1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: From the Berkshars to the sound from wherever you live 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: in MLB America, This is inside the park. Are you 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: give us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: scoop on Major League Baseball? Now, here's Baseball Hall of 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Fame voter number seventy six, Rob Parker. Welcome into the podcast. 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rob Parker, and what a great show 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: we have for you today. Coming up, we're gonna talk 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: with Jerry Hairston Jr. The former Major League in fielder 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: and outfielder, also Sterence Moore and author, longtime baseball writer 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: who has a new book coming out called The Real 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: hank Ara. We'll dig deep into that and much more. 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Let's go up to lead off. It's getting robbed to 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: keep him on. Rob's hot take on the three biggest 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: stories in Major League Baseball. Number one old. Look now, 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: but the Los Angeles Angels not going as this microphone on? 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: Is this working? They're real? I know it's only May, 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: but my goodness. Going into wednesday Nights game against the 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Rays, the Angels led the a L West 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: with the and eleven record. They had won seven of 20 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: their last ten. They had the second best record in 21 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: the American League, only behind the Yankees. Yes, they've been 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: getting hitting and pitching and read Debtor's no hitter is 23 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: a perfect example. That's how teams turn it around. The 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: Angels have been looking for pitching and now they have 25 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: a twenty two year old kid who does that. Those 26 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: are no no. They got synder Guard from the Mets. 27 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: They're oh Tani's pitching well, and of course they're hitting. 28 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: Otani hit his first Grand Slam. They're well rounded, they 29 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: have hitters, they got a little pitching going. I know 30 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: it's way early, but man, this would be great. Baseball 31 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: needs the Angels to be in the postseason and to 32 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: be relevant with the stars they have, and don't look now. 33 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: The Angels are worth paying attention. In two number two 34 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: interesting story on MLB dot com talking about the biggest 35 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: disappointment so far in the major leagues. Off the top 36 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: of your head, you might say the White Sox they 37 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: got off to a bumpy start, or the Reds are 38 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: terrible after they dumped all that players. The same thing 39 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: with the Oakland A's. But what was surprising was that 40 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: executives pulled around the league did not pick any of 41 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: those teams. They picked the Boston Red Sox, and the 42 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: executives are right. There's no way the Red Sox should 43 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: be as bad as they've been, and man have they 44 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: been bad. Last year, the Red Sox won ninety two 45 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: games and they also signed Trevor's Story as a free agent, 46 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: so people expected the Red Sox to be good, but 47 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: instead they've been scuttling. The Red Sox they opened up 48 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: with a ten and nineteen record heading into Wednesday night, 49 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: but that leaves Boston in last place in the Al East. 50 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: Imagine that from having made the postseason a year ago 51 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: to being in last place is startling, no doubt about it. 52 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: And UH executives around the league of look at the 53 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: Red Sox and deem them as this appointing. They don't 54 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: look at it. They think the White Sox will bounce back. 55 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: They don't look at the Reds or the A's and 56 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: think that they should be better because they shouldn't be. 57 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: They've been stripped down all their good players. So that's 58 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: why general managers around the league look at the Red 59 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: Sox and say they stink, and they expect their offense 60 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: to continue, UH to struggle, and that it's going to 61 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: be a long season in bean Town number three. If 62 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: you follow history in baseball, and if you're a Yankee fan, 63 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: you gotta feel great. I mean you gotta be a 64 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: static You know why because when you look at the 65 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: best thirty games starts in the season in New York 66 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: Yankees history, and you look at one, two, three, four, 67 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: or five, six, seven, eight nine, it's happened nine times 68 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: the best thirty games starts, and guess what, all nine 69 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: time they went to the World Series. So if you're 70 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: looking at the Yankees are now twenty two and eight 71 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: after beating the Toronto Blue Jays on Wednesday afternoon and 72 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: Tuesday night was typical Yankees down three to nothing, gian 73 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: Carlos stan with a three run bomb to tie the 74 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: game at three. Yankees were down five to three in 75 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: the bottom of the night and Aaron Judge stepped up 76 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: and he had a three run bomb to win the 77 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: game on walk off fashion. And that's what the Yankees 78 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: have been. We've been waiting for those two guys to 79 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: stay healthy and play well. Their masters. They have some 80 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: good pitching. Um Garrett Cole's leading the rotation. They're getting 81 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: a contributions from the bullpen. Uh Glabor is playing well. 82 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: Just all around. The Yankees are machine and have the 83 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: best record in the American League. And of all those 84 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: nine it starts in previous eight starts best thirty game starts. 85 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: The Yankees went to the World Series every year. The 86 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: only year they lost was two thousand and three when 87 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: they went twenty three and seven through the first thirty 88 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: And here we are two and the Yankees are off 89 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 1: to a twenty two and eight start. This has been 90 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: better than advertised. Here comes the big interviews. Listen Headler. 91 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: Now let's welcome in. Jerry Harriston Jr. Of course, played 92 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: sixteen years in the major leagues Orioles, Cubs, Rangers, Rants 93 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: won the World Series with the Yankees, Padres, Nationals, Brewers, Dodgers. 94 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm running out of I'm running out of space, Jerry. 95 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: But you played everywhere sixteen years and now, of course 96 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: a broadcaster for the Dodgers on Sports Net l A. 97 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: How are you doing, Jerry, I'm doing. How you doing? 98 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: Doing great? And I do want to talk about those 99 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: Dodgers off to a nice twenty and nine start. But 100 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: Wednesday they lose Game three of a three game series, 101 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: and they lose two out of three to the lowly 102 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates. What happened in Pittsburgh They just kind of played. 103 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't have an explosion on offense. And 104 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: Game two they scored eleven runs on fifteen hits. But 105 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: the first game and the third game they really didn't 106 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: swing the bats the way they're capable of. And you 107 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: gotta keep your hat to the Pittsburgh Pirates. This is 108 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: kind of you know, when you're playing teams like the Pirates, 109 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: who are up and coming, they're young, energetic. This is 110 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: kind of like their playoffs, so they're trying to make 111 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: a name for themselves, and they played, uh, with high intensity. 112 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: They caught the ball, they played great defensively, and they 113 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: deserve the winning series. The Doctors didn't play their best 114 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: baseball and because of that, they dropped two out of three. 115 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: How about the Dodgers hitting. I mean, we know they 116 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: have a great line up, but the Dodgers, when you 117 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: look at it, our only batting. Uh. The last time 118 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: my look was two thirty eight as a team, which 119 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: is ninth in the National League, ninth in the major leagues. 120 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: Why are they struggling with the bats? And is that 121 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: the concern? Uh, it is a concern now it's still 122 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: early down. You gotta remember that we're in the first 123 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: second week of May. You had a short spring training. Obviously, 124 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: you never want to be around two thirty as a 125 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: as a team hitting, you want to be somewhere about 126 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: two fifty two fifty five as a team because especially 127 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: when you have great hitters like the Dodgers, you expect 128 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: them to be uh pump in the upper echelom of hitting. 129 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, for whatever reason they're off to they're off 130 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: to a slow start. Maximuns he's off to a slow start. 131 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: I know he had an elbow issue, so you kind 132 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: of figured he would get off to a little bit 133 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: slow start. But hopefully he has a monster's second half. 134 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: Justin Turner, I started to swing the bat a lot 135 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: better now. He historically he gets off the slow start. 136 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: So you know, you have guys like Trey Turner, rookie bats, 137 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: Freddy Freeman, so much talent in that lineup. You know 138 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna get hot collectively, sooner raving raven and later 139 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: they're just too good of a team. What about Cody 140 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: Bellinger and in Pittsburgh, Uh, he had one hit in 141 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: thirteen at bats and batting average to fourteen and looked 142 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: like he had you know, gotten out of it uh 143 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: in the postseason, and now it looks like he's back 144 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: to Scotland. What what's the deal with Cody Bellinger? You know, 145 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: I think sometimes Cody gets into ruts where he probably 146 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: just tries too hard, tries to hit the ball, uh, 147 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: drive the ball out of the ballpark a little bit 148 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: too much. You know. Dave Roberts, the manager, always talks 149 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: about having different clubs in your back. You have your driver, 150 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: you have your seven iron, you're pitching wedge, lob wedge, 151 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: use your different types of swings to make sure you 152 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: make contact. When Cody Bellinger one the m v P, 153 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: he had a shortment of swings, you know, with two strips, 154 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: he was worried about contact. Now when he gets the 155 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: two strips and it seems to me like he's still 156 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: trying to drive the baseball instead of hitting something hard 157 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: the other way. And hopefully he gets back to that approach. 158 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: Because of Cooney Bellinger hitting two seven and two eighty 159 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: with twenty five to thirty home runs, there's a whole 160 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: lot better than the Cody Bellinger hitting low two hundreds 161 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: and and trying to hit fifty home runs. So you know, 162 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: he's so great defensively. Uh, if he realizes, you know 163 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: what all I have to do is put a beef 164 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: swing on, meaning just worry about contact. He's gonna hit 165 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: his fair share of home runs. I gotta admit I 166 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: was wrong, and I'm gonna admit it. I said the 167 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: Dodgers should have moved on from Clayton Kershaw after last year, 168 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: and uh, he's back with the Dodgers, signed a one 169 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: year contract. I thought he was gonna go to the 170 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: Rangers back and you know he's from suburban Dallas. But 171 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: I thought, and here he is four and oh with 172 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: a one point at eight zero e er A. What 173 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: is going on with Clayton Kershaw and man as he pitched? Well, 174 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, Clayton has so much pride. Uh, he's a 175 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: guy that will never take them out unprepared. Now, he 176 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: has dealt with certain injuries in the past and he's 177 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: trying to pitch through it. But for him to be 178 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: totally shut down this offseason, not thinking up a baseball 179 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: in January, I think it did wonders for his shoulder. 180 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: And aren't he looks fresh? His body's in tremendous shape. 181 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: And when he's healthy and he's fresh. His arm feels good. 182 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: You know, he has the makeup and the stuff to 183 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: get guys out, So now that he's healthy, is no 184 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: surprise that he's able to get guys out. And he's 185 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: also a great starting. It's good for Clayt Kershaw and 186 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: it's definitely good for the doctor. Speaking of Clayton Kershaw, 187 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: recently he set the record for strikeouts for Dodger pictures, 188 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: passing Don Sutton the Hall of Famer. And then the 189 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: debate started, who has the Who's the greatest Dodger pitch 190 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: of all time? Is it Clayton Kershaw or Sandy Kofax? 191 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: I have Sandy Kofax, Who do you have? Well, Sandy 192 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: Curlfax is incredible. I have tremendous respect for him. He's 193 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: done incredible things. There's been so many great pictures. Donnucombe, 194 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: it's one of them. I just mentioned John Sutton, Don Drysdale, 195 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: Sandy ko Fax. I think you know, and I will 196 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: speak for Clayton if if I can. I know him 197 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: a little bit. He now always talks about he doesn't 198 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: want to look at, you know, his career until after 199 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: he's done pitching. So I will do that for him. 200 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna rank you know where Clayton is as 201 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: far as the all time greatest UH Dodger picture until 202 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: his career is over, hopefully as a number three or 203 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: four years, and I'm hoping he has two or three 204 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: more championships to go with that. Now, if he does 205 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: do that, I think when it's all said and done, 206 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw will be the greatest Dodger picture in the 207 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: history of the franchise. Here's the other thing with the Dodgers. 208 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: You know, they have four former and EPs UH on 209 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: their roster, just a loaded team. Everybody expects the Dodgers 210 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: to be there and have a chance at a World Series. 211 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: But don't look. Now. The NL West is no cake walk. 212 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: And how surprised the Padres coming into Wednesday night twenty 213 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: wins without Fernando Tattoos playing a single game. Yet all 214 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: the teams in the division are over five hundred. Even 215 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: the Rockies have a winning record, Diamondbacks, Giants, Uh. The 216 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: NL West is the best division in baseball. And this 217 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: is not gonna be a tough ride, isn't it. It 218 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: is gonna be a tough Friday, you know. Credit to 219 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: the team's in their division, the Rockies makes some moves. 220 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: They got a guy in Chris Bryant who's one of the 221 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: the World Series knows how to win. Anytime you get 222 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: a guy like that with a young group of talented 223 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: guys like the Rockies have, that's gonna elevate. Uh. Their 224 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: team Glencias is a magician at shortstop that has shirt 225 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: up their defense in the middle. So they have some 226 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: talent and manager by the black adoser he's doing. He's 227 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: one of the best managers in all of it. So 228 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: you give him any talent, their team will will succeed. 229 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: And then on the other one, their starting rotation has 230 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: been incredible. They have thrown I think one of the 231 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: best arms out there, uh in Madison bumb Garner. Yes, 232 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying Madison Bumgarner is off to an incredible start 233 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: to the season and they can chinue to do incredible 234 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: things with their rotation. Anytime you get pitching, you have 235 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: a chance to win ball games. So this division, along 236 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: with the Giants UH led by far anxiety and gave 237 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: capitaler they don't how to win as well. So every 238 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: team is giving themselves a chance to win ball games 239 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: every single night, and without question, the best division in 240 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: all of baseball. All right, there he is Jerry Harriston Jr. 241 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: Of course, the uh former Major League infielder and outfield 242 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: and of course the sports commentator for the Dodgers on 243 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: Sportsnet l A. Jerry, Always a pleasure, Thanks buddy. Fox 244 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 245 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 246 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app search f 247 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: s R to listen live. It's time for the pocket 248 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: Protector Central the analytic numbers you need to know? Well, 249 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: maybe Anthony Masterson is his name, BS analytics is his game. 250 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: What do you got for me, Anthony? Shifts are part 251 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: of the fabric of the game of baseball. For now, 252 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: every team does it, the data supports it, and for 253 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: every ball that dribbles through an open side of the infield, 254 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: nine lasers are gobbled up by defenders in unorthodox spots. 255 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: But what we've seen this year, especially north of the border, 256 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: has been unusual even for hardcore statisticians. We've seen overloaded 257 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: infields all the time over the last few years, but 258 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: we've rarely seen the barely softball inspired four outfielder shift 259 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: until this year. And notes team has employed it more 260 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: than the Toronto Blue Jays now. Per analytics guru David Adler. 261 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: Through Sunday's games, the Jays have used seventy six plate 262 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: appearances with a four man outfield, twenty six more than 263 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the league combined. Tampa is second on 264 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: that list at twenty three plate appearances, while the Yankees Orioles, 265 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: Tigers and Rangers are the only other teams to even 266 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: try it thus far. Think about it. If you have 267 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: empirical evidence that a power hitter, let's say Joey Gallo, 268 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: who pulls the ball over seventy of the time when 269 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: he hits it on the ground and sprays his fly 270 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: balls all around the park, why wouldn't you give your 271 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: outfield a little extra boost? And with a guy like 272 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Platinum Glover Matt Chapman covering the entire left side of 273 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: the infield, the Blue Jays they can afford to leave 274 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: him on an island. Is it working well? So far? 275 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: The Jays are second in the a L with fourteen 276 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: defensive run saved per fan Graphs and second in the 277 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: AL in stack casts outs above average metric. However, small 278 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: sample sized caveats do apply. Now with shifts and either 279 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: or not they should be banned, always a hot topic 280 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: of conversation, the Blue Jays this year are doing something 281 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: rarely seen in baseball. It was a big week in 282 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: the big league? Who's Who's Is it foul? Or is 283 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: it fair? And Now from MLB bro dot com, here's 284 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: JR gamball. For the first time since gen Carlos Stan 285 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: was traded to the Yankees following his fifty nine home 286 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: run m VP season in Miami, both he and Aaron 287 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: Judge are healthy and showing what everybody knew they could 288 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: do in the same lineup. JR. Is it foul or 289 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: is it fair to say that Judge and Stanton are 290 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: the most lethal hitting duo in Major League Baseball? Fair? 291 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: That's the Yankees are sixteen and one when Stan and 292 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: then Judge homer in the same game. The numbers speak 293 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: for themselves. These guys are propane. It took a little 294 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: while for the injuries to subside and the big boppers 295 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: to coincide and the Bronx Bombers line up at the 296 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: same time. We dreamed about it, screamed about it, and 297 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: now it's in prime time. Remember when they hated Stanton 298 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: that was just one season to go. He was getting 299 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: his numbers, but the team didn't win. So many thoughts 300 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: Stanton had to go. These New York radio stations, bro 301 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: caller after caller said the Stanton trade was the worst 302 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: Yankees ever ever. He's no baller, and Judge should be 303 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: happy with two thirty mail. He's injury prone. It doesn't 304 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: like to get dirty. But if we put our emotions aside, 305 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: past teams weren't constructed for a championship ride. It wasn't 306 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Boom. The picture was sus the case random muck 307 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: instead of baseball. The front office depended on dumb luck. 308 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: But now there are locomotive rolling and the mL BE 309 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: Murderers roll, Judge Leeds mlbing. Homer's Stanton's fourth. You know 310 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: the pitching is popping. There's more than just cold some 311 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: small back, some small ball, some over the wall balls. 312 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: Let's rock and roll. The Hayters can say what they want. 313 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: Oh fudge, The Yankees are back in first place. It's 314 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 1: the rebirth of the Pinstripes, led by Stanton and Judge, 315 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: the Soul Patrol. When Rob was a newspaper columnist, he 316 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: lived by this motto, if I'm writing, I'm ripping. Let's 317 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: bring in a writer, a broadcaster, older, new Now, let's 318 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. Terrence Moore, a friend of mine, 319 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: the national sports columnist for Forbes dot Com, a visiting 320 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: professor at the Miami of Ohio. Yes that university, not 321 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: the one in Florida. Also a longtime sports columnists for 322 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Journal and Constitution. Uh, let's welcome in Terence 323 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: More Terence, how you doing, buddy? Oh, doing quite well? 324 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: Thank you great? Great to have you on, and well, 325 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: have you on to talk about your new book that's 326 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: coming out on May seventeen, called The Real Hank Aron? 327 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: Was was Hank Garon fake? Or what are you gonna 328 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: tell us that we don't know about Hank Aaron? Well, 329 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: this is fresh stuff. And to start with, uh, I 330 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: knew Frank Hank Aaron better than any reporter ever. You know, 331 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: we talked for forty years, developed a friendship, and I 332 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: went from being a twelve year old baseball fan of 333 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: Hank Aaron to being a honorary pall bearer at his funeral, 334 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: which kind of tells you the relationship. And uh, this 335 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: book is going to shock a lot of people because 336 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: besides the racism that he experienced that everybody knows about 337 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: in the seventies changing Babe Ruth record. Uh, it was 338 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: pretty much as equals the type of racism he faced 339 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: inside and outside the Atlanta Braves at an executive for 340 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: the Braves after his his playing days over in ninety six. 341 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: And and he is a guy that doesn't get as 342 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: much credit as he should from being a civil rights leader, 343 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: not only from the sports sense, but from every every 344 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: every other center. You can possibly imagine probably when you 345 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: when you talk about the book, um and and it 346 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: sounds like fascinating. Was was Hank reluctant to talk about 347 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: some of this stuff or it was he felt comfortable 348 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: enough to really open up and thought it was important 349 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: to get this stuff in print. See, and this is 350 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: one of the most about Hank. Karen and I planned 351 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: this out in the book. Hank and I always was 352 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: it was looked at and sicularly and down the stretch 353 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: of his life as being sort of a docile guy 354 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: that smelled a lot, didn't say much sowing and so forth. Well, No, 355 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: he was. He was a very outspoken guy. I know 356 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: because I was the Hank Aaron whisperer. That's why I 357 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: called myself whenever you wanted to get something out there 358 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: in public, but his what you thought about baseball and 359 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: then how it treated African Americans, which is not very 360 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: pleasant by the way. Uh. He was very bold and 361 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: I was spoken about that. And I know because whenever 362 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: I would write something that Hank Aaron said that that 363 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: boldness the down through the nineties and would have you, 364 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: he would get blasted. People hated Hank Aaron, and it 365 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: has only been in the latter part of his life. 366 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: Then he kind of turned into this sort of like 367 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: this beloved figure. And I called the Muhammad Ali thing. 368 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember. And back in the sixties 369 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, people hated Muhammad Ali. I'm 370 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: talking about white people and black people. It wasn't until 371 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali became docile and harmless in the minds of many, 372 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 1: it became beloved that Muhammad Onli in between was hated. Hey, 373 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: Carol was worried about the same thing. And it's and 374 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: I bring this out in the book quite a bit, 375 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: the other thing about Hank Aaron and and his career. 376 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: You know, the other day, it was Willie Mays ninety 377 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: one birthday, and I put it out a tweet and 378 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: it and I said, one of the greatest who ever 379 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: played the game. And people were pushing back on me, 380 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: saying one of and and I said, yeah, I said, 381 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to to bypass or overlook Hank 382 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: Aaron when I look at his stats and his numbers 383 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: as a player. Uh, if you took away his seven 384 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five home runs, he would still have 385 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: three thousand hits. He played twenty four seasons, average just 386 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: under a hundred RBIs for twenty four seasons in the 387 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: major leagues, and so on and so on. When people 388 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: really look at his numbers, why do you think people 389 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: don't really recognize or understand like the numbers and he 390 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: was a three or five lifetime batting average guy. I 391 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: mean he had a tremendous career. Or he played in Milwaukee, 392 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I mean it was as simple as that. 393 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: And plus he wasn't a flashy guy like those other ones. 394 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: I want to tell you something, Rob and I pointed 395 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: this out very clearly in my book and said over 396 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: and over again, Hank Aaron was clearly, no doubt about it, 397 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: the greatest baseball player of all time. You talk about 398 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: William Mays. The argument always comes out to those two 399 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: throughout Babe Ruth. Anything part of our April fifteen seven 400 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: doesn't count because they weren't playing the best competition because 401 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: of the segregation. And that took place in baseball because 402 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: they weren't allowing blacks in the game. That that was. 403 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: That was when Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier on 404 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: the April fifteen to throw out Babe Ruth and all 405 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: those people throughout William Mays. You look at the stats 406 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: Hank Aaron and every single category was better than than 407 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: William Mays lifetime batting average, home runs, um run score 408 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: right down down the Lions and there was an first 409 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: in stat People will say, well, William Mason was faster 410 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: than Hank Aaron. You know, they stole bases at exactly 411 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: the same rate, was something like seventy. So yeah, he was, 412 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: and he was very much. It was a great fielder. 413 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: I mean he had three gold gloves in right field 414 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: and uh WILLI made his one I believe twelve gold gloves. 415 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: But he was playing center field. That's a grammar position, 416 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: and and Hank is playing right field. That was invented 417 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: by Roberto Clementi. So you know, he wasn't gonna win 418 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: a lot of gold gloves there. So so yeah, and 419 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: in all respects, if you look at it, you've got 420 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: to say, Hank Karen is the greatest player of all time. 421 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: Our guest this Terrence Moore. He's the author of the 422 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: new book, The Real Hank Aaron, which hits UH stores 423 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: and online sales May seventeen. Um, Hank Aaron UH passed 424 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: away before Baseball was able to honor him because, you know, 425 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: in Atlanta at the All Star Game, when they moved 426 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: the All Star Game, I thought that was disappointing that 427 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: that didn't didn't happen. But with the politics and stuff 428 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: that we're going on in in in Georgia, it looked 429 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: like Baseball kind of had no choice. How disappointing was 430 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: the family just that that that didn't happen. Well, Hank 431 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: would have not one. Hank would have wanted it to happen. 432 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: He would not have won the All Star Game in 433 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: Atlanta because they mentioned the politics that involved UH and 434 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: and that we're going on at the time with a 435 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: voting and not only just a voting. You know here 436 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, you know, the Braves still do the hideous 437 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: tomahawk chop, but just totally embarrassing. But Hank didn't like 438 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, he would have been totally against that, 439 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: and Rob I would be remissive. I didn't tell you 440 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: the biggest thing, at least one of the biggest things 441 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: I've got going on in this book. I point out 442 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: in this book something that I discovered fourty years ago 443 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: when I worked for the Samson Examiner, and that is 444 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: that Major League Baseball has purposely been phasing out African Americans, 445 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: contrary to popular belief. I had proofn fourty years ago, 446 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: that's when I first met Hank Aaron, and Hankcaron believed 447 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: to the day that he died that there was a 448 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: concerted effort by Major League Baseball to get rid of 449 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: African American players. And I had to smoke a gun 450 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: back in nineteen back in nineteen forty and Ron nineteen four, 451 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: but back in two which was a scouting report that 452 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball had back then computerized scouting reports where 453 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: they regularly had race on the scouting reports, and they 454 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: couldn't explain it away. I talked to Commissioner Boy Koon 455 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: back then about it, and the bottom line was talking 456 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: to Hank Karon, other prominent black players of that day, 457 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: Joe Morgan, Frank Robinson, right on down the line, even 458 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: white players and white administrators. They all admitted that Major 459 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: League Baseball had a quota system and that the way 460 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: it was working was back in two it was eighteen 461 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: percent African Americans, and then the prediction was that by 462 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: the turn of the century that the numbers would be 463 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: switched between African American players and land players, and lo 464 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: and behold, that's where we're at. We went from eighteen 465 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: percent African Americans down the eight percent right now. And 466 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: I mentioned that because every step of the way Hank 467 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: Aaron talked about this happening, and a lot of people 468 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: weren't paying attention. Yeah, that goes back to what I 469 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: said before. Hank was way more outspoken than people given 470 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: credit for because they weren't paying attention that they didn't 471 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: they didn't want to hear what he had to say. 472 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: The only thing I'm gonna say. And and in that 473 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: and you, like you said, you you had information, But 474 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: we've also we were the number one minority back then, 475 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: and Hispanics have overtaken us uh as far as population, 476 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: so we're not the number one minority. Hispanics are at 477 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: number two. About twenty years ago, they started outsourcing the 478 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: jobs to Latin America and to these training to these 479 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: camps because they didn't want to pay American lawyers and 480 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: players bonus babies and all that other stuff. I mean 481 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: that that also has to play into well. I mean, 482 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: this would be good for another podcast, because it's a 483 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: that's more of a surface way to look at it. 484 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: The way and when I have in the book, and 485 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: that's why I encouraged me to read the book. I 486 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: got can't wait til they explained all of this, and 487 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear cut that this very much is the case. 488 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: And then you take, for instance, the fact one of 489 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: the things that was pointed out in eighty two. I 490 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: remember talking to George Foster, former Big Red Machine star 491 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: Lady to play for the New York Mets, and he 492 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: was saying an ad two that the trend was going 493 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: this way where they were phasing out Majorague Baseball the 494 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: African Americans for the Hispanic players because in the minds 495 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: of Major League Baseball people, Hispanics were easier to sign, 496 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: or that they were they were caught, they would be 497 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: cheaper and they were less trouble. And I even had 498 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: white scouts also white executive say the same thing back 499 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: in two. That was one of the reasons that we're 500 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: in the mess we're in the day. We definitely will 501 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: take up this up in another podcast after I read 502 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: your book. I'm definitely interested again. The book is called 503 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: The Real Hank Aaron Pick it Up, Wicking, Pip Pick 504 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: it Up, Terence Barnes and Noble and also Amazon on 505 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: dot com as we speak there it is The Real 506 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: hand Garon and written by Terrence More, longtime baseball writer 507 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: and again you can check him out. He's the national 508 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: sports columnist for Forbes dot Com and a visiting professor 509 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: at the Miami of Ohio. H Terrence, thanks so much 510 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: for joining us. For appreciate you. Thank you now bringing 511 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: the closer. Here's why MLB is better than the NFL 512 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: or NBA, and it isn't even close. Reason number four 513 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine why baseball is better than the 514 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: NBA and the NFL. It's because of guys like Red 515 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: Debtmer's who had a no hitter and just as eleven 516 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: start in the big leagues. The rookie left hander no 517 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: hit the the Tampa Bay Rays, an unbelievable game, a 518 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: twelve to nothing win by the twenty two year old. 519 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: And you can't when you go to a baseball game, 520 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: you never know what you're gonna see. Even as a 521 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: baseball fan. That's what's so great. A guy like this 522 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: can come out of nowhere and pitch a no hitter. 523 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: It's not like these things happen every day. And I 524 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: don't know if there's anything you can go to in 525 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: an NBA game or an NFL game and say, man, 526 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: I never saw that or I never experienced that, but 527 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: baseball you do have that, and and that's what we're 528 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: talking about, like a no hitter and going there on. 529 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: Can you imagine a Tuesday night, you know, in Anaheim, 530 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: hanging out and this twenty two year old kid pictures 531 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: a no hitter, something you'll never forget. I've been covering 532 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: baseball for thirty six years, and I don't think I've 533 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: seen more than two or three and my entire career, 534 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: that's how infrequently they happen, and that's how special they are. 535 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: In the words of New York TV legend the late 536 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: Bill Jorgensen, thanking you for your time, this time until 537 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: next time. Rob Parker out. He can't get it. This 538 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: could be an inside of Parker to see you next weekend. 539 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: Save that time, Save Matt station h