 1: like Rachel, me and you and Rachel are done at
Speaker 1: this point, Like there's no saving that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't think there was any saving that
Speaker 4: in that in that moment, I think there was almost
Speaker 4: right so before the truth Box, like we didn't have
Speaker 4: time during the day, so I was gonna go talk
Speaker 4: to her and try to smooth things over and just
Speaker 4: see where things are at. Did I think me and
Speaker 4: Rachel were gonna last outside of Paradise after that conversation.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not, but like, hey, like maybe someone was coming
Speaker 4: down those steps to maybe throw me a lifeline, or
Speaker 4: maybe I found someone else who knows. I didn't want
Speaker 4: to leave, like one thing was when you're in it,
Speaker 4: like I really did want to stay, so I was
Speaker 4: gonna spoit things over. And then obviously the truth box happened,
Speaker 4: and I was like, all right, well, I'm definitely not
Speaker 4: kidding Rachel's rose, so figure it out here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's talk about the truth box a little bit.
Speaker 3: So Aaron s smashes the box and you guys read
Speaker 3: everything inside.
Speaker 2: Obviously what we see mostly is Braiden.
Speaker 3: I guess put a bunch of Brayden and Rachel should
Speaker 3: make out notes in there, which was kind of funny,
Speaker 3: and then good move. But what else can you give us?
Speaker 3: Anything else? Actually, I do want to ask you something
Speaker 3: we did see. Someone wrote, what was it? Bro I
Speaker 3: don't think that Kat has Jess's best interest or something
Speaker 3: along the lines of, like, I don't think Kat is
Speaker 3: helping Jess in the way she thinks she is something
Speaker 3: like that, And I feel like we never really got
Speaker 3: full context onto what that was about.
Speaker 2: Can you give us a little insight?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say, I'm gonna call it the entire
Speaker 4: cast here in the truth box. Like as soon as
Speaker 4: I think I put on the bar, everyone was running
Speaker 4: writing down notes and like I'm like, you guys just
Speaker 4: can't say this, like just say it out like that's
Speaker 4: how you feel. And I will say, I didn't write
Speaker 4: anything about anyone other than that, well, should probably stop
Speaker 4: stop pouring half shots at tequila. That's the only way
Speaker 4: I put in there for that one. Oh my god, Jesus, Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I was that was the only thing I wrote.
Speaker 4: I'm also the type of person where like if I
Speaker 4: had an opinion one way or the other, like I'll
Speaker 4: tell you like I didn't have an opinion on anything
Speaker 4: other than that. Like if I was gonna have a
Speaker 4: problem with like cat playing Jess or anything like that,
Speaker 4: I would have just told Kat, like, hey, you're probably
Speaker 4: being a shitty friend. But I don't think she was,
Speaker 4: Like I truly don't think she was being mean or
Speaker 4: if not doing just any favors by it by any way.
Speaker 4: And then all the relationships like Kylie and Nathan and
Speaker 4: Blake and Jess and like cat playing, Braid and I
Speaker 4: was like, you guys could just said that to people,
Speaker 4: like you didn't have to write it down in a
Speaker 4: note and then be anonymous with it, like just be
Speaker 4: up front.
Speaker 1: Well everyone's I mean, it does honestly, everyone's playing it safe.
Speaker 5: That's that that has been the issue.
Speaker 1: But now we're starting to see all that crumbled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got the truth circle, We've got the truth box.
Speaker 3: You guys really need like a game to facilitate things
Speaker 3: to go on.
Speaker 1: I want you, I want you to answer this honestly. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you were on if you were one of the
Speaker 1: guys on Rachel's season, how how far you think you
Speaker 1: would have went?
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, well, he had a.
Speaker 5: Connection with her in Paradise and Bachelorette's a little different.
Speaker 5: You've you've experienced it, you experienced with Charity. You think
Speaker 5: you think you.
Speaker 1: Would have went further with Rachel than with Charity than
Speaker 1: he did with Charity.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I don't think so. I think
Speaker 4: I think Rachel, Tyler Norris was there even was there. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful that I was on Charity season, like truly,
Speaker 4: like the whole it was like the best experience the
Speaker 4: guys were amazing. She was awesome. It would be tough
Speaker 4: for me to go back and put myself into like
Speaker 4: Rachel and Gaby season like the two Batchelor. So I
Speaker 4: was very grateful.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: I think I was where I was supposed to be
Speaker 4: with the Charity season. I only would have made it
Speaker 4: any further, probably about the same spot. Maybe, who knows.
Speaker 3: Okay, back to my question because I still want to
Speaker 3: know because I want the tea. What what did they
Speaker 3: mean by Kat isn't being a good friend to Jess?
Speaker 4: So I guess that Tanner was high on Jess's list
Speaker 4: going into Paradise, but Tanner was also high in Kat's list,
Speaker 4: So you know when when Tanner asked Canada date, like,
Speaker 4: what do people expect her not to go on that date?
Speaker 4: If she wanted to meet Tanner? And I think that
Speaker 4: they had talked about that previously. I'm sure they had to.
Speaker 4: They're really close, So I don't know if people just
Speaker 4: like to get into other people's friendships. I guess and
Speaker 4: like say stuff, but I think Kat and Dress are great.
Speaker 4: I think they're still friends.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like that probably didn't I mean
Speaker 2: and will work.
Speaker 1: She was supposed to do anyways, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, Tanner talked to both of them and
Speaker 1: he chose yeah, say no, no, take Jesse even the
Speaker 1: life still like you like it was just that's just
Speaker 1: a complicated situation.
Speaker 4: It would have been so stupid for Catnots except that
Speaker 4: date and also Tanner's like you said, Tanners booked to
Speaker 4: both of them and he chose.
Speaker 3: Cat Yeah, he obviously had a better connection with her.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, is there anything else from
Speaker 3: the truth box that we didn't say?
Speaker 4: I think they hit the nail on the head, But
Speaker 4: I wrote the well sh stop pooring half shots to
Speaker 4: kill it. I get credit for that, and that was
Speaker 4: the only thing that I put in that truth box.
Speaker 2: So it will set the record straight. We will set that.
Speaker 1: So now we see we basically see you and Aaroness
Speaker 1: sitting around kind of like we're fucked, and you you're
Speaker 1: vocalizing that you don't want to go home and again
Speaker 1: you're in this now. Is there any girl within Bachelor
Speaker 1: Nation that you're hoping comes down that you think you
Speaker 1: may have a chance with?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say at that point, and just like
Speaker 4: knowing girls from past seasons, I would say I was
Speaker 4: probably hoping Dabya came down or literally, I think in
Speaker 4: the moment, I was just like anybody, just like let's
Speaker 4: figure it out, like just need something. I was so defeated.
Speaker 4: I remember like that night and by the way, I
Speaker 4: didn't sleep the night before, like at all, Like that
Speaker 4: shit with Braydon happened at like three in the morning,
Speaker 4: and you got to do interviews afterwards, and I went
Speaker 4: to bed and I was like, I can't sleep, my
Speaker 4: mind is racing. So I went out and I just
Speaker 4: chilled on the beach and watched the sunrise. I didn't
Speaker 4: know we had security on the beach at night, so
Speaker 4: I come out of the plapas, I'm like walking downstairs
Speaker 4: and then I just get hit in the face with
Speaker 4: flashlights and he speaking Spanish to me, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, am I about to get teased or something.
Speaker 4: I was like, no, no, no, I'm on the cast. I'm
Speaker 4: on the cast. He was like okay, and then we
Speaker 4: just sat there. I didn't know what to say to
Speaker 4: him because I couldn't speak Spanish. So We're sitting there
Speaker 4: on the day bed and I'm just like looking at him.
Speaker 4: He's looking over we didn't talk. We just sat there
Speaker 4: for like thirty minutes, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: here we go.
Speaker 2: It's actually so funny. I didn't know we had security
Speaker 2: and at either Yeah.
Speaker 5: I had run into security.
Speaker 2: Really Oh my gosh, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 5: Protect it down there.
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, So I mean it kind of looks like
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 5: Are are you?
Speaker 1: And Aaron asked basically just like yeah, we're making peace
Speaker 1: with it. We're going home, and what is Oh, what's
Speaker 1: the deal with John B and Aaron B. Is it
Speaker 1: kind of obvious that Eliza's gonna like who's Eliza gonna choose?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're coming with because we don't. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: so I think coming back from the date, I think
Speaker 4: she was gonna gonna choose Aaron B. I think that
Speaker 4: her and John had a great date and John John
Speaker 4: Be is one of my boys. Like it was great
Speaker 4: seeing like all those guys because I was the first
Speaker 4: time that I hadn't seen any of them since filming
Speaker 4: The Bachelorette, So me Aaron asked obviously to close Aaron B.
Speaker 4: But that was tough, right, Like John B and Aaron
Speaker 4: B are friends, So coming down with a date card
Speaker 4: and a lot of your guys from that season are
Speaker 4: already on the beach. It's tough to go and make
Speaker 4: a decision where you're like, man, like, do I really
Speaker 4: want to take Aaron's girl on a date? Like? Do
Speaker 4: I want to take Sean's girl on a day? Do
Speaker 4: I want to take Aaron as to girl? Like? That's
Speaker 4: a tough decision.
Speaker 2: Were you guys surprised she went on the date with John.
Speaker 1: B or No, I was.
Speaker 4: I was a little surprised as viewers.
Speaker 5: I mean I was, I was surprised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing against John B.
Speaker 3: We were just surprised because she seemed really said on
Speaker 3: Aaron B.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think there's probably some reasons in her head,
Speaker 4: like why she went on that date with John B.
Speaker 4: And I think it was only meant to, Like, hey, like,
Speaker 4: if I go on this date and I'm still thinking
Speaker 4: about Aaron all the time, it means it means I'm
Speaker 4: meant to be with Aaron. And John Be is like
Speaker 4: an incredible dude too, so I'm sure they had a blast.
Speaker 4: But I was a little shocked in the moment. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, all right, here we go. This
Speaker 4: should be interesting coming back.
Speaker 3: But the love triangles are forming in Paradise this episode.
Speaker 4: I feel for I feel for Eliza too, because I
Speaker 4: know she didn't have like the best go of Paradise
Speaker 4: last time, so I definitely feel for her. And she's
Speaker 4: a she's a sweetheart like her. You guys have talked
Speaker 4: to he, right, her voice is, You're so sweet. She's
Speaker 4: like a Disney princess.
Speaker 2: So he is like a Disney princess.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, the problem, the problem with Paradise is, like
Speaker 1: I get it, like you you don't want to go
Speaker 1: after the same girl that your boys are going after,
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there's only so
Speaker 1: many people there.
Speaker 5: So like, in order for Paradise to work for you, you.
Speaker 1: Either have to have a connection right at the beginning
Speaker 1: and build on that, or you do have to be
Speaker 1: a little selfish like you you kind of like almost
Speaker 1: have to like be open with your friends, like, hey,
Speaker 1: like I might go after your girl at some point.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Kenny.
Speaker 3: Kenny data like four different girls on our season and
Speaker 3: it worked out for him and he wasn't a like,
Speaker 3: he wasn't a jerk about it. He was just like,
Speaker 3: I'm exploring, That's what I'm here to do. I'm exploring
Speaker 3: my options until I find figure out which girl is
Speaker 3: the girl.
Speaker 1: Like, we don't know, Sean, we don't We don't know
Speaker 1: what happens with you because we do see in the
Speaker 1: teaser that a girl comes down, So maybe you get saved.
Speaker 1: But at this point, when everything's going down, you basically
Speaker 1: have you know, you've gotten no sleep, you're mostly it
Speaker 1: looks like you're going home. Do you wish you would
Speaker 1: have done anything differently?
Speaker 4: You probably? Yeah, I definitely, like I definitely could have
Speaker 4: done stuff differently throughout the entire time, maybe like exploring
Speaker 4: things with just a little bit further, maybe like went
Speaker 4: all into Rachel.
Speaker 1: But you know, do you think there was any any
Speaker 1: other girls there that you could have sparked something with.
Speaker 4: I think we had a great cast, Like I honestly
Speaker 4: think that they were all amazing, and I didn't really
Speaker 4: give give them the fair chance to like really see
Speaker 4: things through with anyone besides Jess and Rachel, which probably
Speaker 4: was to my detriment because there's a lot of great
Speaker 4: girls there, and I'm friends with a lot of them
Speaker 4: afterwards too, So I don't know. I mean, Mercedes was cool.
Speaker 4: I think maybe someone coming down, like Dobby, I think
Speaker 4: Greer was awesome too when she was on Paradise, So
Speaker 4: maybe if I would explore things with other people sooner.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, like I was
Speaker 4: there to find somebody and I had to figure it
Speaker 4: out for myself and I ended up probably shooting myself
Speaker 4: in the foot a little bit. But I was never
Speaker 4: there just to like, you know whatever, like skate through
Speaker 4: it and you know, leave single, Like there was never
Speaker 4: my intention with that, Like I did want to find somebody.
Speaker 5: So I don't think I think watching you on the show,
Speaker 5: like you.
Speaker 1: Like we joke around like hot Sean, but like you,
Speaker 1: you do come across as somebody that is there to find.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you come across as like you're you're taking
Speaker 3: it seriously. Like I feel like you definitely seem like
Speaker 3: you're genuinely looking for a relationship. And I feel like
Speaker 3: everyone that goes down to Paradise and navigates it differently,
Speaker 3: and there's no like right or wrong way to navigate it,
Speaker 3: and it's not easy to navigate either. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, it's always interesting to see how people approach it,
Speaker 3: But I don't think you should ever leave like with regrets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had fun, like I have so much
Speaker 4: fun when I'm when I'm filling these things, and like,
Speaker 4: I think this got a chance to let views in
Speaker 4: a little bit more of my personality, which I don't
Speaker 4: think this Saily was shown on the back. I like,
Speaker 4: I like to mess around and have fun, Like I
Speaker 4: don't take myself too seriously. I can laugh at myself,
Speaker 4: but I also was there to find someone. It was overall,
Speaker 4: like you know, it was an awesome experience regardless.
Speaker 3: So if you are single right now, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I should ask this, but if you are single
Speaker 3: right now, would you go back on Paradise.
Speaker 4: If I was single right now, or if.
Speaker 3: You're single when filming comes back around, let's say, let's
Speaker 3: put it like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah if yeah, I think I would, and like truly
Speaker 4: like looking back at the two experiences I've had, Like
Speaker 4: I've met some of the most some of my best
Speaker 4: friends from the show, everyone that works on the show,
Speaker 4: even from like the production side, the audio people, the
Speaker 4: camera guys, Like I do have a blast and have
Speaker 4: so much fun filming and it's just so different than
Speaker 4: when I do my day to day. So if I
Speaker 4: was single when Paradise came around, I think I would
Speaker 4: say yes to it, and I think I might navigate
Speaker 4: it a little bit differently than maybe I did this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think you're doing a great job though,
Speaker 1: like like, because it is important when you go on
Speaker 1: these shows not to take yourself too seriously, and I
Speaker 1: think you do a great job at that.
Speaker 4: Maybe stop the singing, I guess would probably be my
Speaker 4: number number one thing.
Speaker 5: So when did you what did you say?
Speaker 2: When did you say?
Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh, I was I was singing a Taylor
Speaker 4: Swift song in an interview? Oh yeah, so like it
Speaker 4: was style. So I remember doing I remember doing that.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh man, this is gonna be so funny,
Speaker 4: and like, I hopefully it came off as funny. I
Speaker 4: was just messing around. But two, uh was it? Two
Speaker 4: seasons now and and arguably two hit singles.
Speaker 2: So a lot of shot, a lot of shot out.
Speaker 5: Of who you said you met up some of your
Speaker 5: best friends on this show.
Speaker 1: What guys would you consider your best friends from the season?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paradise, Aaron As is a Rider Eye friend, He's amazing,
Speaker 4: Aaron B. John B. Tanner, Like I had all my
Speaker 4: all my boys there, all the guys from Charity season
Speaker 4: for the most part, were like some of my best
Speaker 4: friends and then obviously like I'm really close with Joey,
Speaker 4: so I'm excited to see how the season turns out.
Speaker 4: But I had I had all my best friends that
Speaker 4: respond you're on a beach in Mexico, you're drinking with
Speaker 4: your boys, Like, can't really beat.
Speaker 1: It if you you aren't scared to shoot your shot.
Speaker 1: So is there if there's one girl in Bachelor Nation,
Speaker 1: here's your chance right now?
Speaker 5: Who would you try to talk to?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I am I single, maybe I'm still
Speaker 4: on after if you hypothetically speaking, Oh my gosh, there's
Speaker 4: so many great, great girls out there. Oh man. I remember,
Speaker 4: like in the moment when I was like sitting on
Speaker 4: paradise waiting for hopefully someone comes down, I was thinking about,
Speaker 4: like maybe Gabby would be really cool to meet, but
Speaker 4: I think she's in a relationship, so I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'd have to go back, not.
Speaker 2: That Shrette Gabby, Gabby from Zach season.
Speaker 4: Gabby from Zax season. That would be a little bit
Speaker 4: too much like Gabby from Rachel's season coming down. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I think Gabby is from Zax season. I
Speaker 4: thought that she was super cute. I thought she was
Speaker 4: really great on the show. But there's a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of great people out there in Bachlination. I
Speaker 4: think Brady Galvin's pretty cool too from what I've heard.
Speaker 5: So nice. Keep going with Sean.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming. Sean. You're always a
Speaker 2: great interview.
Speaker 3: We're happy to have you here and we are excited
Speaker 3: to see what happens with you next week on Paradise.
Speaker 3: Fingers crossed for you, Rose appears at a thin air
Speaker 3: or a girl or something something.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, I'll have me on. It was great
Speaker 4: to great to talk with you, of course.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sean, and thank you to all of our
Speaker 1: listeners for tuning in. And remember all new episodes of
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Speaker 5: Bye bye,