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Speaker 1: Hey, every well, welcome to Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena.

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Speaker 1: Yea, we are here with Sean from Bechelor and Paradise,

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Speaker 1: who we always refer to as Hot Sean.

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Speaker 2: We do. It's really stuck.

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Speaker 3: That nickname has really transitioned from your past to your

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Speaker 3: president Sean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it has. Well, Thank you all for having me,

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Speaker 4: appreciate it and looking forward to talking about this episode

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Speaker 4: with you.

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Speaker 2: Sean. Is this your third time on Happy Hour?

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Speaker 4: I think second, second time we did after the tell All,

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Speaker 4: which was fun. I don't think. Yeah, it's only my

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Speaker 4: second time.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he's never been on.

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Speaker 5: You've never been on as a solo guest.

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Speaker 4: No, you guys never had me on.

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Speaker 2: So oh, welcome, Happy to have you here.

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Speaker 5: Don't give us attitude already.

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Speaker 4: Shot right, I'm just messing with you all. I'm just

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Speaker 4: messing you just got here.

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Speaker 5: Why you can you explain real quick?

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Speaker 1: Just a very uh, just a little breakdown of why

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Speaker 1: you are Hot Sean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Hot Sean started when I was a turned at

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Speaker 4: Barstow Sports. So I was going to college in Fordham.

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Speaker 4: Ended up getting hooked up with some of the guys

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Speaker 4: there my first day when I show up to the office.

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Speaker 4: There's a group of guys that don't necessarily look like me.

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Speaker 4: I guess you could say. So Dave el friends was

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Speaker 4: recording the rundown and I was sitting there doing my work,

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Speaker 4: just going through like their social media accounts, and he

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Speaker 4: looks at me and he's like, who the fuck is

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Speaker 4: this kid? What is he doing here? And then he's like, say,

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Speaker 4: I say. He said I was too good looking to

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Speaker 4: be there, and then he wrote a blog about it,

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Speaker 4: and then it just stuck. And now thankfully, I guess

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Speaker 4: it stuck.

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Speaker 2: There are worse nicknames to have, for sure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't hate it at all. I mean it's a

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Speaker 4: pretty good one, ugly Sean, like your looking Sean. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's not bad.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so we uh we see you.

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Speaker 1: You know, let's you're you're in Paradise and he hesitations

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Speaker 1: and going to Paradise?

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Speaker 5: Were you all in right when they asked you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're Actually was some hesitation. So when I got

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Speaker 4: sent home from the bachelorette, I had a miscall from

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Speaker 4: the people that were casting for Paradise. It was like

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Speaker 4: so quick, I just got in the door and my

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Speaker 4: place here in Tampa and I had just taken off

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Speaker 4: a bunch of time for work, so I was like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, Like, I need some time to decompress

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Speaker 4: think about it. And I honestly was turned off against

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Speaker 4: it initially just because it was so quick and it

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Speaker 4: filming Paradise. And then the more I thought about it

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Speaker 4: and thought more about the time I had on a bachelorette,

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Speaker 4: the people I met, like, I really did have a

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Speaker 4: great experience, had so much fun. So I was like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, let's go back for a round two.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it. So after a deep thought, wasn't.

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Speaker 5: Too bad and you quit your job?

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Speaker 4: Correct, I would say, let go. So there's there's a

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Speaker 4: story that I wish made the Bachelorette where we're in

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Speaker 4: from anybody at all and I get pulled into a

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Speaker 4: phone call to my work. They're like, Hey, you don't

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Speaker 4: come back to work on Monday, You're fired. And it

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Speaker 4: But I kind of pulled like a Jordan Bell for

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Speaker 4: It moment where I was like, I'm not fucking leaving.

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Speaker 4: So then I ended up getting sent home like right

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Speaker 4: after that, and then went to work on Monday. So

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Speaker 4: then I went back. I was like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, well, I guess they're

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Speaker 4: not going to work out for us.

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Speaker 5: Then well, and what do you do?

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Speaker 4: I'm in sales I work for I used to sell

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Speaker 4: paper on HR software. Now I work for a tax

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Speaker 4: advisory firm in their sales team.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you got you got another job?

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Speaker 4: I did? I did get another job. Yeah, we're good'd that's.

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Speaker 5: Good the hair.

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Speaker 1: So going into Paradise, who who are you the most

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Speaker 1: interesting in?

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Speaker 5: Who are you looking forward to see it? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Going into Paradise, I was definitely looking forward to to

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Speaker 4: meeting Jess Yeah really yeah, no worries.

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Speaker 1: Did you think the swifty line was gonna was gonna work?

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Speaker 2: And are you really a swift? Ye?

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Speaker 4: I need to know who I pissed off in the

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Speaker 4: Chyroinde apartment because I actually am a swift. Ye, I

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Speaker 4: love Taylor Swift. I that was the first show I

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Speaker 4: went to when I get back in the Bachelotte, like

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Speaker 4: two days after filming, went to Taylor Swift show in Tampa.

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Speaker 4: So I'm a little pissed off when they were calling

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Speaker 4: me out for not being a Swifty. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 4: know if that was gonna work, but she had. I

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Speaker 4: think she had just gone to a tailor Swift show,

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Speaker 4: as did I. It was just something that we had

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Speaker 4: in common. I also met Kat before, not in person,

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Speaker 4: her afterwards, and she helped me out quite a bit

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Speaker 4: actually leaving the Bachelotte, because it is it's tough to

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Speaker 4: so she was really really helpful in that aspect. But

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Speaker 4: those really the only two people that even knew. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was excited to see Jess.

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Speaker 3: Long story short, so we see you. You know, kind

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Speaker 3: of hit on Jess a little bit, but you end

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Speaker 3: up having a connection with Rachel. Were you expecting to

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Speaker 3: see her down there? Was that a surprise to you?

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Speaker 4: Definitely a shock to see Rachel on the beach. Obviously

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Speaker 4: being a bachelorette, there's only been I think one before

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Speaker 4: that that's going down to Paradise, So definitely a shock.

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Speaker 4: So I think I had it in my mind where

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Speaker 4: excited to see her, and then Rachel was definitely a

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's not we're not going to talk yet

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Speaker 1: about this week's episode.

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Speaker 5: Okay, what is your up until this week?

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Speaker 1: What is your relationship with Rachel is it? Is there

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Speaker 5: Just more of a friendship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because all we've seen, like we saw you guys

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Speaker 3: make it out a little in the pool, definitely hanging out.

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Speaker 3: You're getting listed as you know, one of the couples

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Speaker 3: on the beach. But we do see after the Truth

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Speaker 3: Circle where you say you were kind of interested in

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Speaker 3: exploring with Jess, you and Rachel have a conversation where

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Speaker 3: she's kind of like, yeah, like go whatever, and you

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Speaker 3: same page. Like there's kind of an acknowledgement that maybe

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Speaker 3: things aren't that serious, but we'd love to hear from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we were on the same page. She

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Speaker 4: was great. Rachel was so cool. She's very chill, definitely

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Speaker 4: different than what I expected. But yeah, I think it

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Speaker 4: Rachel was really great. I enjoyed spending time with her,

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Speaker 4: but just in the back of my mind, there was

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Speaker 4: always that like I had a great conversation with Jess

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Speaker 4: I feel great about both of these people, but I'm

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Speaker 4: and no one was really stepping on toe. So there's

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Speaker 4: always that thing in the back of my mind where

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Speaker 4: it's like, I should have explored this a little bit further,

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Speaker 4: why didn't I kind of take that opportunity, I guess.

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Speaker 4: So it was tough for me because I was kind

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Speaker 4: not fair to her, but I just couldn't get it

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Speaker 5: Do you think if you would have been all in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think we're definitely taking it slow, remembering what it

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Speaker 4: attention to that relationship, it would have been great to

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Speaker 4: kind of see where it went. But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Who knows what stopped you from pursuing Jess more heavily

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Speaker 3: in the beginning.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because you did.

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Speaker 1: You just you just said something that we talked about

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Speaker 1: people don't want to step on.

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Speaker 5: Other people's toes, Like, no, everyone's playing it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if like, maybe we could be totally

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Speaker 3: no one wants to step on anyone's toes. Really, but

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Speaker 3: we could be totally off.

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Speaker 4: No, I think you guys are spot on. I think

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Speaker 4: from day one it was one of those things that

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Speaker 4: after the first night, there was no one really flip

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Speaker 4: flopping their connections or even trying to flip flop. So

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Speaker 4: that made it a little bit uncomfortable for me, where

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Speaker 4: I was like, I really do want to like talk

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Speaker 4: to Jess more, but no one is doing this. Do

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Speaker 4: I want to be the guy that steps on people's

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Speaker 4: a struggle for me when we were filming, was like, man, like,

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Speaker 4: no one's flip flopping. I wanted someone to just go

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the only person that kind of

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Speaker 3: flip flopped was Aaron B. But he did it like

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Speaker 3: it almost doesn't count, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know that Aaron BA and Mercedes had

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Speaker 4: that conversation the first night, so I didn't even know

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Speaker 4: that he flip flopped until I was watching it back.

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Speaker 4: But it was very early on.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so fast, So are okay?

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Speaker 1: So then we see you go, you go make another

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Speaker 1: move at Jess, But what is Blake in Jess's relationship?

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Speaker 5: Like before you do that, like where are they?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think That's why I went and had that conversation.

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Speaker 4: I think they were I don't know, it's felt like

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Speaker 4: they were on the same page, like they're still open

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Speaker 4: to exploring new things. I think Jess, I've mentioned that

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Speaker 4: at the bonfire Blake did. I think at that stage

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Speaker 4: was just going to check in I guess on where

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Speaker 2: You've opened that door. You did you're the first person

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Speaker 5: And he he didn't really hide it. He basically told

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Speaker 1: You guys just like we're not We're not cool? Are you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so thinking back to that night, I

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Speaker 5: Do you feel that Kat played Braiden.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Cat play Braiden, And like, I think

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Speaker 4: We're on Braiden with a Braiden conversation right now?

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Speaker 1: Like you're you're crumbling and you're getting pulled left and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I still never knew what Brayden said to Rachel.

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Speaker 4: Like no, man, like figure it out, stay like we

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Speaker 4: like don't don't quit yet? Little? Did I know that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I know that that was.

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Speaker 4: I fucked you. So after that, there's nothing I could do,

439
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,399
Speaker 4: Like what am I just gonna harp on it and

440
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,120
Speaker 4: like just get be more upset with him. I was like, oh, man,

441
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 4: like we're good now. He came up giving me a

442
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,840
Speaker 4: hug the next morning and I was like, ah, it

443
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 4: just sucks, like it it sucked, Yeah.

444
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 1: And then you're kind and at that point you're just

445
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,200
Speaker 1: like Rachel, me and you and Rachel are done at

446
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 1: this point, Like there's no saving that.

447
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't think there was any saving that

448
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,840
Speaker 4: in that in that moment, I think there was almost

449
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 4: right so before the truth Box, like we didn't have

450
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 4: time during the day, so I was gonna go talk

451
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 4: to her and try to smooth things over and just

452
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 4: see where things are at. Did I think me and

453
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 4: Rachel were gonna last outside of Paradise after that conversation.

454
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely not, but like, hey, like maybe someone was coming

455
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 4: down those steps to maybe throw me a lifeline, or

456
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,400
Speaker 4: maybe I found someone else who knows. I didn't want

457
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 4: to leave, like one thing was when you're in it,

458
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 4: like I really did want to stay, so I was

459
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 4: gonna spoit things over. And then obviously the truth box happened,

460
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 4: and I was like, all right, well, I'm definitely not

461
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,640
Speaker 4: kidding Rachel's rose, so figure it out here.

462
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's talk about the truth box a little bit.

463
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 3: So Aaron s smashes the box and you guys read

464
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 3: everything inside.

465
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,680
Speaker 2: Obviously what we see mostly is Braiden.

466
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 3: I guess put a bunch of Brayden and Rachel should

467
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 3: make out notes in there, which was kind of funny,

468
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 3: and then good move. But what else can you give us?

469
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 3: Anything else? Actually, I do want to ask you something

470
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 3: we did see. Someone wrote, what was it? Bro I

471
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 3: don't think that Kat has Jess's best interest or something

472
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 3: along the lines of, like, I don't think Kat is

473
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 3: helping Jess in the way she thinks she is something

474
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 3: like that, And I feel like we never really got

475
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 3: full context onto what that was about.

476
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: Can you give us a little insight?

477
00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say, I'm gonna call it the entire

478
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 4: cast here in the truth box. Like as soon as

479
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 4: I think I put on the bar, everyone was running

480
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 4: writing down notes and like I'm like, you guys just

481
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 4: can't say this, like just say it out like that's

482
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 4: how you feel. And I will say, I didn't write

483
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 4: anything about anyone other than that, well, should probably stop

484
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 4: stop pouring half shots at tequila. That's the only way

485
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 4: I put in there for that one. Oh my god, Jesus, Yeah,

486
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 4: so I was that was the only thing I wrote.

487
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 4: I'm also the type of person where like if I

488
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 4: had an opinion one way or the other, like I'll

489
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 4: tell you like I didn't have an opinion on anything

490
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: other than that. Like if I was gonna have a

491
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 4: problem with like cat playing Jess or anything like that,

492
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 4: I would have just told Kat, like, hey, you're probably

493
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 4: being a shitty friend. But I don't think she was,

494
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 4: Like I truly don't think she was being mean or

495
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 4: if not doing just any favors by it by any way.

496
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 4: And then all the relationships like Kylie and Nathan and

497
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 4: Blake and Jess and like cat playing, Braid and I

498
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 4: was like, you guys could just said that to people,

499
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 4: like you didn't have to write it down in a

500
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 4: note and then be anonymous with it, like just be

501
00:21:59,400 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 4: up front.

502
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: Well everyone's I mean, it does honestly, everyone's playing it safe.

503
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 5: That's that that has been the issue.

504
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: But now we're starting to see all that crumbled.

505
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got the truth circle, We've got the truth box.

506
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 3: You guys really need like a game to facilitate things

507
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 3: to go on.

508
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: I want you, I want you to answer this honestly. Okay,

509
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: if you were on if you were one of the

510
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: guys on Rachel's season, how how far you think you

511
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 1: would have went?

512
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, well, he had a.

513
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 5: Connection with her in Paradise and Bachelorette's a little different.

514
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 5: You've you've experienced it, you experienced with Charity. You think

515
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 5: you think you.

516
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: Would have went further with Rachel than with Charity than

517
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: he did with Charity.

518
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I don't think so. I think

519
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: I think Rachel, Tyler Norris was there even was there. Yeah, honestly,

520
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful that I was on Charity season, like truly,

521
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: like the whole it was like the best experience the

522
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 4: guys were amazing. She was awesome. It would be tough

523
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 4: for me to go back and put myself into like

524
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 4: Rachel and Gaby season like the two Batchelor. So I

525
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 4: was very grateful.

526
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: I know.

527
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: I think I was where I was supposed to be

528
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 4: with the Charity season. I only would have made it

529
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 4: any further, probably about the same spot. Maybe, who knows.

530
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 3: Okay, back to my question because I still want to

531
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: know because I want the tea. What what did they

532
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 3: mean by Kat isn't being a good friend to Jess?

533
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 4: So I guess that Tanner was high on Jess's list

534
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 4: going into Paradise, but Tanner was also high in Kat's list,

535
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 4: So you know when when Tanner asked Canada date, like,

536
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 4: what do people expect her not to go on that date?

537
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 4: If she wanted to meet Tanner? And I think that

538
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 4: they had talked about that previously. I'm sure they had to.

539
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 4: They're really close, So I don't know if people just

540
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 4: like to get into other people's friendships. I guess and

541
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 4: like say stuff, but I think Kat and Dress are great.

542
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: I think they're still friends.

543
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like that probably didn't I mean

544
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: and will work.

545
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: She was supposed to do anyways, because at the end

546
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: of the day, Tanner talked to both of them and

547
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: he chose yeah, say no, no, take Jesse even the

548
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: life still like you like it was just that's just

549
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: a complicated situation.

550
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 4: It would have been so stupid for Catnots except that

551
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 4: date and also Tanner's like you said, Tanners booked to

552
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 4: both of them and he chose.

553
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: Cat Yeah, he obviously had a better connection with her.

554
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, is there anything else from

555
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: the truth box that we didn't say?

556
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 4: I think they hit the nail on the head, But

557
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: I wrote the well sh stop pooring half shots to

558
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 4: kill it. I get credit for that, and that was

559
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 4: the only thing that I put in that truth box.

560
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: So it will set the record straight. We will set that.

561
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: So now we see we basically see you and Aaroness

562
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: sitting around kind of like we're fucked, and you you're

563
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: vocalizing that you don't want to go home and again

564
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: you're in this now. Is there any girl within Bachelor

565
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: Nation that you're hoping comes down that you think you

566
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: may have a chance with?

567
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say at that point, and just like

568
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 4: knowing girls from past seasons, I would say I was

569
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 4: probably hoping Dabya came down or literally, I think in

570
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: the moment, I was just like anybody, just like let's

571
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: figure it out, like just need something. I was so defeated.

572
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 4: I remember like that night and by the way, I

573
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 4: didn't sleep the night before, like at all, Like that

574
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: shit with Braydon happened at like three in the morning,

575
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 4: and you got to do interviews afterwards, and I went

576
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 4: to bed and I was like, I can't sleep, my

577
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 4: mind is racing. So I went out and I just

578
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 4: chilled on the beach and watched the sunrise. I didn't

579
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 4: know we had security on the beach at night, so

580
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 4: I come out of the plapas, I'm like walking downstairs

581
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 4: and then I just get hit in the face with

582
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 4: flashlights and he speaking Spanish to me, and I'm like,

583
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: oh my god, am I about to get teased or something.

584
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 4: I was like, no, no, no, I'm on the cast. I'm

585
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 4: on the cast. He was like okay, and then we

586
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: just sat there. I didn't know what to say to

587
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: him because I couldn't speak Spanish. So We're sitting there

588
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 4: on the day bed and I'm just like looking at him.

589
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 4: He's looking over we didn't talk. We just sat there

590
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: for like thirty minutes, and I was like, all right,

591
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 4: here we go.

592
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: It's actually so funny. I didn't know we had security

593
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: and at either Yeah.

594
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: I had run into security.

595
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: Really Oh my gosh, Yeah, we're.

596
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 5: Protect it down there.

597
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, So I mean it kind of looks like

598
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: that's it.

599
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 5: Are are you?

600
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: And Aaron asked basically just like yeah, we're making peace

601
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: with it. We're going home, and what is Oh, what's

602
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: the deal with John B and Aaron B. Is it

603
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: kind of obvious that Eliza's gonna like who's Eliza gonna choose?

604
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're coming with because we don't. Yeah, okay,

605
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: so I think coming back from the date, I think

606
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 4: she was gonna gonna choose Aaron B. I think that

607
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 4: her and John had a great date and John John

608
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: Be is one of my boys. Like it was great

609
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 4: seeing like all those guys because I was the first

610
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 4: time that I hadn't seen any of them since filming

611
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 4: The Bachelorette, So me Aaron asked obviously to close Aaron B.

612
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: But that was tough, right, Like John B and Aaron

613
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: B are friends, So coming down with a date card

614
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: and a lot of your guys from that season are

615
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 4: already on the beach. It's tough to go and make

616
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 4: a decision where you're like, man, like, do I really

617
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: want to take Aaron's girl on a date? Like? Do

618
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 4: I want to take Sean's girl on a day? Do

619
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: I want to take Aaron as to girl? Like? That's

620
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: a tough decision.

621
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: Were you guys surprised she went on the date with John.

622
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: B or No, I was.

623
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 4: I was a little surprised as viewers.

624
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 5: I mean I was, I was surprised.

625
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing against John B.

626
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 3: We were just surprised because she seemed really said on

627
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 3: Aaron B.

628
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think there's probably some reasons in her head,

629
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 4: like why she went on that date with John B.

630
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: And I think it was only meant to, Like, hey, like,

631
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: if I go on this date and I'm still thinking

632
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 4: about Aaron all the time, it means it means I'm

633
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: meant to be with Aaron. And John Be is like

634
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: an incredible dude too, so I'm sure they had a blast.

635
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 4: But I was a little shocked in the moment. I

636
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, all right, here we go. This

637
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: should be interesting coming back.

638
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: But the love triangles are forming in Paradise this episode.

639
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: I feel for I feel for Eliza too, because I

640
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 4: know she didn't have like the best go of Paradise

641
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: last time, so I definitely feel for her. And she's

642
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 4: a she's a sweetheart like her. You guys have talked

643
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 4: to he, right, her voice is, You're so sweet. She's

644
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 4: like a Disney princess.

645
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: So he is like a Disney princess.

646
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, the problem, the problem with Paradise is, like

647
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: I get it, like you you don't want to go

648
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: after the same girl that your boys are going after,

649
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there's only so

650
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: many people there.

651
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: So like, in order for Paradise to work for you, you.

652
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: Either have to have a connection right at the beginning

653
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: and build on that, or you do have to be

654
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: a little selfish like you you kind of like almost

655
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: have to like be open with your friends, like, hey,

656
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: like I might go after your girl at some point.

657
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Kenny.

658
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: Kenny data like four different girls on our season and

659
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: it worked out for him and he wasn't a like,

660
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 3: he wasn't a jerk about it. He was just like,

661
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: I'm exploring, That's what I'm here to do. I'm exploring

662
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: my options until I find figure out which girl is

663
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: the girl.

664
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: Like, we don't know, Sean, we don't We don't know

665
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: what happens with you because we do see in the

666
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: teaser that a girl comes down, So maybe you get saved.

667
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: But at this point, when everything's going down, you basically

668
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: have you know, you've gotten no sleep, you're mostly it

669
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: looks like you're going home. Do you wish you would

670
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: have done anything differently?

671
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 4: You probably? Yeah, I definitely, like I definitely could have

672
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 4: done stuff differently throughout the entire time, maybe like exploring

673
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 4: things with just a little bit further, maybe like went

674
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: all into Rachel.

675
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: But you know, do you think there was any any

676
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: other girls there that you could have sparked something with.

677
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: I think we had a great cast, Like I honestly

678
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: think that they were all amazing, and I didn't really

679
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: give give them the fair chance to like really see

680
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: things through with anyone besides Jess and Rachel, which probably

681
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: was to my detriment because there's a lot of great

682
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: girls there, and I'm friends with a lot of them

683
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 4: afterwards too, So I don't know. I mean, Mercedes was cool.

684
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: I think maybe someone coming down, like Dobby, I think

685
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 4: Greer was awesome too when she was on Paradise, So

686
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: maybe if I would explore things with other people sooner.

687
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, like I was

688
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: there to find somebody and I had to figure it

689
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: out for myself and I ended up probably shooting myself

690
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 4: in the foot a little bit. But I was never

691
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 4: there just to like, you know whatever, like skate through

692
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: it and you know, leave single, Like there was never

693
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: my intention with that, Like I did want to find somebody.

694
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 5: So I don't think I think watching you on the show,

695
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 5: like you.

696
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: Like we joke around like hot Sean, but like you,

697
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: you do come across as somebody that is there to find.

698
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you come across as like you're you're taking

699
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: it seriously. Like I feel like you definitely seem like

700
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: you're genuinely looking for a relationship. And I feel like

701
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: everyone that goes down to Paradise and navigates it differently,

702
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: and there's no like right or wrong way to navigate it,

703
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: and it's not easy to navigate either. And I think,

704
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: you know, it's always interesting to see how people approach it,

705
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: But I don't think you should ever leave like with regrets.

706
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had fun, like I have so much

707
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: fun when I'm when I'm filling these things, and like,

708
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: I think this got a chance to let views in

709
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 4: a little bit more of my personality, which I don't

710
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 4: think this Saily was shown on the back. I like,

711
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: I like to mess around and have fun, Like I

712
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: don't take myself too seriously. I can laugh at myself,

713
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: but I also was there to find someone. It was overall,

714
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: like you know, it was an awesome experience regardless.

715
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: So if you are single right now, I don't know

716
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: if I should ask this, but if you are single

717
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: right now, would you go back on Paradise.

718
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: If I was single right now, or if.

719
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: You're single when filming comes back around, let's say, let's

720
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: put it like that.

721
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 4: Yeah if yeah, I think I would, and like truly

722
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: like looking back at the two experiences I've had, Like

723
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 4: I've met some of the most some of my best

724
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: friends from the show, everyone that works on the show,

725
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: even from like the production side, the audio people, the

726
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: camera guys, Like I do have a blast and have

727
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 4: so much fun filming and it's just so different than

728
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: when I do my day to day. So if I

729
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: was single when Paradise came around, I think I would

730
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: say yes to it, and I think I might navigate

731
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: it a little bit differently than maybe I did this time.

732
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think you're doing a great job though,

733
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: like like, because it is important when you go on

734
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: these shows not to take yourself too seriously, and I

735
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: think you do a great job at that.

736
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 4: Maybe stop the singing, I guess would probably be my

737
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: number number one thing.

738
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 5: So when did you what did you say?

739
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 2: When did you say?

740
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh, I was I was singing a Taylor

741
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: Swift song in an interview? Oh yeah, so like it

742
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 4: was style. So I remember doing I remember doing that.

743
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: I was like, oh man, this is gonna be so funny,

744
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: and like, I hopefully it came off as funny. I

745
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: was just messing around. But two, uh was it? Two

746
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 4: seasons now and and arguably two hit singles.

747
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: So a lot of shot, a lot of shot out.

748
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 5: Of who you said you met up some of your

749
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 5: best friends on this show.

750
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: What guys would you consider your best friends from the season?

751
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paradise, Aaron As is a Rider Eye friend, He's amazing,

752
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: Aaron B. John B. Tanner, Like I had all my

753
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: all my boys there, all the guys from Charity season

754
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 4: for the most part, were like some of my best

755
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 4: friends and then obviously like I'm really close with Joey,

756
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: so I'm excited to see how the season turns out.

757
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: But I had I had all my best friends that

758
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: respond you're on a beach in Mexico, you're drinking with

759
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 4: your boys, Like, can't really beat.

760
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: It if you you aren't scared to shoot your shot.

761
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: So is there if there's one girl in Bachelor Nation,

762
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: here's your chance right now?

763
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 5: Who would you try to talk to?

764
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I am I single, maybe I'm still

765
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: on after if you hypothetically speaking, Oh my gosh, there's

766
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: so many great, great girls out there. Oh man. I remember,

767
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 4: like in the moment when I was like sitting on

768
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: paradise waiting for hopefully someone comes down, I was thinking about,

769
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: like maybe Gabby would be really cool to meet, but

770
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 4: I think she's in a relationship, so I don't know.

771
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 4: I'd have to go back, not.

772
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: That Shrette Gabby, Gabby from Zach season.

773
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: Gabby from Zax season. That would be a little bit

774
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: too much like Gabby from Rachel's season coming down. But yeah,

775
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 4: I think I think Gabby is from Zax season. I

776
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: thought that she was super cute. I thought she was

777
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: really great on the show. But there's a lot of

778
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: a lot of great people out there in Bachlination. I

779
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 4: think Brady Galvin's pretty cool too from what I've heard.

780
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 5: So nice. Keep going with Sean.

781
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming. Sean. You're always a

782
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: great interview.

783
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: We're happy to have you here and we are excited

784
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: to see what happens with you next week on Paradise.

785
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: Fingers crossed for you, Rose appears at a thin air

786
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: or a girl or something something.

787
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, I'll have me on. It was great

788
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 4: to great to talk with you, of course.

789
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sean, and thank you to all of our

790
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: listeners for tuning in. And remember all new episodes of

791
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: Bachelor and Paradise here every Thursday on ABC at nine

792
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: eighth Central following the Golden Bachelor, or you could stream

793
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: both shows the next day.

794
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 3: On Hulu and make sure to tune into new episodes

795
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: of Bachelor Happy Hour every week. We're gonna have some

796
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: great guests on and we've got all kinds of exclusive

797
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: interviews coming up, so do not forget to subscribe.

798
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 5: Bye bye,